1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Ruby. Hi, I'm Rick Schwartz. 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: What a world, Marco Wentz and this This is Amazing Wildlife, 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: the podcast where we explore unique stories of wildlife from 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: around the world and uncover fascinating animal facts. This podcast 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: is in production with iHeartRadio's Ruby Studio and San Diego Zoo. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: Wildlife Allions, an international nonprofit conservation organization which oversees the 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 2: San Diego Zoo and the San Diego Zoosa. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: Firepark, which is kind of where we sort of are 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: right now. I just love the courtyard. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, man, It's good to be back by. 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: Its good to have you back. 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Thank you me. 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: Last episode we covered California condors. I know it was 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: really really good, but it just lacked something and it 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: was lacking you, buddy. 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, amigo. I appreciate that. I heard it. It 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: sounded really really great. 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 4: You know. I learned a little bit extra that I 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 4: didn't know about condos se which is wonderful. And actually 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: I spent some time in Mexico and saw that to 21 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: boot the Petsu, which was great. 22 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: How was it? Oh, it was wonderful. 23 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: I saw the new Oxlado Habitat theme, very impressive in spanness. 24 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: But you know it made me be jealous, so let 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: us I. 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 4: Mean the Mexican food too. I mean, you can't beat 27 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 4: that Mexican food out of Mexico. It's just really called food, 28 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 4: by the way, but it's great. 29 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: You know, it's just food. It's just food. 30 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 4: Hey, we're getting distracted, but you know, what I was 31 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 4: thinking was all the great work that specialists do from 32 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: different species, like the Condo episode that. 33 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: We talked about, right. 34 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: What I really enjoyed about having that conversation is we 35 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: both win the organization for a while. We know the story, 36 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: but to really hear the numbers. You know, she was 37 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: saying that there was two hundred and fifty. I've been 38 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: hatched over that now, right. The one that was number 39 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: two to fifty is going to be released soon, and goodness, 40 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: there's over five hundred in the population, half of that 41 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: flying free in the wild. 42 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Yep. 43 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: So the whole idea of the work that. 44 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: Was done was just the initial twenty two that were 45 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: brought in and all the efforts for making sure we're 46 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: doing right by the partnerships by reading and then reintroductions 47 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: in the wild. 48 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 5: Is so cool. 49 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, And I know a lot of our guests 50 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: are familiar with that project, but sometimes I think that 51 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 4: most of our guests don't really realize all the behind 52 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: the scenes work, the science space work that's being done 53 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: here at the Safar Park. For instance, we're at the 54 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 4: beautiful Beckman Center. The public's not aware. You know, it's 55 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 4: an eighteen hundred acre conservation park. Guests can access a 56 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: good portion of this conservation area, but this particular section 57 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 4: is super unique. 58 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: A lot of really important work is being done right well. 59 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: And I appreciate your bringing that up because it's what 60 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: this episode's about. 61 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: I was just trying to give you the segue right. Well, wow, 62 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: that's not what that one. 63 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: So our members already know because they got the Santego 64 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: Wildlife Alliance Journal in the mail. There's an article about 65 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: all the conservation work done by Wildlife Health. In other words, 66 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: sometimes when animals go out to the wild, they still 67 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: need some support from our Wildlife Health staff, or sometimes 68 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: the conservation Act itself. 69 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: Is Wildlife Health. 70 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: So we thought it'd be fun to maybe talk to 71 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: the guy who knows a lot about this. 72 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea. 73 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: Friend, so our guest, why don't you go ahead introduce 74 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: yourself and tell us your title. 75 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, My name is Hendrick, Hendrick Nolins, and I 76 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 6: am the VP of the Vice President of wilderff Health 77 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 6: for the San Diego Zoo wild There for Lions, So 78 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 6: I lead those teams. 79 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 5: That you're talking about. 80 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 6: And I'm really glad that you're actually telling that part 81 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 6: of the story too, you know, the overlooked part of 82 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 6: lot of times and the health support that goes into 83 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 6: these programs or that's needed for these programs or for 84 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 6: the species recovery. 85 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 5: So pretty cool you're doing that. 86 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: So the VP of Wildlife Health tells me that it's 87 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: a pretty important department that you have to have somebody 88 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: at your level overseeing all the work that's being done. 89 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: So he's like, where do I begin to name everybody 90 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: on the team. 91 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 6: Well, I don't know about important necessarily, but it's definitely 92 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 6: a big department and a very core department. So the 93 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 6: wild of filth teams consists of the animal hospital at 94 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 6: the zoo, the animal hospital at the park, but then 95 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 6: also our pathology team, disease investigations, epidemiology, toxicology, our diagnostic labs. 96 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 6: We have in house labs that perform diagnostic tests on 97 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 6: these animals that are not available elsewhere because the species 98 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 6: we take care of are not dog cats forces, right, 99 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 6: and then also the entire nutrition science and the food 100 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 6: supply chain, you know, getting all the animals. 