Speaker 1: In this podcast, we're going to talk frankly but sensitively
Speaker 1: about issues some people might find disturbing, including rape and suicide.
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Speaker 2: During the pandemic, I began this tradition of going on
Speaker 2: long walks, and going on the walk is one of
Speaker 2: the few things that will actually lower your blood pressure,
Speaker 2: and I definitely need to do that and clear my
Speaker 2: head and prepare for well, what we're about to do here.
Speaker 2: You see, I live near the famous Sunset Strip. Actually,
Speaker 2: let's walk down the strip.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: If you walk rather than drive, you get a whole
Speaker 2: different point of view. You see all these beautiful cars,
Speaker 2: pretty people. There's palm trees, glitz, and a lot of dogs.
Speaker 2: I'm walking past a bunch of billboards. Sunset Boulevard is
Speaker 2: one of the most expensive places to put a billboard.
Speaker 2: And actually where this mall is, there's a gym where
Speaker 2: all the porn stars work out. And before it was
Speaker 2: a mall, it was Schwabs where Lana Turner was discovered.
Speaker 2: Now just up the street is Laurel Canyon, where Joni Mitchell,
Speaker 2: Buffalo Springfield, the Mamas and the papas live their best life.
Speaker 2: And I'm walking near the Chateau Marmont, which is on
Speaker 2: the opposite side of the street. On this side of
Speaker 2: the street, there's just a hole in the ground. It
Speaker 2: used to be the Garden of Alla, where everyone from
Speaker 2: f Scott Fitzgerald to Frank Sinatra got their freak on
Speaker 2: the chateau, though across the street is where Lindsay Lohan
Speaker 2: racked up a forty six thousand dollars tab and where
Speaker 2: John Belushi and Helmet Newton died. And if you walk
Speaker 2: down the hill, all things just get more ordinary. One
Speaker 2: hundred year old California bungalow, it's got to love them.
Speaker 2: And they are these boxy apartment buildings that they call
Speaker 2: dingbats here mixed with new buildings that don't actually fit in.
Speaker 2: It's all, you know, typical Los Angeles, old and new,
Speaker 2: high and low. Well, I have finally reached my destination.
Speaker 2: This could be any apartment building in West Hollywood. There
Speaker 2: are actually fifteen thousand rent controled apartments in the city.
Speaker 2: But upstairs is that one apartment this street, this building,
Speaker 2: all of it unremarkable in almost every way, well unless
Speaker 2: you know what happened here. I'm standing in front of
Speaker 2: one two three four North Laurel Avenue. It is a
Speaker 2: pretty street by West Hollywood standards, But this is Hollywood. Actually,
Speaker 2: this is West Hollywood. That distinction is super important because
Speaker 2: this is a city all of its own. It's actually
Speaker 2: the largest gay city per capita in the US. Hollywood
Speaker 2: or West Hollywood, in Tinseltown, nothing is exactly as it appears.
Speaker 2: When you step behind the velvet rope and turn off
Speaker 2: the cleeg lights, you'll uncover a world that is definitely
Speaker 2: much darker. It was harrowing.
Speaker 4: It was the most disturbing facts I can remember reading
Speaker 4: in my life. I was speechless. The accounts of the
Speaker 4: victims were just truly shocking. I had never seen anything
Speaker 4: quite like this, and I don't think I ever will again.
Speaker 2: The woman you just heard, she's a federal prosecutor, And
Speaker 2: I got to tell you when a federal prosecutor shocked,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a real story. Now, what happened here
Speaker 2: at one two three four North Laurel Avenue, on this
Speaker 2: pretty West Hollywood street is more than just the story.
Speaker 2: It's as dark as you can get in a city
Speaker 2: that has a pretty dark history. But if you're gay
Speaker 2: and black like me, this is not a news story.
Speaker 2: There's been John Wayne Gacy. There was also Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 2: but in West Hollywood, we've had our own version. On
Speaker 2: the streets, they called him doctor Kravorkian. His real name
Speaker 2: is ed Buck.
Speaker 5: He seemed to have no remorse for what he was doing.
Speaker 5: He was putting people's lives in danger on a regular basis,
Speaker 5: and not just people, but specifically vulnerable communities, and just
Speaker 5: really what he was doing was pretty horrific.
