1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: What's up? Motherfucker's Hi? How are you my friends? How's 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: it going? Donald and I just played tennis? We did. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm hurting right now, are you sure? Yeah? I've been 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: where I'm on this real hard workout kick. You know 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: we lost weight. By the way, you look good. I 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: gotta get skinnier. I gotta get down a little bit more. 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: But I want I want you to know that I 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: see that you're looking good. Good work. I'm putting the working. 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Like if I missed peloton, I'm going to the I 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: go all right, so look, I go to this gym 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: unbreakable performance. I gotta shout him out because I've been 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: going there for so long and they have an outdoor 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: facility right now that's really dope. And I've been, you know, 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: putting the work in lifting weights. You know. Uh, they're 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, they're really safe. I've been 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: boxing and stuff. You know. I can't stay at home 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: and motivate myself enough to work out every day. So 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the peloton is great. Cody. I love you, bro, Thank 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: you so yet. I don't know that Cody listens yet. 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: Done even if he doesn't, I love you, Bro, Thank 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: you so much. Like for real man, Cody is gonna 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, these Peloton instructors are 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: gonna be like Peloton famous man. That's real talk. I 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: really want to have it. I want to hang out 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: with Cody one day that great. Appreciate him. I appreciate him, 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: and I appreciate unbreakable performance. Thank you guys for it, 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for helping me, you know, start this journey again. Joke, 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: I joke about it, and I say, you know, in 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: my next comeback, after this comeback, I'll get really ripped. Well, 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: you look good and I know that it's hard, and 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm at it. I'm working at it two and I 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: gotta say that. So Donald is that person. Maybe you 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 1: listeners have a friend who cannot play tennis for years 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: and then come back and be doing like trick shots 35 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: behind his head, and everyone else that's been taking lessons 36 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: the whole time is like, oh Jesus, you played really 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: well today, man, the most consistent out of everyone. Time. 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: I want, I want m v P. According to Chris 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: our teacher, definitely Chris crab shout out. Definitely were m 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: v P today. You won a lot of your games. 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm just in my head, you know, I have a 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: a sports tick. Is that it is that what you 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: call it? No, I'm what you call it when you 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: have a mind thing with my forehand. You saw like 45 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I was running around my forehend to get to my 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: back hand because I'm just like in a my head 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: about my forehand. It's sucked up, but so I run 48 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: around it. And bizarrely, most people have more trouble with 49 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: your back hand my back hands consistent. You need to 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: work on your forehand. But I know, bro, I know, 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: but I'm telling you that I get into a groove 52 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: with it. You sound like country clubs country club snobs. 53 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: You need to focus on your forehead. But though appreciate 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: I thought the fans would appreciate that I'm talking about 55 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: sports for a second. I uh, you know, I just 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: there's times where I can hit it fine, I'm just 57 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: in my head about it. Blah blah blah. You gotta 58 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: you just gotta work on your forehand. You work on 59 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: your forehand. You're golden, dude. I know I'm gonna get good. 60 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: That was fun. I love Tennis. Um I gotta high. 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I gotta start off the show just by telling everyone 62 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: to watch the bill. The Eilish documentary. It's on Apple 63 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: and it was amazing. I haven't seen it. It's incredible. 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: I knew I don't want anything about Bill the Eilish 65 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: other than you know her her hit songs and that 66 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: she won all those Grammys. This documentarian follows her. Our R. J. 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: Cutler is his name. He did a he's a famous documentarian, 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and he followed her for a year, the Key year 69 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: where she like, there's footage of them recording in her 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: brothers Phineas's bedroom all the way through to them winning 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: all the Grammys. And I haven't I have a question, 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: but let me just tell you that, you know some 73 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: documentaries you feel like, oh, this is just a fucking 74 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: pr bullshit. She really gave the whole family gave this 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: documentarian such access and and it just is really special. 76 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: I love documentaries and I love music documentaries, and I'm 77 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: telling you all to watch this. And what an incredible 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: family she has. Her parents are incredible, her brother's incredible. 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: I just I've been thinking about it all day. It's 80 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: one of those I highly recommend it. How did they 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: know she was gonna blow up like that? Though, Like, 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't they like, how would they bet? This is the 83 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: crazy thing. How do you document something like that before 84 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: you know what's going to be. I think no, because 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: I'll answer that because there was an album before that 86 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: was getting her insane traction, not the one that not 87 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: the one that made her a global name and one 88 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: hundred Grammys, but before she was becoming like everywhere, and 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: the kids, you know, young kids were just downloading and 90 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: streaming her song incessantly. She had a lot of her 91 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: Instagram followers were climbing like this, and so they obviously 92 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: knew something was cooking. So and you know, and you 93 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: see her, you see her. She's doing small venues, but 94 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: they're selling out and and then but she's literally the 95 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: whole album is made on a laptop and a piano 96 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: and mike in her brother's fucking tiny bedroom. She's talented also, 97 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: but he's you know, he's he won producer, he won 98 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: Producer of the Year. That you think about this was 99 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: its crazy about I love these stories, dude. They're they're 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: just a brother and sister. You know, they're just really 101 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: good friends. They love music. They've been playing music their 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: whole lives. Their parents got them into music. They're just 103 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: sitting in his bedroom writing songs and then this guy 104 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: wins Producer of the Year, beating out people in zillion 105 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: dollar studios with all the fancy musicians in the world. 106 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: And this young girl, she's seventeen years old when this 107 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: is being shot, and her voice, I had no idea. 108 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know enough about Billy Eilish, but 109 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: her voice is incredible, and he's the mastermind producer. They 110 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: write it together. I don't know. I sound like I'm 111 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: the press agent for this documentary, but I'm telling you, 112 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: and you can watch you. If you're listening and you 113 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: have teenagers, you can watch you with them. There's not 114 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: a single, you know, r rated thing in it, and 115 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: it's fucking awesome. And her parents are inspirational, like they're 116 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: so supportive, and it's just it's great. Speaking of tennis, 117 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: Richard Kind is an amazing tennis player and this show, 118 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: well he's only really good at his serve, but he's here. 119 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Should we count in and then bring him in? Guys, 120 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: we have Richard Kind. Let's beat it up, all right? 121 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Donald counting stories about sure, we made about a bunch 122 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: of nurses stories around around all right. We're very thrilled, everybody, 123 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about Richard Kind. Let's bring 124 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: him in. Uh. We we love Richard Kind and we 125 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: finally got him. What are you laughing about, Daniel? Just what? 126 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry the message of the Joe els I'm sorry. 127 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: I know he said it to me. I just I'm sorry. 128 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Richard is concerned his curse or on his computer will 129 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: work because they switched over to his tablet, so he 130 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: should be good. We can let him. I've been on 131 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: the phone with Richard while you guys were doing your 132 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: interesting I was wondering what all the faces were for. 133 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: You were like so nervous. I just assume she was 134 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: watching Rebels on the other Tad Richard Kind. Everybody living 135 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: fucking legend. Yeah, looking good too, guys, Richard. That's Joel 136 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: and Daniel, our producers. How are you, Richard Kind. I'm 137 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: gonna tell you. We've been doing this podcast and the 138 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: mantra of everyone is like, fuck all those other people, 139 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: forget that Bill Lawrence, bring me Richard Kind. Let me 140 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: tell you something. My friend Rick Builder and his son 141 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: Jeff Yea. You know, there's a podcast about Scrubs, and 142 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: you call them and tell them you want to be 143 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: on I go. They'll call if I call that's me me, 144 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: and that's me wanting attention. I said, you're so funny, Richard, 145 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: I guess gust of all. Let me tell you, I'm 146 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: very happy and thrilled to be on this. But it's 147 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: so nice to see you guys. It's good to see 148 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: you too. I love you. Guys. We played We played 149 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: golf together, Richard and I for a couple of holes. Actually, 150 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: you're a very good golfer. You I am not. You 151 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: take your time. I used to be a very good golfer. 152 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: I used to be very smart. There are lots of 153 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: things that have dissipated over the years. But wait, Richard, 154 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: are you genuinely good at tennis? Because in this episode 155 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: your service ridiculously on fire? In what episode? Um, we 156 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: are talking about the episode of Scrubs that we're talking about. 157 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: Did you watch it by any chance? I haven't seen Scrubs. 158 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: I haven't seen years. It's a great show. Well, don't 159 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: worry talking about are you Are you on a show 160 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: right now? You do a show right now? Yes, I 161 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: am the costco of acting all over the place and 162 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: I come see and if I'm honest, show you get 163 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: well paid. Right Yeah? Well yeah, but it's the guests 164 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: on the show. Oh we throw the habio. Oh you're 165 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: so bud, You're wonderful. Here are a couple of quarters, 166 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: like a little monkey with a cop Oh my god. Well, Richard, 167 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that you were on an episode 168 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: of You're on multiple but but when we were going 169 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: to focus on today, your your character hurt his Do 170 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: you remember this? Your character? And you think Donald funked 171 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: up your shoulder and and but you have in the 172 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: episode we cut to you serving and it's so good 173 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: that you throw it hits Johnny c McGinley and it 174 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: throws him against the back wall. Do you remember? That's 175 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: when I sort of do. I was a good tennis player, 176 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: but that was high school, and uh what what I 177 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: wasn't a good What I had was one shot because 178 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: I was a fat kid, and the ball would come 179 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: to me and I would hit a Foss Courts shot 180 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: that was pinpoint in the corner so that the guy 181 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: couldn't return it and I wouldn't have to run. I 182 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: had with every point that way, That's what I was 183 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: good at than that. But if I really had to reach, 184 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: I wasn't so agile. But I was Okay, Donald does 185 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: these trick shots. We we play, We just played today actually, 186 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: and he does these. He didn't do any today, Donald, 187 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: but he does these things where I didn't. I don't 188 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: even know what kind of spin it is. He like 189 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: loops around it like it's a lacrosse stick and the 190 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: ball you just do not You have no fucking chance 191 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: to touch him at Yes, it's top spin. It is 192 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: top spin. And Donald, you hit the ball, the golf 193 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: ball very far, just not straight right, just not straight. 