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Speaker 1: Hello us, it's us. You're about a year. An episode

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Speaker 1: on Independence Day with Lindsay ellis the one, the only.

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Speaker 1: But first a few plugs. Yes, we have a few

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Speaker 1: shows coming up and multiple countries, multiple continents. First, we

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Speaker 1: have our last l a show for a while at

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Speaker 1: the Ruby on July thirteenth, recovering Anastasia for my birthday.

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Speaker 1: I'll be cosplaying as Respude and of course um that's

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Speaker 1: on July thirteenth. Go to backtal coast dot com click

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Speaker 1: on live for tickets there. I'm also doing my show

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Speaker 1: one more time on July twenty at the Lyric Hyperion

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Speaker 1: Boss Home Is Girl, if you want to check that

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Speaker 1: show bossum Is Girl July July at the Bill Murray.

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Speaker 1: Tickets are already running loads in London. That's in London.

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Speaker 1: It's the show I'm taking to Edinburgh Fringe Fest called

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Speaker 1: Boss Home Is Girl. It is say skewering satire of

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Speaker 1: corporate feminism in the vein of Cheryl Samburg, Elizabeth Homes, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: It is very fun. I've seen it many times and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to see it more when we are both

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Speaker 1: in Edinburgh. Yeah. I'll then be doing the show every

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Speaker 1: single night at Edinburgh Fringe Festival at the Pleasants Baby

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Speaker 1: Grand from July thirty one to August. Tickets for that

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Speaker 1: are also on the Becktel Cast website or on my website.

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Speaker 1: I will be selling tickets at any cost. And then

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Speaker 1: after that run ends, we will be going to London

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Speaker 1: for to an evening of two live Becktel casts that

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited. It's our first, it's our first international performance. Sorry, Canada,

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Speaker 1: so we'll come. We'll be there soon, Canada, don't you worry.

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Speaker 1: But first we'll be in London on September one, two

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Speaker 1: back to back shows. That evening. We are covering Pixars

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Speaker 1: Brave and The Favorite, so hopefully that's appropriate. Enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: We know that Brave does not take place in London,

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Speaker 1: King speech. You don't want to hear it, we don't

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Speaker 1: want to do it, so we'll be at the Albany. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Tickets are officially on sale. They can be found at

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Speaker 1: bechtelcast dot com in the live tab and we hope

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Speaker 1: to see you there. And then, don't forget I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a couple of stand up shows in Edinburgh as well

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Speaker 1: in late August. I'm doing some in London and I'm

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Speaker 1: doing some in Dublin as well, so if you live

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Speaker 1: in those parts please check me out. All my stuff

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Speaker 1: will be on my website, Caitlin Dronte dot com. Love

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Speaker 1: it so. Without much further ado, Happy Independence Day episode Yes.

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Speaker 1: On the dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeth in best start

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Speaker 1: changing it with the beck Del Cast. Good morning. In

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Speaker 1: less than an hour and a half, we will have

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Speaker 1: finished talking about the movie Independence Day, uh and many

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Speaker 1: from around the world will have listened to it, and

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Speaker 1: we can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We

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Speaker 1: killing you're such an inspiring leader, really, this is why

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Speaker 1: you keep getting reelected. We will be fighting for our

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Speaker 1: freedom from the patriarchy. Should we win, today will no

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Speaker 1: longer be considered an American holiday, but a day that

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Darante I'm Jamie Lofton, and we talk about movies

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Speaker 1: So this episode will be flawless. Yes, it's not like

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Speaker 1: so today we're talking about Independence Day. Yeah, and today,

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Speaker 1: celebrating it. Sincerely, I don't know what a strange time

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Speaker 1: Passions were flared. Goodness, it's Lindsay Ellis say thank you

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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean it's like you barely have

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Speaker 1: to Like I'm glad that you're able to follow if

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Speaker 1: you're really paying attention, but you barely have to be

424
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Speaker 1: able to follow. You're just like it's gonna happen. So

425
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Speaker 1: someone's going to fly into the spaceship and then someone's

426
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Speaker 1: gonna kiss and then it's over. Two things that need

427
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: to happen in this movie, and Alien Corpse parts will

428
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Speaker 1: fall from the sky and the music will swell, and

429
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Speaker 1: and Bill Pullman's on the ground like seemingly forgetting that

430
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Speaker 1: his wife died less than pretty good. He's got so

431
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Speaker 1: many people die and then the people who should react

432
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Speaker 1: to that do not react to that. Yeah, like the

433
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Speaker 1: like the next day, the first scene of Act to

434
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Speaker 1: July three is like Will Smith and friends like getting

435
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Speaker 1: cigars and like ready, whoop beat's ass. And it's like

436
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Speaker 1: Jasmine is presumed dead. Ye has is pretty much the

437
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: entire population of l A County. I assume you have family, sir, right, yeah, yeah,

438
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: no one cares. And then when Randy Quaid dies, his

439
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: son is just like I'm so proud of him. It's

440
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Speaker 1: like are you crying? Like why not? I mean that

441
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: was a complicated relationship between father. Yeah, because like most

442
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Speaker 1: of the director's cut is like extension of the Randy

443
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Speaker 1: Quaid plot, and it's like convoluted in because like he

444
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Speaker 1: like that the son is actually his stepson because Randy

445
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Quaid married his mother, so the brother is actually a

446
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Speaker 1: half brother. But I think the oldest is just like

447
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Speaker 1: the only stepson. Mother died at some point. I'm pretty

448
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: sure she's Namive American, and so that's like a whole thing,

449
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: strange amount of details. And so they and then like

450
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Speaker 1: the middle child is has like a medical condition and

451
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: they spend like a long time trying to find meds

452
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Speaker 1: for this kid. Yeah, so agonizingly long. A lot of

453
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Speaker 1: that state. I mean, like the sick kid is still

454
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Speaker 1: there and you're just a puke. He does puke. He's

455
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: definitely sick. I'm like, I don't, are we who is he?

456
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: Like whenever those kids, I know that they're like Randy Quaid's.

457
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: It's just weird how much this movie is just like

458
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: people love Randy Quaid and and they're going to root

459
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: for him no matter what groups say more Quaid, and

460
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Speaker 1: yet there's no time to develop any of the female characters.

461
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Speaker 1: Wild you don't want to die a virgin. I can't

462
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: wait to talk about that. So then Bill Pullman gives

463
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: his famous speech. Will Smith and Jeff Goblin fly off

464
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: into space. They go, They upload the virus to the

465
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: mothership their friends now they're their best friends. The pilots

466
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: fire at Will at the spacecrafts on Earth. Randy Quaid

467
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: sacrifices himself to save everyone, and then the boys come

468
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: back from space and they get the lady folks run

469
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: into their arms and they beat beat yes, and then

470
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Speaker 1: that is the movie. We've got to take a quick break.

