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Speaker 1: This the one Bill's Live, presented by Calllida Health. Oh

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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, everybody. Chris Brown, Steve Jasker with you here

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Speaker 1: on a sultry Tuesday in western New York.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't remember the day either. Yeah. Yeah. As a

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Speaker 2: task like wait, wait Tuesday, I.

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Speaker 1: Was looking for the right word to describe the heat

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Speaker 1: it is that is now enveloped western.

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Speaker 2: I got up this morning, looked at it was cloudy

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Speaker 2: and you know, kind of gray day, and thought, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: kind of chilly. I walked outside and it was like

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Speaker 2: walking into a hot box.

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Speaker 1: And the humidity is not far behind. This is the

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Speaker 1: kind of heat that prompts those afternoon thunderstorms that you

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Speaker 1: often see in Florida and other southern locales.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, so here we go.

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Speaker 1: We're in the midst of it. We usually only have

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Speaker 1: here in the summer, yes, which usually makes summer quite

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Speaker 1: pleasant here.

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Speaker 2: I do have air conditioning in my home. We tend

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Speaker 2: to run it like for tops like a month. Maybe

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Speaker 2: there's been years where it's been and at night time

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Speaker 2: open the doors in the win in the windows. But

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Speaker 2: during the day sometimes we run that thing. About that much.

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Speaker 2: Not too it's not too much. Yeah, but when you

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Speaker 2: need it, you gotta have it. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a little uncomfortable if you don't have it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have it as a kid. And then my

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Speaker 1: dad sprung for window air conditioners for all the bedrooms,

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Speaker 1: which can at least a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Sleep at night.

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Speaker 1: It was a game change, game changer because it does

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Speaker 1: so much more than that fan on the floor blowing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cool dry air, very nice, the way to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. I gotta say, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was out in it this morning because the Bills

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Speaker 1: were taking part in the United Way Day of Caring today.

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Speaker 1: Steve along with some Sabers people too out at the

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Speaker 1: Cradle Beach camp and we were cleaning out bathrooms in

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Speaker 1: the cabins and painting fresh coat of paint on the

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Speaker 1: cabins inside. They put new plywood up and we had

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Speaker 1: to paint the walls and stuff. And the our coworkers

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Speaker 1: are still out there. They had lunch, they had lunch,

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Speaker 1: and now they're hitting the rest of it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I was only out there for here's a couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: Here's something to you know. You never want to hear

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Speaker 2: from the from the bills from a pro sports organization.

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Speaker 2: Don't call for tickets today. I were in there because

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Speaker 2: I had some ticket stuff I want to go. It

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Speaker 2: was dark. I walked in, the lights were out, the arms. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're all out there doing you know.

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Speaker 1: I would say we were about I would say we

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Speaker 1: were close to about seventy five strong out there. We

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Speaker 1: were clearly the largest of the groups that were out there.

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Speaker 1: As I said, Savers were out there too, Savers employees.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was man, I was startling.

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Speaker 1: The Paula contingent was well represented. To me, I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: but we have to get the cabins ready for the

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Speaker 1: kids who are coming out to camp this summer.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's going to be and it's, you know, looking

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Speaker 2: to be a good summing. The school is going to

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Speaker 2: be out in a week or so around here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so had.

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Speaker 1: To spruce the place up so it'll it'll look shiny

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Speaker 1: and new or as new as camp cabins.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean, Right, I mean we've

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Speaker 2: all been there, But think about it.

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Speaker 1: Though they good, they do good stuff out there.

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Speaker 2: Bothered you as a kid, It's like, okay, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: they don't Oh my god. Right, Yeah, they're just happy

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Speaker 2: to mom and dad, aren't there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, getting told to do the dishes and other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Just don't burn the place down, please, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, I had never been out there before. It's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's like right on the waters, great great spot. We

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Speaker 2: But you know, the crew did good work out. You'll

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Speaker 2: say this though it is coworkers. The weather has been

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Speaker 2: absolutely spectacular because I don't mind the warm days. We

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Speaker 2: all like the warm, sunshiny days. But it's the best

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Speaker 2: part about it too, is when it cools down at night,

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Speaker 2: you can go out and relax and it's just the best.

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Speaker 2: It's absolute best. Yeah, absolute best.

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Speaker 1: I will never complain that it's too hot in Buffalo

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Speaker 1: because we know what the other side of that coin

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Speaker 2: So you are correct, you will.

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Speaker 1: I'll never hear that from me. But let's jump around

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Speaker 1: the NFL here, which as always is presented by Collida Health,

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Speaker 1: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, and we

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Speaker 1: begin with the comments that came from Cleveland Browns General

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Speaker 1: manager Andrew Berry during an appearance on NFL Networks to

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Speaker 1: the Insiders, he was asked about Deshaun Watson's rehab from

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Speaker 1: his shoulder surgery, and Barry said that Watson is a

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Speaker 1: and one of his quotes was he's really champing at

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Speaker 1: the bit to take the governor off, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Watson threw every other day during the offseason workout program

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Speaker 1: since he was still in rehab mode from that surgery.

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Speaker 1: He had a displaced fracture to the glenoid. Do you

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Speaker 1: know what the glenoid is, Steve? Because I don't.

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Speaker 2: I do not. Yeah, while you're talking, I'll google it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't you Chris an anatomy pro? I am

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Speaker 1: the injury as we know Forrest Watson to miss the

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Speaker 1: final nine games of the season, including the playoffs. We

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Speaker 1: all saw the Joe Flacco resurgence. Watson participated in seven

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Speaker 1: not been cleared to practice.

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Speaker 2: It sounds bad fully. You know what a glenoyd is.

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Speaker 2: It's the shallow, dis dish shaped socket in the shoulder

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Speaker 2: blade where the scapula is it forms part of the

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Speaker 2: you know, it's the ball, it's the socket part of

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Speaker 2: was disp Dude, that sounds bad. Do not draft that

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Speaker 2: guy in fantasy? Well, far be it from me to

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Speaker 2: be compassionate.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest. It hasn't been a good two years

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Speaker 1: for him in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: It has not.

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Speaker 1: He has played in twelve games in two seasons, six

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Speaker 2: It can't be that bad. He's making thirty plus.

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Speaker 1: It's not bad for him. I haven't been good for

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Speaker 2: I was shocked. Been pretty prosperous years for de Shan.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked to see that he actually has an

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Speaker 1: eight and four record in those twelve games. Listen, I

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Speaker 2: Yes, the head of the upper arm bone, the humorous

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Speaker 2: fits into the glenoid. Dude, you got a displaced, flat

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Speaker 2: fracture of the socket of your shoulder. That's not Howie

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Speaker 1: Yeah that I don't want any part of that, dude,

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Speaker 1: no wonder. Yeah, that's not good. Uh so here, let

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Speaker 1: me lay out because his last year Steve in Houston,

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Speaker 1: he led the league in passing granted for a four

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Speaker 1: forty eight and twenty three passing yards. Comes to the Browns.

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Speaker 1: Has only played in twelve games in two seasons. As

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Speaker 1: I said, eight and four. Record completion percentage fifty nine

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Speaker 1: That is not what they signed up for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well. You know, there was so much controversy

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Speaker 2: around his signing, how it happened. It was really weird

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Speaker 2: also came out that you know, they had the scuttle

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Speaker 2: but was that Deshaun Watson And kudos to Deshaun Watson's

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Speaker 2: agent for pulling this off. He called the Browns and

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Speaker 2: kind of it sounds like kind of read the room

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland's front office and baited him into saying, you

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Speaker 2: ain't got the money for You're out of it. You

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Speaker 2: can't do it, You're done, And it kind of challenged

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Speaker 2: their manhood and the owner step says, says, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: how about this offer? And they took it. Get a

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Speaker 2: load of this. Can you handle this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So Ben's still over meat the right, so they he

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Speaker 2: kind of you know, they kind of put it out

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Speaker 2: there like, yeah, you ain't got the chops for this.

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Speaker 2: We're living in a different world than you. Shut up

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Speaker 2: and sit down. And they said, oh yeah, how about this,

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Speaker 2: and they got it done. And now Cleveland's like, that's

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Speaker 2: he said, yes, you win, thank you, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's just keeps like simity Sam, you know, and he's

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Speaker 2: like right, and they they got it done, two hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty six million, all guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: That's that was the shocker, Like, I know, the guy's

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Speaker 2: Goods and they said, didn't they send like three ones? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's Craig Cray. That is absolutely off your rocker.

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Speaker 1: That's why Houston's laughing with that's right. C J. Stroud

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Speaker 1: and the pass rusher whose names escaping me from Alabama.

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Speaker 2: All of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so that's who's looking good right here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they were both playoff teams last year, Houston and Houston

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Speaker 2: Oh Rush, talk about a low blow that you see

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Speaker 2: like you hear guys like you know Lamar Jackson didn't

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Speaker 2: want an agent, didn't didn't want to pay that. Listen,

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Speaker 2: that guy whoever's representing Deshaun Watson, kudos forgetting that deal

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Speaker 2: because they played that exactly right, and they played the

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Speaker 2: the right timing and boom diggity, you score a mega deal.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, it really is. And that's it. We we

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Speaker 2: tend to sterilize these relationships at the highest levels, but

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Speaker 2: it does come down to personalities and it comes to

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Speaker 2: human beings making decisions and man or man When you

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Speaker 2: got an agent.

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Speaker 1: Who understands that million dollars decision, yes.