194 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: That's because you're putting this spin on. You hit down 195 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: to the bottom and you turn it over. But God 196 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: only knows where it's going to be. Because if you 197 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: come over it, I know where it's going. If I 198 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: come over it, I know where it's going. But I 199 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: don't want it to go that way because you don't 200 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: want to do. You know it's gonna go into the 201 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: other fairway, but a long way into the other fairway. 202 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: But you're strong, you have a good a decent you know, 203 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: mobility and everything. But you've gotten better, Donald, haven't you? 204 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: Since you played Richard? Probably I've never played him in golf, 205 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: but I've played a few holes with him. I haven't 206 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: played in a couple of weeks. I played once. Yeah, 207 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: I played once. I was. I was for a while. 208 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was messing with Ron del 209 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Barrio golf Tech. This dude, David uh Dave at Frank's 210 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: at Calabasas Country Club. Like, I've gone to a lot 211 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: of people to work on my swing. The lowest I've 212 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: gotten I shot a seventy one at Encino Balboa. I've 213 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: shot a seventy at uh at like courses. Those are 214 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: easy courses. Oh, no doubt. I'm just gonna say one. 215 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you can shoot a seventy one, 216 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: seventy whatever. If you can shoot below seventy, you're a 217 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: good golfer. Well, I the best I've played at a 218 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: harder course like Rustic Canyon. I shot a eighty one 219 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: at Rustic Yeah yeah, yeah, you killby, You'll killby. I 220 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: had children. That'll kill your game. I moved to New 221 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: York and New York New York kills your game. That'll 222 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: kill your game. It was a game. I've been to 223 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: New York for over ten years. You can't go play. 224 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: But one of the reasons I moved from Los Angeles 225 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: was because I became addicted to the game and the 226 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: club that I play at, because you just go there 227 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: and you sit and you play, you have a drink 228 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: or anything like that. And I would get home to 229 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: my kids and I am falling asleep, like trying to 230 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: play with them, and and then uh, and I would 231 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: literally this is horrible because I love to act. But 232 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: I would say, if you can't get me the audition 233 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: before like eleven thirty, then I can't make it, or 234 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: until after three or four, because that's when I was 235 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: playing golf. So I would give up. What is in 236 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: essence jobs, I got news for you now that we're 237 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: on and everybody's gonna hear. You asked me, can we 238 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: switch this time from one o'clock when we take it 239 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: to two o'clock. Well, if I take it at two o'clock, 240 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: that means I got out to the club very late, 241 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: and I want to go play golf after this, you know, 242 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: I said, I said, I compromise, and I'll give him 243 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: one third. Well, thank you for we appreciate that. I know. 244 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: I know how I'm kidding. I'm not. No, you're not 245 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: You're not kidding. Donald Donald, how important it is. I 246 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: know how important it is. And yeah, and it's it's 247 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: still not day savings time yet. If it were, and 248 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: I could play at a eight, something goes down now 249 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: at six? All right, so will Richard. We gotta ask you, 250 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: because we always ask people when they come on. We 251 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: gotta go back to the beginning. Let's start at the 252 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: very beginning, very very good place test star. Um, how 253 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: did you you You don't have to go like give 254 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: us the novel version, but give us the cliff notes? 255 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: How did you get started in in being a working, 256 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: successful actor? Because you've been in nine zillion things. Um, 257 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: very fancy filmmakers and very fancy showrunners love you and 258 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: continue to cast you, and you have a career that 259 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: actors would dream of because you've had such longevity. I 260 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: will tell you I'm going to be humble and bragging 261 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: at the same time. I am the luckiest man in 262 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: show business because when I was a kid, Archie Bunker 263 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: and Adam West were two of the biggest stars and 264 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: heroes of who I wanted to be. Oh my god, 265 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Carol O'Connor was magnificent, not just as Archie Bunker, but 266 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: I knew his stuff before and he he got pigeonholed 267 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: into being Archie Bunker, one of the most magnificent actors 268 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: who would never guess it. Adam West certainly was only Batman, 269 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: and it was my goal as an actor to not 270 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: be them or not have their career. I wanted to 271 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: be in as many things as I possibly could, in 272 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: in everything. I mean, I know, you've done Broadway, I've 273 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: done lots of shows. I'm probabaly and I before the pandemic, 274 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: would be in a show a year somewhere. You know, 275 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: nobody sees it, uh, you know, because it's a limited audience, 276 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: but it's theater. So I wanted to be in as 277 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: many things as I could. And when I was on 278 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: Spin City, everybody was going, Oh, you're gonna be the 279 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: breakout character. You'll be the breakout character. And I didn't 280 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: have any publicity. I didn't want. I did not want 281 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: to be known as Paul Lasseter, so I didn't do 282 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: a lot of publicity or anything. And I know this 283 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: sounds crazy. I have the career that I wanted. I 284 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: really do I get to do. I've done opera, I 285 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: do radio, I do, I do sitcoms. I do. I'm 286 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: gonna be and I'm doing a movie coming up in 287 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: New Mexico where it is not funny at all, and 288 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm playing a gangster. It's fantastic. The only thing is 289 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: that with more fame comes picking of roles. I can 290 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: pick a choose roles. I'll get offered more roles, or 291 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: at least get to audition for more roles, because being 292 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: a star makes a project that much more uh easy 293 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: to finance. And I'm not exactly a star. I mean, 294 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: people don't say, oh, a Richard Karne movie, I gotta go. 295 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: You know. They may say while they're watching it, oh 296 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: I like that guy, but they will not run out 297 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: of their house to go see. But but you're saying, 298 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: but you're saying, you you there was a fork in 299 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: the road, and you chose that path. I wish I 300 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: could say it was an absolute fork in the road. 301 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: It was not. It was a realization. Well no, I mean, 302 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, just for example, you could you know, for example, 303 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: you're on Spin City. You're saying I chose not to 304 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: do but listen, you could have milked the funk out 305 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: of that. Well, I guess I could have. I don't. 306 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: I would not have been a star. I might have 307 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: had more fame. It's just I did not want to 308 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: be pigeonholed into that roll. But but so so I 309 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: don't don't think I could. But also look at who 310 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: you're talking to. I will not be the lead of 311 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: anything of any of any movie and maybe even TV show. 312 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: And I can be a leader in a play because 313 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: the economic consequences of a play aren't as strong as 314 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: a movie or a TV show. But you gotta get 315 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: a good looking guy. You gotta get somebody who is 316 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to say middle of the road, but 317 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: but somebody who is appealing that you want to turn 318 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: tune into. I'm a satellite character, always proud to be 319 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: a satellite character. You don't know who you are. You 320 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: sound like a producer, and I'm gonna be when you 321 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: when you talk like that. But I'm I tend to 322 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: agree with you, and I tend to agree with you 323 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: as of late late in my life, as of recently, 324 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: as of actually this morning, um, I was watching I 325 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: was watching Vandavision right, and everybody knows this about me. 326 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: I want to be in Star Wars. I want to 327 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: be in Marvel. I even think Star Wars and Marvel. No, 328 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: I want to be in that. So I've said that's right, 329 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. But so I've aspired my in my 330 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: whole acting career to be in those movies now here's 331 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: a thing, or in in those TV shows. Now here's 332 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: the thing. What happens? If I get it? Then what 333 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: do I aspire to be after that? You know what 334 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean? In other words, be careful of what comes true, 335 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: because because that then well you're wrong. Okay, you're wrong. Okay. 336 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I had three dreams. Now, 337 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: most kids want to be like Mick Jagger or or 338 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: or play center field for the Yankees or something. Mine was. 339 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in a Stanley Kubrick movie, a 340 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Woody Allen movie, and a an original Stephen Someheim how 341 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: Prince musical. Stanley Kubrick's Dead Woody Allen wasn't hiring me, 342 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: and I love this for Stephen so some Time How 343 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: Prince Musical and got it and I was the god. 344 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: I was the lead. It was the dream of a lifetime. 345 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: And I sing but not well enough to be in 346 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: a sun Time musical. But he likes actors better than singers, 347 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: and I sang well enough to do his stuff. It's unbelievable. 348 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: And Sunheim and Prince split in two after Merrily We 349 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: Roll Along, and Harold Prince didn't didn't direct any of 350 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: his plays anymore. They happened to got back to get 351 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: back together, and I did it. And this was over 352 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: ten years ago, and I continue to work. I work 353 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: so much that I did a Woody Allen movie which 354 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm really proud of. It's not a huge, great part, 355 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: but I was part of it. I almost was with Zach. 356 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: I know you were I I have to admit, with 357 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: all due respect to the gentleman who got the role, 358 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: I was hoping that it was going to be you. 359 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: Richard was up for the part of in Bullets over Broadway. 360 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Because Richard, I have to say, and I've said this 361 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: on the podcast many times, I know what you're saying 362 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: about being a satellite character. I one of those people 363 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: when I see your face, and you work a lot, 364 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: so I see your face all the time. I a 365 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: giant smile comes across my face. If I had if 366 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: I was not in this business at all and just 367 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: a fan of acting, I would I I would just 368 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: be I. I would just be a giant fan of yours. 369 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: I just think that you are so talented and so funny. 