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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul Michigan Control deck and most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. And as you might

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Speaker 1: be able to tell, folks, we are recording live on

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Speaker 1: the road in Las Vegas. You are listening to stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, live at the iHeart

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Speaker 1: Podcast studio Howard by Bows at the House of Music

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Speaker 1: at iHeartRadio Music Festival.

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Speaker 3: You might be able to hear some bops. There might

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Speaker 3: be some mild bops in the background. It's just part

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Speaker 3: all kinds of beautiful Las Vegas. What do you call

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Speaker 3: a Los Vegan? A Las Vegan?

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Oh nice, but hebe But don't worry.

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Speaker 2: Paul Mission control decking is going to cut them lows, Yes,

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Speaker 2: all them beats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of which, could you temporarily kill your mic?

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Speaker 3: I think it's blasting us. I'm feeling blasted.

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Speaker 1: I think it might just be the music it was

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Speaker 1: off because it's you know what, all right, let's keep

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Speaker 1: the whole part of the program. So, so the way

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Speaker 1: we thinking we do this, guys we're talking about this

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Speaker 1: so many conversations we have when we're hanging out off

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Speaker 3: Uh we were.

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Speaker 1: We are recording live and as you know, folks, we

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Speaker 1: end up in some strange situations. So, uh, Matt, No,

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Speaker 1: maybe we could paint the picture here. This is not

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Speaker 3: It's like a hyper lounge situation. We're in the hyper lounge,

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Speaker 3: but it's more like a hyper cube. It it's a

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Speaker 3: little box in this pavilion. It's wonderful. It's the bows

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Speaker 3: house of music from my heart and we're having I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 3: the show's been amazing. Yeah, we've spent some time in

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Speaker 3: some places we don't typically spend time in the casino, resort,

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and it gave us the opportunity to finally

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Speaker 1: do an episode that's been on our collective mind for

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Speaker 1: some time. The stuffed casinos don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Here are the fact. Well, you know what, before we

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Speaker 1: get to hear the fact, since we're live, let's just

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Speaker 1: catch up because I think we all now have weird

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Speaker 1: Vegas stories already, just being in country for sorry, being

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Speaker 1: going by Greg mcclana. Haha, that is true.

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Speaker 3: It's a mouthful man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't choose it. What had happened was I

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Speaker 1: give you one hundred dollars voucher for the casino. I said,

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Speaker 1: The name they wrote was not what they usually call

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Speaker 3: It's a missed opportunity because it could have been Greg

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Speaker 3: But do you think he wrote that on there right

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Speaker 1: Oh, that is right, right, right, Blanche Duvois.

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Speaker 3: Blanch Dubois, exactly iconic character. But you got that hundred

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Speaker 1: Friends of the show, there's a reason that you guys

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Speaker 1: are always guys, gals and others are always telling us

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Speaker 1: Here are the facts. While everything may look glitzy and

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Speaker 3: It's interesting too, because I mean a lot of these

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Speaker 1: You know, Yes, it's both a protest against capitalism and

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Speaker 1: Litstene Noel. I played blackjack with you and Paul, and

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Speaker 1: before that, Matt, I played blackjack with you and Paul.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm the one with the problem, but we had

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a really good example of that. Actually

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're loving it. We're loving it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's really paint. There's a set of glass

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Speaker 3: We're hanging out, man. Yeah, we're vibing, is what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: We're putting on a show for the people outside the right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're And I was talking about this off air,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but every time I

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Speaker 3: It was just absurd how quickly it went, but I had.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed every second of it, weirdly, all good time.

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Speaker 1: And also think about the way we would have spent

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Speaker 1: The first casinos were in Italy in the seventeenth or

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth century, so the sixteen hundreds, and they existed

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Speaker 3: I mean, and then in these early days the model was,

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Speaker 3: And it was so that floors, the sub floors wouldn't

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Speaker 1: All of those. Yeah, yeah, and we can we can

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Speaker 1: There was another big sea change, a paradigm shift that

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Speaker 1: The reason VHS one over Beta max was due to pornography, right,

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Speaker 1: The mechanization later, the computerization at gambling meant that casino

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that gets to what we call progressive machine. That's

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Speaker 2: Just say collection, let's stop this recording, let's head back

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Speaker 1: People have tried that. It goes back to the prisoners,

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Speaker 1: Will they do what they said they will do? With hope?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So the first gambling machine, the early version of

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Speaker 3: That nineteen hundreds, like ten yeah, yeah, because I got

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Speaker 1: You trigger an RNG or random number generator. Right, that's exactly.

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Speaker 2: But but you're the physical action you need to take.

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Speaker 1: And get apps, all without leaving your casino. And that

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, well, you got to keep them strong. The

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Speaker 2: The the it's all the same thing with video games

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Speaker 1: Right because it triggers the dopamine. That's why I call

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Speaker 3: And eventually, in the situation you're talking about, Matt, you're

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Speaker 1: the same way you would pay to go to an

436
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Speaker 1: amusement park. All right, I hear there's the possibility you

437
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 1: would win a roller coaster. That's the only difference.

438
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Speaker 3: I rarely enjoyed losing my money. It was it was

439
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: like I paid for a ticket to a theme park.

440
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Speaker 3: That's I enjoyed it. I'm not mad.

441
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Speaker 1: No, I want to say I want to point out

442
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: something that a pal Paul said that really stuck with me.

443
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: We walked over to an ATM. ATMs and casinos are

444
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Speaker 1: notorious for having a high transaction fee, similar to that

445
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Speaker 1: you would see in some adult inner atainment venues. And

446
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: I've heard and so what and as shout out, Clairemont

447
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: Lounge And as Paul pointed out, we pulled he pulled

448
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: some cash from a casino ATM before we went on

449
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: our first blackjack four eight. Now, Paul is one of

450
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: the smartest guys we know, and he just shrugged and said,

451
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: with that typical Paul aplom he said, huh, look at that.

452
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: The house is already winning. Yeah, yeah, you remember that.

