1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Saadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. The Cubs 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: take the first of three against the Brewers. 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: The wind was blown out at his. 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Summer in Chicago. I think we're recording on a Wednesday. 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: I think we're going to get a rainy, cooler day 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. But but summers in full bloom here. It's 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: about to get really hot, and I think we're going 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: to see a little change with Wrigley, something that hasn't changed, 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: be just a daily occurrence now PCA making our jaws drop. 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: The defensive play first was I don't know I come to. 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: I was listening to the postgame show on Marquis. They 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: had Caleb thielbar On and he kind of just was 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: like I kind of turned around and almost expected him 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: to be there. 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: It was a ridiculous catch. 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: He should have been nowhere close to it, and he 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: almost made it look pretty simple. And he does that 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: so so often. And then he hits a four hundred 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: and fifty two bomb off the scoreboard and right field 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: that just every single time he's it's become it was 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: already to this point, but you can't you can't turn 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: away if he's coming up, or like just the fact 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: that if he's out there playing defense, you may miss 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: something if you walk away from your TV screen or 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: get up to get a beer at the ballpark. 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: Whatever. 29 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I started typing, you know it was 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: in you know, the catch in left center field, and 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: then I kind of like readjusted my eyes like that 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: was totally left field. I think Boo called it, you know, 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: straightaway left field, like it was, yeah, sort of like 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: no business being there, or. 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: An average center fielder wouldn't get there. 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: And that was one of those where you saw it 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: over the weekend where Pete was making difficult plays look 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: sort of easy just because of his ins and his 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: bursts that he was just getting there and kind of 40 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: catching it in stride. And I think we've seen this 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: before sometimes the center fielders that make these sliding plays 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: and they it looks good in the ten second clip, 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: but really that could also be a product of a 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: bad read or a bad jump, or you know, maybe 45 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: a slower sort of sprint speed and he was just 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: there and yeah, I mean, we cover the Cubs, but 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: there are days where it feels like, you know, you 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: could write a Pete crow Armstrong headline every single day. 49 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it's like what Hobby was during that twenty 50 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: sixteen playoff run. I mean we're not quite at the 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: I mean, did the Washington Post when Michael Jordan played 52 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: with the Wizards just have a. 53 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: Guy who covered Michael. 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: I don't think our editors are quite there yet with Pete, 55 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: but no doubt, like, as long as there are still 56 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: outs left in the game, Pete krow Armstrong might do 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: something just absolute spectacular. 58 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: So we knew the baseline because of the defense. We 59 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: knew that there was a baseline here that he could 60 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: He was going to be valuable because he could play 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: center plus plus center field defense. I think sometimes, at 62 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: least for me covering the Cubs. 63 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: Uh, we there was a lot of hype. 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: Around Albert el Morris defense and Albert el Moore is 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: and it wasn't a bad defender. Uh, he just wasn't 66 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: this elite defensive center fielder that kind of he was 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: billed to be. And I remember talking to a scout 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: that uh was part of drafting him, and he said 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: there's a lesson in there. You know, maybe I think 70 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: we all can take take away like you need you 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: need plus speed to be. 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: A great center fielder. He has it all. 73 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: He has that plus speed, but he has these we 74 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: can measure now right there, there's uh, there's stat cast 75 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: has these measurements of jump and things like that. 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: He has elite instincts. 77 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: He gets this crazy jump to be able to go 78 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: into left field and make a crazy catch. 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: I think I think because I thought we all. 80 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: Assumed we had this like baseline for defense, sometimes I didn't. 81 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: I didn't fully understand how good it was going to be. 82 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: And then watching it daily, seeing the jumps he gets, 83 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: seeing the catches he make makes look routine, it's kind 84 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: of mind blowing. And it's you know, even Council said 85 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: before yesterday's game that you know, it's the best he's 86 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: seen that he's been a manager for defensively. That's I mean, 87 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: this is a guy that's been in baseball since then, 88 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, early nineties, so I mean that's high praise. 