Speaker 2: He would get angry, he would get nasty, he would
Speaker 2: get the violin.
Speaker 6: So this was a part of his personality.
Speaker 4: He didn't think that those were people who would be
Speaker 4: trusted and believed over him, who held himself out as
Speaker 4: this political donor and this powerful person who hung photos
Speaker 4: of himself with powerful people in his apartment where he
Speaker 4: was victimizing these people, I mean they were political figures,
Speaker 4: quite literally, lording over his victims.
Speaker 2: Those are two of the prosecutors and one of the
Speaker 2: reporters who covered the case. This story changed many of
Speaker 2: the lives of the people involved in it, but what's crazy,
Speaker 2: And to be honest, what's fucked up is just how
Speaker 2: ordinary the story of ed Buck feels. Now, what's not
Speaker 2: ordinary is how the community responded. What's not ordinary is
Speaker 2: this podcast. I'm Sinari Glinton. I'm going to be your host,
Speaker 2: me and my team of journalists, researchers and producers. We're
Speaker 2: going to walk you through a story that says Hollywood
Speaker 2: as Marilyn Monroe, John Belushi, Bill Cosby or the Sunset struggle,
Speaker 2: you see for every young starlet or celebrity or influence
Speaker 2: or a singer who comes here to make a living,
Speaker 2: there is another darker, shadowy side of this city.
Speaker 6: They said that Buck is quote a predator with no
Speaker 6: regard for human life, who gave the victims dangerously large
Speaker 6: doses of narcotics.
Speaker 2: We're going to take you inside the apartment of ed Buck.
Speaker 2: Some people have called it the gates of Hell, and
Speaker 2: we're going to try to tell the stories of why
Speaker 2: these particular black lives, the lives of Jamel Moore and
Speaker 2: Timothy Ding, why they matter. And here's the key. We're
Speaker 2: going to try to make sense of why it took
Speaker 2: so damn long to bring ed Buck to justice. Let's
Speaker 2: listen to a candlelight vigil held here on August eighteen,
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, for one of the victims, James Goodford.
Speaker 7: To cover this family, it just shouldn't have happened. My
Speaker 7: son found police reports, his be cried out to so
Speaker 7: many people in It's crazy how the whole entire situation
Speaker 7: was handled. My son's dead, and five days later the
Speaker 7: case is closed. I just want justice. That's it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The producers and I have asked ourselves a question, what
Speaker 2: does justice look like? How do you tell a story
Speaker 2: that needs to be told without causing more pain to
Speaker 2: the victims or sensationalizing the trauma of gay black men
Speaker 2: like myself. This is supposed to be a true crime podcast,
Speaker 2: but to be honest, as a black man and as
Speaker 2: a veteran of public radio, I hate true crime. And
Speaker 2: it's important that we tell you what happened. You know facts,
Speaker 2: but we're not looking to wallow and gore. And if
Speaker 2: you want to hear laughing that human tragedy, well this show,
Speaker 2: ain't it. I've spent a lifetime telling stories, mainly public
Speaker 2: radio ones. One of our favorite course products.
Speaker 1: In your Scenarios and Pierre Scenario, Glinton is in Japlin
Speaker 1: in Pira. Scenari Glinton reports from the Capital, and PR
Speaker 1: Scenario Clinton reports from Detroit.
Speaker 2: Sabrina Fulton and Tracy Martin are the parents of Trayvon Martin.
Speaker 8: Even if Scenari is the only one who's doing it
Speaker 8: like that impulse of just like I'm just gonna go
Speaker 8: for it. I'm going to say something that's ridiculous and
Speaker 8: just see if it works. I mean, you know, in
Speaker 8: the movies, that's what gets the girl in the movies,
Speaker 8: that's what makes you a hero.
Speaker 2: That last voice you heard was Ira Glass. He's the
Speaker 2: voice everyone tried to emulate when podcasts where brand spanking new,
Speaker 2: and his influence is definitely all over my work. But
Speaker 2: what's happening to black folks or gay or trans people
Speaker 2: in America and the globe? I really needed to do
Speaker 2: journalism differently. The last thing we need in this age
Speaker 2: is another polite, fucking public radio report. This is shattering
Speaker 2: the system. As Oursie Lord said, the Master's tools will
Speaker 2: never dismantle the Master's house. So we're going to do
Speaker 2: something different. The only way that I know to shatter
Speaker 2: the system is to shine a light, do the work,
Speaker 2: afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, give voice to
Speaker 2: the voiceless. We're going to look at crimes that tell
Speaker 2: a larger story, help connect the dots, give you context,
Speaker 2: and maybe together we can learn how to shatter the system.