471
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Speaker 1: They'll come right back and we're back. Oh man, Okay,

472
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Speaker 1: where to begin. Well, so, lindsay, you did a video

473
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Speaker 1: essay on Independence Day versus War of the Worlds, and

474
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Speaker 1: we're kind of just interested on your take on how

475
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Speaker 1: the this movie Independence Day can kind of only exist

476
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: in the time frame that it came out in and

477
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Speaker 1: just give us a recap, so to speak, of your

478
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Speaker 1: video if if you wouldn't mind, Well, it's it's interesting

479
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: because to jump onto another nineties classic, The Matrix. I

480
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: remember when that movie came out, and part of the

481
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: whole premise of the Matrix is that, like was the

482
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Speaker 1: peak of human civilization before I started declining. And I

483
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: remember at the time thinking that's ridiculous, and in hindsight,

484
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I think there might have been something

485
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: to that, because the nineties was a weird, kind of

486
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Speaker 1: uniquely stable time in world history. And I feel like

487
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: when I put that out, people are like, oh, but

488
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: this thing, but this other thing is like well in

489
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: the in the Grand Scheme, you know, like it was

490
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: between the Berlin Wall goes down and and so a

491
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: result is that the media is um kind of bored

492
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: and really drawn to disaster. And so Independence Day kind

493
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: of fits in like sort of aven diagram of like

494
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: fascination with aliens that was very rather specifically like aliens

495
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: and like American conspiracy theory, like the three biggest examples

496
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Speaker 1: of that being The X Files, Independence Day, and Men Black,

497
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Speaker 1: And it also kind of falls under disaster movies, which

498
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Speaker 1: neither X Files are in black cars, so it's like

499
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Speaker 1: too the biggest like genres dated genres of the nineties,

500
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Speaker 1: and both of those things died when nine eleven happened

501
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: because suddenly conspiracy theories weren't so cute and fun anymore,

502
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: and also nobody wanted to watch disaster movies. It's kind

503
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: of interesting now and how it's like swung way the

504
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: other way, like all the disasters you see on movies,

505
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Speaker 1: and I guess now on television Game of Thrones are

506
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: like they love Boy, they love they love their nine

507
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: leveny imagery. Um, so I think it just it takes

508
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Speaker 1: an approach. Audiences were, of course totally down with at

509
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: the time because it didn't really take this idea of

510
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: international disaster seriously. It's such a fun movie, like you said,

511
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: everyone kind of reacts to this horrible disaster with like

512
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: ready to kick the tires and light the fires. Big Daddy.

513
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: Harry Connick Jr. Drives me fucking crazy and stuff doesn't

514
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: crazy with love, crazy with desires. I was supposed to

515
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: be Matthew Perry original I didn't know this cast, and

516
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: then I don't know. He's like I gotta go the

517
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: worst character and friend instead of the worst character. In

518
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Independent Ferry is almost always the worst part, and I

519
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: like him, but he's the worst part of seventeen again,

520
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: the worst part of a lot of stuff, and that's

521
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: why we love him. It's the worst part of the

522
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: movies that star him. The whole nine yards he was

523
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Speaker 1: on that show that was called go On, but it

524
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: was stylized so it looked like the name of the

525
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: show was a goon that I got canceled after three episodes.

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Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite Matthew Perry failures. Sure. Sure,

527
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: that's a whole other podcast. So I think so there's

528
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Speaker 1: a super producer. Sophie is cracking up on this episode.

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Speaker 1: She likes Matthew Perry, Shade Perry's pitfalls go On. So

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Speaker 1: when we when we do a sociological study of um

531
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Speaker 1: uh yeah. So there's an interesting sort of trend going

532
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Speaker 1: on right now that is is kind of in its twilight.

533
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: But this is this is true like any twenty year cycle,

534
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like you'll have twenty year cycles

535
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Speaker 1: that appeal to cirtain certain age groups and thirty year

536
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: cycles that appeal to others. So that's why there's like

537
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: an interesting sort of like parallel right now with nineties

538
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: nostalgia and remix and eighties nostalgia and aesthetic. Like I

539
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: think the two biggest phraightes nostalgia right now, or it's

540
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: the franchise and Stranger Things, um, but with nineties nostalgia,

541
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: it'll be like remakes or reboots of nineties things. And

542
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: boy does the ones like Men in Black Internationals coming

543
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: out like or came out already. That was a movie

544
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: that happened. It sure didn't see it. Uh. And Independence

545
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Day Resurgent came out in two thousand six or SI

546
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: and Uh, the X Files reboot was also a thing

547
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: that happened. But I wish we could talk about Ben

548
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: in Black International and how it did if we had

549
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: the time. It's interesting that, like, you know, Independence Day Resurgence,

550
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: it was too different from the old one because it

551
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: couldn't piggyback off of the you know, conspiracy theory Americana

552
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: that it was written around. And X Files didn't know

553
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: what to do with the way conspiracy theories are now

554
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: part of the culture and how you know, in both

555
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: movies are extremely um naive. I would honestly say borderline

556
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: I responsible, especially the X Files because Roland Demrick has

557
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: this really interesting preoccupation with conspiracy theory because I genuinely

558
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: think he doesn't believe it, but I don't think he

559
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: understands that a lot of people do. So so yeah,

560
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's interesting. It's sort of like as a

561
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Speaker 1: as a as a study, like an anthropological case study

562
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: of a time in history that you know, it's just

563
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: we can't ever go back. Yeah, I mean a lot

564
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: of the movies we cover on the podcast we you know,

565
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: talk about how they are very much a product of

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Speaker 1: the time that they come out in, because you know,

567
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: they will be just ripe with homophobious, sexism, all all

568
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: manner of problematic things that you know, we in are like,

569
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Speaker 1: oh my god, how was that ever okay? And not

570
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: that it ever was, but you know, culturally we were

571
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: in a different space ten years ago, twenty years ago,

572
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: on and on. But yes, this is this movie is

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Speaker 1: kind of a product of its time in a different

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Speaker 1: way than we normally discuss. But there are still somethings.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty to talk. I mean, it is like it's weird,

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Speaker 1: Like it was like genuinely jarring. As much as I

577
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: enjoyed this movie, but it's like a little bit jarring

578
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: in some way to see a disaster movie with such

579
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Speaker 1: like an optimistic tilt, like you don't really ever like

580
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: there are moments, but you don't really ever see anyone

581
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Speaker 1: on earth consider that they will lose like well, I mean,

582
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: that's such part of this just this American ness, because

583
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: it's an American story filtered through the lens of a

584
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Speaker 1: German who was raised very wealthy, so he he is

585
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: the essence of privilege. Which is interesting because like Roland

586
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: Imerick was at the time pretty much the only out

587
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: gay director, like Brian Singer wasn't out yet, and plus

588
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: he wasn't really famous yet because you know, usual Suspects

589
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: had just come out. Double check that, um. But it's

590
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: it's like going through that filter is very interesting because

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00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't, I don't know if an American

592
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: would be shameless enough to make a movie like this,

593
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: but Americans really reacted to it positively in a way

594
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: that like Roland was never able to Land was never

595
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: able to recapture that level of success even though he's

596
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: basically been grandfathered into you can make whatever movie you

597
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: want until now I think he's finally lost that. But

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Speaker 1: it is like the perfect moment of just like USA

599
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Speaker 1: U s A. There's so many moments here that I

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Speaker 1: feel like you could show that same clip and put

601
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: it in a movie from and it would be like

602
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: a jokey thing or a sinister thing to see someone

603
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Speaker 1: like like a group of mostly white dudes going like USA,

604
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Speaker 1: U s A. That's scary to people now there, like

605
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: this is like the peak of them, or it would

606
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: be a very different for a different crowd. Like I

607
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: could see a really conservative tilting movie do that. But

608
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: I think like this movie because like you know, Roland

609
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: is liberal Hollywood liberal. But like I think that this

610
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: movie is made for made for democrats. Let's put it

611
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: that way. It's a movie for democrats. I got the

612
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Clinton's in office basically, they just they only they don't

613
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: like him because he's too he's too hot to cool.

614
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: He all but like cool. He puts a saxophone too much,

615
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: he all but pulled out too many times. It was

616
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean, but this movie was seventy five million budget,

617
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: eight hundred seventeen million box office because it's great. It

618
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: was very success. It was the number I think it

619
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Speaker 1: was the number one movie of the year. It was

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Speaker 1: one or two. Surprised me. Also, just a stray observation

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Speaker 1: about disaster movies. Before nine eleven their orange. After nine eleven,

622
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: they're blue. Yeah, they're very gray. Yeah, because again like

623
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Speaker 1: with with Game of Thrones as an example, where we

624
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: got eleven that color palette never let up until the

625
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: threat was stabbed. But yeah, it's just it's just like

626
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Speaker 1: I think there's something about just like the suppressive palette,

627
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: like the sort of blue gray that before nine eleven

628
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: was mostly associated with, like you know, holocaust movies, and

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Speaker 1: even after eleven, like there there was something just like

630
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Speaker 1: this very like Russian work camp, prisoner of war, like

631
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Speaker 1: we saw that in the like The Pianist had a

632
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: very blue color palette, even the beginning of X Men,

633
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Speaker 1: first X Men movie. But it's just like it's the

634
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: blue plus the haze, you know, is like there's so

635
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: many examples like Avengers, One Man of Steel, a lot

636
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: of Game of Thrones Endgame kind of did it game

637
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: was kind of purple. Yeah, like a purple haze. Sanos

638
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: was there and he was very purple. He just hit

639
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: her baby. Okay, So let's talk about the women in

640
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: the movie. Schallouive so many his wives, so this is

641
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: a huge wife that's a speaking of product of its time.

