1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Mr Garbutshaws tear down this wall. Either you're with us 2 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: or you were with the terrorists. If you've got healthcare already, 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: then you can keep your plan. If you're satisfied with 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: is not the President of the United States, take it 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: to a bank. Together, we will make America great again. 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: It's what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton 7 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: with America now joined the conversation called Buck toll free 8 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: four nine hundred to eight to five the future of 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: talk radio, Buck Sexton, Team Buck, Welcome to the Freedom Hunt. 11 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. Here between the terrorist attack in London and 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: the firing of a missile by North Korea over Japan, 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: and I think we should start this Friday with a 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Buck brief. You are now entering the Freedom Technical Operations Center. 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: All sensitive programs must be kept strictly. Need to know 16 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: Team Buck is cleared and ready for a Buck brief. 17 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: As I regisation, everyone was like piling out, like people 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: weren't even running. They were falling over each other and 19 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: and just fleeing. I guess I was just about to 20 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: walk into the station and there were a few people 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: sort of standing outside and there was a woman sitting 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: on the pavement, sort of blood around her, and she 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: was crying and she was really hysterical. And I walked 24 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: into the station. There was just bloods on the floor 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: and people running downstairs, screaming like get out, people crying 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: and running, and the whole station was evacuated, but people 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: were coming out the station sort of covered in blood. 28 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: And the fifth terrorist attack to hit the UK this year, 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: this time a homemade bomb. Uh didn't it seems fully detonated. 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: It had a partial detonation or an incomplete detonation, but 31 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: it did manage to injure a bunch of people. Twenty 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: nine people wounded, no one killed, thankfully. It seems like 33 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: the bomb did not have a particularly skilled bomb maker, 34 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: although he did put a timer on it. There were 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: some there were some details that you would expect from 36 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: an individual who might have had training. The Islamic State 37 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: has claimed responsibility for the attack via Ahmak, the news 38 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: agency that the so called news agency that ISIS uses, 39 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: So we have an ISIS attack on a London bound subway. 40 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: It was heading for central London from the suburbs of 41 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: London on a train and twenty nine hurt, no one killed. 42 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Yet another terrorist incident. Here's the police in London this 43 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: morning a Parson's Green Chief Stay san Um. There was 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: an explosion on a two train. Police have attended. We 45 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: now assess that this was a detonation of an improvised 46 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: improvised explosive device. Has of seeing the reports of eighteen 47 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: injuries and I understand most of those to be flashburns. 48 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: The same current remains cordoned off and the investigation continues. 49 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: So no one killed by this device, and that seems 50 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: like a near miracle. I will I'll follow up and 51 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: make sure that I have all the details for you 52 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: that we can on what the actual device was and 53 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: what we know about what it tells us about whether 54 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: this is likely an individual who just looked on the 55 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: internet and tried to do this on his own, or 56 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: somebody who might have had a bit of help. That's 57 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: why the device matters in the analysis of this beyond 58 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: the obvious law enforcement purposes. Uh. Initially it was reported 59 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: that it looked like it was a partial detonation, but 60 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: now as I'm looking at this, they it might have 61 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: just been not a particularly powerful device that was set 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: off in the subway. This is a script that we're 63 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: all quite familiar with at this point. I was on 64 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: Fox News this morning talking about this incident, and as 65 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: soon as as soon as we had the details of 66 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: bomb goes off subway London, we know it's a Gee 67 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: Hottest pretty much right, the chances are at that point, 68 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: so I said, it's the overwhelming statistical likelihood is that 69 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: this is a Gee Hottest incident. And this is we're 70 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: going to find out that the individual here probably had 71 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: contact with someone who maybe was himself a radical or 72 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: had contact with radicals online and was a Muslim. And 73 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: we'll hear that it will be the same story. You 74 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: always get the same story. There are some variations, but 75 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: that the basic facts of it are young Muslim male, 76 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: seemed everything seemed pretty no well, but then he got 77 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: a little weird. Then he got a little more religious. 78 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: But I never thought he'd do this, and oh he 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: had This is the way the media report said, Oh 80 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: he had some friends, he actually played soccer once in 81 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: a while or football. Uh and and who would have 82 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: thought that he'd ever become a terrorist? Don't know. And 83 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: then they'll after a few days has passed, they'll look 84 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: into this a bit more and I'll be oh, well, 85 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: actually he was in contact with an ISIS handler, or 86 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: he was going uh and spending time at a mosque 87 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: with a known radical who was on the radar of 88 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the authorities. Right, it always starts out with who who 89 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: could have ever thought? This is the way the media 90 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: talks about it. Who could have ever thought this would happen? 91 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: And then the details come in and we go, yeah, 92 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: that's exactly what we thought happened. Actually, there's nothing surprising here, 93 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing unusual. In fact, this is the standard here 94 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: we are. It's a it's a Friday. I would love 95 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 1: to be spending our time focused on single payer healthcare 96 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: and issues of policy that will affect our day to 97 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: day lives in that regard, but instead we have to 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: think about, well, and you've got a terrorist still very 99 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: much at large in London too. You always have the 100 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: possibility and I would even argue the probability of follow 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: on attacks from that individual or from other lone wolves, 102 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: because this is terror is about the theater of violence, 103 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: the theatricality of killing and wounding and maiming, because it 104 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: is a psychological war that they are engaged in, even 105 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: more so than it is a day to day operational 106 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: terrorists battle right there. They're trying to have long term 107 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: after effects from these incidents that change the way our 108 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: societies operate, that change the way we treat each other, 109 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: that change the way we live our lives. So they 110 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: try to get some momentum coming out of this for 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: more carnage in Mayhem. So there's always that possibility, and 112 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: this is why you'll see reports about how the various 113 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: security services or the police here at home wherever it 114 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: may be, are ramping up right there. They're getting ready 115 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: with the possibility that there will be uh follow on attacks. 116 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: In the case of London, we don't have anyone in 117 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 1: custody yet, so you have someone at least one person, 118 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: and it may be a cell. So there might be 119 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: three or four operational individuals that were involved in this 120 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: and they're still at large. Very unlikely that I think 121 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: they're just going to keep or this. Let's say it's 122 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: one person. We don't know yet, we don't know how 123 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: many individuals, but let's say it's one person. Just so 124 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: I can speak to you without having to run in circles. 125 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: This individual is unlikely to think that he can and 126 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: I will uh the overwhelming likelihood is that it is 127 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: a heat uh Isis has already claimed responsibility, so I think, 128 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: despite what they might think over at MSNBC, we can 129 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: probably rule out the Unitarians. I don't think they were 130 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: a part of this, you know, I don't think the 131 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: Episcopalians were building this. This I e ed. So now 132 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: we think, what will this person do? London, as so 133 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: many journalists with access to Wicked Pidia will tell you, 134 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: today is a place where there are a lot of 135 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: closed circuit TV cameras, so they're gonna be running through 136 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: all the footage. They're gonna be trying to work backwards 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: from the incident and see if they can tell who 138 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: the individual is. I would assume that anybody who had 139 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: even a basic understanding of terrorist trade craft would probably 140 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: try to hide their identity at some level if they 141 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: knew they were going to be engaged in this attack. 142 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: It could be as simple as you know, a hat 143 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: and glasses, right, but maybe not. Terrorists can be sloppy. 144 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: This terrorists certainly built a bomb that managed to kill 145 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: no one, although I know it wounded it, it hurt people, 146 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: but it didn't didn't kill anybody, which makes me think 147 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: that they're at. His proficiency is limited, which is all 148 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: to the good. Obviously, this is it. It is a 149 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: strange way to think about it. It is a good 150 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: thing that, uh, this person wasn't good at being a terrorist. 151 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: Otherwise we'd have a lot of dead people on our hands. 152 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: But I do worry because terrorists like the theater of 153 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: the violence. That's why they like build bombs. But some 154 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: of them understand that the carnage you can inflict with 155 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: day to day items. Forget about trying to build some 156 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: at home, i e. Ed mixing chemical compounds. If they 157 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: hadn't done that in Spain, remember the Barcelona terror cell 158 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: just a matter of weeks ago. That was a large 159 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: cell with pretty good trade craft, went off the grid, 160 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: went into what was a safe house, and we're not 161 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: disrupted by the security services. They had one I mom 162 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: that radicalized the whole bunch. Chose brothers because brothers are 163 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: less likely to turn on each other, so he had 164 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: sell cohesion and limited opportunities for security services in Spain 165 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: to break up that cell and to get to get 166 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: in front of it before anything could happen. But if 167 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: they had gone for vehicular attacks and not tried to 168 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: build bombs right away. If you would have I thy 169 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: believe they're about a dozen of them. If you would 170 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: have the dozen or so terrorists involved in Spain all 171 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: choose vehicles and then follow on attacks with knives or guns. 172 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,239 Speaker 1: I know they had fake suicide vests on the casualties 173 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: would have most most likely been much higher. More people 174 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: would have been killed, more people would have been maimed 175 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: by these hottest maniacs if they hadn't tried to build bombs, 176 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: because it was only when they destroyed their safe house 177 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: through faulty bomb making techniques, which the moment you start 178 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: mixing these compounds. And from my time at the NYPD 179 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: and and before I've had enough experience around people that 180 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: really know I was not an explosives expert, people that 181 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: really know bombs. I say that in trying to trying 182 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: to make this stuff at home, this is a you know, 183 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: do not try this at home situation with with any 184 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: of this bomb stuff. It's very uh, you know, for 185 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: for any purpose, right never my terrorism, but it's it's 186 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: very unstable. It's very difficult to do well, especially if 187 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: you don't have training and the facility for it. So 188 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: in this case, I worry that in London this this again, 189 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's a guy. This guy will this gee 190 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: hottest just try to get access to the nearest van. 191 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: Maybe he even hijacks a car with a knife and 192 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: then decides that he's going to just mow down as 193 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: many people in a public square park as he can. 194 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: That's why I think we have to now think about these, uh, 195 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,479 Speaker 1: these terrorist attacks in slightly different terms, because the spectacular 196 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: attack gave way to the lone wolf paramilitary style, uh 197 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: you know one off that that was more of a 198 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: of a standard and they would try to build a bomb. 199 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: But now that we're in the era of vehicular attacks, 200 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: any any suicidal gee hottest lunatic can get behind the 201 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: wheel of a car and do a lot of damage. 202 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: So this is why finding this person is very unlikely. 203 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: That he's going to just try to reintegrate himself into 204 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: British society and pretended this this whole incident where he 205 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: tried to kill a bunch of people on a subway 206 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: never happened, right, So the possibility of a following attack 207 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: is very real and right now there's a man hunt underway, 208 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: of course, and there are some reports that police are 209 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: worried about an additional attack, and I think they should be. 210 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: I would be. This is uh, this is an incident 211 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: where you can expect this person will not go quietly 212 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: and could try to do a lot more damage. So 213 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: we'll be following any updates throughout the show on this um. 214 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: We did have some responses from first, of course, our 215 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: our commander in chief, terrible things just keeps going and going, 216 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: and we have to be very smartly and to be 217 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: very very tough. We were like, we're not nearly nothing enough, 218 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: but that is just an apposolutely terrible thing. And back 219 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: to call the Prime Minister right now. We have to 220 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: be very smart, we have to be very very Perhaps 221 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: we're not nearly tough enough. That was President Trump. You 222 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: also have a national security advisor McMasters saying the phone. 223 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: The United States, of course stands in solidarity with the 224 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: both the United Kingdom and France. We will continue to 225 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: work tirelessly with our partners to prevent attacks, and of course, 226 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: the United States remains committed to defeating terrorist organizations as 227 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: well as their evil ideology. We will defend our people 228 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: and our values against these cowardly attacks, and we will 229 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: always stand with countries around the world to do the 230 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: same as somebody who worked on this issue professionally before. 231 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: I was in media and the CIA's kind of terrorism 232 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: center in one capacity, and then later on at the 233 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: NYPD in Tellence Division, also dealing just dealing with the 234 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: homegrown gee hottest threat primarily versus dealing with gee hottests 235 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: abroad at the CIA. UH, there's a frustration that sets 236 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: in with the analysis of this, with the so what 237 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: what do we do? Now? What do we do? Now? 238 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: You turn on the TV, they'll they'll try out all 239 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: these experts, some of them some of them are actual experts, 240 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: a lot of them are not, and they'll tell you 241 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: the same thing that you already know that you've heard 242 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: a hundred times. I think one of the problems we 243 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: face now is that we're becoming numb to this kind 244 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: of terrorism because of its frequency, and we are also 245 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: pushed away from having an open and honest discussion about 246 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: what the real route causes of this are. Ideology, in 247 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: this case, jihadism radical Islam is the precondition. You can 248 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: put anything else you want after it. But you do 249 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: not have a terrorist incident like this without an ideological 250 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: ignition and the ideological ignition that is by far the 251 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: biggest threat around the world, including the Muslim world and 252 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: in Europe and here in America, comes from within Islam. 