453
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well the whole point is okay, So where

454
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: we are located in Las Vegas, at the casino where

455
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: we happen to be staying in our own happy little

456
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: live level of situation, it would take us. We were

457
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: trying to calculate how long it would take for us

458
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Speaker 2: to get to an ATM that is branded for just

459
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Speaker 2: a bank, right that one of us has an account

460
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Speaker 2: with versus going to one of the in house ATMs

461
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Speaker 2: which are going to charge.

462
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Speaker 3: I think it was tenne idea. It was literally nine ninety,

463
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: which is its own kind of weaponized psychology. Of course,

464
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: you know it's.

465
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Speaker 1: A deal because you read the first number.

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Speaker 2: Ben, But what did you put it? Really?

467
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: Well?

468
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: Ben, it was something like they immediately win before you've

469
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Speaker 2: even played.

470
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I mean, and that's and that's part

471
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: of the great game, right, different great game, the casino

472
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: great game. Like when we look around the floor and

473
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about this, we learn a little bit

474
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: more about the surveillance, the psychology, the matho play. When

475
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: you're paying attention, we notice every possible variable that could

476
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: result in us spending some cash has been accounted for

477
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: and if possible, wherever possible, whenever possible, it has been optimized.

478
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: And maybe we talk about the gaming floor itself, like

479
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: we've been well.

480
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Speaker 3: Remember that guy, Benny, Ben and I mentioned ago the carpet, right, Yeah,

481
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: it's like a big part of the feature or a

482
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Speaker 3: bug depending on where you stand.

483
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: Depending on the cleanliness.

484
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 3: Well that's exactly right. But what you'll notice in any

485
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: of these casinos, as one usually in the gaming areas,

486
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: low ceilings, all these weird, low hanging bizarrow chandelier things to.

487
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Feel more intimate, as Bill Friedman.

488
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: Low light but not too low. Music that you can

489
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: tap your toe to but isn't distracting. It's weirdly ambient feeling.

490
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: And that carpet weird psychedelic patterns that kind of are

491
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: almost painful to look at for too long, which keeps

492
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: your eyes squarely planted on the game.

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00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: Man, I want to play in a casino that just

494
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: has Tom Waits on the soundtrack. They're in Old Vegas.

495
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: If they do, maybe they're nugget it's got it.

496
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Speaker 3: That's more like a Texas roadhouse. Manon't get that.

497
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll make our own.

498
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: Can I get one that's all prodigy?

499
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: Of course you can.

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Speaker 3: That's a little I don't think the house is gonna

501
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: like that very much.

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Speaker 1: What do you say? Do you beat me here, Paul?

503
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: Do you say smacked my chup instead of hit me?

504
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: What?

505
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Speaker 3: No?

506
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: I was talking about? I want to I want to

507
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Speaker 2: start fires.

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Speaker 4: They're both great songs, they're both songs of their time,

509
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: but the thing is just like the grocery store thing,

510
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: just like the cruise ship, just like the Live Laugh.

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Speaker 1: Love, you know, mixed use apartment complex places. The research

512
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: that went into these is amazing, you know, the restaurants,

513
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: the theatrical venues. We walked here. This part of Vegas

514
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: is very much a walkable city, right, there's that.

515
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And but also like Vegas in general, it's

516
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 3: not walkable at all. And to your point about like

517
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: getting caught in these labyrinths, you might look on a

518
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: map and be like, this place I want to go

519
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 3: to is like right over there, it's across the street.

520
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 3: But then you go and realize the reality of it

521
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: is you'd have to like it's like walking into the sea.

522
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Speaker 3: It's as well, you know, it's a.

523
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Speaker 1: Family Circus map, you guys, remember Family start.

524
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: That's right, exactly like a Looney Tunes overview when like

525
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: Bugs is running, you know, he's like digging his tunnels

526
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: to Albuquerque or whatever. It's crazy. I had a map

527
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: it said there was a walkings giving me the dotted line.

528
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: I get to a place where it's like there is

529
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Speaker 3: a high way here, and I cannot. It's like when

530
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: Michael Scott drives his car to the lake. It was

531
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: like that, but there was nowhere for me to go,

532
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: so I just I'm not gonna eat here. I'm going elsewhere.

533
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: And this goes back to all of this design, these

534
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: securitiest roots especially, and these low ceilings. Uh and these

535
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: semile lights.

536
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: The carpets, they all come from h.

537
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: A guy named Bill Friedman. Uh he is also he

538
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: was what he did change the game of human psychology

539
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: and consumer psychology so much that grocery stores started looking

540
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: at designing their their layouts like casinos.

541
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: Amazing. Ben Is he one of these guys that just

542
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 3: did this research and then people co opted it to

543
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: do these evil things? Or was he mega into this

544
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: road star book?

545
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: Right? And and he was a he just gambled all

546
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: the Shifa.

547
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah he was. He was definitely a.

548
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: Ricked himself.

549
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: Then No, he went around to all the casinos and

550
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: he literally looked at individual sections.

551
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, subtit exactly. I'm doing research.

552
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: I got to sit in this particular.

553
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm writing a novel about someone addicted to dr I've.

554
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: Been wearing the same pair of socks for five years

555
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: because I'm researching the socks. It's my lucky socks.

556
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: But he came up with some pretty interesting stuff that

557
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: then casinos, after upon reading his book and getting the insights,

558
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: were like, oh well, let's at least test some of

559
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: this out, and they found success.

560
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that was my question. Though he wasn't

561
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 3: necessarily consulting for the casinos, he was just interesting. This

562
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: is his field of interest.

563
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: He did start to consult before because the book gets

564
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: published in the late nineteen nineties, and it's what's the

565
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: book called. It's called Designing Casinos to Dominate the competition.

566
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: To dominate the competition, like in an after colon? Is

567
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: it like the subtitle?

568
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think there's a colon there.

569
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: I would have liked the spacing of it. But to

570
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: rob you, but it sounds very like Laws of Power.

571
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, it's very sun Zoo. But like Frivolous, I.

572
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: Thought it was just a picture of Bill with a

573
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: cat of nine tails in a casino, and he was

574
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: just kind.

575
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: Of yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got a weird mascot.

576
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, makes that casino your little.