Speaker 2: But first, how West Hollywood is really just like your
Speaker 2: hometown but not that's after a break. One of the
Speaker 2: most powerful testimonials you'll hear in this story is first
Speaker 2: person from the first victim, Jamel Moore. His diary, in
Speaker 2: many ways, is the reason this story could be told. Now.
Speaker 2: We want to bring his words to you in an
Speaker 2: audio form, so we hired an actor. Let's take a lesson.
Speaker 9: Ed Buck is the one to think. He gave me
Speaker 9: my first injection of crystal men. It was painful, but
Speaker 9: after all the troubles, I became addicted to the pain
Speaker 9: and the fantasy.
Speaker 2: It's that diary and those words that launched an investigation.
Speaker 2: That's what made us want to do shattering the system.
Speaker 2: Jamel Moore predicted his own death at the hands of
Speaker 2: a man who lived at this address one two three
Speaker 2: four North Laurel. Jamel's name, though, isn't as widely known
Speaker 2: as ay Avon Martin or George Floyd let's listen to
Speaker 2: a visual for Jamel Moore that took place near where
Speaker 2: I'm standing.
Speaker 9: Allowed them to know that God and God is still
Speaker 9: in control.
Speaker 7: You fight for the ones you love and I will
Speaker 7: not stop until I get justice. Ed Buck needs to
Speaker 7: be held to accountability for all the things that he's done.
Speaker 2: It would take the death of another black gay man,
Speaker 2: Timothy Dean, and an unlikely group of women to get justice.
Speaker 2: And as we tell that story, there's also a story
Speaker 2: here about how local government works and doesn't, how the
Speaker 2: sex apps have changed the nature of gay life, media representation,
Speaker 2: what happens or does not happen when a black person
Speaker 2: goes missing, the opioid epidemic, and so much more. Jameel
Speaker 2: Moore went to ed hooks of Turban on Rural Avenue
Speaker 2: and ed injected into it's been killed. It was really horrific.
Speaker 10: Yeah, a young man whose friends who I've talked to
Speaker 10: say there was so much more to Jamel Moore.
Speaker 2: That's Hank Scott. He is a pioneer in local journalism
Speaker 2: and for years he's one of the few people who
Speaker 2: took West Hollywood seriously. He's one of the dozens of
Speaker 2: people that we're going to interview for this series. Now,
Speaker 2: if we're going to make sense of one of the
Speaker 2: most bizarre stories in Hollywood history, we're going to have
Speaker 2: to give you context history. So we talked to a
Speaker 2: roommate of one of the victims who made us think
Speaker 2: not just about life in a neighborhood, but life in
Speaker 2: America itself.
Speaker 11: I don't want to offend anybody, but you know, in the
Speaker 11: American society it does feel there is only one god,
Speaker 11: and the only god that there is money. You know,
Speaker 11: everybody is so attached to money, and you know, especially
Speaker 11: in la you can see a lot of behavior that
Speaker 11: you know, it's like you want to hang out with
Speaker 11: people that can progress your career, that can open doors
Speaker 11: for you, that can get you to the right party.
Speaker 2: There are so many bizarre twists and connections to making
Speaker 2: the season. For example, let's listen to part of the
Speaker 2: interview that I did with Ludlow b. Query. He's a
Speaker 2: former NAACP intern. He's now a defense attorney for Ed
Speaker 2: Buck and he's the co counsul to Christopher Darden. You
Speaker 2: may remember Darden because he prosecuted O. J. Simpson for
Speaker 2: the murders of Ron Goldman. And Nicole Brown Simpson. He
Speaker 2: lost that case. I have to ask the question that
Speaker 2: I feel like the average black Angelino might say, which
Speaker 2: would probably be something like, look, Chris Darden on the
Speaker 2: wrong side yet again. I mean that is that's definitely
Speaker 2: tell me that I'm wrong there.