642
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: Like think that's another thing that people just didn't really

643
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: bat an eye at, which is there's no women in

644
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: leadership positions. There's like none of them contribute anything valuable

645
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: to the plot. None of them come up with any idea.

646
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: I guess the closest is Vividate a fox taking the

647
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: initiative to drive a truck people anyway, Um, and you know,

648
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: that's just something that you would never see in like

649
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I think even in two thousand five with Four of

650
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: the World, it felt a little off that there that

651
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: the girl child was just so helpless and never like

652
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: grew or learned anything. Like even even then it felt

653
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: a little like I was suppresed. There weren't even like

654
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: any like Mary Sue moments in this movie. I'm like, oh,

655
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: someone's going to be able to like do because you

656
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: are presented with two female characters that have the illusion

657
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: of power. You've got the first lady who is like

658
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: this Hillary Clinton cipher. So it's like, okay, maybe she

659
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: might be doing something. No, uh, then we have what's

660
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: her name? The character's name is Connie, the Press secretary,

661
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: the Press secretary, and it seems like, oh, she's in

662
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: a position of power. Perhaps she will impact the plot

663
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: at some point. But then the twist is she's Jefical

664
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Bloom's wife. Yes, yes, exactly, because there, yeah, she wanted

665
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: to be a career girl and he was like, but

666
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: I love And then in the end she realizes actually

667
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: she think he was right now too, She's like, yeah,

668
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: I definitely want to talk about that conversation enough. But yeah,

669
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: so we meet. We meet three main female characters in

670
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: this story, and they are all introduced in the context

671
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: of them being the romantic partner of one of the

672
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: important male characters. Um, we don't know that Connie is

673
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: romantic partner until about a half hour in, right, because

674
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: then we can all breathe a sigh of really, she's

675
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: not a single woman over thirty. Thank god, we were

676
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: so worried. Yes, So they all end up being just

677
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: there to basically further characterize the male characters who they

678
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: are romantically linked to in some way. Yeah, right, because

679
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh Connie, Okay, well I didn't even

680
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: first I didn't. I don't think they name what her

681
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: job is. So they did pretty early, do they? Okay,

682
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: she goes, I mean it's another one of those like

683
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: there is a lot of dialogue and a lot of quick,

684
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: quick exchanges and it's very blank and you'll miss it. Someone. Yeah,

685
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: someone does say like, like, you're the press secretary, this

686
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: is your job? You know? Okay, we we know her job,

687
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: we see that she's a woman in politics. She seems important, right,

688
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: like you said. But then the respect of hot president.

689
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: They have that fun exchange about how he's hot. We

690
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: can't say it enough. But then as soon as we

691
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: find out that she is the ex wife of Jeff

692
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Goldblum's character, she does nothing in the story except for

693
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: like hold his hand and like look longingly at him.

694
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: He realized the meaning of love. They realized that, you know,

695
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: the world is burning, and you know they should have

696
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: valued each other. But now they have this second chance

697
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: because they didn't explode into bull of fire. I don't

698
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: know if I'm more frustrated by Connie or by the

699
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: first lady, because both of them are just like you

700
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: start out with, like, you know, at least the feeling

701
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: of like, oh, there's some potential here. They could do something,

702
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: And then it's just the male characters in their lives

703
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: just slowly sapped them of their agency until they either

704
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: die or retire. Um, there's no government anymore. They don't

705
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: need a press secretary. They blew up the White House.

706
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: Where is there to do government at way? Starting jewelry company,

707
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: start etty store, and she and Jeff called bloom Will,

708
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, build a cable company together. So then

709
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: pretty early on Will Smith's character and his girlfriend Jasmine

710
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: are separated physically. Uh, and we kind of waited Jasmine

711
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: more than I thought we would. I figured, like we

712
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: would just kind of forget about her, she wouldn't be

713
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: a character. Yeah, because it's like to give this movie

714
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: some like small ribbons. You know, Roland likes to I

715
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: don't know if he's overstating it, but like he he

716
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: would talk about how he had to fight the studio

717
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: to get Will Smith cast because, um, you know, Captain

718
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: Hiller is probably you know, the closest thing to a

719
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: main character, and like they really didn't like the idea

720
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: of a black lead. I'm not surprised, and it was

721
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: not bankable, and especially combining that with the fact that,

722
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, Jasmine probably has more screen time than even Connie,

723
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: so she probably has like she's like the most fleshed

724
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: out female character in the movie. She probably has the

725
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: most screen time of all the women, so you know,

726
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: and it's just like, well, for a woman of color

727
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: to get a bigg ish part in like, you know,

728
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: the biggest movie of the year, it's like, okay, you're

729
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: you're a gold star, you're one, You're one who And

730
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: then one of the other main characters is identifiably Jewish

731
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: and that I feel like it's a pretty it looked

732
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: like a wheel. Yeah, judge her good sport. Yeah, I'm

733
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: talking about Jeff Golbo. But representation win. Representation win, I

734
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: mean is like you can there's sort of like the

735
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: iffy optics of a German Man writing this character, and

736
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: it's like, sure, sir, where do you stand? Okay, getting

737
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: back to Jasmine, she is she is, like I mean,

738
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: she's my favorite female character, mostly because we knew more

739
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: about her and we saw her more than any other

740
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: female character. We find out that she is a stripper,

741
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: so we find out what her job is. Again, it's

742
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: like kind of weird optics on that too, where I

743
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, like, we get these two rich

744
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: white ladies in these fancy white lady jobs and then

745
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: the only woman of color is a strip so the

746
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: optics there are, and we contrived a way to get

747
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: her in her like stripper outfit, her Las Vegas show

748
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: girl stripper out I was like this club, Yeah, it's

749
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: like that's like a samba outfit. She even explains how

750
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: like that is just sort of forced into the movie.

751
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: She was like, I just showed up to work to

752
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: get my paycheck and they made check, and like it's

753
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: just like we had to this gratuitous who is who

754
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: is coming into the strip club on the day of

755
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: the alien invasion? Why is anyone at work? Like whatever?

756
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: Like Mario, who's the guy who owns the club? Mario

757
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: is still yelling at her. She also did bring her

758
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: child and her dog to the strip club, but she

759
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't get a sitter. Yeah that' said. Okay, So even

760
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: though the optics on that are like funky and questionable,

761
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: at least they do not you know, like the they

762
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: don't use it as an excuse to degrade her. She

763
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: like advocates for herself when Hillary Clinton's like, oh, I'm sorry,

764
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: you're a sex worker, and She's like, no, I'm not sorry.

765
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: It's like that's how I make Like I make money,

766
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: and like I do it for my son, who is

767
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: worth it, Like yeah, it's there's no like, well, one

768
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: day I won't have to do this, you know. It's

769
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I'm fine with it. It's it's cool.

770
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: They have their sex positive conversation. It ends with Hillary

771
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Clinton being like, maybe it is cool, hadn't thought of

772
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: it anyways, internally bleeding to death. Thanks for talking to

773
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: me in my last moment. Kind of fun that that

774
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: was her final lesson. She's like, man in life, I

775
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: should have respected sex workers more. Anyways, I mean, at

776
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: least it's just like, well, if a woman had to

777
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: get fridged, at least it's not the woman of color,

778
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: that's true. That's like an old star representation win maybe.

