1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is and Smitha. I'm welcome to Stuff I 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: Never Told You, Production of My Heart Radio. And today 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: we're bringing back one that's gonna feel like a bit 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: of a time capsule. And I have to admit I 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: have just done my taxes and it was a time 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: capsule because I thought this happened last year, but it 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: did not our book. We're talking about our book in 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: this episode. I was put in my taxes and everything 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: and I looked at it. I was like, oh no, 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: that was a couple of years ago. Yes, I'm glad 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: I got it. But anyway, so some of it is 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: a little dated. It's been out for a while, but 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: I do think it's important because in it we talk 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: about the importance of a feminist works and book bands 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: and all of the stuff that Unfortunately it is even 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: more relevant than when we were talking about it then. 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: So I wanted to bring it back and please enjoy 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: welcome to Stefan Never Told You Protection of iHeartRadio. And 20 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: today we have a very special edition of a book 21 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: club for you. It's going to be a bit of 22 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: a discussion around the importance of feminist books, and also 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: why we should be paying attention to all of the 24 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: book banning efforts going on right now. But it's also 25 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: special because we have a very important announcement. We have 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: been hinting at it, we have been alluding to it, 27 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: and it's finally time. Is it is. Samantha and I 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: wrote a book, wrote a damn book. We did. It's 29 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: hard to believe. Honestly, it really really is. We did it. 30 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: It was a whirlwind, and you'll hear more about the 31 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: process of writing it in our upcoming Monday Mini But yes, 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: the book is called Stuff I've Never told You, The 33 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: Feminist Past, Present and Future. It comes out on August 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: twenty ninth. 35 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: Of twenty twenty three of twenty Yes, good dead that part, 36 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 2: very good call that you never know August twenty ninth 37 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three, and you can pre order it 38 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: at stuff you Should Read books dot com. 39 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: You can also find the link on our social media channels. 40 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: So yes, yes, go do it. It was a very 41 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: daunting process, as writing any book is, but also writing 42 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: any book about femine. Honestly, things changed so quickly, literally, 43 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: chapters we wrote or changing as we were writing them. 44 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, because we started the whole thing twenty twenty one. 45 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh yeah, I think. 46 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we had to keep changing it throughout, but 47 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: of course we had a lot of people helping, yeah, 48 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: on this journey. But yeah, it does feel like there's 49 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: so much outdated that we kept going, can we fix this? 50 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: Can we fix it? 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: Can we go back and add this in there? Yeah? 52 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: And it is. It's one of those things where it 53 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: reminds me of how my mom feels about when she 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: cooks things, where she's always nitpicking her own cooking. But 55 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, it tastes really good. It's hard for me 56 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: to look at this objectively, but there are some really 57 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: cool parts I love about it. One is we were 58 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: lucky enough. Samantha had this idea like, let's add in 59 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: this graphic novel elements because we love that kind of stuff, 60 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: and we were lucky to work with a local illustrator 61 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: named Helen Choi, and Helen turned in our kind of 62 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: rambling ideas into beautiful art. 63 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: I would say it's probably one of my favorite parts 64 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: to the book, having her doing all the wonderful illustrations 65 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: of some of the stories that we thought were important, 66 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: and then having some of the best like graphics for again, 67 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: parts of the things that we couldn't say but wanted 68 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: to show. So she did a wonderful job. And it's 69 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: so so fun. 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: Yes it is. It's really really fun. It was a 71 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: fun collaborating process, which we will talk about more in 72 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: our Monday mini. We were also lucky enough to work 73 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: with Jane Franson, who was kind of our editor ghost writer, 74 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: basically the person who made sure we got stuff done. 75 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: I'd like, I think we came in with an idea 76 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: that we would have a ghost writer, and then she 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: just ended up being our editor and then our manager, 78 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: kind of our agent. She just became everything a representative 79 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: and advocate for us. Not only would she go through 80 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: everything we wrote and be like, okay, we're going to 81 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: change this and this and this and make us sound 82 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: very smart, thank you very much, but she really wasn't 83 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: in between for being a translator, yes, between us in 84 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: the book world, because there's so many things that we 85 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: don't know in that field, and she was just a 86 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 3: pro holding our hands the entire time and making sure 87 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: that we were equipped to move forward. 