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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman, and this is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease render

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease render Man. This

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Speaker 1: podcast is unique because I didn't foreshadow about this. I

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Speaker 1: straight up shadowed, didn't shadow. It was almost like a

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Speaker 1: I prophesied about this podcast. Did you hear when I

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Speaker 1: said that I was gonna have you on like a

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Speaker 1: couple of months ago. You heard about that.

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Speaker 2: I caught that clip and then he had text me

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Speaker 2: earlier last week and my wife is like, what are

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Speaker 2: you guys talking about? Like they gave you talking points

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Speaker 2: to get studied up. And I'm like, no, but I

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Speaker 2: think we're cut from the same cloth, So we're just

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Speaker 2: gonna go talk.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna go talk. Yeah, Well, we've got we've

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Speaker 1: got Tyler Asberry here, Josh Bilmaker, and Tyler is a

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Speaker 1: squirrel dog expert. I don't care what anybody says. He's

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Speaker 1: He does, okay.

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Speaker 3: In the business world, they call it a SMEE, A

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Speaker 3: subject matter expert.

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Speaker 1: Tyler is a SMEE when it comes to to squirrel dogs.

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Speaker 1: And so we're gonna talk about some squirrel go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The uh just just right off the top it did

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Speaker 1: you follow any of the public land stuff that happened

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Speaker 2: I did. I did, and I've seen we won. And

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Speaker 2: that's that's wonderful selling selling public land for corporate money

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Speaker 2: that's a fight we're going to fight for a long time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know, you guys hunt like a lot of public land.

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Speaker 2: That's ninety five percent of what I hunt, right, So

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Speaker 2: to think about like our kids not being able to

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Speaker 1: So the hard part of it is is it's it's

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Speaker 1: probably more nuanced than what it seems like. It's like

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Speaker 1: they're selling our public lands. That's bad. Well, when you

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Speaker 1: out in these western cities, which is a legitimate thing,

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Speaker 1: like these cities that are surrounded by national forests that

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Speaker 1: because there's nothing affordable there now? What would make it

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Speaker 1: afford you know, there's all these questions. But the bigger

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Speaker 1: philosophical question and the thing that the American Hunters and

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Speaker 1: how the government should operate, yeah, like you know, big government,

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Speaker 1: small government, It's like wild lands are the most limiting

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Speaker 2: I would say they're not making more of it, Like, no,

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Speaker 1: And barring in apocalypse that literally destroys our civilizations. Once

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Speaker 1: wild for a couple thousand years. So you know, our

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Speaker 3: I contacted my my senators and I just said, look,

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that there's people in this country that

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, you look at these population

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Speaker 2: They don't live the lifestyle we live exactly. Yeah. What

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: BHA put out some numbers. It was like, I can't

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Speaker 3: remember one hundred and thirty three thousand calls to senators in.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's pretty pretty There's everybody showed up, and

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Speaker 1: Well, the main reason that we need public lands, and

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Speaker 1: I think all Americans agree, is for squirrel hunting. And

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Speaker 1: that's why Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Asbury is here, always circles except.

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Speaker 2: For like I have to dodge bow hunters and then

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Speaker 2: And I was like, hey, man, he's like, you got

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Speaker 2: as well, you know so, but yeah, public lands.

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Speaker 1: Challenges of public lands. Yeah, yeah, Well Tyler, you live

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, fifteen years or so. I started coon hunting

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Speaker 2: So yeah, fifteen sixteen years squirrel dogging. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, so I wanted to have you on just to

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Speaker 2: It really has, and I think it's because of things

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Speaker 2: up in every one deer hunted, Like, let's get a

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Speaker 2: and like anymore, like there's like there's that's what it is, Josh,

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Speaker 2: I think I deer hunt differently than most people. Maybe

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Speaker 1: That's why all deer hunters do is just twiddling their thumbs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've offended someone and I apologize to whoever. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: trying new things, you know, but really social media has

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Speaker 2: met him. He's like, hey, senor Facebook post, want to

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Speaker 2: media's blew it up huge. And then there's you see

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Speaker 2: that as a positive thing. I am a father of

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Speaker 2: I try to raise two a year, maybe keep one,

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Speaker 1: Now, hey, I tend to offend people, like offend the

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Speaker 1: cultural norms. When I'm around cattle farmers. Usually the first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I know the rules? What are you worth?

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Speaker 1: I know the rules. I'm not worried about. I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing the math. Economics is not what I'm interested in.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in just like, what's your workload? How much

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Speaker 2: Dogs to a man wanting to kill squirrels or a

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Speaker 2: you can go. There's several different like organizations. You can

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Speaker 2: go to a us d C. It stands for Ultimate

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Speaker 2: Squirrel Dog Club Competition Hunt, and you can spend out

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Speaker 2: a tattoo on chest. Yeah, yeah, I got what as well?

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Speaker 1: But oh, you actually have a squirrel dog test.

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Speaker 2: I've got a squirrell sorry, but anyway, Yeah, you can

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Speaker 2: go spend two thousand dollars on an entry fee and

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Speaker 2: I quit, I have seen thirty thousand dollars exchange holy

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Speaker 2: for a good squirrel dog that sorry young one, five

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Speaker 2: He's as good as she's ever gonna be. I want

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Speaker 2: three grand four. That's that's pretty close right now, depends

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Speaker 1: Dude, It's now explain to me how did these groups?

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Speaker 1: I've never understood these truck hunts. Where's this money coming from?

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Speaker 2: The entries? The entries?

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Speaker 1: So like, tell me give me now, I'm into the

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Speaker 1: I come and it's a two thousand dollars entry and

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Speaker 1: there's one hundred guys. So they're gathering up two hundred

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Speaker 1: Squirrel Classic. We're hiring Tyler Asbrey to run it. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna pay him thirty grand. We're gonna buy a forty

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Speaker 2: What's comical is is what you just said is happening

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Speaker 2: and then sell it. I can't. I can't run the

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Speaker 2: roads like that. I can't afford those entry fees. Some

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Speaker 2: and you know the more like so like right now

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Speaker 2: friend of mine. He every Thursday he's like, Okay, here's

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Speaker 2: this hunt in Jamestown, Tennessee. We're gonna sell thirty six

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Speaker 1: What have they given away on those hunts?

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Speaker 2: Money? Sometimes money? I used to I used to hold

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Speaker 2: But and then there's other score dog registrations where it's

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Speaker 2: Like there's a company called NSD, which is my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Mmon owns it. He's out of Tennessee as well,

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Speaker 2: and they have state races, so you can go do

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Speaker 2: with like say, say Josh wins it, he gets one

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Speaker 2: You know. So it's, uh, it's whatever you want to do.

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Speaker 1: Really is there Are there multiple organizations? Yeah? Are there?

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Speaker 1: Just are theyre just like people that.

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Speaker 2: Just have hunts, there are And that is very like

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Speaker 2: so so you wanted to talk about fists and like

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Speaker 2: there's like sixty four fist organizations based on is that?

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Speaker 1: Are you hyperbolically saying sixty four? Are there literally sixty four? No,

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Speaker 1: there's like five or six hyperbolic Yeah, I know that

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to call my wife and use that

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Speaker 2: Hyberbolically, She'll be like, what where did you learn that? Uh?

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Speaker 2: What were we talking about?

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Speaker 1: Okay, a number of fist organizations?

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Speaker 2: Yeah they're five, Yeah, there are five, And basically like

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Speaker 2: it's political it's so political. So it's basically like this

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Speaker 2: of guys. So like we're going to make our own organization.

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Speaker 2: You're not in, You're in. It's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to come back to FIST, but I

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Speaker 1: never now, I've I have, I've competition coon coon hunted.

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Speaker 1: I have too. I added a new dream and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna expose it. Formerly I was interested in being a

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Speaker 1: in my bio on Instagram. Yeah, okay, Now I want

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Speaker 1: It had to be different times. But I would just

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Speaker 2: There is no difference in a dog's talent in the

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Speaker 2: So like, if you go squirrel hunting, you may want

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Speaker 2: in a competition hunt, you're gonna get minused if your

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Speaker 1: Like if timberand means dog's tree, the squirrel in the tree. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I do not want them timbering. I don't want them

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Speaker 2: have seen some pleasure dogs that will never see a

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Speaker 2: You dang sure don't in this country. I definitely understand

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Speaker 1: no matter what he does, go, he's got to go.

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00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: And then there's also dogs that are just instinctively well

431
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 1: let me ask you, do you think that there's like

432
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: these really good ones, like they kind of understand squirrels

433
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: and understand where they're gonna be. Like you and I

434
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: would like if you were in a rice field looking

435
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: at a wooded wood edge and I don't know, the

436
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: timber was real thick right there and viney in your mind,

437
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: you're thinking, I bet there's a scroll right there.

438
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: Do you think the dogs are keyed in that much?

440
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: They have to be and that I actually just talked

441
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: about that with my buddy Lane Parks in Tennessee. Like

442
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: I've seen good competition dogs that just didn't know. All right,

443
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: I got to get out of this water. I gotta

444
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: get down like where I live. Game is on field edges.

445
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: That's where game is. I've got to get out of

446
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: this and go find the right woods. And what you

447
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: just said, that is a trait that cannot be They

448
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: either have it teach it, you do not teach it.

449
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: And that's what's so amazing me is that is pure skill.

450
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: Like that dog just knows intelligence.

451
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: And here's here's another thing, Like you've got these fights

452
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: running around that are ten times more intelligent than a

453
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: walker hound. They're way smarter.

454
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: Hey say that again for Brent.

455
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: I am a Walkerman to the core and always will be.