101 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: Fed, which makes sense part because everything everything about it, 102 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: from nutrition into disease prevention. I think you were saying 103 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: as well, right, I mean there were some issues in 104 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: the past. I remember California condor that was part. 105 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: Of the article. 106 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: So clearly it's a very large umbrella from nutrition to disease, 107 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: to testing for things, everything else. 108 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: But the article did mention that. 109 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: We participated or were part of creating a bird flu 110 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: vaccine so the condors and the wild could receive an anoculation. 111 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: What was your department's handed all. 112 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 6: That, Yeah, yeah, so very close. This was really a 113 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 6: precedent setting project, the or initiative. It was not led 114 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 6: by us, but we were one of the key contributors. 115 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 6: And so even influenza has been circulating in North America 116 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 6: for the last three four years, has been causing damage 117 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 6: at population level and species level in South America and 118 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 6: elsewhere in the world, and also some years ago now 119 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 6: the California condor populations, which you mentioned earlier, is on 120 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 6: the track to recovery because of our and other people's efforts, 121 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 6: but they got hit by even influenza, and at some 122 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 6: point in time, over the course of a couple months, 123 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 6: over twenty California condors were lost to even influenza, which, 124 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 6: if you look at it proportionately at scale, that effectively 125 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 6: meant that it set the conservation breeding program back by 126 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 6: ten years, basically accomplishments ten years worth of accomplishments that 127 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 6: were just lost due to the virus. And so there's 128 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 6: no vaccine available in the United States against aven influenza 129 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 6: for reasons that have to do with poultry trade, international 130 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 6: poetry trade, multipillion dollar industry. It's a vaccine that's not legal. 131 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 6: They exist, these vaccines, but are not allowed in the 132 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 6: United States. And actually the US Fashion and Wildlife USDA 133 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 6: work together to get an exception, create permission to actually 134 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 6: use an experimental influence of vaccine and California condors, and 135 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 6: then ourselves and two other zoos were chosen to test 136 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 6: the safety and the efficacy of the vaccine on some 137 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 6: of the condors that were still in our care but 138 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 6: that we're in that pipeline towards release, reintroduction what. 139 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 4: A great way to get involved in some so big 140 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 4: I mean maybe some guests aren't realized, you know, avian 141 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: influence it and quote me if I'm wrong, please correct me. 142 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: But it's been around for a while, but it's been 143 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 4: increasing and it's exposure in different areas. 144 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: Is that kind of a good way to think? 145 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 146 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a virus that comes from wild birds. It's 147 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 6: a natural thing to occur, but this particular strain usually 148 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 6: and even influenza outbreak is a one winter kind of thing. 149 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 6: You know, it comes with the migrating birds when they 150 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 6: come south and fall, and then the next year it's 151 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 6: eradicated spontaneously. This outbreak has been around for three, four 152 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 6: or five years, and it's global too. It's really It 153 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 6: has also been introduced into dairy cows strangely, so now 154 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 6: there's a current dairy cow even influenza outbreak. 155 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: Right, and it affects all corners of the world. 156 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 4: And so some of you guys maybe brought some eggs 157 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: in the past, you know, maybe one of where our 158 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: prices has been so high. 159 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: It's an example. 160 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: But there are certain species that you mentioned poultry, I 161 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 4: believe raptor species, which also includes raptor air like eagles 162 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: and hawks and falcons for our class, et cetera. But 163 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 4: it also included the California condra. And to me, it 164 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 4: makes it feel really good that we at the Safari 165 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: Park the Alliance as a whole can really help out 166 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: in this need to protect wildlife and especially avian wildlife. 167 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was a tough project and a very 168 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 6: unique initiative, but our organization is so vested into recovery 169 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 6: of California or Corbo or when program Done comes back 170 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 6: and say can you help us with this was a 171 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 6: no brainer. 172 00:06:59,040 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 5: You know. 173 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, we're gonna put one of our veteran 174 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 6: aarians on it and enrolling our birds assist these other 175 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 6: zoos that did the same thing. And it was the 176 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 6: great impactful, meaningful and fulfilling initiative and effective. 177 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: And what I appreciate what you shared was the fact 178 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: that it's not as simple as just going, oh, we 179 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: should come up with some sort of vaccine. That there's 180 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: more at play. There's government issues involved, there's other industries involved, 181 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: there's so many other things at play when it comes 182 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: to figuring this out. And I know as a dad, 183 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: I heard about AVM flu and the increase of eggs 184 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: and other groceries that have eggs, and how it was 185 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: affecting us there, and I think that was very much 186 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: in the populace's mindset. But to kind of step back 187 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: into wait a minute, this also set back to California 188 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: Condo project. 189 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: By ten years. 