577
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Lady consensually right. But he doesn't have this chapter on

578
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: safe words. The entire book is about what you can

579
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: do to keep people in a casino and playing for

580
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: absolutely as long as possible. And his metric of success

581
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: is just the percentage of visitors who won actually gamble

582
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and then two, not just how long they stay, but

583
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: how often they re ter.

584
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: Of course, and this is in the twenties ish or

585
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: later than that, in the sixties, right.

586
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: When he's starting to think about this. Yeah, yeah, when

587
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: he publishes the book, it's the nineties only crap, that's wild,

588
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: because every for like decades I.

589
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: Could see that. So again, like you know, early casinos,

590
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: they they had their like kind of ways that were

591
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: maybe more rooted in like vaudeville, you know what I mean, Well,

592
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: you know, how to keep the butts in the seats,

593
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: old school, So they were probably some of these tricks. Again,

594
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: we're probably starting to happen, but not to this degree.

595
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: This is a sea change, all right.

596
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And let's also be honest, before financial transactions largely

597
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: moved to electronic media, is possible, well, yeah, you could

598
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: just say, oh, we made a ton off the slots

599
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: and take the money you did from your other legitimate

600
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: work and sanity say wow, this casino is cleaning it up.

601
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: Isn't it funny that we haven't even talked about the

602
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: mob That's really it's the topic of it. It's but

603
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: there's an incredible mob museum here that I think we're

604
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: all hoping to check out town. But okay, so we're

605
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: hedging around this, edging around this, if you will. But

606
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: what were We've mentioned a lot of these, but let's

607
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: hear it like in listical form, like what were his

608
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: prime movers? You know his principles here.

609
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: It was stuff like no clocks, no windows in the game.

610
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: You know, outside light, lose track of time. And you

611
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: know this mattered more when there were ubiquitous smartphones, right,

612
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: and when people were also less likely to have wrist watches.

613
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: But even if you have a wrist watch, you're going

614
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be easy to ignore, yeah, because you

615
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: can physically remove it from your site instead of like

616
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: a wall clock will always be there.

617
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: Well, in most games in a casino require one hand. Ah,

618
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: right there in your dominant hand is probably the one

619
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Speaker 2: that doesn't that doesn't have your watch on.

620
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: You notice they have buttons on both sides of all

621
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: the machines. Yeah, because you know, in the entire United States,

622
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: this is the only city I think that still lets

623
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: people smoke inside.

624
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh that's because of a tribal loophole.

625
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: That's interesting, is it really?

626
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: But it's so.

627
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: Old school and people are smoking with their left hand,

628
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: tapping with their hands and drinking in between. And because

629
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: they're just feeding you drinks. As long as you're sitting

630
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: at that machine, slamming that button, mashing that button, can

631
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: we say.

632
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: That we're at the area. Are we allowed to say that?

633
00:31:59,720 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Sure?

634
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: It seems like such a bougie casino hotel to me

635
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: when we first walked in and there was one person

636
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: smoking a cigarette immediately upon walking.

637
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Back and slapped it out of her mouth.

638
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: Well, but again, one of the principles is have gambling

639
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: equipment immediately when you watch in the casino, right, principal number.

640
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: Two immediately, no empty lobbies exactly.

641
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: And my lady is just just hitting that dart and

642
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: then and like I just went, wait.

643
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Lady, you can't do that here. They have gambling machines.

644
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: When you walk out of the plane. I don't think

645
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: the lady's smoking the airport.

646
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: I didn't at least notice any of that. But no,

647
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: it's I think it depends on how much you win

648
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: anything goes.

649
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: They want you to be as comfortable. These seats are cushy,

650
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: they feel good to sit in. All of these principles

651
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: that you're mentioning still hold true today and they've just

652
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, improved them. And for example, you

653
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: mentioned the wristwatch and stuff in the no light. But

654
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Speaker 3: also if you guys notice we have a hard time

655
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Speaker 3: reaching each other when we're in and we.

656
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Speaker 1: Get separated, I guess the signal.

657
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: The signal is bad, and it's because of all this

658
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: glass and concrete and steel everywhere. I don't know if

659
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: it's by design.

660
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: It feels like it now and everything's by design, also,

661
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: like the Labyriantine design. Even if we're on a even

662
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: if we're in a situation where we know where one

663
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: of us is saying, hey, I'm by the restroom, and

664
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Speaker 1: then another person is saying, hey, I just got off

665
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Speaker 1: the elevator.

666
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Speaker 3: Yeah, which one?

667
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

668
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Right, you have to navigate again. The correct word is labyrintine.

669
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Speaker 2: We're just to be in the moment, guys. Ben just

670
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: got a salute from an ar carrying law enforcement officer

671
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: and it weird me out a little bit.

672
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Speaker 3: You're good, sinister, or thank you for your podcast service.

673
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Just hanging out.

674
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Speaker 3: That's nice, that's nice.

675
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Speaker 1: It's good.

676
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: God, he's got our best. But you know, one the

677
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: reason I mentioned the cell phone thing only because you

678
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: know it's someone and let's say you did have a

679
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: horrible gambling problem. You're going to get to really hard

680
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: for someone to call you and tell you, hey, please

681
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: go where are you?

682
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: It's your birthday?

683
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: Why aren't you coming home? Dad?

684
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: You know?

685
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we need were talking about on the ATM.

686
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: Before you pull money out. It has the whole warning

687
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: thing like, hey, if you've got a gambling problem, call

688
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: this number. Okay, go ahead and put your thing in

689
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: so you can get more money. Oh also you can

690
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: take a line of credit out if you want. Go ahead.

691
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: But hey, also, yeah, here's the least interesting flyer in

692
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: the city, right next to the eighteen.

693
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: It's in comic sands.

694
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Speaker 2: Immediate serious though, it really does flash up a warning

695
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: about gambling. Of course, it allows you to take money out.

696
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: That's the law, and that's like many laws. It is

697
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: not I think it's the law.

698
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: It could just be Okay, you're right.