456
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: But it's facts and then plots there a lot smarter

457
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: than walkers. But keep going.

458
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

459
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: Round you. You're gonna have to get used to this.

460
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: My job to derail Mike. You did good.

461
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: You've taught me a new word and we've derailed me twice.

462
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 1: So sorry. So okay, dogs like, yeah, he's an intelligence

463
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: for the game. Yeah, fi smarter than a hound.

464
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's facts. Uh yeah. So so No One Where

465
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: to be is huge? Now, I really am huge on

466
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: a winding nose. So like I took, I raised a

467
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: gip I called a whip. She's always gonna be my

468
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: one that got away. I sold her needed the cash.

469
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: She was just amazing. She's in the Hall of Fame

470
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: now in Nst. My buddy Lane owns her. She was

471
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 2: the kind of dog that would win no matter where

472
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: you were. So in twenty two, maybe twenty three, I

473
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: go to Mount orrab Ohio. It's a huge frost on

474
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: the ground. It's October. It's not frosted here yet. She's

475
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: seventeen months old. I've put her in three hunts and

476
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: won all three of them. So this is the fourth

477
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: hunt I took her to, so the mid round or

478
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: the early round, Like, I get my head beating. She's

479
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: never hunted on a frost in her life, She's never

480
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: seen and I get to think about them, like this

481
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: was so stupid. This is on me. I get to

482
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: buy back in the next round. Those squirrels up there

483
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: are laid out sonning, like they are on limbs, just chilling.

484
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen here. That doesn't happen here. So she's

485
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: just winding squirrels just picking on my popcorn here in

486
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: the middle of the day. They're not laid out sonning.

487
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: They've been down, got what they need to, and they're

488
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: back in a hole. So location is pretty huge, you

489
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: know where you're at. And I'm really jealous of that

490
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: because those guys will like those guys will like sleep

491
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: in until six, go get breakfast at the local cafe

492
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: eight nine o'clock. They're gonna turn loose around ten, be

493
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: home at two. Like brother, where I'm at, you better

494
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 2: turn loose at daylight if you want to treat a

495
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: squirrel the right time of the year, because there's so many,

496
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: you know, I hunt around a lot of salus and

497
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: there's these duck hunters and a lot of gun pressure,

498
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: and these squirrels are wild, wild, yeah, which I've actually

499
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 2: with this job, I have, I've actually found a lot

500
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: more public land and we've started hunting out of boats

501
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: just to get away away from all the noise, away

502
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: from all the pressure, you know, And that's really where

503
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: I like takeup.

504
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: So where is the squirrel hunting and what I mean

505
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: by that the squirrel hunting epicenter of the country, like culturally,

506
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: like where are the most squirrel dogs? Where are the

507
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: best squirrel dogs? Where are the most squirrels? Where are

508
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: there more hunters? Like where is or is there a

509
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: place or is it all kind of just spread out

510
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: through the.

511
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: East squirrel There are squirrel hunters, like from Oklahoma north

512
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: to Indiana and then east. So like the southeast, like

513
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: go sec there's a lot of squirrel dog people there.

514
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: I talked to a man in Pennsylvania about once a month,

515
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: and he is in true mountain country there. I know

516
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: a guy in New York with squirrel dogs. I've not

517
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: heard of anyone like north of the border. I'm sure

518
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: there're squirrels in Alaska. In Canada, I'd love to go

519
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: up there like me myself. I've hunted, I've been in

520
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: the Mississippi Delta. I've been in the Mark Twain in

521
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: Missouri land between the Lakes and Kentucky's a good time.

522
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: Upper Peninsula of Michigan's a good time. Arkansas has game

523
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: and that's kind of where I hang out. There's no

524
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: really no reason for me to leave Arkansas.

525
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: What about numbers of squirrel hunters? Where do you like

526
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: the people you interact with?

527
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: Like where I have more friends out of state that

528
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: I talked too daily than I do at home, because

529
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: you know, like minded things. I'm gonna say, like the

530
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: leader in number of squirrel hunters will probably be Mississippi.

531
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: Really yeah, and I'm a huge Mississippi fan.

532
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot a lot of the you know

533
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: the guy that got me into squirrel hunters for Mississippi cool, Yeah,

534
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: Trey Autry, gotcha.

535
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: The Mississippi Delta is a good time for sure. And

536
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: a lot of that depends on the water situation. Is

537
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: it flooded, is it not flooded? You know when did

538
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: the like at home? Right now? The water's going down

539
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: finally on our ref you just like a little rain's

540
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: not hurting right now, and I know what's coming. It's

541
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: about to get dusty dry. But like, if they're not

542
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: pumping things off down there, you know they may don't

543
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: have a great year. So if Timber stays flooded, it's

544
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: not gonna produce that well.

545
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me about your hunting schedule throughout the year,

546
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: Like when do you start hunting?

547
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: So so, like I sold my jip Sassy right after Christmas,

548
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: and I bred her her first heat, and I had

549
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: a litter of seven six or tran squirrels. I kept one.

550
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: I call her up. She was born in August, so

551
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: she's ten months old right now. She is a deep

552
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: and lonely dog. Like today she's six seven hundred to

553
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: find a squirrel. A lot of that's hyperness. I'm not

554
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: trying to go that far right now. I also have

555
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: a four month ooughd pup named Nova that's about a

556
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: fifty yard dog like hanging around me. I'm just not

557
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: doing much right now. Like it rained Wednesday and the

558
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: wife was like, oh man, it cooled down. The thermometer

559
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: says eighty one degrees, and like I wasn't even done

560
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: making my peep and Jai I was like be back,

561
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: gotta go, and I went and turn my pupplace, you know,

562
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: but I'm going to get fired up about mid September.

563
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: It's still dry, it's still hot, and I'm gonna make

564
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: a tree or two. Let's end on a good note.

565
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: And I'm not really doing a whole lot till mid

566
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: October and then it's go time. After January. Squirrels get

567
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: pretty hard to tree. I'm sure it's the same way here.

568
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: They're done enough predators, Squirrels get pretty hard to tree.

569
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: And then to build on that. Like, my oldest two

570
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: kids are sports players, so that we're busy spring softball.

571
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: Jason's a basketball player. I don't have time to hunt February,

572
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: so pretty much September January is my window September through January. Okay,

573
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: I'll do a little bit in the spring, like I

574
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: love to go to the Mark Twain Light May and

575
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: hunt opening weekend. Such such a good time short Timber

576
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: which I don't get to hunt ever. Yeah, yeah, so

577
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: that's that's a pretty good time up there.

578
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Okay. So layout for people that have never even done

579
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: it and don't have any familiarity with the types of

580
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: squirrel dogs. So we use that phrase squirrel dog, squirrel dog. Yeah,

581
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: what dogs would fit into that category that squirrel dog.

582
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: You have fasts, you have mountain curves, you have treeing

583
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: curves or treeing fasts. And what that means is if

584
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: you take a curve or a fist and you add

585
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: another breed to it. That's when we introduce the word dream.

586
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: And then there's people squirrel hunting, walkers, black and tans,

587
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: red ticks, plots, any kind of hound. There's also a

588
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: breed dog called a leaka. And maybe I'm saying that right. Uh,

589
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: these these dogs don't bark much treed. They look like

590
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: sled dogs. And the guys that squirrel hunt them kill

591
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: a pile of squirrels with them. I've never been with one,

592
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: and I am very open minded and I like to

593
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: try new things, but I cannot get behind squirrel hunting

594
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: a long haired dog. Yeah, it's the only ick I

595
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: have in life. I think, Uh that in red waspers,

596
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: but it's just yeah, So that's the categories. Okay, and

597
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: then you have bloodlines in each in each category, you.

598
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: Know, Okay, so let's talk about Okay, let's go ahead,

599
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: and let's sorry it there.

600
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: Let's roll our sleeves up.

601
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody thinks that a breed of dog is like

602
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: just like a UKC like yeah, blue tick or yeah,

603
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: you know poodle or labrador, UKC bread you breed. It's

604
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, a full bread lab to a full bread

605
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: lab and you get a full bread lab litter. Yeah,

606
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: describe to me what a feist is.

607
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: In my opinion, a feist is a dog that trees

608
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: or chases game under thirty pounds, under eighteen inches. That

609
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: is a feist. That is a that is a squirrel

610
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: dog feast.

611
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: Now, so it is not that's what. That just explains

612
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: why I've got a feist out here that has white

613
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: legs and yeah a little bit of brindle, and then

614
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: I've got some that are almost black. Yeah, like they

615
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: look different.

616
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah they do. In my So, if you've got so luck,

617
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: you've got Osage out there, and she's a fast, her

618
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: mother is half cur but Osage is so small that

619
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: she measures for a fast. So if you aid her,

620
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: if you artificially inseminated her to a walker hound, a

621
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: sixty pound walker hound, and those pups were half fast,

622
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: half walker and they're under thirty pounds, that is a fist.

623
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: There's still a fist.

624
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: A fast is a fast.

625
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: So a fist is not really a breeded dog. It's

626
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: a category of dog.

627
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Siry, you nailed it correct.

628
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the clear. Yeah, I wanted to say that

629
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: because there's also a lot of different kinds of fist, right,

630
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: what are the different kinds?

631
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: So people call treeing fists and mountain fasts this or

632
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: that because they have an agenda. A mountain fist group

633
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: once a small, prickier dog that these guys know. There's

634
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 2: no hounderbird dog in this. So we're gonna call these

635
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: mountain fosts. We want these to be mountain fois. Tree

636
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: and fist guys can't come. The fast is a feist,

637
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: no matter what's in it.