89 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: And what he's doing offensively is just, you know, it 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: is the ceiling kind of that we talked about. I 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: remember talking to guys in spring training, Like, what can 92 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: he be? They were all, like a lot of them 93 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: were like, he can be. 94 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: We know, we can be insanely special, but just let 95 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: him play, Like, let's not put too much pressure on 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: this situation. Even if he's good defensively, it'll be great 97 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: for us. But he's he's doing it all and it's 98 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: like the pressure is nothing for him. 99 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: It seems like it seems like he enjoys it. 100 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 4: It's unbelieva. 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it seemed like a guy who said, hey, 102 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: maybe could run into twenty homers at some point in 103 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: a season, maybe in a couple of years, and he's 104 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: got almost twenty and it's we're not even at the 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: halfway point yet. 106 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: I guess. 107 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: The one piece of news that came out of yesterday 108 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: or a piece of news regarding Pete was his lack 109 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: of interest in participating in the home run derby. If asked, 110 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: he's not really inclined to do that, he said, it's different, 111 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: you know, performing at game speed in the shorter bursts 112 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: versus putting on a show in batting practice. He said 113 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: it was like I don't got pop like that or 114 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 3: something like that, or you know, BP pop is one 115 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: thing so that is kind of where his mindset is that. 116 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's not maybe set in stone. 117 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: I still think people would want to see him in it. 118 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: I'm sure does ESPN still brought out you know, ESPN 119 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: wants a minute major League Baseball. 120 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 4: I'm sure would love a minute. But at this point 121 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: he is a no but not yet asked. 122 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 3: And you're looking at the National League ballot update that 123 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: just came out on Monday. I mean, he cleared a 124 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: million votes, the leading vote get her among outfielders, and 125 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: you know, Kyle Tucker's the next closest outfielder and he 126 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: got a little over seven hundred thousand votes thus far. 127 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: So just I mean, it really shows you how people 128 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: how he's captured people's imagination. 129 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the voting, the also game, all 130 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: that stuff is fun. I don't think it's the biggest deal. 131 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: What I do think is important is the Cubs are 132 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: back on the map. 133 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: There. 134 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't relevant in these voting, in the voting 135 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: for years. Shoda made it, but I mean they just 136 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: weren't a big talk about that. There was just no 137 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: reason to talk about the All Star Game in the Cups. 138 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: It just wasn't going to be that much relevancy for 139 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: four years now, I mean more than that, because I mean, 140 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't even remember did anyone Did anyone make it 141 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: from that group in twenty one they were they were 142 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: struggling in twenty one, I'm not sure if anyone made it. 143 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: So it's a it's just a different feeling. It's a 144 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: different I think it matters in that sense, in the 145 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: sense that, hey, the Cubs are back on the map. 146 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Peter Armstrong is emerging, as you know with Shoho Tani 147 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: and Aaron Judge. Maybe not the face but a face MLB, 148 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: and that's that's huge. 149 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: That's that they've been. 150 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: Looking for that and you thought adding Kyle Tucker is, hey, 151 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: here's a super star ideally to you know, really blow 152 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: past expectations. Someone outperforms, uh, you know, with projections, and 153 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: that's that's. 154 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: What PCA is doing right now. It's extremely fun to 155 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: cover and the energy that he provides at the ballpark 156 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: is undeniable. Uh you know, PCA m VP chants, those 157 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: are that's fun. That's fun to see and I you know, 158 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: I think the team enjoys it. And he's he's kind 159 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: of an easy guy to root for. 160 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: He fun to watch, easy to talk to, says the 161 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: right things, gives you a good headline with it. What 162 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: he says, he's happy to talk to us. So it's 163 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of the full package right now. 164 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: That's a great point about putting this team back on 165 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: the map, because I don't remember a recent All Star 166 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 3: game it was all about, you know, will Wilson Contreras 167 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: get traded before then, or you know, even even Ian 168 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 3: Happ was kind of sort of in the same boat there. 