190 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: It really for me myself, it kind of repaints the 191 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: picture of how these different viruses and diseases affect everything, 192 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: not just the price of our groceries necessarily, or affect 193 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: our lives. And so what a great example of how 194 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: our organizations are part of these bigger projects, these bigger 195 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: pictures and being able to help solve that riddle if 196 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: you will. 197 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, no kidding, It is a great example. 198 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 6: It's a very clear example of Chrispit's a disease threat 199 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 6: to an endangered species that is recovering, almost setting it 200 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 6: back to declining. So yeah, it's a great example of 201 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 6: helping clear a health hurdle in the recovery of somebody's species. 202 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's excellent. 203 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: Hopefully guests can read that article and learn a little 204 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 4: more about that California Funder initiative. 205 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: That's really great. 206 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: Speaking of the article, another thing that's brought up was 207 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: kittrid fungus. Oh, and that's as people who work with 208 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: reptiles and amphibians, especially over the years, have really had 209 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: a hard time getting ahead of that. You can put 210 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: a population out there that you've done a breeding program 211 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: with and all of a sudden you lose an entire 212 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: area because of the kittrid fungus. And how aggressively horrible 213 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: it is for these animals. What have we done as 214 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: part of our initiative for Wildlife Health to try and 215 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 2: get ahead of that to figure that out? 216 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, So again as an organization as a whole, has 217 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 6: been very heavily invested in Mountain the ollelegged frog recovery. 218 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 6: It's one of the species we do on site here, 219 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 6: conservation breeding forward. This is not guest facing, it's not 220 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 6: in public facing habitats. It's all happening behind the scenes. 221 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 6: But the hey threat there is this fungus, right, and 222 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 6: so frogs get bred and released every year into three 223 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 6: or four different areas. But then the threat of the 224 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 6: kittrich fungus continues to exist. And so what the team 225 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 6: trial this past year if we could expose some of 226 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 6: the frogs that we have here in our care but 227 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 6: then also treat them. So expose them so your immune 228 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 6: system are primed. They've been exposed to this pathogen, right, 229 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 6: but then not let them become affected to the point 230 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 6: where they become sick or potentially die. And so they 231 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 6: were exposed and treated at the same time. And the 232 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 6: idea here is to give them some immunity before they 233 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 6: get released into the wild. And so that's an experiment 234 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 6: of us conducted here between our conservation biologists and at 235 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 6: the hospital closed supervision and management from the hospital teams. 236 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 6: It's a very unique study because you know, our hospitals 237 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 6: used to having livestock and primates and suddenly we have 238 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 6: frogs a little you know, if our. 239 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 4: Viewers are aware, this is our only native frog species 240 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: and those high alpine areas. 241 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: Goutitude frog right exactly. So it's pine forest areas and 242 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: cold water creeks are being released into. And so it 243 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: is such a unique species in southern California. 244 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: One being anique species, two just being a unique habitat 245 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 4: I think for California, San Diego County, I should say, 246 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 4: but also just being on amphibian alone. 247 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Man, you get hit with all sorts of things right 248 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: in the wild. 249 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: I mean if something unknown, something nuance happens in an environment, 250 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 4: generally it's an amphibian, a salaman, or a frog that 251 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: gets hit first. You know, I was going to ask 252 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: you though maybe some guests like a little kids, especially 253 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 4: not familiar with caittured fungus, could you talk about that. 254 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: A little bit to your knowledge of it? 255 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 5: Good? 256 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what I'm saying here 257 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 6: for kittrick fundus is it's a fungus, right, It's I 258 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 6: think everybody probably will know what a fundus is. But 259 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 6: it's a specific kind of fungus that causes high rates 260 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 6: of disease and death in amphibians, specifically frog, and it 261 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 6: has been introduced spread all around the world and it's 262 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 6: actually been I believe, the leading cause of the client 263 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 6: of amphibians worldwide. If it's not the leading, it's one 264 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 6: of the leading. And so it's a universal problem for 265 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 6: a frog conservation, amphibian conservation, and also to your point, 266 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 6: our unique niche high altitude outpine in southern California to. 267 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: Get hit left and right. You know, you can ask you. 268 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: I don't know if you can hypothesize or maybe see 269 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 4: in the future, but do you think this part I know, 270 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 4: let me bring it. 271 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: So I'm pretending to have a. 272 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: Crystal ball for those of you or not seeing the 273 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 4: YouTube episode that's going to happen out and to do 274 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 4: in the future what I was curious about. Do you 275 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 4: see this particular project is possibly being effective for other 276 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: amphibians It could be susceptible to this one. 277 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 6: It could be the idea could certainly be replicated. Right, 278 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 6: other institutions that are involved with some of these species 279 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 6: that are equally under threat of the catred fungus could 280 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 6: do the same thing. Because we've choven you can do it, 281 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 6: we can do it effectively or safely. 282 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 5: For the frogs. We're still waiting to see what, you know, 283 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 5: the efficacy. 284 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: Of Yeah, exactly right. 