Speaker 3: If you look at it outside of the criminal justice
Speaker 3: sphere or the criminal justice space, then I can understand
Speaker 3: why people would say that. Yes, I mean ed Buck
Speaker 3: is ay he was doing horrible things that resulted in
Speaker 3: the deaths of two black men. He's accused of exploiting
Speaker 3: black men in particular.
Speaker 2: Exploiting black men in particular queer men. The death of
Speaker 2: these men so close to my demographic, so close to
Speaker 2: my actual home, and this all requires something different. You know.
Speaker 2: A fan wrote to me that it never occurred to
Speaker 2: him that I was gay, or for that matter, black.
Speaker 2: That idea has genuinely come to horrify me. It occurred
Speaker 2: to me that so many gay journalists sanitize gay life.
Speaker 2: I know I avoided doing gay stories, and part of
Speaker 2: this season is to tell the part of the story
Speaker 2: that we gay men leave out. I've never been into
Speaker 2: ed Buck's apartment, but I've been in apartments that are
Speaker 2: not too far off. Later in the season, we'll talk
Speaker 2: to a prosecutor who is using new tools to find
Speaker 2: the next head buck.
Speaker 12: I think it's really important not to accidentally do any
Speaker 12: blame shifting or even sound like we're doing any blame shifting.
Speaker 12: It is a great thing that we've reached a place
Speaker 12: where gay people can be crowd and can be meeting
Speaker 12: easily and online and non in secret. That is fantastic.
Speaker 12: The problem is that there are bad people out there
Speaker 12: exploiting it.
Speaker 2: The point is to expose the way that people use
Speaker 2: or abuse the system, not to select shame or blame
Speaker 2: the victims or turn anyone into a boogeyman. But we've
Speaker 2: got to spill the tea and show the part of
Speaker 2: gay life, gay black life that isn't RuPaul's drag race.
Speaker 2: There's another side to gay life that isn't singing Padam Padam.
Speaker 4: On the way to pilates, he would dangle a disition
Speaker 4: payments for people to take more drugs than they were
Speaker 4: used to, or to slam or inject drugs when they
Speaker 4: would otherwise have chosen only to smoke them. He would
Speaker 4: put them in underwear and have them pose with very
Speaker 4: specific lighting that he orchestrated in the background and take
Speaker 4: photos of them, hundreds thousands of photos of them that
Speaker 4: we found on his hard drives. It was just very specific,
Speaker 4: and if you heard it only from one person, it
Speaker 4: would be almost impossible to believe. But after the number
Speaker 4: of accounts that I heard, I could practically finish the
Speaker 4: victim's sentences because I was so attuned to this ritual.
Speaker 2: We tell the story of what it takes to bring
Speaker 2: down a wealthy, gay, white political donor, and how can
Speaker 2: black queer men find justice in Boycetown. That and a
Speaker 2: whole lot After a break, Welcome to Shattering the System.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Scenari Glinton. For years, I've walked past
Speaker 2: one two three FOURD North Laurel Avenue, our neighborhood polling
Speaker 2: place was actually across the street from this address. Apartment seventeen, though,
Speaker 2: was the home of Ed Buck. Actually, you know what
Speaker 2: names tell you a lot. Edward Bernard Peter Buck Melter.
Speaker 2: He lived here for decades, essentially from the very beginning
Speaker 2: of West Hollywood when it became a city. So what
Speaker 2: we're going to have to do for this show is
Speaker 2: kind of start at the end, because in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: ed Buck was convicted of two counts of distribution of
Speaker 2: methan fetamine resulting in death, four counts of distribution of
Speaker 2: methan fetamine, one count of maintaining a drug involved premises,
Speaker 2: and two counts of enticement to travel in interstate commerce
Speaker 2: for prostitution. He was sentenced to thirty years in a
Speaker 2: federal prison. In April of twenty twenty two, he was
Speaker 2: convicted of giving fatal doses of meth amphetamine to two
Speaker 2: gay black men. Two gay black men died in ed
Speaker 2: Buck's apartment after he injected them with meth That's the
Speaker 2: end of the story. But this podcast is about uncovering
Speaker 2: hidden systems, remembering the forgotten and the forgotten heart. And
Speaker 2: it's often too easy for the media to run with
Speaker 2: just one version of who a victim is, to forget
Speaker 2: that these people were deeply complex individuals. Let's listen to Octavia.
