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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, more praise for the

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Speaker 1: two young inside linebackers, this time from their position. Coach

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Speaker 1: Bill Davis. Zavan Collins is picking up the defense quickly

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Speaker 1: and Isaiah Simmons is finding his footing as that Swiss

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Speaker 1: army knife. Plus, we heard from Kyler Murray, albeit briefly.

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Speaker 1: First though another signed GM Stevecime listens to the show.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four twenty eight, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu

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Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday,

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Speaker 1: visit asy Cardinals dot com, Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to

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Speaker 1: the right, throws near sight of Fens part He's into

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Speaker 1: the endzone for the touchdowns. Here's Craig Griolou and Mike

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Speaker 1: Wreckie Well and another attempt to show just how much

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Speaker 1: pull we have or think we have, and really we

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Speaker 1: have no pull at all, MJ. But we can think

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Speaker 1: we do well. We have been saying since the draft

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Speaker 1: the team needs to add another experienced corner and what happened.

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Speaker 1: An experienced corner has been signed. Welcome seven year veteran

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Speaker 1: dark As Denard see. Steve Come is paying attention to

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Speaker 1: what we say here on Cardinals Covered two presented by

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Speaker 1: Hunday Probab partner of the Arizona Cardinals. What I've learned

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Speaker 1: over the last few years, Craig, I just stay in

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Speaker 1: my lane. We make suggestions, we speculate, and you know

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Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, we looked at the roster and thought, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's great. They drafted two cornerbacks in the draft, Marcus

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Speaker 1: I don't think so either. And we know that that

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Speaker 1: bottom half of the fifty three man roster, and I

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Speaker 1: realize it's a ninety one man roster right now, but

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Speaker 1: about this cornerback position. You've got ten now, but you

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Speaker 1: have more importantly four that have real experience Malcolm Butler,

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Speaker 1: Robert Alford, Byron Murphy and now Denard. Six seasons with

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Speaker 1: the Bengals last season with the Falcons. That seven total

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Speaker 1: coach with the Bengals in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Denard's first two seasons in the league. So yes, what

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Speaker 1: He's five foot eleven so basically look like Malcolm Butler.

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Speaker 1: But I do like the sonny and at this point MJ.

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Speaker 1: I wanted any experienced corner. I know there's a lot

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Speaker 1: It didn't matter to me. I just wanted a body

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Speaker 1: I respect Richard Sherman concerning where he's drafted. You know,

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Speaker 1: And I think right now it's all on den arm

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Speaker 1: he's earned a coverage grade according to Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 1: a football field for the first time in two years

428
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Speaker 1: a year ago did not happen in the offseason, but

429
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Speaker 1: to hear Coach Davis talk about the difference that this

430
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Speaker 1: offseason is going to make not so much for a

431
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Speaker 1: JJ Water or Chandler Jones, but for Zaven Collins, Isaiah Simmons,

432
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Speaker 1: those young players, whether it's rookies, first or second year players,

433
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Speaker 1: because if you think about it, there are some players

434
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Speaker 1: out there that haven't had a full offseason, a legit

435
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Speaker 1: full offseason, and that you know, whether we go into

436
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Speaker 1: this quote unquote new offseason where the OTAs are limited

437
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: and the mini camp is maybe reduced, every team is

438
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: seemingly seems kind of be doing things a little bit

439
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: different this offseason. The Cardinals and their players have agreed

440
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: to three OTAs plus a mini camp, that is the

441
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: six days that the team will be on the football field.

442
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: But to have the rookies and the building and walking

443
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: through stuff, physically doing it, not just learning it through

444
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: zoom meetings, I think is going to make all the

445
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: difference for this rookie class that last year's rookie class

446
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: did not get. Couldn't agree more. And the fact is,

447
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: you know Kingsbury always talks about getting on the grass,

448
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, face to face, you know, making sure they're

449
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: going through their walk throughs, making sure you're lining up

450
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: in the right spot. Go back and watch the film.