285 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 6: We don't know yet how much protection it conveyed for 286 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 6: the frogs when they go out into the wild. Time 287 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 6: will tell soon. But if it works, for sure, I 288 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 6: would hope that people would replicate this approach. Even if 289 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 6: it doesn't prove to be effective this first go around, 290 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 6: I think it's worthwhile trying again in other species. Different 291 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 6: dose are just different protocols, longer exposures. You know, there's 292 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 6: so many things that you could tweak and adjust to 293 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 6: we could not try right or give it a yeah that. 294 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: We've kind of talked about that before and heard about 295 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: it from other people in conservation that sometimes your first 296 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: try on something you don't necessarily get your results, but 297 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: you learn. 298 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: Something you're going to apply to your next try. 299 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what I love about this concept is that, yeah, 300 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: we don't know for sure if it will be effective, but 301 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: it's worth finding out and then making adjustments to see 302 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: what we can do to make more effective. 303 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 6: And you know, it's an innovative thought, it's an out 304 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 6: of the box thought. It's something we have not done before. 305 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 6: It's not just tweaking and adjusting a little bit. It's 306 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 6: actually a completely different approach to how we go about this. 307 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 6: So yeah, we certainly should embrace those sort of thoughts. 308 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: I love it. It's encouraging. 309 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 4: It's exciting too, sort of like all the unknown that 310 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: you guys have to sort of address out here in Beckman, 311 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: it's really inspiring. 312 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: How to say to see the good workie doing. 313 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 4: It's a kudos on that Frog project, sending you good 314 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 4: frog vibes or for hopefully you. 315 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Can get out there. 316 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 5: Thank you. I feel them. 317 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 4: But yo, man, I'm thinking now you guys like the 318 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 4: variability of already what we talked about, right, and we 319 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 4: were talking California condor, the largest flying bird in North America, 320 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 4: to the cutest little frog. If you guys haven't seen it, 321 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: check out our website and check out Mountain Yell legged frog. 322 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: There's other species. Even what Idea say, Even the. 323 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: Article mentions something about the right and some work we're 324 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: doing with them. I think it was something I'm about 325 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: doing fecal studies on the understand. So when it comes 326 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: to wildlife health, yeah, what comes out the other end 327 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: is important to know. You know, we're both former zoo keepers. 328 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: We understand that it's important to know what's going on 329 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: there from. 330 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 5: More than something you have to clean up. 331 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: There's a cute book that we sell, by the way, 332 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: I think it's called. 333 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: What is it that your team is specifically looking at 334 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: or trying to learn from that from the specific bucket mounts. 335 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 6: So in general, actually feces or you know, pooper, what 336 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 6: you want, whatever you want to call it, is actually 337 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 6: a very interesting biological sample for us to sample and 338 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 6: study because it's a biological sample you. 339 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 5: Can most easily get from a wild animal. 340 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 6: So there's actually a lot that we do in our 341 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 6: hospitals and here in our research labs with fecal samples 342 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 6: because it's something you can get non invasively after the 343 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 6: animals left or right right, So we try to maximize 344 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 6: as much we can learn from a fecal sample. Now, 345 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 6: in this specific case, I think what you're referencing is 346 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 6: that there is a guess it should step back a 347 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 6: little bit, similar to the frogs, similar to the condors, 348 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 6: similar to burring owles, and a number of other species. 349 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 6: We have a population of Pacific pocket mice here on 350 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 6: grounds at the Safari Park. Again, this is not guest facing. 351 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 6: We may have a specific parket miuse on display somewhere. 352 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 4: I don't think I was going to reference during the 353 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: frogs sagent that there are particular tours. So if our 354 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 4: guests visit our website at Sez Safari Park dot org, 355 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: you click to tours and there's a lot of different 356 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: safaris and one or two affrontments. They can include a 357 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 4: tour through Beckmann and also Harder, which I highly recommend, 358 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: especially this year we're celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the Frozen. 359 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, check out the website and you can learn a 360 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: lot more. Okay, that was my place. 361 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 6: Next year is the twenty fifth anniversary of our heart. 362 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: Twenty fifth adversary, right hard or wonderful hospital here for 363 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 4: guests listening, So yeah. 364 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Check it out. 365 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, anyway, we've got sidetracked. 366 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 4: But though a Pacific pocket mouse because they're way out there. Yeah, 367 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: so there is a part of our park, our bird 368 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: conservation center, our cheetah Conservation Center, and also a center 369 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: for our Pacific pocket mouse is out there as well. 370 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 6: Correct, correct, And so this population of mice is here 371 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 6: as a source population for reintroducing Pacific pocket mice into 372 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 6: their original habitat, right, and so either establishing new populations 373 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 6: or for amplifying the existing breathing that's happening out there. 374 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 6: These mice, like probably most other wild animals, do have 375 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 6: nematose parasites worms, and they're intestinal tract and we have 376 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 6: some people might be surprised to know that every animal 377 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 6: that passes away at the zoo park ground gets a 378 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 6: full post mortem by a border patologist in a full. 379 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 5: Ride up and whatnot. 