253 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: In fact, you had McMaster's national security advisor talking about 254 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: their evil ideology. So instead of just saying, you know, 255 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: we come together with our allies and we're gonna be vigilant, 256 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: and you already know all of that, I want to 257 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: spend a little time with you today as somebody with 258 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: actual expertise in this subject, unlike a vast majority of 259 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: the folks that are going to be commenting on it 260 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: a lot, I want to walk you through some of 261 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: the ideology and let's let's have it. Let's have an 262 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: honest conversation about geehot is Um, the roots of jeehot 263 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: is Um, how we get to a place where you 264 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: now have individuals running around in the UK who want 265 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: to destroy it. We'll get to that. Buck sex in 266 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: here with you doing some analysis of the terror attack 267 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: in London and also the ideology the jeohot is Um 268 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: that inspired it Um eight four four Buck, if you've 269 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: got some thoughts on any of this, would like to 270 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: hear from you. I know it's a Friday, so I 271 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: would like to take a good number of calls, and 272 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend some time on this national security 273 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: issue and then a little bit on North Korea as well, 274 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: although these are two places where much of what there 275 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: is to say on on a news front is going 276 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: to be very familiar to you. With North Korea, you 277 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: have a very unwinnable situation for the Kim regime, but 278 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: also we have no way of really stopping them, so 279 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: it's just this continued aggressive stalemate. Uh. And then on 280 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: the terrorism side, the answers are unsatisfying that you get 281 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: from experts. After this it is difficulty hear, or at 282 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: least for me, I I lose patience with you know, 283 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: we need to be vigilant, and we need to understand 284 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: that we should not you know, islamophobias, the threat. Well 285 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: that's the way the left treats this stuff. And I 286 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: saw some some comments about wasn't I think Teresa May 287 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: said Trump isn't helpful And on the front page of 288 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: the New York Times this was right before I came in. 289 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: You had terrorist attack in London. I don't forget the 290 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: specific headline was, but it was also you know, Prime 291 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: Minister tells Trump he's not helping or something. It's like 292 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: with the New York Times. Even when when there's a 293 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: when they when a deranged Islamic terrorists tries to kill 294 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of people in the subway, Trump is still 295 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: somehow the problem. I think that tells us a lot. 296 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: I think that gives you a really good sense of 297 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: what their mentality is. And like I said, just wait 298 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: for it when when they finally get this guy, there'll 299 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: be some story about no, you know, nobody saw this 300 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: coming and you know he was a clean shaven for 301 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: so many years and used to like to watch movies. 302 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: And you know, terrorists are not mutants from another dimension. Yeah. 303 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean they have families too, right, But but they 304 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: always run these stories as as though they're trying to 305 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: work very hard to humanize the jihadah Is terrorists, so 306 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: that what we we don't think that they're that bad. 307 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what the conclusion that the New York 308 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: Times of Washington Post and others want us to draw 309 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: from that, but it's not good. Felix in Pennsylvania, welcome 310 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: to Freedom Hunt, sir. Hey, fuck, you know, I wanted 311 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: to give you a double thumbs up on historical deep dives. 312 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: You're really quite the eloquent storyteller. Oh thank you, sir. 313 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: You know, we'll we'll pepper them in here and there, 314 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: and you know, I'll pick some. I'll be picking my 315 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: shots with those. But I think once in a while 316 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: it's a nice change up. And I think that the 317 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: response on Facebook so far from it has been really positive. 318 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked it, Felix, and I know you 319 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: give it to me straight. So yeah, okay, now, you know, 320 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: I want to touch on something really quick since we're talking, 321 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: you know about this this uh, this Islam thing. You know, 322 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: it's been going on for what the last fourteen hundred years, 323 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: this class of two cultures and civilizations, and they don't 324 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: want to own up to it as a matter of fact. 325 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: And I think it was sevent I think it was 326 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson and John Adams traveled to London to meet 327 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: with the Bay of Algiers and to queery of him 328 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: as to why he attacks our shipping and enslaves our people. 329 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: And at that time they were about two and a 330 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: half to three million white European enslaved in North Africa 331 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: and these Muslim countries, and to tap that off our 332 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: Department of the Navy was founded in response to this 333 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: Islamic threat. All true, This is all what what's saying 334 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: everybody is all is all accurate in terms of the Navy, 335 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: and we sent over six frigates to deal with the 336 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: barbary Barbary states. So Felix Shields time and thank you, 337 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: and I'll get into the more right after break. Stay 338 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: with me. Welcome back, Buck Sexton, here with you. We're 339 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: talking about the terror attack in London, the suburb of London, 340 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to apply as much of my x C, I, 341 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: a CTC and NYPD Intel Division background to this as 342 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: I can, and as I always do in these circumstances. 343 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Here's a a good example of what I was talking 344 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: about before. With the frustration that I find with this 345 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: Washington Post tweets out the following story. Is it even 346 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: possible to protect a Ablick transit system from terror? The 347 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: answer they're gonna come up with us basically no. And 348 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: if you have individuals who subscribe to a belief system 349 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: that killing innocence in non Islamic countries and killing Muslims 350 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: in Islamic countries who do not agree with their interpretation 351 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: of Islam. You're already gonna be in trouble, right that 352 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: there's no way to completely deal with every security measure 353 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: and every possible plot that's never gonna happen. In a 354 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: free society, there will be vulnerability. So I mean, I 355 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: can save you the time of going through the Washington Post, 356 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: and they'll probably scare you by saying on trains have 357 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: even less security, as though we all need t s 358 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: a pat downs now to get on the train. Right, 359 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: that's it's not an option. I certainly hope it's not 360 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: an option. And because then it will be, well, what 361 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: about busses, And then it will be what about public gatherings? 362 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: And then it will be don't leave your home. We 363 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: live in a free society. There will be risks. The 364 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: Washington Post, though, won't deal with. As I said, the precursor, 365 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: the nest Serai precondition. The first step in all of 366 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: this is a belief in a form of Islam, and 367 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: then you can have these kinds of attacks, and so 368 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: you have to look at the problem. You have to 369 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: name the problem. So to dive into this together, I 370 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: want to bring your attention to a story that was 371 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: from a few days ago, and a situation elsewhere in 372 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: the world to illuminate what's happening in London, because to 373 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: talk about in the context of London. What they'll do 374 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: is you'll have all oh, you'll have you'll have spokespersons 375 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: for you know, the the the Islamic Council of the UK, 376 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: and they'll come out let's say, you know, look at 377 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: one one percent is terrorists or has extremist views or what. Actually, 378 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: when you look at the support for sharia law and 379 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: the polling in the UK as well as elsewhere, it's 380 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: actually not one pc. It's it's it's enough that it's scary, 381 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's eight percent of a population or 382 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: of a population, or you know, you go around Europe 383 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: and you start to look at what the Muslim populations believe. 384 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're terrorists. I'm just saying what they believe, 385 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: these minorities within the majority, and it's troubling. It's troubling 386 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: on the issues of freedom of expression, of women's rights. Look, 387 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: we're in a battle in this country for freedom of expression. 388 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you about that that in the next hour. 389 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: But if I have yeah, I we'll have time for that. Ah. 390 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: But I wanted to focus on for a few moments, 391 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: what's happening. Well, first a cleric in and then also 392 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: the situation surrounding him in Indonesia. I know, terrorist attack 393 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: in London, Buck, Why do you want to tell us 394 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: about Indonesia. Well, here's why, and if you follow me, 395 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: I think you'll find this worthwhile. It is. It is 396 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: absolutely more worthwhile than what you hear, which is some 397 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: people pounding the table. You know, we gotta kill all 398 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: the terrorists and we've got to be tough and we've 399 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: gotta stop them. Yeah, okay, we all agree on that. 400 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: And then the other side and left you're gonna have 401 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: like maybe if you were nicer to them, and no, 402 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. Oh maybe it's because there's poverty. 403 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: A lot of poor people don't strap on suicide vests. 404 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: So those are the idiot explanations. But they're still out 405 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: there and they'll get a lot of play, and they'll 406 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: put experts on, and they like to put experts on, 407 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: and they did this to me at CNN. Sometimes they'll 408 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: put experts on who will and they're not real experts, 409 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: by the way, but they love to have somebody who's 410 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: from an ethnic minority that has associated with Islam to 411 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: come on and basically play the race card slash islamophobe 412 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: card against anybody who wants to talk about terrorism. Honestly, 413 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: that's that's like one oh one terrorism analysis for democrats 414 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: and the left wing media. That's what they do. So 415 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: because you're here with me, the freedom, we're gonna we're 416 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: gonna skip that nonsense. It's a big waste. So let's 417 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: talk about some things that matter. I mentioned Indonesia. Why, well, 418 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: here's why. There was a an interview with a cleric 419 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: in Indonesia who has a large following. His name is 420 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: Yahia Stuckoff. He is fifty one years old and he 421 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: is general secretary of an organization is not atl Ulema, 422 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: which you're like, buck, what is that? Well, it has 423 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: fifty million members, so it's big. It is in fact 424 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: the largest Muslim organization in the largest Muslim country in 425 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: the world, Indonesia, which has getting close to three people 426 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: and is overwhelmingly Muslim, although there are some areas of 427 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: Bali which people know about for vacations and things like 428 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: that is a Hindu and there are other there are 429 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: parts of it that are ethnic Chinese and but Nonetheless, 430 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: it's a Muslim majority country, and not enough people in 431 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: this country know about the history of Indonesia and it's 432 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: oppression of and uh well East Team Or which was 433 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: a Christian a tiny Christian outpost within Indonesia, and how 434 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: it was how terribly it was treated, and all of 435 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: the horrible stuff that went on. They're not often talked about. 436 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world. 437 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: And we have a guy from the largest Muslim organization 438 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: in the largest Muslim country in the world giving an 439 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: interview to Time magazine. He says the following, and I 440 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: think you should all hear it. Question. Many Western politicians 441 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: and intellectuals say that Islamist terrorism has nothing to do 442 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: with Islam. What is your view, Indonesian cleric, who is 443 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: the head of a fifty million person Muslim organization. Largest 444 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: Muslim majority country in the world, by the way, Number 445 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: two is India, even though it's a majority Hindu country. 446 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: It's such a large country that it's Muslim population is 447 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: second in the world for any country, because you know, 448 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: India's like a billion people, but the Muslim population Indonesia's larger. Okay, 449 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: here's what this guy says, uh, western elector will say 450 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: there's nothing to do with Islam. What is your view? 451 00:25:53,440 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: His response quote, Western politicians should stop pretending that extremism 452 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: and terrorism have nothing to do with Islam. There is 453 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: a clear relationship between fundamentalism, terrorism and the basic assumptions 454 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: of Islamic orthodoxy. So long as we lack consensus regarding 455 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: this matter, we cannot gain victory over fundamentalist violence within Islam. 456 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: Radical Islamic movements are nothing new. They've appeared again and 457 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: again throughout our own history in Indonesia. The West must 458 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: stop ascribing any and all discussion of these issues to 459 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Islamophobia Or do people want to accuse me, an Islamic 460 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: scholar of being an islamophob too? Wow? Right, isn't that refreshing? 461 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: Sky is saying, Look, he look, he advocates for moderate Islam. 462 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: He advocates for reformer than the faith. He And this 463 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: isn't some guy who's like a puppet of you know, 464 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: the Erican media or something, Right, this is a guy 465 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: who's got a huge following in Indonesia, and he is 466 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: saying that in the West, these people who refused to 467 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: say that Islam has a terrorism problem, their clowns. They're idiots, 468 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: they're jokers, but it's obviously deadly serious stuff. But their imbeciles. 469 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: Straight up, they're pathetic PC cowards. Okay, well, I'm glad 470 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: we've established that that will make our discussions here even easier. Um, 471 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: although we already of course knew this. So I think 472 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: that I think this is fascinating. Do you think that 473 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: the media really picked this up other than now, now, 474 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: this guy, let's not you know, we don't want to 475 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: have that. We don't want to talk about this guy. 476 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk about his lama phobia. Let's let's take a 477 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: let's take a story about a girl who claims that 478 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: somebody said something mean about her hidge job on the 479 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: subway and making a national news story. Now, because you 480 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: know islamophobia, a lot of people reading the Huffing your 481 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: post can go cry about it and then they'll find 482 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: out that it was fake and they'll say, oh, well, 483 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: we go No, we're just raising awareness, raising awareness of 484 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: what jerks they are. All Right, here's the next question. 485 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: What basic assumptions within traditional Islam are problematic? Remember this 486 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: is a journalist asking this Muslim scholar with a huge 487 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: following in Indonesia to go into the doctrine the basic assumptions, 488 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: as he calls it, of Islam and tell us what's problematic. 489 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: You're already way beyond what you could get. You know, 490 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: if it was Buck saying this in the old sen Is, 491 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, such an islamophob Oh my gosh, 492 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: why do you know? You always always amazing to me, 493 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: the stuff that you'll stuff that you'll hear on some 494 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: of these networks. But anyway, here's the question, is what 495 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: basic assumptions within traditional Islam or problematic? The scholar. The 496 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 1: Muslim scholar answers as follows the relationship between Muslims and 497 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: non Muslims, the relationship of Muslims with the state, and 498 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: Muslims relationship to the prevailing legal system wherever they live. 499 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: Within the classical tradition, the relationship between Muslims and non 500 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: Muslims is assumed to be one of segregation and enmity, 501 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: as in, Muslims who believe in classical Islamic interpretation separate 502 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: themselves from the rest of the community and do not 503 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: like people outside the community that they are in. Now 504 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: that's not all Muslims, but it is people that take 505 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: this interpretation, which is the classical Orthodox interpretation. According to 506 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: this scholar, with tens of millions of people who were 507 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: followers of his, can can we get some guy to 508 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: come over. I'm a professor from the University of California 509 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: at AT who cares, And I'm here to tell you 510 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: that Islamophobia is the primary problem that we face. And no, no, 511 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm a scholar. Excuse me, said I. I took a 512 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: semester and a half of FARSI I don't want to 513 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: hear it. I've got a fake British accent and I'm 514 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: on TV. Now that's what you get. You know, professors, 515 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: they'll put on they'll you know, all this stuff, all 516 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: these you know, the fancy intellectual types from different schools, 517 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: whenever they put them on and say, oh, no, anybody 518 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: who makes these claims. But Islam is a bigot not 519 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: making claim but every individual Muslim just like And I 520 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: think this is a good illustration. If you had met 521 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: somebody from behind the Iron Curtain in the age of 522 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: Soviet domination, if you had met somebody and you sat 523 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: down with them, would you think that they're a bad person? 524 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: Of course not. There's hundreds of millions of people. It's 525 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: not their fault and they're you know that. But would 526 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: you have said that the Kremlin's got some pretty bad 527 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 1: ideas and there's some stuff that needs to get worked out. 528 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: I think the answer is yes. Could you say that 529 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: there are some ideas that are at the very basis 530 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: of of Marxism that at least are you could be 531 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: sympathetic to. I mean, yeah, maybe you have that discussion right. 