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Speaker 2: And he got an agent who understands how to work

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Speaker 2: those angles. Goodness gracious, here we are and it's still

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Speaker 2: an outlier contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Matt Riza, the former punter of the Bills, whose career,

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Speaker 1: as we know, was derailed by the sexual assault accusation,

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Speaker 1: looks like he's going to win the chiefs punting job

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Speaker 1: for this coming season. As we remember, he signed earlier

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Speaker 1: this offseason, but the Chiefs cut they're under other punter,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Ricoo, which leaves Ariza as the only punter on

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Speaker 1: their roster. Now, it's still possible the Chiefs could bring

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Speaker 1: in another punter compete with Eriza in training camp, but

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Speaker 1: for now, it looks like he's going to be the

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Speaker 1: Bills will be facing their former draft pick in Week

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Speaker 1: eleven on November seventeenth. There's no question he's super talented. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the timing was just terrible.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember when he got here, yea and

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Speaker 2: my gosh, that kid, you know, whatever happened in those

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Speaker 2: when they hit it big with Hide and Poyer, it

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Speaker 2: was it was like, eh, what safeties? Okay, right, what

437
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Speaker 2: are you doing? Right? So they've done it with other players.

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Speaker 2: I think the one splash signing they got over the

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Speaker 2: course of all of this thing was Vaughn you know,

440
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Speaker 2: but then they get Mitch Morris. Okay, it's the center

441
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Speaker 2: and stuff. Yeah, Mitch Morris was the center for five

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Speaker 2: years for yeah, five years here and it was a

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Speaker 2: really good player. I just I really liked the philosophy

444
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Speaker 2: and the way the Bills Pro Personnel department grinds these guys.

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Speaker 2: They get guys that have a high upside. Maybe they

446
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Speaker 2: will pan out, maybe they won't. Guys like David Edwards,

447
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Speaker 2: you know, an offensive lineman who comes in, big dude,

448
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, he is. You know, you've

449
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: got some quality depth right there, Lyle Collins, for goodness sake,

450
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Speaker 2: seven year starter. Think about that. I mean, that's guy's

451
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: got some That guy's got some chops. Casey two Hill

452
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Speaker 2: is another guy just like Curtis Samuel. He comes over

453
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Speaker 2: and he was under the radar, guy behind like all

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Speaker 2: those first round guys in the Commanders right Chase Shung

455
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Speaker 2: and the sweat. It just it really seems to me

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Speaker 2: that there's a vibe that's hard to and a philosophy

457
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Speaker 2: that's hard to really get your you know, to simplify,

458
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Speaker 2: you get guys that have a high upside. You're getting

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Speaker 2: on a good deal, maybe on a short contract, maybe

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Speaker 2: on a one year deal, but they've got all kinds

461
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Speaker 2: of motivation and they've got this physical upside and potential

462
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Speaker 2: that a good culture and the right quarterback and the

463
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Speaker 2: right environment could really really cause him to explode into

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Speaker 2: their career. You got a ton of guys like that

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Speaker 2: on this roster, and I think it's really intriguing to

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Speaker 2: think about.

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Speaker 1: Topic of discussion for you today deals with the Bills roster.

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Speaker 1: Which Bill's player do you believe will have a resurgence

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four eight oh three, five point fifty one,

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight, five fifty two, five fifty The numbers

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Speaker 1: to get on board open lines for you there, or

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Speaker 1: you can hit us up on the tweet sheet at

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Speaker 1: one Bill's Live. There are some obvious ones, you know,

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Speaker 1: players who had a down season last year, who could

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Speaker 1: you know, get back to what I think Bill's fans

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Speaker 1: have come to expect from them. Tyler Bass is a

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Speaker 1: player who comes to mind. I think he would be

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Speaker 1: the first to tell you he wasn't satisfied with his

479
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Speaker 1: season last year, and you know has put his nose

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Speaker 1: to the grindstone to return to the kind of form

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Speaker 1: that we enjoyed watching from him his first three seasons.

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Speaker 1: So that's a guy that I would put in that

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Speaker 1: category for twenty twenty four. There are obviously others people

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Speaker 1: coming off injury, but Bass was the first one that

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Speaker 1: came to mind for me. Did you have a different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, obviously there's a couple of other Obviously, was

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Speaker 2: like Milano is the obvious one because he you know,

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Speaker 2: his season was cut short after five games, four and

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Speaker 2: a half games, and he's an All Pro and he's

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Speaker 2: just one of those guys that when he's on the field,

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Speaker 2: he's always around it, you know, and he's usually in it,

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Speaker 2: not just around it. He sees it. He reacts really well.

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Speaker 2: And him being on the field healthy, I think is

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Speaker 2: going to make a big difference, not only for you know,

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Speaker 2: the defense, but that front seven, and you know with

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Speaker 2: Daikwon Jones up there with Milano in there, because Milana

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Speaker 2: can do it so many things. He rushes the passer

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Speaker 2: extremely well, he drops into coverage extremely well. He's got

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Speaker 2: a nose for the ball, he's got good hands, he

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Speaker 2: picks it off, he doesn't just knock it down. He's

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Speaker 2: a playmaker, and I think that's one of the things

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Speaker 2: they miss. You know, the more you have of that,

503
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Speaker 2: the better, And certainly they were better at it last

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00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: year with Bernard in there as well with Milano when

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Speaker 2: they were together. So I'm Milano is the obvious one.

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Speaker 2: I think von Miller is another obvious one. Still wasn't

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Speaker 2: back from his injury, and I keep saying that I

508
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Speaker 2: like the way I saw him moving, even though he

509
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Speaker 2: never had any statistical returns for his efforts. I thought

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Speaker 2: the guy started to look more and more like the

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Speaker 2: Vaughn we signed three years ago or two years ago.

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Speaker 2: So those guys, I think, are the you know, Milano

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Speaker 2: and Vaughn really have a chance.

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Speaker 1: To me, I was thinking, you know, like you said,

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Speaker 1: Milana only played four and a half games, and I

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Speaker 1: was thinking back to those first four games, like the

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Speaker 1: Raiders game, he mosses the running back coming out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield that it just reaches over him and snares

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Speaker 1: the ball for an interception. And then in the Miami

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Speaker 1: game here week four, you know, the Dolphins are coming

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Speaker 1: off the seventy point beat down of the Broncos. They

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Speaker 1: come in here and late first half, Milano forces a

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Speaker 1: fumble on a monster hit on a third and one

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Speaker 1: that was like four yards in the backfield. He and

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Speaker 1: Bernard get into the backfield four yards deep on a handoff,

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Speaker 1: Milano blisters the guy. He fumbles the ball and Bernard

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Speaker 1: scoops it up and they get points off that turnover,

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Speaker 1: and at halftime it's suddenly thirty one to fourteen, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they help break the game open, right.

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Speaker 2: And then the next game is the one he got hurt,

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Speaker 2: and the Bills lose by five to Jacksonville in London.

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Speaker 2: So and you know, and not for nothing, Milana goes

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Speaker 2: down in that loss to Jacksonville. They've beat New York barely.

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Speaker 2: Then they lose the Patriots and they win, then they

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Speaker 2: lose twice, you know, so they went on a right

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Speaker 2: when Milana goes out, they go on the win loss

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Speaker 2: win loss streak that you know, ultimately ended up with

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Speaker 2: the overtime loss in Philly before the bye week, and

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Speaker 2: then they win five straight to close it out to

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Speaker 2: get to the playoffs on the number two seed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm don't think that, you know, one player can't and

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he did, but it does. Is the

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Speaker 2: accumulation that's also, you know, I mean, there's just a

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Speaker 2: lot in it. There's a lot in that that you

545
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Speaker 2: got to take into account, and maybe we'll never know

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Speaker 2: the fully full extent of it. But man, oh man,

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Speaker 2: you see him go down in week five and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they go you know, win loss

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Speaker 2: win loss, win loss, lost win loss.

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Speaker 1: You know now they also lost daikwon.

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Speaker 2: So let's not forget that, right.

552
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Speaker 1: And Tredavious White in week four in the Miami game

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter for the year, uh eight oh

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Speaker 1: three oh five fifty the number to get on board?

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Speaker 1: Which Bill's player? Do you think we'll have a resurgence

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Speaker 1: this coming season? Open lines for you there, so chime

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Speaker 1: on in. We'll get to your phone calls when we

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Speaker 1: return here on one Bill's Live presented Collida Health.

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Speaker 4: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right back here, I want Bill's Live, Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you, asking you which Bill's player We'll

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Speaker 1: have a resurgence in twenty twenty four eight oh three

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Speaker 1: oh five fifty. Then I'm gonna get on board one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five point fifty or

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Speaker 1: you can hit us up as always on the tweet sheet.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones now, and leading us off

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Speaker 1: today is Steve out in Iowa. What do you got

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Speaker 1: for a Steve?

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Speaker 5: Hi, guys, thanks for taking my call. The first player

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Speaker 5: I want to identify as such an obvious choice, I'm

571
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 5: almost embarrassed to make the choice. But I think it's

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Speaker 5: gonna be Von Miller. But I have a kind of

573
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 5: a sneaky pick for you. I think that ker Elon

574
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Speaker 5: may have a big year for the Bills based upon

575
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Speaker 5: the pattern that I've seen with Bill's rookies and year

576
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: three and four kind of coming to the four, I

577
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Speaker 5: think he might have a good year for him.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that. I think he's gonna you're

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00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: gonna see a lot more of him on the field.

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00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see a lot more of him

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Speaker 2: on game day. I think he's gonna be active for

582
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: a lot of games. Yeah, I would agree with that.

583
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: I think the new coaching staff on the defense I

584
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: think views him in a different light than they did.

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00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: And uh, we'll see if that translates into more production.

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00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: Certainly they could. It was it comes at a moment,

587
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: you know, with Tradevius gone, you know there's a spot there,

588
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But I would agree with you it's

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Speaker 2: not We've been talking about it off and on about

590
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: how we think Kaye is gonna have a little bit

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00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: of a resurgence yeah, anyway before we even put this

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Speaker 2: topic out. But uh, I think that's a great call.