638
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: Okay. So there's a mountain feast, which a mountain feist

639
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: might look almost like a.

640
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: Like a terrier top top situation.

641
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: A lot of times lighter colored even solid colored dog

642
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: under eighteen inches under thirty pounds might have a saddle

643
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: back with like be red, or might be light colored

644
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: lemon drop color, even.

645
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: Jet black possibly really yeah uh huh, or white and

646
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: ticked up maybe, But.

647
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: That mountain feast is clearly not going to have any

648
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: hound in it, Yes, sir, is that and that would

649
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: have been people that we're trying to kind of make

650
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: a breed of dog, right.

651
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: Correct, So my friend Todd cos and baseball has a

652
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: lot to do with almost everything to do with what

653
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: your dogs are. Todd calls his dog's feists. That's what

654
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: they are. They are brindle, and they are most of

655
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: them are under twenty pounds. His in my opinion, his

656
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: best dog is a dog he calls moon Pie one

657
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: of the best I've seen ghosts. She weighs like fourteen pounds.

658
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: That is tiny.

659
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: Like we've come up to water and I like, I

660
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: look back and Todd's got her like a football, like

661
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: walking across water so you don't have to swim and

662
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: then just drop her back down. But yeah, so his

663
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: bloodline of fists are called booster bread feists, and he

664
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: has not brought in outside influence of any other dog.

665
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: He has linebread his fists, that's what it is. Everything

666
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: has the same relatives. But he has not dipped out

667
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: of other stuff. You see him saying he's not grin,

668
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: got any cur or, got any hound or bird dog

669
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: and added in.

670
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: That Now, okay, so with those dogs, tell me the

671
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: pros and cons.

672
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: Of a little big dog like that heavily opinionated. Like

673
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: you've seen the meme where the guy is standing up

674
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: and they've got like swords at his throat.

675
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's how I feel you can put yourself

676
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: in danger, yes as.

677
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I hope no one does a break

678
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: through my window.

679
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: Well, uh, try to blur out his face, turn down

680
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: the and be like we're bringing in an expert and

681
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: tell us what he really thinks about small feists.

682
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: A small fist is gonna hunt close, He's gonna he's

683
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: gonna be within two three hundred yards most of the time.

684
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: A small fist isn't going to tree very hard. And

685
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: when I say tree very hard, I refer to that

686
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: as bark's per minute. That dog might bark thirty to

687
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: forty times per minute to where a cur or a

688
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: tree in curve, or a hound is gonna give you

689
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: like one twenty a minute. Me personally, like when I

690
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: get treated, I want you to know where I'm at,

691
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: and you to know where I'm at, And Donald Trump,

692
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: you know, I want everyone to know Tyler's right there,

693
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to walk in there guessing, like

694
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: wonder where my dog's at. The garment says he's treated,

695
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: but I don't hear it. That's my preference. Fists are smart, Okay.

696
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 2: So I have seen I have been with people who

697
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: hunt fists and maybe we like, hey, man, meet me,

698
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: meet me at the gas station at six, we're gonna

699
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: go hunting. And we get there, and you know what

700
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: a December morning can do. The temperature falls, the wind

701
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: picks up, and games something moving. And I have seen

702
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: dogs that will go try for twenty minutes and they're like, Okay,

703
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: squirrels aren't moving. Dad, I'm gonna hang out with you,

704
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: and people will tell you like, hey, they're not moving,

705
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: so we're gonna go to the truck. We're gonna go home.

706
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: That's okay. I don't want that. I want to I

707
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: get more satisfaction off of knowing what my dog can

708
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: do when things are tough, you know what I'm saying.

709
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: So that that is the to me, that is the

710
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: biggest con of a feist. If squirrels are moving and

711
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: you and I are, man, we've had a great week

712
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: at work and we want to go kill some squirrels.

713
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna make some dumplings for the you know, the holidays.

714
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: You can't beat them. You cannot beat them. And a

715
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: good fist is gonna be treated. There's not anything you said.

716
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: It's a con you're saying. What are you saying about

717
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: that bad that bad morning? A fist is not gonna

718
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: treat this, Yes, sir, they're going to quit. Okay, the

719
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: you know.

720
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: Get out, I got fist in mind, have never done.

721
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: That in ninety percent of them are are going to

722
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: and that's all right, Like, okay, it's not working out.

723
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: So what would the pros be?

724
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: So why would a pro of a fist obviously other

725
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: than the brains is they are so gamy that they

726
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: are going to tree squirrels with more senses than a

727
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: hound or a curt use, ears, nose, ies everything. So

728
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: like you go on a windy day and leaves are shaken,

729
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: like that fis is watching. You know, they are really

730
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: tuned in with that branch is shaken up there. You

731
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: just holistically cannot beat a fist for killing squirrels. Like

732
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: if you come over in December, and I hope you do,

733
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: to my area and we go squirrel hunting the bottoms,

734
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: I'm leaving my stuff at home because if we're going

735
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: to kill squirrels. I've got squirrel dogs, yeah, but we're

736
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: not gonna tree near the amount like the refuge that

737
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: I hunt the most. I call it Rainy Break. I

738
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: named my first or my second son after that. I

739
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: love it that much. I'll go meet Todd cos in

740
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: the morning, like we're there. He like, I'm going over here.

741
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, cool, I'm going over here this month. He's

742
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: gonna come back with twenty five. I may not even

743
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: carry a gun. If I do, I'm gonna come back

744
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: with ten. So what it is.

745
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: And he's got fist and you don't, and you and

746
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: I know that I don't understand.

747
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: I know that sounds wild. I want a bigger dog

748
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: with more tree power and more endurance and.

749
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: That because you're more competition oriented than yeah, pleasure hunting.

750
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point in life, I am. I love

751
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: to kill a squirrel.

752
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: So so I fis my tree a squirrel and the

753
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: timber out, and he's gonna stay on it, and you're

754
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna kill that squirrel.

755
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

756
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: You want a dog that's just gonna go in and

757
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: be for sure certain, treat one and stay there.

758
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: My best friend in the world, Jamie Bullinger. He's in London, Kentucky.

759
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: He told me one time, like, quit squirrel hunting with

760
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: a shotgun. Like, dude, I've got to No, you don't,

761
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: he said, walk in with the twenty two and shoot

762
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: that squirrel. It's gonna fall right on that dog's head.

763
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: That's gonna keep that dog tight. If we walk up

764
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: to a tree like over here, and the squirrels timbering

765
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: forty yards this way and we're shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting

766
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: over here, distractions, it's nuts. It's great for killing squirrels,

767
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: it's not for the game I'm playing currently.

768
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: I got what I'm saying. So yeah, so it's a cop.

769
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: It's a competition.

770
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I, like I said earlier, I've not been

771
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: at a complint in nearly three years.

772
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: But it's the time style. That's the style of dog.

773
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: On one right now. Yeah, okay, yeah.

774
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you, Joe?

775
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

776
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm contra contradicting myself big time. And I know

777
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: that when I say.

778
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Well, no, I I it makes sense what you're saying.

779
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: I just I your original description of fist. I wasn't

780
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: sure if and I realized not everybody wants a yeah,

781
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: dog that hunts close. But yeah, I tell you what

782
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: around here, boy, I don't know how anybody want one

783
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: to go over two yards.

784
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: As I was driving yesterday, I was like, I definitely

785
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: know why he hunts off mules, and I know why

786
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: he's loving these fists because if I had the squirrel

787
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: hunt here, I would be at your door ever more

788
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: like Clay can I borrel mule because this is I'm

789
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: not from hill country, so yeah, yeah, And there's guys

790
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: in the bottoms where I live at hunt fist and

791
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: like I said, I love them.

792
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: But but I they're in a competition. They're not gonna

793
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: be able to compete with.

794
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: The There are like on any given weekend, there are

795
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: forty to fifty competition hunts going on in the world

796
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 2: in America throughout different states.

797
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Forty one now with the bear grease now that the.

798
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: Bear Grease Classics coming up. So like on any given Saturday,

799
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: there's probably two to three hundred dogs entered in a

800
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: competition hunting. Three of them are going to be fists.

801
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: Really maybe maybe if it's an open hunt. So let

802
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: me build on that. An open hunt is where bring

803
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: what you want, let's go. I don't care how your

804
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: dog's papers, like their how it's spread. Yeah, it's fine. Whatever,

805
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: chihuahua whatever, let's go put in the chihuahua be a

806
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: faight correct, Yeah, squirrels. Yeah, and then and then like

807
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: if like I have mountain curs right now, that's that's

808
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: kind of what I'm doing. I'm kind and join that

809
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: there are cur only hunts, that are feist only hunts. Yeah,

810
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: I went to hunt against everything. So yeah, there's a

811
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: boy in b b Arkansas, great friend of mine, Garrett Key,

812
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: and he's got a fist that is half walker, half feist,

813
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: and she is about twenty five twenty six pounds. She

814
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: is the only one I've ever seen that will go

815
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: on my off to tread squirrel. She'll be on the

816
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: tree like a hound. And she's ever breath treed. She is.

817
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: She's still got some of the positive traits of a fist,

818
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: like ye's and eyes and ears.

819
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: Like we we have went before, like we got we

820
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: got this. Like I don't own a boat. I'm broke,

821
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: so we got my canoe and we get on this island.

822
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: How can a good squirrel dog man be broked?

823
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: It's anyway, you should see my kids eat but uh no.