451
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: Don't make the same mistakes to day, you know, day

452
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: after day. So you look at Zavian Collins and you

453
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Speaker 1: throw in Isaiah Simmons. I mean, I'm looking forward to

454
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Speaker 1: watching these guys play. And the fact that I think

455
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: Isaiah Zimmons, you know, we know we struggled early on,

456
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: but according to Billy Davis on the Big Red Rage,

457
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: he felt like he made some progress throughout the year.

458
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Speaker 1: And I think he's going to be a jack of

459
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Speaker 1: all trades this year when it comes to his playtime,

460
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to be a three down backer.

461
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: And the last thing I'll say, you know it's going

462
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: to be on the field, but there was no preseason

463
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: games last year. These guys need preseason games. I told

464
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: you Chandler Jones told us he needed preseason games, even

465
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: if it's one. So it's night and day from a

466
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: year ago. Don't mean to be redundant, but I can't

467
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: tell you. Just being out there for an hour and

468
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: only could talk about the first twenty minutes, you could

469
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: see the energy and just how guys are communicating, and yeah,

470
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: it's it's the first day of school, so everyone's excited.

471
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Speaker 1: But you could just see that's how you get better

472
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: on the field, going through the process and then watching

473
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Speaker 1: yourself on film. Remember we talked recently about what defensive

474
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Speaker 1: Coordinatorvents Joseph told Jim Trotter of the NFL Network at

475
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Speaker 1: NFL dot com about Simmons and the progress Simmons made

476
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Speaker 1: from week one to week seventeen. Coach Davis mentioned the

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00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: same thing, and without prompting, brought up week one against

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. That's seventy six yard touched down in which

479
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Simmons was beats and according to Davis quote, he didn't

480
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: blow that particular assignment. Again, the whole year end quote.

481
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: Rookies are going to make mistakes, it's just don't make

482
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Speaker 1: the same mistake twice. And that's just not Isaiah Simmons

483
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: as a rookie. That's rookies across the board, every single position.

484
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: You're going to make mistakes, but just don't let happen

485
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: again week in and week out. And I'll give Simmons credit.

486
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Speaker 1: It certainly didn't look good, but it might have been

487
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: the best thing that had happened to him as far

488
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Speaker 1: as that week one, because it might have refocused him

489
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden understood that, hey, I'm

490
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: not at Clemson anymore. This is where the big boys play,

491
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: and I need I don't know if it's work harder

492
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: or longer, but just realizing that there is a level

493
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: up from college to the pro We all know, you know,

494
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: confidence is big in life, whatever you're doing, if you're confident,

495
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: And I don't think he was confident. I think he

496
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: was swimming. But the fact that he made that interception

497
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Speaker 1: against the Russell Wilson and Seahawks Cardinals won that game.

498
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: The fact that his only sack is against Russell Wilson,

499
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: and he did come to the sidelines and said I

500
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: can do this. So to me, confidence and playing more

501
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: free versus thinking will go a long way for any player,

502
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: including Isaiah Simmons. And if you're not thinking, then all

503
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're a step or two faster or quicker.

504
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: Your reflexes are just a little bit more. And I

505
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: think that's what Coach Davis was referring to, because he

506
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: also brought up the fact that Simmons's mind slowed down

507
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: and his body activated, and you saw him make some

508
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: plays to your point, the interception against Russell Wilson, the

509
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Speaker 1: sack of Russell Wilson, and we saw Simmons see more

510
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Speaker 1: playing time as the season progressed. That second half of

511
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: the season, he was on the field a heck of

512
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Speaker 1: a lot more than he was in the first half,

513
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Speaker 1: and that was because I think he was thinking too much.

514
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Speaker 1: And if you're thinking, if you're the coaches on the sidelines,

515
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: don't you do mean no good if you're thinking, Because

516
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: once you think, the guy that you're supposed to be

517
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: covering or following or shadowing, he's behind you. And he

518
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: also got a chance to play on special teams. And

519
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: one thing I didn't know not that you know, he's physical.

520
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean the hit on Cam Newton, Camel's gonna flop anyways,

521
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: was a third and twelve, third and thirteen. Cam wasn't

522
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: throwing the ball very well. That game still sticks out.