169 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: And now you have legitimately one of the most exciting 170 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: players in baseball wearing a Cubs uniform, very proudly representing Chicago. 171 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: You know where his dad, you know, grew up in. 172 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: I mean, Naperville's not Chicago. I know there's probably like 173 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: an obvious shirt about that. But someone who grew up 174 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: with I mean with you know, the framed Anthony Rizzo's 175 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated cover of him catching that last out after 176 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: Game seven of twenty sixteen World Series, just someone who 177 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: gets it always delivers those like Marquee friendly sound bites 178 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: about how you know it's different here, the fans are 179 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 3: the best, Like the energy is amazing, but at the 180 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: same time, to your point, it's also very humble, very 181 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: eager to deflect credit to others. 182 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: To you know, say, the main thing is winning here. 183 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: That's you know, in that you know. 184 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: I'm a part of a bigger puzzle, crediting coaches, veteran teammates, 185 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: Craig Council. Really just kind of watching the way he's 186 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: handled himself, particular considering how just rushed and overwhelmed he 187 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: seemed as a September call up in twenty twenty three, 188 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: and how lost he looked at times last year at 189 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: the plate. 190 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: It's just been a jaw dropping evolution for Peeko Armstrong. 191 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, been really fun to cover, and 192 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to slow down. It just 193 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like every single time I think there's a 194 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: little dip in performance, he does what he did, you 195 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: know last night. 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He 225 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: didn't make his imprint last year eighty three wins after 226 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: David Ross accomplished the same feat the year before. You 227 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: can't say that anymore. You cannot say that Craig Counsel 228 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: isn't making a difference. Impossible to know how much of 229 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: a difference. We can't measure these things as far as 230 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: a manager's value. It's really hard to understand it, I think, 231 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: but it seems obvious to anyone that's around that team 232 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: that he's making a difference this year. 233 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, separating out parceling out the blame or the credit, 234 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: you know, is always really difficult with an operation as 235 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: complicated as a Major League Baseball franchise. And you know, 236 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: it's not that Counsel did a bad job last year. 237 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: It was just that David Ross brought the Cubs competence, respectability, 238 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: likability in the clubhouse. You know, he represented this link 239 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: to their only World Series champion since nineteen eight. And 240 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 3: so when you get rid of a guy like that 241 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: and hire a guy away from your rivals, you think 242 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: there's gonna be more there there from the start. And 243 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: the Brewers did not look like they missed Craig Counsel 244 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 3: at all last year. 245 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: I mean they were sort of a wire to wire 246 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 4: type of team. And you know now. 247 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: That Council has had a year to sort of observe 248 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 3: he's brought in. It didn't entirely change the staff, but 249 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: he made a few few small changes, and obviously the 250 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: big move was for Kyle Tucker. I mean that is 251 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: what I think we all think really turbo charged this 252 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: team in a lot of different ways. But it's hard 253 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: to look at Pete crow Armstrong's development and think Council 254 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with that because he was the 255 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 3: one who told him last year, look, just go play 256 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: great defense, run the bases, and don't worry about your 257 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: offense at all. Like his patients, I think really helped 258 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: in this process. The Cubs have a six and a 259 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: half game lead in the division while they're opening. The 260 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: rotation is in absolute tatters, the record in one run games, 261 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: the way they're stealing bases, the bullpen, which you've written 262 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: about at length, like, yeah, he can manage a bullpen 263 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: that doesn't have Devin Williams or Josh Hater at the 264 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: back end, and I think it's just you were actually 265 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: the one who really pointed this out to me. Sahadev 266 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: of like council has a ton of feel that. Yes, 267 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: he fluent in all the numbers, he's always talking to 268 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: the front office, but there is just a something about 269 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: being around the part of a team, being in the 270 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: clubhouse that Council just loves. 