699
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: I think you are correct. It's also not not particularly

700
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: helpful for anybody who has struggled with addiction. You know

701
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: that a pamphlet is not going to especially if you're

702
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: in the grips of a period of usage. It's not

703
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: going to change what's happening with you. Also, we're familiar

704
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of the basic nudgees. You know, we

705
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: don't have to go through all the principles of design,

706
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: but we should mention the emphasis. The Freedman philosophy, the

707
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: game design and philosophy, says you don't need the accoutrement,

708
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: you don't need the fun things. You need the low

709
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: ce elites to make it feel intimate, and you need

710
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: the games, the slots especially to be the main draw.

711
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: That's why they are.

712
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 3: Almost yeah, draw like a moth to it.

713
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: And and they're loud, and they're insistent, and they're always

714
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: They're primarily going to be by heavily trafficked areas. You

715
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: literally cannot avoid the slots as a person who who

716
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: goes to a casino and stays at night.

717
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: What was theo that started out with a yellow brick

718
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: road because it was based.

719
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Speaker 3: That was the MGM Grand and the building is still

720
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: green ish. I think it's called something else down I

721
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: can't remember the original mg in the part GYM or something. No,

722
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Speaker 3: it's not even I don't think it's even an MGM property.

723
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: I think another hotel did whatever bought it. But yeah,

724
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: remember let's think about this like MGM, Metro Goldwen mayor

725
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: the film company they got in on the ground floor

726
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: of the hotel casino business. So yeah, in the thirties

727
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: with that hotel open, I think The Wizard of Oz

728
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: was the biggest movie that ever existed. And they had

729
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: apparently like a yellow brick road in there. And I

730
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: learned all this from Trinity by the way, at the

731
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: Museum of Neon, So please if you're in town, check

732
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: it out. And as for Trinity, she was an amazing

733
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: tour guy. Yeah, and again that branding stuff has been

734
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 3: in the game from the start. But MGM is still

735
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 3: kind of king.

736
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Speaker 2: But the point is of what we've got in here

737
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: from basically the principles is that as a tourist, the

738
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Speaker 2: yellow brick road is like something astonished, an amazing direction,

739
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter as much as the gaming equipment

740
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: and where it is.

741
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: I see it, I see that.

742
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: That's what That's what Bill's idea was simple, straightforward, very successful.

743
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Get people in, get them playing as soon as possible,

744
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: remove indicators of time and when they need to eat, sleep, urinate,

745
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: or defecate, kind of punish them for it. Yeah, force

746
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: them to walk past every single other opportunity to put

747
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: money in a machine or to get drunk or to

748
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: get drunk. Weirder decisions when you say it like that.

749
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Speaker 3: No, but I mean, you know, and again, we've talked

750
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: about the people with gambling addiction stuff, and I think

751
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: we all watched I believe it was a PBS special

752
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: about older folks that have gambling problems. Apparently that's a

753
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 3: real epidemic with with older folks, a lot of Boom

754
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: Boomer era kind of generation folks because they have disposable

755
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: income and they have a lot of time on their hands.

756
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: We're going to keep going till Paul subs is okay.

757
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: Some of the folks that were talking about their problems,

758
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: they catched in their four own k's, they catched in

759
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: their iras and all of this stuff to the point

760
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: of just being completely destitutes.

761
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's and think about that too, because you're

762
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: looking at people who in this society are often ignored,

763
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: they're isolated, they're relegated right to lonely places. So this

764
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: feels like it's bustling. It's happening. There are people around you,

765
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: You're getting free stuff, people are paying attention to you.

766
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the big one. That's what it is.

767
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: It's that sense of community. And and I will be honest,

768
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 1: we do know that blue zone indicators show us people

769
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: who elderly tend to live longer and have a higher

770
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: quality of life if they feel they are part.

771
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Speaker 3: Of a community.

772
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: So the game does change, though, because there's a guy

773
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: who comes along and says, Okay, Bill Friedman's philosophy has

774
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: taken over Vegas. I'm gonna throw away every rule. He's

775
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: a legendary interior designer and native Las Vegas guy, Roger

776
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: Thomas in Las Vegas. He's uh, he's he's like you

777
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: mentioned Golden Girls earlier. Do you guys remember designing women? Yes,

778
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: it's all about designers.

779
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I gotta say I like this guy, even though

780
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: he's kind of I don't know, a magician, the psychological

781
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: kind of evil, but like his ideas are creative as hell,

782
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: and I appreciate it.

783
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Like, describe the difference between game design, which is Bill

784
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: Friedman's philosophy and uh and Thomas's which is playground design?

785
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: Well, it is in my mind the way I view

786
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: it is. Friedman established a lot of these standards that

787
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: then Las Vegas and other, you know, major hubs of

788
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: gambling took up.

789
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Sure, choose a theme for the outside, but then it's

790
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: the same casino over and over.

791
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: You got your color scheme might change a little bit.

792
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: Oh that's funny.

793
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: But then this guy comes along and he goes he

794
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: was working I think it was Bilagio, the first one

795
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: that he was working on. Yes, at least his first

796
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: major project he was working on with Steve. Steve went okay, so.

797
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: That's one of the crazy fountain out front.

798
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: Right, who still runs the town even though he retired

799
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. We're talking with an uber driver about this.

800
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful.

801
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: But his concept was to almost flip all of those

802
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: design like principles on their heads, not all of them,

803
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: but several of them on their heads, specifically to give

804
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: the casino patron something different. Really, I think that original concept. Yeah,

805
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 2: let's not make them all cramped, Let's not make everybody

806
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: confused about where they're going, and make it amaze. Let's

807
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: let people see where entrances and exits are. We're not

808
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: going to create an anxiety ridden place the way this

809
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: other dude did. We're going to make it open and

810
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: make you feel opulent.

811
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Speaker 1: We're going to make you feel like you want to

812
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: do this, not that you are pressure.

813
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: Yes, but wait a minute, But isn't what exists now

814
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: and what we've experienced in the Aria kind of a

815
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: combination of both of those.

816
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: Things very much? So, Yeah, it is evolution, and that's

817
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: because it is a newer school organization, right, And Thomas

818
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: did a lot of amazing things he didn't do. He

819
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: threw out all the old rules. He threw all the

820
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: old rules out the window by starting building places with

821
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, windows.