779
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: But then we have Harry Connick Jr. Telling Steve Hiller, Oh,

780
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: you're never going to get to fly a spaceship if

781
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: you marry a stripper because Will Smith is trying to

782
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: be in NASA, and Harry Connick Jrs. Like, don't marry

783
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: a stripper? An arbitrary? I know? To me, it makes

784
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: perfect sense. That makes one million sense to me. Yeah, yeah,

785
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: just like the optics of astronauts are. I actually I

786
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: just met an astronaut over the weekend. Uh. The people

787
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: they select to be astronauts have to be perfect on

788
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: so many levels, Like not only are they like, you know,

789
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: incredibly like extroverted and charismatic, they also like all of

790
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: them have like the perfect nuclear family. So I think

791
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: it is, yeah, the the you know, because like right

792
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: now they're prepping up for a crew dragon as SpaceX,

793
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: and you know, whenever they talk to the people who

794
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: work at SpaceX, they always like whiplicked to play up that, like, well,

795
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to come home to my children. Boy.

796
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: I sure do you have children? Boy? And have children?

797
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: Please don't blow us up. So yeah, I think I

798
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: think I think that it's just like as as silly

799
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: as it is, I think it's like, yeah, that that

800
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: would absolutely be a concern. Sure. But also Harry Conna

801
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: Junior's character sucks so fucking He's like imitating Jesse Jackson

802
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: at one point because he has the role normally of

803
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: the like goofy black friend who dies. So it's like

804
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: and he's doing that voice. It's like so bizarre. Yeah,

805
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it's almost like they that for a

806
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: black guy Will Smith, and then they reversed the part.

807
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: I think Cass Matthew Perry before your Econic right, so

808
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: like it was always intended for an annoying white guy.

809
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: It's so weird. I don't know Harry Conny Junior's performances

810
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: we've got to take up. We must take a break

811
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: from Harry Connick Jr. And then we will come right back.

812
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: We're kind of wrapping up the discussion on Jasmine, where

813
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: it's like there's a there's a lot, there's pros, there's cons.

814
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: She kicks down the door. She kicks down the door

815
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: because women went in action movie must kick something. At

816
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: some point she has she's like, you know, de nearest,

817
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: she's the unburnt. Yeah, we're just kiddy. She manages to

818
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: survive that closet. It's heat resistant, don't worry, But there

819
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: is there is like another kind of she is a

820
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: caretaker and a motherly role. For the majority of the movie,

821
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: we do get to know what her job as we

822
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: do get to see her talk about herself and advocate

823
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: for herself, but she is protecting her child. Not to

824
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: say that she shouldn't, but she is kind of put

825
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: into that maternal role and then also uh starts to

826
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: rescue people and then also briefly kind of becomes Hillary

827
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: Clinton's mommy nurse. So I mean, there's nothing like inherently wrong,

828
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing wrong with being a good parent, right,

829
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: But I think one thing you like, I think that's

830
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: only kind of very recently started to change. Is like

831
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: when you have action movies and disaster movies, men's narratives

832
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: tend to be we are here to solve the problem

833
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: and fight the problem. Women's narratives tend to be survival narratives.

834
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: And I think hers is you know, kind of like

835
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: the horror version of that where it's like during the

836
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: you know, disaster, she is the face of humanity who

837
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: had to endure it, and she then has to survive

838
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: until she is rescued by Will Smith. Um, so yeah,

839
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: you see, you see that a lot like you know,

840
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: like Hunger Games is you know prime like is the

841
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: first one is a survival narrative. An they're like, weird

842
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: thing about this movie that I don't know. I see

843
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: a movie like this and I don't expect to see

844
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: great fathering, but there's pretty much like everyone is a

845
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: good parent in the movie Hot President and a good parent.

846
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton is a good parent, Vivica A. Fox is

847
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: a good parent. Will Smith is a great step dad.

848
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: Even Randy Quaid, you know, he's doing his best and

849
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: probably lay off the sauce, but sick kid gets his medicine.

850
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: Judd Hirsch is like, don't get off the cold floor,

851
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: and he thinks that the idea for the computer virus.

852
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: So it's like like the fathers and the mothers are

853
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: are parenting equally well, but the you know, fathers get

854
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: to go off and do cool ship and right, whereas

855
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: the mother. Yeah. So that's that's the my favorite shot

856
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: of the movie, because I have all of them are.

857
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: My favorite shot of the movie is where after the

858
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: aliens are beat and you know, Robert Loggi goes, we

859
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: got him beat Tom, and then he goes, how about

860
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: our boys? Are they back yet? And then in the

861
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: background you see vivid a Fox and Connie like step

862
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: into the frame and be like, yeah, for boys are back.

863
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: Just yeah, they're they're completely just sidelined for the I

864
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: mean whatever act three. Jeff Bull, Yeah, well I do

865
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: say you better come back right, yeah, because they both

866
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: say it like in their own and Connie goes, why

867
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: does it have to be you? Why can't some other

868
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: like human sacrifice go And then the boys come back

869
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: and then the two women run towards them, and then

870
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: the kids looks not like she's just been through the

871
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: end of the world. Another thing I want to say

872
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: about her character is and I'm curious what everyone thinks

873
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: about this, but she is the only one who seems

874
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: to voice any concern about the impending alien invasion. She's like,

875
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about this, and then Will Smith

876
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: is like, well, they didn't find ninety billion light years

877
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: just to like kill us all, and it's like, of

878
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: course they did, Like I mean, they might be asking

879
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: for help. Maybe could be like it could be like

880
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: an Octavia Butler's lil It's Browed trilogy where just like

881
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: we need some genetic diversity. Randy Quaid, you're looking pretty.

882
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: There is a moment during the and this is just

883
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: like maybe laugh when Will Smith is like leaving um

884
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: and then there's something, you know, apocalyptic happening in the distance,

885
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: like a fox runs out to him. She's like honey, honey, honey,

886
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: and like doesn't notice the apocalypse until Will Smith says, look,

887
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: how this could you not see it? Yeah? I had

888
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: someone on because I was like, where is this? Because

889
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: this is obviously a place and that exists in the

890
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: real world, and so I'm like, you know it is

891
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: because the magic of Twitter. Someone like within five minutes

892
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: was like, here's the address. It's in Glendale. What a

893
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: great gallery in Glendale. So the point is, so Will

894
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: Smith drove from Glendale to Orange County like kind of

895
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: the south part of Orange County. I mean it makes

896
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: sense because Jasmine has to go through downtown l A

897
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: to get to El Toro. So that's why I mean,

898
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: so it kind of makes sense that she had she

899
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: works in downtown l A. She had to get her

900
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: paycheck and then she got talked into work and so

901
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: she was on her way. But I think, like everybody's

902
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: like getting out, and I feel like it needs it

903
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: must needs be remarked. President Hottie is not a good president.

904
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: He is quite bad at the presidenting. Like his first

905
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe let's not evacuate the city's like, yeah,

906
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: he's too busy. Why does he fraid he's going to

907
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: offend the aliens? I think he's secretly like, okay, let's

908
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: alien nuke the states that don't vote for me. Yeah,

909
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: And I'm just like I have some like and Jeff Goldbloom,

910
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: come on, even if they knu every single alien ship

911
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: that would not cause nuclear winter? Do you know how

912
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: many nuclear tests there have been, Jeff Goldbloom, It's been

913
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: um so anyway, So Jasmine is like, hey, I think

914
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: there might be something bad. I have a bad feeling

915
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: about these ominous alien ships that are hovering over every

916
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: major city in the world. So I'm wondering it is like,

917
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: does that is that kind of playing to the trope

918
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: of like a woman's intuition kind of thing where like

919
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: think she's the only person looking at the gigantic doom machine.

920
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's be real, like black people do

921
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: tend to have a better self preservation instinct, so I

922
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: think it's like speaking to that truth of like all

923
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: the white people are like, you know, they're probably here

924
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: at a party. But then says that too, and he's

925
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: like he's a guy, you know. Yeah. I mean it's

926
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad that someone said it, because it is very

927
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: weird to be like people seem remarkably unconcerned nineties. They're

928
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, the aliens are here. I love et.

