WEBVTT - Ep. 342: Render - Feist Mafia and Everything About Squirrel Dogs 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.040 My name is Clay Nukleman, and this is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease render 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.120 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.360 HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.560 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:49.960 we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease render Man. This 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:55.480 podcast is unique because I didn't foreshadow about this. I 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.880 straight up shadowed, didn't shadow. It was almost like a 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.800 I prophesied about this podcast. Did you hear when I 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.480 said that I was gonna have you on like a 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.280 couple of months ago. You heard about that. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.319 I caught that clip and then he had text me 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.319 earlier last week and my wife is like, what are 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.039 you guys talking about? Like they gave you talking points 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.600 to get studied up. And I'm like, no, but I 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.440 think we're cut from the same cloth, So we're just 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:21.160 gonna go talk. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.319 We're just gonna go talk. Yeah, Well, we've got we've 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:29.000 got Tyler Asberry here, Josh Bilmaker, and Tyler is a 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.600 squirrel dog expert. I don't care what anybody says. He's 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.400 gonna be like, oh, I don't know that much about him. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:35.560 He does, okay. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.000 In the business world, they call it a SMEE, A 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.560 subject matter expert. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.520 Tyler is a SMEE when it comes to to squirrel dogs. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:51.560 And so we're gonna talk about some squirrel go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:56.240 The uh just just right off the top it did 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.400 you follow any of the public land stuff that happened 0:01:58.440 --> 0:01:59.080 in this last week? 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.960 I did. I did, and I've seen we won. And 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.320 that's that's wonderful selling selling public land for corporate money 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:07.880 or whatever they're going to do with that drill. I 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.520 assume that's just a huge win. And I feel like 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.560 that's a fight we're going to fight for a long time. Yeah. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.560 I know, you guys hunt like a lot of public land. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.440 That's ninety five percent of what I hunt, right, So 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.440 to think about like our kids not being able to 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.240 hunt that, it's yeah, it's crazy, man. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.000 So the hard part of it is is it's it's 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:33.240 probably more nuanced than what it seems like. It's like 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.640 they're selling our public lands. That's bad. Well, when you 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.839 actually get into you know, a lot of what they're 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:45.120 trying to do is say that it's for affordable housing 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.919 out in these western cities, which is a legitimate thing, 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.400 like these cities that are surrounded by national forests that 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:56.160 are growing, and and it's like is public land eligible? 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.320 Can the government say, hey, we're going to sell off 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.320 this land these cities. And it's just such a hard 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.280 thing to regulate because it's like, yeah, are they really 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.400 gonna makeffordable housing in Bozeman, Montana? I mean, are they 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.120 really gonna build houses out there that you know, for 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.480 one hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy five thousand 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.200 dollars that you know a young family could go buy 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.679 or is it going to turn into something completely else 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.200 because there's nothing affordable there now? What would make it 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.880 afford you know, there's all these questions. But the bigger 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.880 philosophical question and the thing that the American Hunters and 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.440 other groups dug in, dug their heels in on on 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:40.760 this deal, is that I mean, despite anybody's view of 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.520 how the government should operate, yeah, like you know, big government, 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:53.640 small government, It's like wild lands are the most limiting 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.440 resource on planet Earth. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.400 I would say they're not making more of it, Like, no, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:58.600 we can't, we can't make more. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:05.360 And barring in apocalypse that literally destroys our civilizations. Once 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:11.280 land becomes privatized and has roads, has development, has concrete, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.640 has you know, goes in, goes into this, you know, 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.840 turning into non wild lands, it just never comes back 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:25.560 in ever. I mean literally, if barring an apocalypse of 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:31.040 commet hits us and destroys this country and it turns 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.800 wild for a couple thousand years. So you know, our 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.240 philosophy and our stance and what we're saying is we 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:44.160 want to keep wild lands and we can't trust the 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.760 government to really decide how I mean, if you actually 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.400 could partition off in a reasonable way, like a small 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.320 portion of land for some of these cities, I mean, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.000 maybe there's some place where that could happen, and it's 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.359 actually legal to do that now, and there ways to 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.040 do that now. Not one point two to five million 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.919 acres though, No, And so anyway, it's a it's a 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.320 there's a lot of nuance to it. But the fundamental 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:17.040 question was you know, the Senator Mike Lee, which who 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.800 who was Who's from Utah? Who's who is just like 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.560 wanting to sell this land. Utah has a huge portion 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.120 of their state that is federal lands. There's people that said, well, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.279 what does anybody else in the country have, Why do 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.520 we have a right to say what happens in Utah 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.120 when we don't live in Utah. But then it's like, 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.440 well it's Utah doesn't own it. The federal government owns it. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:41.960 You know. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.760 I contacted my my senators and I just said, look, 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.960 it took too long to get these private these these 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.960 public lands, and this is this is what makes America America, 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.920 and these are the rights of an American and our 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.119 rights should be protected and not so so I'm counting 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:02.599 on you to protect our rights. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.880 Can you believe that there's people in this country that 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:11.159 would have no place in their in their just their life, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:16.080 their mind, their history, their their history, they can remember 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.600 anyway of any value for public lands. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.760 It's it's crazy to think about. And I don't think 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.520 that people realize how much impact that that has had 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.920 on their lives, regardless or not whether they interact with it. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.240 Well, I mean, you know, you look at these population 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.640 maps that show I'm pretty sure I saw a map 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:39.359 the other day that said these cities have more like 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:44.479 like It showed like Los Angeles, Uh, the parts of 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:50.440 Texas like Dallas, New York City, Miami maybe, and they 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:56.120 were like, these little circles have more population than these states. Well, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.440 I mean, I mean, you know, there's more people in 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.640 Dallas than the whole state of Arkansas, like stuff like that. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.719 So it's like there are population centers of people that 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.760 don't on a daily basis think about or interact with 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.600 wild lands. Probably like a lot of people that listen 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.440 to this podcast and us in this room do. And 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.240 so it's like you talk to I mean, that might 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.720 be a massive population that it's just not that important. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.760 And so it's they hear we have all these federal lands. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.480 They cost a lot of money, They're worth a lot 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:32.160 of money. Countries in debt. Maybe it's a pretty easy 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.120 ideological process for them to go, yeah, just sell it. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:40.280 They don't live the lifestyle we live exactly. Yeah. What 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.360 was really cool to me? And like I'm not political, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.320 politics suck whatever side, Jesus rules, Jesus wins them. But 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.560 what was cool to me is is there's so much 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.200 agendas in government, right, so everything is funded or has 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.240 to do with a dollar. So they when they did this, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.240 like everyone on my Facebook feed, my Instagram feed is 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.720 sharing attacktor senators, let's win. Like I got guys posting stuff. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.600 I've not seen a post from you since twenty sixteen. Yeah, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.840 every Maybe it's just the group of friends I have, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.000 but everyone coming together, like we're not doing this, Yeah, happening. Well, 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:12.600 it was wonderful. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.600 Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah it's pretty cool. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:14.920 Yeah. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.480 BHA put out some numbers. It was like, I can't 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.720 remember one hundred and thirty three thousand calls to senators in. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:23.520 Just a few days. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:24.160 That's awesome. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.640 You know, it's pretty pretty There's everybody showed up, and 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.400 I think that's what helped protect the lamb. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.680 Well, the main reason that we need public lands, and 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.640 I think all Americans agree, is for squirrel hunting. And 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:37.760 that's why Tyler. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.960 Asbury is here, always circles except. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.560 For like I have to dodge bow hunters and then 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.080 have to dodge duck hunters, and then I have to 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.640 dodge trappers. Like I came out of the woods. I 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.160 came out of the woods last year on a road 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.680 I like to hunt quite a bit in rainy break 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.080 Rainny Brakes a w my I named my son after it. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.640 And there's this old dude on a four wheeler just 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.840 like Catt and By and he's got to be eighty five. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:58.560 And I was like, hey, man, he's like, you got 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.440 squirrel dogs. I was like yeah, he's like, I've got 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.360 like nineteen number two dukes on that water to catch 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.240 coons with. You might not want to turn loose here. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.400 I'm like, oh, so now I got to dodge trappers 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.960 as well, you know so, but yeah, public lands. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:14.560 Challenges of public lands. Yeah, yeah, Well Tyler, you live 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:20.480 in east central Arkansas, yep, yep. And how long you 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:21.320 been squirrel hunting? 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.640 Oh? Man, fifteen years or so. I started coon hunting 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.480 and the wife was like this coming in at four 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.120 am is not going to work. So and I love 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.360 to coon hunt, but I'm also not a night oul. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.120 So yeah, fifteen sixteen years squirrel dogging. Yeah. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:42.959 Now, so I wanted to have you on just to 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:47.600 set the record straight about We're going to talk about 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.600 many things, but talk to me at first about what 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.679 you said earlier about how squirrel hunting with dogs is 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:55.880 kind of blown up. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.240 It really has, and I think it's because of things 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.200 like this, social media and just people like I grew 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.360 up in every one deer hunted, Like, let's get a 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.559 corn pile out in a thirty thirty and let's kill 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.640 that pasca RAC six and we're getting it, you know, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.839 and like anymore, like there's like there's that's what it is, Josh, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.000 that's what it is. In my country, there's there's more 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.760 and more people, uh, you know, trying new things. But 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.840 like I cannot fathom sitting in a deer stand and 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.040 just swilling my thumbs like hoping a deer walks by. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.520 I think I deer hunt differently than most people. Maybe 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.320 I wasn't talked to deer hunt right, but anyway, Yeah, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:32.880 it's it's huge and uh like. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.200 That's why all deer hunters do is just twiddling their thumbs. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:40.240 Yeah, I've offended someone and I apologize to whoever. But yeah, no, 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.000 it's it's really blown up. And uh, I think people 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.079 trying new things, you know, but really social media has 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.800 done wonders for the sport. And you've got guys that 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.200 you know, can't afford to go buy like a finished 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.800 trained dog, you know, Like I saw a gyp in 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.680 twenty two to a man in Georgia and he never 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.839 met him. He's like, hey, senor Facebook post, want to 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.080 buy your dog? Cool? You know, and and yeah, social 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.840 media's blew it up huge. And then there's you see 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.559 that as a positive thing. I am a father of 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.360 four in the toughest economy I've seen, Like, I'm gonna 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.120 sell a dog yearly, Like I've got to so so 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.679 I try to raise two a year, maybe keep one, 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.920 maybe sell one. That's what I do. Uh. And you 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.800 know there's there's there's people out there that don't enjoy 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.680 raising dogs and they need to buy. Yeah. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.640 Now, hey, I tend to offend people, like offend the 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.400 cultural norms. When I'm around cattle farmers. Usually the first 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.320 thing I ask is like, how many cows you got? 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.280 Yeah, like, I know the rules? What are you worth? 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:38.600 Brother? 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.040 I know the rules. I'm not worried about. I'm not 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.760 doing the math. Economics is not what I'm interested in. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.040 I'm interested in just like, what's your workload? How much 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.600 land do you have? How much how many how many 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.000 cows per acre are you putting on this place? You know? 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.360 Just tell me about your life, Like, I'm not really 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.520 trying to get in this pocketbook, So I'm not trying 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.360 to get into your pocketbook here. What's a good finished 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.280 squirrel dog worth? A good year? And a half old 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:05.880 finished squirrel. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.400 Dogs to a man wanting to kill squirrels or a 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.360 man wanting to go to competition. You tell me, so 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.360 you can go. There's several different like organizations. You can 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.640 go to a us d C. It stands for Ultimate 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.640 Squirrel Dog Club Competition Hunt, and you can spend out 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:25.000 a tattoo on chest. Yeah, yeah, I got what as well? 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.040 But oh, you actually have a squirrel dog test. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:33.320 I've got a squirrell sorry, but anyway, Yeah, you can 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.360 go spend two thousand dollars on an entry fee and 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.800 win a new pickup squirrel hunting squirreling squirrel. I have seen, 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.600 I quit, I have seen thirty thousand dollars exchange holy 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.040 for a good squirrel dog that sorry young one, five 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.280 six year old, healthy, clean, bill of health, in the 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.199 prime of his life. And then I've seen a good 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.520 a good pleasure dog like if I call you like Clay, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.839 I've got an eighteen month old dog. That's that's rocking. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.800 He's as good as she's ever gonna be. I want 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.920 three grand four. That's that's pretty close right now, depends 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.839 on the party, like the customer. I guess, yeah, so, uh, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.320 thirty grand. I've seen Coondog self for double that. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:18.800 Dude, It's now explain to me how did these groups? 