1 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Phillies Show with Ruben Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury. 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 2: I am Todd's Lucky. It is Thursday, April eighteenth, twenty 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: twenty four, gentlemen. The Phillies sweep the Colorado Rockies this 5 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: week at Citizens Bank Park. A lot of really good 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: starting pitching. I know the Rockies are not the greatest 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: offensive team or the greatest team, I should say, they 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: do have some hitters in that lineup, but really just 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: tremendous starting pitching, which is what this team has had 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: all season long. And finally we start seeing some signs 11 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: of life from the offense. They scored five plus runs 12 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: in consecutive games for the first time this season. 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber with a couple of home runs. 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: Tray Turner seems to be heating up. Bryce Harper showing 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: some flashes here and there. Rojas, we've talked so much about. 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: Rojas had a couple hits on Wednesday night. He's got 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: eight hits in his last eight games. He's hitting almost 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: three fifteen his last eight games. 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 20 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: How are you guys doing and uh Ranger Suarez maybe 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, let's talk about that performance. I thought a 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: he pitched great, of course, but man, Bryce Harper and 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: j t Rio Mutto had some great things to say 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: about him after that game on Wednesday night, Bryce saying, 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: you know this guy, if he puts it together, he's 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: gonna get paid. 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: Jt saying, if he. 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: Puts it together, I think we've got a one A, 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: one B and one C. You know, what do you 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: guys think, Ruben. 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: Well? I love Ranger. I love everything that he brings 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: to the table. I love the way he goes about 33 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 4: his business. I hear people talking the people who played 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 4: the game and how much they would love to play 35 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: behind him because he grabs it and he throws it. 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 4: I mean, he doesn't mess around. He is confident right now. 37 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously he had a full spring training to 38 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: get himself ready for the first time in his whole 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: career that he had actual full spring training to prepare himself, 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: and he prepared himself very very well. And you know, 41 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: he is one of the better left handers in baseball, 42 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: at least for me right now. He's got obviously a 43 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 4: very big mix of pitches, but the fact that he's 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: breaking ball, in particular his curveball, it's gotten better and better. 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: He worked on it in the offseason. He worked on 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: him with his throwing program. He did a lot of 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: different things to prepare himself in a way that has 48 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 4: made him come out of the gate really strong. And 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: I think that it's arguably the best, maybe the best, 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: top three starting pitchers in baseball at this very moment 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: when you start talking about Wheeler, Nola, and Suarez. Nice 52 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 4: combination of different looks and different flavors and guys who 53 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: are pounding the strike zone and eating up innings. 54 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that phrase. Pounding the strike zone. Ranger 55 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 5: does that. They're working quickly. It's a joy to watch 56 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 5: a guy like that pitch, and as you mentioned, the 57 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 5: infielders love playing behind it. I've said this before. It 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: reminds you a lot of Cliff Ley. He can bust 59 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 5: it in on your hands to set up that change 60 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 5: up away. He can spot everything is when his location 61 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 5: is on, he is dynamite and his location has been 62 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 5: on so far well through four starts. You know, he's 63 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 5: shown flashes of brilliance over the year years. It just 64 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: looks like he's poised, and keyword poised because he's such 65 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 5: a poised individual on the mound in terms of when 66 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 5: all hell's break breaking loose, he kind of calms things down, 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 5: but it seems like he's poised to do it for 68 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 5: six full months, a full season and beyond. Given the 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 5: Phillies a really rugged top three. You know, Harper mentions 70 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 5: he's going to get paid. He won't be a free 71 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 5: agent till after twenty twenty five. Who knows. The Phillies 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 5: have locked up people in the past. Maybe he's the 73 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 5: next guy, probably a little bit down the road until 74 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 5: they see a little bit more. But you know, with 75 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 5: free agency looming for him after twenty after twenty five. 76 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: Right Todd, right, correct, twenty five, So. 77 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 5: With free agency looming, and I'm not trying to get 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 5: way ahead of myself, but I am just more it's 79 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 5: just kind of highlights they need to cash in like 80 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 5: soon next year or two three, while you know, these 81 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 5: guys are still the core, guys are still producing, and 82 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 5: you possibly, you know, I could see us top notch 83 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 5: picture go to free agency. I'm not saying he's going to, 84 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 5: but you know, it all kinds of kind of adds up. 85 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 4: Hey, this Boris is agent, just like Harper. I do 86 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 4: not know that, but it sounds like he's doing a 87 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 4: little commercial. Sure, I mean, Harper has been known to 88 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 4: do a commercial or two and in his day, you know, 89 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 4: he did it for JT. He's done it, you know, 90 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: maybe a little bit for Trede Turner, you know, uh Huhrez, 91 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 4: you know, just a little commercial. 92 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: I want you guys, I want you guys to educate 93 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: me a little bit. And this is this might be 94 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: interesting for the listeners if it seems like Ranger Suarez 95 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: has so many balls hit back to him at the 96 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: mound and it must have had like three or four 97 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: on Wednesday just hit right. 