370 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: I know that you do drama as well, But when 371 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: I just see you and you could say in this 372 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: and Scrubs, you say one sentence and I just started 373 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: giggling for a Yeah, there's I saw you in the 374 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: show that I've spoken about here before. UM called the 375 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: other the other two? Is that? Are you on that 376 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: you don't even remember? You do so many shows you 377 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: don't remember your you're somebody's agent. Uh. And it was 378 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: a small show, Richard. I love the show. I'm sure 379 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna make I think it'll be back. It's back, 380 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: I think without me. But I start of a one 381 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: joke conceit and it had run its course. So I 382 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: don't blame you. My point is, but this morning, when 383 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: watching wand Division, I was like, why am I so 384 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: worried about being on all of this? I'm a working actor. 385 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: I have so many credits behind me. Now, maybe just 386 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: focus on what I'm good at and if it comes, 387 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: it comes, You know what I mean. I enjoy being 388 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: a fan of it too, you know, so maybe just 389 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: enjoy the fandom. And you are right, But first of all, 390 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: you're really good, or you wouldn't have the career you have. 391 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: The second thing is maybe we're not always great, m 392 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: but we're never bad anymore because we've been around. You've 393 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: done how many episodes of Scrubs did you deal? Over? 394 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: A hundred and something? And if you're not good bye now. Yeah. 395 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: If you don't know how to work a camera, if 396 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: you don't know how to get the tone of a 397 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: scene or parts the script and deliver what the writer 398 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: wants you, then then then you're not thinking I'm an idiot. 399 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: And if that's I'm saying, you're absolutely so you can 400 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: get into into something and you've got a career that 401 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: a backlog of stuff that people can say, oh, he's 402 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: more than justice and Mike, my friend Michael Boltman, you 403 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: know Michael Boatman. He he says, we are at the 404 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: point in our career of what you guys are certainly 405 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: that we will always be better than good. We will 406 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: always deliver. There might be some who will be great, 407 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: and there might or will it will be better. There 408 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: might be certain roles that we will be great in 409 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: and we were not able to achieve greatness, but we 410 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: will always deliver because we're good, which is good. It's 411 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: not that we were for some people are just blessed uh, 412 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: you know some people, well you know people with a 413 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: smoldering lust and and sexuality. I disagree. I disagree, however, 414 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: but those are gifts somehow. But we have amassed a 415 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: talent and a and a credibility and and and a 416 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: facility of how to do our job, and we'll just 417 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: be fine. Do you still have the hunger Richard? Like 418 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: when you when you when someone says we want you 419 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: to read and and and uh, and you get and 420 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: you get the script and it's a really good part. 421 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: Do you do you find yourself going, oh, should I 422 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: want to work on this one? I really want this 423 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: all right? I got a couple of answers for you. 424 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: Yes I do. And it's the silliest thing that makes 425 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: me jump up and down because because I was actually, 426 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: as of this time, I was offered something yesterday that 427 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: was more money than I've ever made in my life, 428 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: more money than ever. I don't make that money, but 429 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: this was more and I turned it down because two 430 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: weeks in a quarantine and then being on the set 431 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: of a very good script. But I was Parsley. I 432 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: was the the overpaid extra. I had one decent scene 433 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: that was maybe a page and a half through pages. 434 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm just part of dinner family where I have 435 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: one line and you gotta be away from your family 436 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: for that, and I would I would kill myself that 437 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: that would really make me unhappy. It would have made 438 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: me unhappy. Forgive me in Bullets over Broadway, because that 439 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: was I didn't have a song and the part was 440 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: really chopped down from what it was in the movie, 441 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: and I was it was although I haven't the love 442 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: the production, Well, then I give him the song at 443 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: the end of Banana song. No, that Banana song was 444 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: started by somebody else, but um. And also the thing 445 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: with that contract was I didn't know if if you 446 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: were did you hear any you would have been known 447 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: as a year everyone, no matter who you were, you 448 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: had to sign up for a year. And I was like, 449 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: what a year? And I was gonna I was going 450 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: to pass on it because I was. But my friend 451 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: was like, bro, like, what are you talking about. You're 452 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: not gonna pass on starring in a Woody Allen Broadway 453 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: musical and Susan Stroman and you were challenged every night. Yeah, 454 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: it was very hard, truly challenged every night. You know 455 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: what I was thinking about this last night Um, this 456 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: is I guess a bit of a non sequitor. But 457 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: I was thinking about just in terms of the theater, 458 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: and I was thinking, you know, you know, most of 459 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: our listeners aren't in the entertainment industry, Richard. So I 460 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 1: sometimes just explained that in the theater world, in the 461 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: New York theater world, Uh, really, whether the show is 462 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: successful or not comes down to the review of the 463 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: New York Times. It used to. It doesn't anymore, but 464 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: it used to. Okay, well, all I'll tell you is 465 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: book did I gotta tell you that Bullo was supposed 466 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: to run. My Trek was for a year and and Richard, 467 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been through this in Donald's Done Done 468 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: theater too. But you you're playing to preview houses, meaning 469 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: the critics aren't allowed to come yet you're working out 470 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: the kinks. We're playing a sold out houses in a 471 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: giant theater, was sold out that we have to stop 472 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: the show because they're laughing so hard. We have to. 473 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: There was one moment they would give it for Nick, 474 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: for for the late great Nick Cordero. They would give 475 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: a standing ovation in the middle of the show for 476 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: a dance number. We were on fire. We open that night, 477 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: the night you open it, like midnight, the reviews came out. 478 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: The Times didn't destroy it, but was met and um. 479 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: The next night it was like golfers claps everyone everyone, 480 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: this is what's so fucked up about it. Everyone coming 481 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: into that theater now went, oh, this isn't that good 482 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: because Brent Brandley didn't love it, And now we're gonna 483 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: watch it differently, and you can. If you're in the play, 484 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: you're like, what the funk happened? We haven't changed anything, 485 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: but they had just been conditioned that this is not good. 486 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: It's horrible. In fact, what it is, what it really is, 487 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: is is a review could make or break the success 488 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: of a play. But now a review can make or 489 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: break the audience's attitude towards a play, and that that's horrible. 490 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: It's because I never I love the theater my it's 491 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: my favorite thing in the world, and I and I 492 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: and I get so much joy out of it. I 493 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: never read a review before I go because I want 494 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: to experience the play a new Of course, if you're 495 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: into the theater community, you hear the buzz of oh, 496 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: everyone's talking about this show, but I the last thing 497 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: I want is someone telling me, oh, this scene sucks. 498 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: It's funny. There was one big number. There was a 499 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: hot dog number, if you recall, and it was so silly. 500 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: They were dancing hot dogs. It was it was just 501 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: a giant dick joke for but it was hilarious and 502 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: the audience would be you could look and you'd see 503 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: them holding their bellies, and that next and that next 504 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: night it was like, that's just terrible. It's terrible. Well, 505 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: they certainly had it out for Woody, but what's unusual 506 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: is they had it out for stro and that's she 507 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: doesn't deserve that. Yeah, I think that Susan Stroman um 508 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: you know if for those of you not in the know, 509 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: is is very, very a list a huge musical theater 510 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: director in New York, and she her first giant hit. 511 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: I believe Richard was the producers, right producers. Yeah, yeah, 512 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: And it almost felt like there was animosity towards her, 513 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: like how dare you be that successful? Absolutely? Yeah, And 514 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: she works the hardest. You've never met anybody so loyal. 515 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: She does everything from ballet to the opera, to to 516 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: uh to the musicals. She's she even did the movie 517 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: of the Producers, which did deserve the dreadful reviews it got. However, 518 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: she is great. You did the producers, didn't you? I did? 519 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: I'm Broadway and at the Hollywood bawl. I have a question, 520 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: what is this? What is this rule? Though? Now? I 521 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: don't like? This is the one thing I do not 522 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: like about Broadway. If you dare you? How dare you? 523 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: The only thing way you're talking about? Yes, these people 524 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: need These people need our support right now, not any criticism. 525 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: This is the only thing when it comes to Tony Awards, 526 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: how comes somebody like Let's say, let's say Zack did 527 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: Bullets over Broadway and he wins the Tony for Bullets 528 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: over Broadway, then leaves. Then somebody else comes in, he 529 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: does bullets over Broadway. Why can't that person win and 530 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: and and so what if they Zack won, his ego 531 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: isn't gonna be heard If that person wins, if that 532 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: person gets nominated, the replacement is even better. Sometimes there 533 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: is talk, Richard, I I at least heard, but you 534 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: might know of them creating a category for best replacement, right, 535 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: I believe that should be done. However, every once in 536 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: a while there is simply a role that can't beat, 537 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: Like if if Fiddler around the Roof is gonna go on, 538 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: how to Have You is always gonna win, or or 539 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Max biala Stock and the producers, they're always going to 540 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: win because it's the role. Right. Also, sometimes Richard, what 541 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: you're saying is true that and and with no disrespect 542 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: to the person that originated the role, someone might come 543 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: in and be like revelatory. Absolutely, And I was talking 544 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: about this the other day. Um the somebody said his 545 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: most exciting UH theater experiences was seeing Richard Burton do 546 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: the original cast of Equis. I said, Richard Burton did 547 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 1: not create the role, but he did go into it. 548 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: And my guess is he was better than the original 549 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: guy because he was Richard Burton. So so, but don't 550 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: I think you are correct? I think I don't think 551 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: it's a bad thing. You shouldn't take away from the 552 00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: five original nominees because putting up a show sometimes what 553 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: they do helps create the character is so good. But 554 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: once the characters established, you are right A but you 555 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: can with it for a revival that only that's the 556 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: only happen Yeah, but then it has to next talk 557 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: about I don't but I like I like the revival 558 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: also because it still has to go through the same 559 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: work that the original did. You gotta started small theater, 560 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: then it has to get to a bigger theater. Then 561 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: that's I like that. I do like I could talk. 562 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: By the way, we've decided this, this episode is called 563 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: the Conversation with Richard Kind because that's what it is. 564 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: Everybody and I could talk to you about so many things. 