523
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: The Cardinal should have won that game. But anyways, I

524
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 1: like the physicality and he's a big he's tall, and

525
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: he's not lean. He's got some muscle to him, but

526
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: he's very athletic and so, like I said, between Collins

527
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: and Simmons, I think their future is going to be bright.

528
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: Now it's just a matter of time. I mean, it's

529
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: not gonna happen overnight. They got to go through the process.

530
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: But they got other players around them that will obviously

531
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: make a difference where these guys can stand out whether

532
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: it's week week or you know, a couple games here.

533
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: But I like the fact that, you know, they got

534
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: two young guys and it's gonna be interested to see

535
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: how opposing teams try to attack the middle of the

536
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: field on the Arizona Cardinals and those two. Talking about

537
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: Collins and Simmons, they're gonna be inside linebackers. We'll get

538
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: to Zaven Collins in a moment, but Simmons in the

539
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: words of coach Davis, his quote, home base will be

540
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: inside linebacker, but then we'll be moved around to kind

541
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: of cause some confusion amongst offenses. And Davis mentioned on

542
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: The Big Red Rays that last season, Simmons played six

543
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: different positions, three linebacker spots plus strong safety, free safety,

544
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: and nickel. And as the season progressed, as he got

545
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: more and more comfortable and confident, that's when things started

546
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: to slow down. So they threw a lot at Simmons

547
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: a year ago, mind you, without an offseason, without a preseason,

548
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: and that's why I think there was such a disappointment

549
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: in that Simmons wasn't I wouldn't say he wasn't ready,

550
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: but he just wasn't. As a first round pick, there's

551
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: an expectation to be on the football field and contribute,

552
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: and he just wasn't doing that early on in the

553
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: regular season. But there was a lot asked of Simmons

554
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: because he did a lot at Clemson and the Cardinals

555
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: want him to do a lot here at the NFL level.

556
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: But to hear him, coach Davis said that six different

557
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: positions that Simmons was trained at, and what did we

558
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: hear all of last offseason the Swiss Army Night. But

559
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: we're going to kind of slow play it and make

560
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: sure he doesn't get too much information. But at the

561
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: end of the day, Simmons lined up in a number

562
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: of different spots on the field. Well, and let's keep

563
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: in mind, to start the season it was Campbell and Hicks,

564
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: and then as a season progressed, you know, he started

565
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: to see you know, Jordan Hicks kind of lose a step,

566
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: and so he got more playing time. And then when

567
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: when they went to that jet package, they got their

568
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: their pass rushers out there, that was Guardeck and you're throwing,

569
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, Marcus Golden. They would use some of their dbs,

570
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: but Isaiah Simmons was part of that package. So yeah,

571
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that, because

572
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought when you said, you know,

573
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: last year, you know, six different positions he trained at.

574
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: But the whole idea was we're gonna slow play him.

575
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: Now that again for him, at least he didn't have

576
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: to start from day one. But obviously when you're eighth

577
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: overall pick, you got to be active on game day.

578
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: And I think we can now kind of open up

579
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: the door a little bit, but during training camp he

580
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: was even during the open portion of practice, he was

581
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: in some cornerback drills and even when we were watching

582
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, he was lined up in the slot

583
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: covering wide receivers. Now how much we see that come

584
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: the regular season, but I just think that shows his versatility,

585
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: something that the Cardinals did, like watching film of him

586
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: in college and now all of a sudden, how do

587
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: they utilize that on the NFL level. Yes, he is

588
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: an inside linebacker, but from that inside linebacker position, you

589
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: can do different things. And coach Davis was explaining on

590
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage that you don't know if you're

591
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: that quarterback, if Simmons is in the box, you know,

592
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: does he drop back as a safety, does he move

593
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: to the side to maybe line up in the slot

594
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: to defend a wide receiver, or is he coming at

595
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: you as an edge rusher, which Simmons was very successful

596
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: at in Clemson. And now he's getting more and more

597
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: comfortable as an inside linebacker, meaning he's covering more as

598
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: far as who comes across the middle, whether that's a

599
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: tight end or running back. And I think that is

600
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: in year two you'll see a much improved a much

601
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: smarter and a much more efficient player with Isaiah Simmons.