98 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: Back to him. 99 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: That's how he finished the shutout. Ball hit back to 100 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: the mound. It was the most fitting thing ever, most nonchalant, accurate, 101 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: solid throw to first base. 102 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: Very very ranger. 103 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,119 Speaker 1: I look this up because I was just curious. He 104 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: has sixty assists. 105 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: As a pitcher over the last three seasons to lead 106 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: all pitchers in baseball. And I'm wondering, can you guys 107 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: explain why he get so many balls hit back to him? 108 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Is that the pitches he throws is at the locations. 109 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: Is how he keeps guys off balanced, you know, because 110 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: you don't see a lot of you know, like I said, 111 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: leads baseball over the last three years. 112 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 3: Balls hit back to the mound. 113 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe he's such a good athlete he 114 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 5: just gets more of them than other guys. You know, 115 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 5: reyal Cormier used to be very good, very good fielder. 116 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 5: Clifflee was a very good fielder. Rangers so athletic. He 117 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 5: was a hell of a soccer player. Let me, you 118 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 5: still see him kicking it around now and then. 119 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 4: So to me, it's it is a combination of the 120 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 4: fact that his mechanics are so good that he actually 121 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: is facing the batter in a athletic position when the 122 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 4: ball is struck. Many pictures and most pictures are so 123 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: maximum effort that they take them spin off. And you know, 124 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: years ago he used to be pitching. Coaches used to 125 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: tell pictures, hey, after you deliver your pitch, you know 126 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: you're a fielder. Now you're part of the fielding team. Nowadays, 127 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: they don't want the pitchers to touch the ball because 128 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: they're one they're not athletic, and two they're not even 129 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: their bodies aren't even facing home plate when they deliver 130 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: their pitches. But he is doing both both of those things. 131 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: He's athletic, he delivers the pitch, he doesn't throw maximum effort. 132 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: He's ready to field this position, and he feels it 133 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 4: flawlessly because frankly, he's got big, gigantic guts. I said 134 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 4: it guts instead of the other words. And I think 135 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: that he's you know, I love the way he goes 136 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 4: about it. He believes in himself. He's got a tremendous 137 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: amount of trust in himself and confidence. 138 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: He's very laid back. You talked about the poise. 139 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: And you know we've talked I feel like we've also 140 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 2: talked about you know, max effort. 141 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 3: Guys. 142 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: Top three guys, Rubiny said at the top here maybe 143 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 2: the best top three in baseball. All three are just pitchers. 144 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: I know Zach throws harder than the other two guys, 145 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: but guys that change speeds, locate, you know, they're not 146 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: out there just going one hundred and fifteen percent. And 147 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: it's you know, Rangers probably epitomizes, epitomizes that success that 148 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: they're having right now. 149 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 5: They've got one, two and three, you know, in reputation 150 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 5: and performance have been terrific for this team, and they've 151 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 5: gotten really nice contributions out of four and five. I 152 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 5: mean Christopher Sanchez again last night. You know, he's ninety seven, 153 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 5: he's got an outstanding change up, he's getting Chase on it, 154 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 5: he's getting swinging misses on it. I get ten strikeouts, 155 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 5: just another really two two quality starts in a row 156 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 5: from from Christopher Sanchez, who you know they got a 157 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 5: few years ago on a trade, and he just keeps 158 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 5: getting better and better. I think you could say, you know, 159 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 5: the player development folks have done a really good job 160 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 5: with him, and the pitching people at the big blue level, 161 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 5: they've done a good job with him because he keeps 162 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 5: getting better and better and he's become a mainstay on 163 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 5: this staff. And then you got Spencer Turnbull, who will 164 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 5: pitch on Friday night. You got another week team coming 165 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 5: in the Chicago White Sox, and he's opportunity knocks for 166 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 5: this team right on the schedule. But Turnbull, I see 167 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 5: his name pop up, and I think he's done a 168 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 5: very good job. What happens with when Tywan Walker comes back, 169 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 5: because now we're hearing he may be back sooner than 170 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 5: lay right. 171 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: N Yeah, So Rob Rob mentions this yesterday. 172 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: So last week in Saint Louis, before Walker started his rehab, 173 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: he says, yeah, we're probably I want to have him 174 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: get up to one hundred pitches at least before reactivate him. 175 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: So we're thinking late April, early May. And then yesterday, 176 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: after his second rehab start, we asked Rob how he's doing. 177 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: He's like, well, he feels great, and we're gonna see 178 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: what happens after his bullpen on Friday, and we're like, 179 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: what do you mean. 180 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: He's like, well, there's a chance. There's a chance he's ready. 181 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: Interesting because you go from three to four rehab starts 182 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: to maybe only two and. 183 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Had an opportunity. 184 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: Mac gelp And from the Athletic and I chatted with Taiwan. 185 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: Before the game yesterday. 186 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: Now, Taiwan's velocity has been talked about a lot since 187 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: last season. You know how it fluctuated so wildly from 188 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: start to start. That's a big reason why he didn't 189 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: pitch in the postseason because he didn't really know what 190 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: you were going to get from him. He talked all 191 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: spring about I want to get my velocity up because 192 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: that's so important to be because man, I'm throwing ninety 193 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: three to ninety four, My splitter plays that much better. 