532 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: But because this is in the religious fear instead of 533 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: the political sphere, we're all supposed to just step aside 534 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: and not want to touch it. But no, here we 535 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: have an Islamic scholar talking about this. So he says 536 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: that the relationship between Muslims and non Muslims, and the 537 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: relationship with the state, and the relationship to the legal 538 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: system is all problematic under traditional interpretation of Islam. So 539 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: is he is he a self hating Muslim? Is that 540 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: what we're gonna be told? And I have to ask 541 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: why hasn't this interview gotten more? I mean, yeah, a 542 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: journalist did cover that, did put it out there. This 543 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: seems like it's worth some time, don't you think it 544 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: seems like that kind And this was just from this 545 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: was published September seven. Okay, so this is recent. I'm 546 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: not reaching back into history. I could have, but I've 547 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: been wanting to talk to you about this for a 548 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: few days. I'm not gonna say that I was waiting 549 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: for the next terrorist attack, but I'm not gonna say 550 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: that didn't cross my mind that there would be an 551 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about this in the relatively near future, 552 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: whether because of Syrio or something. And here we are. 553 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: Isn't it also interesting that I could go on Fox 554 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: News this morning and knowing just that a bomb blew 555 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: up in London. Yeah, it's hot at him? Did you 556 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: do I I'm not pretending like that's a great call. 557 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: It's the most obvious thing in the world, right, But 558 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: what does that tell us? There's six billion people in 559 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: the world, a lot of non Muslims in the world. 560 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: What what does it say what a bomb goes off 561 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: on a subway and one of the most cosmopolitan major 562 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: cities on the planet and we're like, yeah, well that 563 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: was a g hotest that was somebody from the Muslim faith. 564 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: I think that's what you'd call an indicator of a problem. 565 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: I want to get into the rest of this. I 566 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: think fascinating interview and it's really worth our time. I 567 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: believe it is um and then I will get I 568 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: see every line is lit. We will get to some 569 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: calls I want to hear from you too. Later on. 570 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: I've got a little more history to do with you. 571 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: And also I'm gonna do some Facebook comments. We're gonna 572 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: read off some Facebook comments to get some audience. Some 573 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: digital era interaction going here, and then will also have 574 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: a YouTube YouTube commentator to it. We got some fun 575 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 1: stuff plan for later. But we're gonna work through this 576 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: Gehottism analysis together and we'll take some calls and I 577 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: will be right back buck back with you now in 578 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: the freedom hunt. Lines are lit. Let's take some calls here. 579 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: Josh in Pennsylvania on w w V A Hey Josh, yeah, yes, Josh, 580 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: how you doing good? Are you good? Thanks for calling in? 581 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: What's in your mind? I wanted to ask you, why 582 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: do you think I'll give you my opinion after you 583 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: I hear yours? But why do you think there is 584 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: no terrorist attacks that we hear of anyhow in places 585 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: like Beijing, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Dubai, even monks in Russia. Well, uh, 586 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: did you say, Russia. There are a lot of terrorist 587 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: attacks in Russia. UM and and Johannes terrorist attacks, big ones, 588 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: But I'll get to that in a second if you 589 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: want the the other places you mentioned, though, China, I 590 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: think I know what your point is going to be, 591 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to to get your point. I 592 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: just want to make sure that i'm speaking factually about 593 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: all this. China does have Jihada's terror attacks, but they're minimal. 594 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: They're very, very few, and they occur in the western 595 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: part of China where there's an ethnic minority group, religious 596 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: minority group. They're called the Wagers, who are Muslim Chinese, 597 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: and they are not happy with being a part of 598 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: Beijing's whole situation. There have been some knife attacks in 599 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: and UH train stations there, for example, by the Weaker's UM. 600 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: I think I'm not somebody. China is a place that 601 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: I haven't spent as much time studying as the Middle East, 602 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: so I don't want to get too far into what's 603 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: going on with the Wakers. But yeah, so you've got 604 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: wiggers in western China, and then you have you mentioned Japan. Yeah, look, Japan, 605 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: the the crime rate in forget about terrors and the 606 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: crime rate in Japan is so low that the police 607 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: are having to find things to do because they can't 608 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: even find petty crimes to deal with. So they're finding 609 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: like little violations, you know. They it's like, uh, you know, 610 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: a rogue squirrel got loosened somebody's attic and they assigned 611 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: five detectives to it. There have been people writing stories 612 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: about this recently because crime in Japan is like practically 613 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: non existent. There was a terrorist incident some years ago. 614 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: I think it was on the subway with Sarah and 615 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: Sarah and gas attack, actually with umshun Rico, which was 616 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: a Japanese terrorist group. But of that, you know, yeah, 617 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: there's no gih hottest terrorism in Japan because there there's 618 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: basically no Islamic community in Japan, which is a precondition 619 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: for being uh gee hottest, right. I mean, I'm not 620 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: saying that all Muslims are giottest, but all the hottest 621 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: are Muslims. So there you go. Um, and so what's now? 622 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: I feel like you've got a response for me though, Josh, 623 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: what what was that? Well, basically that there's a very 624 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: minimal amount of Muslims there, therefore minimal geotis and they 625 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: don't accept the refugees, don't go there. They don't want 626 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,439 Speaker 1: them at any any of those places. They limit their immigration. Yeah, 627 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean Japan does limit their immigration, and I think 628 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: for across the board. I mean, it's very, very hard 629 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: to become a Japanese citizen if you're not Japanese. I 630 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: don't know what their specific imgration laws are, but you know, 631 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: we we liked, we we like Japan. We kind of 632 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: give it a pass and the fact that it's a 633 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: pretty cultural and I have I have not spent time there, 634 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: so I'm just basically on friends of mine who are 635 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: legitimate Far East experts and their thoughts on it. But 636 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: I've talked to them about it, and it's it's not 637 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: a xenophobic place, but it's not really, Uh, it's they 638 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: want you to visit, but they don't want you to 639 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: stay there. That's that's the They're happy for you to 640 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: come and hang out in Tokyo, but like you're not 641 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: going to live there the rest of your life and 642 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: have your kids there. That's kind of the way it works. 643 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: Josh Shields time, and thank you for calling in. I 644 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: mentioned Russia, or rather he mentioned Russia, and I know 645 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: he was just rattling off countries. But Russia has gotten 646 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: hit by Islamic terrorism and it hit hard many times. 647 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: And in fact, after nine eleven there was a reprochement 648 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: between Putin and Bush because because the forces, the powers 649 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: that be in the Kremlin had to deal with it. 650 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: There was the Moscow Theater siege, which ended very tragically, 651 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: a lot of casualties. There. There was the Beslan school massacre, 652 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: which is so horrific that I just you generally want 653 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: to stay, you know, it's not something you want to 654 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: read about before you try and sleep. A lot of 655 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: suicide bombers, all kinds of problems in Russia. So but 656 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: they have a there is an Islamic minority in Russia. 657 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: The CAUCUSUS States are in some cases Muslim states. So 658 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: team Buck, thank you for being here with me. We're 659 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: talking about the ideology of jihadism in the aftermath of 660 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: a terrorist attack in London. Not a lot of satisfying 661 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: answers about what to do next, how we stop this, 662 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: what we're supposed to be thinking the next steps are 663 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: in this war on terror, this war on uh Islamic terrorism, 664 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 1: radical Islamic terrorism, and part of this is just being 665 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: able to really talk about what's happening. At some point 666 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: in the future, I plan on doing some some deep 667 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: dives with you into just how. And I know I'm 668 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: moving off the subject of Islam for a second, but 669 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: I think that historical parallels are useful for illustrating the 670 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: current moment as long as you're clear about you know this, 671 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: not nothing is exact right. But the American left, Democrats, Progressives, Commies, 672 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders voters. They although Bernie Sanders wasn't around at 673 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: this time, or or was he? Hell old is Bernie again? Uh? 674 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: They he did go to the Soviet Union for his honeymoon. 675 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: But they were making excuses for the Soviet Union for decades. 676 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: They were finding ways to be favorably disposed towards Communism. 677 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: And before the real height of the Cold War, there 678 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: were a lot of prominent Americans, connected, educated, wealthy Americans 679 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: who were seduced by the so called workers paradise of 680 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. After the stock market crash in the 681 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 1: US and the Great Depression, it was a widespread belief 682 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: that communism and the workers paradise of the Soviet Union 683 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: was It was now inevitable that that that would triumph, 684 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: and we think of the twentieth centuries capitalism baby commerce. 685 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: Actually there was a time when it looked like communism 686 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: in some circles at least would win. And the communism 687 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: was more ethical, that it was more moral, that it 688 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: was better, and the American laud I'm gonna talking about 689 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. The American left intelligentsia worked very hard 690 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: to cover up the crimes of the Soviet Union, most 691 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: famously Walter Durante, reporter who went over there and pretended 692 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: there was no famine in the Ukraine when there was, 693 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: and there were others as well. Um The God That 694 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: Failed is one of my favorite works that addresses this issue. 695 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: Its former communists writing essays and there there it's a 696 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: collection of really excellent writers writing essays about their time 697 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: being brought into communism and then the realization that this 698 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: is really an evil cult as much as it was 699 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: a political ideology. But the American left was complicit in that, 700 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 1: and they were trying to suppress the truth and they 701 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: didn't want to have a discussion. Today, with Islam and terrorism, 702 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: you have a similar effect at work. And when I'm 703 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: trying to talk about the ideology that pushed the person 704 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: in London to try and kill a bunch of a 705 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: bunch of his fellow Brits. I you know, assuming that 706 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: he's born there is a citizen, but his fellow Brits. 707 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: And we turned around and were told, don't talk about why. 708 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: Don't talk about the mentality the why he did this, 709 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: unless you're gonna say it's because of poverty or oppression 710 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: or some other such such complete nonsense. Back to this 711 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: article about what is not nonsense, which is that the 712 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: ideology of Islam lends itself when you take a traditional 713 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: you could say fundamentalist if you want a traditional interpretation 714 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 1: of Islam. There's an inherent hostility between Muslims and non Muslims. 715 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: He's saying, it's just a fact. I'm sure a lot 716 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: of you are like, yeah, it is. But this is 717 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: a Muslim scholar with an enormous following in the largest 718 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: Muslim country in the world, and he's saying it's just 719 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: a fact. And you can tell these journalists are are 720 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,959 Speaker 1: this One journalist interviewing him is is concerned. He says, 721 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: a Western So let me just repeat what the last 722 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: statement was. So what basic assumptions within traditional Islam are problematic? 723 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: The response from the scholar is that the relation between 724 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: Muslims and the state, Muslims and non Muslims, and the 725 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: relationship to the legal system. And then he says, perhaps 726 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: there were reasons for this during the Middle Ages when 727 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: the tenets of Islamic orthodoxy were established, but in today's 728 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: world such a doctrine is unreasonable. To the extent that 729 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: Muslims adhere to this view of Islam, it renders them 730 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 1: incapable of living harmoniously and peacefully within the multicultural, multi 731 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: religious societies of the twenty one century. What he's saying 732 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: here is, look this the the uh Salafi interpretation salaf 733 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,439 Speaker 1: and and this is a a more accurate, i guess, 734 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: more nuanced way of referring to what we would call 735 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: around the nine eleven nine eleven era Wahabism, which is 736 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: the Saudi interpretation of Islam that is named for even 737 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: Abdula Wahab, who is an eighteenth century preacher on the 738 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: Arabian Peninsula who made an allegiance with the House of 739 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: Saud to defeat other tribes. He was sort of the 740 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: ideology guy, and the Salad the House of Saud was 741 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: the the muscle and they made an allegiance, and they 742 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: took over the peninsula, I mean, the the Arabian peninsula, 743 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: took over what is now Saudi Arabia. That's why they 744 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: call it Saudi Arabia. But Wahab, even Abdul Wahab was 745 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: the fundamentalist preacher, but he didn't come up with this 746 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: interpretation of Islam. It existed before him. They don't like 747 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 1: to be called waha or rather they say, don't call 748 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: it Wahabism because that's almost idolatry, you know, you don't 749 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: name it for the cleric. And so now they say 750 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: salaf is um. And I'm just just to just so, 751 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: you know. So when your buddies like, oh, your islamaphore, like, yeah, 752 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: tell me about Salaphism, they're like, oh, I like, I like, 753 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, virgin olive oil dressing on my Salaphism. I mean, 754 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: they have no idea what the heck they're talking about, right. 755 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: So Salafism is traditional Islam. The word comes from Salaf, 756 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: which are the forefathers in Arabic, the forefathers of Islam. 757 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 1: And it is an interpretation that relies upon the life 758 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: of the prophet Mohammed and what are known after Mohammed 759 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: as the Russia done, the rightly guided caliphs, the the 760 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: first leaders of the Islamic community of the Umah, which 761 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 1: is their term for the the whole community of Islamic believers, 762 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: and the way they live their lives in the seventh 763 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: ninth century. That's what salaphi Ism is. You will notice 764 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: that when you read as I have and spend a 765 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: lot of time studying the communications and proclamations of jihadists, 766 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,760 Speaker 1: of Muslim extremist terrorists all over the world, they take 767 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: a viewpoint of Islam that is similar, that is based 768 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: in textualism, and that is based in the history of 769 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: Islam as a religion that was from its very origins 770 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: used as a justification for force from day from the beginning, 771 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: right go back to the life of the problem Mohammad himself. Okay, 772 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: so with all of that established, we're talking now about Salafism. 773 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: And then people will say, well, there's an interpretation and made. 774 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: I apologize if I'm getting too far down the rabbit hole, 775 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: but I think this is worth I think I do 776 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: think this is worthwhile. If you want someone to go, 777 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: if you want them to trot out, you know a 778 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: general who retired in like n and who has never 779 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: even been to a Muslim country. You can turn on 780 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: any number of TV, stage and world where gotta wire here, 781 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,439 Speaker 1: We're I gotta just defeat islam Man. We just gotta 782 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: defeat him. And look, you know, any anyone who serves 783 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,399 Speaker 1: respect their service. But not everybody knows what they're talking 784 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: about with the Muslim world, right, So if you want 785 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: to have a discussion about what's going on now, I 786 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: think this is important. I think understanding the basis and 787 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: the ideology matters um and if you disagree, that's why 788 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: you can call in or We've got Facebook and you know, 789 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: we have any number of ways for you to try 790 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: to help guide this show. Because this I'm here, I'm 791 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: here on ready to serve all of you. So Salafism 792 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: is a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam, and when you look 793 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: at where Salafism comes from, it is often exported as 794 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: though it's a product, although it's an ideology from Saudi Arabia. 795 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: We'll get back into that in a moment. But in 796 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: this interview with this Indonesian cleric published in Time magazine, 797 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: that I've been telling you about, who has a following, 798 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: who's the head of an organization of fifty million Muslims 799 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,959 Speaker 1: in Indonesia. Indonesia is also a country that is often 800 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: pointed to by defenders of Islam as look at how 801 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: it works in local traditions, and they're sort of a 802 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: multi ethnic mosaic going on and multi yes and no 803 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: true but also true but changing, which if I have time, 804 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: I'll get to I know, I said I would talk 805 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: to you about North Korea, but that might get I 806 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: don't know. We're gonna have the North Korea or the 807 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: Berkeleys free speech. Jeff MA not sure which one will 808 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 1: drop on the cutting room floor for today. There's always 809 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: more time. That's why you can hang on the next 810 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: week whenever you want. Uh. But this Indonesian cleric says 811 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: the following, or in response to this question, says the following. 