271 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: I think you see it every day you're at the 272 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 4: ballpark too. 273 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's little things, right. He made 274 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: changes to the dugout because he wanted he thought it 275 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: would like bring like keep the team closer together, like physically, 276 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: like they're they're around each other more, they're able to 277 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: like intermingle easier. 278 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: Uh he he. 279 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: Says things that are just uh, this is not this 280 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with data, It has nothing to 281 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: do with things you can measure. But he talks about 282 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: and they're simple things that I think if you're around baseball, 283 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: you know and you understand. 284 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: But they're good. They're good messages. 285 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: Like the other day he was talking about how you know, 286 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: you have to just focus on that day, although if 287 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: you if you're focusing on last night, what happened last night, 288 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: or you're thinking about the next day, like today's going 289 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: to eat you alive. And it's just such a simple 290 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: message that I think baseball players need to hear. 291 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. 292 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: They have all these so many of them have like 293 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, mental coaches or whatever it is, or people 294 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: that like talk them through things, and they need like 295 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: mantras to get. 296 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: Through the day. 297 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: Council has all that stuff, but he doesn't seem like 298 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: that type of guy at first blush, but he totally 299 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: believes all that stuff. 300 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: He goes by his gut, He trusts things. What was 301 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: it that he said yesterday? 302 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: He had a teammate who said, the most important game 303 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: is today, the biggest game of the year, biggest game 304 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: of the year, said it every every game, before every game, 305 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: and that's and that's kind of like how Counseol looks 306 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: at it. It absolutely is they just got to focus 307 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: on today because this is all that matters. And these 308 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: are things that you don't you don't get from. 309 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: Most people in baseball anymore. 310 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Don't think like, at least the forward thinking that what 311 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: you think is the prototype of the modern day manager. 312 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: You would think that these aren't aren't part of their 313 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: their toolkit. But that's absolutely not the case with Counsel. 314 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 7: Uh. 315 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: He's able to kind of meld it all together. And 316 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: he's not we were just talking about PC A PCAs 317 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: he is going to create headlines all the time that 318 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: Council isn't like this exciting, over the top personality. He'll 319 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: give you great quotes, he's very straightforward. He's he's cerebral. 320 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: He'll give you intelligent analysis, but he's also like not 321 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: looking to do that. 322 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: It's just who he is. And sometimes he'll be super 323 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: dry and. 324 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: Just give you a no, or you know, he'll he'll 325 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: understand the question, but also not want to play the 326 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: game and just and just go give you a It's like, no, 327 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that one. 328 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're looking for. 329 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: You're trying to create some narrative here, and I'm doing 330 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: this instead saying no, and yeah. 331 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. You know, he does it to all 332 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: of us. 333 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: It's not just like he's He did it to me 334 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: recently when I asked about what something about I can't 335 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: even remember. 336 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: What I was asking about. Oh, like, what can you 337 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: take away from from playing Aces? When you when you 338 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: face aces or like, what's the success beyond winning and 339 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: he's like nothing. He's like, you win. You've got to 340 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: win winnings, all that matters. And I appreciated that. That's 341 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: how he's very straightforward. 342 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: There's a simplicity in the way he communicates that I 343 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: think cuts through a lot of the clutter. And I 344 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: think there are different elements you can see too of 345 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 3: just how and it's this is not all him, clearly, 346 00:18:53,200 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: but comes were very aggressive in swapping out some bullpen pieces, uh, 347 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: demoting certain players to IOWA, such as Matt Shaw, who 348 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: has come back and you know, performed very well all 349 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: things considered, particularly on the defensive side. Uh, you have 350 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: relievers or out getters, I should say, who have really 351 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: bought into their roles fully. You know, Brian Presley didn't 352 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: get buried after like one of the worst innings ever. 353 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 3: I've shown a ton of trust in Daniel Polentci, and 354 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 3: I believe Polentcy has acknowledged that that it meant a 355 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: lot that he just kept running him out there even 356 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: though he uh, you know, had a bad game in 357 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: Miami or whatever it was incorporating you know, Drew Pomeranz, 358 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: who he wrote about this week UH and some of 359 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: the other sort of casts off cast offs. This schedule 360 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: was front loaded with h playoff contenders, and the Cubs 361 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: more than UH survived. They weren't complaining about traveling to Japan. 