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00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: We've seen him and we talked about this, and every

594
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: time we talk about it, you have to say it.

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00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: It's been a little bit of a roller coaster with

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Speaker 2: him when he's been on the field. He hasn't got

597
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 2: any consistent reps. So it's hard to get better and

598
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: hard to get a full sense of the direction he's

599
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: headed right as he's stay inside, wass he's getting better?

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00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: Is he not getting better? But certainly we've seen plays

601
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: that were, you know, really outstanding and also some silly penalties,

602
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I think with more reps, the guy

603
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: can't do anything but grow. He's a smart dude and

604
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: wants to play well. He's got the right heart for it.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. But that's a great call.

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Speaker 1: And he's built for wild card games. I mean, not

607
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: only had the pick that kind of thwarted any comeback

608
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: effort on the part of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The year before,

609
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: he had his first career playoff interception that turned the

610
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Speaker 1: game around against the Dolphins. He intercepts it on Miami's

611
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: half of the field, The Bills go in and score

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Speaker 1: and take a two score lead and it's enough to

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Speaker 1: keep them ahead for the rest of the way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really kind of flipped things for them on that play.

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00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: So I think more time on the field should yield

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Speaker 1: more of that. So in limited action, the guy has

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Speaker 1: has made.

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Speaker 2: Plays, Yeah he has. And also, like I said that Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: right before he intercepts the ball in the end zone

620
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: against the Steelers, he had back to back penalties, or

621
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Speaker 2: at least there were. He was one of them. I think.

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Speaker 2: The other one was on a d lineman, I think.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it was a rough stretch right there

624
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: and it looked like it was going to go south

625
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: for the Bills real quick. The Steelers were driving down

626
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: and he just stepped in front and took it and

627
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Speaker 2: intercepted in the end zone and that was it. Yeah,

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00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: those are huge moments, and they're both in playoff games. Yep.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be too big for him.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Judy in Buffalo next. What's up, Judy?

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Speaker 6: You know, I want to talk about the ticking game.

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Speaker 6: So you know they made a rapt toys Matt Rise

633
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 6: a year or two a goal and there were indications

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Speaker 6: even even before whatever came out, that this guy had

635
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 6: some flaws in his character. Okay, so I wonder why

636
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 6: the build took a chance on him. Secondly, Tyler Push.

637
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Speaker 6: Every time he goes to kick a field goal, I

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00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 6: cringe because I know it's going to going to verse

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Speaker 6: the right. Cannot that be corrected? And then furthermore, we

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 6: do not have a putter. Thank god, we have an

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00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 6: offensive team that gets us close enough so that we

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00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 6: don't have to worry.

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Speaker 5: About a putter.

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Speaker 6: But who in the world is in charge of our

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Speaker 6: kicking team? That's my point?

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Speaker 2: Okay, why do you why do you have a problem

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Speaker 2: with the kicking team? Judy? What what's your problem with

648
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: the overall kicking king? Like the guy's covering and that

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Speaker 2: kind of thing. I guess is what you're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Well, I just I just give the kicking team is

651
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 6: costing us uh six points a game, and those are

652
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 6: games we need to win.

653
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll sell you this. They you're right,

654
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: or like opening Day last year, in overtime, they give

655
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: up the punt return for the touchdown game over. There's

656
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: no dodging that, right, But there's also no dodging the

657
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: fact that the same kicking team beat New England with

658
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: two kickoff return for touchdowns two years ago when after

659
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: the after the uh Deamar Hamlin incident. You're right, it

660
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: has been a roller coaster at times with the kicking game,

661
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: with the coverage guys and the return guys, and Tyler

662
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: Bass last year, even by hitting his own words, he

663
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 2: took a step back. He's got blocked.

664
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: Also there were protection issues, right.

665
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, I would, I can. I can get

666
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: behind that that. You got to, you know, spend more

667
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: time on it. Maybe, uh maybe the head coach has

668
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: to get involved and say hey, step in and say, hey, listen,

669
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: you got gonna pick it up. Here's what happened. Sometimes

670
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: that's what In a lot of ways, a head coach's

671
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: attitude towards special teams says a lot about how good

672
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: those teams are going to be. It's not just about

673
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: the special teams coordinator. The guys who were playing special

674
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: teams have to know that. It's important to Sean McDermott.

675
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: In my eleven years with the Bills, eleven and a half,

676
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: Marv Levy sat in the front row of every special

677
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: teams meeting. I was a part of every one of them.

678
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: So the guys in that room knew the head coach

679
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: was dialed in and it made a difference. I don't

680
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: know if Sean does that or not. I couldn't tell

681
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 2: you because I've never been in one of these meetings.

682
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I do know that that you're right.

683
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: It has been a little bit too much of a

684
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: roller coaster up and down with the kicking, the coverage

685
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: teams and the return teams, with the block you know,

686
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: you got block field goals.

687
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: It was the blockfield we have playoff?

688
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: We have a block punt? Did we have some point

689
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: might have been I can't remember that now.

690
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: But there was a blockfield going the Pittsburgh playoff.

691
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: Giving up yes and given us how Sam Martin hurts

692
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: his hamstring and giving up touchdowns on long returns. You know,

693
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: that's a that's a crusher.

694
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: So, I mean Deontay Hardy kick return was huge in

695
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: the Week eighteen. It tied the ball game and kind

696
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: of swung the momentum of that football.

697
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: It has been a little bit of a roller coaster,

698
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: no question about it. And you know, like we always say,

699
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: you want to cut the troughs out and keep the

700
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: high points you.

701
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: But yes, Judy, to answer your other question, if kicks

702
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: are getting pushed out to the right, that can be corrected.

703
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: It usually has to do with your hip alignment. Whichever

704
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: way your hips are pointing, that's where the ball is going,

705
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: unless there are extreme weather conditions like wind that you

706
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: have to compensate for. And I'm trying to remember, but

707
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: I want to say Tyler Bass basically indicated on the

708
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: kick he missed against Kansas City, which would have tied

709
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: the game at twenty seven. He said he kicked it

710
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: in a way that it would draw for him, meaning

711
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: it would go out to the right and then kind

712
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: of draw come back and through the uprights, and it

713
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: never came back. Now we're talking about pretty detailed, idiosyncratic

714
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: elements of the kicking game. When players who play in

715
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: climates like Tyler Bass does, has to account for the

716
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: conditions in which he's kicking. You know, he's not kicking

717
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: at Ford Field, or he's not kicking down in Miami,

718
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: he's kicking in Buffalo, and there is an extra layer

719
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: of expertise that has to be applied based on the

720
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: conditions in which you play. So that's why Bass is

721
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: on my list. As a player that I think is

722
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: going to have a resurgence in twenty twenty four. I

723
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: think last season sticks in his craw because I don't

724
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: think it's up to his standard. Forget about everybody else,

725
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: I just I don't even think it's up to his standard.

726
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: And I think he is going to be locked in

727
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: this year to kind of get back to the very,

728
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: very dominant ways in which he kicked his first three

729
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: seasons here.

730
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: I had a brief conversation with him, you know, and

731
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: I can tell you that as upset as Bill's fans

732
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: were with, you know, the way the season ended and

733
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: had that kick in Kansas City, let me just tell

734
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: you something. He's he's committed himself to fixing it. In

735
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: the conversation I had with him, it's we talked at

736
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: length about that, and that's uh. And it's good to

737
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: see him as he's a professional kicker, so he knows

738
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: what his job is and knows how to fix it.

739
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: He's gonna he's working very hard to do that. He's,

740
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: you know, recommitted himself to doing that. So you can

741
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: bet that he's going to put the work in. Whether

742
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: he can get it done or out, we'll see but

743
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: I would bet on him.

744
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: Let's go to Jim in Lockport next. What's up, Jim?

745
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 7: What's up, guys? How are you doing? I'm just calling

746
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 7: him guys, uh too. I believe Miller Early has to

747
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 7: have himself a leadership role this year in this team.

748
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 7: And he also, you know, he's gonna show up what

749
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 7: he's about during preseason and if he doesn't, you know,

750
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 7: give himself one hundred percent effort. Do you think the

751
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 7: Bills are going to look to get rid of him?

752
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 7: And one r thing here, I'm gonna talk about their

753
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 7: special teams and Steve you know about special teams, and

754
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 7: I believe your ear when Steve played with the Bills

755
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 7: is when we had the best special teams that the

756
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 7: Bills have had ever in the history of Buffalo football.

757
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 7: And you talk about bassing himself. But these games all

758
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 7: last year you can count on your you know, all

759
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 7: them games that came down to three points, a point

760
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 7: less than a touchdown. How many games there were We

761
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 7: need him to be able to make these kicks in

762
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 7: order for this team to win these close games.

763
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were some close ones down the stretch,

764
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: obviously when the Bills weren't as high flying an offense.

765
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: After Joe Bradley took over, they committed more to the

766
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: run game. They were fifty two percent run forty eight

767
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: percent pass over their last seven games. So there was

768
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: a definitive shift in offensive approach for whatever reason, and

769
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: they still they won games. But they were very tight.

770
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: They weren't blowing people out of the water down the stretch.

771
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: They were just trying to win football games, knowing they

772
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: had to run the table to get to the playoffs,

773
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: win the division, et cetera.

774
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 2: Nobody cares when he missed a kick in a twenty

775
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: five point win, right, And that's what happens the Bills

776
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: when they lose games. We've talked about it. It's been

777
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: three years, three and a half years since they lost

778
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: a game by more than one possession, any game, well,

779
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: the playoff game in Cincinnati they lost when after Dmar's thing.

780
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: But they just don't lose games by more than a possession.