812 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: A Western politician would likely be accused of racism for 813 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: saying what you just said. This is about lack of 814 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: harmony between Muslims and non Muslims who believe in the 815 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: traditional interpretation of Islam. The response is from this cleric 816 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: is as follows quote. I'm not saying that Islam is 817 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: the only factor causing Muslim minorities in the West to 818 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: lead a segregated existence, often isolated from society as a whole. 819 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: There may be other factors on the part of the 820 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 1: host nations, such as racism, which exists every in the world, 821 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: but traditional Islam, which fosters an attitude of segregation and 822 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: enmity towards non Muslims, is an important factor. This guy 823 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: is saying, Islam, you know this, you gotta talk about it, 824 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: you gotta factor it in. It's and it's the traditional interpretation. 825 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: It's not a new radicalization that has just they've just 826 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: come up with the twentieth century. We had a caller 827 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: before rightly talking about the Barbary Wars. The first foreign 828 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: US war was against Muslim states, the Barbary States what 829 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: is now North Africa, and we had to fight that 830 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: war because they were through no provocations. This is in 831 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: the I mean the US had no colonies, the US 832 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: had no quarrel and stated as much to the Bay 833 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: of Algiers, to the leaders of these North African states, 834 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: the Barbary the so called Barbary states, and they said, yeah, 835 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: but you're not Muslims, so we have a holy right. 836 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: In fact, we have a an obligation to enslave you 837 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 1: and plunder you and do whatever you want because you're 838 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: not Muslims. That was all that was it, And so 839 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: we had to commission a navy and we had to 840 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: go over there. And you know, if those of you 841 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 1: who live in one of the many Decatur cities or 842 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: towns this country, what is Decatur, Illinois or Iowa, I forget, 843 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: but the history of Stephen Decatur fascinating. One of our 844 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 1: first special operations raids uh fighting in the barbariwards. This 845 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: is also lost to history. People don't talk about it. 846 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: But we had to go over there to stop them. 847 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: That's why we were there too. That we went to 848 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: the shores of Tripoli, like from the marine him to 849 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: the shores of Tripoli because of radical Islam. And I 850 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: think it's important that the American people remember that now 851 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: we did. We had no quarrel with them. They had 852 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,279 Speaker 1: a quarrel with us, and it was religiously based. It 853 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: was doesn't mean that every Muslim in North Africa was 854 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: a bad guy or a gal. They does, but that 855 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: was the ideology and that was the problem. And this 856 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: is why when we try to talk about this now, 857 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: I just find it uh so frustrating because there are 858 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: people that would much rather engage in virtue signaling and 859 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,760 Speaker 1: talk about how they have You know, my my peaceful 860 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: Muslim friends are so great and everything I've got peaceful 861 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: Muslim friends. That's not the point. The point is not 862 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 1: that anyone individual who falls within a vast religious tradition 863 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,240 Speaker 1: is bad. The point is not that a religious tradition 864 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: that is vast is itself bad. Is that from within 865 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: that tradition there are some problems, problems that need to 866 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: be addressed, problems that the first step in addressing, because 867 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: it's ideological, is speaking openly about them. So for me, 868 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: this is more valuable than just running around saying, you know, 869 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna crush them, And like I think 870 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 1: that Trump saying that they're losers. I actually I like 871 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 1: the Geehottes should be mocked. Jee hottest should be ridiculed. 872 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: We should make sure that we do everything in our 873 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,840 Speaker 1: power to show that their beliefs are not just heinous 874 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 1: and evil, but also just pathetic and dumb and disconnected 875 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,479 Speaker 1: from the world and end in terrible outcomes for those 876 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 1: who who subscribe to them. I think mockery of Jihada's 877 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,799 Speaker 1: belief is a great thing. It should be done much more, 878 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,839 Speaker 1: much more openly. We we tend to because they hold 879 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: themselves up as as being so vicious, and they are vicious, 880 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: but that we we seek. We see them as this uh, 881 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,959 Speaker 1: this this devoted and you know, enemy with great zeal 882 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: and yeah, there are also a bunch of idiots and 883 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,800 Speaker 1: clowns and their cowards. We should we should speak about 884 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,799 Speaker 1: that too. So I actually, as I know that Trump 885 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: got some criticism from Theresa matheis, I actould like that. 886 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: I like that he calls them losers. I like that 887 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 1: he calls him out for being scum. I don't want 888 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: to sit around and pretend like these are holy warriors 889 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 1: that are coming to our doorstep, and what will we 890 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 1: do to you? No, no, no, they're losers. We should 891 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: we gotta take them out. But they are losers. Um. 892 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 1: I think I was going to talk to you about 893 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 1: what's going on in Indonesia and the similarities between Islamization 894 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: and Indonesia and Nigeria, and how it starts off with 895 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: Shariah in a few provinces and in a few places, 896 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know, and I might, I don't I 897 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: know some of your kind like Buck, you know what, 898 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: why don't we talk a little abou Berkeley and anti Fi. 899 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: Why don't you we already with Salah and waha that 900 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot. I know it's been a 901 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 1: lot today. But this is what I all I all 902 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: I do is stand around thinking about what I can 903 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: tell you on the show to make this is worthwhile 904 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: for all of you as humanly possible. So this is 905 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: what happens. You know, it's deep. It's like deep dive. 906 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: We're going. We're going so deep that you know. Joe 907 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: in Wyoming listening on the Blaze radio, what's up, Joe, Joe? Hello, Bueller, 908 00:51:52,920 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: Bueller Bueller. Barry in Mississippi on w BUV, Hey Barry, 909 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 1: what's up? I'm all right, man, how are you? Great? Great? Um? 910 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: But a realistic solution is to convert them all to Christianity. 911 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: But that's being said the answer that that's you're realistic 912 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: or unrealistic. I'm assuming you mean you're unrealistic. Well, I 913 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,640 Speaker 1: say realistic in that in that uh it's righteous, you know, uh, 914 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: as opposed to the real answer of don't let any 915 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,399 Speaker 1: in the country because, as we can prove you don't 916 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,720 Speaker 1: let him in. You don't have terrorism. Uh. But everybody 917 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,840 Speaker 1: would say, but what about religious freedom or what about 918 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: the millions of peaceful Muslims? And you and you just 919 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: brought up a core of Islam is really world conquest. Uh, 920 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: it's in the Koran. And I've got been pointing out 921 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,840 Speaker 1: the book. You probably read it. But Robert Spencer the 922 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: truth about Islam. It's all it's all sourced from ancient 923 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: Islamic text. So he's not making it up. It's not opinion. 924 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: He's just telling you what they really say in their text. 925 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,759 Speaker 1: So anyway, Uh, he brings up the world conquest is 926 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: what they're all about. And they're doing it in a 927 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 1: peaceful way more than they're doing it in a violent way. 928 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard the term civilization jihad. Uh. If 929 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 1: we didn't have limits on immigration, well, sure enough, they'd 930 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: send ten million over here, and they conquer our country 931 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 1: just through population. Right now, they're doing it just as 932 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: fast as they can get people in here. It's just 933 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,360 Speaker 1: slow because it takes a while. Uh. We're covering, covering 934 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 1: a lot of covering a lot of territory there. Uh look, 935 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: there's there's a and I thank I thank you for 936 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: calling in Bury. There are UH. It's a small it's 937 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: a small minority within the Islamic faith that takes this 938 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 1: uh Salafi view. I'm not even talking about terrorists. I'm 939 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 1: just talking about Salafi meaning the fundamentalist view within Islam. 940 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,359 Speaker 1: But they because because it's so big. You're talking about 941 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,840 Speaker 1: about one point six one point seven billion people, one percent, 942 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 1: five percent, ten percent. That's a lot of people. And 943 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: going back to our UH analogy of the Russian Revolution 944 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 1: which led to the communist takeover of Russia and the 945 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 1: Soviet Union, and and the not just the not just 946 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: condemning people to a couple of generations of servitude and 947 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: slavery behind the on curtain, but also the possibility of 948 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,320 Speaker 1: nuclear war between the two powers of the time, the 949 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,880 Speaker 1: US and the Soviet Union. It was a small it 950 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,719 Speaker 1: was a small minority that was running around the Bolsheviks. 951 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,040 Speaker 1: We were not winning an elections when they got started. 952 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: I can tell you that they were not. And people 953 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 1: now forget that there was the Mensheviks. There are these 954 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: other groups, other Marxist outfits running around. There was in 955 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: fighting with them, and you know, Stalin hated Trotsky and 956 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 1: I think Trotsky ended up with an ice uh ice 957 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,919 Speaker 1: axe in the back of his head in Mexico City, 958 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,800 Speaker 1: and you know, because he was a heretic, and you 959 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: know all that stuff. But the point here is that 960 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: a small but dedicated, hardline ideological minority is able to 961 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,719 Speaker 1: change the world. And this is the philosophy that many 962 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: of these gattists have. Forget about the tenets of Islam 963 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: and traditional they're just saying that we are the true believers. 964 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that we're five one percent. 965 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,719 Speaker 1: It does whatever the percent, you know, when the first 966 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,960 Speaker 1: of all, no one knows, So whenever it's er, they 967 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: don't say it's five percent. It's okay, Well, you know, 968 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: says who says who? What polls? Polls, what polls? You 969 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: know is, as long as we're talking about this in generalities, 970 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's gonna be a it's a big 971 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: enough group that it's a problem, obviously, right, It's a 972 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: big enough group that it's an issue. Um, if you 973 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: want me to talk about the Islamization of Indonesia on 974 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 1: a similar time line to what happened in Nigeria, which 975 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 1: led a lot of violence there, let me know, because 976 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 1: I think I think I've pulled myself back from like 977 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 1: the weeds on that one a bit. But maybe another 978 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,400 Speaker 1: time I'll get into that. Uh, you know, let's talk Berkeley. Next. 979 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,279 Speaker 1: North Korea. They fired a missile. Kim Jong uns a jerk. 980 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 1: It's not gonna stop. It's really scary for now the end, 981 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's not much else to say other than 982 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, we've got them boxed in, but they're getting 983 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: better missiles and they're getting a little crazier with them. 984 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: But nothing's gonna change tomorrow. Really. There you had some 985 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,359 Speaker 1: protesters at the uh, the Ben Shapiro speech last night, 986 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,800 Speaker 1: which went off. It was fine, that was able to speak, 987 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,960 Speaker 1: and you know, I got a lot of everyone's being like, 988 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: oh gosh, this big speech is gonna happen, and there's 989 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,480 Speaker 1: gonna be all this craziness. I mean, there were some 990 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 1: there was some stuff going on. Um and I saw 991 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: that the price tag for this was six hundred thousand dollars, 992 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 1: which certainly seems certainly seems like there's gonna be a 993 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: barrier to entry for some conservatives going forward here because 994 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: who's gonna want to pay that kind of money? What 995 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 1: municipality is going to want to pay that kind of money. 996 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 1: And what's funny, of course, is or not really funny, 997 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 1: but ironic because that it's almost like the conservative is 998 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,919 Speaker 1: the one that gets the blame from the police force 999 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 1: in Berkeley, or you know, so you want to show 1000 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 1: up and speak, other people are threatening violence and now 1001 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: you're the problem. Right. This kind of reminds me of 1002 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 1: the Danish cartoons where people you you're either on one 1003 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: of two sides. There. It was the claim that violence 1004 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,440 Speaker 1: in response to a cartoon of Muhammad was a completely unacceptable, 1005 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 1: immoral and grotesque response. And there are others who are like, well, 1006 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,640 Speaker 1: one of those Danish guys have to like you know 1007 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: why they have to mess things up with being all provocative. 1008 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:10,920 Speaker 1: You know, so, yeah, Conservatives talking about things that we'd 1009 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 1: like to talk about is now considered a provocation enough 1010 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: that it will require major security measures and they'll have 1011 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 1: to be put in place to make him to make 1012 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: people safe. Um. So I actually haven't a chance to 1013 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 1: watch ben speech. I'll probably check it out this weekend 1014 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,560 Speaker 1: if I have the time. But the real thing was 1015 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: that there are all these protests around it. It costs 1016 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,000 Speaker 1: all this money, but they hold up these signs. Let's 1017 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: say things that I've seen before, like become ungovernable. This 1018 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,600 Speaker 1: is a sign that they used to have up during 1019 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: the days of Occupy Wall Street back in TWN six 1020 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 1: years ago. Now they would hold up signs that said 1021 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 1: this is back in two Occupy Wall Street the progressive 1022 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 1: protest movement du jour of that time, they would hold 1023 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,520 Speaker 1: up signs that say, make war on this state. M hmm, 1024 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 1: how are they gonna do that? You know, capitalism is terrible. 1025 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,840 Speaker 1: Let me tweet that out on my iPhone. I mean, 1026 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 1: these are the kinds of things that they were doing 1027 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 1: and saying, and it hasn't changed at all. But now 1028 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,440 Speaker 1: they're doing this all on the air of Trump. I 1029 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:21,520 Speaker 1: should note that all this anti fascist stuff is looking 1030 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: particularly pathetic right now, because so the guy that just 1031 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: cut a deal with the opposition that's more on the 1032 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,439 Speaker 1: budget I'm talking about now, not on DOCCA, but that's 1033 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,439 Speaker 1: more of a bipartisan act than anything President Obama accomplished 1034 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 1: legislatively in terms of what he was pushing for and 1035 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: what he would agree to sign in his eight years 1036 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:50,600 Speaker 1: as president. That guy Trump, Trump's a fascist? Where's the 1037 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,680 Speaker 1: fascist impulse here? What? What Trump? Who says that, you know, 1038 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 1: the DOCCA people are good people and we should find 1039 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 1: a way to keep He's a fascist. Really, I mean 1040 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,480 Speaker 1: this has always been preposterous and an irresponsible but now 1041 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,880 Speaker 1: it's also just it's it's pathetic too. So this is 1042 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: the fascist. Is the guy with the as I've mentioned before, 1043 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: the Jewish son in law and the Jewish daughter who 1044 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,880 Speaker 1: are among the most powerful and important advisors in the 1045 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: US government. He's a fascist and a white supremacist, they say, 1046 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 1: a white supremacist. In fact, I mentioned this yesterday, but 1047 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: they were holding up signs about Ben Shapiro's white supremacy. 1048 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: What I had said days before. If I may say so, now, 1049 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: it's absolutely right. They are using white supremacy now as 1050 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: a stand in for anything racist, because white supremacy sounds 1051 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,240 Speaker 1: really really bad, because it is really really bad, but 1052 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 1: you start to make it seem less bad when you call, uh, 1053 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, the the lack of of diversity in Hollywood 1054 01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:00,480 Speaker 1: movie casting, white supremacy. You know, maybe they're there should 1055 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,120 Speaker 1: be a look at you know, actually I looked at 1056 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 1: the analysis. You know what they when they had the 1057 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 1: whole Oscars there's not you know, the oscar I think 1058 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,160 Speaker 1: oscars so white was what they were was what it 1059 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,920 Speaker 1: was called the time. That was the hashtag at Oscar 1060 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,640 Speaker 1: so white? Um tie and am you're shaking her head? Yes, okay, 1061 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: there they keep me in touch with the pop culture here. 1062 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,880 Speaker 1: But Oscar so white was the hashtag. And then they 1063 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:27,280 Speaker 1: did an analysis of percentage of the population and then uh, 1064 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 1: which ethnic groups are represented and not represented in Hollywood? 