824
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: We get in my canoe and we get on this

825
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 2: island and she is literally every forty yards boom boom boom,

826
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: Like I've not even been down to pick this one

827
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: up and rack another one in my chamber and she's

828
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: treated again, and it's it's just crazy. But she is

829
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: one out of two hundred that I've seen like that, really,

830
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: And I told Garrett, like, enjoy this. He's like me

831
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 2: and like you. He likes to deal with a young

832
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: dog like you know, And I told him, I enjoy

833
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: this because you might not see it again.

834
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's too hard to replicate and breeding.

835
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: It's it's a wow factor that you hope for when

836
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: you're breeding, but you can't do it every time. Like

837
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: I seen a video and this is kind of going

838
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: off on left field. I've seen a video and these

839
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: guys have got these setters and this dude like throws

840
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: a wing out there and there's like eight pups that

841
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: like walk up instinctively, and I'm pretty sure they're still

842
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: nursing a squirrel dog. The breed holistically today is better

843
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: than it was fifteen years ago. There are more like

844
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: back in the day, you get a litter of six, Like,

845
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: two of them's probably gonna be pretty good dogs. Another

846
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: one might treat the other ones, don't. Squirrel dogs today

847
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: are better, but they are behind bird dogs. I think

848
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: a squirrel dog has the worst job of any hunting

849
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: dog because like you sit in a deer sin and

850
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: watch a squirrel like do they're everywhere? How it pegs

851
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: it like it is in this tree. I'm directly it

852
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: is insane to me. Yeah, it's it's I'm so fascinated

853
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: by it. Maybe I'm small minded, but I just like,

854
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: how did you know to find this?

855
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: One of the great mysteries of the world.

856
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, and uh so that's just I mean,

857
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: how a squirrel dog knows to do to do that

858
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: is just.

859
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: It really is pretty fascinating. I agree with you, just

860
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: having hunting with dogs for a lot of different kinds

861
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: of game, from bear to deer, coons to hogs. A

862
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: squirrel dog. My dad was over here the other day

863
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: and he was looking at O sage and he said, boy,

864
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: she's got a real good nose. I bet doesn't she.

865
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: And I said, well, for a squirrel dog, she does,

866
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: But she didn't have a nose compared to a hound,

867
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: And he was like, what do you mean? And I said,

868
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: imagine having a hound that could smell where a squirrel

869
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: was six hours ago and trying and what that squirrel

870
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: the tracks that squirrel made six hours ago from until

871
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: now no telling where it's at. Yeah, you want that

872
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: squirrel dog to have the right mix of hot track

873
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: cold track. Well, I mean not even barking unless yeah,

874
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: the thing was probably on the ground, I don't know,

875
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. Yeah, am I right? What do you think? Yeah?

876
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: No, you you've nailed it. You want a squirrel dog

877
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: to have the mix of I know they're moving, I'm

878
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: gonna go find a hot one versus they're not moving.

879
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: I need to gamble on this scent that is three

880
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: hours old, and the mixture of that is a fine

881
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: line based on the day. So say you and.

882
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: I've never thought about it. Oh yeah, there that they're Yeah,

883
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: that a dog is actually calibrating, like, boy, there's not

884
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: many out today. I guess I better tree. I guess

885
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: I know there's one was one here two and a

886
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: half hours ago. Versus he goes out and he's just

887
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: like slam dunk and hot ones.

888
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's so in anyone that tells you like, hey,

889
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: I know when squirrels are moving is a lining because

890
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: I have laid away bed at night and thought, why

891
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: we're squirrels moving at two pm today but they weren't

892
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: at six am, Like I don't understand it, and they

893
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 2: they so yeah, so like a dog, So that's where

894
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: you get into Like, so, say we go to a

895
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: competition hunt man, and it's just raining. It's raining, and

896
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: it's fifteen degrees, Like a hound is still gonna get

897
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: treated a fast is not. We're not gonna look at

898
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: anything when we get there unless we get lucky and

899
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: beat it out of a snag. But it's what game

900
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: do you want to play? You know? So but yeah,

901
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: you're right. I mean they've got to figure out what

902
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: kind of track do I need to work for today?

903
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: And okay, that describes it so well.

904
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: And to build on that, like here's the scenario, say

905
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: us three or in a competition hunt we've got a

906
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: sixty minute cast. If you have a dog that knows

907
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: and I have a dog that's younger and like, I

908
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: don't know if I need to try to gamble today

909
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 2: or go find a hot one and he makes two

910
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: trees he's beat me. Time's wasted, he's already done it,

911
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: and mine's not smart enough to know, like, here's what

912
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: I gotta do today. So I mean having one that

913
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: can differentiate that is so big and uh, that's that's

914
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: what drives me, you know.

915
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what drives me. The original question, I was

916
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: asking you to describe the breeds, and we described the Feist.

917
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, and and uh okay, my bad. What no, no, no, no,

918
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: what you just you described before we started that the

919
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Feist world is kind of like the mafia. Uh can

920
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: you can you describe that to me before we get

921
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: onto the other breeds. So that's the direction.

922
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: Word the fast. The fast guys are like, ah, man,

923
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: I don word this, so just tell it like it is.

924
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just going to There are different blood

925
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: lines of Fast. There are Mullen's Fast, Booster Bread Fast,

926
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: Champ Fast, Williams Fast, Barger Fist, mc Andrew Fast. I'm

927
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: sure that I've missed a real prominent one. Some of

928
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: those guys are line eating their dogs. They Todd Cosey's

929
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: fis derived from Streak. Streak is the most famous mountain

930
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 2: curve producer ever. He was a cur. Todd has line

931
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: bread these dogs, and when you line breed, you're going

932
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: to lose size. It's the same with any animal. I'm

933
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: really I don't know genetics, but that's what I'm told.

934
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: So Todd has stayed straight on that. Then there are

935
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: guys like the champbread dogs. Champ himself was half bird dog.

936
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: He came from Almah, Arkansas. Bill Douglas, James Quick, those

937
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: are two guys that really pioneered the Champ.

938
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: Line one hundred with Bill Douglas one time, did.

939
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 2: You really I did the best dog man I've ever seen? Yeah,

940
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: born none. I could get on that story too. But

941
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: so those guys might have added something different. They don't

942
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: like to intertwine based on the talent of their dogs,

943
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: so they bring up these different associations of fists to

944
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: fit what their talent is. You see what I'm saying.

945
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, so they so they get they get real,

946
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: they get real territorial.

947
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 2: Yeah very yeah got that. Yeah, it's it's we're fighting

948
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: over a food boat. Yeah, I've got better. Well, I've

949
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 2: got better. Well, we use these rules, we use these rules.

950
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: Now, I'm kind of a I'm kind of a booster

951
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: fiest man.

952
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: Same to my core. I don't hunt with Todd as

953
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: much as I used to.

954
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

955
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: I think I could call him today and be like, Todd,

956
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: I've got a pup, I really need some help. I

957
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: need to kill his dogs and squirrels, and he would

958
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: drop what he was doing and come help me. He

959
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: does not have what I am truly after, but I

960
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: have a lot of respect and love for his dogs.

961
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, she's just got a style of dog.

962
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: He has a He's pioneered it. He has stayed on

963
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: the course and he has replicated four years. He knows

964
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: exactly what buttons to push with each dog because they're

965
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: all the same. You see what I'm saying. That's that's

966
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: what's amazing about what Todd's done.

967
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah that is cool.

968
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, his cheeks will be red when he's hearing

969
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: this because I've not spoken that nicely to him in

970
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: a decade. So that was your one freebie. Yeah yeah, yeah.

971
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: Well I've told a lot of people about Todd Coles

972
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: because a lot of people ask me about dogs, and

973
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: I've just been like eight contact ca Todd Coles.

974
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I try to get with him like once a year.

975
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: It didn't it didn't happen last year. I was we

976
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: had too much going on. And he has this this

977
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: thing he calls booster Fest, which like he gets in

978
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: this certain location at this time of year and all

979
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: the guys with a booster dog pull up and like

980
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: over here, like a dude's on a black stone, like

981
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: cooking up some breakfasts and over here. Yeah, oh it's

982
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: a party. Yeah.

983
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: And then like it's kind of like the Burger's Classic.

984
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Burgerge classic. Yeah yeah, no, no, mean.

985
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: Different.

986
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: They don't have T shirts yet and you guys do,

987
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: so of course we do that. Yeah, enter promo code

988
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: one hundred pending, but that's my catchphrase. Yeah. And then

989
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 2: they're just gonna disperse and there may be like six

990
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: six seven groups of guys hunting together and then come

991
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: back and like there's two hundred squirrels that they've got cleaned.

992
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 4: Okay for the non squirrel dog hunter.

993
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm sure there's lots of people listening

994
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 3: who don't have a frame of reference to put it in. Sure,

995
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: when you're going out squirrel hunting, how many dogs are

996
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: you normally taking?

997
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: One? Just one? That's what I like to do If

998
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: us three go hunting and you've got a old spot,

999
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: now I've got old brownie, why do we want to

1000
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: take opportunity away from each other? You see what I'm saying.

1001
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: Let's all be together at the tree. Because your dog's

1002
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: gonna go over here and tree, and I'm gonna be

1003
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: over here in tree. We're not gonna see each other

1004
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: all morning. So why are we hunting two dogs? That's

1005
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: what I like to do. I want to go to

1006
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: the tree and talk with you guys. Every tree I

1007
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: walk to is like the first one I walked. What's

1008
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: this tree look like? Is there a vine? Is it

1009
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: got a hole in it? Is it got a nest?

1010
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: What's it look like? How many squirrels are in that tree?

1011
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: Because I don't know about here, but when squirrels are

1012
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: running in my country, you might shake the vine in

1013
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: like four go like in one tree. Right.