88 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: Yes, because we did not know what we were doing, like 89 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: not at all full transparency. We did not know. We 90 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: would ask the most I assume, basic questions, but she 91 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: was so kind and so yes helpful, and there would 92 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: literally be times where one of us or both of 93 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: us are having a panic attack and she would like 94 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: talk us down. 95 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she did like even after we were done 96 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: trying to write acknowledgments my bio, I would send her 97 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: my clip. 98 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: I was like, what do you think of this? 99 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: She would be like, yes, this is good, but let's 100 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: add this part. But she would The entire thing was 101 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: so less painful. Yes because of her. 102 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. So look out for our Monday mini where 103 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: we talk more about that. Definitely check out you can 104 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: see an excert on that website. I read stuff you 105 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: should read books dot com and they chose we also 106 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: have Another idea of Samantha's was that there would be 107 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: these kind of like fictional women interludes. Of course, Princess 108 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: Leah's in there, but they chose the last of us 109 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: when I'm assuming because of the current interest to show 110 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: as an excert. So go check it out and you 111 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: can see some of the illustrations and they're really really 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: beautiful and amazing, and so we're happy to share it 113 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: with you. Now we don't have to be like coy 114 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: about it anymore. And we'll probably we'll be talking about 115 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: it more, we'll be mentioning it more. There might even 116 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: be some like hangouts virtual or in real life. Who knows, 117 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: who knows what? Well hell yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But 118 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: like we said, it is a bit daunting task. And 119 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: one of the things we wanted to talk about in 120 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: this is the importance of feminist books and feminism in books. 121 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: And I was looking it up and there seemed to 122 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: be some very basic things that kept coming up, and 123 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: one was defying patriarchal stereotypes. And that was in particular, 124 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: like even like in children's books or in fictional books, 125 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: of the importance of younger people to see something that 126 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: is not what you know, like these kind of traditional 127 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: patriarchal stereotypes that we normally get fed at a young age, 128 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: and why that's so important, and there is a lot 129 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: of research and science behind that. There's also just kind 130 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: of opening up your mind, both of young folks but 131 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: of older folks, and you and I have talked about that. 132 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: Of basically, for me, it was college, and there's been 133 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: some a little bit earlier than that, but college was 134 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: the big period where I started reading these materials or 135 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: consuming these materials, and it really changed how I looked 136 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: at the world and made me challenge how I looked 137 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: at the world, which is hugely important. Also, they provide 138 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: context and education. So many of the books we've focused 139 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: on in these book clubs have done that, and they've 140 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: done it so graciously when they honestly don't have to 141 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: be so gracious, but because it's true, like if you're 142 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: raised in one environment, it's so helpful to find a 143 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: book like this that's like, here's why you need to 144 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: start thinking about this or questioning this, or are those 145 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: kinds of things. It's just hugely important, and it's like everywhere. 146 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: I still love that. We've talked about topics ranging from 147 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: intersexual environmentalism to just basic like ableism or just basic 148 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: feminism and how it impacts every thing and that can 149 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: help shape how we view the world we live in. 150 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: The structures around us, can give you the tools to 151 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: combat oppression, to make society better, to recognize the toxic 152 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: systems and mindsets you've been raised in. And yeah, this 153 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: is sort of it's been very helpful to learn for me, 154 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: like how everything is intersectional, how you can't just separate 155 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: out these different threads that they all relate. And there 156 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: is so much to talk about when it comes to feminism, 157 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: it touches everything. And that was one of the big 158 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: struggles we had with this book. Well, so how do 159 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: we choose what to talk about and what not to 160 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: talk about? And it's just so so, so so much. 161 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: But I do think it's very very valuable. I think 162 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: that it has been. I think that I love when 163 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: we do a book club and they talk about another 164 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: book that they read that influenced them. Kind of seeing 165 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: all the impact of these books on how people think 166 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: and what they write about or what they pursue and 167 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: starting these conversations that are so so so important. And 168 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: as we talked about when we kind of did our 169 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: wrap up of twenty twenty two, we were talking about 170 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: book club, so many of these books that we've read 171 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: on here have just kind of opened another pathway in 172 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: my brain for thinking about something differently, or giving it 173 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: more context, or putting into words what I couldn't quite 174 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: put into words. And it's just it's so powerful that 175 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: kind of exchanging, especially if it's a an experience you 176 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: don't know too much about. It's just it really really 177 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: can open you up and make you think about things 178 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: differently in a way that is more conducive to. 179 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: A better world, I would hope. 180 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: I think something that we have seen in many of 181 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: the books is that people are really giving themselves and 182 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: are being vulnerable within these books. And it's a privilege 183 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: to be a part of that just by reading what 184 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: has been published. When we talk about Bill Hooks or 185 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: any of the essays, that they really put it all 186 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: the work so much beforehand that coming back to it 187 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: and rediscovering it even though it's been around, has been 188 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: so important. And that's why when things are written down, 189 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: why we find it so important that we continue to 190 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: read it, because it is it doesn't go away, thank God. 191 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: And it may take a little while for us to 192 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: find again or to discover again, but it does. And 193 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 3: no matter as we're about to talk about, no matter 194 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: how people might push back, it can't go away, thank goodness. 195 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that we see is 196 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: that when we take something and are able to really 197 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: hone in on what it's trying to teach us, that 198 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: how valuable and how powerful those tools are are. And 199 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: I find it encouraging that we are able to access 200 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: that today. 201 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. And I think, like I said, 202 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: there's just so much you can find such niche things. 203 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: It's it's amazing and I love it. But it's important. 204 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: It is important, And like you said, this is even 205 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: a bigger deal right now given the wave of book 206 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: banning that we're seeing, especially around gender identity and LGBTQ 207 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: plus issues under the guys that these books are quote 208 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: sexually explicit, and race activism and feminist books are targeted 209 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: to as well as sex ed and abortion. I just 210 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: saw the day in Florida. They're trying to make it 211 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: so you can't talk the administration to people who are 212 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: a certain age, which is hilarious. 213 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: But I did see that lots of people in Florida 214 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: are doing a reading. So I think it's becoming a 215 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: new form of protest and I love it. 216 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. Yeah, there's been there's been a 217 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: couple of day has been pushed back in protest, and 218 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a little about the end. But 219 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: the US and people in general have a long history 220 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: of censorship and book banning, especially around religion, enslafement, and racism. 221 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Jencrow Ara South is a big one, and sex and gender, 222 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: including birth control and conscious sceptives. According to the National 223 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: Geographic Quote. By the nineteen twenties, Boston was so notorious 224 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: for banning books that authors intentionally printed their books there 225 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: and hopes that the inevitable ban would give them a 226 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: publicity boost elsewhere in the country. Uh, but yes, book 227 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: banning is seeing a very big surge right now. Almost 228 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: every state in the US has seen arized in the 229 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: banning of books in recent years. 230 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: Right as a fight. Let's go over some numbers. From 231 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: July twenty twenty one to June twenty twenty two, Pan 232 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: America's Index of school book Bans list two five hundred 233 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: and thirty two instances of individual books being banned, affecting 234 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: one six hundred and forty eight unique book title. The 235 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 3: one thousand, six hundred forty eight titles are by two 236 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty one different authors, two hundred and ninety illustrators, 237 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: and eighteen translators, impacting the literary, scholarly, and creative work 238 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: of one thousand, five hundred and fifty three people, all 239 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: together with other books that haven't been reported on top 240 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: of the bands occurred in one hundred and thirty eight 241 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: school districts in thirty two states. These districts represent five 242 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: forty nine schools with a combined enrollment of nearly four 243 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: million students. 244 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is all part of a big pan 245 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: American study that a lot of people are referencing right now, 246 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: and you should go check it out because it has 247 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: a lot of data. For one, you can look at 248 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: who what state s the most bands, Texas as the most, 249 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: followed by Florida. The report found that ninety six percent 250 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: of the bands did not follow the best practice guidelines 251 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: for book challenges outlined by the American Library Association and 252 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: the National Coalition against Censorship. Nearly half of the book 253 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: spanned are young adult books. Here's another quote from the study. 254 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: The vast majority of the books targeted by these groups 255 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: for removal feature LGBTQ plus characters or characters of color, 256 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: and or cover race and racism in American history, LGBTQ 257 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: plus identities, or sex education. 