929
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: So I guess it's good that like we see like

930
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: the one person who like voices any sort of concern

931
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: and ends up being right about it is a woman.

932
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: On the other hand, there is Mary, his wife whitmore

933
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: a k Hillary Clinton and her she's away. Do we

934
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: know what she's doing. She's away on first Lady business.

935
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: She's like doing first Lady stuff at l A. Right,

936
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: So she's she's away and she's you know, talking to

937
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: hottie president and he's like, hey, I think, like, babe,

938
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: I think the world might be like ending, so you

939
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: should come home, and she's like, no, I I have

940
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: to finish doing this, which is like dumb, but whatever.

941
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: She said no to her husband. Fine, but there is

942
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: a gold star. But then but then she is later

943
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: unished for that decision because she dies because she didn't

944
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: leave when he told her to. She does end up dying,

945
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: and in her with her dying breath and it's just like, oh,

946
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: like all right, with her dying breath. She apologizes to

947
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: her husband for not coming home when he said she

948
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: shut up and that you know, if only she had

949
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: listened to her husband, she would she wouldn't have died,

950
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: an amazing lesson, and her her last word is liar. Yeah,

951
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: like they he's just like kind of one of those

952
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: things where it's like it is it is difficult to write,

953
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: like in jokey banter between two characters because it's like

954
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to translate, but they're weird like relationship. And

955
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: joke is he'll like say an obvious lie and she'll

956
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: go liar. And the first time they do that is

957
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: when he wakes up and she calls him and he's

958
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: like he's got his daughter in bed with him, and

959
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: he's like, I have a confession to make. I'm lying

960
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: next to a beautiful brunette and I'm like, weird, Yeah,

961
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: it's weird joke to make president your child. Yeah, And

962
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: she's you know, she's like and there was the other one,

963
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: like he'd say like an obviously and she'd go liar.

964
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: And like the last little in jokey banter they do

965
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: is him going the doctors think you're gonna be fine,

966
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: a horrible thing to say, you're dying like blood purple

967
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: song out of her esophagus. And also no one is like,

968
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: no one is worried enough about little May Whitman. Like

969
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: she gets a hug from her dad. I'm like, doesn't

970
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: I really understand what's going on? Because the next day sleeping, Yeah,

971
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: she's asleep. And now it's the more the July and

972
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: there's you know, alien arms around fire and we're smiling,

973
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: like the two children. Vivica a Fox's son and May

974
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: Whitman like when they're hiding in the bunker and like

975
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: it's like I love nineties movies because like children do

976
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: not act like children where they're just like quietly sitting

977
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: while chaos us is erupting around the people are screaming.

978
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: And the little boy says to her, are you scared?

979
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: And she quietly nods and goes and he goes, me too,

980
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: cut carnage outside, liar, And she shakes her head and

981
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: he goes, liar, like your kids, you're crazy. Can we

982
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: talk about the conversation between David Levinson a K. Jeff

983
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: Goldbloom and Connie, the Press secretary where they talk about

984
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: the first time they're on screen together. They're talking about

985
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: a fight that David and the president got into where

986
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: David punched him in the face because he thought his

987
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: wife was having an affair with Whitmore so you know

988
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't, but she did later but right or something.

989
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm doing it. I'm presidents in an

990
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: open marriage. They're cool with it, liar, h. So that's

991
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: a fun thing that happens. And then they have this

992
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: conversation about her career when they're an area fifty one.

993
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: She is talking about working in the White House and

994
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: how the president is a good man. Oh yeah, he's

995
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: he's getting drunk or through them the scene, she's like,

996
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: the president is a good man, and he says he'd

997
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: better be. You left me for him, or you know

998
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: your career, and she says, you know, it wasn't just

999
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: my career. It was the biggest opportunity of my life.

1000
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: I wanted my life to make a difference. I wanted

1001
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: my life to mean something. And then he says, and

1002
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't ambitious enough for you. And then they started

1003
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: talking about him and how smart he is, but how

1004
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: unambitious he is, which he's like just every redditor like

1005
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm a secret I'm a secret genius. Or it's just

1006
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: like you know what I could be really like successful,

1007
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a genius. Who's lazy. I'm just lazy.

1008
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm just too tired. Right, And it's like he refused

1009
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: an underachiever. He apparently refused to correct that problem, and

1010
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: so she left him, like right, well, it's just like

1011
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: he just would not move for hers. What it seems

1012
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: like he just seems comfortable in his rut in New

1013
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: York being a you know, engineer at Comcast or whatever.

1014
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: I love that male narrative of just like, well I

1015
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: am smart enough to do something like better, but I'm

1016
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: not going to. But you know I could. I just

1017
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: haven't been presented with the correct opportunity like an alien

1018
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: apocalyptic invasion. Yeah, now's my chance and see babe. But like,

1019
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: I feel like this could have been a much more

1020
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: interesting conversation about like how he resents her career ambitions

1021
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: because of his like fragile male ego, which is something

1022
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: that happens in a lot of you know, hetero couples.

1023
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: And then she could like call him out for not

1024
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 1: respecting her and her agency and all that stuff, which

1025
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: is where it seems like the conversation is headed. But

1026
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: then they just end up talking about what a genius

1027
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: he is, and then it ends with her saying I

1028
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: never stopped loving you, and then that's the beginning of

1029
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: their romance. Rekind was enough? Was it? It reminds me

1030
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: of like the like Michael Bay does the mean version

1031
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: of this a lot like Transformers one, which steals a

1032
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: lot from Independence Day Um also kind of steals that

1033
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: narrative of like a guy who's like a slacker and

1034
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: useless that you know, given the opportunity, can um rise

1035
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: above and you know, be the successful boy. But I

1036
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: think the thing is like with you know, a character

1037
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: like Sam with Wicky, he is absolutely meant to be

1038
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 1: like the Cipher, he is the self insert character um.

1039
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: And I think there's a reason why the the you know,

1040
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: these movies are always written like this, like it is

1041
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: basically you know, meant to appease the way men see themselves.

1042
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: You know, that is reflective media, where media reinforces a

1043
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: societal norm. You know, people internalize that, and therefore media

1044
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: is created that you know, is sympathetic to like this

1045
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: particular worldview and back and forth and then like that,

1046
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: just the cycle continues. So I think you know that

1047
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: of course, that that that conversation was never ever going

1048
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: to challenge him, because it, you know, was meant to

1049
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: validate that that self image of I'm just a secret genius,

1050
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm just lazy. You're the problem because you don't see

1051
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: my secret genius and like you wanted too much for yourself.

1052
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: And also just like equating, like it couldn't just be

1053
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: that she wanted a career. It had to have also

1054
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: have been another man. Yeah, he's like, oh, your work

1055
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: for the president, so you must be fucking the president,

1056
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: which I mean with Bill Clinton. I mean maybe Jeff

1057
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: gold just not a very good He's not a very

1058
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: good partner. I know. It's jealous of her job and

1059
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: of her being in the same room with other men,

1060
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: and like she's like in politics, most of the people

1061
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: she's going to be in the same room with they're

1062
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna be men. Maybe, and he just like he maybe

1063
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: you just knew that about himself. He couldn't deal with it.

1064
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: And like the Jeff Goldblum character just kind of speaking

1065
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: to what you're saying about, like reinforcing how men see themselves.

1066
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: It I feel like it even goes a step further

1067
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: because it's not just saying like, oh, like there's a

1068
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: large amount of men who you know, feel that they

1069
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: are secretly capable of more than the opportunities that they're

1070
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: given and they're angry about it. But in Jeff Goldblum's case,

1071
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: they make they also make that true and so everyone

1072
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: around him is like, you are a genius, like because

1073
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: it's like you need to be, you know, presented with

1074
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: extraordinary circumstance in order to realize your potential, and it's

1075
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: as it's a very appealing narrative. And I think it's

1076
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: like it tends to star men because they know tend

1077
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: to need the most validation, but also like I think

1078
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, male audiences are going to

1079
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: respond a lot more strongly to this idea of like

1080
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm a secret genius than women are. As why you

1081
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: never really see like women characters that are just like

1082
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm just a shlub until like until because they, like

1083
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: women have to, they start hyper competent and good at something,

1084
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: and then they get more hyper competent. And I was

1085
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: like Captain Marvel or Catanists or every female Marvel character. Yes,

1086
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: it's fortunately all men are secret geniuses. You're all very smart.