781
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: They just don't. And that so you start to get

782
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: to why you lose this game, why'd you lose that game?

783
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: And it comes down to one play here, one play there,

784
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: one play here, one play there. That's it. One play

785
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: a game, two plays a game no more than three

786
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: plays during a football game. When you're talking about game,

787
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: a game that close, that's it. It's those three plays

788
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: that are the difference. That's the way it's always gonna

789
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: be with this team, with Josh and Sean McDermott and

790
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean and this crew, they just don't get run

791
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: off and left. They're always gonna be in it. So

792
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: it's the same philosophy I had when we were complaining

793
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: about the officiating last year. When you're in close games,

794
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: you want the officials to still be in do their job.

795
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: You can't just say, Okay, whoever can cheat the best

796
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: or stretch the rules the best, he is gonna win

797
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: because the referees are gonna swallow their whistle. Just play

798
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: the game the way you're always call penalties, the way

799
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: they're called all the time, every play. This isn't the NHL,

800
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: this is a real sports league. Let me just say

801
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: that I like to say that was bad. I shouldn't

802
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: have said that anyway. I'm exaggerating to make a point.

803
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: The NFL, you call penalties in overtime the same way

804
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: you do in the first quarter. The NHL kind of

805
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: prides themselves that they don't do that. That's their philosophy.

806
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: We swallow the whistles.

807
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: That's right. We let them players. We let the players decide, right,

808
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: And well, yeah, that's great, it's it's not the way

809
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: it should be. Rules are rules, and they're rules all

810
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: the time. So and the reason for getting down this

811
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: rabbit hole is when you're in close games all the

812
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: time and official calls a penalty. There's a penalty in

813
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: the first quarter, it's going to be a penalty in

814
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. But in the fourth quarter it costs

815
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: you the game. But that's still a penalty. So you're thinking, oh,

816
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: the officiating is horrible. No, it's the same, but the

817
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: game is so close. It's that one play that you

818
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: don't get a chance. Now there's no time to recover

819
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: from it. It's the same thing the kick do you

820
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: miss in the first quarter that you in a game

821
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: you win by fifteen, nobody cares. But in a game

822
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: like the Kansas City game where you got a chance

823
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: to tie it up and send that thing to overtime

824
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: or stay in it and you miss it, and well,

825
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: you can't recover from that, And now it's it's all

826
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: Tyler Bass's fault. Now all of a sudden, Well, that

827
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: that's the way your team is, and you're gonna be

828
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: in that. The Bills are gonna be in that this year.

829
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the same story. They're gonna be as

830
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: good as they've been. They're gonna this is who they

831
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: are under Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean. They're gonna bring

832
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: it together. They're gonna develop these young players, they're gonna

833
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 2: incorporate the new players, and they're gonna be a wrecking crew.

834
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: But they're gonna be in games where they're tight, and

835
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: it's always gonna come down to ah that official goddess

836
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: or oh they missed a kick, or oh we made

837
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: a kick, or oh we did score. You know, Josh

838
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: busted in with no time left on the climb. All

839
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: that stuff's gonna happen. It's gonna be one of those games.

840
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: It's that's let me say put it this way. That's

841
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: the gift that this team is and has been for

842
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 2: the last five or six years. And they are in it. Man,

843
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: you can't run off and leave.

844
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: Them and ask for your question Jim about Vaughn and

845
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: possibly getting clipped. You know, if he doesn't look good

846
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: in camp. I don't see that happening. His dead cap

847
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: hit is twenty three point two million. They can't take

848
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: that on, nor do I think they want to move

849
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: any money into next year either. That's why he took

850
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: an eight and a half million dollar haircut this year.

851
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: He was one of the players who renegotiated his contract

852
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: and restructured it and took an eight and a half

853
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: million dollar pay cut in the process. So he came

854
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: to them, gave them what they needed. Now let's see

855
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: if he can do what he needs to do on

856
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: the field for them.

857
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get in this later.

858
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: We're up against the break when we come back. More

859
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: of your phone calls here on One Bill's Live. Stay

860
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: tune here on One Bill's Live Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

861
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday edition and asking you which Bill's player

862
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: will have a resurgence in twenty twenty four. Had some

863
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: good submissions thus far for Von Miller, Matt Mulano, Tyler Bass.

864
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones and get some more answers,

865
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: and next up is Mark in West Seneca. What's up? Mark?

866
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: Hey?

867
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 8: Chris A, Steve Obustain Cole. I got two real quick.

868
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 8: The one player that I'm thinking of, is Christian Benford

869
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 8: necessarily because of his play? I just think, I mean,

870
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 8: he has shown signs of being a very solid, steady

871
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 8: corner playing a position in the NFL that's one of

872
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 8: the tougher positions to play in my estimation, he just

873
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 8: needs to stay on the field. He needs to show that.

874
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 8: For him to have a come back here and actually

875
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 8: be available for most of the games would be a

876
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 8: huge uplift for the defense, I believe. And then the

877
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 8: other thing I wanted to mention, and everybody's been talking

878
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 8: about it, I guess I'm jumping on the bandwagon year,

879
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 8: which is really my number one is a special teams

880
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 8: And I put this The point about Steve that you

881
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 8: made about Marv sitting in right in the front row

882
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 8: on the meetings is a great point and is a

883
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 8: nice message sender, but ultimately it comes down to the coordinator.

884
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 8: And our coordinator was all over the place last year,

885
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 8: up and down, breakdowns in bad situations and games, not

886
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 8: getting players off the field in the Denver game, things

887
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 8: of that nature. So and I think he also has

888
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 8: a great opportunity, starting at ground zero with the kickoff

889
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 8: rule changes, to really come up with something new and

890
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 8: innovative that maybe somebody else around the league doesn't do

891
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 8: or whatever. Obviously, all of this has not been vetted

892
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 8: out for years and years and years, like so much

893
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 8: of the game has been by other coordinators. So he's

894
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 8: got a huge opportunity to show how creative he can

895
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 8: be and what he can come up with to really

896
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 8: help this team out next year. So that's my points,

897
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 8: thanks guys.

898
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, another one too that we'd forgotten about the twelve

899
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: men on the field for the Denver Yeah, missed field

900
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: goal that would have won the game and didn't. There's

901
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: two games right there that we right off the top,

902
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: from the overtime loss and opening weekend in New York

903
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 2: to the Denver game with twelve men on the field

904
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: for a missed field goal to win it that gave

905
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: them a second opportunity that they made, and a block

906
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: field goal in a playoff game. So yeah, there was

907
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: some there, some ragged moments in the bill special teams

908
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: the Yeah, and we may never know who some of

909
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: this is some of it's responsible for, because there's no

910
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: way they you know, they drew up a play where

911
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: they're going to give up a punk return once the

912
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 2: ball is snapped, and I think one is snapped once.

913
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: I think, more so than any other play on special teams,

914
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: it's up to the players because it's such a free

915
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: wheeling and wide open play where you've got to use

916
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: your instincts and athleticism. You can't draw up who's going

917
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: to make the tackle on a running play, on a

918
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: on a punk return or a kickoff return. You can't

919
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: draw it up because you don't know where the ball's going.

920
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: You don't know where who's going to be responsible. You

921
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: know what the return man's going to do. By the

922
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: very nature of it. The return man they don't have

923
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: a plan back there, they have a direction. So there's

924
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: a lot of that going on. So I think think

925
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: when you know, and you can say what you want

926
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: about Matt Smiley.

927
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: And Marcus West, the assistance Cory Harkey, Sorry.

928
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: Corey Harkey, this rule and the kickoff that you brought

929
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: up is also they were painstakingly careful with making sure

930
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: nobody could exploit it to do something off the wall, like,

931
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, nobody even thought about that. They got

932
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 2: a lot of smart people in the room making sure

933
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: nobody is able to do that. Now you can take

934
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: chances if you want, but with every chance you take

935
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: there's obviously risk reward. So we'll see how this works out.

936
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if somebody did something off the

937
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: wall with the new kickoff rule.

938
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: The other thing to keep in mind, too, is that

939
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: special Teams unit lost some veteran members of their core.

940
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: Tyler Mattikaevich no longer on the roster, Saran Neil no

941
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: longer on the roster, Tyrell Dodson no longer on the roster.

942
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: There are some core special teamers that are no longer here.

943
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: So to have a resurgence season is going to take

944
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: an awful lot of teaching. With a brand new play

945
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: on kickoffs, It's not a light lift, I guess, is

946
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make. Got to take a

947
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: break here, but when we come back, we will be

948
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: talking with our guest for our number two, and that

949
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: is Gordon McGinnis from Pro Football Focus, who has some

950
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: interesting off season takes on the Bills in the league

951
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: at large. We'll catch up with him next here on

952
00:51:32,080 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

953
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: The One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

954
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: All right, our number two here on a Tuesday, Chris Brown,

955
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you one Bill's Live and please to

956
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: be joined now by the head of content for Pro

957
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: Football Focus one, Gordon McGinnis joining us. Gordon, thanks for

958
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: the time, appreciate it. And the jumping off point where

959
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: I wanted to begin was with your piece recently about

960
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks who got the most help in twenty twenty three,

961
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: and what I came away with from that was the

962
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: stunning lack of appearances by the Miami Dolphins. The only

963
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: place where they showed up in your top five in

964
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: any of your category was in the highest receiving grades

965
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, which obviously makes sense they finished second,

966
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: but for an offense that was number one in the

967
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: league in passing, second in the league in scoring top

968
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: ten and third down conversions. I was surprised that they

969
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: didn't show up in some of these other categories. Can

970
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: you put your finger on why that was?

971
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 9: I think we're pretty much everything apart from past blocking grades.