822
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: And or fake windows that appear to be windows, which.

823
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: Is also a good move for any bunker or space shuttle.

824
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: I also haven't been in one, but I've heard that

825
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: some of them have the ceilings painted like the outside.

826
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: Scott is like a cloudy scene.

827
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: Paris, Paris.

828
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: We have to go.

829
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, great, and it's freaky.

830
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 3: So is that more the philosophy of what we're talking

831
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: about with this guy again describing, Yeah, it's sort of

832
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: a mix.

833
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: So it's like a I don't want to say pure

834
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: one because all of.

835
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Speaker 3: Them are all white and wicker.

836
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that. But but are there rooms

837
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: like that? But this stuff is so calculated that each

838
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: room is not measured by a qualitative aesthetic appeal on

839
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: behalf of the designer Thomas himself. It's measured on a

840
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: quantitative return. Yes, day over day, month over month, and

841
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: if it doesn't make that return, then it will or

842
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: year over your possibility. And if it doesn't make that return,

843
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: then that room gets refitted. And he said, look right, yeah, he's.

844
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: Saying with certain games they're monitoring, like if a certain

845
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: type of poker or a certain video machine isn't playing,

846
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: they put it out to past you.

847
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: But but ben's really the important thing is the room

848
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: the sector. Right you imagine how an orange this like

849
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: is really not it's only given.

850
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Speaker 5: Us for.

851
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah only, or they make so much money, even the

852
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: ones that you think in like your small local casinos

853
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: or regional casinos, they are cleaning up uh millions of

854
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: dollars at a fast clipt.

855
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: We were talking with one of our colleagues about the

856
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: MGM hack and how if they had to shut that

857
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: stuff down for just one day. Yeah, it's like just

858
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: millions of dollars down the tube, not to mention just

859
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: the lost wages and all of the just the costs

860
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: keep it running. But I mean, you see we just

861
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: sit at thatch that that table for the little bit

862
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: we did, she's just shoving that money into a cash box.

863
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: It's like, let's talk about that.

864
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: There is a it is a clear slot plastic thing

865
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: that is held by the dealer and a clear plastic receptacle.

866
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: Shut it in there.

867
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: You watch your your fifty or twenty or one hundred

868
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Speaker 2: or ten. Just go.

869
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Speaker 3: But guys, it's almost like they're they're sleight of handing

870
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: it away because they want you to stop thinking about

871
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: that bill quickly.

872
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: That's a good observation. And also I want to say,

873
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: in all fairness, dealers get treated terribly by a lot

874
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: of people. Uh, And that goes into some of the

875
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Vegas myths. So maybe we take a break for a

876
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
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877
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Speaker 1: to just to bust some myths here towards the end.

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Speaker 3: Love it and we're back recording live here from the

879
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: iHeart Podcast studio, powered by both at the House of

880
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: music at the iHeartRadio Music Festival, talking about casinos gonna

881
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: bust some casino myths. We've we've mentioned some of these

882
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: things along the way, but again, let's get right to.

883
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: It, okay, Uh your dealer. Yeah, we're jumping around here

884
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: because we're from amazing. Also we're from Atlanta. You guys,

885
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: we are weirdly nice to every of course, but it

886
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: is but to your point, like they some of them

887
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: are treated. I don't think it's weirdly nice. I think

888
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: it's normal nice. But we are kind of in a bubble.

889
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: We're impressed.

890
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: Also because the skill which they're laying up very it's

891
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: like cardistry, you.

892
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

893
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but it's okay, but that's part of the psychology, guys.

894
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: Hand.

895
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that person is an employee of the place that

896
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: is taking our money. Sure, and that person is being

897
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: kind helping us understand. Oh no, actually, you should double

898
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: shit down on this one because you're gonna get a

899
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: better children. Oh whoops, I got a black jack.

900
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: Well that's why. I mean, it's another it did happen

901
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: to me five times.

902
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: It's also it's also it's a common thing you see

903
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: in sales where you know, you start getting. One thing

904
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: I will say is dealers never use the Royal Wii

905
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: where they're talking with you. But sales guys give you

906
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: a little to give you that little touch, that little priming,

907
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: a little in LP. But the the the anchoring and

908
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: stuff aside, the dealer cannot rig the game. No, it's impossible.

909
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: I'd love to just pick your brain about some theories

910
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: that we're talking.

911
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, let's go.

912
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: Well, just like we just had this thing where I

913
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: asked the question like, how is it that it seems

914
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: the edge is always with the dealer every time?

915
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: Like or let's say let's say seventy five percent.

916
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, but practically getting twenty or twenty one

917
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: at the end. And I'm like, why is that happening?

918
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: And I mean again, I'm getting stuck with the fifteen.

919
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: Exactly every time. And even when I did what I

920
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: was supposed to do, I either busted or anyway I

921
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: had some bad luck quote unquote. That's its own conversation.

922
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: But Matt was like, what if there's some way that

923
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: because of the cameras that are looking at everything, that

924
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 3: are seeing the hands.

925
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: And because of the black box that I'm saying it's

926
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 5: feeding it and it's like inserting just the right card

927
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 5: or reordering them, or you're saying this is this would

928
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: be found out immediately by gaming.

929
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Case high illegal, I would know exactly because it's fraud.

930
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is all you would have to do

931
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 2: is tell the system how many players there are, sure,

932
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: so that it can be aware of what of who

933
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: it is dealing to.

934
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: You don't think they're they're the smarter people than you

935
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 3: or I that do this for a living and play

936
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: that just wouldn't stand for that. And well the ones

937
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: that count cards, which again totally out of my right.

938
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: That is a way that you can get the edge,

939
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: speaking of legal versus illegal, that's not technically illegal, but

940
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: it's frowned upon and you will get kicked out, you know.

941
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: That, Ben. The whole thing that we talked about was

942
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: in the absence of transparency thrust and when your shuffler

943
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: is this black box that is opaque, you cannot see

944
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: into it.

945
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: You don't.

946
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: We're not talking about the person, we're talking about mechanism.