602
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: If I'm connecting dots, if he's dropping back into coverage,

603
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: I gotta think they're gonna get some more interceptions. Yes,

604
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: And that's another thing that Coach Davis brought up because

605
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: we talked about the tall trees that Steve Kim talked

606
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: about as far as six foot four Simmons, six foot

607
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: four Zavan Collins. You put your arms up in the

608
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: air and all of a sudden, you're what seven feet

609
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: seven and a half feet tall, just a wingspan JJ watt.

610
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Now at the line of scrimmage. We know he's very

611
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: good at batting balls at the line of scrimmage. And

612
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: that was the one area that Coach Davis said that

613
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: this defense can improve the most is turnovers. I went

614
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: back and looked Cardinals force twenty one turnovers in twenty twenty,

615
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: including eleven interceptions. But to Davis's point, when you're trying

616
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: to throw over two six foot four players, quote, you're

617
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: going to elevate your past a little bit end quote.

618
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, now if you're elevating your

619
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: plast maybe you're got some overthrows maybe some balls are tipped,

620
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: they're just out of the reach otherwide receiver and then

621
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that ball is fluttering up in

622
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: the air. Maybe Buddha Baker gets a handful of interceptions.

623
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Maybe that's Malcolm Butler, maybe that's Robert Alford, or maybe

624
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: that is and Isaiah Simmons. But when you have two

625
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: tall trees, and I think it's a very good description,

626
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: might just have to keep referring to those guys as

627
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: two tall trees in the middle of the field. Quarterbacks

628
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: want to throw towards the middle of the field because

629
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: that's usually where there is some wide open spaces. It

630
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: might not be so wide open with two six four guys.

631
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: And then you throw in JJ Watt at the line

632
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Yeah, I like what he's saying, because if

633
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: you get pressure and you know, you make the quarterback

634
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: under dress, he's got a pick which poison there and

635
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: you get a tip ball. We know a couple of

636
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: years ago, Jordan Hicks led this team in interceptions, Yes,

637
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: and that sometimes you don't like to see that. But

638
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: if he's gut you know, five or six. But if

639
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: your cornerbacks and safeties are having some interceptions, and then

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Speaker 1: of course we talk about the coverage and if there

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Speaker 1: is a patch rush or if quarterbacks are having trouble

642
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Speaker 1: looking over the defense that front seven because there's too

643
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: much room or there's too much traffic, if you will,

644
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: they have to get the roll ball out quicker, and

645
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, to Coach Davis's point, you're overthrowing.

646
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Speaker 1: You're not as accurate as you thought because you can't

647
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Speaker 1: really set your feet and do what you want to

648
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Speaker 1: get the ball out. You know, I don't. When I

649
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Speaker 1: look at Carlos Stansby, I mean he had good size.

650
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Speaker 1: He was a high pick, a second round pick out

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Speaker 1: of Alibur, and he had a great college career and

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Speaker 1: a lot of times he would drop into coverage, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of times he dropped the ball. So I

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Speaker 1: could see them getting more opportunities. Now, are they oak

655
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Speaker 1: trees or maple trees? And because they're I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: two strong guys and they're tall sequoia trees. Yeah, oak

657
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Speaker 1: trees really strong. Okay, Okay, we'll go with oak trees.

658
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but somebody wants correct me. Which

659
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Speaker 1: the strongest tree out there, I'm gonna go oak tree.