380 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 6: And so with that we've learned that sometimes not all 381 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 6: the time, but these parasites, these worms can be harmful. 382 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 6: They can lead to poor body condition for survival. Just 383 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 6: sort of general weakening doesn't often cause a direct disease. 384 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 6: It's sort of a lot of it's an extra burden. 385 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 6: And so for these tiny little mice that were what 386 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 6: you know, thirty grams and. 387 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: The pilots a. 388 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 6: Couple of right, yeah, you know, it can be difficult 389 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 6: to do parasite monitoring the faces. So the team here 390 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 6: has done a great job and I'm sure it's put 391 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 6: a lot of smiles on a lot of people's faces. 392 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 6: The fcocile was so small that we actually have. 393 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 5: To pull them. 394 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 6: We have to grab a whole bunch of specific pocket 395 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 6: mouse feces actually, and then and then you sort of 396 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 6: triash back to if you triosh back to you know 397 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 6: which mouse it came from, and then treat that individual. 398 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 6: But the point is that those mice that have a 399 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 6: parasite burden that is either too large or a burden 400 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 6: that they aren't handling well, it can be taxing on 401 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 6: them and to make them less ideal release candidates. 402 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 4: Is this something that they would normally be exposed to 403 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: in the wild, and maybe it's a little more extreme. 404 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, parasites are I think there are very few wild 405 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 6: animals that don't have parasites. 406 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, my brain went in, like thick billed parrots an example. 407 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 4: But what I understand of it is there getting expose 408 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: a little more obstacles in nature than what normally they'd 409 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 4: be interacting with. And some of it has to do 410 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: with climate change and higher temperature. So my brain start 411 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 4: be going like, is this something that could be attributed 412 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 4: to that? 413 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: Possibly? 414 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 6: Right, we know parasitic diseases, parasitic infections are a lot 415 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 6: of times there are still drivers off population trends, and 416 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 6: you know, the parasites can really take down whole populations 417 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 6: of animals. And the thick biled parrots a great example. 418 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 6: It's not an intestinal parasite, but you get acto parasites. Yes, 419 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 6: so lice and fleas and like external you're saying exactly, yeah, 420 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 6: living on the skin and then the feathers that might 421 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 6: live on the feathers. And but again they can be 422 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 6: they're normal. You know, they are parasites that are from 423 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 6: thick billed parasites and for thick parasites, but sometimes when the. 424 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 5: Conditions change, balance is upset. 425 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 6: The balance is upset, and you get too many of 426 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 6: those parasites, and it can be taxing again on the 427 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 6: system and effect survival, especially of young animals you know 428 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 6: that are already a rough time and leaving the true 429 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 6: for humans. 430 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 5: Right, it's fun, but it's also a rough time, right yeah. 431 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: And that population is so small, right, I mean, you 432 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: guys know, but there are guests. 433 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 4: I mean, what their normal range was, let's say Los 434 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 4: Angeles County all the way down to bajac ALIFTI if 435 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. 436 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: Originally ridge and now little slivers. 437 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this postal species, so guests aren't aware that 438 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 4: they really thrive in those areas that we like to 439 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 4: put our houses on the beach, you. 440 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 5: Know, so they're active. 441 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 6: Parasites like that are also challenge actually for the burying 442 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 6: owls that we are working here totally in our county, 443 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 6: the AGA recovery program and on the Mariana Islands that 444 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 6: we work on are involved in again chick fledgling survival, 445 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 6: that age where they have to leave the nest and 446 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 6: go find their own way. If there are too many parasites, 447 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 6: we know that it affects survival. 448 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: Right yeah, Because it's challenging enough to hunt when you're 449 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: a new kid. 450 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: Figure things out and if you're doing. 451 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 6: Imagine doing that when you have a poor code. And yeah, right. 452 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: I was gonna make it talk about middle school. We 453 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: all know how rough that was. You know, now that's 454 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: a parasites and the next man. I don't know if 455 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: I could have survived that. 456 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: Some people I went to middle school with would. 457 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, that's an after hours episode. 458 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 5: We'll talk about it as a family. 459 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: We will be surprised. Where's where we go here? 460 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 4: But when you were talking, friend, I was thinking, you know, 461 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 4: all the other nuances and obstacles and things we have 462 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: to think about when it sounds I'm sure beautiful and 463 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 4: simple when we say like, yes we've raised a California 464 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: condor and their human care. Yes, we were releasing him 465 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 4: out in the beautiful valleys of say and so now 466 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: that as an example, or the Grand Canyon, But that's 467 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 4: not where the story ends. There's so much more that 468 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 4: we have to invest in these animals. It's a long game, right, 469 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 4: but it's definitely worth it. 470 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 5: It is a long game. It's worth it. It's important. 