194 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: Now he threw ninety one into first rehab start forcing 195 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: fastball ninety one point one in a second. 196 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: So I asked him, Yester, I said, well. 197 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: How do you kind of come to terms with the 198 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: fact that you've talked a lot about velocity and now 199 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: you're only throwing ninety one point one? And he said, well, 200 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: it's the way it's coming out of the hand. Now 201 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: there's more movement and the more late life. You know, 202 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: my other pitches are crisper and sharper, And it's just 203 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: it's just interesting to me because there's been so much 204 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: empass on the velocity and now it sounds like they've 205 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: almost don't expect it to come back. Maybe I don't 206 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: know what to think of it, but it is interesting 207 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: because he sounds like he's going to come back next week, 208 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: and can he pitch successfully at ninety one? Maybe ninety two? 209 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: Maybe he gets a bump right when he comes back 210 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: in the big leagues. But it's going to be interesting, 211 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: And I don't know, Ken, do you guys think he 212 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: can pitch successfully at a lower velocity with the stuff 213 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: that he has. 214 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: Well, Todd, you've mentioned it before. The first three guys 215 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: in this rotation they pitched right. They pitch and it's 216 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 4: not necessarily about velocity, but their ability to change speeds 217 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: and hit their locations. And I think that that is 218 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 4: a worry and very important element of all pitching. I 219 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 4: mean in the bullpen, maybe not as much because you're 220 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: looking for strikeouts and there it's going to be a 221 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 4: much briefer stint, but particularly with starting pitching, man, it's 222 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 4: about pitching and trying to get through innings and being efficient. 223 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 4: I think there is a way and there is a 224 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: pathway for Taiwan Walker to do that. But he's going 225 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 4: to have to utilize his fastball and sinker and be 226 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: able to dot it. So when I say dot it, 227 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: that's one of the things. You know. He's always been 228 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 4: sort of durable. I mean even you even last year, 229 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 4: what do you eat at one hundred and seventy innings? 230 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 4: Undred and eighty innings? So the durability is there and 231 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: the physicality is there, but it's a matter of him 232 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: being able to stay on the mound and pitch without 233 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: utilizing up too many pitches overall. And that's command. And 234 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 4: there were times during the course of the season last 235 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: here where his command just wasn't there. Man, he can't 236 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 4: go and walk four guys and average of four walks 237 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: the game. He just can't do it. He's going to 238 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: have to keep the walks down, hopefully, keep the ball 239 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: out of the middle of the plate, and let some 240 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: of his stuff work. Now, the split he relies on 241 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: that sometimes when he's not commanding his fastball, he sometimes 242 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 4: relies on that for a strike pitch, and I don't 243 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: think he can survive doing that. He's going to have 244 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: to be able to throw his four seemer and a 245 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 4: sinker for strikes and be able to like utilize that 246 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 4: in different quadrants of his own. That will make his 247 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 4: fastball or a split finger much more effective, because then 248 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 4: you just can't sit on you know, you just can't 249 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 4: sit on one pitch. And I really, Kenneth, is there 250 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 4: a pathway from the do it? Is there a roadmap 251 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 4: for him? Yes? But he can't. He can't do it 252 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 4: if he is not throwing his his you know, four 253 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 4: seemers sinker to the right spots. Then it's going to 254 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: be an uphill battle for him. 255 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 5: I find it a little fascinating that, you know, Turnbull's 256 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 5: given him a couple of good starts one so so, 257 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 5: and he's gonna pitch again on Friday night when they 258 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: you know, after Thursday's off day against the White Sox 259 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 5: lineup he could do very well against with all the 260 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 5: injuries and whatnot. I mean, they got the three and fifteen. 261 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 5: Suppose he pitches really, really well again. And my question 262 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 5: is in you know, look, Taiwan certainly go out there 263 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 5: in Cincinnati next week, if he's back in the rotation 264 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 5: pitch well. He could reel off three good, good ones 265 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 5: in a row, and then the point is kind of moot. 266 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 5: But what happens if Taiwan struggles or maybe needs time 267 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 5: to get his legs it just doesn't pitch really well 268 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 5: out of the gate, or if these sort of unspoken 269 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 5: concerns manifest and he's not as good as people need 270 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 5: him to be all of a sudden, Now, how fast 271 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 5: do they go back to turnball. It's kind of fascinating. 272 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: Especially because Taiwan has is in the second year of 273 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: a seventy two million dollar contract. 274 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's that's right. 275 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Ruben, you can speak to that 276 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: better than anybody. I mean if you're a front office guy, 277 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: because you've already heard it, Like, how. 278 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: Can they what are they gonna do with Turnber. 