1087
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: The same thing kind of applies to the president, where

1088
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: in the beginning it set up the public thinks that

1089
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: he's a whimp, he's not like the fierce leader that

1090
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: Americans thought they elected, and then he redeems himself by

1091
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: going into battle as like a fighter pilot, as a

1092
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: soldier to fight off the alien invaders. So it's like

1093
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: the idea of like a man showing his worth by

1094
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: like being a warrior, a protector, like that's how men.

1095
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: That's how men show how awesome they are and that

1096
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: they're not whims. And I mean it probably got him

1097
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: re elected in the upcoming election because he's anymore. I

1098
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: think it's like it immediately descends into fascism, yeah, because

1099
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's like alien survivors, there's alien Guantanamo Bay.

1100
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: It's you know, and it's very controversial because it's just like, well,

1101
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: should we treat them the way they treated us? And

1102
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: then it's like in District what was it? It's like that,

1103
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: but worse, like there's torture. They try to hide it.

1104
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: It's District nine, just like July five in the World

1105
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: of Independence Day. I feel like if this movie extended

1106
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: to July fifth, Yeah, it would get very dark for

1107
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: quickly because then May Whitman needs to learn that her mother.

1108
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: Everybody's pushing aliens in the head, right, it's just going

1109
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: to be a disaster. Yeah, But you know, it's funny

1110
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: because like it depended day resurgence. It was It's like, uh,

1111
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: I guess it took a very humanity after the Black

1112
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: Plague approach to rebuilding because everything's great, We've got all

1113
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: this technology, world peace achieved. You know when like you're

1114
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: just like we were built really well, everything's great. Um,

1115
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: Hong Kong's looking pretty nice. I have I have a

1116
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: question for the table. Do you think yes or no

1117
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: that this movie was approved of and partially funded by

1118
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: the Pentagon. It absolutely was not. It was not I

1119
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: would have guessed though, Yes, I guess that it was.

1120
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: And then I did some researches because we've talked like

1121
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: briefly in the Transformers episode and I think also in

1122
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: the Rock of just like movies that were signed off on,

1123
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean the Transformers, the entire I mean you know, so,

1124
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean like here's the thing. It's like, yeah, it's

1125
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: it's actually really hard to get numbers on this sort

1126
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: of thing because like for the Pentagon it's classified, and

1127
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: for Hollywood they don't have to open their books. So

1128
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: it's like from project to project, you don't know what

1129
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: the subsidy looked like, but you can you can tell

1130
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: that it's probably a lot more sizeable if there's actually

1131
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: a tie in ad campaign like Man of Steel had

1132
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: that and Captain Marvel had that. Yeah, Captain Marvel is

1133
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: like one of the more recent movies that it majorly

1134
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: promotes the Air Force um, like, I mean, it goes

1135
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: back to like after Top Gun came out, like Enlistment

1136
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: went way the funk up every Transformers movie, a couple

1137
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: Marvel movies, not all of them, like Winter Soldier, Iron

1138
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: Man one and two, but not the Avengers because I

1139
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: guess the no, they didn't. Actually Avengers got shot down

1140
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: for a pretty similar reason that Independence Day got shot down,

1141
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: which was they didn't like the shadowy cabal of the

1142
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: Powers that Be in the Avengers that were like giving

1143
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: secret orders to Shield. That's what they didn't like. And

1144
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: in the Independence Day they didn't like Area fifty one

1145
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: other thing that they didn't like about Independence Day that

1146
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: I found because it's it's I mean again, it is

1147
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: hard to find details, but it seems to kind of

1148
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: come down to this one guy, Phil Strub. Until like

1149
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: Phil Strub, he does not even his job anymore. He

1150
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: was removed at the end of last year. And oh

1151
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: he was he was there for like the entire eight Yeah,

1152
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: he was there for like almost thirty five years. Yeah,

1153
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: I went in a phil Strub hole. Yeah. Fil Strub

1154
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: is interesting because he's like he's like the shadow man

1155
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: that like no one can get an interview with him.

1156
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: He is like so he for for our listeners, he

1157
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: is like the connection between Hollywood and depending on the military,

1158
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: like any movie that receives their seal of approval have

1159
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: to go through him directly. And it was like that

1160
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: since possibly like it's like the eighties, and it was

1161
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: the eighties, like early eighties, like top Gun was definitely

1162
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: in there all the way up until the end of

1163
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: eighteen and there was never a press release. But he's

1164
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: no longer in that position as someone else had no idea.

1165
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: It's confusing, but he so one of the reasons given

1166
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: for Independence Day, and it's like again, he will never

1167
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: state this, but I guess that Will Smith's Navy pilot

1168
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: dating a stripper was a problem for the Pentagon as well.

1169
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: You're right, yea, So yeah, so this movie did not

1170
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: get the Pentagon Salver approval and I guess as a result,

1171
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: like had to develop effects even better because they didn't

1172
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: have any really assistance, So there was some special effects

1173
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: that so more of the story, Uh, feminist icon the Pentagon,

1174
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: and I mean this, I feel like this movie does

1175
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: do a fair amount to like normalize sex work and

1176
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: stripping more than a lot of movies we have seen,

1177
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: which we'll just have a scene that takes place in

1178
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: a strip club for no reason and then they're just

1179
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: like naked women there as scenery. So at least we

1180
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: don't you know, at least it goes a few steps

1181
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: beyond that. And to roll in Emeric's credit, you can

1182
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: kind of tell the movie wasn't directed by a straight guy, right,

1183
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like he clearly the camera clearly

1184
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: has no just in Jasmine sexually like he like he

1185
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 1: thinks she's pretty, but like the camera never leers on her,

1186
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: like if you can again compared like the obvious comparison

1187
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: being Michael Bay, but like they like there's never any

1188
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: leering shots that are like objectifying or fetishizing, like she's

1189
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: always very human the first time you see her, she's

1190
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: like fully clothed and plaid and has a ponytail, like

1191
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: and that the one stripping seems a very very short,

1192
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: very show girly Yahd's like the way it's shot is

1193
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: just like you know, like, yeah, I like women, Yes,

1194
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: I like yeah, looks good, like just it feels a

1195
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: little like I I respect with like I don't really

1196
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: know how to make a woman look sexy because I

1197
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: don't really want that. But like a lesser director probably

1198
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: would have like been like, oh, we're not going to

1199
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: get Penticon money if we leave a stripper narrative in

1200
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: because it could technically be removed from the story and

1201
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: not affect that much, um which you know, does that

1202
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: speak to how much the women affect the blo Yes,

1203
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: But it's like I thought it was like cool that

1204
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: he didn't cut it, even though that was one of

1205
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: the reasons given. But she's positive, she's she's here to

1206
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: normalize sex work to Hillary Clinton, she showed her a

1207
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: thing or two about a thing or two with your assumptions.

1208
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: I make good money. I own a house in Glendale. Yeah,

1209
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm not a ballerina. I'm like, I can't have heard

1210
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: a house in Glenda. Let's say, who can? This is

1211
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: such This is such a like an Americ centric movie

1212
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: for being directed by a German guy because his follow

1213
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: up was The Patriot. Oh yeah, Stroland has an interesting

1214
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: an interesting I think it was The Patriot and it

1215
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 1: was either Godzilla or The Patriot. Actually think Godzilla was

1216
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: next in The Patriot came after that, right, But yeah,

1217
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: he has an interesting filmography. But it's just like all

1218
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: the people in the movie who were like the most capable,

1219
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: the ones who were going to figure out how to

1220
01:10:54,240 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: crack this alien problem are all in America and everyone

1221
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: else in the rest of the world was just like

1222
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:07,440
Speaker 1: sitting around twiddling their thimbs like a bloody time. Best

1223
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: scene ever, he's also the Day After Tomorrow, right, that's

1224
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: him to the other best movie. He loves a disaster,

1225
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: loves a disaster because that was when he was like

1226
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: trying because I think that's like her post nine eleven Roland.

