WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Breaking Down The Week 10 Loss 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:08.039 This he is talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.840 dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys as play No 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:23.680 Your hosts Mickey'spagnola, Brian brought us, Taylor Stern and Rob Phillips. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.040 Welcome everybody into the s TOBBC Mortgage Studio. It is 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.360 Monday here at the Star as we get ready to 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:36.000 dive into the tough loss in Atlanta last night. Of course, 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.160 always joined by Brian, Rob Mickey and and you guys 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.360 have been studying this already. You see what happened here. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.160 But let's start first where everyone's pointing the fingers, Chas Green, 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.800 Chas Green. What went wrong? We had faith in him. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.920 Tough day at the office, really tough day. I'll give 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.640 him credit for this. He stood up in front of 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.960 thirty people and put the whole game on his shoulder 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.920 and that's big. Yeah, so I let the team down. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.720 I'll give him credit for that. So you run routes? 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.360 No he didn't. Yeah, I would help. You're trying to 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:10.959 get the ball out quick. It'd be nice to get 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.160 people open if you're going to do that, you know, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.959 I mean, it's it, Yeah, it's not just him. No, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.080 welly all had a hand in it. They all had 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.000 a hand in that. Absolutely. They had some plays where 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.280 they wanted to get the ball out quicker. Yeah it 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.560 didn't happen. Yeah. Um, either the routes weren't good or 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:35.000 the quarterback didn't see it, that's true. Um. You know, look, 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.039 there's only so many guys you can compensate for ye 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.160 on a team. And that was kind of the mother 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:47.600 load right there. And as I was writing, it's one 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.200 thing to lose like four of the best players on 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.520 your team. Clue the kicker there, Yes, okay, thank you, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:02:00.440 carry on, especially the kicker Tyrenzy and the kicker Pitterpole 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:07.280 third segment. And also, um, we're not just talking about 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.120 like four of the best guys on this team. We're 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.080 talking about four of the best guys at their positioned 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.240 in the league. And you know, I get the next 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.000 man up and all that stuff. There's a reason why 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.520 that guy's the next man up. He wasn't good enough 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.200 to be there in the first place. See that's where 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.600 I'm getting questions now about everybody's going, Well do they 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.840 evaluate their backups well enough? Well, how do you replace 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.280 all pro players? You know, you do it the best 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.920 You can't. Yeah, and I'll say this about Chaz Green. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.639 We've seen Chad's Green play a lot better, really have 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.160 you know, We've seen him started. They won games with 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:44.280 Chads Green playing left tackle, you know, and go ahead, 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.000 well you wrote about it last night. You made a 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.440 great point. You haven't seen him start at left tackle 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.200 or even started guard where Zeke wasn't in the game 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.600 as well, where you're playing catch up and they're pinning 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.440 their ears back and you know what's coming. Well, and yeah, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.840 but they had with Jonathan and Cooper being exposed like 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.080 he was last night. They had four sacks in the 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.280 first half and it was only ten to seven. I know, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:12.960 so you know, and but you can't have one position 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:17.440 run your entire offense. I know they missed Zeke, I 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.240 get it. Yeah, but you know they missed the ability 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.960 to run the football. Well there's that, but they I mean, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.320 it is the balance. I mean we kind of all 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.840 thought that maybe that coming into the game, that they 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.520 would be able to have some success running the football. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.679 They got into some twenty one personnel, they got into 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.400 twenty two personnel, they got in thirteen personnel. That kind 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.200 of helped him in the second half. A little bit, 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.560 but they really couldn't get anything going with with Alfred 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.200 running the football. They couldn't get anything going with Rod Smith. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.520 I was asking for a you know, a physical back 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.800 to run and there were a couple of times they 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.840 handed him the ball and cuts that cuts that that 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.960 Zeke would have made that generally run into a four 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.520 or five yard game. We're you know that you don't 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.440 get those cuts. He didn't. Yeah, and that and that's 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.080 a problem. That's that's where that's where you know, when 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.800 you talk about your offensive line and you know you're 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.560 a bully to run the football. You know, if you 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.920 if you block well enough, it's up to the back too. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.760 It's up to you back to read it the right way, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.839 make a cut and get what you can. Well, it 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.680 was interesting, you know we always get to sit next 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.919 to you know, in the home games, I get to 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.520 sit next to Mickey, but most of the time on 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.800 the road I sit next to Calvin Hill, who knows 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.039 a thing or two about being a solid running back. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.040 And every time you would see Alfred, you say, you 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.880 have to keep going, keep going, don't stop, don't let 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.600 him tackle you. There. He was getting so frustrated. I'm 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.760 sure you even heard him rob Oh yeah, yeah, it's 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.240 just like, what is he doing? He's stopping. That was 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.479 a frustrating first half for the Running Game. And Alfred's 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.039 funny because we've talked about Chaz Alfred saying put this 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.279 on me. He said the Running Game got going too 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.240 late in the game, and you look at what they 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:52.880 did in the first half. They tried to have some 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.239 semblance of balance. I mean when they run eleven times 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.719 for forty three yards, but it was all dack. It 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.120 was dak mostly scra including a touchdown run. The two 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.719 backs had seven carries for eight yards. Yeah, but you 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.159 know what, they didn't do anything else. Atlanta didn't do anything. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.920 The total yards were exactly the same, The rushing yards 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.680 were about exactly the same. After the first half was over. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.360 Where did they miss out then? Offensively? Other than if 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:20.960 you know you could tell? Do you think how many 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:22.960 points did you think they would give up in this game? 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.480 I thought it was gonna be I think I predicted 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.560 it was gonna be. I predicted Dallas to lose. I 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.559 think it was twenty eight two. Yeah, I had Yeah, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.840 I thought they could win. Can't remember exactly something like 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:39.360 that yet, So ended up. What happened is you fall behind, sure, 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.400 and now you're in big trouble. Yeah, right, right, you 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.640 were hanging in there at ten seven, And the same 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.320 thing happened in this game that happened last Sunday. Right, 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.599 score at the end of the half, first possession, third quarter, 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.360 score again and all of a sudden fourteen points. But 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.520 even then, exact same thing. Even then the third quarter 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.320 the killer. The Yeah, first drive of the second half, 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.400 Atlanta takes a seventeen seven league, right, but you're still 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.200 you can still be balanced, and they got the running 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.599 game going. In that first drive of the second half, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.040 more starts ripping off runs. You find yourself of the 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.040 twelve yard line. Than what happens, get sacked, the sack, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.000 seven yard loss minus run, and all of a sudden, 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.560 I think it's like third nineteen and you miss a 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.520 field goal which is from thirty eight yards, which is 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.479 just a backbreaker because it's a ten point swing. Atlantic 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.279 goes down their scores again, and all of a sudden, 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.680 Now you're running games out the window. So there's other things. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.960 It's not just the sacks, right, No, no, that's what 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.279 we're trying to say. But the sack hurt that possession. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.000 It did, but if kicked the field goal, sure right, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.279 I went back and looked. So the last time other 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.160 than a block that they missed the field goal less 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.040 than forty yards was the third game of the twenty 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:01.600 thirteen season. So wow, Bailey and new gentlemen. So that 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:05.960 point went sixty three of sixty three, sixty three of 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.280 sixty three. I steal that from a column tomorrow and 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.880 go ahead, I already used today. There you go. But 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:16.280 and then he misses, Yeah, hits the upright. He never 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.440 pushes the ball to the right. It always hooks to 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.239 the left, you know. And so yeah, those left hashes 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:27.200 aren't good for him. Seventeen ten. Okay, gives you a chance, though, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.200 doesn't it. Right, It gives you a little bit of 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.200 an emotional lift. Maybe your defense plays better knowing it's 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.600 a no one score game. It's not well, Shawn Lee 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.400 was not in the game. Do you realize what's happened 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.040 with Shawn Lee out of the game. Oh no, we understand. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:42.560 I've got a numbers for you if you want him. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.000 And they can't give him too. I can't stop anybody. Yeah, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.160 give us the numbers. They stopped when when Shawn Lee 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.040 went out of the game. That possession, they held him 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.200 to a field goal. I think they punted, didn't they. Oh, 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.040 it was a fifty fifty field goal. And then the 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.880 next possession because they punted down to the two yard line, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.400 they stopped him and then it was touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.200 field goal. Yeah, he went out with he went out. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.000 The play went out on first and ten. The Atlanta 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.480 forty like twelve minutes gone in the first first tree 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.240 one quarter, the first quarter. That's the play he got 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.200 hurt in. Yeah, okay, so thank you for that. I'm 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.680 just looking at the run defense with Sean in the 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.680 game without him. The two games he missed so far 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.120 this season, Rams Packers sixty four gave up an average 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.480 one sixty four and his six full starts, and I'm 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.480 counting the Arizona game where he got hurt in like 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.920 the last two minutes with the game already decided, gave 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.560 up eighty point three yards per game on the ground. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.560 Big difference there. You mentioned that play where he got hurt. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.960 They had a minus four run by Coleman. At that point, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.160 Atlanta had rushed four times for minus two yards. They 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.400 finished with thirty carries for one thirty four four point 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.880 five ACCR and no DeVonta Freeman. Yeah, and he's out 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.000 with a concussion, so there's no question just run defense, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.160 specifically the impact he has when he's in the game. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:09.720 So I understand Zeke, but Tyring and Sean Lee they 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.880 got no replacements for him. Bryan always says, though nobody 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.720 feels sorry for him. Oh, I'm not. I'm not making excuses. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.400 I'm just telling you what happened. That's reality, right, That 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.640 is reality though, that you're just not good enough. You know, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.160 I mean shot, but let meybe. Let's be honest here though. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.120 Really it correct me if I'm wrong. Did we Did 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.640 you feel like going into the game that Chaz Green 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.320 was gonna be the liability? No? I thought he could 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.360 hang in there. I was. I'm not sure. I think 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.120 the coaches thought the same thing. What happened to him? 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.880 Because he looked like he was playing in quicksand he 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.600 spoke to his technique and Brian, yeah, but he wasn't 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.240 his feet, he said, yeah, he said, It's just true. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.880 He got caught leaning, he got caught off balance. He 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.880 knew it. He got away from his technique. That if 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.000 you want to break it down, That's what he said. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.680 But he looked slow. Do you think it was too 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.680 differ cool for him this season? Kind of trying to 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.040 handle the guard no things? At first, they wrapped him. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.680 They rapped him all week at tackle, playing tackle. I 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.880 just don't know why. Yeah, since Cooper's been playing guard, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.960 he hasn't taken any snaps a guard. It's not like 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.960 he just jumped into it last week. I think where 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.640 they missed Zeke most is kind of what we talked 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.880 about late last week. It was like Atlanta wasn't going 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.200 to fear the running game without him, no, and so 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.520 they gambled with that wide nine look on the Cowboys 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.920 left side because Adrian Claiborne was way out. Why way, 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.559 Why do you think they would have done that of 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.200 Zeke's playing and known that there was a big gap there, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.040 or if Tyrone was playing and they you left that 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.240 big gap. But they didn't fear those guys hitting that 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.320 gap and beating them. Right, Okay, I'll give you three yards, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.559 I'll give you four yards, but by god, I'm coming after. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.800 I'm coming after Dak and he had trouble getting out 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.160 in space. It's a great point. You make Mickey because 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:00.840 the first thing I know otis was when he was 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:05.319 having problems he couldn't kick for depth, and then when 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.720 he couldn't kick for depth, and as as he's going back, 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.079 he couldn't get with so all of a sudden he stuck, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.400 like Mickey said, he's stuck near the line instead of 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.480 being kick kick and be outside like you see, Tyren 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.600 Smith will take two really violent kicks and he'll be 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.559 all the way to the outside. When it took Smith 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.040 or it's gonna be green almost three kicks and by 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.760 that time you've given up the corner because Mickey's talking 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.440 about they played that wide nine, you've given up that edge. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.200 Every sack it was the same move. Basically, he just 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.760 went around him. He was just it wasn't the footwork 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.840 was bad, the hands were bad, the balance was bad, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.160 the over extension was bad. You know, he even got 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.840 caught on one with a spun on him, the fumble, 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.200 the one right before the half with a fumble he 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.920 got spun on there. You know, it was just, hey, 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.040 it was it's a rough day at the office. I 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.120 mean that's an understatement. I mean it's easy to pile 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.520 on the guy and say it's his fault. But you know, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.640 you look throughout there's there's things out there that you know, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.200 the coach was talking about. They wanted to throw the football, 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.199 they wanted to be able to get it out quick, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.960 they wanted to handle some things, and they just didn't 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.079 do a very good job that. You're two primary receivers 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.439 think came up with five catches for forty eight yards. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.319 That's it, that's it. Yeah, Terrence did not happen. I 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.320 mean it was it was you know, it was Jason 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.480 Witton late in the game, and you know, and they 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.800 were gonna give you that. Absolutely, we're gonna give you that. Yeah, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.120 but they couldn't, you know. And let's see some untimely 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.160 penalties too, not just the holding penalties, but how about 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.400 the pilly on Bryce Butler. I mean you just you 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.960 you know, you make a pi it's a great gamble 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.200 play that all of a sudden, you don't need to 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.840 do that. You don't need to push with a great pass, Yeah, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.600 you don't need you don't need to push that guy. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.160 You can go get their football. For anyone who's listening, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.200 they were talking about the fake punt. Yeah, Chris Jones 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.480 passes to Bryce Butler and Bryce Butler pushes off the 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.880 defender and gets the offensive passage, shoves him, and he 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.719 shone I had to play down to the twenty one. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.160 That was That was a one of those momentum killers. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.320 Absolutely reminded me of the muff punt against the Ram. Yeah, right, 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.880 because they're gonna go, They're going, they're going, They're they're 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.960 down to the twenty one yard line. And I talked 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.679 to him afterwards, and I think he got frustrated because 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.880 the cornerback, Alfred Right, is playing it like he's the gunner, right, 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.880 so he's gonna hold him up right, and he has 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.840 that right to do it right. And he got into 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.160 a wrestling match and he goes, oh, I gotta get off, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.960 I gotta get down, and he ended up throwing at 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.400 him and the guy flopped a little bit, but he did. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.760 He did throw at him. So what happens is the 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.760 corner is not gonna get called for interference because he's 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.520 blocking for a punt, right, But the guy that's gonna 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.200 go out for the past can't do that. Yeah. I 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.120 thought if he drove him off a little, I thought 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.320 if he drove him like he was gonna cover right, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.440 and then and then made him have to kind of 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.760 play back and then stop your route and go up 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.400 because Joe's throw the ball where he needed to throw it. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.560 It was perfect, perfect. And you know what, Jason Garrett 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.200 doesn't call a lot of trick plays. I mean, I mean, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.440 I'm thearing to think of the really the last trick play. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.000 I mean last year in Philadelphia maybe, and not in Philadelphia, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.760 but the fake punt Chris Jones earlier this season, was 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.600 there a trick play? Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't with 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.280 Chris Jones, though, let me look that up. He ran 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.760 the ball last year, Chris, he did. Yeah, that's what 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.840 I'm saying. The Philadelphia game. I'm trying to think about 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.040 a thirty yard game. I'm trying to think of special teams. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.720 I'm trying to think of a special team's trick play. 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.600 I know what you're saying. This year? Yah? Yeah, like 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.880 there was one. Yeah, you're right, Nick, that was a huge, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.560 huge That was a huge momentum swing. And and even 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.760 though they punted him down to the two yard line 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.040 and stopped him, you didn't get points. Yeah, and you 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.960 had an opportunity. And I think Jason realized that they 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.760 were going to have to steal the possession there were 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.560 they were going to have to get something extra to 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.800 Babiel to hang in. See, and I go back to 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.560 another bad penny and Chas Green gets called for holding. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.440 You throw the ball to Cole Beasley in the flat. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.840 It's a first down. Yeah, Instead, now you're you know 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.520 it's ten yards going back and you have to punt 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.880 the ball too many times behind the chain. Yeah, So 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.640 eight sacks they give up. But not just eight sacks. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.920 That got hit ten times. Ten times he could have 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.600 he could have been sacked a dozen and they had 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.720 nine tackles for losses nine that that last drive before 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.120 the half. Every single play he was running for his life. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.920 He was tired. He was running for his life. And 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.000 could I get out of bounds and take a break. 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.200 I was. I had a flashback of what if Tony 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.960 Romo was still a quarterback in that situation. I mean, 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.520 he would have been taken off the field. It was 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.880 unbelievable how much pressure he was under. Well that's what 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.280 happens too if he come would come one dimensional. Well yeah, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.480 I mean, I your inability to your inability to to 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.920 like Mickey said, and stay ahead of the change. That's 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.520 how this team survives. I shouldn't say survived, this said 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.000 this team operates. It works on the run, it works 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.360 on the play action. It allows you the waggles to boots, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.240 you know, the things like that to get receivers open, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.120 and it just you know, when you don't have that ability, 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.640 then you then your offense will struggle. Conversely, I thought 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.800 Atlanta was able to take advantage of that. They got 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.960 their running gamely used a lot of when did they 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.560 get it going though? After Sean left? Okay, but I'm 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.600 saying they got the running game going, and they used 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.440 play action well off of that, a lot of misdirection stuff. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.400 They housed down the middle of the field, Yes, third down, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.480 right down the middle of the field. Matt Ryan got 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.200 very comfortable as the game went on. Well, they only 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.400 would they sack him one time. One time Laurence sack 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.680 one yep, which I was sitting there going they need 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.400 a sack and and he got it. And it's like okay, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.480 but that was it. He At the time of day, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.280 those guys on on the right side of the of 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.600 the of the line of scrimmage were running all the 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.040 way across to the other boundary and catching the ball. Yeah, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.600 you know, and I made some heck of a place too, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.440 that Hulo Jones made a couple of Oh one of 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.440 that guy's got the greatest hands I think I've had 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.800 also about six nine. He can stretch radius. He just 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.800 stretches out the hands out like you know. And then 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.359 and then not, I mean, he's enough of a load 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.880 there running games, enough a load. And then some joker 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.720 name Hooper starts beating you up up in the middle. Hooper? 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.560 Who did Hooper? Yeah, come on, well, and that's another 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:21.520 indication Shawn Lee's out of there, you know. And so 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.800 they end up moving Hitchens to the weak side and 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.520 Jalen Smith in the middle. And poor Jalen Smith he 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.080 needs like four steps to take what he should take 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.960 to get two steps. Do you think it's more Do 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.199 you think it's more about though the some of the 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.000 mental and I'm not meaning mental in it, like some 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.159 of them were. Yet we're sitting gaps that that weren't run. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.520 There was no runner. Yeah, that you just get so 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.119 overly aggressive and wound up and you're you're trying to 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.880 attack the line and you just you put yourself out 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.640 of position. And some of that just being a young 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.920 player and having missed a year of football. The recognition 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.400 he's played a lot of snaps now I know at 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.920 this point this point he has. But if you was 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.600 one of those things where you said, okay, he hasn't 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.320 played all year and all he's been as a special 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.560 teams guy. If you said this, okay, that was if 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.640 you said that was march Lillard playing, I would say, okay, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.400 he's a venter player. But he hadn't played a lot 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.040 of defense. I would have you know, I would have 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.960 been a little bit more sympathetic there. So what do 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.199 you attribute it to? I mean, he's a smart player, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.359 he's he's I mean he was going to be a 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.600 top five pick in the draft. He was. He's just 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.480 way over aggressive though, Yeah, he's way over He doesn't 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.720 play within the scheme. That's a big problem for him. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:33.680 So this this occurred to me. If Sean Lee can't 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.359 play this next game, are they better off with Hitchens 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:41.000 in the middle and somebody else playing the week side? 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.160 Then Hitchens going to the week side and somebody else 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.360 playing in the middle. Great question to go into our break. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.000 We're going to take our first break here, break yep, 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.680 we have to break. There is so much to talk about, 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.320 but that is a good question to get everyone excited 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.600 to join us when we come right back. It can 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.840 be hard to find the right resource for learning about 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.200 it important financial matters. 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