1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: I'm Katie Lambert and I'm Sarah Dowdy and Sarah and 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I decided to do some episodes for Black History Month. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: So our topic for today is a man some people 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: know as Black Moses. By nineteen nineteen, this Black Moses 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: claimed a following of as many as two million people. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: And they're African Americans and people from the West Indies 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: who were just tired of being denied their rights or 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: subjected to violence just because they're black. But unlike his 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: predecessor book Or T. Washington and his contemporary W. E. B. 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: Two Boys, Black Moses didn't preach assimilation. He didn't even 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: oppose segregation, just the mistreatment that went along with it. Yeah. 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: And instead his line was pan Africanism, and it was 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: a desire to unite all the people separated under the 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Black daspora as one people. And he believed that once 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: Africa became associated with quote armies, navies and men of 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: big affairs, people of African descent wouldn't be denied their 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: rights anymore and they wouldn't be subjected to violence and 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: too pity, and this line of thought put him at 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: the head of America's first major black nationalist movement based 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: in Harlem, which was known as Garvey Um. And the 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: name gives you a clue as to the answer to 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: our question, who was Black Moses. Black Moses was Malchus 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Mosiah Garvey, who today we know as Marcus Garvey was 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: born in eighteen eighty seven at St. Anne's Bay in Jamaica, 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: and as far as what we know about his parents, 28 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: his dad may have been a master mason or perhaps 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: just someone who broke stones on the roadway. But regardless 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: of what he did as a profession, he really truly 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: loved books and he spent as much time as he 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: good in his own private library, which was a building 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: actually separate from the family home. I can only hope 34 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: and his mother helps support the family by selling her 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: delectable pastries. But Um later in life, Garvey really emphasized 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: that he came from a family of quote black negroes. 37 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: He really wants to distinguish himself from the other terms 38 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: that uh people in the West Indiesies to describe themselves, 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: like brown or mulatto. He emphasizes that his people are 40 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: from Africa, and he's not even completely sure about people 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: who do have white lineage. As much as he emphasizes 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: that in himself, he actually does a lot of work 43 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: with people who are of mixed race. A lot of 44 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: it is kind of taught, yes, but he does make 45 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: statements like this, which of course are important when you're 46 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: talking about his life. He's largely self taught, but he 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: does get a valuable apprenticeship with a printer which helped 48 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: him learn a lot about the art of composition and 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: about the business of running a press, which will come 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: in handy beater. Yeah, he learned the journalistic trade in 51 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: this apprenticeship, as well as the mechanics of it. Um. 52 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: But he travels some as a youth. He goes to 53 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: Central America, where he's really disappointed to find um black 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: people living in similarly bad conditions as they are in Jamaica, 55 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: and as many young people living in countries with a 56 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: strong British influence. He is also driven to London and 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: he lives there from nineteen twelve to nineteen fourteen. And 58 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: um he starts to learn about Pan Africanism and uh 59 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: that sort of thing when he's in London, but he 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: also reads book or t Washington's Up from Slavery, and 61 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Garvey was certainly an admire of Washington, even though they 62 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: disagree on that major point of integration, Washington obviously being 63 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: for it and Garvey not so much. But he did 64 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: really like the idea of Washington's Tuskegee Institute and comes 65 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: up with the dream of making his own own trade 66 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: school in Jamaica, and he writes to Washington and secures 67 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: an invitation to visit, but before he can, Washington dives. 68 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: So Garvey comes to the United States nevertheless, in nineteen sixteen. Um. 69 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: But all right, so before we talk about his early 70 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: days in the United States, we should mentioned that in 71 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Jamaica in nineteen fourteen, he founds the very long name, 72 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: very unwielder Universal Negro Improvement and Conservation Association and African 73 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: Communities League, which is usually just called the Universal Negro 74 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: Improvement Association, and we're going to call it the u 75 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: n i A. And the group had a Pan African agenda, 76 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: So we wanted to talk a little bit about what 77 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: that means. There's a bit of a spectrum on one side, 78 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: according to Wilson Jeremiah Moses, sometimes it just is a 79 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: call for unity among black or African peoples wherever they 80 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: might reside. That's a quote from Moses. And on the 81 