258 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, again, just a reminder, it's not even 259 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: about that they talk about sex. It's just mentioning a 260 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: character that might be gay, queer, or anything. So from 261 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: GPB quote Cheryl Lewis Hudson, an author and publisher specializing 262 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: in children's books celebrating black culture and black history, said 263 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: that book bands are about power and that they are 264 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: nothing new. She said the trend of book bands is 265 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: not only censorship, but a rature of marginalized communities. So 266 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: there is a trend in an underlying pattern of white 267 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: supremacy really that is challenging the actual existence of people 268 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: of color in a democracy, and I think that's very obvious. 269 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: I'm not even trying to hide it now. 270 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: No, no, no. There's also been an increase in something 271 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: called preemptive bands, removing books that might be banned before 272 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: they're even banned. So in one case in Tennessee, our 273 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: library removed one third of their books from their shelves 274 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: and anticipation of a state law on LGBTQ plus content 275 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: that didn't pass, So they were just anticipating it and 276 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: they removed the books anyway, and that didn't happen. There's 277 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: also silent bands, where books are removed, are not displayed 278 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: to avoid controversy, and are labeled. Sometimes are labeled as inappropriate, 279 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: either in online catalogs or physically, like with actual warning 280 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: stickers placed on the books. 281 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know in bookstores, I've seen people 282 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: turning books around that they don't like, and then they 283 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: will come right back behind them and turning them back. 284 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: It's quite a back and forth. 285 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: Okay, So here's another quote from the pen America report. 286 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: There have also been efforts to keep books out of 287 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: the hands of children, even if they remain in circulation. 288 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: So one prominent example of such activity was the Hide 289 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: the Pride, an initiative Catholic Vote dot org in June 290 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. Catholic Vote encourage members to check out 291 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: books from the Pride twenty twenty two displays in children's 292 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 3: sections of public libraries and to take pictures of the 293 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 3: empty shelves. 294 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: Yes, and there there is a difference between a book 295 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: challenge and a book ban. A lot of times book 296 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: ban is getting used for a lot to encompass a 297 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: lot more than what it traditionally means. There's also a 298 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: difference between that and being canceled, which comes up in 299 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: this conversation too. And who can challenge or ban a 300 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: book varies by locality, so it gets really really messy, 301 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: really really fast. The report also found that this what 302 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: we're seeing right now of banning books is largely the 303 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: work of organizations and groups, many of them that popped 304 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: up in twenty twenty one, notably after the twenty twenty 305 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: election and the insurrection and schools reopening, and some openly 306 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: push Christian nationalist values. It's also politics involved in a 307 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of this, obviously, right. 308 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: So here's another quote from GPB. Fifty groups at the state, national, 309 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: and local level with as many as three hundred chapters 310 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: highlight a role in at least half of the book 311 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 3: bands enacted across the country during the twenty twenty one 312 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: twenty two school year. Of those groups, seventy three percent 313 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 3: were formed in twenty twenty one, according to that report. 314 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have in some cases harrassed and threatened 315 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: librarians and teachers. They've called them pedophiles, they've called them groomers. 316 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: They've attempted to defund entire libraries. They've filed criminal charges. 317 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: Several states have laws about providing pornographic material, which is 318 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: often the case used against queer content in this context. 319 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: This is a major thing people get wrong because the 320 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: issue is often framed as worried parents asking for a 321 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: banning of books, which it sometimes is. Yeah, so there 322 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: is that, but Plenty of people speaking at these meetings 323 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: that you've seen about banning books don't have kids, or 324 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: their kids are adults. Many will openly admit that they 325 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: haven't even read the book in question, but they will 326 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: just google like a book with queer character, and then 327 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: that's it. These groups have spreadsheets that they just circulate 328 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: where try to get this book banned in your area. 329 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: One of the groups is recognized as an LGBTQ plus 330 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: hate group and claim that January sixth was quote clearly 331 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: a setup. Many have names like Moms for Liberty, and 332 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: the Moms for Liberty has two hundred branches. They are organized, 333 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: they are recognized. The SANTIS spoke at one of their 334 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: conferences about parental rights as it's called. They market themselves 335 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: as grassroots, but many have connections to wealthy Republicans and 336 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: are very much not grassroots. Here's a quote from a 337 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: transgender man named Chris Mall. People are scared because they 338 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: don't think l GPTQ people should exist. They don't want 339 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: their own children to be LGBTQ, and they feel if 340 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: they can limit access to these books and materials, then 341 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: their children won't be that way, which is simply not true. 342 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: And it's heartbreaking and disgusting. 