660
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: All right, then I'll back you up on that. Zavian

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00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Simmons a pair of oak trees in

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Speaker 1: the middle of that defense as we reference a lot

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Speaker 1: of coach Bill Davis and what he had to say

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Speaker 1: on The Big Red Rage. And in case you missed it,

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Speaker 1: you can go to asy Cardinals dot com slash podcasts

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Speaker 1: podcasts for more information. All right, let's continue because I

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Speaker 1: want to point out Zavian Collins as well, because I

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Speaker 1: think in the last couple of the months, Simmons has

677
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Speaker 1: been the odd man out. He's been kind of the

678
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Speaker 1: forgotten guy. We always liked the new shiny object, and

679
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Speaker 1: last year that was sim and this year at Zavin Collins,

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00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: but at exactly. There's always someone new exactly, Yeah, and

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00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: you just kind of focus on them and forget about

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Speaker 1: what you have already on the football field. But Collins,

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Speaker 1: as we discussed, is there is going to be a

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Speaker 1: big spotlight, a bright spotlight on him just because the

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Speaker 1: position that he's playing at mic linebacker, the quarterback of

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Speaker 1: the defense. And in the words of Coach Davis quote,

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Speaker 1: the true art of playing the mic backer he's the

688
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Speaker 1: quarterback of our defense is the ability to communicate to

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Speaker 1: all ten other defensive players their responsibility end quote. And

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Speaker 1: then oh, by the way, not only do that, but

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Speaker 1: you do your job as well at a very high level.

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Speaker 1: That was the concern that I had and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people had as far as now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you're giving this young player, a rookie, this responsibility. It

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Speaker 1: is a huge responsibility. But I am confident because we've

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Speaker 1: heard from Drew Grigson and now we've heard from coach

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Speaker 1: Bill Davis that what they have seen on the football field,

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Speaker 1: it is a very limited amount of time. You're talking

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Speaker 1: about rookie minicamp and OTAs that Collins has picked this

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Speaker 1: defense up very well. He understands what has asked of him,

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Speaker 1: he understands what has asked of the ten other guys

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Speaker 1: on the football field, and then adjusting as well, because

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Speaker 1: that's something that doesn't get talked a lot about. You

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Speaker 1: can have your defense set, but then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the offense changes formation or there's motion, and then it's

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Speaker 1: on that Mike linebacker to adjust everyone else. And that

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Speaker 1: is what is being asked. Is Davin Collins this season? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean they were adamant on draft night, even in

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Speaker 1: the second round that both of these guys, Ron Delmore

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Speaker 1: and Zavin Collins was going to start from day one.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they didn't have an offseason when they

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Speaker 1: had that same claim. But I gotta give Steve credit

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Speaker 1: here because you could see when he made the pick

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Speaker 1: he thought day one starter. But he doesn't have an offseason.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden he's playing catch up two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it's back to the fact that a year ago,

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Speaker 1: at this time, it was all zoom meetings. And Collins

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Speaker 1: was even asked on a recent press conference that could

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Speaker 1: he imagine being Isaiah Simmons a year ago and having

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Speaker 1: to learn all this stuff virtually as opposed on the

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Speaker 1: football field, and said, no, I don't know how the

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Speaker 1: guys did it. And look, there were some players last year,

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Speaker 1: rookies that were more successful than others. They were able

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Speaker 1: to do it, and that's great, but the vast majority

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Speaker 1: of rookies, first year players and undrafted rookie free agents,

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00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: they didn't. They were swimming. And it took until that

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00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: midway point of the season week eight, week nine, week

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00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: ten to where things really slowed down and all of

729
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, you saw what the Cardinals saw and every

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Speaker 1: other team saw in their respective draft picks. You can't

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Speaker 1: understate it or overstate it enough. The offseason is huge. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think there's certain positions like Chase Young pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: they would invested four or five, you know, first picks

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Speaker 1: in it, so I think he plug and play. You

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Speaker 1: know the receivers, you know, you look at the receivers

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Speaker 1: last year between you know, Judy Rugs and Ceedee Lamb,

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Speaker 1: they showed flashes. I think running backs can come in,

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Speaker 1: but when you're offensive line, I think it's difficult to

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Speaker 1: play right away D line. I think you're part of

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Speaker 1: a rotation. It's one position they rotate. Playing inside linebackers.