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: other side, we've got the goal of uniting the entire 82 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: African continent under one government to be controlled by Africans. Yeah, 83 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: so I kind of see this as a pan African 84 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: light and then a very intense version um. But the 85 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: U n I A, which has this Pan African agenda, 86 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: doesn't really catch on in Jamaica, and this is partly 87 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: why Garvey is attracted to the US, and he actually 88 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: becomes so involved in un I A work when he's 89 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: in the United States that he eventually abandons his other 90 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: motive for coming, which was the Jamaican Trade School plan. 91 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: But the un I really picks up steam, especially in 92 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: Harlem and in other cities, and by nineteen nineteen he's 93 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: got that following of about two million people. This is 94 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: really the height of his popularity. So let's talk a 95 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: little bit about Garvey and his work with the U 96 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: and I A. Garvey is a pitch man, and he 97 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: speaks to black power, but specifically black economic power. He's 98 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: also interested in black history and an African identity, but 99 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: black and economic power is kind of the center of 100 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: what he wants to do. Yeah, and that interest in 101 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: black history and African identity. We talked about the pan 102 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Africanism already, but he's also interested in afric Centrism, which 103 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: is really more of a philosophical movement, and it's the 104 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: idea that Africa is the center of black history and 105 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: cultural identity, and that black people all around the world 106 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: should celebrate the Ethiopians and the Egyptian civilization and kind 107 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: of consider that, uh, a golden Age of the Pharaohs 108 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: was going on at the same time that Europeans were, 109 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, considered barbarians living in caves. And Garby was 110 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: also convinced that whenever black people accomplished something amazing, they're 111 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: basically reclassified as white. So he went with a whole 112 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: racist one drop rule and that one drop of blood 113 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: may makes you black, right, and reclaimed it and embrace 114 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: stit for historical vindications, saying, well, all right, then the 115 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: pharaohs are black with up. So his newspaper, Negro World, 116 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: is very afrocentric and it's really his instrument um to 117 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: communicate you know, Afrocentrism and pana Africanism to his followers 118 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: and he's got a lot of popular articles, not just 119 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: on news but on African history and society. And he's 120 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: really good at this paper business. We've we've talked a 121 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: lot about these great publishing men recently, but um, he's 122 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: good at this. He's a journalist and it's the u 123 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: n A is big success and something to remember when 124 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: we talk about some of its spectacular failures later on. 125 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: But Garvey is a born publicist and he's got this 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: great sense of style and composition, and at its peak, um, 127 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: Negro World has a regular circulation of fifty thousand or 128 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: more readers. Um. And that doesn't count even all the 129 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: people who were listening to it being read aloud at 130 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: work or in beauty parts all around the city. So 131 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: that's a low estimate. Yeah, definitely. But don't think of 132 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey as a retiring sort of newspaperman. He's very showy. 133 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: He wears plumes and military style clothing. Sarah emailed me 134 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: some fabulous pictures earlier than Katie and I are always 135 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: interested in the plumes. Well, we're big into that. You're 136 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: the green editor we have to be. But he's not 137 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: just about talking and promoting and pitching it's it's not 138 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: all talk. He wants to be the guy at the 139 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: head of this economic revolution that he dreams of, but 140 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: unfortunately he is no businessman. And his goal is to 141 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: establish an independent black economy, so not integrate into the 142 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: existing white economy, but have his own. And so he 143 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: establishes the Negro Factories Corporation, and then a line of 144 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: black run restaurants and grocery stores, laundries, a hotel, a 145 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: printing press, and then most famously, the Black Star Line, 146 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: most famously for being a complete misadventures. So the idea 147 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: behind the Black Star Line is actually really impressive. It 148 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: was a shipping line that was meant to be the 149 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: foundation of trade between Africans around the world, so it 150 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: would increase the distribution of black made products and make 151 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: more money for the black community. And it's popular. People 152 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: want to be involved in this. It's incorporated in selling 153 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: stocks at five dollars a share, and it has between 154 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: thirty thousand and forty thousand stockholders. And these are people 155 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: who could have invested in some of the businesses, you know, 156 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: the restaurants and the laundry mats and all that, and 157 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: many do um. But a lot of