972
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 9: I think they were just outside the top five. I

973
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 9: think they were in that five to ten. Rage shouldy

974
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 9: Werrikin of they're or thereabouts pass Blokan was a thing

975
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 9: that I think really limited that offense down the stretch

976
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 9: last year. So that's probably the big thing that held

977
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 9: them back in the final stages of the season.

978
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: What was some of the anomalies that you noticed were

979
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: you know, for instance, one of the big conversations that

980
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: you mentioned in your in your work was that you know,

981
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: Brock Purdy got you know, was in the MVP conversation,

982
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: but a lot of people said, no, no, he's getting

983
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: more help. It's not Brock Perdy, It's it's Shanahan, It's

984
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: it's Ayuk, it's McCaffrey, it's all the other guys. What

985
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 2: were some of the anomalies or some of the surprising

986
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: conclusions you could come to because of the data.

987
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 9: The most so, the two things I would say that

988
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 9: stood out most surprising thing for me was the Arizona

989
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 9: Cardinals ranking inside the top five in number of plays

990
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 9: where they had three or more open receivers. I think

991
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 9: that probably points to them being significantly better when they

992
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 9: can have Kyler Murray on the field for a full season.

993
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 9: And then the second thing is to that point about

994
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 9: Brock Birdy. I don't think this should be viewed as

995
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 9: these are the quarterbacks who are only good because of

996
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 9: the sport they have. It's more, I think an indication

997
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 9: of what, who are the teams who are kind of

998
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 9: putting their quarterbacks in the best positions. And as I

999
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 9: look through the list, you know, in the AFC, the

1000
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 9: final four teams featured quite a bit, the San Francisco

1001
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 9: forty nine ers featured quite a bit. So I think

1002
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 9: it really indicates the offenses that are doing all the

1003
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 9: little things right to try and just give them that

1004
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 9: extra edge to win games.

1005
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: Areas where the Bills ranked high in your rundown of

1006
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: categories RPOs expected points added, they were second, right behind

1007
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and then play action expected points

1008
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: added second, again behind the forty nine ers. What do

1009
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: you think that might point to in terms of the

1010
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: efficiency for Buffalo's offense and how much could potentially be

1011
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: lost knowing that Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis are no

1012
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: longer part of that equation.

1013
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 9: I would say I think a big part of that.

1014
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 9: And if you look at some of the other names

1015
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 9: that are on the list there, I think Josh Allen's

1016
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 9: strength as a runner has an impact there, especially when

1017
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 9: you think about something like play action. If Josh Allen

1018
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 9: turns fake's handing the ball off and then you have

1019
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 9: to worry about him getting outside the pocket there, it

1020
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 9: just puts some stress on defenses, allows receivers to get

1021
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 9: a little bit more open, and things like that. So

1022
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 9: I think with the Bill strength on offense, as much

1023
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 9: as they have lost those players, is still the guy

1024
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 9: they have thrown passes, So I don't expect that to

1025
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 9: necessarily drop off by much.

1026
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: One of the things that I've been touting, and I

1027
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm right or not, I'm going to

1028
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: ask you. One of the things that you broke down

1029
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: in this data is expected points added per play on

1030
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: screen passes. Now, since Josh Allen has been the quarterback

1031
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills, their screen game has been virtually nonexistent.

1032
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: They've tried them at times, they just don't seem to

1033
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: work well. I've always thought that it was because of

1034
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: Josh and the way teams defend him. Is that also

1035
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: makes it difficult to throw screens. Maybe I'm right, Maybe

1036
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, Because Josh is he's the least sacked quarterback

1037
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: out there. He's hard, he runs around, and maybe because

1038
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: the defensive lineman or the pass rushers have their antenna

1039
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: up that it's hard for screen pass you know, receivers

1040
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: to slip out for a classic screen pass. What does

1041
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: the data say about why the Bills don't or can't

1042
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: throw screen passes?

1043
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 9: So, truthfully, I don't know the exact answer, but your

1044
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 9: theory there is exactly where I landed on as I

1045
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 9: was writing it, because I noticed both Josh Allen and

1046
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, both the Buffalo Bills and the Baltimore Ravens

1047
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 9: are not on those screen lists, and where my head

1048
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 9: jumped to was, Okay, well, if I'm playing against the

1049
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 9: Bills or the Ravens, I'm probably asking my linebackers my

1050
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 9: pass rushers to be a little bit more cautious because

1051
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 9: those are guys that can hurt me in the running

1052
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 9: game as well. So does that then mean that I've

1053
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 9: got guys in those stronger positions to defend screens. That's

1054
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 9: very much just like what my theory was looking at it,

1055
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 9: which I think is where you can have landed on

1056
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 9: as well. So I don't know if the numbers actually

1057
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 9: back that up, but it's certainly where my head went

1058
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 9: as well.

1059
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: Moving on to one of the other things you put

1060
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: together ranking the NFL rookie wide receivers by situation, basically

1061
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: the situation that got dropped into Kean Coleman was not

1062
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: the fourth receiver off the board, but in terms of situation,

1063
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: he ranks fourth on your list. What do you think

1064
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: is most appealing for his situation, because, as we've mentioned

1065
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: on this show before, Khalil Shakiir is the only receiver

1066
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: on this roster who caught a pass in the regular

1067
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: season from Josh Allen last year. Everyone else is new,

1068
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a game of pickup sticks.

1069
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Throw them all up in the air, and you know,

1070
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: see which ones you can pry off the pile first.

1071
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: Does Coleman, though, run the risk of losing snaps to

1072
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: some new veteran additions that could stunt his growth.

1073
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 9: I think that's definitely a possibility. So Stefan Diggs leven

1074
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 9: frees up one hundred and seventy five targets. I think

1075
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 9: it was in the regular season, in playoffs. In theuty,

1076
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 9: he could be the rookie receiver that leads all the

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00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 9: players at his possession in terms of targets. I think

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00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 9: the most likely scenario though, is that it winds up

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00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 9: being split between Curtis Samuel Khalil Shakir seeing an expanded

1080
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 9: role and Dalton k and Kid catching more passes. But

1081
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 9: there certainly are an awful lot of targets they're available

1082
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 9: for him where by if he can hit the ground running,

1083
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 9: if he can build a rapport with Josh Allen straight away,

1084
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 9: then he could easily see one hundred and twenty plus

1085
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 9: targets in his rookie year.

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Speaker 2: One of the things we're asking our listeners today as

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: we take calls and get replies from social media, is

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00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: about a player that may have a resurgent a resurgent

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00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: season this upcoming for the Bills. There's some obvious answers,

1090
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: Von Miller, maybe Kyer Elam as well, and even the

1091
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: kicker Tyler Bass. But one of the names that pops

1092
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: up at time and time again is Matt Mulana, who

1093
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: is an All Pro linebacker, was off to a fantastic

1094
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: start four and a half games into the season and

1095
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: then got the freak injury to his knee. You ranked

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00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: him really high on all over your linebacker rankings. What

1097
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: are your thoughts about his ability to bounce back and

1098
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: come back and put together a season like that, there

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00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: is a.

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Speaker 9: Little bit of projection in putting him inside the top

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00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 9: five just because he's coming off that injury. But to

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Speaker 9: what you talked about there, in twenty twenty two, he

1103
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 9: was one of the best covered linebackers in football, and

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00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 9: he looked the same player in the first part of

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01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 9: twenty twenty three before the injury in coverage. He hasn't

1106
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 9: allowed a touchdown where he's been the primary coverage player

1107
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 9: since the divisional round of the playoffs at the end

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01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 9: of the twenty twenty one season. So there's a little

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Speaker 9: bit of projection, but I think you still lean on

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Speaker 9: what his past production's been and I think everything generally

1111
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 9: points to him still being a top five, maybe at worst,

1112
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Speaker 9: top ten linebacker this upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: Gordon, when you put together your list of one reason

1114
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: each AFC team would not make the playoffs this coming season,

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: your reason for the Bills was pretty straightforward. It basically,

1116
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: can they not make up for the loss of Digs.

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01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 1: It looks on the surface right now like it's going

1118
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: to be a sum of the parts type of replacement

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01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: to fill that void. I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 1: have done the statistical kind of research to look at

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01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: those kinds of changes. When an alpha male leaves a

1122
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: core and is replaced by the sum of the parts,

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Speaker 1: how successful that typically is. So if you have background

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Speaker 1: on that from all the number crunching you guys do

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Speaker 1: and film watching you guys do, let us have it.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise maybe just take a stab at it in

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Speaker 1: terms of what you think.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's more anecdotal than the numbers based. But I

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01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 9: think the big thing there is if you're going from

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Speaker 9: having that true number one wide receiver and you're going

1131
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 9: into more of a kind of bi committee type approach

1132
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 9: at wide receiver, you have to be set at the

1133
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 9: quarterback position. The Chiefs were okay losing Tyreek Hill because

1134
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 9: they had a quarterback that can help make up for

1135
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 9: that and can help make his wide receivers better. The

1136
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 9: Bills moving too, what will likely be a more shared

1137
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 9: approach across the entire group. If they didn't have a

1138
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 9: Josh Allen at quarterback, I would probably be far more concerned.

1139
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Speaker 9: And I think the important thing that's worth mentioning with

1140
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 9: that list is for a few of the teams in

1141
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 9: the a FC, the Bills being one of them, it

1142
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 9: was kind of pick here's the thing that could potentially

1143
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 9: give them some problems rather than I think the beld

1144
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 9: messed the playoffs for this reason. So I still think

1145
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 9: they're in pretty good shape.