279 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: What are they gonna do with turn But well, I 280 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: think the argument you can make with Turnbull is or 281 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: what they could say potentially, is if they move him 282 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: into the long man role and say, well, this is 283 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: the job that we probably had ticketed for him before 284 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: the season started. You know, he was and he was 285 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: going to be the long man before Tye went down. 286 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: They could say, listen, Spencer's only thrown. He hasn't thrown 287 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: more than sixty innings since twenty nineteen. You know, he's 288 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: been hurt a lot, pandemic. We have to manage his workload. 289 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: We heard a lot about that last season with Matt Strom. 290 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: You know, when Stroum was in the rotation to start 291 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: this season, They're like, we got to pump the bricks 292 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: in this guy. We want to keep him healthy down 293 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: the stretch so they. 294 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: Can put him in the long man role. 295 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: But you're right, Jim, It's like if he goes out 296 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: and pitches what he should do against a really bad 297 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: White Sox team and Ty struggles. But Ty's going to 298 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: get his opportunities right because he's He's make a lot 299 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: of money the. 300 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: Next few years. 301 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: He's going to get a shot. 302 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: I mean, we talk about the back of the baseball 303 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: card a lot. And here's the reality. Spencer Turnbull wise 304 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 4: turned into a couple of good starts. Let's not necessarily 305 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: annoyed him to be like the next Cy Young Award winner. 306 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: His last outing, he did he did not command a 307 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: strike zone all that. Well, He's got good stuff, and 308 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 4: I think that he can be a decent starting pitcher, 309 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: but he hasn't proven himself to be a you know, 310 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: a someone that you can count on to take the 311 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: baseball every fifth day. Now, can he be better than 312 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 4: he has been in the past? Can he Can he 313 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: get to that point? He's always had great stuff. He's 314 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 4: had a lot of injury issues, but he was assigned 315 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: to be a sort of a stopgap in case and 316 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: you know, someone who was a depth pitcher to you know, 317 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 4: in case they have a breakdown or in case exactly 318 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: what happened to Taiwan Walker. He wasn't ready to go. 319 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: So here's what I think is going to happen. I mean, 320 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 4: Spencer Turnbo can throw a one hit shutout against the 321 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 4: Chicago White Sox, a terrible, terrible hitting team, and I 322 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 4: still think at some point that Taiwan is going to 323 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 4: be sliding into that rotation and the spencer turnbo is 324 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 4: going to slide into that long man role. Now, I 325 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 4: do know Dave Dave Dombrowski well enough that if Taiwan 326 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: Walker does not in his first four, three, four, five 327 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 4: out of I don't know how long the lease is 328 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 4: going to be. If he does not throw well that 329 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 4: he that may be they may be flip flopped. David, David, 330 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 4: you know, he's not afraid to like put the best 331 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: people in their positions to succeed, and that Taiwan Walker 332 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: is not getting the job done, then he's not getting 333 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 4: a job done. And uh but but again, I mean, 334 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 4: like I said, Taiwan Walker's been there, he's done it. 335 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 4: He's had some success. He did not have a tremendous 336 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 4: year last year, but the man ate up some innings 337 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 4: now and he won a lot of baseball games, and this. 338 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 5: Is and he's earned the right to get back in 339 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 5: there with those innings. It just seems like it just 340 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 5: seems like the timetable was just inch along a little quicker, 341 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 5: and then maybe first you thought it would be and 342 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 5: it almost seems like, Okay, he's ready. Let's find out 343 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 5: because if the situation is going to come to pass 344 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 5: where they have to flip flop them. You know, why 345 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 5: not find out sooner rather than later. If Taiwan's going 346 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 5: to be the guy. And I'm not saying it's going 347 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 5: to hinge on one start in Cincinnati or one start 348 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 5: by Turnbull on Friday Night, but you know, he's healthy, 349 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 5: he's ready, got the arm strength game on. Let's figure 350 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 5: this stuff out. 351 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 4: I think it's a and I think it's a combination 352 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 4: of things because it's different in this day and age. 353 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 4: Like as an executive, I used to have the ability to, 354 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 4: like if he was on a thirty day rehab or 355 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: a twenty day rehab, to stretch him out to twenty 356 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 4: days and make a decision. Nowadays, the player can basically 357 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 4: say to you. I mean, he can say to the 358 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: front office, listen, I'm ready to go. I'm a five 359 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: year player or whatever the case may be. And I'm 360 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 4: not positive on all the rules, but there could be grievances. 361 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 4: I mean, if this guy says he's ready to go 362 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 4: and he doesn't come to the big leagues, then he 363 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 4: can you know, file a grievance against the team. You know, 364 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 4: I don't think any team wants to have that happen, 365 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: and so I think it's a combination of things. I 366 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 4: think you're right, Jim. On one hand, I think they 367 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 4: want to find out whether the guy can pitch and 368 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: then make a decision after that. But but I do 369 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 4: think that the player has a lot more He has 370 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 4: a lot more of the hammer as far as how 371 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 4: long he's supposed to stay on the on the d 372 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 4: L or the other. 373 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: That sounds like the conversation that happened on Wednesday and 374 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: Rob's office, and you know, Taiwan went and they said 375 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, and then he told us after 376 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm built up enough. 377 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: I'm built up enough. 