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Speaker 1: Not easy to be a rookie corner. If you've got

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Speaker 1: good cover skills, I think you can plug in play.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's certain positions, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: times the centers center is probably one of the smartest

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Speaker 1: guys on the team. You got to make all the calls,

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Speaker 1: and then inside mental linebackers, probably the smartest guy on

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Speaker 1: defense because you've got to make the calls and as

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Speaker 1: we pointed out, he's got to know where JJ Watt's

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Speaker 1: lining up, Chandler Jones, Marcus Golden, Kannard, Buddha Baker, Malcolm Butler,

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Speaker 1: and it's not easy. But the fact that he's getting

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Speaker 1: the reps right now on the field and then going

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00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: back and watching film, that's gonna be huge going into

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Speaker 1: the season. And something you have pointed out and Wolf

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00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: did as well on the Big Redge is when you

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00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: have a JJ Watt, a Chandler Jones, a Buddha Baker,

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00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: some veterans, they can also assist in that it's not

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00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: just going to be all on Collins. And even during

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Speaker 1: the portion that was open to the media the day,

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Speaker 1: one of OTA's the one voice I did hear more

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Speaker 1: than any other was Buddha Baker. And now within a

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: stadium and a bunch of people, and you have to

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00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: be real loud, and it's going to be more difficult

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Speaker 1: on the back end as opposed to someone in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the defense. But that communication, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a lot was asked of Jordan Hicks that first year

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Speaker 1: and he was basically it and I don't think I

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00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: don't think he got enough credit for everything that was

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Speaker 1: asked of him, and he was basically doing everyone's job.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing the Cardinals are asking Zavian Collins.

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Speaker 1: But the difference is there. This is year three of

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Speaker 1: the defense, so there are more players familiar with what

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00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: coach Joseph wants to do. And you've got some guys

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Speaker 1: who are proven in this league that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: don't be just well, the rookie told me to do this, Like, no,

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00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: they'll they'll be constant communication on all three levels to

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Speaker 1: make sure everyone is lined up properly. Let me give

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Speaker 1: an example. So Vans will wait for the other team's personnel.

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Speaker 1: Let's say they change personnel, so he changes his packages,

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Speaker 1: so you get you get the pre snap read and call. Now,

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Speaker 1: if they show a lot of motion, which we know

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00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: the rams and the forty nine ers do their motioning guys,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Buddham may check the call and

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Speaker 1: tap him on the hip. Okay, now move over because

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Speaker 1: he has the experience. Same thing with Chandler, same thing

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00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: with you know, m. Collins is going to have the

786
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Speaker 1: ability to go down and tap JJA on the hip.

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Speaker 1: Move inside. So pre snap call he'll get that's what

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00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: he'll rely Now post snap or as the ball is

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00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: being snapped based on the motion, that's when you could

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00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: see some movement there and you make sure everyone's on

791
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: the same page. And bird Gang. What MJ is describing

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Speaker 1: here is happening in the matter of seconds, not minutes.

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Speaker 1: Not hey, let me think about it. It's I need

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00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: to know now, I need to react now. Otherwise, as

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Speaker 1: we've said, a you know, you could be in the

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Speaker 1: perfect position, but the adjustment isn't perfect, and all of

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00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: a sudden, what was maybe a short game turns into

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Speaker 1: a first down or even worse, a touchdown. And that

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Speaker 1: is what the Cardinals want to avoid this season. Well,

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00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: you can have you know, the great call, but if

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00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: ten guys are doing their job and one guy misses

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00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: the block, it's all really all all of this comes

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00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: down their execution. We can talk about play calling is

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00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: very subjective based on the result, but really it's about

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00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: execution and that's something this team needs to definitely improve

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00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: on weekend and week out going into the season. All

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00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: eleven players where they were talking about offense, defense, and

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00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: even special teams because one guy out of position and

809
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: then of a sudden, the entire play breaks down. Bird Gang.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't already, make sure you catch up on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Flight Plan two episodes and the books as the

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00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Cardinals chronicle the offseason. We're talking about free agency, see

813
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: the Draft, and of course these on field workouts OTAs

814
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Speaker 1: and Mini Camp two episodes in episode number one, Power Search,

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Speaker 1: episode number two, First Class. Those are available via the

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Speaker 1: of here. On this edition Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. We kind of discussed

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Speaker 1: this earlier in the week with bertrand Berry on The

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00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: Red Sea Report. I wanted to give us a time

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Speaker 1: a moment or two to share as well, and that

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Speaker 1: is CBS Sports dot Com. Pete Prisco has covered the

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Speaker 1: NFL for a number of years, does a great job.