1227
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, where he's like I'm going to use

1228
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: my you know, disaster movie powers to make money, which, again,

1229
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: to Roland's credit, he's like one of the few was

1230
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: one of the few people people keeping non franchise films

1231
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: alive because you know, you think of like the biggest

1232
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: grossing movie in being Independence Day. You know that would

1233
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: never happen now ever, ever, ever, But yeah, because like

1234
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, back when, so like Day After Tomorrow him

1235
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: trying to like I'm going to make a point and

1236
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to make people take this seriously, and I

1237
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: think it probably had the opposite of what a goofy

1238
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: that's like a chillen Hall Emmy Rossa, and it kind

1239
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: of does the same thing with like President Dick Cheney

1240
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: at the end where it's just like he's trying to

1241
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: be sympathetic because the Power that be and give them

1242
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. Loved that where they was

1243
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: like all the Americans like breaking into Mexico on right?

1244
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: Is Dennis Dennis Quaid, isn't that movie? Yes, speaking of

1245
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: a quake, I wanna stay just a little bit about

1246
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: Randy Quaid's kids. Yes, Oh, yes, so that we learned

1247
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: in the back story that there's no mom because I

1248
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: feel like all the moms are dead or die in

1249
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: this movie for the most part. Yeah, exactly, because Jeff

1250
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: Goldblum's mom is dead and then the first lady also dies. Um.

1251
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: So Randy Quaid has two sons and a daughter. The

1252
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: sons get to talk a lot when we see them,

1253
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, they're in the scene there in the foreground,

1254
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: whereas like the daughter hardly says anything. She's usually in

1255
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: the background. The one scene where she is the focus,

1256
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: she is with a boy who is trying to convince

1257
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 1: her to have sex with him, to lose her virginity

1258
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: with him, and then her brother comes in and He's like,

1259
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: come on, we gotta go, and she's like, I'm not

1260
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: going anywhere, and then her brother yanks her away. That

1261
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 1: happens to her twice too, because Randy Quaid does that

1262
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: to her one of the times where she keeps being

1263
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: like I want to do this, and then someone around

1264
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: her just like no, Sam, what's her name? Wow, it's

1265
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: finally something about into Pennis Day. I don't know. I

1266
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: do not know those character's character's name. I was trying

1267
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: to I like grew wound scenes. I was looking for

1268
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: it because I knew this older sister and Mrs doutfires

1269
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: and yes, because the girl's brother. According to according to IMDb,

1270
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 1: it's her character's name is Alicia. I mean nothing. She

1271
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: she never appeared. I don't think her name is ever mentioned,

1272
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: at least in the theatrical cut. I think it might

1273
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,879
Speaker 1: be in the director's cut, because again, like the director's

1274
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: cut is like so much meandering of like you know,

1275
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot more of like mcguil being resentful of

1276
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: Randy Quaid and fairness. He has a good reason to

1277
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: be resentful, like the Q man, he needs to lay

1278
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 1: off the sauce. He's not being a very good father.

1279
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: I just feel like, sure, Randy Quaid does comment at

1280
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: the very end and saves the day, but I feel

1281
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: like his storyline should be cut entirely. Have someone else

1282
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: save the day. Have the fucking president's save of the day.

1283
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't care, but just like there should be more

1284
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: real estate any quay the president cut the pullman to me,

1285
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: anything is worth Hello, boys, I'm back yes, And then

1286
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 1: that the crowd cheers, Yeah, they're actually uh in preparation

1287
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: for this not really um one of the in the

1288
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: distant past episodes of Game of Thrones that left are

1289
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: really bad taste in my mouth. And I had like

1290
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: I had some people over for a watch party, as

1291
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: like we're watching an Independence Day because it's like it's

1292
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: just especially like if you have really you know, a

1293
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: nice like home system, it's like it's just hold like

1294
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: the you know, the effects hold up really well, but

1295
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: it's just like the you know, joyous dumbasstery like of

1296
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: of like you know, Randy Quaid's ca eliminating moment. It

1297
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: always makes me. And then like the music swells and

1298
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: alien body parts of ringing from the sky and it's

1299
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: just so like you know, you say that it is

1300
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: so it's so and it's like I can't think of

1301
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 1: any other screen moment like that. Where again, it was like,

1302
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: if if there was a suicide moment played today, it

1303
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: would be extremely grim, we would, you know, But this

1304
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: is like a blaze of glory moment, Like it's not

1305
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: meant to be sad at all. Like when three children

1306
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: have just lost their fathers. There's three children are I'm

1307
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: so dad, we inherited the RV. It's fine, they're right

1308
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: there now there's just three kids in an RV, which

1309
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: is a series I would watch. I mean, I just

1310
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: think that we should have cut the Randy Quaid subplot

1311
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: and spent more time developing the female characters. I loved.

1312
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: Have to say Randy's got to stay, but give Randy's

1313
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: daughter more to I say, cut one of Randy's sons.

1314
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: Don't need, we don't need have her be the puk.

1315
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: We actually don't. We can get rid of both so

1316
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: we can make her uh mad at Randy Quaid and sick.

1317
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: And then you have a daughter like you're not my father. Yeah,

1318
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of like that. It's a

1319
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: boy who's like, you're just wried. I think that's in

1320
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: the director, So movie has got a middle part, You're

1321
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: like ninety six? Yeah. Um. Can we talk briefly about

1322
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: how this movie handles queerness, which is that we see

1323
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: Harvey Firestein in the movie The Gay of the Early

1324
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: Nineties played the same character in Uh. Yes, you know.

1325
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: It's a pretty stereotypical portrayal of a gay man. H

1326
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: then he dies almost immediately. And then there's another moment

1327
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: where Steve Hiller is at base with Harry Knnick Jr.

1328
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: Harry picks up the ring that he's going to propose

1329
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: to Jasmine with, So it looks like Harry Connick Jr.

1330
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: Is like on his knees proposing to well Smith. That's

1331
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: what it looks like. And then and then this other

1332
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: guy walks in and then he sees them. I love

1333
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: that joke, and then he like walks away that He's like,

1334
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys are having a moment. I'm going

1335
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: to leave you to it. I'm glad that you have

1336
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: that interpretation. I interpreted more as like, oh, I don't

1337
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: want any part of this. Let me slowly back away,

1338
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: and then I run because I am coming at it

1339
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: from the like knowing Roland Demrick and his background it

1340
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: was just like a being a gay man, be being

1341
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 1: incredibly naive. That does that context us, yes, because I

1342
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: think like he thinks, like obviously he thinks Harvey Firestein

1343
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: is hilarious. Um, And I don't think he sees it

1344
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 1: as self deprecating or like as playing into stereotypes. I

1345
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: think he sees it as isn't Harvey fires hilarious? Isn't

1346
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: it funny? When he goes forget my lawyer, like and

1347
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: cracking up. Yeah. Yeah, Like he's like, oh, it's just

1348
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: like the fact that his death is oh crap, you know,

1349
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: like again something you wouldn't never ever seen a press

1350
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: like it's like not even played for pathos. It's just like,

1351
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: well we lost another one. So strange because like to me,

1352
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: Harvey Forresting plays way less into queer tropes and more

1353
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: into Jewish tropes. But he he's like calling everybody and

1354
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: he's like you gotta go stay with an Esta, you know.

1355
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: And then like he's on the phone with his lawyer.

1356
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: He's on the phone with like every you know, every

1357
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: person he hasn't even a remote business relationship. He's like

1358
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: for three an hour, like you can put me through

1359
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: to his house in the Hampton's. Yeah, I don't know.