565 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: You're so knowledgeable about a lot of things. You have 566 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: to wait. One thing that I want to get to Wait. Wait. 567 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: This is called wait, Richard pause. This is called a tease. 568 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna be right back after this break. But I 569 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: have something to say. I know, but I've gotten ching 570 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: the audience. I'm doing a drive by of their proverbial 571 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: genitalia and we'll be right back you and we're back. 572 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: Go ahead. What were you saying, Well, I'm fault because 573 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: I just had a huge meal and now after that, 574 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: pay jeez, Louise, I hope, I hope you remember what 575 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: you were gonna say. Okay, what I wanted to say. 576 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about Uh, do I get excited 577 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: about a script or are excited about a part? Yes? 578 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: I do, I certainly do. Or you pray that you 579 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to play that part. I'm gonna say 580 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: something that that might be interesting to you guys. Or 581 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm one of the idiots that likes auditioning. Really, why 582 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: what a couple of reasons. Number one, as an actor, 583 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: I like to play all different kinds of roles. I 584 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: may not be I may not be hired, but for 585 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: ten minutes, I got to play that role. And I 586 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: can't what alone in the bathroom. I'm not going to 587 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: invite friends over and go, hey, listen to me, do this, 588 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: Listen to me do Willie Loman, because you know just here, 589 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'll give you a sandwich, and I would 590 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: come to see you do something I'd love to do. 591 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: But but but the thing is, you need an after 592 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: needs an audience, and even if it's a kid with 593 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: a camera, you're still performing. So I happened to appreciate it. Uh. 594 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: The other thing is is um, I like being nervous. 595 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: I like the jitters of like an opening night. That's 596 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: fun for me. I know I'm not gonna die, I 597 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: know that my life is not on the line. I 598 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: know nothing's gonna happen to my kids. But I get nervous, 599 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: like being on a roller coaster can be fun. And 600 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: so you're going in front of important people. You make 601 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: it a job. This could be the job that makes 602 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: you a huge amount of money, brings you fame, and 603 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: you might be Matt Terry in friends you don't know. 604 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: Uh so, who knows what this audition is going to 605 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: bring or that the person that you're auditioning for may 606 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: become a good friend. Whatever it is. But you're nervous. 607 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: Things around the line A good way to live. I 608 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: never heard it put like that, but I heard the nervous. 609 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: I heard the nervous part put like that. I've never 610 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: heard the actors need to perform. Look at it as 611 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: a room to perform. I do. Oh, it's an opportunity. 612 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: And that's that's such a golf analogy too. That's such 613 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: a golf analogy, dude. But it's an opportunity. Here's here's 614 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: another crazy thing that if I'm teaching, which I don't 615 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: do a lot of but I have, when you go 616 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: in for an audition, you are going, oh, dear God, 617 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: let me get this role. Please, let me be good, 618 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: Please let me be great. I don't go in that way. 619 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: I go in and I see six people who all 620 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: want to make Larry David money. They all want the 621 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: successive side field. They all want the success of curb 622 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: your enthusiasm. That's what they want. They want money, they 623 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: want success. They don't care whether I get the role. 624 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: They want money. And I go in saying, if, and 625 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: you have to believe this, you have to believe you're 626 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: the right actor for the role. But if I, if 627 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: I believe that, which a lot of times I do, 628 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 1: I can do this. I go in with the mindset of, Guys, 629 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to help you make a lot of money. 630 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: You better if when you cast me, you better cast 631 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: around me as good as me, because I'll help you 632 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: make money. I'm going to help make this thing great. 633 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got your back talk. But most people 634 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: go in going, oh, I gotta get this, Oh I 635 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: got this role. If you go in with the with 636 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: the feeling of I'm going to help you make the success, 637 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: that takes all the pressure off of you. Yeah, Richard, 638 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: I love that. And I have to say from when 639 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm directing, I learned a lot about auditioning when I 640 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: was directing. Because you sit you think that being on 641 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: the other side of the table is fun. It's fun 642 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: for about thirty five minutes, and then it's really grueling 643 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: and stressful because all you're thinking is funk, We're not 644 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: going to find this guy or this gal. So what 645 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: I always say to actors is you need to I mean, 646 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: you're just brilliant. I'm gonna steal it. But I also say, there, 647 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: you don't know this. They're rooting for you. They want, 648 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: they're dying for you to be good. If you're great, 649 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: they're done great. If you're great, they're gonna make money 650 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: if you're good and be good for yourself. Don't Yes, 651 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: they're they're saying, dear God, give me somebody who's good. 652 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: I agree with you. Now I'm gonna bring up something 653 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: that you're gonna hate. But you know that I'm gonna 654 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: bring it up. When you were doing going my way style, 655 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: I auditioned for the bank or at the beginning, and 656 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: I did not have and I only went on tape 657 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: and I did not have. I remember not being not 658 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: feeling good about it. I remember it, and I, of 659 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: course you care whether or not to get it. I 660 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: think I requested you come in for it. Okay, good 661 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: being what I wanted to do. Let's not get the 662 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: role I wanted to do. I wanted to impress Zack. 663 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what I wanted to do. Now, 664 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: the guy you hired happened to be a friend of 665 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: mine and he's great, it's wonderful. Uh and I do 666 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: you do you mind not getting a role? Oh? Yeah, 667 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: it happens, But that that was my mindset and it 668 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: could have gotten in my way of doing a good job. Well, 669 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: I gotta say that. What I think is, I recall 670 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: I asked you to come in because I literally when 671 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: I when I'm casting something and it's a particularly a 672 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: funny part, I'm like, well, who are the funny people 673 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: that I like working with? I agree with? And you're 674 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: at the top of that list. Um, and uh, but yeah, 675 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: I I I really like And I'm sure there's a 676 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: lot of actors listening, who who who? This is? This 677 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: is really useful advice. The audition process. We've all been 678 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: groomed our whole lives to be like and we do it. 679 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: Oh shit, I'm nervous. Oh shit, come on, please come on, God, 680 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: come on, Universe, give this. But it really comes down 681 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: to not walking in that room terrified, walking in that 682 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: room with your shoulders back going, guys, let me let 683 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: me help you. I'm here to do this. Let me 684 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: help you. I'm not necessarily saying that you can't say 685 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: no performance it. Let's just be clear, yes, yes, Actors, 686 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: Please don't walk in the room and say you're looking. 687 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm here. You don't say it out loud. You go, 688 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: you don't say hey, fuckers, you better cast. This is 689 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: a good segue into can you tell us about Spince? 690 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: Your audition for Spin City? And and and and Bill 691 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: and how all that went? I got a great story this. 692 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: This will take about five minutes. Great story you can 693 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: you can take an hour. Go ahead, time. He's got 694 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: a tea time? Yes, what we're talking about me? So 695 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: I guess I have a little only I'll only play 696 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: eight homes if I can keep talking about being tell 697 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: me how good I am? Richard Richard Richard only as 698 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: a tea time if we're talking about things unrelated to him. 699 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: All right, So uh, Gary David Goldberg had a show 700 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: called Champs. It was about It was sort of like 701 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: that champon Sason. It was it was sort of based 702 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: on his life. It was one coach and five guys 703 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: who were best friends, of which Gary does have that life. 704 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: He he had his best friends who were a basketball 705 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: team from when he was in high school. So he 706 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: made a sitcom about that club Champs, and I wanted 707 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: to read for it, and Gary said, he's not right. 708 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: He goes, I know Richard kind, I know him from 709 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: Man About He's not he's not right for it, and 710 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm going I I just let me read. He would 711 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: not see me. That show went the way of most shows, 712 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: like one season. Then he had Spin City and he 713 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to see me, and we called the casting director, 714 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: and the casting director spoke to Bill Lawrence and Bill 715 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: wanted to see me, and I said, let me go 716 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: in and see the casting director first so that I 717 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: can practice and see it because Gary doesn't want to 718 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: see me. And Gary says, oh, I know I know 719 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,479 Speaker 1: which you're kind from Man About you and he's great. 720 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: He's great. He's not right for the role. Gary didn't 721 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: want to see me. Bill did. I had a handle 722 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: on this part. The only thing that would have uh 723 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: not gone it for me is because I was too 724 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: tall from Michael J. Fox or I might have been 725 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: too Jewish ethnic New York City for whatever. But otherwise, 726 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: if they called me back the role is mine. So 727 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: I wanted to go into the casting director and then 728 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: I went into uh the h to read for Bill 729 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: and for Gary, and indeed I was called back. And 730 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: I literally said to myself, if they called me back, 731 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: this role is mine. Okay, I have to go in 732 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: to meet with Michael. Cut back years before when I 733 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: was at Second City, Michael J. Fox came to the 734 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: Second City, was doing the movie Satisfaction. Let me just 735 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: for those for those that don't know, Second Cities an 736 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: improv group ahead right and uh and I was part 737 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: of the company and whenever somebody famous was in the audist, 738 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: we would invite them to improvise with us, which we 739 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: did with Michael. So Michael and Robin Duke are doing 740 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: a scene there was obviously he was the son, she 741 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: was the mother. It's obvious if I opened the door 742 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: and I say, Honey, i'm home, I'm the father and 743 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: I belong there. So I come into the scene with honey, 744 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm home, and Michael bounded one, two three and jumped 745 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: into my like this, I mean, off the floor into 746 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: my arms. Now a couple of things. I'm strong, but 747 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm not that strong. Michael Jay Fox is so light 748 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,919 Speaker 1: that anybody's strong lifted and he clumped onto me like 749 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: David Letterman did with self pro Do you remember when 750 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: he did that too? And Michael did that and he 751 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: hung on like that when I tell you, and you've 752 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: got to understand how long time is? There was a 753 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: forty five second laugh. It's and it wasn't that. It 754 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: was that. It was Michael was so athletic and agile 755 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: and knew the laugh and he just hung on and 756 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: I walked around with him. I'm telling you, like a money, 757 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: like a monkey. Yeah, they were dying. It is a laugh. 