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Speaker 1: Ranked his top one hundred players. Again, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the offseason. It's a talking point, it's a discussion. On

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Speaker 1: his top one hundred, he had five Cardinals listed, DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Hopkins at number thirty six, Buddha Baker at fifty one,

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones checked in at fifty four, followed by JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt number sixty six, and Kyler Murray ninety four, the

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Speaker 1: eleventh of twelve quarterbacks on this list. The twelfth quarterback

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, listed at number ninety five. So five players

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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a lot, but look, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a good representation whether you agree with where their ranks.

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Speaker 1: And again, this is one man's opinion, and it does

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00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: offer a lot of people to express their disdain or

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00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: their approval depending on what their favorite team and their

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00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: favorite players are listed on this top one hundred. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you also included just miss Rodney Hudson and DJ Humphries.

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00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I think Humphries obviously, you know he's

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00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: been able to stay healthy. He's one of the better

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Speaker 1: left tackles in football. Probably doesn't get the credit until

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00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: this team gets somebody to the being to the Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl or an All Pro. But again, Rodney Hudson and

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Speaker 1: DJ Humphries, I can make the case as of today

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Speaker 1: they're the two best linemen on the roster. And that's

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Speaker 1: hard to I guess rank when you're talking about offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman who you don't really have stats for, but the

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Speaker 1: stats that you do have are sacks that are given up.

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Speaker 1: And I always, yeah, I always love it because there

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Speaker 1: are what sixty five seventy five snaps in a game,

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Speaker 1: and as a tackle, you could be good on seventy

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Speaker 1: of those seventy three snaps, but those other three you

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Speaker 1: allowed a sack, and you allowed two pressures or two hurries,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you had a bad day.

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Speaker 1: Whereas a defensive player, if you're rushing the quarterback seventy

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Speaker 1: out of those seventy three snaps and you get one sack,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, hey you accomplished a lot and

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Speaker 1: you know, I got to the quarterback one time. Whereas

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman needs to be perfect every single snap.

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Speaker 1: So those a little bit more difficult. I do like

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Speaker 1: the fact that you had Chandler Jones and JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: on this list, But to your point about the off

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Speaker 1: sensive lineman, I do think that for me, Rodney Hudson

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Speaker 1: is going to be huge for this team, not just

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Speaker 1: on offense, but the entire team just be based off

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Speaker 1: what he can do. Because if you have a good offense,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden that everything becomes a little bit easier,

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Speaker 1: and the other phases of the game to whether defense

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel more pressure to get that stop or get

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Speaker 1: that turnover, or special teams feels that they need to

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Speaker 1: have a long return or force a turnover on a

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Speaker 1: punt or a kickoff or whatever. And I just think

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Speaker 1: for me, Hudson is going to be the one player

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Speaker 1: that at the end of the twenty twenty one we're

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Speaker 1: all going to point back to and say, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was the key to the Cardinal success and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he was available and they were able within twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours after losing out and Corey Lindsley he went

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Speaker 1: to the Chargers. Yeah. I mean, like I said, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the best offseason moves in my opinion, besides

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Speaker 1: signing j. J. Watton. This came to a trade. Again,

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Speaker 1: Steve's done a great job. Whether it's draft, he knows

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Speaker 1: he's got to hit on the first three rounds, and

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Speaker 1: then you look at trades and then free agents and

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Speaker 1: then obviously undrafted free agents. One more notes on Prisco's

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Speaker 1: Top one hundred. DeAndre Hopkins the highest ranked Cardinal fifth

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Speaker 1: wide receiver listed overall, behind Davante Adams, Stefan Diggs, Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 1: and Julio Jones. I can't really I mean just wide

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Speaker 1: receiver rankings. I know Hopkins he put up a bunch

893
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Speaker 1: of numbers a year ago, but those are including Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: those are five really quality wide receivers. They all do