947
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: Yes that shuffles like that's a black box. Yeah yeah, yeah,

948
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 1: I just said, like we're not. It's not a figure

949
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: of speech.

950
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: It's a literal Yeah, it's a mechanical thing that does

951
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: the shuffling that the dealer after they've got a little

952
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: thing on the side, at least that once it fills

953
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: up with a number of cards, that they shove those

954
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: cards back in and inside that black box that you

955
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: can't see into, there are like six or more or

956
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: full decks of cars. Yes, so theoretically, I don't know,

957
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm just it seems possible.

958
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: But Volkswagen cheated on emissions for years, and I also

959
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: used a black box.

960
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Well then how come how come mission control is I'll

961
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: say it, Paul, it's too late. How come michion control

962
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: is knocking out like five six blackjacks?

963
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: It was just it was his thought experiment where we're no,

964
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: you're still right. But because I've never played blackjack, and

965
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: I went in and I played blackjack with you guys,

966
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: and I loved the experience. But I still lost a

967
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: couple hundred dollars and I should go play after this.

968
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to, but I still know I gotta get

969
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 3: back on top, baby.

970
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: But it's just so crazy psychologically, the feeling that I

971
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: can be manipulated in that way.

972
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: Right, and and god forbid, you had something in you

973
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 3: that made you really susceptible to that, like a certain gene.

974
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: Maybe that makes you more susceptible to alcoholism or drug addiction.

975
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: And again we're not here to soapbox about the evils

976
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: necessarily of this stuff, but there are people that are

977
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: triggered by that, that dopamine because that rush and they

978
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: can't get enough of it.

979
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: Well, how did they make me feel so good about it?

980
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: Is there something else at play?

981
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: Ah? Yes? Uh, it is definitely not pumping oxygen into

982
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: the air.

983
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? How that came up like on every

984
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 3: listical video about and I believed it for a second.

985
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: You made the excellent point. We're talking Matt, and we

986
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: were talking about this, and Matt said, look, how many

987
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: people are smoking?

988
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, how how can the oxygen mix be wellable?

989
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Right?

990
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've got incredible ventilation some of the newer casinos,

991
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: which is a real thing that a dealer confirmed to us,

992
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: is that they the the dealer tables. If you're playing

993
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: black Shaft for poker, one of those games, they've got

994
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: tiny little holes cut into those tables that shoot air

995
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: at the people who are playing at the players, your size, bike,

996
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: its fitness, but it's it's more of a health and

997
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: safety thing. It's should prevent the dealer from immediately or

998
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: directly inhaling the smoke. But if you're a player and

999
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: you're getting that, I don't know that in this case,

1000
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: that wouldn't really hit you. I don't.

1001
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: I don't think. I kind of think it would. I

1002
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: think you're onto something. And you know, I did see

1003
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: in lieu of the whole oxygen quandary, which we know

1004
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 3: is bull crap. They make it.

1005
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: Cold in there, and.

1006
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: It's supposed to keep you awake. That's right, because a big,

1007
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: big it's supposed to keep you awake and then also

1008
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: keep you feeling like you're moving. But it's interesting because

1009
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: other places like well, depending on your your your incarceration

1010
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: mileage may vary, but there are there are concerted efforts

1011
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: in some places to keep things you know what, we'll

1012
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: keep it in. It's a thing for a different show.

1013
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: There is a move to keep you awake. And the

1014
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: grain of truth and the oxygen thing is that pleasant

1015
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: smells essential. You haven't thought about the smell.

1016
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: I forget who it was.

1017
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: I think Dennis Reynolds, God, I.

1018
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: Freaking love that scene. I think I think it was

1019
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: Will maybe. And a couple of our other colleagues who

1020
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: commented because they've been to the Aria before where we're staying,

1021
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: and they said, the Aria smell is particularly strong this

1022
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: year because they've been here before.

1023
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: What a weird thing to say. I know, how Victoria.

1024
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 6: Particularly certain stores sort of have a smell smell that

1025
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 6: Abbie Woods or like faked fresh baked cookies or bread,

1026
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 6: or even something legit like the library smell. You know,

1027
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 6: but these things can trigger nostalgia, and they can sugar

1028
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 6: that comfort and that coziness.

1029
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: It's the number one way to encode memory, dude. So

1030
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: what There was this two thousand and six study that

1031
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: found there were some smells that increased casino returns by

1032
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: a cartoonish percentage.

1033
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: Well, the top smell, the top smell was you bro,

1034
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: that's my nickname. They call me the top smell.

1035
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: The smell nice. You heard it here first, Maty, two

1036
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: heads and they'll top smell brown. The paper said that

1037
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: what could be happening is not necessarily a memory that

1038
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: people have that triggers gambling, but that the whatever it

1039
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: is is generalized enough that when people do smell it,

1040
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: they stop and they linger. And while they're lingering, there's

1041
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: another opportunity to say, well, I have.

1042
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: A dollar that's right.

1043
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: Well, it also might smell expensive, which makes you feel expensive.

1044
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: Ah.

1045
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: The identification, especially if you've got a room there right, like, oh, man,

1046
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: i'm a guest here, I show my card. Look out there.

1047
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: Just at the elegance that I am inside of as

1048
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: a guest.

1049
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: It's aspirational for sure.

1050
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: And then you you sit down and you're gonna begin

1051
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: playing a game and they notice, Oh you've put a

1052
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: couple hundred dollars down. They bring you. Oh, sir, would

1053
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: you like a drink? Oh?

1054
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: They're free. Yeah. The massage was new to me. You

1055
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: guys know how I feel about people touching me. I

1056
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: do not care for it. So I do not care

1057
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: for strangers, even granted very attractive, very kind strangers. I'm

1058
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: coming up and I'm like, you're proposing a nightmare to me,

1059
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. Would you I'm a stranger, would

1060
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: you like me to rub your lumbar region?

1061
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: As a man who loves a good massage, it felt

1062
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: like the wrong time I was losing money. But I mean,

1063
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: you know, they make the rounds. And then there's these

1064
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: you know, cocktail servers that will give you free drinks.