362 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: I just think. 363 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: All of it kind of goes towards the same thing 364 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: of the Cubs being a like, well run competent, you know, 365 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: little drama type of team. 366 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: When it comes to the bullpen. 367 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: I feel like you could have there's so many guys 368 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned Presley, There's so many guys you could have buried. 369 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: Caleb Thielbar had more walks than strikeouts on after his 370 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: outing against the Diamondbacks on April eighteenth, and now he's, 371 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, just a dominant lefty out of their bullpen 372 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: hasn't given up a run and earned run since April thirtieth. 373 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: I believe so what I saw. It's insane that this 374 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: bullpen is on a run. That's it's kind of like 375 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: over the top. It has you know, Chris Flexen and 376 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: Drew Pomerance aren't going to have zero raise all season, 377 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: is it? 378 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: What did I say, I said flexing? Did I say flexin? 379 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's so many sort of casts off that 380 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, flexin. 381 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: Too, Yeah yeah there, I mean field Bar to me 382 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: was someone that I was like, this isn't working, Like 383 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 1: this guy is looks like a mess. 384 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: What are they going to do? They have no lefties 385 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 2: and he's stuck with him. 386 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: He he understood. He's like he's just getting locked in. 387 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: He's he's trying to find his rhythm. He said similar 388 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: things about President. He just needs to get out there. 389 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: He needs to pitch. U don't overthink this. He's a veteran. 390 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna get right. He had that terrible It would 391 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: have been so easy to. 392 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: Dfa him or push to like I'm or just you know, 393 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: bury him. Whatever. You know. He's his last few outings. 394 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: He's starting to show more strikeouts since that San Francisco 395 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: out and he hasn't allowed to run. Uh it's wait, 396 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: did he give up a run? Maybe he gave up 397 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: a run recently. Maybe I'm wrong, but uh. 398 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: Either either way, he's been he's been brilli. 399 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm probably thinking of someone else that gave up 400 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: a run recently. 401 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: But whatever, he. 402 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 4: Might bearned run maybe something like that. 403 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he he hasn't. He hasn't. He gave up 404 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: an unearned run against Washington. That's what it was. Uh, 405 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: either way, I mean, these are it's so easy, and 406 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: I ah, it's one thing for fans to push for 407 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: this stuff. I get it. 408 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: Fans that have shorter fuses than that they have to 409 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: that it's normal or the management. Management and the manager 410 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: have to have more patience. But a certain point, even 411 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: us in the media, like is this working? Is this 412 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: gonna work? 413 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: Is this guy? 414 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 5: Like? 415 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: How do you survive with this guy on the roster? 416 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: And and he's gotten them back, He's gotten them back 417 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: to who they are. Sometimes it doesn't work out. Sometimes 418 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: it's hector nares. 419 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: Uh, that's that doesn't seem to be the case with 420 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys. Deal Bar stands out to 421 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: me just because of how bad he looked early, but 422 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: I think it applies to Pressley as well. 423 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: And then just immediately throwing due prompt drew Pomerans into 424 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: the fire. 425 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: And then him just like quickly becoming one of their 426 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: most trusted relievers. You could say he doesn't like he's 427 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: forced to do this, but I also think, you know, 428 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of his managing style, his ability to kind 429 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: of have the feel of who who to go to Yeah. 430 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 4: Look, I mean this is a. 431 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: Chunk of the baseball operations budget that's devoted towards the manager, 432 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: and so like, the Cubs should probably have more choices 433 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: than they do in terms of, you know, the players 434 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: they acquire, but the way the team has run as 435 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: Jed gets X, and it's for baseball operations and he 436 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: can do with it what he wants. And so, yeah, 437 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 3: eight million dollars this year is not a lot of 438 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: money in the grand schemes of the Wrigleyville use, but 439 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: it was a choice they made to get rid of, 440 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 3: you know, a capable, popular manager and to invest in 441 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: Craig Council to take away from a division rival as well. 442 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: And just last year the Cubs never quite got going. 