1065 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: And sure enough, African Americans were actually pretty much represented. 1066 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,000 Speaker 1: It represented in UH in keeping with the percentage of 1067 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,640 Speaker 1: the U. S population, you know who was not Asian Americans, 1068 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. Asian Americans dramatically underrepresented in 1069 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,160 Speaker 1: Hollywood movies as a function of their again based on 1070 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,439 Speaker 1: the census, their percentage of the population. And but white, 1071 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: but you know, white supremacy. Man, right, it's all white 1072 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: sup And I know you could say, well, bluck. I mean, 1073 01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,560 Speaker 1: the problem is that there are too many you know, 1074 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,120 Speaker 1: the left would say there's too many white people. But 1075 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,080 Speaker 1: just the point, here's a white supremacy. White supremacy. Sorry, 1076 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 1: it's tough when you when you say it enough, you 1077 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,280 Speaker 1: start to stumble. Uh is a term that should be 1078 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: used and reserved for those who truly believe that white 1079 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,080 Speaker 1: skin makes them better than other people, that other people 1080 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,600 Speaker 1: are less than them because of their white skin. It 1081 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't be Well, there's this is a complex sociological issue 1082 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 1: that has many different facets, and there's a an entirely 1083 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,400 Speaker 1: reasonable discussion to be had about how this is playing 1084 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,320 Speaker 1: out day in and day out. Yeah, your side is 1085 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,880 Speaker 1: white supremacy solid. And I was Shapiro any point out 1086 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: and he said, look at look at the yamuka on 1087 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,360 Speaker 1: my head. I'm I'm a white supremacist. I'm a member 1088 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,880 Speaker 1: the KKK. As I told you, KKK targeted in the name, 1089 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,680 Speaker 1: this is where the where the keys are Catholics, which 1090 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 1: is I should note completely left out of the discussion 1091 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:58,280 Speaker 1: Jewish Americans and African Americans, Right, those were those were 1092 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: the the the primary tar targets of of the of 1093 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,440 Speaker 1: the clan. Now African Americans were by far the biggest 1094 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,439 Speaker 1: single target the clan, but they members of the clan 1095 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,480 Speaker 1: did not like Jews and did not like Catholics. Right, 1096 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,280 Speaker 1: That's that's long that's been long established. So uh, the 1097 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: white supremacy term is he's used just as a means 1098 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: of trying to scare people into not holding the positions 1099 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,720 Speaker 1: that they do, because I think that racism has run 1100 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 1: out of sneme as an accusation. It's still they use. 1101 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,959 Speaker 1: That's used on the left all the time. They're always 1102 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,480 Speaker 1: calling everybody racist, But now when they say, oh, you know, 1103 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: that's racist, it's it's turned somewhat into self mockery and 1104 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the accusations of racism about you know, everything is racist. 1105 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Everyone is racist. There's racism everywhere. People have become numb 1106 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,560 Speaker 1: to it. They're they're tired of it. White supremacy that 1107 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: that sounds urgent. We have to address that right away. 1108 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,880 Speaker 1: So the linguistic changes are reflective of political and socio 1109 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 1: sociological changes that are happening in the country, and that's 1110 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: why you're hearing this term much more. But as a 1111 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,280 Speaker 1: means of opposing Trump, I mean, I just think it's 1112 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: it's so weak, so flimsy. There are a lot of 1113 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 1: reasons that I could come up with that people on 1114 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,560 Speaker 1: the left and on the right could criticize. And I 1115 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: have real problems with Trump. White supremacy should not be 1116 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,040 Speaker 1: one of them. But that's me. Joe and Wyoming. Welcome 1117 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:30,440 Speaker 1: to freedom, U sert what's on your mind? Shields so 1118 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 1: I wonder what Ben Affleck would have to say about 1119 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: all the quotes from the Indonesian mom. Oh yeah, you're 1120 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,080 Speaker 1: referring to that exchange he had on Bill Maher. Where 1121 01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,720 Speaker 1: Ben Affleck, who fancies himself something of an amateur scholar 1122 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,360 Speaker 1: of Islamic studies, I think he took like a semester 1123 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,520 Speaker 1: of Arabic at I don't know whatever liberal arts college 1124 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 1: he went to. And that's about it, right. Um, he 1125 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 1: went up against I'm forgetting it's the Sam Sam Harris 1126 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: on this issue on the Bill mar Show. But Bill 1127 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,800 Speaker 1: Marshall still hasn't called me, by the way, still still 1128 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,480 Speaker 1: waiting for that call, But go ahead. Uh So, I 1129 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: think pretty soon we can be expecting to see, uh um, 1130 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 1: some headlines in the in London newspapers saying authorities here 1131 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 1: is anti Islamic backlash after next week's terrorist attack. I 1132 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: think that would be come in uh down the pipeline 1133 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 1: pretty soon. You know, you talked a little bit about desensitization, 1134 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,600 Speaker 1: and I think that there's a few different ways that 1135 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,080 Speaker 1: that can happen. Two of which are you know, we 1136 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:41,440 Speaker 1: gotta kind of get paralyzed into uh paralyzed into an action. 1137 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,840 Speaker 1: But I think what's more likely to happen is that, uh, 1138 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,120 Speaker 1: it will become so commonplace that it's just like a 1139 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,120 Speaker 1: purse getting snatched. And at that point when that happens, 1140 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,760 Speaker 1: we will we may or may not have lost the 1141 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,960 Speaker 1: will to fight. We'll have to see, Joe. I've actually 1142 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,960 Speaker 1: gotta run. I appreciate you on in, my friend from Wyoming, 1143 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,240 Speaker 1: but I've got to run into a break here in 1144 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,800 Speaker 1: just a moment because we've got a guest that will 1145 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 1: be joining us, a a YouTuber. I think that's what 1146 01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,479 Speaker 1: the that's what the kids say, right, YouTuber YouTuber joining 1147 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 1: about her perspective on red Pill Black, which is her channel, 1148 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,320 Speaker 1: and then a little more malta those you like the 1149 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,640 Speaker 1: history deep Dive, they don't just like one segment, and 1150 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,160 Speaker 1: then we'll get into uh that's coming up. They gotta 1151 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: finish it off. I gotta tell you what happens with 1152 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,360 Speaker 1: the siege, and then we will talk about some Facebook 1153 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,000 Speaker 1: stuff and some Team Buck stuff. So we'll be right 1154 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:32,040 Speaker 1: back White supremacy and the KKK. Really, that's what you 1155 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,280 Speaker 1: guys want me to be concerned with this week? Do 1156 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,600 Speaker 1: I look like an idiot? I mean, there are what 1157 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,920 Speaker 1: six thousand clansmen left in our nation, and you want 1158 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 1: me to actually process that as a legitimate fear every 1159 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,840 Speaker 1: day when I wake up. That's Candice Owens. She is 1160 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:51,200 Speaker 1: a YouTube sensation whose conservative videos are garnering hundreds of 1161 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,240 Speaker 1: thousands of views. Our YouTube channel, red Pill Black, is 1162 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,320 Speaker 1: calling on liberals who are sick of taking the odd 1163 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 1: left to take the red pill. That term taking the 1164 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,080 Speaker 1: red pill comes from the movie The Matrix, where Morpheus, 1165 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,840 Speaker 1: the resistance leader, offers Neo, the movie's hero, a choice. 1166 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,600 Speaker 1: He can take the blue pill and remain in the repressive, 1167 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: artificial world known as the Matrix, where you wake up 1168 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,120 Speaker 1: in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe, 1169 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,080 Speaker 1: or he can take the red pill and tumble down 1170 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,400 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole, where he will come to realize that 1171 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,960 Speaker 1: everything about his life was a lie. All right, we 1172 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,000 Speaker 1: got the backstory. There. Can's great to have you. Thank 1173 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,640 Speaker 1: you so much for having me. I'm excited to call 1174 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,280 Speaker 1: in today. Yeah, tell me about this YouTube channel, what 1175 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,240 Speaker 1: you do, what you talk about, how you came up 1176 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,600 Speaker 1: with the or why you decided on the name. Give 1177 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,760 Speaker 1: me everything. I mean, I woke up one day and 1178 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:42,200 Speaker 1: everything on television was just dreadfully boring and unfunny and redundant, 1179 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: and at the expense of conservatives. It was kind of 1180 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: just becoming everything on TV bullies, conservatives and conservative values. 1181 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,920 Speaker 1: So I thought, I think it's time for an antidote 1182 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,960 Speaker 1: to that people are bored, and I created red Pill Black. Um. 1183 01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: You mentioned obviously the background of the name being red pilled, 1184 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,880 Speaker 1: and um, my highest home is to wake up people 1185 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,000 Speaker 1: in the African American community who I think are being 1186 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,439 Speaker 1: used the most by this sort of left narrative. And um, yeah, 1187 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: my channel was born. Yeah. I actually referenced the red 1188 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,840 Speaker 1: pill blue pill Morpheus to say, I love the movie 1189 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: The Matrix. Reference it years ago. But you're from you're aware. 1190 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure that now this is often used by the 1191 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,200 Speaker 1: alt right as a term, or at least the media 1192 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,160 Speaker 1: says it's used by the alt right, that they're red 1193 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,920 Speaker 1: pilling people. Yeah. No, they say that because they want 1194 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,120 Speaker 1: people to stay away from anybody that uses the term 1195 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,400 Speaker 1: red pill. It's that did not derive what was not 1196 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,400 Speaker 1: hijacked by the alt right whatsoever. I said it on 1197 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,040 Speaker 1: my radio show literally four or five years I mean 1198 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I only said it once, but so, yeah, this has 1199 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,080 Speaker 1: been out there. I mean, the Matrix came out on 1200 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,840 Speaker 1: like two thousand, phenomenal movie, but they do say this now. 1201 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,759 Speaker 1: They also call everybody a white supremacist, though you're clearly 1202 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,920 Speaker 1: onto that. Yeah, exactly, so I'm I'm white supremacist for 1203 01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: supremacist proof just because I'm African Americans. So I have 1204 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,920 Speaker 1: not been called that, um just yet, but um, I'm 1205 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,160 Speaker 1: sure it will come to But the Ennico everyone, everything, 1206 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,559 Speaker 1: everything is racist. You disagree with them, you're racist. If 1207 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 1: you think differently, you're a white supremacist. And it's boring 1208 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,720 Speaker 1: at this point. And what are some of the main things. 1209 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean, some of the the audience response that you've 1210 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 1: gotten has been really big, I know on YouTube and 1211 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 1: this is considered a space may I ask or are 1212 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:17,880 Speaker 1: you a millennial? I mean, I don't want to ask 1213 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,120 Speaker 1: a lady her age on air, but you may don't worry. Um, 1214 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,800 Speaker 1: I am a millennial. And UM, I think the number 1215 01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,720 Speaker 1: one response that I've seen is just they keep using 1216 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,439 Speaker 1: the objective refreshing. You know, it's like a breath of 1217 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,759 Speaker 1: fresh air. It's like, you know, a cold sip of water. 1218 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,360 Speaker 1: And it's just because again, the environment on TV has 1219 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,040 Speaker 1: become so stale and it's just not funny anymore. What 1220 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,400 Speaker 1: are some of the topics that you tackle or some 1221 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,479 Speaker 1: of the angles you take on them that you feel like, 1222 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,120 Speaker 1: are you use the term or you said people use 1223 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,360 Speaker 1: the term refreshing uh in response to your content and 1224 01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,879 Speaker 1: your YouTube channel, and we're speaking everybody to Candice Owens. 1225 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,439 Speaker 1: You can check out her wealth, check out her YouTube channel. 1226 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 1: But what are some of the things that you've done 1227 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,200 Speaker 1: that you're particularly proud of or that you think are 1228 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,400 Speaker 1: good exemplars of what you're trying to accomplish with Red 1229 01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,840 Speaker 1: Pill Black. You know, I think I'm most proud of 1230 01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: um more of the satirical skits. I do do a 1231 01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 1: few skits. I did one entitled mom Dad, I'm a 1232 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,560 Speaker 1: conservative and I just think that the best way to 1233 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: kind of make a point is through humor and hyperbole. 1234 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,200 Speaker 1: And I pretty much sat down two of my parents 1235 01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,720 Speaker 1: they're both played by me, and broke it to them 1236 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,960 Speaker 1: that I was conservative, similar, you know, to what you 1237 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,160 Speaker 1: would imagine the eighties having to sit down your parents 1238 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,240 Speaker 1: and tell them that you're gay. And it was sort 1239 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,559 Speaker 1: of this um cheeky satire basically saying that today it's 1240 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,160 Speaker 1: for some reason much. The conservatives are the people that 1241 01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,000 Speaker 1: have to be in the closet, you know, conservatives to 1242 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,639 Speaker 1: the people that get these crazy reactions, and they say 1243 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,760 Speaker 1: that they think a little more conservatively, like being gay 1244 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,280 Speaker 1: is like nothing now you know, no one cares. So um, 1245 01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,160 Speaker 1: they're they're the new black sheep. So I I definitely 1246 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,320 Speaker 1: like doing the skits. I see the one of the 1247 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,320 Speaker 1: points that you made on your videos how to do 1248 01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,439 Speaker 1: with the the size of the actual KKK versus the 1249 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,840 Speaker 1: the size of the KKK in our discourse courtesy of 1250 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,000 Speaker 1: the liberal left wing media. I mean, I assume that 1251 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:12,759 Speaker 1: as an African American female, UH, African American millennial female, 1252 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,880 Speaker 1: as we've established as well, UH, that you probably get 1253 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,920 Speaker 1: a lot of heat for taking on the narrative that 1254 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,679 Speaker 1: they're exaggerating, that the media exaggerates the size of the KKK, 1255 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,560 Speaker 1: white supremacy and neo Nazis. Yeah. I mean, look, I 1256 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,080 Speaker 1: think it's quite literally. Watching CNN to me is like 1257 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,439 Speaker 1: laugh out loud funny. I mean, they're freaking out every 1258 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,080 Speaker 1: single day about things that just you don't see every day. 1259 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,559 Speaker 1: The CNN wouldn't have to tell you if the KKK 1260 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,679 Speaker 1: was a real threat, we'd be living that way in fear. 1261 01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,160 Speaker 1: That's the way my grandfather grew up, and I think 1262 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,519 Speaker 1: that that's what for me is the most annoying point 1263 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,960 Speaker 1: is that they sort of take away from the history, 1264 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: this very meaningful history, right that people who actually did 1265 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,200 Speaker 1: survive civil rights and actually did live through white supremacy, 1266 01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,120 Speaker 1: people that actually did survive the Nazis, and they just 1267 01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,320 Speaker 1: flail around these terms. Um. So yeah, I catch a 1268 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,519 Speaker 1: little bit of heat, but I expected it, which is 1269 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,040 Speaker 1: why I entitled my blog Theories the midst of the 1270 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,840 Speaker 1: Tune You expect to go? Are gonna call you a 1271 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: tune and call you a trader um? But you know 1272 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,439 Speaker 1: I've taken that word back. I have no shame in 1273 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,479 Speaker 1: being called the tune because it lets you know that 1274 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,760 Speaker 1: you're onto something. You know you're in good company. They 1275 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,160 Speaker 1: call Dr Ben Carson a con um. Every educated African 1276 01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,599 Speaker 1: American that sort of makes it out of this cycle 1277 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,800 Speaker 1: of media abuse is called the tune. So I'm I'm 1278 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,840 Speaker 1: in good company. And do you feel like YouTube? You know, 1279 01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm here talking to you on radio, and yes we 1280 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,040 Speaker 1: have a we have a digital presence, but we are 1281 01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,600 Speaker 1: a terrestrial radio show. We've got you know, over a 1282 01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,599 Speaker 1: hundred affiliates across the country airing the show. UH radio 1283 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,720 Speaker 1: was essential for the counter revolution, if you will. To 1284 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,040 Speaker 1: the media's left wing bias, A radio has been the 1285 01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 1: place where, because people can choose with their dial um, 1286 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,360 Speaker 1: they've been able to get alternative viewpoints that they weren't 1287 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,400 Speaker 1: getting from the mainstream media. Is YouTube a place for 1288 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,880 Speaker 1: that now? Or? I know YouTube is owned by Google 1289 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,600 Speaker 1: and there's concerns about you know how they're allowing monetization 1290 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,600 Speaker 1: and not allowing allowing monetization. I'm worried that the progressives 1291 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,479 Speaker 1: of Silicon Valley are going to try to prevent YouTube 1292 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,080 Speaker 1: and other digital outlets from becoming for conservatives what radio 1293 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,880 Speaker 1: has been right, and that that's what they do. They 1294 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,760 Speaker 1: try to cut off the funding. They say, if you 1295 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,439 Speaker 1: can't fund yourself, you have to comp with the new 1296 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,320 Speaker 1: hobby other than videos. And it's true YouTube is cracking 1297 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,880 Speaker 1: down on conservative voices um and I'm worried about it. 1298 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,680 Speaker 1: But I also I feel in my heart that this 1299 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,240 Speaker 1: movement has grown, has has grown so strong, and I 1300 01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,400 Speaker 1: feel that every single day in the comments. You know, 1301 01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,000 Speaker 1: I launched launched the Patreon accounts. People can fund me 1302 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,840 Speaker 1: there if that gets shut down, I'll go somewhere else. Um. 1303 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,360 Speaker 1: It just takes a little bits of resilience. It's definitely 1304 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,080 Speaker 1: going to be an uphill battle, which I think we 1305 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,000 Speaker 1: understood if if you just watched what Trump went through 1306 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,920 Speaker 1: just to become president United States, UM, then you have 1307 01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,880 Speaker 1: to understand that this is kind of the cars that 1308 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,920 Speaker 1: were dealt. But I feel like I said in my 1309 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,000 Speaker 1: bones that the underground movement is is growing, um, and 1310 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,840 Speaker 1: we've just got to support each other and keep at it. 1311 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,000 Speaker 1: All right, Candice, and she is a YouTube sensation. Go 1312 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,760 Speaker 1: check it out. How can people listening if they're not used. 1313 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they can type in Canada's owner 1314 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,720 Speaker 1: to YouTube, but is there a specific U r oh, 1315 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if the r L is and YouTube. 