1065
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: If you go to the bar and buy one, they'll

1066
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: charge you twenty five. But if you just sit there,

1067
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: they clock you and they bring it to you and

1068
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: they'll keep feeding these ties as long as you're sitting down.

1069
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: Put money in, right, and then that means there's a

1070
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: safe way to calculate it too, because imagine you are

1071
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: just at a regular bar. Then you know, calculate the

1072
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: number of drinks you would have over a series of hours,

1073
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: and then if you're drinking and playing responsibly, then you're

1074
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: basically just paying a bar tab.

1075
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, so let's let's do that calculation. What

1076
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: if a bar makes a sixty profit on mark single

1077
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: drinks you buy?

1078
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 5: Right?

1079
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: Okay, if you buy, does somebody have a calculator? But

1080
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: if you bought like the concept would be, if you

1081
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: bought three drinks and the house comped you a fourth,

1082
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: how much they lose? For are they gaining like crazy?

1083
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: I think they're still gaining like that.

1084
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 3: They are. Every calculation they're making is you know, to

1085
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 3: point back to the ATM machine. The house is already winning.

1086
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: And the thing about the payouts they have to do

1087
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 3: on these machines. They know what that is. They're never

1088
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: going to do it a penny over. So they've got

1089
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: this big picture calculation down to the booze bill, you know,

1090
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 3: and they know what it is, and it's it's a

1091
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: minimal investments and it's not nothing.

1092
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: Are not the top shelf, No.

1093
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: Of course not. I don't think you can ask for

1094
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: a great goose, you know. I think you just say

1095
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: vodka kran You.

1096
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 2: Also always tip of course, guys have terrible news.

1097
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: Oh no, what happened?

1098
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: I just daydreamed about playing a machine so much.

1099
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: I really want to get done with this episode so

1100
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: we can go jam on.

1101
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: I want to do a hand.

1102
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: But again, listen, we're being flippant about this. We are

1103
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 3: being honest, I know you know what I mean, though,

1104
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: is right, But we're not saying like you should.

1105
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: Do this or whatever.

1106
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: Obvious we never do that about anything. But I'm saying

1107
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: like it's been worth the price of it of admission

1108
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: for me because it is fun and even though it's

1109
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: like kind of stupid and frivolous and I'm a little

1110
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: mad at myself, not that.

1111
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: Much, right, It's also it's it's also experiential. And there's

1112
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: the aspect. There's the other aspect here, which is that objectively, yes,

1113
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: casinos are a conspiracy. They are not necessarily an evil conspiracy,

1114
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: you know. But people do win people, Yeah, especially if

1115
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: they own casinos. They win constantly.

1116
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did see.

1117
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: I watched the lady win four thousand dollars today.

1118
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: I saw a lady win in twenty six hundred at

1119
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: a slot machine yesterday.

1120
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: Do you think though, And again, this depends on the

1121
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: person that they just jammed that stuff right back in

1122
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: and then walked away with nothing.

1123
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: But they put in before they got there. We don't know, right,

1124
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: So we are going to end on one thing. We're

1125
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: I think we're getting a nod from our producers here

1126
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: because we are live and we do have to go

1127
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: see little Wayne in a second. That is a true story. Oh,

1128
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: that's true. It's very true. We are going to end

1129
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: on one last thing. We told you some of the griffs,

1130
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: some of the insidious psychological design and calculations. We told

1131
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: you some of the myths psych about one state too. Yeah,

1132
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: history as well. One of the mysteries is what happens

1133
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: when people die at casinos? Oh, this is this is

1134
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: a big conspiracy. I think this is our big Disney.

1135
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: Is like a Disney. I was about to ask. They

1136
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 3: certainly don't report it. They don't like to talk.

1137
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: It's now the headlines at all. Do in Casino dot

1138
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: org that has a lot of interesting research on this.

1139
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: They pulled some twenty and twenty two data from the

1140
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: Southern Nevada or Nevada Health District and this is publicly

1141
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: or non exclusive they call it information, and it showed

1142
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: that in last year, as we record, one nine and

1143
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: twenty eight tourists died in Las Vegas, which is down.

1144
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: From the previously, but at least we know the vast

1145
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: majority of those are health related complications, which makes sense.

1146
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: I mean sure, you literally do see old folks chain

1147
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: smoking cigarettes with oxygen tanks. I mean it's a thing.

1148
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: So I mean and people again, there's a lot of

1149
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: old folks that gambling thingsas people could just to their time,

1150
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's granny's time and they're.

1151
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: In stressful financial situation.

1152
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's correct.

1153
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: Seventy seven percent of people die from what you're saying

1154
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: about natural causes, but that could be things like heart attacks, right, yeah,

1155
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: very easily.

1156
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 3: And then what was it.

1157
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: Of the one nine and twenty eight people who died,

1158
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty four were accidents, fifty one were.

1159
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 4: Suicides, not fifty one percent. Fifty one individual that's a

1160
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 4: lot that's terrified.

1161
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and twenty six were murders. There were two people

1162
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: whose causes of death were indetermined undetermined.

1163
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, reinder, this is tourists, so not anybody

1164
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: living in Las Vegas, I know.

1165
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: I mean, there's certainly have to be plenty of locals

1166
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: with serious gambling.

1167
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, of course, right, like there are a

1168
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of people who live by the shore of Florida,

1169
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: California who get skin cancer. But so the the thing

1170
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: is that it appears there is, to your point, a

1171
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: huge history of keeping this out of the headline. Thankfully,

1172
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: law enforcement does investigate. Of course, the families do have

1173
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: to be notified unless it's, you know, a lake made vacation.

1174
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: And I swear to God, I just saw as Zach

1175
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: califan Akis. It wasn't him. It looked like him from

1176
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: the hangover.

1177
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: It might be he's always trying to hang But the

1178
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: idea is that this stuff just doesn't make it into

1179
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: the media because Vegas wants us thinking about the possibility

1180
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: of untold Riches, an amusement park where I can't just

1181
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 1: ride the roller coasters. I might walk away owning the park.