443 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: They had a nice April and then just like kind 444 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: of as Jed said, took hope off the table. 445 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 4: And this is you can. 446 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: See how much Counsel is enjoying this. You know, he's 447 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: not he doesn't have a lot of catch phrases. He's not, 448 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: you know one while the cameras are rolling to smile. 449 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 3: He's got such a sneaky sense of humor that's really 450 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 3: hard to describe unless you're actually. 451 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: Talking to him. 452 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 3: But I think, you know, Cubs fans can see the 453 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 3: difference this year, and I think more of that personality 454 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 3: and care character will be revealed over the course of 455 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 3: the summer. 456 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: All right, Patrick, let's take one more break and wrap 457 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: this up with some Brewers talk. 458 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 5: It might be that time. 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I mean, 479 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: that makes sense, you know, that's it's the last time 480 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: they had a ninety. 481 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: Plus win team. 482 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: You know, it was in the heat of them, you know, 483 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: just just winning a World Series, that that World Series 484 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: core was still playing well. 485 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 2: This, you know, is. 486 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: This seems like the season headed in that direction as 487 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: far as potentially winning ninety games in a postseason. But 488 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brews are still tesky and hanging around. The 489 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals are two for some somehow. But after 490 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: last night's win, they're six and a half games up. 491 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: That's I mean, they've avoided the sweep, and the sweep 492 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: is probably the one thing, you know, you really didn't 493 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: the Brewers sweep them. They're two and a half games out. 494 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: Now. 495 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: The best they can do is is before and a 496 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: half games out. They have good pitching. They have the 497 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: pitching advantage. These next two games Wednesday, and Thursday. If 498 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: the Cubs can win this series, I think it's huge 499 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: because you were either beating their stud you know, prospect 500 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: that comes up and throws one hundred and two, or 501 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: you're beating their ace. 502 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 2: Either way you take it, and it's just the Brewers 503 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: are pesky. 504 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: But the Cubs winning that first game feels like kind 505 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: of like a swing in the in this at least 506 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: early part. It's nothing's over yet, it's still June. I 507 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: don't want to give the division to the Cubs, but 508 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: it does feel like a significant victory in that sense. 509 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the Cub's longest losing streak this year is 510 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: three games, which is of considering how the last two 511 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: seasons cratered and kind of collapsed under the weight of 512 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: you know, kind of feeling like this was, you know, 513 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: a playoff type year and just either not having the 514 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: kind of endurance or the high end talent or whatever 515 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: to kind of stop those spirals and they have. 516 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 4: You know, we're approaching the halfway point of the of 517 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 4: the year. 518 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 3: You'll get a nice look at the Cardinals in Saint 519 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 3: Louis next week, which I think, you know, four games 520 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: at Bush Stadium. 521 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: Will be telling. 522 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of fascinated to see what the Cardinals 523 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: do at the deadline. 524 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 4: And also the Brewers. 525 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: I mean, they traded a starting pitcher to the White 526 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: Sox recently, and they they operate from a different playbook 527 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: than than most teams. They're probably smarter than most teams too. 528 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, the car like, are the Cardinals going to 529 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: go for it? Are they going to just punt? Or 530 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: are they going to sort of keep this team together? 531 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: And I think it speaks to like the Cubs had 532 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: to be on top of their game in these first 533 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: couple of months, between the way, the difficult schedule, and 534 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: a division that has pushed them in a way that 535 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: you know, I didn't fully anticipate. 