1316 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,320 Speaker 1: They can just look up red pill black as three 1317 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,960 Speaker 1: separate words. And I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram, I'm 1318 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,240 Speaker 1: on Twitter, um at red pill black, I'm I'm everywhere. 1319 01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,400 Speaker 1: So she is, she is everywhere, and she is passing 1320 01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,760 Speaker 1: out the red pill. Kennice, thank you so much for joining. 1321 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,200 Speaker 1: Great to have you. Thank you so much. Have a 1322 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,320 Speaker 1: good one, all right, team, I'm gonna come back in 1323 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,240 Speaker 1: and talk to you a little more about the Siege 1324 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,640 Speaker 1: of Malta, and then I'll give some time to Facebook messages, 1325 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,560 Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna call that team Bucks Speaks. I 1326 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:41,920 Speaker 1: kind of like that name. We might come up with 1327 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,240 Speaker 1: a cooler name. But we're almost through the Siege of Malta. 1328 01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,000 Speaker 1: That will be a second coming up next. Then we'll 1329 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,360 Speaker 1: talk about a little Facebook action, tell you some stories. 1330 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna lighten it up, have some fun 1331 01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,439 Speaker 1: in the third hour, after we get past scimitars, pikes 1332 01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: cutting off heads, and a brutal holy war. Um. So 1333 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,720 Speaker 1: first that and then fun. We'll be right back the 1334 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Siege of Malta, Part four. I wanted to continue with 1335 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,800 Speaker 1: our deep dive into what happened in fifteen sixty five, 1336 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,559 Speaker 1: ending in this month September, in fact, ending this week. 1337 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:20,760 Speaker 1: In fifteen sixty a siege on the Mediterranean island of Malta, that, 1338 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 1: had it been successful, would have allowed the Ottoman Empire, 1339 01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:29,160 Speaker 1: the caliphate of the time and the hottest expansion is 1340 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,720 Speaker 1: Um that it represented, to strike into the heart of 1341 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,799 Speaker 1: Europe itself and would have changed with it world history. 1342 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,160 Speaker 1: When we last left the battle, we had the siege 1343 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,000 Speaker 1: of Fort Elmo underway within the Greater Siege of Malta. 1344 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,080 Speaker 1: In the Grand Harbor, there were a number of fortifications. 1345 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:54,559 Speaker 1: Those fortifications included Saint Michael's on Saint La the Fort 1346 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,920 Speaker 1: of St. Angelo on Burgoo. Those are two peninsulas that 1347 01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,400 Speaker 1: stick out into the Grand Harbor of Malta, and then 1348 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 1: at the base of Mount Skibberris, which is currently the 1349 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,640 Speaker 1: site of the capital of Malta Valletta, but at the 1350 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 1: base of Mount Skippers was Fort Saint Elmo. You had 1351 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:18,000 Speaker 1: forty thousand or so Turkish troops, including the fear Janissary 1352 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,880 Speaker 1: Core and also spah He's the Turkish elite cavalry, along 1353 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,800 Speaker 1: with an incredible array of heavy artillery, mortars and basilisks, 1354 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,599 Speaker 1: so named for the ancient dragon that fired incredibly heavy 1355 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,720 Speaker 1: stone shot as a form of battering down fortifications. The 1356 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:41,679 Speaker 1: Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent had broken down command between Pali 1357 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,559 Speaker 1: Pasha as a supreme naval commander and Mustapha Pasha as 1358 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,800 Speaker 1: the Supreme Land forces commander for the Ottoman Turks for 1359 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the forces of Islam in this case, and then leading 1360 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 1: the defense of the island of Malta. You had Jean 1361 01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Pariso de Valette, about five hundred of his Night of 1362 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,680 Speaker 1: Saint John, along with them Knights hospital Or, and then 1363 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:09,320 Speaker 1: a core of a few thousand European mercenaries and religious 1364 01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,360 Speaker 1: soldiers of fortune, and the Maltese inhabitants and the levy 1365 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,960 Speaker 1: of soldiers from them as well. They were completely surrounded 1366 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,000 Speaker 1: and had by May of fifteen sixty five set down 1367 01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:27,439 Speaker 1: for a protracted siege. The princes, dukes and kings the 1368 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,240 Speaker 1: assorted royalty of Christendom at the time, had said that 1369 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,479 Speaker 1: they would come to the aid of the Knights hospital 1370 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Or on the island of Malta. But Valette knew that 1371 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,320 Speaker 1: there would be in action among those nobles, as each 1372 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,400 Speaker 1: would assume that the other would be the one to 1373 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: send reinforcements, and no one wanted to send their troops 1374 01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,880 Speaker 1: into a disastrous situation. So after the initial unopposed landing 1375 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,880 Speaker 1: force of Ottoman troops seized control of the island of Malta, 1376 01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,560 Speaker 1: which is part of two islands, really a small archipelago, 1377 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,599 Speaker 1: including the island of Gozo to the north, and then 1378 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,639 Speaker 1: you have the Straits of Malta which separates it from Sicily, 1379 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,400 Speaker 1: and then Sicily of course nearby to the southern tip 1380 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,080 Speaker 1: of the boot of Italy. The Ottomans were quickly able 1381 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,200 Speaker 1: to entrench themselves around the fortifications of the Knights of St. John. 1382 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,680 Speaker 1: And when I last left you, we were discussing the 1383 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,519 Speaker 1: siege of St. Elmo. This was a pivotal moment in 1384 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:29,320 Speaker 1: this incredibly important battle that I'm willing to bet very 1385 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,639 Speaker 1: few if any of you, were taught in history class. 1386 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,760 Speaker 1: I had to read about it on my own. But 1387 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,200 Speaker 1: the decision to besiege Saint Elmo instead of going for 1388 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,400 Speaker 1: the main fortifications that the Knights of St. John had 1389 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,840 Speaker 1: set up around the Grand Harbor of Malta, meant that 1390 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,280 Speaker 1: the Ottomans were in effect going for a limb of 1391 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:52,559 Speaker 1: the resistance instead of the throat right away, and that limb, 1392 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,840 Speaker 1: fort St Elmo, was much hardier than any of them 1393 01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,080 Speaker 1: had anticipated. As an aside, it's worth noting that St. 1394 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:04,640 Speaker 1: Elmo is the Italian name for St. Erasmus of Formia 1395 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,200 Speaker 1: and sat Almo or St. Erasmus was the patron saint 1396 01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,640 Speaker 1: of That's right, you guessed it, sailors and navigators. So 1397 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,840 Speaker 1: for an island like Malta, which was a shipping port 1398 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,479 Speaker 1: with some people living living on it, naming one of 1399 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: your primary fortifications after that, Patron Saint certainly seemed to 1400 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,320 Speaker 1: make a whole deal of sense. And also those of 1401 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,360 Speaker 1: you who have an interest in naval navigation UH in 1402 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:36,360 Speaker 1: centuries past and present may be familiar with St Elmo's fire. No, 1403 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:41,599 Speaker 1: I'm not referring to eighties teen Heartthrob movie with Emilio 1404 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,799 Speaker 1: Estevez in it. I'm talking about the phenomenon whereby electric 1405 01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,719 Speaker 1: fields in the air can create a bluish tinge around 1406 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,120 Speaker 1: objects on ships at sea, with an effect that gives 1407 01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,640 Speaker 1: it something of a neon glow in low light conditions. 1408 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,040 Speaker 1: That's sat Almos fire. But the fire at Fort st 1409 01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:09,200 Speaker 1: Elmo from the Ottoman Turks, cannons and various sharpshooters was withering. 1410 01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,480 Speaker 1: It was only because of the impressive fortifications and preparations 1411 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,479 Speaker 1: by Valette and his Knights of Saint John that they 1412 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:23,240 Speaker 1: were able to continue what was a hopelessly outnumbered resistance 1413 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,240 Speaker 1: at this one small fort. So let's discuss the fortification 1414 01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,400 Speaker 1: for a moment to get an understanding of just what 1415 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,280 Speaker 1: was going on here. As written by Earnly Bradford in 1416 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:37,360 Speaker 1: his excellent historical work The Great Siege, quote Mustafa's engineers 1417 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,320 Speaker 1: and officers were sent forward to reconnoiter their position and 1418 01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,439 Speaker 1: report on it. It is a star fort, they said. 1419 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,960 Speaker 1: There are four main silients, and the front which we 1420 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,400 Speaker 1: have to storm is broken into a bastion form. The cavalier, 1421 01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,320 Speaker 1: which rises to seaward, is separated by a ditch. There 1422 01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,519 Speaker 1: is also a small raveling. Both these outworks are connected 1423 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,360 Speaker 1: to the main fort, the one by a drawbridge and 1424 01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:06,400 Speaker 1: the other by a fixed bridge. It was a classic 1425 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,920 Speaker 1: and old fashioned type of ford, and it seemed likely 1426 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,519 Speaker 1: to present few difficulties to the sappers, miners, and siege 1427 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,080 Speaker 1: artillery of the Turkish army. The greatest difficulty that confronted them, 1428 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,480 Speaker 1: they reported, was the nature of the terrain. Mount Skibbers 1429 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,120 Speaker 1: was a bleak bone of rock, affording no shelter or cover, 1430 01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,080 Speaker 1: nor even that matter, any earth in which the troops 1431 01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:30,200 Speaker 1: might entrench. And that's particularly noteworthy because the Turks had 1432 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:35,160 Speaker 1: been mastering siege warfare for centuries and had been successful, 1433 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,720 Speaker 1: particularly in using engineers and sappers, those who will dig 1434 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,719 Speaker 1: tunnels under the fortifications themselves and then usually light a fire, 1435 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,920 Speaker 1: or they could use gunpowder and cave in the wall, 1436 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,719 Speaker 1: which would in turn, because it would take the land 1437 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,439 Speaker 1: above it with it bring down the fortification. So this 1438 01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,360 Speaker 1: was an ancient medieval tactic, but the Turks brought to 1439 01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:02,280 Speaker 1: it gunpowder and greater technical Now speaking of Turkish artillery, 1440 01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,080 Speaker 1: the weight of Turkish artillery, as written by Bradford at 1441 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,840 Speaker 1: this period of history quote far exceeded that of the 1442 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,760 Speaker 1: Christian The Sultan's artillerymen and engineers, in forty years of 1443 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,120 Speaker 1: land campaign throughout Europe and the East, had brought bombardment 1444 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,400 Speaker 1: to a fine art. They had learned in siege upon siege, 1445 01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,040 Speaker 1: the effects of different weapons and the techniques to be 1446 01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:26,920 Speaker 1: applied against varying fortresses. To sixty pound culverns, ten eighty 1447 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,640 Speaker 1: pounders and an enormous basilisk firing solid shot weighing a 1448 01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,040 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds were brought up for the attack 1449 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,400 Speaker 1: on St. Elmo. With such heavy weapons. The Turkish fire 1450 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,880 Speaker 1: was slower than the Christian but applied at short ranges, 1451 01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,439 Speaker 1: the battering power of this heavy iron and stone shot 1452 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,160 Speaker 1: was enormous end quote. So the Turks were bringing everything 1453 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,639 Speaker 1: they had to bear on this one fort which had 1454 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,400 Speaker 1: no more than hundreds, perhaps in the mid to high 1455 01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,560 Speaker 1: hundreds of defenders in it, but those defenders had decided 1456 01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,439 Speaker 1: early on that they would die in place, and because 1457 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,520 Speaker 1: it was across the Grand Harbor from the main fortifications 1458 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,439 Speaker 1: on beer Goo and Senglea, they were able, with the 1459 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,880 Speaker 1: cover of darkness, to send limited reinforcements over the course 1460 01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:18,080 Speaker 1: of this siege within a siege of for Saint Elmo. 1461 01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,400 Speaker 1: The Turks thought this would take days. It took weeks 1462 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,280 Speaker 1: and took them deep into the summer. All the while 1463 01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,960 Speaker 1: there was the fear in the Turkish minds and the 1464 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,639 Speaker 1: hope in the Christian minds that there would be reinforcements coming. 1465 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:36,160 Speaker 1: In fact, the Viceroy of Sicily had promised that that 1466 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,040 Speaker 1: help was just a matter of weeks away. But Valet, 1467 01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,240 Speaker 1: the leader of the Knights of Saint John, knew that 1468 01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,160 Speaker 1: he couldn't count on these promises from a noble French 1469 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,240 Speaker 1: family himself. He had quite an understanding of the perfidious 1470 01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,639 Speaker 1: nature of European nobility, always quick to claim they would 1471 01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,040 Speaker 1: defend Christendom when called upon, but much more concerned about 1472 01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,880 Speaker 1: their own mains, their treasuries, and their necks. The bombardment 1473 01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,280 Speaker 1: started around the seven of May and it went on 1474 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,719 Speaker 1: four weeks while the fort looked like a pile of rubble. 1475 01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:16,400 Speaker 1: Within days, the Knights of Saint John and their mercenary 1476 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,920 Speaker 1: and Maltese comrades and arms held out no matter what, 1477 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,719 Speaker 1: and with the reinforcements they received from across the harbor 1478 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,240 Speaker 1: at night, they were able to stretch this siege within 1479 01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,160 Speaker 1: a siege until the end of June. It wasn't until 1480 01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,320 Speaker 1: the twenty three of June, after what seemed like an 1481 01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:37,320 Speaker 1: endless uh pummeling by the Turkish artillery, that the fort 1482 01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,120 Speaker 1: finally fell. But one important note along the way. This 1483 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:46,320 Speaker 1: part of the Turkish campaign to take Malta also saw 1484 01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,960 Speaker 1: the arrival of of dragout Race, also known as tour Good. 1485 01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:56,200 Speaker 1: He was among the most famous pirates of the entire 1486 01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,080 Speaker 1: history of the Mediterranean. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of 1487 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,680 Speaker 1: the seas that he operated in, and he was a 1488 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,000 Speaker 1: feared Corsair who had been not just a thorn in 1489 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,000 Speaker 1: the side, but a boogeyman, a nightmare story told to 1490 01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:15,080 Speaker 1: Christian children because of his habit of raiding the different 1491 01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,640 Speaker 1: Christian settlements and cities along the Mediterranean basin to grab slaves, 1492 01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,680 Speaker 1: slaves for the galleys of the ships and slaves for yes, 1493 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:29,719 Speaker 1: the harems and rock quarries of the Sultan's domains. Dragut 1494 01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 1: was also a scion of the perhaps more famous, although 1495 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,240 Speaker 1: some historians dispute whether that was should be considered to 1496 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,960 Speaker 1: be the case, given how much more skilled Dragut was 1497 01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,240 Speaker 1: on the sea and in warfare. But Barbarossa was the 1498 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,600 Speaker 1: mentor of Dragut, and Dragut was his successor once the 1499 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:54,880 Speaker 1: famed pirate Barbarossa died. But but drag Out knew Malta well. 1500 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:59,120 Speaker 1: In fact, he had engaged in hostilities against the island, 1501 01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,400 Speaker 1: seizing slave wives during previous seasons. And I should note 1502 01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,880 Speaker 1: that the seasonality of warfare at this time, especially on 1503 01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,400 Speaker 1: the high seas, was a major part of what was 1504 01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,639 Speaker 1: possible during a campaign. These ships, these galleys, these ord 1505 01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:20,240 Speaker 1: road warships were not particularly sturdy in rough seas, and 1506 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,160 Speaker 1: so once the winter storms came along, it became too 1507 01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,599 Speaker 1: dangerous to operate them on the Mediterranean. So you really 1508 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,200 Speaker 1: only had the summer and into fall to complete this 1509 01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:34,120 Speaker 1: campaign in Malta. So time mattered for that reason. And 1510 01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:39,000 Speaker 1: time mattered because the Viceroy of Sicily Don Garcia had 1511 01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,479 Speaker 1: promised and it was known that he was nearby and 1512 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,040 Speaker 1: could have deployed thousands and thousands of troops as a 1513 01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,479 Speaker 1: relief force on Malta. So for weeks, stretching from May 1514 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,240 Speaker 1: into the end of June, the ford at st Elmo 1515 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,439 Speaker 1: held out, and then with one great charge on June 1516 01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,760 Speaker 1: twenty three, the Turks, with the Janissary core assisting them, 1517 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,759 Speaker 1: were able to take this first fortification at tremendous cost. 1518 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,320 Speaker 1: It is estimated that five to six thousand uh Turkish 1519 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:15,600 Speaker 1: dead resulted from taking this one fortification on the peninsula 1520 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:21,840 Speaker 1: beneath Mount Skibberus, and in the process Dragut himself was 1521 01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:26,000 Speaker 1: mortally wounded. It was drag Out who understood the lines 1522 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:31,080 Speaker 1: of fire and the necessary preparations and counter fortifications that 1523 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,160 Speaker 1: had to be put in place to take st Elmo. 1524 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:39,400 Speaker 1: When he was lost, all military command passed to the bickering, squabbling, 1525 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:47,320 Speaker 1: arrogant Pasha Piala and Pasha Mustafa. So they were furious 1526 01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,160 Speaker 1: when they finally took the fort and they took that 1527 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:55,439 Speaker 1: rage out on the defenders. Here is how Bradford writes 1528 01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,760 Speaker 1: about the fall of st Elmo. Quote for three days 1529 01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,360 Speaker 1: it had been completely cut off from all outside help 1530 01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,120 Speaker 1: and had held out for thirty one days of content 1531 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,720 Speaker 1: of continuous siege, and its defense was to prove in 1532 01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,880 Speaker 1: retrospect the keystone of the whole campaign. This small fort, 1533 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,559 Speaker 1: which logically should have been stormed or forced to surrender 1534 01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,479 Speaker 1: it within a week, was a disaster for the Turkish army. 1535 01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,000 Speaker 1: Accounts vary as the Turkish losses during losses during the 1536 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,240 Speaker 1: Siege of st Elmo, but an average of the figures 1537 01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,160 Speaker 1: commentators and historians puts the number at about eight thousand. 1538 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,600 Speaker 1: This was nearly a quarter of the force that had 1539 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:36,360 Speaker 1: embarked from Constantinople. The defenders lost about fifteen hundred men, 1540 01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,480 Speaker 1: a ratio of nearly one Christian dead for every six Muslims. 