378 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: So I mean, he's gonna throw a bullpen in session 379 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: on Friday. I don't know what could possibly come out 380 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: of that bullpen session on Friday where they go. 381 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 3: You know what, I think, we're gonna give you another 382 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: rehab start. 383 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: I mean, would you not be floored if that was 384 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: the risk that was the answer, Like, you know, we 385 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 2: decided after this bullpen session that we're going to have 386 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: him give him one more rehab start. 387 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 5: Everybody pitches a no hitter in the bullpen exactly right. 388 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: Let's think are that and he has and he has 389 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: every right to do that because how many I mean, 390 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: who maxed out in spring training over eighty pitches in 391 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: their rotation? Not one pitcher, I think the most somebody 392 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: threw with seventy eight or seventy eight nine pitches or 393 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: something like that. Was it Nola or or Wheeler. I 394 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 4: don't think they got much more than that. 395 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: And that's what Taiwan threw on Tuesday in Leehigh Valley. 396 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: I think it was seventy eight eightmen there, there you go, there, 397 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: you go see in Cincinnati, Taiwan there or whether it 398 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: might be you. 399 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 5: You mentioned earlier in the show Todd that the offense 400 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 5: turners for where you know, started to show some life 401 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 5: in that Colorado series even a little bit before that, 402 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 5: Johann Rojas. You know, just just you're seeing an uptick 403 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 5: and it's good to see. I thought one of the 404 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 5: coolest things in last night's came. So there's a hanging slider. 405 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 5: He boom off the center field wall, really used the 406 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 5: bat head, went out, got it, weighted down it, and 407 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 5: went out drove it. But I thought the coolest thing 408 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 5: of the night, and there were a lot of cool things. 409 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 5: She Schwober hit two home runs back to back with 410 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 5: Turner in the first inning. Sanchez pitch great. I thought 411 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 5: the coolest thing of the night was Johann Rojas standing 412 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 5: on second after smacking that double, and you know, the crowd, 413 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 5: which was thirty five thousand, you know, they gave him 414 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 5: a really polite, appreciative, supportive cheer, round of applots whatever 415 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 5: you want to call. It wasn't an eruption, but it 416 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: was noticeable and it was appreciative, and it sort of 417 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 5: felt like it was from the heart. It was like 418 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 5: they were they're so cute in that this is a kid, young, 419 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 5: struggling and working on stuff and he just did something 420 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 5: good and they like they had his back. I thought 421 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 5: it was a really cool moment. Did you did that 422 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 5: jump out to you at all? 423 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it totally did. 424 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, as tough as Philly fans 425 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: can be, I think they also have a lot of 426 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: self aware self awareness. And yeah, I think exactly what 427 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: you said. They they seen a guy who's been struggling, 428 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: and they see a guy who's been maybe swinging the 429 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: battle attle bit better lately, and man, if he could 430 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: get going at that bottom, you know that nine hole 431 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: now now now all that talk can go away, and 432 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: you know, now you can. 433 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 5: Call it struggling. I think they see a guy who's 434 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 5: working hard, that's not a finished product, and that it's 435 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 5: true as a young player, that is working hard to 436 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 5: fix some flaws. And I think they identify and appreciate 437 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 5: that as opposed to maybe a veteran who's just in 438 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 5: a big offer and they get on them, you know. 439 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: You know, and Jim, you and the well yeah, Ruben, 440 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: Jim was back in the at the ballpark yesterday. 441 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 4: First, I need to talk about that. 442 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, so you finally got back to the booth. 443 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 4: I was not there. You were at the ballpark with 444 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 4: all your boys and uh so many of your friends. 445 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 4: What was the reaction, Like I heard, it was pretty spectacular. 446 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 5: Well, the uh, I don't cry like you you cry 447 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 5: all the time. 448 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: I mean, are you not? I mean, do you not 449 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 4: have a heart? Are you? You know what? 450 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 5: It was nice to see Todd and the Koala and 451 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 5: Alex and Lobby and all the good people and the 452 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 5: Paul Breen, all the nice folks. 453 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 4: But it was let me ask you a question, who 454 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 4: is who who gave me the nicest hug, the nicest hug. 455 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 4: I gave you the best hug. 456 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 5: I gotta think about that, t Mac. 457 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: Maybe you know you better say that, because if you 458 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 4: didn't say that, he was gonna be awfully pissed off 459 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: of you. He gave you a nice, long, thick Was 460 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 4: it a nice long thick hug? Early? 461 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 5: It was a good hug, a little little, a little sweaty, 462 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 5: but it was good. People. 463 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: I can tell you that people were very excited to 464 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: see Jim. And what what I was thinking about this 465 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: in the drive home last night. I swear to god, Jim, 466 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 2: you had not been in the clubhouse for a while 467 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: and not been in the ballpark for a while, but 468 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: as soon as you walked in, it felt very normal. 469 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 470 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: I wasn't like, this is really weird and out of bias, 471 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: was Jim. Jim is back in the clubhouse. That's where 472 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: he should be. 473 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: But it was great. 