Speaker 2: He was Timothy Dean's roommate. Timothy died at the hands
Speaker 2: of ed Buck, but before that terrible night, he lived
Speaker 2: in an incredibly rich life.
Speaker 11: You know, I want to contribute to leaving the right
Speaker 11: memory about him, and I want to say a good
Speaker 11: memory the right memory about him. I think that this
Speaker 11: is the story of a fifty year old man that
Speaker 11: went through hell, purgatory and heaven, experienced life to the fullest,
Speaker 11: made a lot of mistakes and a lot of right choices,
Speaker 11: but always got back on his feet and try to
Speaker 11: change his future for the better.
Speaker 2: Why did it take so long for ed Buck to
Speaker 2: be arrested or tried. I'll tell you what. I'll give
Speaker 2: you a quick answer. Black bodies, actually, black queer bodies
Speaker 2: do not matter until they do. In the queer world.
Speaker 2: Black bodies are curiosities, commodities, toys, objects of hate. Did
Speaker 2: I say black bodies, I mean our bodies, my body.
Speaker 2: I am not surprised that this wasn't what the network's
Speaker 2: call breaking news. If these men were any other color,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to make a case for the national
Speaker 2: or international implications of these lives that were lost. But
Speaker 2: we will, and in the process, we'll show you the
Speaker 2: systems that fail us, all the systems that make this
Speaker 2: tragedy possible, Systems like the one run by the former
Speaker 2: LA County District Attorney Jackie Lacy. Now these are protesters
Speaker 2: demanding her ouster after she failed to prosecute at Buck.
Speaker 2: You may not have thought much about West Hollywood. After all,
Speaker 2: it's a relatively new city, carved out of the vastness
Speaker 2: of La County in nineteen eighty four by an unlikely
Speaker 2: coalition of gays, Lesbians, Russian immigrants, and rent control advocates.
Speaker 2: I've lived here for ten years. Maybe you haven't thought
Speaker 2: about it, but West Hollywood is where if you've ever
Speaker 2: thought about moving to Hollywood, the image you have in
Speaker 2: your mind, that's of West Hollywood, The Sunset Strip, the
Speaker 2: Chateau Marmont, the whiskey of Go Go. That's all considered
Speaker 2: what we lovingly call wee hoo ed Buck, or at
Speaker 2: least his story is widely known here in West Hollywood,
Speaker 2: and I just want to stop and talk to a
Speaker 2: couple of neighbors to get some impressions. Hey, do you
Speaker 2: mind if I asked your question or two? I'm a reporter.
Speaker 2: How long have you lived in West Hollywood? Twenty five years?
Speaker 2: You know, how would you describe West Hollywood to someone
Speaker 2: who has never been to Hollywood.
Speaker 10: It's very vivid, it's a lot of different it's very diversified.
Speaker 10: A lot of different people live here. Also, young people
Speaker 10: that are some what some are gay, and they used
Speaker 10: to be more gay percentage than now. Now it's very mixed.
Speaker 10: I would say it's a quiet, safe neighborhood. It's convenient.
Speaker 2: The walkability is what you're like.
Speaker 10: Yeah, oh yes, everything's walking distance.
Speaker 2: This is likely where your favorite star lived before they
Speaker 2: were famous, or lives now, or in some cases, where
Speaker 2: they were found dead. The difference between West Hollywood and
Speaker 2: the idea of West Hollywood is the dream of the
Speaker 2: thing and its reality. You know, like, literally less than
Speaker 2: one hundred yards away from here, I saw Keanu Reeves
Speaker 2: driving looking exactly like Keanu Reeves in his Porsche. My
Speaker 2: favorite one is seeing Paul McCartney driving down Fountain in
Speaker 2: an Anti Corvette, singing to himself, this is the dream
Speaker 2: of Hollywood. Tell you what. I've never reported on Hollywood,
Speaker 2: but I've always wondered what would happen if we say,
Speaker 2: took the rigor that we turned on Chicago politics and
Speaker 2: put in on Hollywood. Hollywood is this crazy thing, y'all
Speaker 2: that distracts people. The desire to be in Hollywood is
Speaker 2: what Hollywood is really about. For every Hollywood story, there's
Speaker 2: often a world that is so much darker here's ed
Speaker 2: Buck's defense attorney Ludlow query again, the La is a jungle.