758 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: I will always remember it in my head. It's like 759 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: a movie. I can see what it looks like. Memorable 760 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: before I went into the audition. Cut to today, okay, 761 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: to to the audition for Spin City. And sometimes I 762 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: don't have a therapist anymore, but at the time I 763 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: had a therapist and it was a good luck thing 764 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: that I go and see my therapist sometime before I 765 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: had the audition, and it would loosen me up, it 766 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: would make me feel alive or whatever. So I go 767 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: in and I say, I tell him the story, and 768 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: I say should I bring it up? And my therapist 769 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: goes absolutely, if it was that memorable. Absolutely bring it up. 770 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: I go in, I meet Michael, and I say, I've 771 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: got to tell you. You may not we've met before. 772 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: I was on stage at Second City and we did this, 773 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: and this is what Michael said, and he's given me 774 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: permission to tell the story. He goes, I'm sorry, I 775 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: don't remember it because I was so drunk and high 776 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,280 Speaker 1: during that point in my life. I don't even remember 777 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: doing Satisfaction. He did not remember being at Second City, 778 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: he didn't remember being in Chicago. He had no memory 779 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: of really doing the movie. Isn't that amazing? God, I know, 780 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 1: isn't that isn't that sensing one of the biggest It's 781 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: crazy that one of the biggest moments in your life, 782 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: one of the moments that that's one of the memorable 783 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: laugh He had no clue, no clue. He has no 784 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: memory of leaping, leaping onto one of the improv comedians. 785 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: He has no memory of leaping holding on keeping. However, 786 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: this is something I then remember about the audition. This 787 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: is something I clearly remember, is I had a They 788 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 1: wrote Bill Lawrence. As you know, as everybody who's listening, 789 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: Bill Lawrence is a fucking genius he works very hard 790 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: at being a genius, and sometimes he works to the 791 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: last minute at being a genius. But nonetheless he is 792 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: a genius at what he has chosen to do. He's 793 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: he makes things accessible, funny, weird. And let me get 794 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 1: to to that a little later. But I remember doing 795 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: the scene and he wrote such a brilliant funny line 796 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: because he was a great writer. Um Gary was a 797 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: great show runner. Not necessarily he was a great captain. 798 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: He was not necessarily as great a writer as some 799 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: of the product that he put out. But when you 800 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: have a genius, like like a Lawrence, you can get it. 801 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: And Gary was able to to teach things, to build 802 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,800 Speaker 1: and generate things that Bill not only learn but cultivated 803 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: and made blossom even more. But that I had one 804 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,760 Speaker 1: hilariously funny line that I read and Michael J. Fox, 805 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: I wonder if I could do it. I don't think 806 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm met late anymore. In this chair is gonna gonna roll. 807 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: He jumped in the air like this and just landed. 808 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: He jumped in the air with laughter and landed on 809 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: the chair. He laughed that hard at my delivery. And 810 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: I have to admit I walked out of there going 811 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: the part is mine. It's mine. We we we we. 812 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: Donald and I have spoken about his timing, Uh, Michael J. Fox. 813 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean I grew up watching family ties, and I 814 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: didn't know how to analyze comedy or or anything about 815 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,240 Speaker 1: it at a young age. But I just knew that 816 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: he was doing something unique. We is his timing that 817 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,879 Speaker 1: was so special. And Bill has said to us that 818 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: no one, no one could hold the pause and wait 819 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: for the laugh better than than Mike Fox. He he 820 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: just knew. It's like you watch those teenage girls playing 821 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: double dutch and how they know just when to go in. 822 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 1: Like Michael J. Fox was just so skilled at just 823 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 1: the right amount of pause right he was. I'm gonna 824 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you two things. Number One, I 825 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: heard Carl Rehner interviewed by Bob Costas, and Carl Reiner 826 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: said sitcoms were written by Jews to be acted by 827 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: non Jews. And Michael J. Fox has the rhythm of 828 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: a bors Belt comedian. Michael great, great, great talent. He 829 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: has that rhythm. And now I'm going to tell you 830 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: something else. This is sour grapes a little bit. Michael 831 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: could hold for the for that he could take a 832 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 1: line and make it three lines, and the camera would 833 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 1: always be on him because he's Michael J. Fox and 834 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: he's the star of the show. If we tried to 835 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: do it, Gary would edit it and it would all 836 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: be compressed because we're not the start and you just 837 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 1: gotta understand you're not the star. But I would, well, 838 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: maybe I couldn't do what he did, because quite honestly, 839 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: what he did something. I've done this with Michael, and 840 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: I've done this with Christopher Walking. I have acted with 841 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,280 Speaker 1: them and as they're talking, in my head, I'm going, really, 842 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: that's how you're going to deliver the line. Really, that's 843 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 1: your that's your choice. That's what you want to say 844 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: and how you want to say. All right, that's if 845 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: that's going on in my head. And I would do 846 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: that with Michael. And I was lucky enough to act 847 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,840 Speaker 1: with Christopher Walking. And I see them on screen and 848 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: it takes your breath away. They know what they're doing. 849 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they're they're they're magnificent. And Michael okay, and 850 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 1: here's something different. I was also lucky enough to do 851 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,840 Speaker 1: a series with Carol Burnett, and there was a difference 852 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,879 Speaker 1: between the expertise of Carol Burnett and Michael J. Fox, 853 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: who are of course the greatest who have ever taken 854 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,960 Speaker 1: the screen on on TV. Michael J. Fox played for 855 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: the camera but needed the audience to get his timing, 856 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: to know, to to hear, to to get the whole 857 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: milieu of the comedy. Otherwise it's a straight our drama. 858 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: You know, you deliver it seriously. But he was able 859 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,919 Speaker 1: to play that last. Carol Burnett played to the back 860 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: of the house, but knew that the camera was capturing her. 861 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 1: She needed the audience. That's who she really played to, 862 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: and the camera caught her and she that that was 863 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: the difference I as an actor and more like and 864 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,760 Speaker 1: more like Michael J. Fox, I have a hard time 865 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 1: with and and and and it's and it's worked for me, 866 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: and it's worked against me. It's worked against me to 867 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: the point where I've been fired before because I was 868 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: playing for I needed the audience and I needed the 869 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: timing for it to work. But then I've also been 870 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: on shows. I've also I've been on a sitcom net 871 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 1: lasted for five seasons, and I had an actress tell 872 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: me one day, she was like, you know, I thought 873 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: you were gonna blow it until the audience got in 874 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 1: and then you turned it into something different. I'm one 875 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: of them. I can't do it without the audience. If 876 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 1: you're not gonna laugh, if you're not gonna give me 877 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,919 Speaker 1: the rhythm. And I think that's what's great about Bill, 878 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: because Bill at the audition for Scrubs would give you 879 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: the last. He helped you create the rhythm in the audition. 880 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And so I have I have, 881 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. I have. I 882 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: have a hard time. I appreciate people that are more 883 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: like Bill because of that, Bill and Mike a perfect 884 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: for each other. If that's yes, they are, I call 885 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: it you ride the last. Yeah, it gives you a breath, 886 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: It gives you a way to get to the next 887 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 1: sentence or or though. And as Michael could do, he 888 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: could either hold it or in my situation and you 889 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: make a face, you know you're riding the laugh. I 890 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: feel like to say something, but but you're holding for 891 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: the last. Yeah. I feel like Michael J. Fox would 892 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 1: do this thing where he would almost start to like 893 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: nod like he was he was. He was nodding along 894 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: with the laugh, and the audience was was him. They 895 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: were in and I forgot what the I forgot what 896 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: the example Bill told us was. It was something like 897 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,239 Speaker 1: shaving a haircut two bits or whatever it was. But 898 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: the audience knew what the two bits of it all was. 899 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: And that's the easiest thing. And then Michael Fox would 900 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: would would just kind of nod with them, let them laugh, 901 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,760 Speaker 1: let them get ahead of it then and just pause 902 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: even longer so they're like, when is he gonna do it? 903 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,799 Speaker 1: What is he gonna do it? And then just say 904 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,280 Speaker 1: and then he would just say it and they would 905 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,359 Speaker 1: go fall absolutely and that is a very that is 906 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: a comforting thing, and the audience is relieved that they 907 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,320 Speaker 1: were delivered by such a waiter. It's it's the it 908 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: is the greatest. It's love, love, I've got I gotta 909 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: tell you one other thing. A lot of times because 910 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,479 Speaker 1: of Michael's impairment, which we didn't even know about until 911 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: the last year, but Michael couldn't have a long evening 912 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: on Friday nights taping in front of the audience, So 913 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,560 Speaker 1: in order to make it shorter, all of the extraneous 914 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 1: that's the wrong word. All of the supporting cast they 915 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: had scenes. We would do their scenes and they were 916 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: in swing sets in the back, so they were not 917 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: in front of the audience. They would have just been 918 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,720 Speaker 1: shown on TV. Just Paul is there for the audience. 