474 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 4: There's there's a lot of people that love the man 475 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 4: and I'll embarrassed the hell out of him. He's a 476 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 4: great person. He loves baseball, he loves covering baseball, and 477 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 4: he's been doing it for a long time and in 478 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 4: a lot of ways, and it's great to have him back. 479 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, nice you to say, even though I 480 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 5: got you fired. 481 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I don't hold grudges. 482 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 5: That's the beautiful thing about it. 483 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 4: Let's go back to. 484 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, so so so Jim. 485 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: I was saying that Jim was Jim was in the 486 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: club last night and speaking of guys working hard Jim, 487 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: Trey Turner mentions, and then Kyle Schwarber talked about it 488 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: as well. How yesterday in the cage, Trey and Johann 489 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: got together and they just really talked hitting. They had 490 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: a really good conversation. Trey didn't really elaborate in terms 491 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: of what they were talking about. If it's mechanics, if 492 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: it's approach. But Joan Rojas is in that cage, and 493 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: I think it was he's either Trey or Schwarber says. 494 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: He's not doing bulkwork in the cage. He's not going 495 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: out there and just hitting five hundred balls and just 496 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: it's very concentrated, very purposeful work, very specific work. 497 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: On what he can do to get better. 498 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: But I did think that was interesting that Trey basically said, 499 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: we had a great chat before the game today on hitting, 500 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: whatever that might be, And to me, that kind of 501 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: illustrates what you said, Jim, with the fans recognizing the 502 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: hard work, they seem to be really you know, that 503 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: is real. That's not just a guy saying the hitting 504 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: coach saying, oh man, he's working really hard in the 505 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: cage every day. Example of a guy really working hard 506 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: and really caring about his craft on a day to 507 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: day basis. 508 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 5: And it was it was Schwarmer who said he noticed 509 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 5: him talking and then all three of them will go 510 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 5: out and have a great game. I mean, that's one 511 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 5: of the great things about baseball, the accomplished veteran imparting advice, wisdom, 512 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 5: help to a younger player who who really wants that 513 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 5: help and really wants to succeed. I think it's a 514 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 5: it's it's happened forever in the game. I mean, Rubens 515 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 5: had dozens of mentors when he was playing, from Charlie 516 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 5: Manuel to you know, Dave Hollins. I mean, I could 517 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 5: I probably know a whole bunch of them. But uh, 518 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 5: when a young when when a veteran who's got a 519 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 5: you know, a batting title and a World Series ring 520 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: and takes the time to you know, help a young kid, 521 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 5: it's it's going to mean a lot to the young kid. 522 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 4: Right it is. I will tell you I've been in 523 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 4: clubhouses since I was a tyke, and I will tell 524 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 4: you that there's nothing more impactful than not necessarily doesn't 525 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 4: have to necessarily be your coach or your manager. There's 526 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 4: nothing more impactful than some advice and some help from 527 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 4: your teaming It is invaluable. And the fact that these 528 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 4: guys are working with each other and talking with each other, 529 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 4: that's the beauty of this ball club that I really 530 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 4: really like, because when you have that sort of communication 531 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: and you have that, then then you know everybody cares 532 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 4: about each other. They're trying, they're literally working on the 533 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: goal together to be the best versions of themselves. And 534 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 4: when you have that sort of I don't know that 535 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: that spree de corps, whatever you want to call it, 536 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 4: that is so impactful to the team as a group. 537 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 4: And that's one of the beauties. And one of the 538 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 4: reasons why I think they've connected so well with the 539 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 4: rest of the fan base is because I think that 540 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 4: people know that they're trying to do everything they can 541 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 4: to win, and it's they talk about it, but they 542 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 4: also practice it, it seems. And I will tell you 543 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 4: that I didn't I didn't know that story until just now. 544 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: But but I'm not surprised by it because of the 545 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 4: makeup of the of the players. But I'm also not 546 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 4: surprised that it had immediate impact. I mean, it had 547 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 4: immediate impact. And that's that's the most important part, because 548 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 4: now the player says to himself, holy smokes. The things 549 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: that we did to talk about, I implemented and and 550 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: look I went two for three or you know, got 551 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 4: a big base hit, or every bat was you know, 552 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: way different. 553 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 6: They're getting better and better and better. And those results. 554 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 6: You know, we're a result oriented you know, we're in 555 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 6: the result oriented industry. Those results are huge. 556 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: Johann Rojas last eight games betting three forty eight eight 557 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: for twenty three, two doubles. And here's the numbers that 558 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: I think are important to walks only one strikeout and 559 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: not a lot of walks, but only one strikeout for 560 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: guy that was swinging and missing a lot in the postseason, 561 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: so putting the ball in play, yeah. 562 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 5: Let me just say one more. 563 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 4: Let me just say one more thing about that. 564 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 5: I think the other part that. 565 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 4: Makes it a little easier for him is that people 566 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 4: aren't focusing on him as much when the other guys 567 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 4: are doing damage. And you know, when you got Schreber 568 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 4: and Harper and Turner, Turner's really swinging the bat. Well, 569 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: when you have those guys doing what they're sort of 570 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 4: supposed to be doing and what you expect them to do, 571 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 4: and then the onus and the and the pressure is 572 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 4: taken off the guy, which was sort of like the 573 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 4: plan anyway. The guy's not supposed to carry this team, right. 