343 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: Which is hilarious because yeah, this is historical. 344 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: We have historical evidence. This does not work. 345 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: That's not a thing. And because you're pushing back on 346 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: it so hard, you're about to get a flip. Like 347 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 3: the only hope that I feel like we have when 348 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: we talk about these subjects. And there's a lot of 349 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: bad news happening here all over the country. Georgia just 350 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: got some today and I'm very much in a flunk. 351 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: But the fact that I know with these pushes, oftentimes 352 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: the flip happens, and that means it's going to be 353 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: a revolution type of thing, and it's to be glorious 354 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 3: to see. I feel like every time. It may take 355 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 3: ten years, but it will come back and I'm excited 356 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: to see that part. 357 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, me too. And then I didn't really 358 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: go into it too much. But Florida is like a 359 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: big focal point of this. It is not by any 360 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: means the only state doing this, but that they're like 361 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: that don't the so called don't say gay law. One 362 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: of the things we've seen in its wake is confusion 363 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: of like teachers not knowing what to do. They've been 364 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: told to quote air on the side of caution. And 365 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, while DeSantis and his supporters will say, well, 366 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: it's just I think grade grade three and below, but 367 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: it also has age appropriate in there, which means that 368 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: any parent at any time could challenge a teacher and 369 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: could get in big trouble or a librarian. And we've 370 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: seen those videos of empty shelves, and you know, there's 371 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: been some back and forth about some of them not 372 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: being true, but some of them are. Uh, and so 373 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: that's that's a heartbreaking. That's like students being deprived of 374 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: all of the material. And then, if you're curious, this 375 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: was more than I really wanted to break down in this, 376 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: but I was interested in it. So this whole parental 377 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: rights argument isn't new either, but it is also in 378 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: juxtaposition of the First minute rights of students. And there 379 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: have been several Supreme Court cases affirming the rights of students. 380 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: And here's the quote from one of them. Local school 381 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: boards may not remove books from school libraries simply because 382 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: they dislike the ideas contained in those books. Now, unfortunately, 383 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: our current Supreme Court kind of sucks, so who knows, right. 384 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 3: That might be turned over again. Yeah, it's quite interesting 385 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: because again with the news, there's a lot of anti 386 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: trans bills and it's targeted at parents and young children. 387 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: Supposedly we always targeted at trans people in general, but 388 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: the language is talking about children to the fact that 389 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: they're also going after medical professionals who may assist. But 390 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: I find that again ironic about parental rights. But yet 391 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: we take away parental rights right But again once again 392 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: so library and Sam Helmick said, can we acknowledge that 393 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 3: this will have a chilling effect? And when you tell 394 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 3: me that books about myself as an asexual, non binary person, 395 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: who didn't have those books in the libraries when I 396 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: was a kid to pick up and flip through, but 397 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 3: now publishing has caught up with me and I can 398 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 3: see representation of me. Those will be behind the desk, 399 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 3: and that's not supposed to make me feel less welcome, 400 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 3: less seen, and less represented in my library. And there's 401 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: so much again the whole level, because we're not even 402 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: tackling critical race theory, which is a part of this 403 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 3: conversation too. They want to take anything out that has 404 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: a conversation about race because they don't know what critical 405 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: race theory is. Again, they also obviously can't tell what 406 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: queer porn is versus just a story about a queer person. 407 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is highly offensive because then the the 408 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: understanding is that all queer people are just pornographic in nature. 409 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you do you, but that's quite an assumption 410 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: to make. So yeah, this has been kind of grand. 