1541 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,640 Speaker 1: The majority of those killed were either Spanish, Maltese or 1542 01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,320 Speaker 1: other foreign troops. One hundred and twenty knights and servants 1543 01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:52,400 Speaker 1: at arms were lost, the highest number thirty one from Italy. 1544 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,759 Speaker 1: The rest were almost equally divided between Aragon overin France 1545 01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:01,040 Speaker 1: and Provence. The German Lang lost five five of its members. 1546 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,800 Speaker 1: Those were all Knights of Saint John. But it was 1547 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,519 Speaker 1: the fall of st Elmo that led to the most 1548 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:12,400 Speaker 1: historically well known incident of the entire siege. One which 1549 01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,439 Speaker 1: made it clear that this was a fight to the 1550 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,280 Speaker 1: death for both sides, and that for the defenders inside 1551 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,240 Speaker 1: the fortifications on Malta, they would die in place rather 1552 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:28,920 Speaker 1: than surrender. Victory or death became their battle cry. Here's 1553 01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:34,360 Speaker 1: how Bradford writes about the events that followed. Mustapha's determination 1554 01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,640 Speaker 1: to take no prisoners is understandable. He was a man 1555 01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,960 Speaker 1: who believed that the enemy may often be cowed by 1556 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,240 Speaker 1: offensive acts of cruelty. He ordered the bodies of the 1557 01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,080 Speaker 1: knights to be set apart from those of the common soldiers. 1558 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,880 Speaker 1: He then had the principal knights identified. The heads were 1559 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,719 Speaker 1: struck from the bodies. They were fixed on stakes overlooking 1560 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,439 Speaker 1: the Grand Harbor and were turned to face the fortress 1561 01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:00,080 Speaker 1: of Saint Angelo. Other bodies were then decapitated, and the 1562 01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,519 Speaker 1: headless trunks were nailed to cross beams of wood in 1563 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:07,880 Speaker 1: mockery of the crucifixion. A number of these headless trunks 1564 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,760 Speaker 1: were launched onto the waters of Grand Harbor the night 1565 01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Saint Elmo fell end quote. So here we have the 1566 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:21,639 Speaker 1: Turkish Supreme Commander ordering the decapitation of bodies, the mockery 1567 01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,200 Speaker 1: of the crucifixion of Jesus and floating bodies on crosses 1568 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,320 Speaker 1: after decapitated across the Grand Harbor to send a message 1569 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,280 Speaker 1: to the remaining Christian defenders. The Grand Master of the 1570 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,840 Speaker 1: Knights of Saint John la Valette decided to respond with 1571 01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,280 Speaker 1: a message of his own quote. He came down to 1572 01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,519 Speaker 1: the shore with his Latin secretary, Sir Oliver Starkey, and 1573 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,320 Speaker 1: the other members of the council. Only two of the 1574 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,439 Speaker 1: bodies could be identified. Each was recognized by his own brothers, 1575 01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:55,160 Speaker 1: who were among the defenders of Saint Angelo. Lette, who 1576 01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,599 Speaker 1: had realized from the outset that the siege of Malta 1577 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:04,320 Speaker 1: was a garutoins or a war of extremes, did not hesitate. 1578 01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,040 Speaker 1: He would impress upon his followers as well as the Turk, 1579 01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,680 Speaker 1: that there could be no question of honorable surrender. He 1580 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,160 Speaker 1: gave orders for all Turkish prisoners to be executed. Their 1581 01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,160 Speaker 1: heads were struck off their bodies, and the bodies were 1582 01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,280 Speaker 1: thrown in the sea. While Mustapha's army was collecting the 1583 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,240 Speaker 1: captured cannon in st Elmo and making them ready for 1584 01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,799 Speaker 1: dispatch to Constantinople as trophies of war, they were disturbed 1585 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:31,360 Speaker 1: by the boom of cannon the large guns on the 1586 01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:35,280 Speaker 1: cavalier of Fort Saint Angelo was firing at them. They 1587 01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:39,400 Speaker 1: were firing the heads of the Turkish prisoners at them. 1588 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,840 Speaker 1: This one exchange following the fall of Fort Saint Elmo 1589 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,240 Speaker 1: became emblematic for the entire Siege of Malta. As it were, 1590 01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,680 Speaker 1: it let both sides know that this would be a 1591 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,840 Speaker 1: fight until the end, that there would be no quarter 1592 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:58,000 Speaker 1: and no mercy, and the stakes, in many ways the 1593 01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,880 Speaker 1: survival and future of the Christian world itself were made 1594 01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,200 Speaker 1: clear to all. I'm going to take a quick break. 1595 01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,240 Speaker 1: Your team will be right back. Welcome back, team. I'm 1596 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,560 Speaker 1: not gonna get into our clothes out our finale of 1597 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,240 Speaker 1: the Siege of Malta. Serious here on the show, just yet, 1598 01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:18,080 Speaker 1: take we can take a moment, a breather. After the 1599 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,680 Speaker 1: heads of the captured Ottoman soldiers were fired out of 1600 01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,400 Speaker 1: cannons once Valet had ordered their execution, some pretty intense stuff. 1601 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:31,479 Speaker 1: Of course. Before that, the bodies of Christian captives put 1602 01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,600 Speaker 1: on crosses and floated across the harbor. It's it's a 1603 01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,080 Speaker 1: dreamline one day to get to Malta. I got messages 1604 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,679 Speaker 1: from some of you that you had already been there, 1605 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,760 Speaker 1: and I am I am jealous. I also got some 1606 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:46,679 Speaker 1: messages asking for Cross and Cross versus Crescent reading material 1607 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:51,479 Speaker 1: for historical battles. The Great Siege by Early Bradford is 1608 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,479 Speaker 1: the book that I would recommend on the Siege of Malta. 1609 01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,760 Speaker 1: It's a really great book you get on Amazon, and 1610 01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,760 Speaker 1: then there are a whole bunch of others out there 1611 01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,000 Speaker 1: that are easy to get in a highly recommend Empire 1612 01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,760 Speaker 1: of the Seas by Roger Crowley is a great book 1613 01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,280 Speaker 1: that's dealing with the Battle of Lepanto, which is seventy 1614 01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,880 Speaker 1: one highly highly recommend. Uh. There's also a book The 1615 01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:18,120 Speaker 1: Galleys of Lepanto, which I have sitting next to my 1616 01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,200 Speaker 1: desk at home, as well as a Victory of the West, 1617 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,799 Speaker 1: The Great Christian Muslim Clash at the Battle of Lepanto 1618 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,479 Speaker 1: by Niccolo Capponi. These are all good books. The Crowley one, 1619 01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,280 Speaker 1: I think is the best written, and I would highly 1620 01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,600 Speaker 1: if you're looking for one on le Panto, i'd go 1621 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,799 Speaker 1: for that one. Um And as I said, the Siege 1622 01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,160 Speaker 1: of the Great Siege by Bradford, i'd recommend the Siege 1623 01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,440 Speaker 1: of Malta. So if you're looking for some reading suggestions, 1624 01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,160 Speaker 1: the Lepanto battle is is phenomenal. The Great Siege is 1625 01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,439 Speaker 1: really good. Um. These are all things that I consider 1626 01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,720 Speaker 1: to be beach reading. Uh. And I'll be posting more 1627 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,639 Speaker 1: about this on Facebook and also on buck Sexton dot 1628 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,120 Speaker 1: Com in the future to keep an eye out at 1629 01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,120 Speaker 1: those venues. I think the plan will be to finish 1630 01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,280 Speaker 1: it in the final hour of the show on Monday. 1631 01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,160 Speaker 1: We'll be right back in a moment here with your 1632 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:13,000 Speaker 1: most interesting Facebook comments on the show. The Freedom Hunt 1633 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,080 Speaker 1: speaks when we get back. Welcome back to the Freedom Hut. 1634 01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,040 Speaker 1: Those of you who are new to buck Sexton with 1635 01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,240 Speaker 1: America Now or to just me as a radio host 1636 01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,080 Speaker 1: may not know that I started out Gosh, I can't 1637 01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,439 Speaker 1: remember how many years ago it was now, and I 1638 01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:33,160 Speaker 1: had this idea that in retrospect seems like it was 1639 01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,280 Speaker 1: smarter than it was, which was to live tweet and 1640 01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:40,759 Speaker 1: live facebook the show. And in the era of social media, 1641 01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:45,840 Speaker 1: this was sort of new thinking for radio. Most radio 1642 01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,560 Speaker 1: hosts don't don't do that really. Mostly I did it 1643 01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,840 Speaker 1: during the breaks, but sometimes I've managed to respond to 1644 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:53,960 Speaker 1: something or see something while I was on air, and 1645 01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, can walk and chew gum at the same 1646 01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,679 Speaker 1: time and would be able to fire off a quick 1647 01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:02,960 Speaker 1: response while I was doing the show. But it was 1648 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,960 Speaker 1: mostly in the earliest days when the Freedom Hut was 1649 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,800 Speaker 1: getting its start. And I should note that the Freedom Hut, 1650 01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,479 Speaker 1: which I call the show, it's something that came to 1651 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,160 Speaker 1: me from my time in the CIA. Actually, there was 1652 01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,839 Speaker 1: a contest to to give a a name to our office, 1653 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,920 Speaker 1: and the idea was that we wanted to come up 1654 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,400 Speaker 1: with something that we could call it other than you know, 1655 01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,400 Speaker 1: the the West section of the building or whatever the 1656 01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,479 Speaker 1: heck it was at the time. And the idea was 1657 01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,280 Speaker 1: that we could come up with something and vote on it. 1658 01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,120 Speaker 1: And I thought that it would be fun, just as 1659 01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,599 Speaker 1: a as a joke to call the office the Freedom Hut, 1660 01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,040 Speaker 1: and it was just it was not in any official sense, 1661 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,320 Speaker 1: but we're just like, all right, I'll see you back 1662 01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:51,160 Speaker 1: in the Freedom Hut among my peers and everyone, well 1663 01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,439 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say everybody, but some people really really liked 1664 01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,360 Speaker 1: the idea, and it was immediately shot down and so 1665 01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:58,600 Speaker 1: so we did not The office was not called the 1666 01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,280 Speaker 1: Freedom Hut, uh, But I thought it would be kind 1667 01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,639 Speaker 1: of fun years later, when I started my own show 1668 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,120 Speaker 1: to give it the name that I had always wished 1669 01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,160 Speaker 1: I was able to give my office in the c 1670 01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,080 Speaker 1: I A. UM, like I said, did not happen, but uh, 1671 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,760 Speaker 1: that was one of the earliest inventions of the show. 1672 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:23,200 Speaker 1: And then also all of you team buck, which came 1673 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,679 Speaker 1: to me, I think largely because the notion of team 1674 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,200 Speaker 1: and I speak in in those terms. I talked about 1675 01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:31,920 Speaker 1: a team. One of my all time favorite jobs was 1676 01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,040 Speaker 1: right after college when I was waiting to get a 1677 01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,160 Speaker 1: security clearance too so I could go work for the 1678 01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,759 Speaker 1: c i A. I was a high school junior varsity 1679 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,280 Speaker 1: soccer coach, And it really came out of nowhere. It was. 1680 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,439 Speaker 1: I was already working at the Council on Foreign Relations. 1681 01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,280 Speaker 1: You know the builder Bergs Illuminati, you know the gather together, 1682 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,519 Speaker 1: you know the CFR. I mean they are the government. 1683 01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean they were running things behind the scenes. But 1684 01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:57,640 Speaker 1: the CFR is really just a stuffy think tank. But 1685 01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,360 Speaker 1: I I had the academic credentials to get at there 1686 01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,519 Speaker 1: for a while, so I did. But I had a 1687 01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,559 Speaker 1: schedule that finished at about three thirty or four o'clock 1688 01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:12,360 Speaker 1: every day because you know academic timeline, academic work hours. Uh. 1689 01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,960 Speaker 1: And I was able to coach j V soccer and 1690 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,920 Speaker 1: it was one of the And I give my parents 1691 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,559 Speaker 1: full credit because an issue I was like, oh, it'll 1692 01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,720 Speaker 1: be a lot, and you know this is I'm not 1693 01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,680 Speaker 1: going to coach for a career. They said, no, you're 1694 01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna coach now, because you're gonna coach because you'd be 1695 01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,800 Speaker 1: good at it. UM just so happened. I mean, not 1696 01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:34,280 Speaker 1: to brag, but the Regius Raiders junior varsity soccer team, 1697 01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,360 Speaker 1: I wondered, by the way, if Raiders it's not specified 1698 01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,879 Speaker 1: who's rating whom, but I wonder now because rating is pillaging. 1699 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:45,240 Speaker 1: It's probably politically incorrect. But the Regious Ragers not ragers. 1700 01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:49,040 Speaker 1: That sounds like they're throwing parties. The Regius Raiders UM 1701 01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:54,080 Speaker 1: were under my stewardship. I believe the final tally was 1702 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,760 Speaker 1: we were ten one in one or something like that. 1703 01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,680 Speaker 1: We had a phenomenal, phenomenal seeas and in fact, we 1704 01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,640 Speaker 1: only lost the last game of the season before the 1705 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,120 Speaker 1: playoffs because I didn't play our starters because they didn't 1706 01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:07,559 Speaker 1: want to lose them for the playoffs because we had 1707 01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:11,080 Speaker 1: already clinched first place because we had been undefeated up 1708 01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:14,479 Speaker 1: to that point. But I digress. I loved coaching. It 1709 01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun, and I really hope to 1710 01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,599 Speaker 1: get back to it one day. I had a great 1711 01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,559 Speaker 1: team and I still hear from some of my players now. 1712 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,120 Speaker 1: It's really funny because I had neither worked for the 1713 01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:27,080 Speaker 1: CIA nor come out and told the world that I 1714 01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:29,880 Speaker 1: had worked at the CIA obviously, uh, nor had I 1715 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,320 Speaker 1: been a media personality when they all knew me, so 1716 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,240 Speaker 1: they get a kick out of it now. And I 1717 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:35,840 Speaker 1: wasn't that much older than them. Some of the kids 1718 01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,680 Speaker 1: on my team or I guess sixteen or seventeen, and 1719 01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:42,000 Speaker 1: I was twenty to twenty three at the time, So 1720 01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,120 Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. Um, it was a 1721 01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,200 Speaker 1: lot of fun. I really enjoyed coaching, and so Team 1722 01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,200 Speaker 1: Buck was a natural fit. But I would tweet and 1723 01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:54,400 Speaker 1: I would use Facebook because I was so appreciative of 1724 01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,360 Speaker 1: everybody listening to show. And I still feel that way now, 1725 01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:58,280 Speaker 1: which is why I always get a kick out of 1726 01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,080 Speaker 1: it when people write to me and they want to 1727 01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,120 Speaker 1: tell me what they think about the show or they 1728 01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,680 Speaker 1: want to share articles, and uh, I've it's I can 1729 01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,320 Speaker 1: tell you the volume has gotten to be enough that 1730 01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,000 Speaker 1: I can't always give if somebody sends me an eight 1731 01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,759 Speaker 1: part question that is, that's an eight hundred word essay 1732 01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:17,680 Speaker 1: with queries attached to it. I will read it, and 1733 01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:19,320 Speaker 1: if I give you the thumbs up or something, it's 1734 01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,320 Speaker 1: my way of saying, read it taken on board. You know, 1735 01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,479 Speaker 1: appreciate you sending. But I don't always have the ability 1736 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,760 Speaker 1: to respond with an eight hundred word essay of my own. 1737 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,880 Speaker 1: But that said, I really appreciate the notes and I 1738 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,640 Speaker 1: really think it's um it, it's it. Look, it's what 1739 01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,799 Speaker 1: keeps me going. And radio is a very, very rough business. 1740 01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,360 Speaker 1: The three hour day show is a a heavy lift. 1741 01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:40,960 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people I think that could 1742 01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,000 Speaker 1: do a day of radio, maybe a week of radio. 1743 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,639 Speaker 1: I know very few people that could do radio three 1744 01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,880 Speaker 1: hours a day for a month, for a year, for 1745 01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:54,320 Speaker 1: a career. So I do appreciate the encouragement of the support. 1746 01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,960 Speaker 1: So that's my way of saying. I've always been leveraging 1747 01:39:57,080 --> 01:40:00,559 Speaker 1: the digital side of this business simultaneously with the mic 1748 01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,680 Speaker 1: and the wonderful radio stations and affiliates that we have 1749 01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,680 Speaker 1: here on the show, as just a means of being 1750 01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:09,519 Speaker 1: in connectivity with the audience. I love taking the phone calls. 1751 01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,840 Speaker 1: We've got action movie quote Friday going on, which is 1752 01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:15,160 Speaker 1: one of our our fun things that started in the 1753 01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,400 Speaker 1: old days on the Buck Sexton Show. Um, but here 1754 01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,639 Speaker 1: we are now and I can look over your Facebook 1755 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,519 Speaker 1: some of the Facebook messages, and I want to share 1756 01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,599 Speaker 1: some of them with you. So with that in mind, 1757 01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:32,280 Speaker 1: here is Team Buck Speaks. This one comes from Tim. 1758 01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,479 Speaker 1: He writes, Buck, the historic deep dives are awesome. Please 1759 01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:40,320 Speaker 1: keep up the good work. Just no pop quizzes afterwards. Okay, 1760 01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,519 Speaker 1: uh used to that in school. Well I can promise 1761 01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:46,760 Speaker 1: you Tim that there will be no pop quizzes and 1762 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,120 Speaker 1: there are more history deep dives coming. I'll try to 1763 01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,439 Speaker 1: spread them out and I'll usually make it us segment 1764 01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,160 Speaker 1: a show if I'm gonna do not not every show, 1765 01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:56,800 Speaker 1: but it'll be one segment at a time, and I'll 1766 01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,000 Speaker 1: spread them out and that way people can listen. You 1767 01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:00,960 Speaker 1: can always pull them to get they're on the podcasts 1768 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,160 Speaker 1: if you want. Maybe we'll release them all in one 1769 01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:09,040 Speaker 1: special additional episode at some other point on the podcast. 