574 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 5: So it's a perfect lineup for to carry a guy 575 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: in the ninth spot and let him learn and blend 576 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 5: in and and be dynamic defensively. 577 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: So before we wrap this up real quick, one guy 578 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: in the lineup that's not hit, Nick Castianos. I thought 579 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: there might have been a chance that he would not 580 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: play yesterday. To give him two days you know a 581 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: lot of managers like to do that, give them the 582 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: two days off to clear their head. Sixty nine at 583 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: bats the season does not have an extra base hit, 584 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: longest streak by Phillies player to start the season since 585 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: Mickey Morindini nineteen ninety seven, seventy three at bats to 586 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: start a season without an extra base hit. Do you 587 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: give him a day off? 588 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 5: You know? 589 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: Soon? I mean, do you think it's overdue, do you 590 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: let it? 591 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: He loves to play and he wants to hit his 592 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: way out of it, but it's you know, at some 593 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: point when does the manager need to step in? 594 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 5: Well, I think they face a lefty Friday night. I'm 595 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 5: looking forward to seeing their kid, Garrett Crochet throw. I 596 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 5: watched him a little bit when he was in college 597 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 5: on TV at Tennessee. Had an injury, but he strikes 598 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 5: out a lot of guys as a big, big lefty. 599 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 5: We probably would play against a lefty, right. 600 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think, so. 601 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 5: Maybe you get him a day on the weekend. But 602 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 5: you know, Rob, Rob has enough, you know. I think 603 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 5: Rob is one of those guys who believes you don't 604 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 5: start hitting by not hitting, So by not you know 605 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 5: your way out of it. And what might be kind 606 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 5: of a maybe a potential saving grace of Cincinnati, a 607 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 5: place he's always been very comfortable. It's good ballpark to hit. 608 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 5: I mean, Citizens Back Park's good ball. Cincinnatis are real good. 609 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 5: He seems to getting a good vibe there. And I 610 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 5: just think Nick is like a couple of hard hit 611 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 5: doubles away from feeling confident. When he's confident, he's a 612 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 5: totally different hitter. 613 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 4: So I don't know if I agree with that. I 614 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 4: was looking at I was watching Nick. 615 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 7: On TV yesterday because I did not go to the game, 616 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 7: and I was watching him on TV, and it was 617 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 7: an interesting thing that I saw, like his sort of 618 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 7: setup right now, and mechanically he does not is set up. 619 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 8: He's so turned his right almost you know, his right 620 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 8: buttocks buttock is almost facing the he's so turned before 621 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 8: he's so he has to rotate all. 622 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 4: The way around, you know, his lower half to get 623 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 4: to the space. And I just don't know, I don't 624 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 4: see him being nearly as direct with his path. It's 625 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 4: very rotational as opposed to linear. So the difficulties so 626 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 4: then like when he has to make contact. I've studied 627 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: hitting for years and years and years, and I really 628 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 4: took a pride in studying hitting, and I just think 629 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 4: that you have to be a little bit more linear 630 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 4: in that your bad head has to go out, not 631 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 4: around or across, because then you will not Your margin 632 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 4: for error is way way greater when you're more direct 633 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 4: with your swing than when you're around, because then you 634 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 4: have to hit the baseball right on point, at the 635 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 4: exact point every single time instead of being more linear 636 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 4: with your path. And I just think it just seems 637 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 4: like he's got a long way to go in his rotation. 638 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 4: And it's hard for me to show that to be 639 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: able to make consistent hard contact. And I would have 640 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 4: to go back and study all of this a lot 641 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 4: of the film and stuff like that, But I don't 642 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 4: ever remember him setting up with his literally whole lower 643 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 4: half turned to the start. 644 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 5: Is that because he's trying to hit the ball the 645 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 5: other way? 646 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: It may be because he's trying to he's trying to 647 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 4: he may be trying to force himself to go you 648 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 4: know that way right center, And I think, but I 649 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 4: think it might be counterintuitive for him because or counterproductive 650 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 4: because he's still he has to rotate a long his 651 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 4: body has to rotate a long way to get to that, 652 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 4: So you have to cheat to get there. If it's throwing, 653 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 4: throwing really hard, so you have to start rotating really early, 654 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 4: as opposed to being more He's it seems just like 655 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 4: a pitcher is going east west. You'd like to see 656 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 4: him go more north south. I don't know. 657 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: Well, you're right, you're right, you're right, Chim. 658 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 3: He probably will play tomorrow night against the lefty. 659 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 5: I'm guessing, right, yeah right, I mean. 660 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 3: Yeah he is. He's good. He's been pretty good. 661 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: He's been like maybe the only only bright spot on 662 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: the White Sox this year. This is a really bad team, guys, 663 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: I mean they I gotta so I looked this up 664 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 2: because I was like, how bad is this team offensive? 