411 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: There are some positives though. Polls have found that Americans 412 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: across the political spectrum do not approve of book bands, 413 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: and there have long been efforts to push back. They 414 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: are happening now, They've been happening for a long time. 415 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: My high school had a Banned Books Week. There's a 416 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: band book Week in September, and we would celebrate it 417 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: in my high school. Although I bet that would not 418 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: fly now, I bet that would not fly, But I 419 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: loved it. It was great because so many books that 420 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: are banned are like books that we loved. It's like 421 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: that you don't know why they're banned anyway. Students have 422 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: been fighting b well, in the face of like jeering 423 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: and taunting from adults. Adults, the librarians and teachers and 424 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: parents are fighting back. You can find a lot of 425 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: inspirational stories about it. Also heartbreaking, but inspirational. It's heartbreaking 426 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: what they had to go through, and they have seen 427 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: some successes. So for example, quote round Rock Black Parents 428 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: Association successfully campaigned for the book Stamped for Kids, Racism, 429 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: Anti Racism and You, A History of Racism in the 430 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: US by the black authors Jason Reynolds and Ebram X 431 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 1: Kendy to remain on the shelves after it faced a ban. 432 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: Hundreds of parents and anti censorship activists campaigned in New 433 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: Jersey to keep a series of books addressing LGBTQ plus experiences, 434 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: including Gender Queer by Mayacobabe and A Long Boy by 435 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: Jonathan Ivison in school libraries. And by the way, Gender 436 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: Queer is the most banned book in America right now. 437 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: So there is good news, but we have to keep 438 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: fighting because the other a lot of the things I read, 439 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: we're saying, like we a lot of people don't realize 440 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: how organized this like banning book effort is. That it's 441 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: not just like a random parent, Like it's an organization 442 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: that is targeting and finding support. So that's important to know, 443 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: Like it is not just like a parent that it 444 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: has suddenly been like, oh, I don't think my kid 445 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: should be reading this. There are spreadsheets and like sign 446 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: up sheets and make sure you're at this meeting. 447 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that goes to say about all the 448 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: things that we're seeing right now, because across the board, 449 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: the majority of people are in support of the things 450 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: that are being banned. Whether it's abortion, whether it's career rights, 451 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: and whether it's book bands, whether there it's critical race theory, 452 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: the majority of people, according to the polls, are actually 453 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: in support of it or we just really don't care 454 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: enough to do this. Literally like sixty percent if not 455 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: higher for all of these things. So we know is 456 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: an organized few. And that's the scary part. And again, 457 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: this is what we're watching. I don't want to compare 458 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: it to all things, but when it comes to fascism, 459 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: there is is a playbook, and it seems to be 460 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: that we are following this playbook. 461 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, anytime like censorship and book banning, 462 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: you need to keep an eye on it. It's not 463 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: a good thing. Like controlling power and education like that 464 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: is very very concerning. And yeah, like like we've said, 465 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: many of the amazing books we've talked about in this 466 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: segment have been banned. I know, fun Home for Me 467 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: comes to mind. We talked about it in that episode, 468 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: and it is it's harmful for people to lose access 469 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: to these amazing works and you know, seeing yourself, especially 470 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: as a young person, Like it's so important when you're 471 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: going through this kind of tumultuous time try and figure 472 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: out who you are. And then they're removing books. I mean, 473 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: what are you supposed to take from that? 474 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: And just as a reminder, and I love it. Social 475 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: media is an amazing platform for us to be reminded 476 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: that there are more of us than them. 477 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yes there are, there absolutely are, and it does matter, 478 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: like we said, like the power of seeing yourself, of 479 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: challenging white supremacy, of challenging peric jerch. You're just like 480 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: like for me, like coming from a small town and 481 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: getting this material and having like a real awakening sounds 482 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: kind of a nerdy, but like you know, like, oh, 483 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: there's so much more that I wasn't getting that I 484 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: was being told and that was harmful to me and 485 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: to everyone around me to like all of those things. 486 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: Like it's so important that we have access to these things. 487 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: So so, if if any of you have been involved 488 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: in these efforts to fight back against book banning, we 489 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 1: would love, love, love for you to let us know. 490 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: You can certainly see our upcoming episode on the writing process. 491 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I did have a thought of like a wonderful we'll 492 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: get banned that. The only thing is, I feel like 493 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: you have to have a certain level of popularity to 494 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: be banned, right, so we'll see. 495 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: You made if we get banned, Like if this is 496 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: still going, I will fill this pride of knowing that 497 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: we got banned. 498 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: We made somebody angry enough, not I mean. 499 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: Ine people angry, just why talking about Stacey Abrams. 500 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: So let us go that's true. It's true. Well, if 501 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: you want to check out this book that might make 502 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: people very angry and get banned, Yes, it is going 503 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: on sale August twenty ninth. 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