536 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't either. I didn't. 537 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'm I've learned my lesson with the Brewers, 538 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: so I always think they're going to be in it. 539 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: I did not think the Cardinals would be in this. 540 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: The Reds are, you know, a Terry Francona team now, 541 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: and they have a ton of talent. I expect them 542 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: to you know, I don't expect them to go away. 543 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: I know they're not. 544 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: Dominating or anything, but they've gotten better as the year 545 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: has gone on, and I don't expect them to just creter. 546 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, they've the Cubs haven't 547 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: been playing great baseball, and they've built this lead in 548 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: the division. I mean, I think I keep you know, 549 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: we hear like, oh, the offense isn't clicking whatever, you know, 550 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: they're not dominating winning teams, and then you look at 551 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: the standings and their lead continues to grow, and I 552 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: guess that's all that matters. Uh, just win the games. 553 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: Just find ways to win a couple of series here 554 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: and there. Uh, stay healthy, and and things will, things 555 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: will kind of fall into place in the end. You 556 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: don't they've had I don't you know, maybe things can collapse, 557 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: anything can happen. 558 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not ruling that out. 559 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 1: It just looks like this is a steady team that 560 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: is able to weather different challenges that pop up, whether 561 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: they're injuries, Uh, the offense going into mini funk, the 562 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: bullpen struggling to start out the season, whatever it may be. 563 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: They're they're managing to do that. The Brewers are probably 564 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: the main. 565 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: Competition here and the biggest test to their ability to 566 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, take this division over again. 567 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we always write what's in front of us, Like 568 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 3: we like, it's really not that complicated. You know, the 569 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: the coverage seems more positive when the team is winning, 570 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: and when the team is not winning, obviously there's you know, 571 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: a sort of negative slant to that. And I think 572 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: that is probably as we talk through this team and 573 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: our story ideas, like that's going to be a story 574 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: here pretty soon, you know of like how does this, 575 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 3: where does this go wrong? 576 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: How could this collapse? 577 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: Not saying that's going to happen, but there are a 578 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 3: few a few things that you can sort of point to, 579 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: whether it's that offense, where it's the state of the rotation, Bullpenser, Fickle. 580 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: Other teams can be good too, Like that'll be that'll 581 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: be definitely a component to the summer. 582 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, before we wrap this up, I think 583 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: that's and that's not you being negative. 584 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: That's how front offices think that. Yah. 585 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: Theo Epstein philosophy, what do you go wrong? And how 586 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: do I you know, how do we you know, guard 587 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: against it? 588 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 3: Uh. 589 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: When we talked to Jed in Philadelphia, he wasn't ruling 590 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: out any type of addition, and he also pointed out 591 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: you can't make you can't make those moves that you 592 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: used to be able to make in August. 593 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: So you have to kind of protect yourself. 594 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: The bullpen looks good now, who knows what it'll look 595 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: like either before the deadline or right after the deadline. 596 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: You have to guard against us. How do you do that? 597 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: That's why have it like just saying like DFA this 598 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: guy for this guy. It's not as simple as that. 599 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: The depth matters, having numbers matters. There's no area that 600 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: we can say is perfect. If they think they need 601 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: a bench bat or a supplemental bat, that they'll likely 602 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: go out and try and get that guy. I don't 603 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: think we can assume any any any unit on this 604 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: team is perfect. There's there's nothing that can't be upgraded, 605 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: and they'll look for ways to fortify it because six 606 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: and a half games right now, who knows what it 607 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: is a month from now, and they just don't want 608 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: to They don't want to have to worry about things 609 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: that they can't address in August and September. 610 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: They have to be proactive with that stuff. 611 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, We'll be back with one more episode 612 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: this week, wrap it up with the Brewers, and then 613 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: three against the Mariners. This weekend at Regally. All right, 614 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: thanks for listening everyone. 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