1146
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: Is there any data that can back out? And we've

1147
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: tried to delve into it, a little bit of player

1148
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: coming into from where, say like a Curtis Samuel who

1149
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: came from the Commanders by way of the Panthers, played

1150
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: with Cam Newton in the last year or two of

1151
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: Cam's career and then got thrown in with Taylor Heinike

1152
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: and a sole slew of quarterback Bridge Teddy Bridgewater, quarterbacks

1153
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: who were not elite now coming to a situation where

1154
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: they've got a better culture and theoretically a better quarterback.

1155
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: Throwing to him about a guy finally getting a chance

1156
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: to play in an offense where he could spread his wings?

1157
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: What can you expect? And I understand the projection aspect

1158
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: of it, but what can Curtis Samuel do now that

1159
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: he's with a Josh Allen and in an offense that

1160
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: is more established.

1161
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Speaker 9: I actually saw a really interesting tweet, maybe even just yesterday,

1162
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 9: it was definitely recently, and it was by someone and

1163
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 9: out that Curtis Samuel's two most productive seasons have been

1164
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 9: when he's been away from Ron Rivera coach teams, and

1165
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 9: the tweet clarified it wasn't saying that Ron Rivera was

1166
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 9: bad for Curtis Samuel, but just like those systems didn't

1167
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 9: allow him to flourish. But when he has been in

1168
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 9: systems where he's been able to he's been able to

1169
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 9: put up better numbers. So, despite the fact that he

1170
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 9: has a veteran that's a good few years into his

1171
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 9: career at this point, I do think there's a pretty

1172
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 9: reasonable chance that the fact that he's going to have

1173
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 9: consistent quarterback play this year gives him the opportunity to

1174
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 9: go out and have a career year or put up

1175
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Speaker 9: some some pretty good numbers.

1176
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Speaker 1: I know, in the offseason moves calm you put together,

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01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: you thought the Bills could stand to add a little

1178
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: bit of cornerback help. And from a depth perspective, they

1179
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: would they would see in terms of proven players anyway,

1180
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: they would seem to be a little short at that position.

1181
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: What what do you envision, like just some veteran corner

1182
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: that's still out there on the free agent market, you know,

1183
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: sign into a one year deal justs for purposes or

1184
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: do you think they should try to bring somebody in

1185
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: to compete and try to push some of the younger

1186
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: guys like Elim and Benford.

1187
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 9: The interesting thing here is the reports that I've read

1188
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 9: suggest that Elam's look pretty good so far this offseason,

1189
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 9: and that would that would be a huge boost to

1190
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 9: the just the debt there and kind of cover them

1191
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 9: in terms of injuries. The other thing I think could

1192
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 9: be interesting is we're seeing teams now go out and

1193
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 9: bring in players from the UFL as that season's finishing

1194
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 9: up to wear a couple of cornerbacks there DeAndre Baker

1195
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 9: whose NFL career ended I think due to suspension and

1196
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 9: some stuff there. There's guys there I think potentially could

1197
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 9: be brought into to see if they can compete on

1198
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 9: the bottom end of rosters.

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Speaker 2: Last one for me is what team this offseason. Certainly

1200
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: there's a lot of candidates for this, but there will

1201
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 2: be get a research like Jim Harbaugh in with the

1202
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: Chargers and some of the teams that have made some

1203
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 2: subtle changes, some that have made massive changes. Which team

1204
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: do you feel like we'll take a stick forward this year? Certainly,

1205
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: you know there's you know the AFC North is you know,

1206
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: they've got a ton of teams, all of them had

1207
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: a winning record last year. Are there teams that were

1208
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: off the radar a year ago that you think are

1209
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: going to explode onto the radar?

1210
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 9: I think probably within the AFC North, the obvious one

1211
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 9: would be Cincinnati, but I think that's cheating a little

1212
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 9: bit because they were worth last year based on Joe

1213
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 9: Burrow being injured. I think the Pittsburgh Steelers, though, the

1214
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 9: moves they've made this offseason have given them a chance

1215
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 9: to be a lot better than they were as the

1216
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 9: seven seed last year. They aren't guaranteed to be great

1217
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 9: at quarterback, but they have taken two Swings and Russell

1218
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 9: Wilson and Justin Fields without having to risk much to

1219
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 9: take those moves. I think they've made some moves where

1220
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 9: their offensive line is going to be better. The question

1221
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 9: will be is it immediately better this year? But I

1222
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 9: think a lot of the moves they've made have given

1223
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 9: them given them a chance to take another step forward

1224
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 9: this year, and I think the big thing will be

1225
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 9: whether or not that actually allows them to know what

1226
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 9: they have at quarterback at the end of the year,

1227
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 9: or if at the end of the year. They're still

1228
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 9: looking for that quarterback.

1229
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: Gordon, thanks for the time. We appreciate it. Enjoy the offseason,

1230
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: because before you know it, we'll be out of training

1231
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: camp and you guys will be crunching numbers again for

1232
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: preseason games. Thanks very much, Thanks Gordon, Thanks very much.

1233
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: All Right, that's Gordon McGinnis joining us head of content

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01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 1: for Pro Football Focus and has turned out a lot

1235
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: of content for the down part of the season. Here,

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01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's playing games and they're still reviewing stuff

1237
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: there and projecting stuff. For twenty twenty.

1238
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: Four receiving corps with the highest grades the open receivers

1239
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: and passing snaps with three or more open receivers, and

1240
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three regular season, the Bills were number four

1241
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: in that category with three or more open receivers on

1242
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: a pass snap. Kansas City Chiefs led the league, Baltimore

1243
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: was second, the Cardinals were third, and the Bills were fourth,

1244
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: followed by the Houston Texans. Those were your top five.

1245
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff because they you know, it's every player on

1246
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: every play is their mantra, and they watch every player

1247
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: on every play and they try and decipher everything about

1248
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: that play that there is to be quantified, and they

1249
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: throw it into the hopper and the computer spits out

1250
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: the data. It's pretty interesting stuff, the stuff about screen passes.

1251
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm glad that he kind of felt about it the

1252
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: same way I did. Baltimore is a tough team to

1253
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 2: you know, they have a tough time throwing screen passes,

1254
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: and Buffalo has a tough time throwing screen passes because

1255
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: they got quarterbacks who defenses are trying to keep him

1256
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: den with their running game and they just they got

1257
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: their antenna. You can't slide a back out unnoticed because

1258
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: everybody's noticing because they're watching the quarterback for just that thing. So,

1259
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting now that I found out that

1260
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: Baltimore can't run screen passes either, So that kind of

1261
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: makes me feel better about my conjecture about why the

1262
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: Bills can't.

1263
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: You probably read that correct, please Staves, all things considered.

1264
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: Have my moments, Yeah, I thought it was rather astute

1265
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: assessment in terms of uncovering.

1266
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,959
Speaker 2: The why, the why of why we do it well, No, the.

1267
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: Why as to why the screens are a struggle at times.

1268
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: It is they haven't able to run those one of

1269
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: those things since Brian Dables first.

1270
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: Year, I will say down the stretch under Joe Brady,

1271
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: there were a couple of instances where it did work,

1272
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: and they used misdirection with with misdirection.

1273
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: Laterally play action and that kind of thing.

1274
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, or they or they'd run or sprint out Josh

1275
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: to the right and then throw the screen to the

1276
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: left side of the field, and it would work that

1277
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: way because all the eyes are on Josh to your point,

1278
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: So they would almost use that to their advantage by

1279
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: using him with misdirection and then throwing a screen on

1280
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,879
Speaker 1: the back side of the play. They had some success

1281
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: with some tunnel screens a little bit right, which kind

1282
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: of run down the shoot a little bit faster. They

1283
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: develop faster.

1284
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: In between the tackles right quick. Yeah, those are good.

1285
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: And shovel passes are always a thing as well. That

1286
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 2: can happen once or twice, although we haven't seen him

1287
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 2: do that too much either. So what happens is with

1288
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: the bills, and it's obvious Josh is so much the

1289
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: focus of everything that the defense thinks about that if

1290
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: he even if he throws it five herds, everybody's looking

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Speaker 2: right there all the time, and they're thinking about it

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Speaker 2: all the time, and they're already in position to recover

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Speaker 2: and make a play right there inside the tackles. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's a running back or Josh. It's just I mean

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Speaker 2: that your whole offense has to be predicated on getting

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Speaker 2: the ball from Josh to somebody else that the defense

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Speaker 2: isn't thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Let's crack open the tweet sheet, which we have yet

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Speaker 1: to do. Bill's player that will have a resurgence in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Tweet sheet brought to you by Corgan

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Speaker 1: Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: and Jack says Matt Milano's gonna come back with a vengeance.

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be a few weeks in, but he'll be

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01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: on a mission. They survived without him, but his return

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Speaker 1: and a fully healthy day Kwon Jones will make the

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Speaker 1: front seven of this defense.

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Speaker 2: He's scary.

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Speaker 1: Jack is feeling it. We're only in June.

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Speaker 2: I'm all about Hey, it'd be great if we had

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Speaker 2: a oh, it would be you know, a turnover, churning

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Speaker 2: sack getting defense. Now.

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Speaker 1: And you know we've mentioned this before, but Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: was quite clear last week when he addressed the media

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Speaker 1: and was asked questions about Milano's status. It was clear

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Speaker 1: there are still some hurdles for him to clear in

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Speaker 1: the interim here between now and the start of training

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Speaker 1: camp that will determine just how much he does. At

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Speaker 1: the outset of training camp. I think he will be participating,

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: but coach McDermott left open the possibility that he might

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Speaker 1: be in every other day participator, not a back to

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Speaker 1: back day participator, depending on how much progress he makes

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Speaker 1: in his recovery from now until the start of training camp.