471 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 6: It's exploring understanding the role of health and recovery or 472 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 6: lack of recovery, is tremendously. More and more people are 473 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 6: recognizing how important it is, and in some ways the 474 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 6: fact that we've been able to talk about is a 475 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 6: luxury problem because at least we know what the problem is. 476 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 6: There's a lot of species populations parts of the world 477 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 6: where there are no wildlife diagnostics available. In fact, you 478 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 6: know a little tidbit that you know. I don't know 479 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 6: if I'm going on too far of. 480 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: Time here, but spill the tea, spell the tea. 481 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 6: The veterinarians of the California Department Fesshion of Wildlife actually 482 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 6: for the past year now is actually using our our 483 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 6: veterinary team, our diagnostics labs, our patology team to get 484 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 6: diagnostic support for the free ranging wildlife in California because 485 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 6: it makes it's not else available and they know that 486 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 6: we have this expertise here from working with the species 487 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 6: and we've made it available to them, and so we 488 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 6: are now working with them on man. 489 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 3: Alliance. 490 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: Because it goes into that we had that catchphrase we're 491 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: all life thrives, but it's not just a catch phrase. 492 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: When we're opening our doors for other agencies who don't 493 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: have access to those tools, try and say hey, come 494 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: and do this. We gain knowledge from it, sure, but 495 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: it also helps the species we're all trying to protect. 496 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: I love the main thing, like doctor Berniska, right, I 497 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: mean not having access to wildlife. But you know we 498 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 4: have this beautiful Safari parking be able to create that 499 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: wonderful program for a frozen zoo. 500 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: This is what zeus can do, right, So that's amazing. 501 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 5: Had another layer to it. 502 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 6: So we've been talking about the things that we know, 503 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 6: our problems and what we're doing about it. And then 504 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 6: so we've talked about the California Departments Fish and Wildlife 505 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 6: knowing that they had a problem, not having the tools 506 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 6: to anything about it. A whole other level again is 507 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 6: what our organization. And then specifically about the health team 508 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 6: is in Northern Kenya, the Kenya Wildlife Service veterinarians sort 509 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 6: of the veterinarians that are responsible for all the wildlife 510 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 6: and in Kenya inside and outside national parks, had no 511 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 6: infectious disease diagnostics available to them at all. Right, So 512 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 6: we are actually, maybe it's a different podcast, we are 513 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 6: just about we are just about you know, drum rolls. 514 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 6: We have built and are equipping a wildlife diagnostic lab 515 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 6: in northern Kenya. 516 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 5: That's awesome. 517 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 6: And the customers for that lab is entirely intended to 518 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 6: be the Kenya Wildlife Service and the other Kenyan entities 519 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 6: that aren't managing wildlife and wile of conservation. So it's 520 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 6: a whole other level. They know that there are questions, 521 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 6: but they don't even know what the questions are. 522 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 5: Resource. 523 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so amazing. 524 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 4: All that's connected to the community, see right, I mean 525 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 4: we're talking about the wild that it's going to be 526 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 4: positively impacted by this, but also think of all the 527 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: human communities that are going to benefit for these studies 528 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 4: that are being done. 529 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 6: Especially in a place like Kenya, where you know, here 530 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 6: we think of there's a space where the lion lives, 531 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 6: and there's a space where we walk and there's. 532 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 5: Space lives Not true, Not true in that part of 533 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 5: the world. 534 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 6: Right, So there's really an overlap between diseases of wildlife 535 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 6: and of livestock, and so knowing what is in the livestock, knowing. 536 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 3: What is in washing because walking the same area. 537 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 5: Eating the same grass, drinking the same water, sniffing the 538 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 5: same poop. 539 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, rubbing in if they need 540 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: to mammals discussing creatures, making it the bird guy, am. 541 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 4: Stop friends here, competition, reptiles, amphibians, all at not just 542 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 4: on camera. Everyone to see that these guys are shaking 543 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: their head. That's really really great work. Actually another question 544 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 4: for you too. You know, if the younger people that 545 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 4: are listening in this audience right now, like, what would 546 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: you be recommendation for if they're interested in this kind 547 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 4: of work that you're doing here, like in the Alliance, 548 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: any like words of wisdom like look into this or 549 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 4: to that. 550 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 6: That's a whole nother podcast, right if anything. I know 551 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 6: when I started realizing this was even their possibility as 552 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 6: a profession to work with wildlife or zoo animals as 553 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 6: a veterinarian. But when you start saying that out loud, 554 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 6: people are like, you know, just this is never going 555 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 6: to happen, right, what chances you know? And little boy 556 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 6: from Belgium and they end up, I said, a veterinarian, 557 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 6: it's San Diegouz a wall the flyings. 558 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 5: So it is possible. 559 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 6: And so my point is those jobs and those opportunities 560 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 6: are out there. 561 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 5: Somebody's going to get him. It might as well be you. 562 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: Oh, go after it. 563 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: So you're in a very unique position with what you 564 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: do in a unique organization that does incredible global work. 565 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 3: What's your backstory? Film mind me asking. We always kind 566 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: of like to ask. 567 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: Our guests like how did you get to where you 568 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 2: are and doing this? Because again, your story might be 569 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: something that someone who's listening, another person from Belgium maybe. 570 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Could be like, oh, I could do that. What's your backstory? 571 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: How did you get here? 572 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 6: Gosh, you know, it's a very interesting story, not for 573 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 6: a podcast, but my track. Well, at some point when 574 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 6: I was in my teens, I always thought I wanted 575 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 6: to be a veterinarian. And then I actually read a 576 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 6: book reader his Digest, that was his story about a 577 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 6: girl in Canada I who rescued a harvesteal pup, which 578 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 6: is by the way, completely illegal. 579 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 5: She took it home and. 580 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know that she did, and the last 581 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 6: parag quess and so she went on to college and 582 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 6: studied marine biology and she's now a marine biologist. But 583 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 6: here I was like, oh my gosh, you can do this. 584 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 6: I don't want to be a veterinarian. I want to 585 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 6: be a marine biologist. And so I've actually gone back 586 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 6: and forth, ended up going to VET school, but then 587 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 6: after FAT school, did some clinical training after that, but 588 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 6: actually moved to New Zealand to do a master's in 589 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 6: marine biology, and then I. 590 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 5: Came to the US to do a PhD. 591 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 6: And they end up working as a veterinarian, and then 592 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 6: I ended up overseeing a lab. And you know, here 593 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 6: I am now to say, the zoo wild flings with 594 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 6: a fantastic health team and really fortunate. I consider myself 595 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 6: sort of the captain of the Olympic team of zoo 596 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 6: and wildft health. 597 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 5: That's awesome. 598 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: Oh, that's great, friend. 599 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: Was there anything that we didn't ask that you think 600 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: our audience should know about wildlife health and what you 601 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: do in your team? 602 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 5: No, no, I'm not surprised you brought up pooped in 603 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 5: the interview. Everybody a veterinaria, you learn a. 604 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Lot from it. 605 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: Also used to like scooping up some castwary people matter, 606 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: and that's pretty easy. 607 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: But envision like the Pacific pocket. 608 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 6: Now yeah, magnifying, Yeah, looking for it of the fair 609 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 6: sight egg, Yeah exactly. 610 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 4: But even like I was having lunch here and just 611 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 4: seeing all the different teams from our playing teams, specific 612 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 4: pocket mouths, the frog team, recruised by earlier team, But 613 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: I just love the passion for everyone. They're all I 614 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: miss those jokes and nego glad to be back now. 615 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 4: But it makes me feel really proud to be part 616 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 4: of a team like this or everyone has their passions 617 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 4: and their skill sets and apply them really effectively to 618 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 4: So kudas to you guys, and you and the teams 619 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 4: for all the work that you guys do. 620 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, thank you for telling the story. 621 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 6: You know, we are one of those departments that were 622 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 6: most of our responsibilities are at the zoo and park, 623 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 6: but our work helps make all this conservation work possible exactly, 624 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 6: just like all these other people here who volunteer or 625 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 6: work at San Diego Zuada Alliance. And then so it's 626 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 6: not just our conservation science teams, our field teams who 627 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 6: get to do this work and make it possible. Everybody 628 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 6: makes it possible and we while they're health we are 629 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 6: very fortunate that we get to straddle those worlds. You know, 630 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 6: we get to have the best of the work here 631 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 6: at home and then we get to still be impactful 632 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 6: contributors to the field programs. 633 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 3: That's so cool. 634 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: I love it. I do have one more question. 635 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: I know, that's all those two questions. 636 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: That was supposed to be the final one. But yeah, 637 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: one more question. 638 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 3: That's the way I was saying. 639 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 4: We're still talking in your experience with the Alliance, was 640 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 4: there a particular project that really stood out for you then? 641 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: Like, you know, I'm just kind of curious. 642 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks man, you know, because we've talked a 643 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 4: lot of different species, but I've read into your background. 644 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 4: You're definitely a marine animal kind of guy, right, but 645 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 4: I'm curious here in the Alliance, like, what's the one 646 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: that's kind of getting you vibe in right now? 647 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: It's getting percolating. 648 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, obviously I'll look at this from a health perspective. 649 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 6: You know, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nails. 650 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: I get that. 651 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I'm obviously sort of focused on the 652 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 6: initiatives that have a health component. I'm very excited about 653 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 6: the work we do in Kenya right now. Opening this 654 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 6: lab is maybe just a stepping stone that will make 655 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 6: all these other things possible. So that's very exciting. We're 656 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 6: going to meet with our health partners in Kenya in 657 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 6: two months and just a few weeks ago and we 658 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 6: were starting to talk about this next phase. We no 659 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 6: longer have to talk about the lab and the equipment 660 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 6: and the askephase. We can talk about what are the neats, 661 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 6: what's going wrong, where do you suspect it health issue 662 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 6: and with wildlife, and where do you expect that a 663 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 6: pathogen is hindering recovery or causing decline. So that is 664 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 6: a very exciting initiative. Personally, I'm also very proud and 665 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 6: excited about the partnership with California Department Fishing and Wildlife. 666 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 6: We'll be able to give back to our wildlife right 667 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 6: here in our beautiful not just Southern California and California statewide. 668 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 6: I think is one that makes me smile. So yeah, Kenya, 669 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 6: Fish and Wildlife, California. There's more. Trying really hard not 670 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 6: to mention any marine projects. 671 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 4: You can of meg, it's fine, all creatures great and small, 672 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 4: feathered or not feather, It's perfectly okay. No, but that's 673 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 4: really great, especially from Kenya to San Diego. It just 674 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 4: shows how unlimited the possibilities are for the kind of 675 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 4: effective work that we can do, and hopefully that really 676 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: gets guests excited to come back to the zoo, come 677 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 4: back to the Safaria Park, after hearing this particular podcast 678 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 4: episode and really try to understand some of the nuanced 679 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 4: work that we're doing here. And don't forget those tours, 680 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 4: guys are highly recommended, hard and are amazing. 681 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: It's also real quick, just really important for our members 682 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: to hear this from you. Yeah, because a lot of 683 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: times I think members know they're supporting wild life, supporting conservation, 684 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: but to hear these actual stories and to know that, Wow, 685 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 2: being a member is not only allowing me to come 686 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: and go from the Zoom Park however I want you 687 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 2: get through school, journal whatever. Yeah, but it's actually helping 688 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 2: us do things like that project you mentioned in Kenya, 689 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: which you know that's a lot of money and it's 690 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: not coming from nowhere. Our members are a big part 691 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: of making that happen. 692 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. 693 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 6: Absolutely, And if people do come to the zoo and park, 694 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 6: well not if when and if they do visit to 695 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 6: one of these behind the scenes area. If you get 696 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 6: a chance to stop by one of the hospitals, please 697 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 6: do because it'll be very telling. It'll be very compelling. 698 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 6: The quality of care and the dedication and the commitment 699 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 6: to caring for the animals that is just so obvious 700 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 6: when you walk into these facilities. 701 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 5: Is I wish we could share with everybody. 702 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an impressive hospital. It's amazing. 703 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: We're so involved in our zoo world. 704 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: Like when I go outside of the zoo world and 705 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 4: I want to talk about something like a giant handa 706 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: or a condor, that the kind of. 707 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: Look at me kind of oddly. Yeah. I really love 708 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: being around the zoo community. So I appreciate this. I 709 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: mean this, I learned a lot. So thank you so 710 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: much for Yeah, thank you very much. 711 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: We spend us some time with I know you're busy 712 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: and you're gonna be traveling soon, so I really appreciate 713 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: you sitting down with us and letting us pick your 714 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: brain on these stories. 715 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 5: Enjoyed it. Let's do it again. 716 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: I want to hear the after story. 717 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 4: Yeah right, wow, that was really great. 718 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: Right, that was amazing. 719 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, the journal is great, but being able 720 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: to talk to him adding so much more to those 721 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: stories it's in the journal about what we're doing. It's 722 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: just so cool. And it again goes back to what 723 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: we mentioned in the interview. It's like, wow, it really 724 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: makes you very proud to be a part of this 725 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: organization and really do, not just spending a day at 726 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: the park of the zoo, but then that work that 727 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: we're collaborating with fish and game, we're collaborating with Kenya 728 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: and all these other things just so amazing. 729 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: I know, and it makes me think of the possibilities. 730 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 4: I mean, we talked about, for instance, Frozen Zoo, what 731 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 4: we've done over fifty years ago. So my brain starts going, 732 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 4: what's going to happen fifty. 733 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: Years Yeah, one hundred years from now, you know. 734 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 4: So I think it makes you so excited to be 735 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: here and be part of the alliance and hopefully a guest. 736 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: Can one become a member? 737 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: Read the journal, learn more about these projects, do the tours. 738 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: They're pretty great, you know. 739 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 4: I learned about all the nuance of wildlife from the 740 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 4: tiniest little Pacific pocket mouse of this giant condor you 741 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 4: So that's really great. You know, as I'm talking, I 742 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 4: think I have an idea, but I already forgot Italy, 743 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 4: what's the next episode of Fred? 744 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: Because I want to. 745 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 4: Say maybe a little bird brain, but I want we're 746 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 4: going to. 747 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: Be staying at the Safari Park, and we are, we are. 748 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 4: And maybe we're going to celebrating a very special day 749 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: close to possibly Yeah, I think. 750 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: There's a day near the end of September with a 751 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: bird in balls. 752 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 4: Giant dinosaur looking bird right fruit, You guys figure it out, 753 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 4: but I am super super punned. I'm gonna try really 754 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 4: hard not do that bird. I know the sound right now, 755 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 4: but I'm super excited. Hopefully you got some stick around 756 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 4: and learn all about the magnificent Southern Cat. 757 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: Yes already, Mark and I Rick Schwartz, thanks for listening 758 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: and for watching. For more information about the San Diego 759 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: Zoo and San Diego Zoo Safari Park, go to SDZWA 760 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: dot org. Amazing Wildlife is a production of iHeartRadio. Our 761 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: supervising producers are Nikia Swinton and Dylan Fagan, and our 762 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: sound designers are Sierra Spreen and Matt Russell. 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