1014
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1015
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: I want to be there making those memories with you guys.

1016
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: So I just yeah, I hunt one at the time.

1017
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: Some guys will hunt too, know and we My friend

1018
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: Travis Tate, when I was younger, he called me a soldier.

1019
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: So a soldier in our lingo is someone that doesn't

1020
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: have a dog, and it's gonna shake vines for Travis

1021
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: so he can shoot it. So you're like a footman,

1022
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: you know. So it depends on how many soldiers you

1023
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: have with you, Like I love to go with one

1024
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: good dog and about five guys so we can surround

1025
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: that tree, take turns shooting vines. Men make fun of

1026
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: each other when we miss.

1027
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: I mean, just what a time, which inevitably happens if

1028
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: you're shooting a twenty, especially.

1029
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Especially shooting just the only flaw, the only flaw. With

1030
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: the way that we hunt in big groups, it's like

1031
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: pros and cons when we go when we scroll on

1032
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: on mules with a big group, which I think two

1033
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: years ago we had seventeen mules and like eight eight

1034
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: dogs out at the same time. Yeah, for dog work,

1035
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: it's not the best. You wouldn't want to.

1036
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: Not promoting independence at that point.

1037
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it and and it's hard on all

1038
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: the dogs. None of the dog do look as good

1039
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: as they would on their own, some of the dogs. Yeah,

1040
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of chaos. Yeah, but it's you know,

1041
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: it's worth it for the amount of fun that you have.

1042
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: And there is enough difference in the dogs that everybody

1043
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: seeing the difference. Yeah, and you know kind of maybe

1044
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: giving a hard time about this dog or that dog,

1045
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: or maybe not really when guys aren't making fun of

1046
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: your dog and he's doing bad or good, you know

1047
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: that you're probably getting under their skin someway.

1048
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Actually, yeah, that's just that's like

1049
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 2: a wide glove to the face if you're talking bad

1050
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: about my dog and we're out there together, like, oh quit.

1051
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: You know, here's the deal, though, I've never I can

1052
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: meet a complete stranger and we go squirrel hunting together

1053
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: and then we're best friends. Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah,

1054
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: like you care if I ramble real quick, ramble best

1055
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: killing I've ever been on. We are down south. I'm

1056
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: with my friend Travis Joe Collier, and he's like, hey,

1057
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: I got some boys gonna meet us in the slip.

1058
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: We're getting my boat. Travis always keeps like a eight

1059
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: sixty ambush like a tank. It's a barge. So six

1060
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: of us get in this boat and we go to

1061
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: this island. I don't know these guys like from Adam.

1062
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: We killed forty two squirrels in a little under an hour.

1063
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: The Wow, best hunting I've ever been on and it

1064
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: gets it's getting dark, So we get on the boat

1065
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: and we're getting ready like to head back to the slip,

1066
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: and the sky is like orange pink red, and ducks

1067
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: are like heading to the roost. And I was like,

1068
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: try to kill that motor. And we just sat there

1069
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: and just kind of looked up and like took in

1070
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: the blessings, took in like nature, like how lucky are

1071
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: we right now? And every time I see one of

1072
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: those guys, those memories fled back. I've never had a

1073
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: squirrel hunt, even if we don't have a great hunt,

1074
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 2: I've never had one where I don't make memories.

1075
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1076
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's just kind of what's I don't do

1077
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: this for the dog work as much as I do

1078
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: the people. Like I'm in a group. I'm in a

1079
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: group text I'm in like five of them actually, but

1080
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: the main one justin Hitchins is in Ohio, Lane Parks, Tennessee.

1081
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: Scott Cassiopo is in Mississippi, uh and then me and

1082
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: Garrett in Arkansas. And I talked to those guys daily

1083
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: and uh men, I really care about what's going on

1084
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: in their lives. You know. We keep it up with

1085
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: each other's kids. Like Hitchens is in Oklahoma right now

1086
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: on vacation. Lane, Lane's working. You know, we keep up

1087
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: with each other, Nathan Young, and that's the just the

1088
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: camaraderie is so huge to me. And I'm sure you

1089
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: see that, like in your profession you get to do

1090
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: man I and I'm clapping for you guys so hard

1091
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: because you guys are doing all these different things and

1092
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: that comes with meeting people, you know. So yeah, just fellowship.

1093
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: That's really cool to hear to hear you say that,

1094
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: and and to say that so well, yeah, that's uh.

1095
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: I wrote that down before I got in here.

1096
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, yeah, no, it's you know, squirrel hunting to

1097
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: the to the uh, to the to the actual fundamentals

1098
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: of squirrel hunting. Why it's exciting. Like I spent most

1099
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: of my life being real serious, I'm big game hunting,

1100
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: which is almost entirely solo sure, I mean truly, like

1101
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: bow hunting white tails, most bear hunts, unless you're hunting

1102
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: with dogs, is going to be this like ultra solo hunt.

1103
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: And I do that almost instinctually. It's like I just

1104
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: have this drive that to go that I just almost

1105
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: can't quit when I go squirrel hunting, I feel like

1106
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to have fun. When I started hunting

1107
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: with and I didn't, I didn't get squirrel dogs until

1108
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the squirrel dogs I've got right now are

1109
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: the first ones I had. I've not been doing this

1110
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: my whole life. And when I when I got those dogs,

1111
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: I was it touched the same places that having a

1112
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: coon dog and what I saw in the bear dog guys,

1113
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: just on a smaller, much easier, more approachable scale. Like

1114
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: to go bear hunting with hounds, you gotta go on

1115
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: an expedition, yeah, like you might. You gotta have a

1116
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: bunch of dogs, you gotta have a good place, you

1117
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: gotta have a bunch of ground. There's a lot at stake.

1118
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: It's hard and like and there's some wonderful things about

1119
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: bear hunting with hounds. Yeah, never done it. Even even

1120
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: a coon hunt is you know, you gotta go at night.

1121
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: It's a little wider scale. You need more land.

1122
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

1123
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: A squirrel hunt has all the same positives of those things,

1124
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: but it's you can squirrel hunt on.

1125
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: Forty acres no pressure, anytime.

1126
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 4: You can.

1127
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: You can go on most public land in the country

1128
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: and not feel a ton of pressure. I mean there

1129
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: are places where there's a squirreling pressure for sure. My

1130
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: point is it's it's accessible, and it is. I would

1131
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: my mind was blown by how fun it is to

1132
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: walk up to a squirrel tree and to see a

1133
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: squirrel timbering out through and we're shooting them. Buddy, We're

1134
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: chasing them and shooting them.

1135
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1136
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: Uh you know, well, and there's no lock. You don't

1137
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: have to get new gear every year. Yeah, I mean

1138
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: right where what you want? Yeah, you've nailed it. I

1139
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: mean I agree with you one hundred percent. I have

1140
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: like a little thing and I hope it's okay that

1141
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: I say this, but I have like a headshot album

1142
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: on my phone, Like I home with the twenty two

1143
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: most like to get up and see a squirrel still,

1144
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: and I've got like a good rest man. I'm like, yes, gotay.

1145
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: So I take a lot of flak from Steve Ranella

1146
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: for carrying a shotgun. Uh yeah, we're with dogs, and hey,

1147
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: I get it.

1148
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: I prefer Yeah.

1149
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: How often would you say that the squirrels that your

1150
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: dogs are treeing are sitting still where you can shoot them?

1151
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: The twenties so like we're in the South, like it

1152
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: could be mid December and the leaves aren't fully off yet.

1153
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: So I mean, and here here's like a whole new thing.

1154
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: Guys are using thermals. Now I don't have girls. I

1155
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: don't have one. Yeah, they're using thermal monoculars to find squirrels.

1156
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: I'll have one someday. But uh, where I'm at, like,

1157
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: the trees are super tall, man, So I'm not gonna

1158
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: walk in there alone and see that squirrel. I've got

1159
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: to move him if I want to kill him, or

1160
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: if I want to show him to a judging compent.

1161
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: You might if you might be, you might be treated

1162
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: on a three foot yeah diameter at the base yeah,

1163
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty foot tall yeah oak.

1164
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and twenty foot over there there's like another one

1165
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: and then another one. So those branches are I've got

1166
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: to move him, so yeah, yeah, like shotguns for sure

1167
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: in that in that type deal. Uh, They're they're not

1168
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: gonna set still very long where I'm at, the only

1169
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 2: time a squirrel is gonna set still where I'm at

1170
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: is in the spring, and it's a young, dumb squirrel.

1171
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. They don't They just kind

1172
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: of walk up. They don't know to.

1173
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: So you're carrying a twenty two though.

1174
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: I carry a twenty two because I know myself. And

1175
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: if i'm alone, squirrel hunting a loone's tough. I don't

1176
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: care where you are, what kind of timber you're in.

1177
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: If I'm alone, I'm gonna walk up there and just

1178
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: be like bam, bam bam with my shotgun to try

1179
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: to move him. Yeah, I'm just wasting loads trying to

1180
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: scatter that dude.

1181
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1182
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: Uh and that gets expensive because I love to pull

1183
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: a trigger. Yeah bad. Uh and I and I'm the

1184
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: worst shot you'll ever meet. But uh it. And here's

1185
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: another thing. If I find that squirrel with my twenty two,

1186
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: he's dead. If he's sitting still, he's dead and he's

1187
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: gonna fall straight down. And that helped keep my dog tight.

1188
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: I don't want them timbering and going with them. Yeah,

1189
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: so it's kind of what do you want to do?

1190
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: You know? But no, if US three go hunt like

1191
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: you guys, come on in US three, I'm carrying a shotgun.