1360
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that didn't that that didn't bother me too much,

1361
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: just knowing that it's a queer director and it's like,

1362
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, he but also Roland Emrick made, you know,

1363
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: he made. I think Roland is very like he's got

1364
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: some weird I know, I think he just like and

1365
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: this is not to excuse it, but I really do

1366
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: think he comes from a place of incredible privilege because

1367
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: he was raised incredibly wealthy. He was like, you know,

1368
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: lived in boarding schools his entire childhood, and then he

1369
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: just immediately got a ton of money and started go

1370
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: making movies. So I think he was really insulated from uh,

1371
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, the struggles because you know, he doesn't he's

1372
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: not really a part of any community except for the

1373
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: community of the incredibly wealthy. So I think he's incredibly

1374
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: detached from any kind of conversation so interesting cultural. There's

1375
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: a when I was doing more research on just him

1376
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: in general. One of the first thing that pops up

1377
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: as an interview he did in headline Roland Emeric being

1378
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: gay in Hollywood has been easy just like, Yeah, I

1379
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: think I think that is true because he does he's

1380
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: easy to work with. By all accounts, he stays on budget.

1381
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't rabble, rouse, he doesn't agitate, he doesn't advocate.

1382
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because Stonewall was a passion project of his,

1383
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: Like that's basically why he made Independence Day Resurgence was

1384
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: so he could get funding for Stonewall. And you can

1385
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: also and you can really tell just that he has

1386
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: no connection with any queer communities. He just he's he

1387
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: sees it as like, yes, these are my people, but

1388
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: he does not engage with them at all or some

1389
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: and would have been like, buddy, this is a bad

1390
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: another queer person literally any like no, I just think

1391
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: he just he's very isolated and the fact that he

1392
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, plays the game and it

1393
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to ever occur to him that to ask

1394
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: for rights for anyone but himself. He literally he really

1395
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: has not had a hard time, especially because he had

1396
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: like two big hits right out of the gate and

1397
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: he could just write his ticket to make any movie

1398
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: he wanted. Because you know, it's just because like he's

1399
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he was out, but he never did any advocacy.

1400
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he considered making Stonewall advocacy. Yeah, alright,

1401
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: I love an eccentric rich person. And the other final

1402
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: thoughts about the movie before we wrap up, Um, it's

1403
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: just fun. It's fun. I love it so much. The

1404
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: shot with the dog. I liked that when the dog

1405
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: when the dog, Like, I was like, that's this is

1406
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: a big budget movie because there is a dog doing

1407
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: something heroic. I just I have I have infinite love

1408
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: for Like again, it draws back to the question of

1409
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: can a stupid movie be good because it's because I

1410
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: was thinking about like the uh months ago finale of

1411
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, which was, you know, it was kind

1412
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: of dumb, like and you know, it's just like you

1413
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 1: have a show like Game of Thrones, which can't be

1414
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: dumb because it was falling from such a like a

1415
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: place of you know, internal consistency and sharp dialogue and

1416
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, character consistency, and then it just kind of

1417
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: got dumb in service of the plot. And for that

1418
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: reason it was not good. But Independence Day is deeply

1419
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: dumb and very naive and like just just you know,

1420
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: incredibly like myopic and you know, hypernationalist. I I'm just like,

1421
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I excuse all of it,

1422
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: but I think I can I can make a good

1423
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: case for it being a very tight, well made movie

1424
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: in a way that Roland Nemrick has never been able

1425
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: to replicate. So I think that Independence Day gives hope

1426
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: for stupid stories everywhere. I mean, that was a speech

1427
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: as beautiful as you, like, Hey, hey, editor, you need

1428
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 1: to put Bill Pullman's like powerful music under under my

1429
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: speech about how dumb movies can be good. Actually, and

1430
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 1: the movie does pass the Bechdel tech. Yeah, a couple

1431
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: of times talking about sex positivity. Even that conversation, Yeah,

1432
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: that okame as a surprise to me. Jasmine and her

1433
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: colleague who gets named as Tiffany talk about the welcome

1434
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: party for the Aliens and how Jasmine tells Tiffany that

1435
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: she should not go, even though Tiffany goes and then dies,

1436
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: and then Jasmine, yeah, the first lady to talk about

1437
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 1: the conversation starts with her son and then about will Smith,

1438
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: but then for a few lines they talk about her. Yeah.

1439
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 1: There's a few tiny exchanges between little May Whitman and

1440
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: her mom too that are just like hi, mommy. But

1441
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: I mean just think there was especially that scene with

1442
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: Jasmine and the first lady. You're like, all right, we've

1443
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: got some there's some moves to this, there's some substance here, actually, Presca,

1444
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we may need to go back on this,

1445
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: like review this, but I actually think most of Roland's

1446
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: movies passed the back testing. I think Godzilla might be

1447
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 1: the Godzilla and the Patriot might be the two right.

1448
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: Also though, remember that probably percent of the dialogue is

1449
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: not passing the backest sole minimum another tiny ribbon, A

1450
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: lot of tiny ribbons on this gigantic movie. And then

1451
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of red pins, like some gold stars,

1452
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: a lot of red pins. That's why I like, I

1453
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: love movies like this that are like super watchable but

1454
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: deeply flawed. Like that's another reason why I like I

1455
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: love Transformers. Oh seven was that was the only one

1456
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: that was watchable of the group. But it was so

1457
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: like just so much to deconstruct, like you know, the

1458
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: mill of Terry and the terrible characters and the way

1459
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: it shot, Like I mean, I could go on your

1460
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: incredible serious serious about that. Let's write the movie on

1461
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 1: a nipple scale, uh zero to five nipples based on

1462
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 1: his representation of women. I'm going to give it like

1463
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: a half nipple because even though there are some kind

1464
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 1: of like pleasant surprises in the movie, like it passing

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Speaker 1: the backde tests. We know what each of the women

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Speaker 1: does for a living, stuff like that. But also they're

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Speaker 1: all just like characterized by the relationships that they have

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Speaker 1: two men. Really, no time is spent developing them as

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Speaker 1: people who are important to the story in any way.

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Speaker 1: It's just the women are there because they want to

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01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: kiss the boys. So half nipple and I will give

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Speaker 1: my half nipple too. Is the dog's name, Boo Boomer Boomer,

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: I will give it one nipple. Also, Alf for Melena

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Speaker 1: could have been a hottie president. He could have been

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Speaker 1: Randy Quaid. He's so yeah, he can do anything, so

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01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: he can really be us anyone in this movie. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it one because sex positive question mark.

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01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was like a pleasant thing to see

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Speaker 1: there be even though women have no effect on the

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Speaker 1: plot in the movie whatsoever. If you removed all the

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01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 1: women from the movie, it would just be different, thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes shorter. And then they fridged a woman and that's

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01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: just so lazy and boring. But I did like that,

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Speaker 1: you know, they went out of their way to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, fully characterize a sex worker in a way

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Speaker 1: that wasn't shamy or shitty, and but then they fridged

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Speaker 1: someone immediately after, lots lots to consider. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: give it one nippy and I'm gonna kick it back

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Speaker 1: to Baby May women. All right, Yeah, well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm super biased. I'm gonna I'm grading it on a

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Speaker 1: curve because nineties not even too just because I love

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01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: Jasmine so much. I think it is super curvy. Because

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Speaker 1: when I think of, like, you know, like even a

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Speaker 1: movie like Men in Black with its one woman, you know,

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01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: and like everything else again Jurassic Park with its one

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Speaker 1: woman and another one child woman, which there is a

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Speaker 1: Jurassic Park reference whenever Jeff Goldblum at the end when

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Speaker 1: they're trying to fly out of the mothership, he says,

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Speaker 1: must go faster, must go faster, which is also what

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Speaker 1: Jeff Goldblum said in Jurassic Park Brave of Him. So yeah, cool. Well, Lindsay,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being there, for having We

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