919 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,720 Speaker 1: Swing sets or sets that if you're doing a sitcom, 920 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 1: aren't right in front of the audience. There, they may 921 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: be out of out of the audience's view right right, 922 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 1: the audience is seeing it live, but not with their 923 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: they're seeing it live on a screen, but but not 924 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: in front. Most of Michael's stuff was done in front 925 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 1: of an audience, even if it was on a swing set, 926 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: because that's what Michael wanted so in order to get 927 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: and and I was in either the B or sometimes 928 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,720 Speaker 1: I was usually a C story that was all about 929 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: me but just took a few pages. But I did 930 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: not get the audience, so I didn't hear that laugh 931 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: and I couldn't write it. But when I was in 932 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,439 Speaker 1: front of an audience, I of course was much better 933 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 1: as But those are some of the things that people 934 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,320 Speaker 1: don't know. But it's absolutely fair. I over the years, 935 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: and you're gonna you're gonna say, oh no, no, Richard, No, 936 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,279 Speaker 1: I can't do for camera sitcom nearly as well as 937 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,120 Speaker 1: I got to. I'm a much better actor now and 938 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: therefore to be big on four camera, which you really 939 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: have to do, you have to. It's it's it's the 940 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: greatest amount of of theater and TV. I'm not nearly 941 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: as good. So do you know by choice or by 942 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: by choice? I can't do it anymore. It's not by choice. 943 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,799 Speaker 1: I am a better actor on single camera. I prefer 944 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: single camera, meaning not four cameras going at once. You 945 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,839 Speaker 1: do almost seeing it's for the audience. It's it's one camera. 946 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: They've lit it all up. And which is how uh 947 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,680 Speaker 1: Scrubs has done for those who want to know. When 948 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: you watch All in the Family, you watch Roseanne, there 949 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 1: is a different look of those shows versus when you 950 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,160 Speaker 1: watch Scrubs. You can feel that difference of videotape and 951 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: and here the audience. So that's, uh, that is the difference. 952 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: But you're very good at that, so you you you 953 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't um, you know, if if if a sitcom came 954 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,680 Speaker 1: up in New York City, you would pass on it. 955 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,359 Speaker 1: If a sitcom came up in l A dude, that's 956 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,239 Speaker 1: all the gop. Now, he's I'm just saying I am 957 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: not nearly as well. I want to say a depth 958 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: I can't be as I suppose. I can't. You want something, 959 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm wrong because I'm lately doing the Goldbergs. I'm huge 960 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: on the Goldbergs and that's single camera, single I'm huge, 961 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: and but the the premise the character is written, I'm 962 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:37,839 Speaker 1: ill servant about Jim Hobart. Though. Is Tim Hobart running 963 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,840 Speaker 1: the Goldbergs? What is Tim Hobert working on the Goldbergs? 964 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: Are running the Goldbergs? No? No, no, Tim Hobert did 965 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 1: that wonderful show The Middle. Yeah, he ran The Middle. 966 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: And I came on as a guest, and uh Lee 967 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: Sallet Semo, who I adore, came on and wanted my 968 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 1: character to be a little larger. And I went, Lee, 969 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,439 Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore, and she sort of said, 970 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,320 Speaker 1: I know, but do it. And so I had. I 971 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,760 Speaker 1: became larger for a single camera and it didn't feel comfortable. 972 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: The person I was acting opposite was should be big. 973 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,239 Speaker 1: I should be small so that she could be big. 974 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: Now we were both big. Not my cup of tea. 975 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,440 Speaker 1: But I said, I know the genre, I know what 976 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 1: it had to be. I didn't want to do it. 977 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 1: I agree with I agree with you. You can't The 978 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,960 Speaker 1: second if you if you watch Scrubs. Of course there's 979 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: times and we're for example down I are both big, 980 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: but usually we're riding a line where one person has 981 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: the license to be the water of the two, because 982 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: you can't because if it's it's it's if you're both 983 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: on that level, then it doesn't feel is right. And John, 984 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:50,640 Speaker 1: of course was written to be ridiculously outsized. You know 985 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 1: John McGinley, he was. He was huge with it. Even 986 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,520 Speaker 1: if he was small, it was it was that was 987 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: that huge, you know, is he was that the dneck 988 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: And uh, there are larger characters on the show, which 989 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,840 Speaker 1: major shows so wonderful, and there are enormous situations where 990 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: if you treat it realistically, they are that much funnier. 991 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: So sometimes you're acting with uh with with the script. 992 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: But but I always thought that the audience was the 993 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 1: third member of the scene. And you do that with 994 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,000 Speaker 1: in theater, and you do that in sitcoms in four camera, 995 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: but you don't do it on Scrubs. I've never, I've never, 996 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: I've done guest spots on the sitcoms. I did Donald's 997 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,760 Speaker 1: and I and we did we did a spoof of 998 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: one on on the show scrubs. But I I've never 999 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 1: done it. I think that I would. The theater guy 1000 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,440 Speaker 1: in me would would probably have a lot of fun 1001 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: doing it. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot 1002 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,920 Speaker 1: of fun. This is my experience with it. It's a 1003 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: lot of fun. On show night. I can't sleep after 1004 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 1: a show. It's so oh. But that's what theater is, 1005 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,000 Speaker 1: right right, every actor goes out and has a drink 1006 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,439 Speaker 1: or two after because who goes home from work after 1007 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: having all of this energy? You just don't go and 1008 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: you know what it's it's it's ten thirty, go home 1009 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: and go to sleep. You don't you go out and 1010 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 1: you have to let you have to let off steam 1011 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,040 Speaker 1: after a day's work. Even even after, even after the 1012 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: drink and I got home, I was still like it 1013 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 1: was still still up. And But the thing about about 1014 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:37,080 Speaker 1: theater is it is a person's life compressed into two 1015 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,360 Speaker 1: and a half hours. I call it a little piece 1016 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 1: of shampoo. It's this much, it's two and a half hours. 1017 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,760 Speaker 1: But to rub it and all of a sudden, it's 1018 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,560 Speaker 1: just all of this ladder, it's it's huge, all in 1019 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,320 Speaker 1: this little dot, and it's it's uh. It takes a 1020 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: lot to come down and when you do a show, 1021 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: you are on in northern Energy. But I gotta ask you. 1022 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this man, When you do plays 1023 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,760 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, don't you find that more gratifying 1024 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 1: than doing fulfilling, I should say, than doing movies and 1025 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 1: TV and stuff like that. Like I cry at the 1026 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,919 Speaker 1: end when I'm done with a play. For some reason, 1027 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,959 Speaker 1: I'm crying at the end of it. I don't feel 1028 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,560 Speaker 1: that way necessarily when I'm doing TV shows or when 1029 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing movies and stuff like that, But at the 1030 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 1: end of a play, it just feels like, holy cow, 1031 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:28,960 Speaker 1: what a release. Bill Lawrence got very insulted properly about 1032 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,720 Speaker 1: the story that I'm about to tell. And I didn't 1033 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,920 Speaker 1: mean it this way, but I used to call TV 1034 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,640 Speaker 1: was my waiter's job, so that I could afford to 1035 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: do a play. Yeah, TV gave me the wherewithal the 1036 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 1: money to raise children, have a house, eat so that 1037 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 1: I could go and starve. Because no matter what play 1038 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,600 Speaker 1: you're doing, even if you're the highest paid person on stage, 1039 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 1: you're not making the money that TV and movie pays. 1040 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 1: And so I said, it's my waiter's job, and he 1041 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:04,320 Speaker 1: took it like TV is a second rate job. It's 1042 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,200 Speaker 1: not if you are lucky enough to be doing first 1043 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 1: rate material. Yeah, of course whatever. However, I get more 1044 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: satisfaction doing plays. I am. I'm thrilled in the rehearsal, 1045 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 1: in fact, just doing I don't have to do a 1046 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,760 Speaker 1: play for longer than a month. I like rehearsing better. 1047 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 1: I agree when I did, when I did my six 1048 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: months run on Broadway and it ended, it was very sad, 1049 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 1: but I remember like collapsing on the ground, being like 1050 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 1: six months was fine. I'm fine. It's this is it's look, 1051 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,439 Speaker 1: it's not the salt minds. And it's also like going 1052 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: to the gym. Uh, you know how going getting to 1053 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: the gym, oh my god, oh my god. But after 1054 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 1: the workout you're happy you didn't. Getting to the theater 1055 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,760 Speaker 1: is oh christ, this guy again, this life again, this 1056 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: show again. But then you do it and the show 1057 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,919 Speaker 1: is over and you're happy. And the camaraderie nothing nothing, 1058 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,880 Speaker 1: I think Donald, one of the reasons you're trying is 1059 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 1: that nothing, even nothing in film and TV, matches the 1060 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: camaraderie of of doing a play with a group of 1061 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 1: people absolutely, because you're on you're on the line. Together. Man, 1062 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,840 Speaker 1: you're on it together together. One person falls, somebody has 1063 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,919 Speaker 1: to pull that person back or the play is gonna 1064 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,920 Speaker 1: fall apart. Every it'll fall apart. And when I did 1065 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: Summer Stock when I was a kid, and we did 1066 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: like fourteen fifteen weeks, it was it was huge and 1067 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,600 Speaker 1: with the same cast. It was all a repertory company, 1068 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: and we we were so close, and for a year 1069 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,160 Speaker 1: or two we were so close. I've I don't keep 1070 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: in touch with one of them. But I'm telling you, 1071 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,880 Speaker 1: I said, these people will be my friends for the 1072 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: rest of my life, and then they don't. And well, 1073 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,960 Speaker 1: well sometimes they do. Sometimes I take that back to 1074 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about the like I did 1075 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:54,160 Speaker 1: a play at the Old Globe in uh in San Diego, 1076 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,600 Speaker 1: Picasso at the La Panagiel it's the Steve Martin play 1077 01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,600 Speaker 1: it sure and with with with we said, huh No, 1078 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: I did it with Justin Long with Justin Long, Was 1079 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Dan Testlonetta in it? No, none of these people were. 1080 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Well then I know nothing of what it was it was, 1081 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,439 Speaker 1: but it was anyway. So we did a play there 1082 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,040 Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking, well, I really like these guys. 1083 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 1: I hope we hang out after this, and we do. 1084 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,880 Speaker 1: I still talk to these guys, you know what. I 1085 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,680 Speaker 1: still Justin and I we face time every now and then. 1086 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: Like I know, I knew if I brought this up, 1087 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: you would get upset. I want to hear about your 1088 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,560 Speaker 1: relationship with Justin Long. I'm still close with all the 1089 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,440 Speaker 1: guys City and you are obviously close with all the 1090 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,480 Speaker 1: guys from Scrubs. No person, of course. And I and I, 1091 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's people from the Bullets show and other 1092 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,160 Speaker 1: shows that I that I you know, we don't see 1093 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 1: them that much, but we text and look a time. 1094 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,520 Speaker 1: So we want to let you go. But I let 1095 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,520 Speaker 1: you go. But but then I will say, and uh 1096 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,560 Speaker 1: I said this to you in in a text or email, 1097 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 1: But uh At, you are a great man. You're You're 1098 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,520 Speaker 1: great at what you do. But I know the history 1099 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 1: that you had with your co star, and you are great. 