people choose the 158 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: Black Star Line because it offers economic independence and because 159 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: it just seems so militant. It was so bold. It 160 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: is a really bold, impressive, showy kind of idea. But 161 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: unfortunately terrible investments and mismanagement lead to the line and 162 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: garbs downfall. There was just a lot of incompetence, not 163 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: only with Garby but also with the people he hired 164 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,359 Speaker 1: and surrounded himself with. The vessels are dilapidated and sometimes 165 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: just unseaworthy. One of them originally called the Yarmouth and 166 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: renamed Frederick Douglas. You'll see this is a they rename 167 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: their boats. Um. It was purchased on the advice of 168 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: a West Indian captain named Joshua Cockburn, who gets a 169 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: six dollar brokerage fee for buying it. And it's not 170 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: that great of a ship, but still people are excited 171 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: about the inauguration of the Black Star Line and maybe 172 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: it seems like it will work out. But on its 173 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: voyage to Cuba with a cargo of whiskey, it runs 174 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: aground off the Bahamas. Well, Cockburn is asleep, and then 175 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: finally it does get to Cuba, makes no profit, runs 176 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: aground again off of Boston, and it's sold at public 177 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: auction the next year. And this is just this is hitomazes. 178 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: These these boats here, they're all sunk, abandoned or sold 179 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: at public auction. Shortly they're after And the other side 180 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: of this whole shipping line idea was transporting people, because 181 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: that was the ultimate plan you would resettle all of 182 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,359 Speaker 1: the black people in Africa, which is the scheme Garvey 183 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: is probably best known for. Yeah, So one year after 184 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: the launch of the Black Star Line, Garvey starts the 185 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: Librarian Program and UM. In fact, in nineteen twenty which 186 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: once again this is like the height of his popularity. 187 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: There's a Madison Square Garden meeting of twenty five thousand 188 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: people and they elect him the provisional President of Africa, 189 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: which have no idea. That's a rather bold title. But 190 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: the idea was to give American blacks an African base 191 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: and UM to develop Liberia as a kind of economic powerhouse. 192 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: So in nineteen twenty a U n I A delegation 193 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: sets up a deal with the Liberian government to set 194 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: aside land for the un I to develop and you know, 195 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: Librarius is okay, They're agreed, and the UNI sets up 196 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: this Liberian Development Corporation and raises seven hundred and fifty 197 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. But this money simply disappears. You got all 198 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: the money and then it's gone. So the Liberians, who 199 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: are definitely in need of some kind of influx of 200 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: capital here they need to develop their country, move on 201 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: because at this point there's increasingly bad pr around Garvey 202 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: in the u n i A, and France and Great 203 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: Britain even pressure Liberria to announce that the U n 204 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: i A can't have the land after all. So instead 205 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the Librarians set up a partnership with the American rubber industry, 206 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: specifically Firestone Company, because I got to consider it this time. 207 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: The automobile industry is really picking up and we need 208 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: tires in America, right. But this whole venture is the 209 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: beginning of the end for Garvey. We've got some bad 210 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: business deals going on, some definite failures um and Garvey's 211 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: popularity ensures that the white establishment is looking for a 212 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: way to bring him down. He's very powerful and they 213 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: don't like it. Yeah, A young j Edgar Hoover is 214 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: especially hard after him. He sees him as a threat 215 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: to the American way. But he also has enemies from 216 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: within and from within his own organization. In guy named 217 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: George Tyler actually shoots him four times in the U 218 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: n A offices, But then it gets a little sketchy. Yeah, 219 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: The state Attorney General UM Edwin P. Kilroe says that 220 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: Tyler was going to make damaging revelations about Garvey's business practices, 221 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: and then shortly after Tyler dies in police custody, and 222 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: UM Garvey sort of puts out the word that maybe 223 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: the U and I was a victim of a plot 224 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: by Kilroe, the Attorney General, and he says that many 225 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: of his followers end up believing him. And Garvey is 226 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: also clashing with leaders of other black movements. He's having 227 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: confrontations with a Philip Randolph with du Boys, who's head 228 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: of the Double A CP at the time, and also 229 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Robert s Abbott, who's the publisher and editor of Chicago Defender, 230 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: a rival black paper, but really cannot stand Garvey. He 231 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: thinks he's a Charlatan essentially, um but Garvey falls out 232 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: hard after the government finally pins some charges on him 233 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: on January twelve, two, He's arrested and later indicted on 234 