665 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: They have scored thirty eight runs? Are thirty eight runs 666 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 2: in eighteen games. There's only been twelve other teams in 667 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 2: baseball history have scored fewer than thirty eight, thirty eight 668 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: or fewer runs in their first eighteen games. That's I mean, 669 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 2: that's just this is a historically bad start by a team. 670 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: So you know, I everybody is. 671 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 2: A big leader that puts on a big lead uniform, 672 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 2: but you know, come on, this is uh this a 673 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: team that they should be. So you got get Crochet 674 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: versus Turnbull on Friday, Michael Soroka versus Zach Wheeler on Saturday, 675 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 2: and Nick Nestrini versus Aaron Nola on Sunday. 676 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: So there's three and fifteen. 677 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 5: The Phillies go in three games over five hundred. I mean, 678 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 5: just point this out because there was so much talk 679 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 5: about oh, slow start, slow start, slow start again, three 680 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 5: over five hundred. Last year, they didn't get to three 681 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 5: over three over five hundred until June seventeenth, so they're 682 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 5: there two months beforehand. Now you got to maintain, you 683 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 5: got to stay there, you got to build on it. 684 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 5: But it sort of puts that slow start in perspective. 685 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 5: It's not as bad as it might have looked. 686 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, they got they got a chance to make them. 687 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 4: Hey man, make that pay. Yeah. Very rarely do you 688 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 4: actually like sweep a team. It's hard to sweep and 689 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 4: you're you know, it's hard to sweep a team. This 690 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 4: sounds weird. It's hard to sweep a team you're supposed 691 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 4: to sweep. But they did it, and that's big. And 692 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 4: not every game was smooth, but it was pretty darn good. 693 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: Right Well, Jim, you missed Ruben the other day. Gave 694 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: a nice chat to the Pioneers and Pinstripes event on 695 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 2: Monday at Jackie Robinson Day. Ruben, it was you spoke 696 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: very well of your dad, obviously, and it was a 697 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 2: great speech. But it did crack me up because before that, Jim, 698 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: you weren't there. But so they had a bunch of 699 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: people talk and the daughter of John Irvin Kennedy, the 700 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: first black player to play for the Phillies. Phillies last 701 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 2: team in the National League to integrate. 702 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 3: He was the first player. 703 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: His daughter comes up and she goes, I wrote a 704 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 2: poem about my dad. This is what I want to 705 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 2: say about my dad. She gives this great poem. 706 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: My, mister baseball, my dad. 707 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 2: She's bawling by the end of it. Her family's in 708 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 2: the crowd. They're crying the poem. Men's people stand up, 709 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 2: They're giving her a round of applause, and Tom's going 710 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 2: to Tom McCarthy's m seeing it, He's like, unbelievable speech. 711 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: Just I'm I mean, this is unbelievable. And now Ruben 712 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: Tomorrow Junior is gonna stay. I mean, and you were like, 713 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: I gotta follow this lady. 714 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 5: This is insane. 715 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: But you did a great job. You did a great job. 716 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 4: So even even John Middleton turns over to me because 717 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 4: I was sitting right next to him. John Millons, well, well, 718 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 4: poor the poor guy who's got to go next. 719 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 5: I said, yeah, John, that's me. 720 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 4: And so, uh, it was a great day. The Pioneers 721 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 4: and Pinstripes display that the Phillies put together on Jackie 722 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 4: Robinson Day was tremendous. It was spectacular. It was a 723 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 4: great honor for the players of color who have sort 724 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 4: of been pioneered, you know, their their folks here in Philadelphia, 725 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 4: and the way they've honored him was a beautiful mural. 726 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 4: They're gonna do more. I talked to John Middleton about it. 727 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 4: They're going to add to the display it's up in 728 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 4: the Hall Hall of Fame, and John Middleton spoke really 729 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 4: well about how fitting it was to have all of 730 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 4: these folks honored in the Hall of Fame because it's 731 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 4: part of the real fabric and history of the Philadelphia Phillies. 732 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 4: So really cool, great day. 733 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 5: After the game last night, I went outside behind the 734 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 5: press box and I looked at it. It was great. 735 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 5: I just I was mesmerized by I really pored over 736 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 5: every name and face and all the copy and Senior 737 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 5: Dad's picture and yeah, it was really neat, really great. 738 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 5: Serge Sergier's up there. 739 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's basically there's like four people that I mean, 740 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 4: obviously there's other people involved, but it was Kenny Ayres, 741 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 4: Scott Brandreth, it was Rob Holiday, and the Christine Negli 742 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 4: were the four people in the front office. With the 743 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 4: Phillies who really made this happen, and they deserve they 744 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 4: deserve a lot of love for that. 745 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 5: Hats off to them. Congratulations. It's really spectacular. 746 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 3: It's very cool. 747 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 2: Well, guys, thanks for thanks for listening to The Philly Show. 748 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: We will be back next week after this White Sox series. 749 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: Ruben and I will both be in Cincinnati, so I'll 750 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 2: see you there. And then we got to get together, 751 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 2: guys at the ballpark and get a team photo, The 752 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: Philly Show team photo. 753 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 3: We gotta get yes yes. 754 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: So all right, guys, thanks and we'll chat next week. 755 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 5: Alrighty, Smell you later. 756 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 4: Good smiling Jim,