1192
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: If we're killing, I'm carrying a shotgun. Okay, Okay, there

1193
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: are a lot of.

1194
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: Shooting The twelve gauge twenty gauge.

1195
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: Twelve gage, no twelve gauge with like high brass sixes

1196
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: or five's. And you guys heard of Rob Roberts. He's

1197
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: there out of baseball. He built me a choke too. Yeah,

1198
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: I should have been Nelli super ninety. And uh that's

1199
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: what's worked for me because that stuff is so tall.

1200
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, And another thing is like a lot

1201
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: of times when I'm raising a dog. I mean, a

1202
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: young dog needs squirrels. For sure, you gotta give him

1203
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: a few. But when I get them to a certain point,

1204
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: I may don't even carry one. Matter of fact, most

1205
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: of the time I don't. And if I've hunted Monday

1206
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: one hundred, Tuesday one hundred, Wednesday, Thursday, I've got ball practice,

1207
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: so I don't go Friday. I want to reward that dog,

1208
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take my twenty two. I'm only kill

1209
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: one or two. Like if you look at my Instagram

1210
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: or you look at any of my posts, a lot

1211
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: of times you'll see my dog and me in two

1212
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: or three squirrels. That is sufficient, Okay, I don't want

1213
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: to clean over that.

1214
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe they treat a bunch more bigger than

1215
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: shoot them.

1216
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you that is sufficient. Yeah, you don't

1217
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: have to.

1218
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to kill them.

1219
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: But now if y'all are like Tyler, I'm coming over,

1220
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: let's go, let's get it. Yeah, I'm gonna have like

1221
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: three boxes of real blues in my back and maybe

1222
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: like some in my front pocket and look like a

1223
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: scarface out there, like, yeah, I'm bringing the shotgun. Okay, yeah,

1224
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I keep getting on rent.

1225
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: So the other kinds of dogs, we've only talked about fist.

1226
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: That was an hour ago when we started that. Yep, yeah,

1227
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: all right, mountain curse, mountain curves, mountain curse. That's what

1228
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing right now. They are a little bit bigger

1229
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: than a fist. The thirty to forty five ish pounds.

1230
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: Now mountain curves. If you have an original mountain curve

1231
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: bread dog with papers has been bred to another car,

1232
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: it is not outside. So they are doing the same

1233
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: thing with that. The some of the fist guys are

1234
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: doing both with curs. Just a little bit taller dog, yeah,

1235
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: a little bit, and.

1236
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: That dog is almost always gonna look about the same.

1237
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a brindle dog.

1238
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: There are some Kimer mountain curs that are yellow and

1239
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: there's some like, here's the deal, dude. All mountain curves

1240
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: have some hounding them. It's just what it is. Somebody

1241
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: slips some in there. It happened. So there might be

1242
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: some black, there might be some white patches of white socks,

1243
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 2: but brindle's pretty much the deal.

1244
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: They bobbing most of their tails. Yeah, yeah, mountain curves.

1245
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: Very few mountain curves are born matural bobbed lots of

1246
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: fire star. Because we've been line breeding this trait for.

1247
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: So long, they're just losing their tail.

1248
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I guess.

1249
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, But culturally you're cutting the tail of a mountain fast.

1250
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: Do you ever have any long tail mountain feasts.

1251
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: I have not seen a long tail mountain fist.

1252
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 4: That's it.

1253
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen.

1254
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: I've not Yeah, I'm sure it does. I've not seen it.

1255
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: I've seen long tail tree and curse that have a

1256
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: lot of hound or bird dog in them that are white.

1257
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: A white tail is okay with me on a heavy

1258
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 2: hound bred dog a mountain curve.

1259
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: I do not want to tell Funny the tail thing,

1260
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: because if you gave me the best coon dog in

1261
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: the country and it had a bobtail, I would be like, I'm.

1262
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 2: Out, No, that dog's supposed to have a tail.

1263
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, if a coon dog is supposed to have

1264
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: a tail, like I just I wouldn't even get excited

1265
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: about walking to the tree. I mean, I'd just be like,

1266
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bobtail dog. I mean, yeah, sure

1267
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: we got a trick, we got a coon, but with

1268
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: a squirrel dog. I can't imagine my face with long tail. No,

1269
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: Like I want to see that tail doing like this. Yeah,

1270
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: that little nub little up just going very con forted.

1271
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: I don't want a brindled dog to have a tail.

1272
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: It's just not for me. Yeah yeah, any brindle dog,

1273
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: any including the big ones with long ears.

1274
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: Oh I've gotten a hound.

1275
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to plot a hand with a tail really, So,

1276
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: so I'm different there just because they're they're black and brindle.

1277
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I see I see walker dog a black and tan.

1278
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: That's a okay. And I guess it's like when you

1279
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: buy a pickup and you decide, like what kind of

1280
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: running boards you want, or like do you want a

1281
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: ten windows? It's all it's just like this is what

1282
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: I want. Like, I don't like call opinions.

1283
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting a plot this mont Yeah, and it's it

1284
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: will have a long tail. Okay, well it's not brindle though,

1285
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty dark. Yes, I mean it's got brandle in.

1286
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: That's okay to be Yeah, that's okay.

1287
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna appear almost black.

1288
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1289
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: As Roy Clark said, the correct color for a plot

1290
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: is when you're about thirty feet away, you think it's black.

1291
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: Right when you walk up to it, you realize it's

1292
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: actually got some.

1293
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: Brindle, And I like what that is. I call that

1294
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: a black brindle. Yeah, that's what I call it. Yeah,

1295
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: and I love that color. Yeah.

1296
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so mountain curs that's what you're hunting.

1297
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: I'm hunting.

1298
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: Are you hunting original mountain curves? Like registered original mountain curse?

1299
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: I have two right now. Like I said, up was

1300
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: off of Sassy. She is a thundersport bread mountain curve. Okay,

1301
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: So mister Allen Franklin in Ohio has been breeding these

1302
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: dogs up in bottom. Her pedigrees are a lot close

1303
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: to the same. And then I have a dog I

1304
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: called Nova, who could be the most natural I've ever had.

1305
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: Like that's a big statement for me. Like maybe a

1306
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: man in Louisiana called me Doucy do coding. He's okay,

1307
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: never met the dude. He's okay. I've got a litter,

1308
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: I've got a puppy. I want to send to you

1309
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: the female. I'm a female guy. You will not see

1310
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: a male at my house preference, so I'm like, cool,

1311
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: send it up here. So like this puff has trade

1312
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 2: five squirrels and it's not been alive one hundred and

1313
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: fifty days on this earth, like just naturally. Like I

1314
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: took her the other day and she's just hunting, hunting,

1315
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: and knows like locks straight up and she her back

1316
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: end like sets down like a cutting horse, and she's

1317
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: just like and I'm like, you don't even know.

1318
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing the math. I can't do it quick enough.

1319
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty days, four five months.

1320
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 4: Five months.

1321
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay.

1322
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: So she's five months old right now.

1323
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: No, she's not. She's still four months old, four months

1324
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: so maybe my masth hugs sorry.

1325
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: But it's all already. I'm just like straight up like and.

1326
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 2: It's innocent, it's pure. It's not been around me long

1327
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: enough for me to put any kind of influence on it.

1328
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,479
Speaker 2: Like that is what it is. I've not an.

1329
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: Original mountain curve.

1330
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1331
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another thing. It is built. It has the

1332
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: confirmation of a metal dog. Huge long snow, very wide chest,

1333
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: huge front feet, big hawks. I can see every muscle

1334
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: on her already, and I am very fascinated with her

1335
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: right now. She has she she's the type of pup

1336
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: like and then I've just gotten so lucky because I

1337
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: have went through some pups that didn't turn out that

1338
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: I don't talk about. But she's the type of pup

1339
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: that you're like, Okay, if I take off the day

1340
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: before Thanksgiving and the day after Thanksgiving, that's five days

1341
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 2: a hunting, but I only have to use two days

1342
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: of PTL. Likeually, I'm getting ready to lose a crop

1343
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: over this pup, Like I'm ready. It's it's fixing to

1344
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 2: me on in pot.

1345
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nova is what you call her.

1346
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: I named her Nova because my wife wouldn't let me

1347
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: call either of my daughter's Nova, which I just I

1348
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: thought that was a cool name. Nova. Yeah, I like it.

1349
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: It's it's a good kind of like one syllable dog name.

1350
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: No is what I've been calling her, like on paper,

1351
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: it's Nova, but I'm definitely a one syllable guy. Yeah okay, yeah, but.

1352
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, am okay.

1353
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 3: That's dangerous calling a dog no, isn't it?

1354
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then telling it no yeah yeah yeah.

1355
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: My wife actually brought that up. So I don't really

1356
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 2: talk to my dogs out in the woods like I don't.

1357
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: I don't hoop and holler. I'm not like hurry up,

1358
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: hurry up, right up, like I unsnap it. I want

1359
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: you to go get treed, and then when you get treated,

1360
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put my leash on you at the tree

1361
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: and like pat pat the job, and that there's not

1362
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: much conversation there.

1363
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:51,479
Speaker 4: Really.

1364
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to influence that dog at all.

1365
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: If I have to that that that way, if it's

1366
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: time for me to influence, it's gonna pay attention to

1367
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: me because it's not used to me hooping with me.

1368
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: Gotcha, you're gonna waste that communication with Yeah, it's in trivial.

1369
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: And maybe I think too much. But I had a

1370
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: man tell me, a man named Dean, Right, So I go.