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Speaker 1: Philip on the tweets sheet says Samuel will have over

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Speaker 1: one thousand yards from scrimmage screens, Gadget's handoffs, best QB

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Speaker 1: on the planet, throwing to him deep slot patterns and comebacks,

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Speaker 1: and then von Miller he has to or this team

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01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: can't win a Super Bowl. Bills lack a pure pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: If he plays Floyd role, he can be very effective.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting the stuff about not being able to win

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, because there's something to it that every

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: team who you see going in there to win the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they've got somebody like the Rams and Aaron Donnell,

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs and Chris Jones. All these teams that we've seen,

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Speaker 2: do that have a guy over there that can get

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Speaker 2: after the pass or like nobody's business. The Bills have

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: not had a guy at that level for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they it's I don't think

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Speaker 2: that there's any way you can say there's no way

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: they can do it without one of those guys. But

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Speaker 2: one of those guys makes a difference, and it does

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Speaker 2: seem to be a common characteristic of rosters that win it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying it's hopeless because we got to have one.

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Speaker 2: If we don't, we may as well just not play.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a team that can do it,

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Speaker 2: and I do think also they're there is a space

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: there to win the super Bowl with a with a

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Speaker 2: pass rush that is collective, not just one guy. You

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 2: don't need a JJ Watt in his prime or a t. J.

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01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 2: Watt in his prime, or an Aaron Donald or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But you can have a pass rush where like last

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01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: year with Sean McDermott, where all of a sudden, you

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Speaker 2: got now Matt Malone had two sacks in that game.

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Speaker 2: He didn't you know he had five on the season,

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Speaker 2: three of which come in a two game stretch, you

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01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And the same thing with a

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01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: you know, Leonard Floyd or you know this year at

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01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,879
Speaker 2: Casey two Hill, or an aj Apiness or Rousseau spreads

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Speaker 2: his wings. So I think if you get a ton

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Speaker 2: of guys and remember the Bill's defense that was so

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Speaker 2: good back in the two thousand and tens, I believe

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Speaker 2: when you had four guys with double digit sacks, including

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Speaker 2: Kyle Williams Mario Williams, you know those guys, that's a

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Speaker 2: plus and you don't need an alpha dog to get

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01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 2: it done. Now, certainly that was a team that couldn't

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Speaker 2: even make the playoffs with those guys, but it wasn't

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Speaker 2: because of their pass rush.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I know we had a caller earlier who was

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Speaker 1: commenting on how, in his opinion, your special teams units

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Speaker 1: were the best in Bill's history, and they were right

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Speaker 1: up there leading the league for a long time. You

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Speaker 1: guys were kind of ahead of the curve. You guys

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Speaker 1: were ahead of the rest of the league at that time.

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Speaker 1: And some of the practices that you guys employed the

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Speaker 1: game was special teams.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing too, that at that time it's

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: different and That's why it's hard to compare when I

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01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 2: played with where we're at now, because the rosters got big,

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01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: and teams were still worried about offense and defense, and

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01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: then they ended up not realizing they had three or

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01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 2: four guys at the end of their bench or whatever

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 2: that never played offense or defense. They were depth pieces,

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 2: and certainly they played special teams, but they were better

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 2: linebackers and tight ends and they were special teams players.

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Speaker 2: And then teams began to get into the thing where

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Speaker 2: there was a space for professional special teams players where

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01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: it was a big enough position group to be considered

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Speaker 2: in the final roster makeup. And Marv was ahead of

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Speaker 2: the curve on that, and Don Shula publicly said in

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Speaker 2: the off seasons of them when the Dolphins were all

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01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden started losing to the Bills with frequency,

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Speaker 2: so we got to match that, and so there was

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Speaker 2: a you know, you got two Hall of Fame coaches

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Speaker 2: who were going at it, and it was roster decisions

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: in the off season that was the difference sometimes. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: special teams was a big part of the league, a

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: bigger part then than I think then. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: be now A big part of it because of the

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Speaker 2: rule safety changes and the lack of you know, for

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Speaker 2: lack of a better word way to put it, the

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01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 2: kind of wild West atmosphere that was special teams at

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01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: the time. Now it's a little subdued. You can't overload,

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01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 2: you can't put guys under duress with old out numbers.

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 2: I think, guys, the rules changes have really changed how

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 2: difficult or easy it is to get an edge on

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Speaker 2: your opponent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was going to say the only other

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01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: era in Bill's history that comes close to your guys

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: era was probably under Bobby April from ten two thousand

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: and four to about twenty ten. It's forgotten because that

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01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: team went Those teams went absolutely nowhere and had losing records.

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Speaker 1: But there was some killer special teams units from four

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Speaker 1: to twenty ten under Bobby April. He had Terence mcgaey

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowl as a returner, Brian Mormon

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01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: was a Pro Bowl punter. You had coverage teams that

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: played lights out football and impacted games.

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: Ryanlundell was an excellent kicker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I still remember a game here

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Speaker 1: against the Saint Louis Rams, and just in the third quarter,

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01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: the Bills score, they got to kick off, and they

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01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: give Bobby April the green light to pop one up

1423
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: to an upman who's never fielded the ball in his life.

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01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: He fumbles the ball, the Bills recover, they go in

1425
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: and score and blow the game open. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: was the kind of impact that the special teams had,

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01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: and they had more license, more free license to make

1428
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: those plays because their offense couldn't. They would rely on

1429
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: their special teams to make game changing play.

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: Had to roll the dice once in a while with

1431
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 2: that team because of the end the offense was wasn't

1432
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: capable of score putting up points. Now in today's day

1433
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 2: and age, and you're gonna see it probably too this

1434
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: the fourth and twenty play for an on site instead

1435
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: of an on side in lieu of an on side kick.

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: You're gonna see that. You're gonna see different strategies be employed,

1437
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 2: and other opportunities emerge that will that will appear, excuse me,

1438
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: will appear more like down in distance plays rather than

1439
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: special teams plays. But the league has said time and

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01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 2: again and this new kickoff rule is is testament to

1441
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: that they're gonna keep the foot in football. And so

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: they that means kickoff and kickoff return. Otherwise it's just

1443
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 2: punt punt return, fueldal fuelgal defense. That's it. No free kick,

1444
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,879
Speaker 2: no nothing. So they're committed to keeping it in somehow

1445
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 2: and waste some way, shape or form. But the play

1446
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: continues to be far and away an injury garden. So

1447
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: they're trying to fix that. They're trying to make it

1448
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: more like a regular down and distance play, and you're

1449
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: going to see it at the end of these plays.

1450
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 2: In this new kickoff rule, you're going to see it's

1451
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 2: going to look a lot like a more slow moving

1452
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 2: running play, scrimmage play at the end of it than

1453
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 2: it is a wide ranging, wide open field top speed

1454
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: tops yes, top speed kickoff cover unit of the days

1455
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: of old. Yeah, so we'll see. But yeah, special teams

1456
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 2: has evolved vastly since the Dark Ages when I played,

1457
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 2: and to the player's benefit, no question. I don't know

1458
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 2: that it's the benefit of the game, but it has

1459
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: caused some a lot of a lot of changes to

1460
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 2: not only special teams decisions, tactics, rules changes, all of

1461
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 2: that stuff, but also to roster decisions. It started to

1462
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 2: affect that as well.

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: Break time for us here when we come back, more

1464
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: of the thoughts on the tweet sheets. Still taking your

1465
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: phone calls on the Bills player that you think will

1466
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: have a resurgence in twenty twenty four. Back with more

1467
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 1: in a moment here on one Bill's Live. All right,

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: back here on one Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve tasking

1469
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: with you, kicking around some of your comments on the

1470
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: tweet sheet in terms of the Bills player that will

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01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: have a resurgence in twenty twenty four. Phone line still

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Speaker 1: open though at eight h three zero five to fifty

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eighty five fifty two five point fifty.

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Speaker 1: Bill's Banter says Dawson Knox. He's healthy and an essential

1475
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: piece to the offense that Brady is implementing. Having Knocks

1476
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: and Kincaid on the field at the same time will

1477
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: create more matchups and improve the play action game. That

1478
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: thing was just starting to gain traction last year, and

1479
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: then Knox suffered a wrist injury that required surgery and

1480
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: missed ten weeks of the season. It really put a

1481
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: crimp in any of those plans, and we haven't really

1482
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: gotten around to mentioning this. I was gonna wait for

1483
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: a down day to kind of bring this subject up,

1484
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: but I'll raise it here. Bucky Brooks, our good friend

1485
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: from NFL dot Com, is of the belief that two

1486
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: tight end sets will have a resurgence of their own

1487
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four league wide. And when you see

1488
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: some of the talent that's been assembled, whether it's Brock

1489
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: Bowers going to the Raiders to be teamed up with

1490
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 1: Michael Meyer, who was their second round pick two years ago,

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01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo with Knox and Kincaid, and there are still other examples,

1492
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: the one in Green Bay, the young tandem of Tucker

1493
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: Kraft and Luke Musgrave. The He's of the belief that

1494
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: two tight end sets will see a spike in personnel

1495
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 1: usage this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can imagine why. I mean, you get two

1497
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: guys out there, and particularly a guy like Kinkaid, who

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01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 2: knocks is more of a traditional tight end where he

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01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: can put his hand on the ground at the end

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Speaker 2: of the line of scrimmage. Kinkaid can go out and

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01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 2: run wide receiver routes. But if you're gonna match him

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01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: with a corner to keep him from running wide receiver routes,

1503
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do when he comes back inside

1504
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 2: puts his hand on the ground light next to Dawson

1505
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 2: Knox and they run, you know, fifteen hundred pounds of

1506
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: you know, guys at you against a corner. So the

1507
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: matchup problems are obvious because you can throw ann pass

1508
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 2: out of it. The question is you got to do

1509
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: both really well. Will the Bills be able to do that?