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.720 I've never understood these truck hunts. Where's this money coming from? 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:24.640 The entries? The entries? 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.200 So like, tell me give me now, I'm into the 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.280 pocket book. Yeah yeah, squirrel dog hunt? How does this work? 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:30.480 Like? 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.559 I come and it's a two thousand dollars entry and 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.680 there's one hundred guys. So they're gathering up two hundred 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.640 thousand dollars and they go buy a pickup and somebody 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.040 walks away with one fifty. Welcome to the Bear Grease 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.160 Squirrel Classic. We're hiring Tyler Asbrey to run it. We're 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.520 gonna pay him thirty grand. We're gonna buy a forty 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.040 five thousand dollars pickup, and me and Josh are keeping 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:52.959 one hundred and sixty's. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.480 What's comical is is what you just said is happening 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.360 in the coondog world right now, and I'm clapping for them, guys. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.160 I am. I wake up and go to bed thinking 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.760 about squirrel dogs, and these guys do too. I don't 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.040 have any interest to drive to Mount or Ohio for 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.720 a competition hunt at all. I would rather go squirrel 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.439 hunt alone with my dog and make a good dog 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.760 and then sell it. I can't. I can't run the 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.720 roads like that. I can't afford those entry fees. Some 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.040 people can, that's great, but I can't. But uh yeah, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.440 and you know the more like so like right now 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.800 they're selling entries. Uh. The president of the us DC, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:29.680 his name is Jeff Island. He's from Alabama, a good 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.120 friend of mine. He every Thursday he's like, Okay, here's 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.480 this hunt in Jamestown, Tennessee. We're gonna sell thirty six 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.640 entries for sale right now. Go Wow, how much I 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.400 want entry? I want one? I want want five hundred thousand, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:43.160 whatever you want. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:44.800 What have they given away on those hunts? 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.480 Money? Sometimes money? I used to I used to hold 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.200 a lot of squirrel dog hunts before the kids got 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.280 old enough to really really go and do uh four 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.920 wheelers side besides whatever you want to play for, you know. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.240 But and then there's other score dog registrations where it's 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.840 not so much, but like one hundred dollars entry fee. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.720 Like there's a company called NSD, which is my favorite. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.560 Jimmy Mmon owns it. He's out of Tennessee as well, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.320 and they have state races, so you can go do 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.120 like a thirty dollars hunt on Saturdays and keep up 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.120 with like say, say Josh wins it, he gets one 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.400 hundred points. Well the end of the year, he gets 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.080 a check and a jacket and he won the state race. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.080 You know. So it's, uh, it's whatever you want to do. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:27.000 Really is there Are there multiple organizations? Yeah? Are there? 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.560 Just are theyre just like people that. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.720 Just have hunts, there are And that is very like 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.640 what do you want to do? Like do you want 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.560 so so you wanted to talk about fists and like 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.560 there's like sixty four fist organizations based on is that? 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.880 Are you hyperbolically saying sixty four? Are there literally sixty four? No, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.480 there's like five or six hyperbolic Yeah, I know that 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.200 exaggeration to prove a point. Right with that in your bank. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.080 I can't wait to call my wife and use that 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:58.760 word on the way home. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.400 But yeah, rebelically. 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.920 Hyberbolically, She'll be like, what where did you learn that? Uh? 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:05.760 What were we talking about? 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.680 Okay, a number of fist organizations? 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.240 Yeah they're five, Yeah, there are five, And basically like 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.400 it's political it's so political. So it's basically like this 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.440 group of guys doesn't want to hunt against this group 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.480 of guys. So like we're going to make our own organization. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.680 You're not in, You're in. It's what it is. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.800 Okay, I want to come back to FIST, but I 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.360 want to stay on the squirrel dog competition competition. I've 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.520 never now, I've I have, I've competition coon coon hunted. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.280 I won't say a lot, but enough to be quite 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.120 familiar with ye and uh, I've never been to a 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:44.000 competition squirrel hunt. Yeah, but I now, man Tyler, I 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.200 knew this was going to be good. I now have 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:47.720 a new dream. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:48.560 I have to. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:50.800 I have too. I added a new dream and I'm 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:55.960 gonna expose it. Formerly I was interested in being a 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.640 commercial fisherman and a high end mule trade. That was 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.960 like a drink. I've dropped. I'm dropping commercial fishing just 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.080 over it. And but I have attained high end mule trader. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.920 You want to you want to find like the top 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:17.080 dollar mule, I'm your man. Uh, actually put mule trader 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.760 in my bio on Instagram. Yeah, okay, Now I want 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.800 to have a bear Grease squirrel Classic okay, we where 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:32.240 we give away a thousand acre track of land and uh, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.840 and I also want to hold a a high end 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.199 uh mule sale like chrumb in the canyon or like 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.320 Bishop Gildays that kind of. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.280 You doing that at the same location at the same time. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.320 It had to be different times. But I would just 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.119 be the guy this like, hey, if you need squirrel 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.880 dogs or mules, he's not only the man, but he's 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:59.560 got the infrastructure around him. So yeah, anyway, guys, uh 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.600 type yeah, no, So there's all these all these hunts. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.040 How okay, So there's a different describe to me the 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.159 difference between a pleasure dog and a competition dog, so 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.399 that those are phrases that people in the dog world 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.800 would be really understand. I think somebody that's never squirrel 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:19.400 hunted would not understand. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.439 There is no difference in a dog's talent in the 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.840 two pleasure versus competition. It's just a difference in the handling. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.840 So like, if you go squirrel hunting, you may want 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:32.960 your dog to timber with the squirrel as it leaves 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.800 and stay with it so you can find it to 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.960 shoot it. I don't want my dog to timber because 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:38.879 in a competition hunt, you're gonna get minused if your 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.120 dog leaves that tree. I've not seen I've seen three 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.600 dogs my whole life that could timber a squirrel. Well, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.200 most dogs are gonna timber it for twenty thirty yards 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.280 and then lose it and their instincts to put that 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.159 nose on the ground and then they look like a 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.000 fool they've lost it. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.480 Like if timberand means dog's tree, the squirrel in the tree. Yeah, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.240 and then the squirrel leaves, Yeah, goes from tree to tree. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.200 Yeah. The way I am bringing up pups right now, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.320 I do not want them timbering. I don't want them 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.280 to leave that tree until I physically pull them off 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.280 of it. Okay, Yeah, there's very very little difference. I 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.159 have seen some pleasure dogs that will never see a 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.200 competition hunt that I think a lot of always will. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.040 Tim's mother, Cally, never put her in a hunt to 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.399 this day. The best pure squirrel traer I've owned, the 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.600 only one I've ever buried. And then I've seen some 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.520 competition dogs that were like, where I live, I hunt 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.680 along a lot of rice fields being filled, So I'm 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.159 gonna send him like down that levee. So he may 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:34.760 be six hundred yards before he ever cuts in the 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.000 woods and smells the squirrel. We don't want to do that. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.760 If for cooln squirrels, I don't want to walk that far. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.639 You dang sure don't in this country. I definitely understand 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.600 why you hun off mules. Now, I am not a 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.880 mountain guy. I'm not built for that. So yeah, it's 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.800 just a little bit of handling, that's all it is. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.159 So the idea with the competition dog is that he 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.280 needs to go tree a squirrel and stay on the 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.040 tree till you get there. Because that's when you think 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.880 about if I were just describing the competition as someone 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:05.199 had no understanding, like a competition gives value to the 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:09.080 things that's difficult for a dog to do. And what's 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.639 difficult for a dog to do. Even though we're breeding 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.560 tree dogs, is that not every dog that's bred to 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.440 be a tree dog is going to be a tree dog. 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.760 Tree dog meaning when an animal runs up a tree, 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.040 they stand under the tree embark Like if you think 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:29.800 about it biologically, that is clearly a man induced trait 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.440 because a wolf, if an animal runs up a tree, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.840 a wolf is gonna walk away and go find something 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:36.520 else to catch on the ground because he's never going 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:38.760 to climb that tree. So I mean, you know, like 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:43.640 deep Historically, like people were breeding dogs that stayed at 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.280 the tree embarked, and so anyway, that's a limiting factor. 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.639 So a competition gives ultimate value to a dog that 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:51.200 stays tree. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.000 Yeah, yeah, basically. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:59.080 And so a competition dog needs to be quick and fast. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.000 He needs to be trea very fast. Here's the deal, 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.400 and this is gonna really hit home with you. If 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.240 you are treed nine hundred yards do what direction is that? 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.160 That is that west? If you're treed nine hundred yards 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.080 west here, you might not hear that dog right in 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.280