1100 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,960 Speaker 1: You were a good, good man. I'm talking about your 1101 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: co star in Bullets and I'm well aware of your 1102 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 1: goodness and your kindness, and anybody wants to look it up. 1103 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,760 Speaker 1: We won't talk because it's so serious, but you are 1104 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 1: a great man. Well, thank you, sir. All I've done 1105 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 1: is stand by um my friends, which I which I 1106 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: hope that we we all would do. Um. We also 1107 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,120 Speaker 1: if someone we love is is in is in need 1108 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 1: that I think we all aspire to be the person 1109 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,680 Speaker 1: that will show up. Yeah, listen, I want to I 1110 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,360 Speaker 1: want to thank you. Um sir, we it is no 1111 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,480 Speaker 1: smoke to say that we genuinely admire you and look 1112 01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,440 Speaker 1: up to you and quote you all the time. I mean, 1113 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,720 Speaker 1: Donald and Bill and I will be together on just 1114 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden be like I have Yaba. Was 1115 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 1: waiting for that word, I like you. I always forget it. Yeah, 1116 01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,400 Speaker 1: we know that. And then you go, you go, your 1117 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,200 Speaker 1: you go, you go, you go, I have I have 1118 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,840 Speaker 1: Yama and and Cox goes. Really have you been around? Um? 1119 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,360 Speaker 1: This this rare type of monkey. That's the only person 1120 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,600 Speaker 1: to give that to you in in Africa and you go, 1121 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:19,280 Speaker 1: I have been to the zoo. Continue. First of all, 1122 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,959 Speaker 1: that is also the genius of Bill, who can write 1123 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,040 Speaker 1: for me, who wrote brilliantly for me, and to choose 1124 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 1: the vowels that I can make a meal with. A 1125 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,800 Speaker 1: lot of people do do an impression of me. I 1126 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,760 Speaker 1: can't do an impression of me, except that I used 1127 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,600 Speaker 1: to be a recurring character on the show called the 1128 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,000 Speaker 1: commission and uh somebody when I was at a poker 1129 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,760 Speaker 1: game and they said, are you're gonna be here next week? 1130 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,840 Speaker 1: And I go, I can't. I'm doing a commission. Impressive 1131 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,920 Speaker 1: I can do with me. I can't do me. But 1132 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: when I when I say it, where it's those are 1133 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:08,600 Speaker 1: the bowels that are so your timing. There was an 1134 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,720 Speaker 1: episode last week we did where you were the janitors 1135 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,720 Speaker 1: trying to get you to conspire with him and and 1136 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,640 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, if you you know do x y Z, 1137 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 1: I can help you, and you kind of look up 1138 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,680 Speaker 1: and there's a long pause and you go go on, 1139 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 1: it's just too fucking syllables, and it's funny. And the one, 1140 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,040 Speaker 1: the one that's really great is when he walks into 1141 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,800 Speaker 1: the room and he's complaining about everything and they close 1142 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: the curtain on him and Cock says to him, uh, 1143 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,440 Speaker 1: you know this is gonna cost you your your insurance 1144 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,760 Speaker 1: is gonna pay for this. And you imp and you're 1145 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:48,080 Speaker 1: fully dressed. I remember that that. I do remember. How 1146 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,840 Speaker 1: did you do that without a cowboy, without a cowboy switch? 1147 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,800 Speaker 1: How did they do that? Because it's done so well, 1148 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,959 Speaker 1: it's not there's no cut. There must have been people 1149 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,840 Speaker 1: back there helping you because it's literally like a it's 1150 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,080 Speaker 1: like a four second change. It's hilarious. Is that crazy? Yeah? 1151 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,640 Speaker 1: Here's what I wanted to say about Bill, and I 1152 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:13,400 Speaker 1: mean this, He started with Spin City, took it to 1153 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:21,160 Speaker 1: a greater extreme with you guys. Two page, three page 1154 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:28,440 Speaker 1: scenes that add up to a story that that was 1155 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,120 Speaker 1: never done before. And when you get things like thirty 1156 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,560 Speaker 1: Rock and and successive shows. It started with Bill and 1157 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 1: it started on Spin City a little bit, but it 1158 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 1: really continued with you guys. He is the creator. He 1159 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,760 Speaker 1: is the mind behind the new thing because he was 1160 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 1: young and attention spans cameras, but that's what he did. 1161 01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,320 Speaker 1: He was He created that and it's abstounding the what 1162 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,880 Speaker 1: he did. And I don't think anybody credits him. They 1163 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,240 Speaker 1: all credit him with being great and you know, and 1164 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,480 Speaker 1: and and and super successful and commercial, but he did 1165 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,720 Speaker 1: that with you. I agree with you. I don't think 1166 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Bill gets the credit he deserves. I mean he's not 1167 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,280 Speaker 1: at all. Maybe now with ted Lasso, because guess what, 1168 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,479 Speaker 1: on Sunday he might win the Golden Globe. Oh that 1169 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: would be great. I love ted Lasso. It's it's wonderful. 1170 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,240 Speaker 1: Episode two is your favorite, wasn't it? Because that's the 1171 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,600 Speaker 1: one I directed? It was. I did like it. I 1172 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 1: do know that that you directed it. I actually do 1173 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,439 Speaker 1: because I have a feeling you two is gonna work 1174 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,760 Speaker 1: together soon. I have a feeling. Way are you kidding me? 1175 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,479 Speaker 1: There's not if someone if I'm directing something and there's 1176 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,360 Speaker 1: something he's right for, I I literally request him. I said, 1177 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,920 Speaker 1: you have to ask Richard if he's available, and I'll shave. 1178 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 1: I will shave. I will let you go, sir with 1179 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,920 Speaker 1: your tea time. But thank you so much. I love 1180 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,560 Speaker 1: you both. I don't know Daniel now, but great to 1181 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:06,760 Speaker 1: see you guys. Thank you by buddy care Richard. Let's 1182 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,759 Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be right back after these fine words. 1183 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't stop laughing you guys. Daniel 1184 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,400 Speaker 1: and I were messaging while we were listening, and I 1185 01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,120 Speaker 1: was like, it's so rare, you just to sit back 1186 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: and listen and while you're recording. That was that you guys. 1187 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,479 Speaker 1: He had like nine thouns and more stories to tell. 1188 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,160 Speaker 1: But I was like, we promised we'd get him up 1189 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 1: for his tea time. I'm Mike shake. We have to 1190 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,920 Speaker 1: see if he can come back and tell us my 1191 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:45,120 Speaker 1: stories he's got He's got so many stories, uh, you know, 1192 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,479 Speaker 1: because he's just a journeyman actor who's been in a 1193 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,519 Speaker 1: zillion things. But I really want everybody out there who 1194 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,360 Speaker 1: is an actor and who is coming up and everything. 1195 01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:00,080 Speaker 1: Just listen. If you if this podcast did anything for 1196 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:05,560 Speaker 1: you today, rewind to when he's talking about auditions. That is, 1197 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:10,040 Speaker 1: those are jewels. Those are gyms given to you from 1198 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,639 Speaker 1: Richard Kind. And I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna 1199 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use them. I'm gonna stell a lot of 1200 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,880 Speaker 1: the stuff you mean to me too. And by the way, 1201 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: you don't even have to be an actor. It's about 1202 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,080 Speaker 1: if you're going into a job interview, if you're going 1203 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:25,160 Speaker 1: into a big meeting, it's about like the just mind 1204 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna mind funk yourself one way or the other. 1205 01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Why not mind funk yourself into like I'm a badass 1206 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,519 Speaker 1: and you guys are gonna be fucking lucky to have me. 1207 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,920 Speaker 1: By the way, you're saying this in your mind, not outline. 1208 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,599 Speaker 1: We don't want you writing this being like I said 1209 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,280 Speaker 1: it out loud, like you said I walked into the 1210 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,960 Speaker 1: audition give me this part because you know I'm the 1211 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,120 Speaker 1: one who's going to make you the most money. Doesn't 1212 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,160 Speaker 1: work out of your mouth? All right? Well listen obviously, 1213 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,920 Speaker 1: because Richard hadn't seen the episode, which was a ultimate 1214 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: blessing in disguise because we got to talk about so 1215 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,519 Speaker 1: much more. We'll we'll do this episode next time, right Joel, 1216 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,519 Speaker 1: and then and we'll just call this conversation with Richard 1217 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,560 Speaker 1: kind Um, I want to dandle. This gives us a 1218 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,360 Speaker 1: chance to do a rap if you want to do one, Okay, 1219 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,160 Speaker 1: we'll try. This episode was very funny, by the way. 1220 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: I had some great moments. I laughed out loud of bunch. Donald, 1221 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,080 Speaker 1: I just have to say when you say, um, let's 1222 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 1: not get into it. Let me just say one thing. 1223 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,400 Speaker 1: When you're with the heavy set gal and you're pushed 1224 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 1: into the mattress and it's not it's not a fantasy 1225 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,920 Speaker 1: she has. She has in real life pushed you down 1226 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,320 Speaker 1: into the mattress. That was funny. I'm gonna tell you 1227 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,599 Speaker 1: something right now. I love the fact that Turk likes BBW. 1228 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,080 Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Baby. Yeah, well I like BBW. Two. Listen, Donald, Um, 1229 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:48,920 Speaker 1: we have to tell everyone our big news. Should we 1230 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:53,360 Speaker 1: tell everyone our big news? We're doing We're doing so. 1231 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be to get to 1232 01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:01,439 Speaker 1: one to the time. You're fine, no, no, no, leave it, Daniel, 1233 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,000 Speaker 1: UM listen. It is one of my child's dreams. I 1234 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:06,760 Speaker 1: never thought in my life that I would get to 1235 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,280 Speaker 1: be on Family Feud. And I'm talking. I used to 1236 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,519 Speaker 1: watch back in the day when Richard Dawson was like 1237 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,920 Speaker 1: groping people. Um now but but now, Steve Harvey. My 1238 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,720 Speaker 1: one of my life goals is to say something on 1239 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,200 Speaker 1: Family Feud that will make Steve Harvey do his classic 1240 01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:28,400 Speaker 1: dead pan look away. And we have been contacted. I 1241 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,439 Speaker 1: don't know how many podcasts have been on Family Feud 1242 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,280 Speaker 1: before I heard The Office Ladies, but I don't know 1243 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,160 Speaker 1: how many others. But the four of Us and Bill 1244 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 1: because it's five players are going to represent fake doctors, 1245 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:44,920 Speaker 1: real friends on Family Feud. Amazing. I'm so Daniel thunders 1246 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: the thunders of blood at Daniel. I know you're particularly 1247 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,200 Speaker 1: geeked about this. Can you tell us what you're feeling? 1248 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,280 Speaker 1: Don't do that, family you dude, don't do that. Look 1249 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you this in my head 1250 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,519 Speaker 1: there are moments when I'm about to encounter someone that 1251 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,720 Speaker 1: I admire or that I'm a really big fan of, 1252 01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,920 Speaker 1: and I take a second and I think about what 1253 01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say before I get there. And you know that, 1254 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,120 Speaker 1: for however long until we get on Family Feud, I'm 1255 01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,840 Speaker 1: going to be running through everything that I'm going to 1256 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,200 Speaker 1: be saying this department before we step on that stage, 1257 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,120 Speaker 1: because I am truly beyond geek that's such a huge 1258 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,519 Speaker 1: fan of game shows and watching Family Feud and all 1259 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,080 Speaker 1: of that. I mean, like, you know, a story from 1260 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,160 Speaker 1: the tour bus when Ian, when me and my best 1261 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,120 Speaker 1: friend were on tour as Gladiator, that was what we 1262 01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,479 Speaker 1: would watch on the tour bus. We would watch Family 1263 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,160 Speaker 1: Feud with everybody, just back to back to back to back. 1264 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,439 Speaker 1: It was our favorite thing. And this is like, I mean, 1265 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm so thankful, I really can't even We gotta win, guys, 1266 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,960 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, you know when we come 1267 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,720 Speaker 1: out of the huddle, we gotta be clapping and you 1268 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:52,240 Speaker 1: notice saying, you know, you guys say good answer answer, answer, yeah, Donald, 1269 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,479 Speaker 1: your good answer. Okay, Because I've watched Family Feud before 1270 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:01,200 Speaker 1: when somebody said of something and everybody was supportive, saying 1271 01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:06,000 Speaker 1: good answer, good answer. No, but you've got to be supportive. 