1510
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: And certainly it doesn't seem like Kincaid and Knox would

1511
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 2: be the problem with that, and the offensive line seems

1512
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 2: to be big and athletic enough, so we'll see. It

1513
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 2: is intriguing because you got to have that in your

1514
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 2: in your you know, in your ammo box, because it

1515
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: may be just the perfect delixor against a certain type

1516
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: of defense or certain guys. And that's where that's where

1517
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: you bring it out and say, hey, this defense has

1518
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 2: no shot against two tight end. They're gonna struggle and

1519
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: make them pay.

1520
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think part of the reason they didn't

1521
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: do it even more last year, aside from the Knox injury,

1522
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: was because they didn't want to take some of their

1523
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: receivers off the field. Now I think you have a

1524
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: little bit more liberty and leeway to do that. You

1525
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: could keep Samuel and Shakir on the field and just

1526
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: put Knox and King Kid out there with.

1527
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 2: Them, and with cooking the back.

1528
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: Arguably still have your three top receiving options still on

1529
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: the field because King Kaid's.

1530
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 2: One of them, right. Kinkaid led the from the guys

1531
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: coming back. Kinkaid led the team in targets. Yeah, so

1532
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 2: I can imagine his targets are going to go up

1533
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: this year overall. Maybe not in frequency, but certainly he's

1534
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: gonna play more from the jump than he did last year.

1535
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: And you know, Knox is gonna if he can stay healthy.

1536
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: That guy's a red zone threat. Yeah. It just seems

1537
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 2: like a lot of good things going on over there.

1538
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: And with the offensive line as big and physical as

1539
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: it is, man, you gotta you know, if you're coming

1540
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: into playing, you gotta think, wow, okay or deep, we're

1541
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: gonna put our big boy pants on to stop these

1542
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: guys and stop the big just the physical push let

1543
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:20,919
Speaker 2: alone cover them.

1544
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: From Jeremy on the tweet sheet, Tyler Bass because he

1545
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: has to. I don't fault him for the loss to KC,

1546
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: but he had a rough last half of the season.

1547
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: I don't take mini camp all too seriously, but he

1548
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: seemed to be having a tough time out there as well.

1549
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: There was one day where he missed four out of

1550
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: six kicks and then missed another three after that, So

1551
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: he did have a rough day late in the spring.

1552
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 1: But Mini camp is not preseason and it's not regular season,

1553
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes. And I don't say.

1554
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 2: This operation's rusty as well, So there's a lot in

1555
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: that I don't you don't want to miss.

1556
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't say this too negatively exposed Tyler

1557
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: bass In any way. These are the stats, They're simple facts.

1558
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: In his Bill's career. In the postseason, he's twelve of seventeen.

1559
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: That has to be better. Now, there are some blocked

1560
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: kicks in there. One against Pittsburgh, and to Steve's point

1561
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: that nobody remembers if you miss a kick and a

1562
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: blowout win, he had a missed extra point and he

1563
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: had a blocked kick in the perfect game against New

1564
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: England forty seven to seventeen.

1565
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 2: That's right. And I'll say this too, the kicker from

1566
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: La ain't kicking in Buffalo in January. In November, you know,

1567
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 2: none of these other guys are gonna have he kicks

1568
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: in as bad of conditions as anybody in the league

1569
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: may be worse. So there's that there's that margin there

1570
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 2: as well. But nevertheless, he's got practicing and he's done

1571
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: in his entire career, and he's got to find a way.

1572
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: He's got to find a way to.

1573
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: Make kicks sabers been Jills ninety two, says Kyer Elam.

1574
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: He will get more reps and cut down on his penalties. Yeah,

1575
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: I think that's the hope. If he comes in and

1576
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: plays as well in training camp in the preseason as

1577
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: he did in the spring, he's gonna be pushing one

1578
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: of those guys for a starting job on the outside,

1579
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: whether it's Douglas or Benford. So it's it's gonna be

1580
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: a fascinating position battle because you got three guys who

1581
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I think this coaching staff believes is starting caliber, but

1582
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: you only have two spots on the outside because Tarren

1583
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: Johnson's your nickel and there's no debate about that.

1584
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: And I honest say this too. If Kyrie Inam comes

1585
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: out and plays the way he can, I think he

1586
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: can win a starting job. And I think Benford's are

1587
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 2: going to be a hard guy to get off the field.

1588
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 2: I think Russeulle Douglas's position perfectly at this point of

1589
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 2: his career to be a guy who can be ready

1590
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: and stay ready on the sidelines and come in because

1591
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 2: of injury. I mean, he's long in the tooth. It'll

1592
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: give him a chance to stay fresh. He's not one

1593
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 2: of those elite athlete guys. He's a heady guy, which

1594
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: which suits perfectly, which suits perfectly from being ready mentally

1595
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: and just coming in plugging in. Russell Douglas will do

1596
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: that the way he did last the last half of

1597
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: last year. He comes in after trade and the guys

1598
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: get churning out a pick a game.

1599
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: At like seven takeaways in five games.

1600
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: So you really like where he landed in his Bill's

1601
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 2: career in the last half of last season. But he's

1602
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 2: in a different spot in his career now, so it'll

1603
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: be I think, I think it's really interesting, like you said,

1604
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 2: the competition that's going to go on there.

1605
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: Tom on the tweet, she says Von Miller, he restructured

1606
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: his contract to make the majority of it incentive base,

1607
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: so he is truly betting on himself this year. Gotta

1608
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: love that offense. Dawson Knox. I feel he's going to

1609
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: be that offensive weapon the defenses forget about, and he

1610
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: will make them pay for it.

1611
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1612
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: Again, it's a sum of the parts receiving corps. You know,

1613
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the alpha dog anymore in Diggs. They

1614
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: arguably don't have their number two, although gave Davis's stats

1615
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: weren't befitting of a number two receiver. Right, So you

1616
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: can slay you can make the argument that Dalton Kincaid

1617
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: was your number two last year.

1618
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: Don't don't. Here's what you gotta remember as well. We

1619
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: talked about the targets. Oh my guy, Steph digs a one

1620
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six targets and Gabe had you know,

1621
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 2: ninety or whatever it was he had. What are you

1622
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 2: gonna do? Listen, they're not gonna throw the ball less

1623
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: Josh gonna throw it to somebody. They're not gonna come

1624
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 2: out and all of a sudden throw run the ball

1625
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six more times because Steph Diggs

1626
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: ain't there. They're gonna they're gonna throw it, and these

1627
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: guys know it. Somebody's gotta be out there to catch it.

1628
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 2: So don't think that you know the sky's falling, because

1629
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: there's nobody catch passes. Somebody's gonna be out there for

1630
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 2: those hundred and fifty six or three hundred and fifteen

1631
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: targets that they're shy of. This year, somebody's gonna be there,

1632
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 2: and somebody's gonna get those targets, and all these guys

1633
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 2: would love a big share of them.

1634
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 1: Gotta take a break here, but when we come back,

1635
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 1: some final thoughts on the tweet Stay tuned. We'll be

1636
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: right back here on one Bill's Live. All right back

1637
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: here on one Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

1638
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 1: Some final thoughts on the tweet sheet, and Dan says,

1639
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: came here to say this. Dawson has great hands as

1640
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: a get open, over the top player. He can win

1641
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: contested catches and run over people. He had an injury

1642
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: last year that slowed him down and opened the door

1643
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: for Kinkaid's great year. Having both healthy and in play

1644
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: could pay great dividends. Luke says, I hope Von Miller,

1645
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: but to choose someone different, I'm going with day Kwon Jones.

1646
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,839
Speaker 1: He started off so hot last year and was arguably

1647
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: playing some of the best et in the league. He

1648
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: comes back healthy and playing alongside and even better at Oliver.

1649
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: I think he plays at a pro bowl level. He

1650
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,879
Speaker 1: was playing like a monster last year before he got hurt. Yeah,

1651
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. Yeah, that's that's the great unknown. As he

1652
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: headed into the season, Ryan says it has to be

1653
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: Von Miller. The Bills need Vaughn to show he can

1654
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: get back to being a contributing force. I expect that

1655
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 1: along with a rise in production from Epinessa and Groot.

1656
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah nice if you get a bump from Groot and

1657
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Epinessa too.

1658
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those guys are are They're steady, You're not always spectacular.

1659
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 2: We've seen Groot do some things like he's batted the

1660
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,520
Speaker 2: ball for an interception a couple of times, knocked it down.

1661
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 1: And great run defender.

1662
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: They've both done that. Epineza scored against Washington last year.

1663
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, tipped it to him, tipped.

1664
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 2: To himself, and and uh Russeau did the same thing

1665
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: to Mahomes in a in a game in Kansas City.

1666
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 2: Tipped it to himself. He didn't get away with it.

1667
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't run down the field for a touchdown,

1668
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: but he did it in his own end of the field.

1669
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: So they've both got the ability to do that. And

1670
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 2: he'd love to see it more regularly. Along with high

1671
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 2: sack numbers. I love to see one of those guys,

1672
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 2: one of the draft picks get to double digits.

1673
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we only had five sacks, but with second in

1674
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,879
Speaker 1: tackles for lost, second in quarterback hits, John says Curtis

1675
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: Samuel One, he's one of the fastest receivers off the

1676
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: line in the entire NFL. And two he's never benefited

1677
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: from a leading quarterback such as Josh Allen. Yeah, we're

1678
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,440
Speaker 1: all hoping that translates.

1679
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thought. An upgrade in the people around

1680
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel will elevate his game. A rising tide raises

1681
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 2: all ships and all these you know, Josh does it

1682
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 2: to them, and the guys around Josh have helped him

1683
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: as well. The offensive line is a big boost as well.

1684
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: We'll see.

1685
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: That's it for us today. We are off tomorrow for Juneteenth,

1686
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: so we'll catch you on Thursday at one. Everybody