1371
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: I go to the World Hunt in like twenty seventeen

1372
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: or something, and it's my first time, never been to

1373
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 2: a World Hunt. It's in Limb between the Lakes, and Kentucky,

1374
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: and I walk in and this guy's sitting over there

1375
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: by himself, man, and he's got like the greasiest hair

1376
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: and like like just like old stains and holes in

1377
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: his pants. I'm like, who's that like? Man, his name's Dean.

1378
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: He's spend the game for like forty years. No one

1379
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: likes him. I heard forty years. So I get up

1380
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: and I walk straight to him, like okay, this guy

1381
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: doesn't teach me something. And we get to talking, you know,

1382
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: and about two minutes in I realize he's just the

1383
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: world's giant teddy bear. I mean, he's just the nicest

1384
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: dude ever. Maybe maybe he just comes office like anyway.

1385
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 2: So so we get to talk in and he's like, look,

1386
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: I watched one of your videos and you were kind

1387
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: of like really talking to your dog quite a bit

1388
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: of the tree. He's like why. I was like why.

1389
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: I was just excited. He was like, I'm gonna tell

1390
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: you something, son. He's like, you yell to a dog,

1391
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 2: and you whisper to a dog, and see which one

1392
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: that dog has to work harder to pay attention to.

1393
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, Yeah, So when the time

1394
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: comes that I have to yell at that dog. He's

1395
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna listen to me because I've not done it. It's

1396
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: whole life.

1397
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 4: Hm.

1398
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's a thing.

1399
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it isn't, But you know there's a correlation in

1400
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: that with training a mule. Sure, Like if you want

1401
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: to if you want a mule to be soft, yeah

1402
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: and super responsive to you. Yeah, if the first time

1403
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: you step on it you start yanking around its head, yeah,

1404
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: and spurring it and like basically in its language, yelling

1405
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: at it, you will never give it a chance to

1406
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: be soft. But the best mule guys are the ones

1407
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: that are given the most nuanced cues. And that animal

1408
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: is just like bouncing. And so when you do have

1409
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: to get loud with it, and not loud verbally, but

1410
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: like in the cues that you're giving it, Yeah, it's

1411
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna come unglued and do what you wanted to correct.

1412
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: Maybe my body language is a little bigger, my tone

1413
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: of voice is a little larger, but just like that mule,

1414
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 2: like it's gonna pay attention because it's not seen that before, right,

1415
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 2: and then and then you're speaking my language, right and.

1416
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: Then it it it moves and responds off very gentle cues. Yeah,

1417
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: as opposed to yeah, an amateur riding, which which I

1418
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: have been in the squirrel dog world and the mule world. Yeah,

1419
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, yelling at your dog or you know, I.

1420
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: Have seen it, and I've seen some guys just absolutely

1421
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 2: hooping and hollering at their dog and the dog is

1422
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: just like so guarded, so jaded, you know, just walls

1423
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: built up, and I'm like, I don't know that you're

1424
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: gonna fix this issue because that dog isn't paying attention

1425
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: to you. It's just trying to literally survive this scenario.

1426
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know how gonna tear, but yeah, listen,

1427
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: and didn't tell me that went like a long waist.

1428
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 2: So when I'm in the woods, like until I get

1429
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: this dog solid, like I may we may be high

1430
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: fiving or something or laughing, the dog's on to pay

1431
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: attention to me. Never it never has because I've been

1432
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: so quiet that like literally I have three commands that

1433
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: I like, come here, stay treed, and go get tree.

1434
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 2: That's all I want you to do. And it sounds

1435
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: so simple, but repetition that I unsnap you your treed.

1436
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: You stay there till I'll pull you off the tree.

1437
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: We're done, those three things you do that for like

1438
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen months. Boom, that's what that dog gets.

1439
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 4: Wow.

1440
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: So keeping it all the same is is so big.

1441
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: But here's the cool part. Like so like Bear and

1442
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 2: Shep shepherd, yep, so they are Like I was looking

1443
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 2: at some of your posts, like any father wants their

1444
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: kid to be successful humans and like those two like

1445
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: obviously they are killing it, like like Bear is out

1446
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: here casually digging bear pits with his own homemade bow,

1447
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: and Shep's one of the better ballplayers in the state

1448
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 2: right now, I'm told. So they're similar, but they're probably

1449
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 2: so different, right, you know, my kids are so every

1450
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: pupp I get. I'm like, what are you going to be?

1451
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: How are you gonna act? What is your demeanor? And

1452
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't compare children and squirrel dogs, but I do,

1453
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: but I do, Like honestly, like my little boy Rainy

1454
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: needs whooped four times a day, probably will be in

1455
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 2: jail by fifteen.

1456
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: Now, don't say that, dad, come out the oldest.

1457
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 2: Boy, Jase, I can get like eye level, like Jace,

1458
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: I really didn't like the way that went here. Let's

1459
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: do this and he'll melt. I mean, that's my daughter's

1460
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 2: the same way. I mean, they're so so different, and

1461
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 2: I think that's wonderful. Me and my brothers are different,

1462
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: and I think that that's what. You know, God made

1463
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: us all different, and there's these different genes and different ideologies,

1464
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 2: and you know, what works for you may not work

1465
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: for me, and that just fascinates me. I wish that

1466
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 2: I would have went and got like a background in

1467
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 2: genetics in something to understand it more, because things like

1468
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: that really tickle me.

1469
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, man, I tell you what dog to

1470
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: me have are are like Mendel, the famous geneticists that

1471
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: learned about like this monk. Yeah, and the I don't

1472
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: know when it was the seventeen hundreds, whenever it was,

1473
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: he like was like breeding flowers and like pollinating hand

1474
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: pollinating flowers and getting different crosses and basically he mapped out, Yeah,

1475
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: this like genetic architecture that you know, people still use today.

1476
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: What I've seen with with dog breeders that are like

1477
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: dead serious, yeah, like they kind of have a functional

1478
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: knowledge of genetics that is pretty amazing. And in some ways,

1479
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to say supernatural, but I guess that's

1480
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: a good word. Like just like instinctual. Yeah, like an

1481
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: instinctual like if you do, if you input this into

1482
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: this line, it's going to produce this. Yeah, it's pretty

1483
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: fascinating to the guys that are really good and all

1484
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: those guys too, if they're really being honest, and most

1485
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: of them are pretty humble too. Some of them aren't,

1486
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: but they they say, oh man, we produced a lot

1487
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: of error before we got to this, but once we

1488
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: learn this, we kept going.

1489
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: And I mean, yeah, it's so like you and I are,

1490
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: like I'm sitting here like, I'm so thankful for your

1491
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: forty years of work here. Yeah, I'm thankful for what

1492
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: you've done. Now I have something to go off of.

1493
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: You do you do you have a desire as much

1494
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: as you love it and are interested in to like

1495
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: have a line of dogs.

1496
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I want to clap for the

1497
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 2: men who have put in the work, and I want

1498
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: to give them the credit and hope that I can

1499
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: breed that stuff together, which is what they've done, because

1500
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: it's worked, So why do I want to change it? Okay,

1501
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, I've made three crosses my whole life.

1502
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 2: I think that's awesome. But I don't. I don't want

1503
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: to try to like recreate it.

1504
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: So what is what's your strength? Is it? Hanling dogs?

1505
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: Raising starting dogs?

1506
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: Certain dogs is my strength.

1507
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why people would have given you a dog

1508
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I want you to have this dog.

1509
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I've gotten really lucky and made contact with

1510
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: the right people and got the right line of dogs

1511
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: and it's just worked out. Yeah. I'm thirty four. I

1512
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: know a man in Oklahoma, Keith Sutton Miller. He's seventy

1513
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: six and can get through the woods better than you

1514
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: two and me like the dude's mountain goat, And like

1515
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: I pray that I'm fit enough and healthy enough and

1516
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: have the time to do this for the next thirty

1517
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: forty years. That I love it that much. But yeah, man,

1518
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 2: you you get the right the right thing going. And

1519
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: it's just to me. I mean it's there's nothing else

1520
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: important to me right now, family obviously, but like other

1521
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: than that, I'm not wasting my time doing anything else.

1522
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: Like I could low key be a like closet crappie fishermen.

1523
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: I would love to be, but I don't have time

1524
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: for it. You got to you got too many dogs. Yeah,

1525
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 2: start and and what you said just a minute ago.

1526
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 2: I wanted to touch on that about you got to

1527
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 2: be brutally honest about what you've got. Yeah, that's so true.

1528
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 2: That's like I was raised by a perfect greg Asberry

1529
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: was a perfectionist. Is a perfectionist. Happy birthday, Dad, today's birthday.

1530
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: Wow.

1531
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: And he demanded that from this kid's his employees, blah

1532
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 2: blah blah. So honestly, I was about thirty years old, Todd.

1533
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: I appreciated that I didn't like it, and then I

1534
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: was like, so I over analyzed and like nitpick everything

1535
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 2: in my life. So I had a gip a couple

1536
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: of years ago that was everything I wanted her to be,

1537
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: except she did not have any mouth as a young dog.

1538
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: She just did not have that mouth, and I have

1539
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: to have it. I cannot hear very well. And I

1540
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: didn't breed her, and sometimes I think I should have.

1541
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: Maybe the right student could have brought it up. I've

1542
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: got a buddy that's got a dog that's really, really,

1543
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: really quick, but she will not stay on the tree.

1544
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: She's just gonna follow that squirrel. And we're not breeding her.

1545
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:54,879
Speaker 2: I mean, to the right people.

1546
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: Really know exactly what you want.