1182
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned Disney, and just just to add

1183
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: a tiny detail, there was a period when Disney was

1184
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: just absolutely blowing up in terms of their theme park business,

1185
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: and Vegas wanted in on that. So that's why you

1186
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: have a lot of casinos like Treasure Island, Excalibur, you know,

1187
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: all of these kind of very circus circus even it's

1188
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 3: very much like a midway for kids and ski ball

1189
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 3: and stuff. You know.

1190
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at this point, folks, we have we've gone

1191
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: over our time in the pooth. But luckily I have

1192
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: it on good authority that the folks who are recording

1193
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: a live show after us are kind of cool.

1194
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: Oh who's it?

1195
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: Just show call ridiculous History. Hopefully they'll let us slide

1196
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: a little bit on our on our schedule as er. Yeah,

1197
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: they're kind of mits.

1198
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: I heard there might be a certain quizt in the

1199
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: general vicinities.

1200
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: Then I'm leaving. I'm hanging out with Wayne and Zach.

1201
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: This is a little about what about little Dirk.

1202
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: He's around little Little Poo Bear aka Wayne Maddie, two Hands.

1203
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: And top Smell. I suggest we call it a day

1204
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: a night this evening as we leave to noctivigate folks.

1205
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: Remember there's a lot we didn't get to here, old

1206
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: mob stories, the Lake meat Bodies, the strangest, darkest bets

1207
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: ever made. Perhaps that's an episode in the future. We

1208
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: have to return to Vegas soon, one way or another.

1209
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we hope you enjoyed this episode.

1210
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: It is true that when it comes to just how

1211
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: tightly controlled this fantasy is, that's the stuff casinos don't want.

1212
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: You to know. You just triggered the sh out of me.

1213
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: I did that a lot.

1214
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,479
Speaker 2: Today. I went on a hike to a place called

1215
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: the Red Rock Canyon.

1216
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: Beautiful, Yeah, beautiful, Oh my god.

1217
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: I think because of my experience with cgied movies with

1218
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: physical representations that Disney will create e like at their

1219
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: theme parks of like an alien planet or places like that,

1220
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: when I was there at that real place with actual

1221
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: rocks and stones and mountains, I felt like I was

1222
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: on a set and I was not in reality, rather

1223
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: than when I was in reality and looking at a set,

1224
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: feeling like the opposite. Does that make sense?

1225
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1226
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 3: Wait, do you see the hoover dam bro?

1227
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1228
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think you're absolutely right.

1229
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: I know what you mean.

1230
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: I feel like our perceptions have been so warped and

1231
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: altered by the representations of real things like false real things.

1232
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a line in Clockwork Orange he says something.

1233
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes the real world doesn't ever look as real as

1234
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: when you vidiot on a screen.

1235
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: That's so.

1236
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: But we were just inside watching TLC perform right, watching

1237
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: te Baws and Chili on stage. Amazing. When I pulled

1238
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: up my phone and zoomed it in and looked at

1239
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: the big screens, it felt more real than looking at

1240
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: the human being who.

1241
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: Were their dancing.

1242
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: Yes, very well, by the way, but still like tvOS Chili.

1243
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: If you if you hear this, are you having a

1244
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: mind explosion?

1245
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: Man? Look, I didn't do mushrooms.

1246
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, number one number one thing people say when

1247
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: they don't do mushrooms. You know what fos or when

1248
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: they are doing mushrooms.

1249
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

1250
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna be clear, guys. A lot of stuff

1251
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: here is legal in Vegas. I suggest we get to it.

1252
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you can apply that to the casinos,

1253
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: and you can apply that to hotels. You can apply

1254
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: to if you're out on the sea on a cruise,

1255
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: or if you're living in a place that has five

1256
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: restaurants on the first floor and you and everybody else

1257
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 2: lives on the second and fifth floors.

1258
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: Or whatever.

1259
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm just I think maybe our perception has been skewed

1260
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: so much by the digital world that we inhabit most

1261
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 2: still the time that we can't even see what's really around.

1262
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: Us and say, this is the one Omega Omega.

1263
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: Market.

1264
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm not invisible.

1265
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: Okay.

1266
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: So we are going to call it a night. We

1267
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: are venturing forth into the evening, folks, we will, I believe,

1268
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: return to this stuff, the stuff casinos don't want you

1269
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: to know, maybe in a future episode of Ridiculous History

1270
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: or stuff they don't want you to know. In the meantime,

1271
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: please check out our live Ridiculous History show coming to you,

1272
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: also being recorded at the House of Music here at

1273
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio Festival. Most importantly, what do you think if

1274
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: you can't find us in the casino losing crazy money

1275
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: on Blackjackie, you could still find us online?

1276
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 3: Right, I'll be the one getting the neck massage and crying.

1277
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: You can hit us up on the internet or we

1278
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 3: are Conspiracy Stuff on x nay, Twitter, Facebook, and the

1279
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 3: other one on YouTube. The video one. You can find

1280
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 3: this at Conspiracy Stuff Show on Instagram and TikTok.

1281
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: Hey do you like to use your phone to make

1282
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: phone calls? Well, our number is one eight three three

1283
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: S T D W y t K. When you call in,

1284
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: you've got three minutes. Please give yourself a cool nickname,

1285
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: not your government name. Yeah, like like like the Big

1286
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: Smell maybe Smell Top Smell, Top Smell and or Greg

1287
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: mcconna whatever Ben said earlier. You'll have to go back

1288
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: and hear it. Such a good name. I just like

1289
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: Greg Greg Greg.

1290
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: Wow, Greg has a whole persona Greg.

1291
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: What are you saying?

1292
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 2: Greg?

1293
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 3: I think I think you're having a break with reality.

1294
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 5: I'm not.

1295
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 2: I love it. I was thinking, what is that show

1296
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: on HBO about with Greg his cousin Greg cousin Greg

1297
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: cousin Greg.

1298
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that was good. No, that guy's very

1299
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: British and he does a very good patrician New Yorker.

1300
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 3: I was supposed to be from Canada. Now it's failed.

1301
01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: I failed.

1302
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: If someone.

1303
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: By the way, tell us that we can use your

1304
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: name and voice on the air on one of our

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