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Speaker 1: something different. Now do you think number one on that

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Speaker 1: list Devanta Adams. He's a name that you don't here

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Speaker 1: talked enough abouts around the entire league as far as

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Speaker 1: nationally as concerned. Well, you look into the last three years,

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Speaker 1: he leaves the NFL in touchdowns. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: when when the Cardinals pulled off the trade for Hopkins,

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00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: we always thought it was Hopkins in any order. Mike Thomas,

902
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Speaker 1: who did not play well or did not play last

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Speaker 1: year some injuries, so maybe he didn't make the list,

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Speaker 1: and then well it was always in Julio Jones and

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Speaker 1: he didn't play. And now you're starting to see more

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Speaker 1: about Stefan Diggs, Tyreek Hill, and there's other wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: But you know clearly these guys are number one wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: But last year when or two years ago, when they

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Speaker 1: pull off the trade, I was thinking, wow, last year,

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Speaker 1: excuse me when they pull off the trade. Like we've

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Speaker 1: always talked about the top three receivers, and Hopkins was

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Speaker 1: in that conversation, and I'll be okay, and maybe even

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Speaker 1: not to put words in de Hop's mouth, but if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get one hundred and fifteen catches, if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't hit fourteen hundred receiving yards, if those numbers are

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Speaker 1: down a little bit, maybe his touchdown numbers increase. But

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Speaker 1: if an Aj Green does what we anticipate Green to

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Speaker 1: do and what we hope is a bounce back season

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Speaker 1: for him, Christian Kirk, is this the year that he

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Speaker 1: finally emerges to become that wide receiver, whether that's a

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Speaker 1: number two or a number three. And then Rondel Moore

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Speaker 1: kind of the wild card and all of this because

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Speaker 1: we just don't know right now how he'll be utilized outside, inside,

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield. But you have a number of

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Speaker 1: weapons to whatever. If you're moving the ball up and

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Speaker 1: down the field, maybe not so much is looked at

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Speaker 1: Hopkins to provide a lot of those yards and catches

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Speaker 1: from a wide receiver standpoint. Yeah, I didn't know this,

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Speaker 1: but I was listening to Ron Wolfee on ninety eight seven.

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Speaker 1: It was I think it was Wednesday morning, and one

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Speaker 1: of the things he pointed out was, you know, considering

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Speaker 1: the division, I don't know how much Seattle runs, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, motion, But we talked about the rams in

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers because of Hopkins last years just

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Speaker 1: lining up on the left side. Now, when when they

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Speaker 1: kind of put Kyler in a box where they kept

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Speaker 1: him in the pocket, and obviously Larry's missing time and

938
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Speaker 1: Kirk was missing time, Andy Isabella wasn't running the right routes.

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Speaker 1: But towards maybe maybe the last five six games, they

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Speaker 1: started moving Hopkins around. I want to see them move

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Speaker 1: him around more. I know that they're looking for one

942
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: on one coverage when we'll jake your chances with him.

943
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: He gets off press coverage. He's skinny to the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: He can make every catch, but I want to see

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Speaker 1: them move them around a little bit. I thought we

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Speaker 1: got a chance to see that and flashes towards the

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Speaker 1: end of the season last year. So more motion, not

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Speaker 1: just from everyone, but specifically from number ten. Yeah, have

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Speaker 1: him go in motion and then he can run that

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Speaker 1: slant pass. I mean, I just think Rondel Moore having

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Speaker 1: him on the field, you're gonna have to equate for

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Speaker 1: all fifty three yards from sideline to sideline. And by

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Speaker 1: the way Berg Gang, there will be other lists that

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Speaker 1: come out this offseason. We'll try to get to as

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Speaker 1: many as we can, but again it's say talking points,

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Speaker 1: it's a discussion and sometimes some heated discussion as well.

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Speaker 1: But Cardinals with five players on Pete Prisco's Top one list.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Covered two, presented by Hunday, private

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As all, we special thanks

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer, Jim mom hundred For Mike Jarecki.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greig Riel Loup. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: you're on Cardinals Cover two.