Speaker 2: You got to be careful.
Speaker 3: You know, this city is very deceptive because it's beautiful,
Speaker 3: the weather's beautiful, the people are beautiful. But there is
Speaker 3: so much darkness in this city. And it's always been there.
Speaker 3: It's always been there. You got to be careful.
Speaker 2: That's what we're going to try to unpack here this season.
Speaker 2: And after a career of being polite and following the
Speaker 2: rules of journalism, we've gathered an amazing team to help
Speaker 2: me look beyond the obvious. I've always thought the way
Speaker 2: that Barack Obama must say he felt about Trayvon Martin,
Speaker 2: well that's the way I feel about these men whose
Speaker 2: lives ended in that Bucks apartment. I feel a responsibility.
Speaker 2: And most news organizations don't want to talk about sex
Speaker 2: or black men, or gay men, or about sex workers.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to the former La County District Attorney Jackie Lacy.
Speaker 6: We can't file a criminal case based on who has
Speaker 6: the loudest voice and we.
Speaker 2: Go out there and arrest him.
Speaker 6: Now, the clock starts ticking, and it wouldn't be ethical
Speaker 6: right now to arrest him until we really had the evidence.
Speaker 5: And there were thousands of videos on his computer.
Speaker 2: Ed Buck used the system because no one was supposed
Speaker 2: to believe gay black men. He counted on a lack
Speaker 2: of outrage. So what is this show? How are you
Speaker 2: going to go about this? Well, specifically, this is a
Speaker 2: story about homelessness, power, drugs, money, sex, race, sexual consent, HIV, stigma,
Speaker 2: and all of those things that came to a head
Speaker 2: in ed Buck's apartment one two three four North Laurel Avenue.
Speaker 2: Just like there's a dark underbelly of Hollywood. This is
Speaker 2: a story about two men who died tragically, but it's
Speaker 2: also a story about strength and resilience, and that's why
Speaker 2: we want to tell it. But let's be clear. The
Speaker 2: only reason we are here today, and the only reason
Speaker 2: ed Buck is finally in jail, is because one of
Speaker 2: his victims predicted his own death and wrote about it.
Speaker 2: Jamelle Moore died on a cold mattress with no one
Speaker 2: there to comfort him, and nothing I can say in
Speaker 2: this show will bring him back. However, he left the
Speaker 2: diary to tell us his story. You see, Matthew Shepherd
Speaker 2: was killed twenty five years ago this October, and the
Speaker 2: murder of a gay white man in Wyoming was covered
Speaker 2: wall the wall. They even did an HBO movie about
Speaker 2: his life in this park where I've made my way
Speaker 2: to and these bagpipes that you hear are in tribute
Speaker 2: to his memory. In many ways, Jamel Moore's words are
Speaker 2: his memorial. So in our next episode, we hear from
Speaker 2: a victim in his own words, the power of Jamel
Speaker 2: Moore's diary. That's next Week. Shattering the System is a
Speaker 2: production of Macro Studios and iHeart Podcasts. I'm Your Host
Speaker 2: Scenari Englinton. Follow me at s O N A R
Speaker 2: I one on Instagram. Our series executive producers are Charles King,
Speaker 2: Asha Corpus, Win, Royo Reccio, Jonathan Hunger, Lindsay Hoffman, and
Speaker 2: Scenari Lynton. That's Me. Our show is co written and
Speaker 2: produced by Ralph Cooper, The Iird and ben Corey Jones.
Speaker 2: Erica Rodriguez is our associate producer. Dana Conway is our
Speaker 2: archival producer, Chris Mann is our audio engineer, and Lisa
Speaker 2: Pollock is our consulting editor. Sound design and music provided
Speaker 2: by Chris Mann with pod Shaper Special thanks to Karen
Speaker 2: Griggsby Bates and Porsa, Mikas Robertson clips provided by TYT Network,
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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with they told him to
Speaker 2: go away. That's on the next shatter in the system.
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening.