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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Republican congressman who actually was a

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Speaker 1: Democrat until pretty recently. Jeff Andrew says, We're going to

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Speaker 1: get killed in the midterms. Time to switch back, little buddy.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to talk about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's failures in the messaging wars. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to The Fight Agency's own Rebecca and Morris Kats no

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Speaker 1: relation about how Democrats can continue to win going into

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Speaker 1: the midterms. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Smiley Trump is promising a two thousand dollars tariff dividend

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Speaker 2: as the Scooter's decision looms, Adam Schiff says, the same happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Trump understands that he's in it right,

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Speaker 1: that people that he's not popular, that the polling is bad,

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Speaker 1: that the East Wing, that those optics of him destroying

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Speaker 1: the East Wing are not helping him, and so he's

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Speaker 1: just like tweeting a lot of shit. It's not tweeting,

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Speaker 1: it's truth thing. He's truth thing on his truth social

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Speaker 1: and so you see him, if you look at them

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Speaker 1: all together, they're increasingly erratic and crazy. Trump see him

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Speaker 1: like the lizard brain going back and here he is

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Speaker 1: saying that maybe he'll pay a two thousand dollars dividend

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Speaker 1: to most Americans out of the billions raised in tariffs

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Speaker 1: this year. Okay, he doesn't have the authority to do this.

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Speaker 1: He probably doesn't have the authority to do the tariffs

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Speaker 1: in the first place. You could just instead of paying people.

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Speaker 1: And again, this is like the Donald Trump post pandemic stuff, right,

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Speaker 1: like he's going to do Trump checks with Trump dollars.

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Speaker 1: Except what I don't think Donald Trump understands is he's

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Speaker 1: made everything more expensive with the tariff. So now the

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Speaker 1: idea that he's going to give people a check, it's

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Speaker 1: just completely nonsensical. But more important, besides just being nonsensical,

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Speaker 1: it is also just like he's panicking. And this sort

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Speaker 1: on the wall to see what might help his popularity,

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Speaker 1: and none of it is going to work. And it's

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Speaker 2: It really does feel like a lot of this is

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Speaker 2: that usual thing of that when he knows he's losing something.

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Speaker 2: You just see tons and tons of stupid shit, which

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Speaker 2: is why we're discussing that fat people quote unquote are

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Speaker 2: not going to be allowed to get visas and come

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Speaker 2: to America.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think the theory here is that

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Speaker 1: this is new State Department guidance encourages embassies and consulates

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Speaker 1: to deny visas to Americans with obesity or other health issues. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are countries that do this, and one of them

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Speaker 1: is Canada. Right, Like, if you want to become a

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Speaker 1: Canadian citizen, it's harder if you're older, it's harder if

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Speaker 1: you have health problems. You know why that is because

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Speaker 1: Canada has state healthcare. So if you become a Canadian

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Speaker 1: citizen and you go to the hospital, they have to

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Speaker 1: treat you. Now, America, we don't have that, right. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we you know, we have Obamacare. We have something so

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Speaker 1: sent you home with a bill for forty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: But we don't have free health care. So the idea

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Speaker 1: that somehow these people will get visas and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get free health care. Like it's putting a lot of

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Speaker 1: stupid in there. But the other thing is like, we

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Speaker 1: are not we just are not offering a lot of

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Speaker 1: visas to people, period. And so these are just making

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Speaker 1: something that's not really happening that much harder. Even so,

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by this. And again, remember this administration

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Speaker 1: point they're like, oh, what would be unpleasant for people? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, let's ban fat people. And remember that on Friday,

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Speaker 1: when Donald Trump kept falling asleep in the Oval office

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Speaker 1: and doctor Meminaz kept talking about dementia, which was just

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Speaker 1: an odd coincidence, he was there to announce his fat

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Speaker 1: shot deal. I swear to god, fat shot deal got

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Speaker 1: your pharmaceutical company is to lower the cost the popular

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Speaker 1: if you know Donald Trump, you know that everything is copying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he really loves to embarrass a fat guy.

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Speaker 2: Despite he loves.

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Speaker 1: To embarrass anyone I.

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Speaker 2: Know, but particularly I've always said he loves like a

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Speaker 2: big goombay energy. He really really loves to rub it

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, in other ridiculous things, Todd Blinch no friend of

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Speaker 2: the show whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Speak for yourself.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm sure he's DOJ's number two, and he

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Speaker 2: is framing the legal battles. The Trump administration is in

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Speaker 2: as war on judges at rogue activist judges, and he

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Speaker 2: wants young lawyers to join the fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Todd Blanche. You'll remember Todd Blanch from going to

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Speaker 1: visit Gallaine Maxwell and jail and then moving her to

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Speaker 1: a nicer prison camp facility. I don't think Todd Blanche

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Speaker 1: is doing so great. This is sort of pretty stupid crap.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think, you know, he's young lawyers

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Speaker 1: to join the administration's war. I mean, I guess maybe

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Speaker 1: if they offer them sneakers. Most of these people go

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Speaker 1: to law school to either because they want to do

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Speaker 1: what's right or because they want to make money, And

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Speaker 1: what Todd Branch is doing here is offering them jobs

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Speaker 1: in the federal government, which are like things that if

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Speaker 1: you want to make money, you're not going to do,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to do what's right, you're probably

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Speaker 1: not going to go work for Trump. And I think

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Speaker 1: this is a binary that's exploring. Here's what he says, Todd.

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Speaker 1: And remember he's at the Federalist Society conference, so he

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Speaker 1: needs you know, he's looking for another Alito, another Thomas.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to find someone who has the fortitude of

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Speaker 1: a Greg Guttfeld and the intellect too. We need you

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Speaker 1: because it is a war and it's something we will

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Speaker 1: not win unless we keep on fighting. Sure, Todd, Sure,

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Speaker 1: there is.

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Speaker 2: Some concern that Maryland may not do the redistricting that

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Speaker 2: California plans to do, and it looks like Governor Wes

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Speaker 2: Moore has dispelled any doubts that Maryland may go ahead

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, the real question is why is New

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Speaker 1: York not doing redistricting. I understand that it'll be a

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Speaker 1: longer timetable. Why doesn't Governor hokel have that as a

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Speaker 1: sort of damnicle is like saying, you know, look, if

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Speaker 1: you start redistricting, we start redistricting. I don't understand why

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Speaker 1: every blue state governor is not. Like all over the

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Speaker 1: redistricting battle, Like, you know, what Gavin Newsom did was

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Speaker 1: incredible and you know, you may not love him politically,

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Speaker 1: but like he put together a special election in three months,

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Speaker 1: raised millions of dollars to do it, and he won,

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Speaker 1: and like in the end, he showed Republicans that they

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Speaker 1: can't cheat to win, and that is real. Rick Wilson

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Speaker 1: is the founder of the Lincoln Project and the host

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Speaker 1: of the Enemy's List. Welcome back two fast politics for Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Molly John Fast.

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Speaker 3: That's always a delight to be with you.

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Speaker 1: I delight to be with you. So Trump first administration

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Speaker 1: ever to fuck with snap benefits, longest shut down ever

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Speaker 1: heading into Thanksgiving. My man just got a show lacking

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Speaker 1: in the twenty five election cycle. And the administration has

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Speaker 1: come out of it with the decision to try to

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Speaker 1: what prosecute states for trying to fill snap benefits on

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Speaker 3: Pretty much the message today has been don't feed those

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Speaker 3: starving people that were starving. I mean, and I think

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Speaker 3: it is. I think it is pretty remarkable. How how yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's exactly right. My one was good too. I think

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Speaker 3: it's pretty remarkable how we're leaving off the word children. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this because the majority of the people that are receiving

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Speaker 3: these benefits, the benefits go to their kids. If you

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Speaker 3: watch Fox, you think these people are all buying you know,

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Speaker 3: it's all like they're buying lottery tickets and mental cigarettes.

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Speaker 3: Because we're so subtle here at Fox. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: just such a racist dog whistle. But a lot of

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Speaker 3: people that are getting this are Trump supporters, Red states,

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Speaker 3: Red states, Red congressional disters and their kids.

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Speaker 1: White people in Red state, White.

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Speaker 3: White people in Red states.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you be old Rick Wilson, the one

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Speaker 1: you're tweeted about how sad you were about Dick Cheney dying.

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Speaker 1: We love you and we know that you worked with him,

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Speaker 1: and it's different when you're friends with someone. But what

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Speaker 1: are the sort of what's the political calculus on fucking

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Speaker 1: with food stamps? I mean, is that like it's this.

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Speaker 3: Is something that gives Russell Vaught a heart on and so, but.

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Speaker 1: You do have to theoretically at least win elections.

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Speaker 3: Hypothetically, But you know, they also look at elections as

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Speaker 3: sort of more optional than they used to be. But

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Speaker 3: in the case of Snap benefits, there is a.

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Speaker 1: Twofold gift looking up some data for me.

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Speaker 3: Not I'm actually not, but the Snap benefits problem is

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Speaker 3: twofold for them. One, there's a racist dog whistle. They

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Speaker 3: need to get the Trump base back in line, Okay,

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Speaker 3: even though most of the people receiving SNAP are not minorities,

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Speaker 3: not illegal immigrants, because they don't get SNAP just so

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Speaker 3: everybody knows. They need something to juice the Trump base backup,

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Speaker 3: because even with his base, Trump's numbers are down. The

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Speaker 3: second part of this is there is a exercise of

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Speaker 3: presidential authority argument being made by Russ Vott, Stephen Miller,

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Speaker 3: on this and saying that the president gets to control

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Speaker 3: all aspects of this is one more of their presidential

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Speaker 3: you know, plenary powers of the president that cannot be

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Speaker 3: the President's will override the law.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk this through, you know, government longest shut down ever? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there are certain like facts about trump Ism

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Speaker 1: that I feel like we just don't repeat enough, Like

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Speaker 1: this man is the oldest person to ever have become president, yes,

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Speaker 1: so on Friday when he kept falling asleep during things.

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Speaker 3: Which was I thought quite special.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you were you waiting for the CNN

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Speaker 1: package on that, I mean, did you want to?

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Speaker 3: You know, I was told by a number of people

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Speaker 3: that any infirmity, slowness of wit, any alteration from the

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Speaker 3: patterns of a healthy fifty year old deserved immediate, consistent,

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Speaker 3: ongoing critical media concern at every second for the rest

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Speaker 1: So what do you think the game here is? Like,

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Speaker 1: clearly Republicans did if even if they're saying, even if

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Speaker 1: they're not saying it to be true, they definitely saw

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Speaker 1: that Tuesday was fucking slacking for that.

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Speaker 3: Oh they know it. And by the way, by the way,

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Speaker 3: their own polsters are telling them, wake the fuck up,

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Speaker 3: their own polsters are telling them, this has been really

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Speaker 3: bad for you guys, because it has been. This has

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Speaker 3: been a very bad month and change for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, the harm being done to poor people

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Speaker 3: is not the point. The harm being done to their

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Speaker 3: own base is the point, and there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: of harm done to their own base.

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Speaker 1: Trump has been insane and done insane stuff. Like it's

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Speaker 1: been a decade we've seen a lot of like him

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Speaker 1: You know. There were so many news cycles that were

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Speaker 3: Right, it's all over, they're back. The phrasing that a

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Speaker 1: Right, That is true, and I think that's a really

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Speaker 3: Discuss Look, well, the real telling point there is what happened.

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Speaker 3: Now? I will say I had a lawyer, a very

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Speaker 1: Nobody is criticizing Koateenjie Brown's Brown Jackson because we know

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Speaker 3: Right, it's alternative facts. There's this idea among Republicans that

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Speaker 3: by Trump or treated at by Trump, or Laura Lumer

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Speaker 3: going after going through their garbage.

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Speaker 1: Lumreed, it's called lumered.

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Speaker 3: That moment we're in, I think I find it kind

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Speaker 3: of fascinating because we didn't believe that that that was

439
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Speaker 3: possible two years ago for people to be so consistent

440
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Speaker 3: and never an unfailingly loyal to him. Yeah, it is

441
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: breaking around the edges. Trumpism is still incredibly dangerous, and

442
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Speaker 3: there's a big movement of these billionaire a holes around

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Speaker 3: trump Ism that make whatever its successor virus is incredibly dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but guys, he falls asleep in the chair multiple times.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, will you come backck you Molly?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know I will.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Cats and Morris Cats are both political strategists at

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Speaker 1: the Fight Agency. Rebecca Cats Morris Cats no relation. Both

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Speaker 1: you guys are from the Fight Agency, which has birthed

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Speaker 1: many progressive candidates. But Morris, I want you to talk

451
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Speaker 1: about how you got involved in the mayor's race.

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Speaker 4: I got involved in the mayor's race about a year

453
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Speaker 4: and a half ago. Now, in April of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: We're in the midst of kind of the twenty four

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Speaker 4: cycle working on and I was working Damn Osborne's raised

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Speaker 4: Rebecca's working on in Rubin Diego, and that I'd heard

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Speaker 4: rumors that Zorn was considering Iran. Did not know him

458
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Speaker 4: personally at all, and even like politically, it was just

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Speaker 4: kind of vaguely aware of him and was initially relatively skeptical,

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Speaker 4: but then he had, you know, someone put us on

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Speaker 4: our tech star together. He asked to have coffee, and

462
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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going to say no to him,

463
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Speaker 4: and sat down and within like two minutes it was

464
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Speaker 4: it was like I love at first sight, kind of

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Speaker 4: kind of experienced fuickly, kind of taken by him.

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Speaker 1: What made you think this guy is a candidate that

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Speaker 1: can win.

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Speaker 4: The first thing he talked about was, at the time,

469
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Speaker 4: a lot of public polling had public safety as the

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Speaker 4: top issue, and he had this kind of theory that

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Speaker 4: what that was was not a reflection of voters not

472
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Speaker 4: caring about the affordability crisis, but it was a reflection

473
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Speaker 4: of voters having given up on government's ability to do

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Speaker 4: something to address that affordability crisis, and that you could

475
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Speaker 4: run a campaign clearly oriented around addressing that crisis, with

476
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Speaker 4: clear and digestible ideas about how to do so, and

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Speaker 4: with a kind of broader narrative of that it's government's

478
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Speaker 4: responsibility to address this.

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Speaker 1: That you could break through.

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Speaker 4: And there was such a kind of strong, unique take

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Speaker 4: and also was struck by and I think this is

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Speaker 4: something that kind of New Yorkers were struck by the

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Speaker 4: last year. His sincerity, his ability to listen, his presence,

484
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Speaker 4: which is just, you know, all all too uncommon among

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Speaker 4: people who run for office. And I walked out of

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Speaker 4: a meeting and him like, you know, I came in

487
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Speaker 4: skeptical and I'm all in. And that was forty five

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Speaker 4: minute meeting. And we have a year and a half

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Speaker 4: to make that case to New Yorkers.

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Speaker 5: And Mollie, you and I have talked a lot about

491
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Speaker 5: like how old democratic elected officials are, but we've never

492
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Speaker 5: really talked about how old the consulting class is around them. Right,

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Speaker 5: And one of the interesting things here is Morris called

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Speaker 5: me very soon after he met was Ron and said,

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Speaker 5: you know, you got to meet with him. He's incredible.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, what what are you talking? Like? No,

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Speaker 5: you know, like I don't. I was busy trying to

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Speaker 5: win Arizona. I'm like, yet, you know the democratic So

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Speaker 5: like we got we have to focus on the big stuff.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I am over two decades older than Morris,

501
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Speaker 5: and but we are. We are partners at the same

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Speaker 5: at fight agency together and he he saw it and

503
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Speaker 5: then he helped us see it, do you know what

504
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Speaker 5: I mean? And I think if we're gonna win the future,

505
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 5: we have to be a little bit curious about the

506
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Speaker 5: kind of candidates and campaigns that are different, and we

507
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 5: haven't seen that in a while. So, like I have

508
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Speaker 5: said that, Zorn and Morris are kind of each other's

509
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Speaker 5: muses in a way that they feed off each other

510
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Speaker 5: and they have big, kind of fun ideas and we

511
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Speaker 5: need more of that in democratic politics. So it's been

512
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Speaker 5: really fun.

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Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting is because we're thinking, we're

514
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Speaker 1: talking about Ruben, and like, Ruben is young the way

515
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Speaker 1: we're young. Right, He's in his forties, and I'll take

516
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Speaker 1: it right exactly. And I think they're both very young,

517
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Speaker 1: We're very young. But what I think is interesting and

518
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Speaker 1: this actually gets to something that so I was doing

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Speaker 1: this event and very smart CNN and was saying that

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Speaker 1: she had she team taught a class at a at

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Speaker 1: a politics institute and she had a student bring in.

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Speaker 1: She had the students bring in their favorite ads of

523
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Speaker 1: the cycle. And these two students brought in this Soorian

524
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Speaker 1: ad and they were like, this is the greatest ad ever.

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Speaker 5: Which one was it?

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, I have no idea. They played it and

527
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Speaker 1: she was like, this ad is the worst thing I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen. And wait, it gets better. And she realized

529
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Speaker 1: the ad wasn't for her, it was for people in

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Speaker 1: their twenties, and that she just couldn't get it because

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Speaker 1: and she had this whole theory that what Zorian had

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Speaker 1: done was go first to the people in their twenties

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Speaker 1: and then go up. Is that true?

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Speaker 4: Discuss Yeah, it's absolutely kind of was a We knew

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Speaker 4: that that would always be the path, was establishing a

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Speaker 4: strong base of youth support and kind of building up

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Speaker 4: from there once you cleared the viability threshold, which could

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Speaker 4: be reached. By building that base of support, then you

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Speaker 4: had other people to start taking a lot And I think,

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Speaker 4: particularly in the primary, there's always this kind of belief

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Speaker 4: that if we could get to the place where people

542
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Speaker 4: started us to think we were the alternative to Andrew Cmo,

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Speaker 4: then we could get a serious look and then people

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Speaker 4: would start to engage with Zorn as he actually is,

545
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Speaker 4: not as the kind of New York Posts or Andrew

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Speaker 4: Coma would want to make him out to be. And

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Speaker 4: I think there's also just this element of so often

548
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Speaker 4: in politics we kind of talk about and dismissed the

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Speaker 4: ideas of young people showing up to vote or turning

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Speaker 4: out new voters, and we overemphasize the kind of everything

551
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Speaker 4: becomes a focus on persuading like seven you know, suburban

552
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Speaker 4: homeowners in the Philadelphia and there's no imagination of what's

553
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Speaker 4: possible and if you actually invest in make a real effort.

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Speaker 4: In so much the way when we talk about turning

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Speaker 4: out young people want talk about running out immigrant communities.

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Speaker 4: A lot of the same people showed up on Tuesday

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Speaker 4: for Zoran. It's an afterthought in the election. It's like, Hey,

558
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Speaker 4: the elections in three weeks, let's go do a goot

559
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Speaker 4: event with some young person, and that's not the actual

560
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Speaker 4: way to do it. And what we were do is

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Speaker 4: by starting early, building a real sense of community where

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Speaker 4: young people saw themselves in this campaign, they sawt ownership

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Speaker 4: of it, and that was able to grow and extend.

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Speaker 5: And I think Zoron was for zoomers what Obama was

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Speaker 5: for millennials, you know what I mean, Like there was

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Speaker 5: there was a candidate there who was offering actual hope

567
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Speaker 5: and excitement, and it was there was this feeling of

568
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Speaker 5: community out on the campaign trail. And you got to

569
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Speaker 5: understand the Cuomo campaign had so much hate and xenophone

570
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Speaker 5: like it was just you would every time you turned

571
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Speaker 5: on the TV, it was just like pictures of the

572
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Speaker 5: Twin Towers and the word jihad, and then they would

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Speaker 5: say Zorn is hijacking the party like it was ugly

574
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Speaker 5: at possible shit. And Zoran was out there saying let's

575
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Speaker 5: go do a scavenger hunt, everybody, let's go have fun,

576
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Speaker 5: and people felt that, you know what I mean, it

577
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Speaker 5: was exciting.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca. I want you to go on the consultant class

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Speaker 1: for another minute, because before this I was talking to

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls and I wore buddies. And you know, all

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Speaker 1: I want out of the twenty four cycle is for

582
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Speaker 1: that crew to admit that the consultant class completely screwed

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Speaker 1: them up every which way. I haven't gotten it yet,

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Speaker 1: but I think that well, but explain to us what

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Speaker 1: it is that the consultant class is doing to the

586
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party and why it and just why you sort

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Speaker 1: of how why, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there is there's this apprehension to take risks

589
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 5: right that, and I think playing it safe is probably

590
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: the riskiest thing we could do right now. Right like

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Speaker 5: we are, we have we are fighting on so many levels,

592
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Speaker 5: like we are fighting the most horrible things. I got

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Speaker 5: into politics because I was a political junkie. Right, it

594
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 5: was supposed to be fun. Some of the stuff is

595
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 5: not fun anymore. Like it is it is It is

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Speaker 5: like the future of the party, like the weight on

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Speaker 5: your shoulders and the countually. Yeah, no, it's it's of course,

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Speaker 5: it's very it's it's a lot. And I think there

599
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: is just this willingness to go for some of these

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Speaker 5: bland candidates because they're not going to rock the boat

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Speaker 5: and they're not going to offend anybody, and so like

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Speaker 5: given the choice between the worst possible extreme Republican and

603
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Speaker 5: like a milk toast Democrat. The Democratic powers that they

604
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Speaker 5: are just say like, let's let's give a milk toast, right,

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Speaker 5: And I think we're saying, you got to give people

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Speaker 5: something to vote for. You've got to give people a

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Speaker 5: reason to come out to to you know, to mobilize,

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Speaker 5: to knock on doors, to just feel something. And those

609
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Speaker 5: are the kind of candidates we like at fight like

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Speaker 5: those are. That's that's the people we like to vote

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Speaker 5: work for. You know, we like we need to get

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Speaker 5: up in the morning too and do our jobs right.

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Speaker 5: We want to do it for someone we believe in.

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Speaker 4: I also think there's an issue of it to your point,

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Speaker 4: it's total lack of accountability among the consultant class of

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Speaker 4: there's just a real culture of failing off boards that

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Speaker 4: becomes you know, an excuse one even among like the

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Speaker 4: Quomo team of like you have people, do you know,

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Speaker 4: the same people responsible for covering up nursing home deaths

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Speaker 4: and intimidating victims of sexual harassment are then welcome back

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Speaker 4: into the party to run a camp pain for mayor

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Speaker 4: And there's no accountability. And I think it's you know,

623
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Speaker 4: reads this kind of corruption and incompetence that then the

624
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: average voter is looking at and it feels icky. It

625
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Speaker 4: doesn't pass the smell test. It feels like it's coming

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Speaker 4: from you know, sleazy human beings. And there should be

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Speaker 4: we should hold the consulting class to the same standards

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Speaker 4: we hold other public officials too. Of you know, there

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Speaker 4: should be ethical standards. They should be in this for

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Speaker 4: the right reasons, and there's just a real absence of

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Speaker 4: that right now.

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Speaker 1: I actually had the experience of having a consultant who

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Speaker 1: did both those things introduce herself to me, and I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking to myself, but you know, I've read a book,

635
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Speaker 1: so I know who you are. You know, we never

636
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Speaker 1: met a person, and I said, yes, we have not.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really important. I also want you to

638
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Speaker 1: sort of debunk conventional wisdom. I think you both should

639
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Speaker 1: weigh in on this. There is a feeling I think

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Speaker 1: it's very destructive in the party of like Dorian's going

641
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Speaker 1: to hurt you know, Michigan's Senate candidates, or he's gonna

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Speaker 1: so talk us through the id.

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Speaker 5: The worst thing that we can do as a party

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Speaker 5: is kind of let like twists in the wind and

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Speaker 5: try and like be distant and just say he doesn't

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Speaker 5: speak for me, Like we look weak. What we saw

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Speaker 5: from Chuck Schumer of the many many months of hemming

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Speaker 5: and hung and having conversations with Zoron and never making

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Speaker 5: and endorsement in the.

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Speaker 1: Right but was happy to afort endorse Eric Adams.

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Speaker 5: Right, what I'm saying is like we look weak. We

652
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Speaker 5: are allowed like Ruben Diego one, you know, over performed

653
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Speaker 5: in Arizona one by overperformed Harris by eight points and

654
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Speaker 5: it's a red state now, and he still said, you know,

655
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Speaker 5: Zoraman done. He was focused on affordability, Like we can

656
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Speaker 5: all agree that we should maybe focus more on coming costs.

657
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Speaker 5: That's not a hard argument to make, and yet Democratic

658
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Speaker 5: leaders refuse to do that. And then just got asked

659
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Speaker 5: that every single press conference, are you gonna endorse zor

660
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Speaker 5: On yet? Like they it's like comms one oh one,

661
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Speaker 5: totally right. We can do better, just be stronger. It

662
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Speaker 5: is good for all Democrats if the mayor of New

663
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Speaker 5: York succeeds and being a good mayor, and we should

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Speaker 5: all be invested in that, Like why is that so hard?

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Speaker 5: Helping people should not be so hard? It should not

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Speaker 5: be controversial.

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Speaker 4: It's this kind of bullshit like fallacy of the big

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Speaker 4: tent party and look in by the big like the

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Speaker 4: way so many elected Democrats and how the Democratic establishment

670
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Speaker 4: uses the term big tent party. Is really what they're

671
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Speaker 4: saying is we can have as big a tent as

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Speaker 4: is needed for cowardice if you're not answer questions, if

673
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Speaker 4: you're going to take money from corporations and lobbyists and

674
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Speaker 4: apac anyone is allowed. But if it's actually about taking

675
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Speaker 4: courageous stands, suddenly we're going to shrink that tent. It's

676
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Speaker 4: like we need a party big enough for Zaron Lomdani

677
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Speaker 4: and for Jared Golden, but we all of these people

678
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Speaker 4: who are just keeping seats warming Congress. And I think

679
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: it's the issue that extends even beyond Zoran is these

680
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Speaker 4: people who claim to want to win at any expense

681
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Speaker 4: actually could give less of a shit about winning. They

682
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Speaker 4: care about is holding on to power. Because when you

683
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Speaker 4: look at actual polling, we see poll after poll tells

684
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Speaker 4: us Bernie Sanders is the most popular Democrat in the country.

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Speaker 4: We see it in swing stats. Then you get on

686
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Speaker 4: these calls, you know, with other consultants or you hear

687
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Speaker 4: the way people in leadership talk about him, and it's like, there,

688
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Speaker 4: he's a leech on the party.

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Speaker 3: It was like, no, he's the.

690
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Speaker 4: Most popular person. Same thing with AOC, same thing goes on.

691
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Speaker 4: You know who the least popular Democrat in the country is,

692
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Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer? Why are suddenly scared of Bernie Sanders campaigning

693
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Speaker 4: around when people like him, he brings out huge crowds,

694
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Speaker 4: and we act like he's the embarrassed And then when

695
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Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer has like a favorability rating that I could

696
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Speaker 4: count on my fingers, it's a joke.

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Speaker 3: Do you then?

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Speaker 1: I want you to also talk about veep speech. So

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Speaker 1: I have this theory that one of the great crimes

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Speaker 1: of Obama, I'm gonna this is a whole theory, is.

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Speaker 5: That he don't get us in trouble here.

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Speaker 1: Mine it was that he was such a good and

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Speaker 1: compelling speaker that whatever he said made sense, So we

704
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Speaker 1: could say anything and it was it made sense, it

705
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Speaker 1: was good, it was smart. And then Democrats were like, well,

706
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Speaker 1: we can all do that. And so what you had

707
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Speaker 1: was you had a lot of people pretending to be him,

708
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Speaker 1: but the problem was just because you imitated him didn't

709
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Speaker 1: mean you were as good as speaker as he was.

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Speaker 1: And so what you would find is you'd find sort

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Speaker 1: of that would get more and more removed from actual speak,

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Speaker 1: you know, actual speaking into sort of a non speaking speaking,

713
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Speaker 1: and that gets us to a sort of veep speak.

714
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Speaker 1: And we saw that. We've seen that again and again

715
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Speaker 1: and again. And I'm talking about Viep the show like

716
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Speaker 1: you know where you just it's a Merara ka and

717
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Speaker 1: you know you have the mayor and the ka and

718
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Speaker 1: you put them together and it just you're just full of.

719
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Speaker 5: Bustering demo guys haven't put any emphasis on actually having

720
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Speaker 5: good messengers or a good message, right, Like what Zoramandami

721
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Speaker 5: had done so well is he was able to able

722
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Speaker 5: to communicate a really compelling message and then stay on

723
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Speaker 5: message and talk about a city you can afford every

724
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Speaker 5: single day of the campaign, right. And normally Democrats get

725
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Speaker 5: criticized on something and they completely change their approach because

726
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Speaker 5: like forbid, they get criticism. And Zorn just kept building

727
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Speaker 5: and building and building, and he was he's so compelling.

728
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Speaker 5: He's compelling in a room, he's compelling, you know when

729
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Speaker 5: he's on your phone on TV, like he is he

730
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Speaker 5: can't just he's good at it, but he's also saying

731
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Speaker 5: something substantive. And somewhere along the way, we forgot how

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Speaker 5: to be substantive. Right, We just had these like poll

733
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Speaker 5: tested like things that just like don't mean anything, you know,

734
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Speaker 5: like it just like we just have to be better

735
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Speaker 5: than that. We have to we have to have empathy

736
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Speaker 5: and compassion and like we have to feel something. You know,

737
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Speaker 5: what we were able to do in Arizona last cycle

738
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Speaker 5: with Reuben Diego it was because he like he gave

739
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Speaker 5: a shit, right, and people see that.

740
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Speaker 4: So many politicians have started to just play punnit. Yeah,

741
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Speaker 4: like when you talk, what they're doing is analyzing politics, right,

742
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Speaker 4: like as if they don't have an active role to

743
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: and you know, but they're like, well, there is an

744
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Speaker 4: affordability crisis. And it's like it's not enough to just

745
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 4: say there's an affordability crisis. What are you person who's

746
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Speaker 4: in an actual position of power going to do about

747
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Speaker 4: the affordability crisis? And also are you willing to name

748
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Speaker 4: an enemy? Maybe's not happening by accident, and people aren't

749
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Speaker 4: stupid and you can't tell someone, hey, you're being fucked,

750
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Speaker 4: but I'm not going to tell you who's fucking you

751
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: doesn't really work, and so much of that is like

752
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Speaker 4: the way these politicians will talk about It's like there's

753
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Speaker 4: an affordability crisis. Things aren't good and they should be better.

754
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Speaker 4: It's like, well, I need a little bit more than that.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Katz and Morris Katz. My next question for you

756
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Speaker 1: is a question that I get all the time because

757
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Speaker 1: I'm Jewish, and I'm going to tell you I take

758
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Speaker 1: no pleasure to report I'm fancy. And so all my

759
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Speaker 1: friends are mad at me because they know that Zorin.

760
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Speaker 5: So we tell you about our friends.

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Speaker 1: They know that Zorin is anti Semitic. So I said, well,

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Speaker 1: how is he anti Semitic? No, he is, Well, how

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Speaker 1: we just know because of global izantifix So I said, well,

764
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Speaker 1: he didn't say that. It was debunked, and actually Kristin

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Speaker 1: Jilibrien had to apologize when she said she did. She did.

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Speaker 1: So I said, well, so what other anti No, I

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Speaker 1: just know he's anti Semitic. Well, how do you know

768
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Speaker 1: he's anti Semitic? Because I know what that.

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Speaker 4: I think there's an interesting lesson here that oftentimes when

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Speaker 4: we look at the kind of misinformation that has become

771
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Speaker 4: so prevalent on the right and the way many of

772
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Speaker 4: the same people will talk about, you know, the cousin

773
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Speaker 4: who's a maga person or something right like, oh, well,

774
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Speaker 4: they're just not getting the truth. They're just hearing the

775
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Speaker 4: Fox News talking points. They're looking at Bribert. And I

776
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Speaker 4: think in many ways we saw that take place in

777
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Speaker 4: this mayor's race, where there was just a totally distorted,

778
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Speaker 4: disconnected from reality version of z On that was being

779
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Speaker 4: portrayed to a lot of people. And I think he

780
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Speaker 4: handled it with integrity and grace throughout the entirety of

781
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Speaker 4: the campaign. And I also think that there's a general

782
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Speaker 4: issue in the way that kind of the issue of

783
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Speaker 4: Israel plays out in these races, where and then kind

784
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Speaker 4: of the social media culture where you know, Zoron held

785
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Speaker 4: his total of zero press conferences around the issue of Israel,

786
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Speaker 4: but inherently then he's asked about it, he answers it,

787
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Speaker 4: it's clipped, and then you have people be like, well,

788
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Speaker 4: why is he talking about Israel all the time, And

789
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Speaker 4: it kind of creates this echo chamber that's really being

790
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Speaker 4: constructed by the media, constructed by these fears that are

791
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Speaker 4: coming from bad faith actors. And again, part of the

792
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Speaker 4: reason that I think, like, you know, Andrew Cuomo should

793
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Speaker 4: be you know, banished from ever being in the political

794
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: realm ever again is he ran an entire campaign for

795
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Speaker 4: a year with the sole goal of fear mongering and

796
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Speaker 4: dividing the city. And he pushed this work. He put

797
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Speaker 4: it out relentlessly.

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Speaker 5: Say Malia didn't work because you know, over a million

799
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Speaker 5: people came together and voted for Zoram on day, and

800
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Speaker 5: many of them Jewish voters who rejected being called anti

801
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Speaker 5: Semitic or yeah it was people saw right through it,

802
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 5: and that should be a lesson to all future candidates

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Speaker 5: to like, stop trying the ship because it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: It worked some places, it didn't work on.

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Speaker 5: Am I working your neighbor. What I'm saying is, yet,

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Speaker 5: I do think there's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: My husband and I we looked for the map and

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00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: we were like, we gotta move. Really, this is not

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Speaker 1: come to Brooklyn.

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Speaker 5: The water's warm, like, come on over. But I just,

811
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Speaker 5: I mean, I do think it is unfortunate that so

812
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 5: many Jewish voters really believe the worst of him when

813
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 5: we know him to be a lovely man who cares

814
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Speaker 5: deep and it's hard to keep being like even you know,

815
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Speaker 5: like from friends, like getting like some pretty vile like

816
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Speaker 5: he he must hate me, and I'm like, he actually

817
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 5: loves everybody, like he's he's pretty cool. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And the joke is the people who I knew, who

819
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Speaker 1: knew him from growing up, from going to Bank Street,

820
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Speaker 1: were like, he's the greatest ever, Like we love him.

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Speaker 1: He's adorable, like we knew him, you know. And that

822
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Speaker 1: was the but you know again, like that yes, they

823
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Speaker 1: I mean they tried.

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Speaker 5: To utter him, Molly, they really did. And he's a kid,

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Speaker 5: He's a New York City kid. He went to wrong Science,

826
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Speaker 5: Like what are we doing here?

827
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Speaker 1: Like what do we do well?

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Speaker 4: It's an opportunity for some reflection of the city of

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's a reality that we treat Islamophobia

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Speaker 4: differently than we treat other forms of racism. That there's

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Speaker 4: a far more leeway for islampophobia and acceptance of it

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Speaker 4: and the kind of mainstream dialogue of our city, even

833
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Speaker 4: in our party, than there is for any similar form

834
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Speaker 4: of racism. And I think that hopefully it's a Rebecca's

835
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Speaker 4: point like that was overwhelmingly rejected by the voters of

836
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Speaker 4: New York, and I think can be a nice turning

837
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Speaker 4: page for the city of that There's not room for

838
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 4: that anymore.

839
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Speaker 1: I kept you guys too long, though. I'm really glad

840
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Speaker 1: we talked about this, because this is like the fact

841
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Speaker 1: that somehow Islamophobia is still okay. I mean, as a Jew,

842
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Speaker 1: I'm just like you guys, it's the same as anti Semitism.

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Speaker 5: It's not any I will say when spoke out about

844
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Speaker 5: it after all the attacks and he did a space

845
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Speaker 5: and he talked about Islamophobia, he got hit for that,

846
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Speaker 5: But I will say a lot of people felt seen

847
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Speaker 5: in his remarks, like he stood up for a lot

848
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Speaker 5: of people who have never had anyone stand up for

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Speaker 5: them before.

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Speaker 1: Just one last question, what do you guys watch it?

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Speaker 1: You got were coming up on twenty twenty six? Do

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Speaker 1: you have are you what are you seeing? Just vibes? Whatever, candidates,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, just two seconds.

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Speaker 4: Well, Graham, Plattner and Maine. I think is a really

855
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Speaker 4: really exciting candidate who's some of his are om and

856
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Speaker 4: just in the sense of what he's bringing out of

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Speaker 4: keep with seeing people who've been on the sidelines of

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Speaker 4: politics showing up excited, believing again. I think Nathan Sage

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Speaker 4: and Iowa someone who's you know, not a politician, someone

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Speaker 4: who's able to bring in people who haven't been a

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Speaker 4: part of it, someone who understands how broken the status

862
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Speaker 4: quo is. And there are a number of different house

863
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Speaker 4: races across the country. Randy Vaios, Paige Trognetti, Bob Brooks's

864
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: people who just understand what's wrong with Washington. They can

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Speaker 4: credibly take on a broken status quo. I think that's

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Speaker 4: going to really break through in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: And I would add to the list. Abdulla El sayed

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Speaker 5: out and Michigan is saying a lot of really great things.

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Speaker 5: It's time to get a doctor in the Senate who

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Speaker 5: can actually throw down against RFK Junior. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you guys, They're no no moment full time. Rick Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Mama drunk fast?

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Speaker 3: Is it that time?

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Speaker 1: It is the time? It's the top of times. What

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Speaker 1: is your moment of fuck right?

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Speaker 3: My moment of fuckery today is that Sean Duffy, without

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Speaker 3: seeming to have any self awareness, alls like well, ten

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Speaker 3: to fifteen air traffic controllers are retiring every day. Why

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Speaker 3: would that be, Sean, can you stretch that big brain

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Speaker 3: ears their son to try to figure out why that's happening.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, it's because they've been working without salaries for

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Speaker 3: a month in the most stressful, conceivable work you can imagine,

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Speaker 3: where there lives of hundreds of people or thousands of

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Speaker 3: people every day are in their hands. You don't want

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Speaker 3: to pay them, so you think they're stressed out for

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Speaker 3: no reason? Is that what it is? He has become,

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Speaker 3: to my mind, an exemplar of the sort of low

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Speaker 3: end shittiness of this administration because you know, here's a

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Speaker 3: reality TV star. He's going to be good on TV.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, Okay, he's honestly the case against white men,

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Speaker 1: right Like, what is the I mean, these guys they

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Speaker 1: are not sending their best.

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Speaker 3: I was told that they are not sending their best.

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Speaker 3: That is a fact, right there.

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Speaker 1: No. Look, you know, Sean Duffy, whenever we talk about

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Speaker 1: the shutdowns in FOREMA, remember that the brave men and

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Speaker 1: women of ICE, and I mean that meant to be

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Speaker 1: ironically at all parts those guys are still making money.

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Speaker 3: If you're an ICE member, you are still getting paid, and.

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Speaker 1: Your student loans are still forgiven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and their student loans are forgiven as we record this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know when the shutdown is going to end,

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Speaker 3: but at some point the pressure on the Republicans will

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Speaker 3: reach a level they can't breach anymore, and I hope

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Speaker 3: it's soon, because there are people like these air traffic

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Speaker 3: controller folks who do a thankless fucking job, a hard

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Speaker 3: and thingless job, who should be paid for the work

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Speaker 3: they do, as should, as should all Americans as a rule.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, You're welcome. As always, that's it.

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