1770 01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,439 Speaker 1: But I also don't want people to feel like they're 1771 01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,479 Speaker 1: getting a three hour long history lecture, So it'll usually 1772 01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:16,519 Speaker 1: be a segment or two when we do them, which 1773 01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,479 Speaker 1: will only be on occasion, but I'm so glad that 1774 01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,479 Speaker 1: you guys like them, and it's uh, it's a really 1775 01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,840 Speaker 1: a lot of fun for me. Brian also writes love 1776 01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,639 Speaker 1: the history deep dives. How about something from the Barbary Wars, Brian, 1777 01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,040 Speaker 1: I am a step ahead of you. I have the 1778 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,559 Speaker 1: end of Barbary Terror sitting right next to me as 1779 01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:37,280 Speaker 1: I talk to you, and I'm already on it. I've 1780 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,799 Speaker 1: been planning that for a long time. I've promised my audience, 1781 01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:41,160 Speaker 1: those who've been with me for years, we would do 1782 01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,960 Speaker 1: a Barbary Wars deep dive, and at a minimum, I'm 1783 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna do a podcast series on it and maybe do 1784 01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:50,000 Speaker 1: some of it on air here as well. Again, it 1785 01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,759 Speaker 1: really depends on how much interest there is from folks 1786 01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:54,439 Speaker 1: like you. But thank you very much for sending me 1787 01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,800 Speaker 1: the words of support. We get William writing in as 1788 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:00,600 Speaker 1: well via and if you want to right by the 1789 01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:02,960 Speaker 1: way Facebook dot com, slash buck sex and send me 1790 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:06,760 Speaker 1: a message and I can my team can see it too. 1791 01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:08,760 Speaker 1: So just understand that I'm not the only person that's 1792 01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,960 Speaker 1: reading the messages. Uh. So you know, if you have something, 1793 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,360 Speaker 1: if you want to pass along some super secret squirrel 1794 01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:19,360 Speaker 1: information about the Illuminati and the Builderbergs. Just be aware 1795 01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,120 Speaker 1: that I'm not the only person with access and the 1796 01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:23,599 Speaker 1: only person that's checking the inbox. But I will see 1797 01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,160 Speaker 1: it and I'll respond as soon as I can. William 1798 01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:29,080 Speaker 1: right again, Facebook dot com, slash buck sex, and William writes, 1799 01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:31,599 Speaker 1: Hey Buck, I've listened to many talk shows, and yours 1800 01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,160 Speaker 1: is by far the best. What is your opinion of 1801 01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:37,240 Speaker 1: Trump bringing a slander or libel suit against some of 1802 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,920 Speaker 1: these people who are outright calling him a white supremacist. 1803 01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,320 Speaker 1: I hope to hear your reply on the podcast I 1804 01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,600 Speaker 1: listened to every show. William. First, Well, William, thank you 1805 01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,759 Speaker 1: so much. You're incredibly kind, and I really do greatly 1806 01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:53,960 Speaker 1: appreciate the support as to Trump and bringing a slander case. 1807 01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:59,120 Speaker 1: I I don't think that because public officials, there's a 1808 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,679 Speaker 1: very high are for slander against public officials. Remember Liabel 1809 01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,559 Speaker 1: has written slander is spoken. Uh, always easy to remember 1810 01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,439 Speaker 1: that the alliteration slander is spoken, and then Liabel is 1811 01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:13,519 Speaker 1: obviously the written side of defamation against somebody. So I 1812 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,240 Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna work. And and I honestly don't 1813 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,640 Speaker 1: really want to encourage public officials to think that they 1814 01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:24,160 Speaker 1: can deal with nasty criticism about them by suing or 1815 01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:26,680 Speaker 1: going to the courts, and there's a high bar, and 1816 01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:30,080 Speaker 1: there should be a high bar for suing in those cases. 1817 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,640 Speaker 1: So my answer your question is, I know, I appreciate 1818 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,080 Speaker 1: that white supremacist is a term, as I've been saying 1819 01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,160 Speaker 1: on the show, that's thrown around around way too much 1820 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,719 Speaker 1: and is done intentionally with a haph and haphazard fashion. 1821 01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:47,439 Speaker 1: But I don't think you can expect any Trump action 1822 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:51,679 Speaker 1: on that specifically. All right, more of team Buck speaks 1823 01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,720 Speaker 1: here on Facebook. Uh Dave writes your impression of alternate 1824 01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,400 Speaker 1: Nostril breathing had me in stitches. Dave, thank you very much. 1825 01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm not a lot to You made me laugh too, 1826 01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:08,680 Speaker 1: so I'm glad you enjoyed that one as well. I 1827 01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,439 Speaker 1: like alternate Now I can't even do it right now, 1828 01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,840 Speaker 1: I'll lose it, all right, So yes, thank you very 1829 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:17,200 Speaker 1: much for the support. Appreciate it, Alternate Nostril. I've got 1830 01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:20,599 Speaker 1: a message here from Jana. Actually, no, it's John using 1831 01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:24,200 Speaker 1: Jane's account. He writes, Hey, Buck, this is John. I 1832 01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,160 Speaker 1: don't have a Facebook account, so I'm typing this on 1833 01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,639 Speaker 1: my wife's I wanted to let you know because you asked. 1834 01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,679 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the history lessons. That's it and semper 1835 01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:35,960 Speaker 1: five if that is how you spell it. Um well, 1836 01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,679 Speaker 1: yes he did spell it correctly, and thank you very much. John. 1837 01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:43,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and tell Jana thank you as well. 1838 01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:47,800 Speaker 1: Also have a message here from uh Kayla. I hope 1839 01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing it correctly. I'm but pardon me if I'm 1840 01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:54,439 Speaker 1: messing up the name. Hi from an original Squad Saturday listener. 1841 01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm born and raised in Manhattan and now I'm in 1842 01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:02,120 Speaker 1: Daytona in Florida. We have no power, flooding and barely 1843 01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,640 Speaker 1: enough cell service to post a message, but we are 1844 01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:08,679 Speaker 1: alive and blessed. Just wanted to say we missed the show. 1845 01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:11,599 Speaker 1: I listen live every day and subscribe to all your 1846 01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,800 Speaker 1: podcast mediums for years now. If Stitcher is down, I'm 1847 01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,840 Speaker 1: okay because I've got others as backup. I sign up 1848 01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,519 Speaker 1: for the newsletter to hashtag team Buck. My only comfort 1849 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,960 Speaker 1: during these withdrawal pangs is that when Irma's destruction is gone, 1850 01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,439 Speaker 1: I can marathon listen to all the miss shows Shields 1851 01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:32,920 Speaker 1: High Kayla. Uh, thank you so much for for your 1852 01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,720 Speaker 1: kind words, and I'm glad you're okay down there in Florida. 1853 01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:40,479 Speaker 1: Much appreciated them. I much appreciated the message, and just 1854 01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:43,040 Speaker 1: good to know that you're okay. And indeed the podcast 1855 01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,280 Speaker 1: or on demand listening on the I Heart app, you 1856 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,280 Speaker 1: can always do that, or just go to bux x 1857 01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:51,920 Speaker 1: and dot com you can listen there. Theta writes, Oh, 1858 01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,760 Speaker 1: my goodness, your Hillary impression cracks me up. With all 1859 01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,280 Speaker 1: the heavy issues going on in this country even the 1860 01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,559 Speaker 1: world right now, it helps to laugh. Shields high wealth data. 1861 01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:04,559 Speaker 1: I completely agree, and I'm really glad that you enjoy 1862 01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:08,720 Speaker 1: the Hilly impression. I enjoy doing it. James writes in 1863 01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:13,240 Speaker 1: Hey Buck, big fan, Original Saturday Squad, I have what 1864 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:17,280 Speaker 1: I think might be a great guest idea Douglas oh Murray, 1865 01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:22,519 Speaker 1: author of The Strange Death of Europe, Immigration, Identity and Islam. 1866 01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:25,400 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating book. Take care, brother, come back with 1867 01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:27,559 Speaker 1: your shield or on it. I like it. First of all, 1868 01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:31,080 Speaker 1: James is thrown out there the Spartan motto, which was 1869 01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,479 Speaker 1: really the basis for shields high those who wonder, well, Buck, 1870 01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:36,920 Speaker 1: why do you say shields high? Because I used to 1871 01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:40,120 Speaker 1: say I used to talk about ancient history. We've been 1872 01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:44,760 Speaker 1: talking about really Renaissance history recently with the Cross versus 1873 01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,840 Speaker 1: Crescent siege of Malta, but I also like to talk 1874 01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:51,000 Speaker 1: about Ancient Rome, ancient Ancient Greece, particularly Sparta and the 1875 01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:55,360 Speaker 1: fights between Sparta and Athens. And we even would work 1876 01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:59,320 Speaker 1: in the term sometimes shield tosser, which was an ancient 1877 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,640 Speaker 1: Greek uh pejorative. This was to say that somebody was 1878 01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:05,200 Speaker 1: being a coward in anything, right, So if you if 1879 01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:10,719 Speaker 1: you could say, for example, that recently the Republican Congress 1880 01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:13,639 Speaker 1: has been a bunch of shield tossers, and it meant 1881 01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:17,559 Speaker 1: that because you have this big round shield hoplan from 1882 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,320 Speaker 1: which we get the term hop light in ancient Greek 1883 01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:24,360 Speaker 1: phalanx warfare. And this shield was large and heavy, and 1884 01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:26,360 Speaker 1: if you were going to flee, you obviously don't want 1885 01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:28,960 Speaker 1: to be running around this big circular shield, so you'd 1886 01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,320 Speaker 1: throw it on the ground, and hence a shield tosser, 1887 01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:36,200 Speaker 1: which is the way of calling somebody a coward. So, um, 1888 01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,360 Speaker 1: we have some we've had some fun with the terminology, 1889 01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,960 Speaker 1: and shields high was essentially it's essentially the opposite of 1890 01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:46,679 Speaker 1: a shield tosser in ancient Greek parlance, and come back 1891 01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,720 Speaker 1: with your shield or on it is what this is 1892 01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:53,840 Speaker 1: the the legend the Spartan women used to say to 1893 01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:58,040 Speaker 1: their husbands when they would leave when they spartiate warriors 1894 01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,720 Speaker 1: would leave for battle. Um. But James, I will check 1895 01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:03,479 Speaker 1: out that book, The Strange Death of Europe. I think 1896 01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,960 Speaker 1: we've actually had that author on the radar as a 1897 01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:09,360 Speaker 1: possible guest, and we will try to track that down. 1898 01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,559 Speaker 1: By the way, I do love guest suggestions as well. 1899 01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,400 Speaker 1: If you've got somebody that hasn't been on, if he's 1900 01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,120 Speaker 1: already been on the show, he's on our radar. And 1901 01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:20,160 Speaker 1: unless there's a pressing reason, you know, we will work 1902 01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:22,280 Speaker 1: through that and get back to people when we can. 1903 01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:24,200 Speaker 1: But if there's somebody you've never heard that you think 1904 01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:25,920 Speaker 1: would be a really good fit, and that the folks 1905 01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,840 Speaker 1: that are listening to Buck Sex and With America now 1906 01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,760 Speaker 1: should here, Facebook is a great way to tell me 1907 01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:35,040 Speaker 1: what you think. Are we got maybe a couple more 1908 01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,200 Speaker 1: here because I know you can all call in and 1909 01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,360 Speaker 1: some of you are listening to the shows on a 1910 01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,080 Speaker 1: little bit of a delay and so you're not able 1911 01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:44,320 Speaker 1: to We're gonna we're on. We're on over a hundred 1912 01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,439 Speaker 1: stations across the country, but on some of them, it's 1913 01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,479 Speaker 1: a little bit after when I'm on air, and so 1914 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:51,960 Speaker 1: Facebook is great because this is a way for me 1915 01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,280 Speaker 1: to interact with you and you can tell me your 1916 01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:55,880 Speaker 1: thoughts on the show and I get it quickly and 1917 01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,920 Speaker 1: can respond. So, like I was saying, Facebook dot com 1918 01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,880 Speaker 1: slash buck Sexton semi messages there, I read everything in 1919 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:06,400 Speaker 1: that inbox, uh, Mark writes the following, Honestly, I found 1920 01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,200 Speaker 1: you about two years ago. You're an amazing talk host 1921 01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:13,040 Speaker 1: analyst and your storytelling is great and extraordinary. I remember 1922 01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:15,760 Speaker 1: one of the first deep dives was during October and 1923 01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,880 Speaker 1: you did a piece on Dracula and it was amazing. 1924 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,320 Speaker 1: So I'm just looking for a way that I can 1925 01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:23,559 Speaker 1: share this with my kids, family and friends as well 1926 01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:25,560 Speaker 1: as you present it. Shields high and thank you for 1927 01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:27,920 Speaker 1: taking the time. Well, Mark, you are very kind and 1928 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you appreciated the real we did 1929 01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:32,760 Speaker 1: u uh. This was last year and I'm planning to 1930 01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,720 Speaker 1: do it again this year. This will probably be in 1931 01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:36,240 Speaker 1: the third hour of the show again, which is when 1932 01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:39,920 Speaker 1: I do a lot of my experimental radio stuff, which 1933 01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,800 Speaker 1: I have found people tend to enjoy and like because 1934 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,519 Speaker 1: it's different I mean, by the time you get to 1935 01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,639 Speaker 1: this show, I know you've had the Internet and TV 1936 01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,960 Speaker 1: and all this stuff all day. You know, if if 1937 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:53,200 Speaker 1: there's a if there's a I don't know, if there's 1938 01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:55,439 Speaker 1: something going on somewhere that's big in the news, I 1939 01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:56,920 Speaker 1: want to give you my take on it, which is 1940 01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:58,519 Speaker 1: what we do at the top of the show. But 1941 01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to spend and all day 1942 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,759 Speaker 1: just go all of our show, all of our time together, 1943 01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,800 Speaker 1: just going over a laundry list of news stories. I 1944 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:07,799 Speaker 1: want to do other things. I want to do history 1945 01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:10,640 Speaker 1: and political philosophy and storytelling, and that's a lot of 1946 01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:12,840 Speaker 1: that will do in the third hour. But Mark, we're 1947 01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,280 Speaker 1: gonna do Dracula, the Real Dracula, the History of Dracula, 1948 01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,240 Speaker 1: or Vlad dra Cool. We will get into this Vlad 1949 01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:23,880 Speaker 1: the Impaler. We'll get into that um this year around 1950 01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:26,560 Speaker 1: Halloween time as or on Halloween or close to it 1951 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,720 Speaker 1: as well, because that that people last year love that 1952 01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:31,640 Speaker 1: on the show, and We're gonna kind of revisit it 1953 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,360 Speaker 1: and and I'll do an even deeper dive and we'll 1954 01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:36,599 Speaker 1: have some fun with spooky sound effects and everything else. 1955 01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,360 Speaker 1: So that's the plan coming up in the end of October. 1956 01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:42,479 Speaker 1: Do you have any ideas for specials things you want 1957 01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:45,320 Speaker 1: me to cover on the show. Uh, topics that you 1958 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,840 Speaker 1: would just love a deep dive on. I live for 1959 01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,320 Speaker 1: that stuff, guys, so just let me know. Facebook dot 1960 01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:52,439 Speaker 1: com slash Buck Saxon is a place to do it. 1961 01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,240 Speaker 1: This has been Team Buck Speaks. I hope you're enjoying 1962 01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,400 Speaker 1: here in some of your messages to me read aloud. 1963 01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,519 Speaker 1: There'll be more of them coming up. And on the 1964 01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,519 Speaker 1: flip side of this break, We're gonna close it out, 1965 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,840 Speaker 1: close it out strong. We'll be right back. Well, this 1966 01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:08,760 Speaker 1: is the saddest part of the show for me because 1967 01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,640 Speaker 1: I get to say, uh, goodbye to all of you 1968 01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:14,120 Speaker 1: for at least the day. But I'm gonna be back 1969 01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,680 Speaker 1: all next week, of course, Monday through Friday. As per 1970 01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:20,439 Speaker 1: usual here in the Freedom Hunt, I have a weekend 1971 01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:23,479 Speaker 1: of no particular plans. I think I'm going to an 1972 01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:26,559 Speaker 1: engagement party. And that's always fun to go to an 1973 01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:30,599 Speaker 1: engagement party when you're in a relationship and and need 1974 01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:33,400 Speaker 1: to get engaged soon, because it's not like that you know, 1975 01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,200 Speaker 1: comes up or or turns up the pressure at all. 1976 01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:37,960 Speaker 1: It's not like all of a sudden, She's like, look 1977 01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:42,360 Speaker 1: at the beautiful ring my friend has. It's such a 1978 01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,719 Speaker 1: beautiful ring that she has on it, that her boyfriend 1979 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,560 Speaker 1: gave her because he's now her fiance. That's not like 1980 01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,080 Speaker 1: a thing that ever happens to anybody, right, You never 1981 01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,080 Speaker 1: when you're at that stage of your life go to 1982 01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:56,479 Speaker 1: a engagement party and all of a sudden he or 1983 01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:58,320 Speaker 1: or even go to a wedding where, all of a sudden, 1984 01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:01,559 Speaker 1: wasn't that a beautiful wedding boyfriend who needs to put 1985 01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,519 Speaker 1: a ring on it? I'm just I mean, Miss Molly 1986 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:05,400 Speaker 1: would never say any of this, but I'm just kidding. Um. 1987 01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:07,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't really other than that, I've got 1988 01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,080 Speaker 1: a pretty pretty mellow weekend planned. UM. I do really 1989 01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:13,439 Speaker 1: appreciate all the Facebook messages. UM, I'm still trying to 1990 01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:17,080 Speaker 1: think of more experimental segments I have. I know, I 1991 01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,479 Speaker 1: keep saying you're gonna meet Commy bear, you will, That's 1992 01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:22,280 Speaker 1: gonna happen as well. I've got all all kinds of 1993 01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:26,000 Speaker 1: plans uh lined up for the show going forward that 1994 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:29,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna be trying new things. But that's why your 1995 01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,519 Speaker 1: feedback is so important. I really do want it. I 1996 01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:33,960 Speaker 1: want to know what you like, what you want more of. 1997 01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:36,120 Speaker 1: If you don't like something, I want to hear that too, 1998 01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:38,760 Speaker 1: But you know, be nice. I put a lot of 1999 01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,600 Speaker 1: time and effort into this, and I'm really trying to 2000 01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:43,240 Speaker 1: make sure that every minute of your time that you 2001 01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:46,360 Speaker 1: give me, whether uh, listening live on air through our 2002 01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:49,400 Speaker 1: wonderful affiliates across the country, or listening on the I 2003 01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,439 Speaker 1: Heart app on demand or to the podcast iTunes, is 2004 01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:53,840 Speaker 1: a great way to get it. Buck Sex in with 2005 01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,240 Speaker 1: America now is the name. I do want to hear 2006 01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:58,559 Speaker 1: from all of you on that, So please do use 2007 01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:02,200 Speaker 1: the various mean at your disposal to give me your 2008 01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:04,800 Speaker 1: thoughts on things Facebook dot com slash buck Sex, and 2009 01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:06,439 Speaker 1: those of you on Facebook. We're gonna set up an 2010 01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:09,559 Speaker 1: email address too, so that'll be for everyone to write 2011 01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:11,880 Speaker 1: in and tell us thoughts there. That'll be coming up 2012 01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:15,000 Speaker 1: next week or the week after. Have a great weekend, everybody. 2013 01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,080 Speaker 1: I will see you on Monday. She'll tie