1272 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,519 Speaker 1: I want to be able to say that's not a 1273 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:12,200 Speaker 1: good answer if somebody says something dumb, even if it's me, 1274 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,120 Speaker 1: I want to be like, that's not a good answer. 1275 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,599 Speaker 1: I got. I'm so excited you guys. When I found 1276 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,320 Speaker 1: out this news, I was like, this is this is 1277 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,080 Speaker 1: a little piece of you know, in this pandemic, a 1278 01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,240 Speaker 1: little jewel of something that is so exciting to me. 1279 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,719 Speaker 1: We gotta figure out who we're gonna be up against. 1280 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,600 Speaker 1: M that's a I mean, well, no, they pitched I 1281 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,320 Speaker 1: don't want to tell who, but they pitched a couple 1282 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,880 Speaker 1: of people that are already in the slots. And or 1283 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,880 Speaker 1: they said, if you have a team that that you 1284 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,880 Speaker 1: guys want to pitch to go up against where or 1285 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,599 Speaker 1: where our ears are open. So I don't know. I mean, look, 1286 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,759 Speaker 1: I think the obvious choices. We go up against something 1287 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,479 Speaker 1: that's very similar to scrubs. I know Office Ladies wol 1288 01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,519 Speaker 1: have been perfect, but they've already done it. Apparently, one 1289 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,400 Speaker 1: of my Instagram followers told me that the Office Ladies 1290 01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,880 Speaker 1: was up against Scott Foley's actual family. They were I 1291 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: watch that episode. Yeah, maybe we should, we should go 1292 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,920 Speaker 1: again Scott family. Scott Foley's actual family is a bunch 1293 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,920 Speaker 1: of famous people. Then his wife, his sister in law, 1294 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,240 Speaker 1: his his brother in law. Yeah, they're all they're all 1295 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,560 Speaker 1: very good. Well, we want to we want to go 1296 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,000 Speaker 1: again people that will be funny, because that's what makes 1297 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,559 Speaker 1: the whole show funny. Want we want we don't want. 1298 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,240 Speaker 1: We don't want a dud. No, no, I'm not saying folly. 1299 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying we want to. We want the other team 1300 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,400 Speaker 1: to be funny because you know, most importantly, we want 1301 01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,280 Speaker 1: our episode to be hilarious. Right, absolutely, we want the 1302 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,120 Speaker 1: funniest family. Everybody says, right, oh my god, I'm gonna 1303 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:43,040 Speaker 1: Do you think Steve Harvey will let me touch his mustache? No? Not, huh? 1304 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,040 Speaker 1: What if? What if I put on a glove? I 1305 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,439 Speaker 1: think that's a good idea. If you want to deadpans stare, though, 1306 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,680 Speaker 1: that's how you get it. That is how you get it, 1307 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,400 Speaker 1: touch the mustache. And you probably watch more episodes than 1308 01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,240 Speaker 1: any of us, do you know the best way to 1309 01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,639 Speaker 1: You just say something outrageous to get the dead pan stare, 1310 01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,120 Speaker 1: usually actual, usually within sexual When you went to bing 1311 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,600 Speaker 1: there you go. Look, I'm gonna do my impression on 1312 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:12,160 Speaker 1: it for you guys. You gotta do the open mouth 1313 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,680 Speaker 1: one too, an open mouth one, I said when we 1314 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 1: found out, you guys listening. When we found out, I 1315 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:23,080 Speaker 1: sent all these guys all my favorite Steve Harvey gifts. Incredible. 1316 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,639 Speaker 1: I'm so excited by the way. There's a Scrubs tie 1317 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,800 Speaker 1: in because on like episode whatever is it four or something, 1318 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,639 Speaker 1: we we cut to when Louis Anderson was hosting. We cut, 1319 01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,960 Speaker 1: we cut to that we were on the show for boobs. 1320 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,519 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with boobs. Wasn't that episode was fantasy? 1321 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,519 Speaker 1: I was. I was very upset about it. I even 1322 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,840 Speaker 1: spoke about it on the podcast. All right, so look 1323 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,400 Speaker 1: next week, I guess Thursday for you guys, because this 1324 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:54,479 Speaker 1: is for Tuesdays. Thursday, we will dive into the episode 1325 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:58,959 Speaker 1: that we were supposed to dive into today. Um all right, Um. Otherwise, 1326 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,400 Speaker 1: other news, UM, don't forget to mark your calendars for March. 1327 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a live show that's gonna be amazing. 1328 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:07,760 Speaker 1: I had a really good idea for a musical guest 1329 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:12,560 Speaker 1: that I'll tell you guys secretly. Friday, fielding to on 1330 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,720 Speaker 1: Tuesday Friday. Tickets for the live event we'll be going 1331 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,680 Speaker 1: on sale Friday. But that's exciting. Yeah. Now, are we 1332 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,920 Speaker 1: going to cap the audience? This is something we haven't 1333 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,040 Speaker 1: talked about. Why would we cap them? Well, I mean 1334 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,240 Speaker 1: special event, man, you, I mean, if you if there's 1335 01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,040 Speaker 1: two schools of thought. One is just like, let anyone 1336 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,639 Speaker 1: in the world who wants to come in want Toby ticket, 1337 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,960 Speaker 1: you come in. And then the other school of thought 1338 01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,800 Speaker 1: is like, no, let's make it special and and and 1339 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,719 Speaker 1: limit the amount of people in the quote unquote theater 1340 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,640 Speaker 1: like you would if you were touring. I think the 1341 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,160 Speaker 1: great thing about a virtual tour is that everybody can 1342 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,880 Speaker 1: join in. All right, So you talked, we talked about 1343 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,720 Speaker 1: O two and all of that stuff. There's no way 1344 01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,880 Speaker 1: you can do O two numbers if we cap. But 1345 01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,599 Speaker 1: what about the supreme model of selling clothing where it's like, sorry, guys, 1346 01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: we only had a thousand seats. The last thing I 1347 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,320 Speaker 1: want to do, yeah, the first real live show, small 1348 01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,800 Speaker 1: intimate theater. Okay, so maybe if we go forward we 1349 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,400 Speaker 1: do bespoke ones. Yeah. I think this one. I think 1350 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,439 Speaker 1: this is for everybody. All our listeners want this, and 1351 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,760 Speaker 1: so we should give them the opportunity. And you know, 1352 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:24,160 Speaker 1: if you don't want this, I would employ you to 1353 01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,680 Speaker 1: change your mind. It's gonna things are gonna happen then. 1354 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,599 Speaker 1: First of all, things are going to happen that don't 1355 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:34,120 Speaker 1: happen on the show. Oh yeah, you think. Yeah, we're 1356 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,839 Speaker 1: gonna have a musical guest. At least we're gonna interact 1357 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,600 Speaker 1: with our fans. You're gonna they're gonna be able to 1358 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,080 Speaker 1: look at our faces. Donald will show his melted her. 1359 01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,879 Speaker 1: She's kisses that. By March, which is one month from today, 1360 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,479 Speaker 1: I'm hoping to have abs, So maybe maybe I'll show 1361 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,360 Speaker 1: you them. Maybe if I listen, if I dropped a 1362 01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,800 Speaker 1: few more pounds, I will show melt at her she's kissing. You. 1363 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Guys can hear you, Guys can hear about what the 1364 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:02,840 Speaker 1: what it's all about? You can you know what else 1365 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,920 Speaker 1: we can do? As a pitch, I'll tell the audience 1366 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,280 Speaker 1: this pitch that I think you might like shafter Balls. 1367 01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,080 Speaker 1: You know he's speaking of shafter Balls. This is kind 1368 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,960 Speaker 1: of like our only fans. We're doing an only fans event. Yeah, 1369 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,880 Speaker 1: but it's like shafter Balls, except we're not going to 1370 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,400 Speaker 1: show you know, balloon n um. I wanted to say 1371 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:26,519 Speaker 1: that maybe we sing Gilve No, no, no, no, because 1372 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,559 Speaker 1: we sc You're scared. You're scared. You think I'm scared 1373 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,559 Speaker 1: to sing? You scured? You can sing guy love right now. 1374 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,880 Speaker 1: It's not that's for the special event. Dick nick, dick, 1375 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,479 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. You rub your neck. I'm 1376 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,120 Speaker 1: a dick nick, So that means my face is the 1377 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,360 Speaker 1: what the head? The tip? Can you rub your neck 1378 01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,280 Speaker 1: and you look like a giraffe when that ship grows, 1379 01:19:54,240 --> 01:20:01,600 Speaker 1: look like when it grows? Yeah, when he's oh, I 1380 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:06,880 Speaker 1: hope it's a little girth the yet, Yeah, your dick 1381 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:13,040 Speaker 1: neck has a lot more gir the go all our sponsors. 1382 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,599 Speaker 1: All right, listen, let's get out of here while we're ahead. Joel, 1383 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:22,360 Speaker 1: You're right, don't worry, Joel. You can unpause rebels any moment. Listen, guys, 1384 01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,080 Speaker 1: did you watch one division? I'm not caught up. Don't 1385 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,040 Speaker 1: say a word. Yeah, did you watch week? Did you 1386 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,120 Speaker 1: watch it? Watched last week's I haven't watched last night's. No. 1387 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,920 Speaker 1: Donald's kind of guy that gets up in the morning 1388 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,479 Speaker 1: and watch it. We my wife and I watched it 1389 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,559 Speaker 1: this morning because we had the kids were at school 1390 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,840 Speaker 1: and we had a little bit of time before the podcast, 1391 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:51,080 Speaker 1: and and uh who sorry, I mean leave it at that, 1392 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,920 Speaker 1: get your baby back on the nipple. I'll do it. 1393 01:20:53,960 --> 01:21:00,280 Speaker 1: I'll do it, easy, easy there, It is all right. 1394 01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:01,960 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a kid. There's gonna be a kid 1395 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:03,800 Speaker 1: that hears that. One day. It's gonna be like, I'm 1396 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,040 Speaker 1: so troubled. That just reminds me of my mom's teeth. 1397 01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about Zack's voice, but 1398 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,960 Speaker 1: it reminds me of suckling on my mom's teeth. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1399 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,920 Speaker 1: all right, let's end this. That was awesome. That was 1400 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,840 Speaker 1: such a surprise, and it's such a great example of 1401 01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,760 Speaker 1: how like when the second he said he hadn't seen 1402 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,960 Speaker 1: the episode, I was like a rhet row and then 1403 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,040 Speaker 1: I was That was one of the most entertaining guests 1404 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:30,120 Speaker 1: we've had. Um. Yeah, he has so many stories, man. 1405 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,320 Speaker 1: And the next time we got to ask about the 1406 01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:38,800 Speaker 1: Clooney all his Clooney uh an, because he's Clooney's best 1407 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,519 Speaker 1: friend and they and he and and he was Clooney 1408 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,040 Speaker 1: was best man at his wedding and I'm sure they 1409 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of adventures, so that that will get 1410 01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:50,080 Speaker 1: Richard to tell I cannot stress this enough. The jewels 1411 01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:54,040 Speaker 1: that he left, We're sacred, and so please, if you 1412 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,920 Speaker 1: are in business and you have fear of walking into 1413 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,240 Speaker 1: rooms and being in front of people, or if you 1414 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,519 Speaker 1: need a new anecdote because the old one is not 1415 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:08,080 Speaker 1: working anymore, rewind this episode. Great talk with Richard kind. Guys. 1416 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,360 Speaker 1: All right, we love you all and um see you 1417 01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:18,160 Speaker 1: next time. Next stories about sure we made about a 1418 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,320 Speaker 1: bunch of doctor nurses and janitor who love me. I said, 1419 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:28,439 Speaker 1: here's the stories never should know. So Yatton around you, 1420 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:36,360 Speaker 1: Here are Yato around you? Here a watch mm hmm