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: twelve counts of mail fraud, which you know, mail fraud 235 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: lawyers have been hunting for some kind of technical charge 236 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: stumbled upon this one. The arrest, though, stirs up a 237 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: lot of existing negative press about the Black Star Lines 238 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: financial problems, and the black press demands some proof that 239 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: this company works, that it's not you know, just a front, 240 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: or that their money is not going to waste. Yeah, 241 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: I think of all the investment that's gone into this 242 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: shipping line. So the Black Star Line says that it 243 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: will buy the ship Lion, which they'll rename the Philli 244 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Sweetly Um. And this is really the nail in the 245 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: coffin of Garvey's career. At the the purchase is bogged 246 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: down by a bunch of legal and financial problems. The 247 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: White agent negotiates a purchase and takes a third of 248 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: the deposit money for himself, And meanwhile the U S 249 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: Shipping Board, which owns the orion Um, is being urged 250 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: by the FBI to demand a bond of four hundred 251 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, which is three times the purchase price. 252 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: So Garvey is stuck. You know, he can't get his ship, 253 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: can't pay four fifty thou dollars, so he's in a 254 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: real pickle by this point, and it really really does 255 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: not help that he tries to get pretty much the 256 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: worst allies ever. As his popularity plummets. He meets with 257 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: the KKK Um meets up with the Imperial Wizard in 258 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: Atlanta in June, and if this absolutely makes no sense 259 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: to you, he justifies himself by saying, and I quote, 260 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: I was speaking to a man who was brutally a 261 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: white man, and I was speaking to him as a 262 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: man who was brutally a negro. So I can't justify 263 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: it for you anymore than Garvey did. So Garvey is 264 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: convicted in nineteen and his appeals unsuccessful. He's sentenced to 265 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: federal prison, back in Atlanta again for six years, but 266 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Calvin Coolidge commutes his sentence after two and he's deported 267 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: to Jamaica, but he ultimately ends up in England, where 268 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: he dies in pretty much an obscurity in middle age. 269 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: UM the U and I A really can't press on 270 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: without charismatic Garvey at its head. And interestingly, though, you know, 271 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: despite this black Star line, despite the failed Liberian movement, 272 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: it's not seen as a failure. It helps shape what's 273 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: to come, which is UM the black nationalism that really 274 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: strengthens after World War Two, and according to Wilson, Jeremiah Moses, 275 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: again he had quite a lot of accomplishments. This is 276 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: a quote from him. Marcus Garvey revealed the ability of 277 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: African Americans to combine capital organized politically, create jobs, provide 278 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: a forum for writers and intellectuals, and sustain institutions independent 279 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: of white philanthropy, which is of note because I mean 280 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: even the early Double A CPU was pretty heavy on 281 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: white leadership. Um. But kind of a an interesting footnote 282 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: to this whole story. UM, if we're not going to 283 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: just leave you with mail fraud and dying in obscurity. 284 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: In nineteen seven, Representative Charles Wrangle introduced measures to Congress 285 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: to have Garvey exonerated on those mail fraud charges. And 286 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: he was going off of research then by Robert A. Hill, 287 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: who had found evidence in the National Archives that the 288 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: conviction was politically motivated because Hoover in the Justice Department 289 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: saw links between Garvey is UM and the communist movement 290 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: that Hoover that Hoover. UM. So it's interesting and I 291 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: think that people are still trying to this happened. It's 292 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: kind of um an unprecedented thing to have a a 293 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: posthumous pardon, but at least that we know, at least 294 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: as far as we know, So send us an email 295 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: if you if you have any updates on the Garvey 296 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: exoneration process. That History podcast at has to work Stack 297 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: home and that brings us to listener mail. We got 298 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: an email from Anne from Houston, who had written us 299 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: a bit of a follow up to our Burke and 300 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: Will's expedition talking about the camels in Australia which have 301 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: become a huge problem. She sent her old camel right. 302 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: She sent a link to the Times Online a story 303 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: from January one of this year, and apparently the government 304 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: had committed nineteen million dollars to calling the camel population 305 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: of Australia helicopters. Yet that never really goes over well 306 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: in the press um and instead some people are trying 307 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: to get them sent to Saudi Arabia, where apparently you 308 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: can buy a baby camel burger which tastes a lot 309 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: like beef. So amnesty for Australian camels, I guess right, 310 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: and thank you for the footnote. 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