1547
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah I do. Yeah, so yeah, young dogs, young

1548
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: dogs are my forte. I don't care about a five

1549
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: year old finished dog that I don't care. You guys

1550
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 2: have done your work, Like Lebron James is like what

1551
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: else has he got to prove to me? Like, let's

1552
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: let's go to this next this next class. Yeah. So yeah,

1553
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: that's me and I try to raise one one or

1554
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: two every year.

1555
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: So man, we're we've we've moved along feist. We don't

1556
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: have to go into as much detail, but I mean

1557
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: what other breeds were, So just.

1558
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: A hound a hound or like a bird dog hound

1559
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: cross would be would be the other.

1560
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of crossing and stuff. There's some some

1561
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: dog pursuits. People get a big kick out of papers.

1562
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: I feel like the squirrel dog world is a little

1563
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: less uh interested than that.

1564
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: It is the company that I like the most. NSD

1565
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: has a junior futurity program.

1566
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: N SD stands for.

1567
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: National Sporting Dog. They have DNA parentage in their papers,

1568
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 2: So that doesn't tell you like how much of what

1569
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 2: is in your dog. That just proves that my dog

1570
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 2: is off this dog and this dog like that is

1571
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 2: its parents. So if you pay that up and you

1572
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 2: get your dog in the junior program. It can hunt

1573
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: in junior hunts till it's three years old, meaning only

1574
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: hunt against younger dogs. That is really the biggest thing

1575
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: going right now. But if you, if you, I could

1576
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 2: call a guy right now who I got off the

1577
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: phone with yesterday and be like, hey, I've got this dog.

1578
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: This is what she is, this is what you can

1579
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 2: do with her to date. I don't have any papers.

1580
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: He don't care. Yeah, we don't care. Like most of

1581
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: the time, I get puppy papers and I pull up,

1582
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, I pay them up, do the swab the

1583
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 2: cheek thing, and I put that in my drawer and

1584
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: then like I get ready to sell it, I'm like, crap,

1585
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 2: what other than papers, I don't care. Yeah. Yeah, I

1586
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 2: mean it's nice to know. It's not to be able

1587
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: to look back and see what was what you know? Yeah,

1588
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,919
Speaker 2: but no, not a huge deal. Yeah.

1589
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, man, that's incredible. Yeah that's uh. Your your

1590
01:17:55,640 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: your passion and knowledge of what you're good at is

1591
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:00,839
Speaker 1: is unique.

1592
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1593
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1594
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 2: Uh. Like I said, I've been watching you guys for

1595
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 2: a long time and just the things you guys are pursuing, Like, man,

1596
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm laughing for y'all so hard because you guys are

1597
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 2: you guys are living living the life and obviously very

1598
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 2: passionate about it. And uh, man, it's it's great to watch.

1599
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 2: It's great to watch someone who's good at something exceeding it,

1600
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: you know, especially for for a career. And yeah, I

1601
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: can't wait to see you guys do next. But uh,

1602
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: I may be like a two. My wife doesn't call

1603
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 2: it my addiction. She causing my affliction. Yeah, uh, And

1604
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm I'm on the phone all the time with guys

1605
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: and we're talking about this and that, this dog and

1606
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: that dog. And yeah, it's just it's just what drives me, man,

1607
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: and I love it so much.

1608
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, my buddy Michael in there.

1609
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: Man, I know the name, Uh sounds really familiar now.

1610
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,799
Speaker 1: He told me that he had communicate with you at something.

1611
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: Michael Michael has been my I call him my squirrel

1612
01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: hunting uh Jedi masters. Yeah, Uh sounds like I I

1613
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: wish I wish he could have been here today. Yeah,

1614
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 1: we rode mules yesterday afternoon. But Michael's a great guy.

1615
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1616
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: I just wondered if you knew he's from Debates little area.

1617
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: But the name sounds so familiar, but it doesn't ring

1618
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: a bell. Yeah, yeah, I talked. I talked to a

1619
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: lot of people through squirrel dogs, so yeah, lots of folks. Man.

1620
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So the World Championship Squirrel Cookoff is coming up

1621
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: in September here in Arkansas, which we'll probably have Joe

1622
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: Wilson on here pretty soon to talk about that. But

1623
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: me and Brent usually try to get up there. I

1624
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: wish we could have more of a squirrel dog presence there.

1625
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's about cooking squirrels, you know, that's kind

1626
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: of the main emphasis there. It's a squirrel cooking competition. Yeah,

1627
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: we need to we need to get like I don't know,

1628
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1629
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 2: They usually reach out to me for some meat yearly,

1630
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 2: and and last year I gave the year before I did.

1631
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: Last year, I was able to give them quite a bit.

1632
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: I don't have any frozen this year. But what they're

1633
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 2: doing is so cool. I've never had to go. Yeah,

1634
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: never got to go. So are they just like different

1635
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 2: dishes with squirrels.

1636
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: Well, there's forty teams, so there's a there's a cap

1637
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: on the amount of teams, but there's forty teams and

1638
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: they come from all over the country. Okay, I mean

1639
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: like even the world. At times there's been international teams,

1640
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: but basically everybody usually each team usually has somebody that

1641
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: is like a legit chef, and they'll just try to

1642
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: come up with the wildest plate combinations possible for the squirrel.

1643
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's not it's not like squirrel and dumplings.

1644
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: It's like I can't even I couldn't even pronounce. Probably

1645
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: did you get to do any sampling?

1646
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: Oh?

1647
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's part of the event is that

1648
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: the guys, like you know, it starts at like nine

1649
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: o'clock and the judgeons at like one o'clock or something.

1650
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: And in the afternoon, and even as they're cooking, they're

1651
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: giving away free samples to the public. It's a pretty

1652
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: unique event, I mean, and I mean they give away

1653
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: stuff until they run out, so you're walking around and

1654
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: so they're they're cooking for the judges, so they're trying

1655
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: to make like like two plates for the judges, but

1656
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: all the teams are encouraged to just cook a bunch

1657
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: and so they give their two plates, but then they

1658
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: give away the rest of it and it's a whole meal.

1659
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: It's not just like you know, barbecue squirrel. It's like

1660
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: we're having barbecue squirrel with a side of this. And

1661
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: I mean it's like a legit cooking competition. Some guys

1662
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 1: go like super classy and have some kind of like

1663
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: French cuisine you can't pronounce. Other guys. I remember one

1664
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 1: year there was a team that like mocked a Chick

1665
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: fil A meal with squirrel. But it was like, you know,

1666
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: like waffle fries and homemade Polynesian sauce and a sandwich

1667
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: that looked just like a Chick fil a sandwich and

1668
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, like they tried that. That was their stick

1669
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: is that. You know, it's like like squirrel fill a

1670
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, So it's pretty fun.

1671
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: That sounds it's pretty fun. I've got like two squirrel dishes.

1672
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: I give a lot of mine away. There's a guy

1673
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: that has a food truck in Cave City Barbecue, and

1674
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: I'll call him like, hey, on my way, got you

1675
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 2: ten and he's like, here's a rack of ribs and

1676
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: we just shake hands and like if I don't have

1677
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: time to skin them, we don't want to, you know,

1678
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would love to see some of those dishes.

1679
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: That's obviously like looking at me. I'm a foodie, so

1680
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: I love new dishes with squirrel would be welcome. Ye yep,

1681
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: house well cool.

1682
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: Well is there anything else we were supposed to supposed

1683
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: to cover, Josh today, Tyler Man been a pleasure. Yeah.

1684
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: One of these days we're gonna go squirrel hunting.

1685
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I appreciate you guys having me on. Uh,

1686
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: had a great time. Yeah. I would love for you

1687
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,879
Speaker 2: guys to come over and hunt hunt my country and

1688
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 2: you know, see see what it's like in the bottoms.

1689
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know it's it's I'm told by guys

1690
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: that know, yeah, that there's way more squirrels over there.

1691
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: It's just is key. Yeah, it's just it's just the population. Yeah.

1692
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: And it's flat walking which never hurts. Yeah yeah, yeah

1693
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.

1694
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: Well man, I could I could keep talking about squirrel dogs.

1695
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: Will have to have you back on at some point, sure.

1696
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: But it was great to meet you guys. Great to

1697
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 2: come out here.

1698
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 4: Thanks. You see this part of the world.

1699
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: Hey, I was going to show the world. I wore

1700
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: my over I meant to say I wore these overalls

1701
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: today in honor Brent Reeves because he hasn't he doesn't

1702
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: come to the render anymore. You don't have to film this, Josh.

1703
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: But uh, that's my uh Brent Reeves addition case knife.

1704
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: So he's got his own addition.

1705
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: He has his own Brent Reeves Mini trapper. And when

1706
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: you're when you have that level of status in the

1707
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: in rural America, you don't even come to podcasts anymore.

1708
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 3: No way, you send somebody like when there's a request,

1709
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,839
Speaker 3: you can just send your proxy.

1710
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1711
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: We don't even know that is for Brent anymore. Yeah,

1712
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: but anyway, I mean, I guess whenever I have a

1713
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: knife that has my name on it, I probably won't

1714
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: even be here.

1715
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably not.

1716
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: Somebody else cardboards stand up and will pre record you.

1717
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Brent love the knife brother. Yeah, I've been

1718
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: carrying this. It's I'm fearful of losing it. I think

1719
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: there's only a couple hundred of them in the world.

1720
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 1: There are, and there may already be sold out.

1721
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I bet they're all.

1722
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep the wild places wild because that's where the

1723
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: squirrels live.

1724
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And my catchphrase is one hundred penning, meaning

1725
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 2: we are treating let's go one hundred pens hundred penning.

1726
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: That's my phrase.

1727
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it.

1728
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: Thanks Tyler, Yeah, thank you guys.