1 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Anthony Thomas hasn't seen his daughter Elizabeth for a week 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: at Lee says she could be anywhere. Confesstigators say that 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: she is with Tad Cummins. Tb I said that Cummins 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: was a teacher. A student reported seeing Cummins kissing Elizabeth 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: in his classroom in late January. She's fifteen, he's fifty. 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He stold my 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: daughter from me. We really need the public to realize 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: that this young girl is in danger. I had no 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: idea and my husband was involved with anything that has 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: led to Olivia. Investigators are now going on the theory 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: that Cummins has taken Elizabeth either to an area outside 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: the public or outside the Southeast. They're missing. They could 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 1: be anywhere. If you see that, don't approach them. Commins. 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Maybe on the plot thickens. We are are learning more 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: and more about the pervy teacher Tad Cummins who kidnaps 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: his student, a gorgeous young girl, a young girl, Elizabeth Thomas. 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Now we're learning so much more about his premeditation and 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: was there a cover up that allowed him to stay 19 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: in the classroom instead of getting booted from his job. 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: As he should have been back on January three, when 21 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: it was reported he was smooching the student in the classroom. 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: And as of right now, Elizabeth Thomas, the little girl, 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: is still missing and believed to be with her teacher, 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Tad Cummings, who is armed with at least two handguns. 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: This is crime stories. I Nancy Grace, I want to 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. As the net is 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: cast further hours ticked by and no sign of Elizabeth Thomas, 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: many fear, including me, this could turn out to be 29 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: a Romeo Julie Yet scenario where both of them end 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: up dead in the end rather than being caught. Another 31 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: fact that has come out in the last hours is 32 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: that we learn, according to her own family, Elizabeth Thomas 33 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: told her siblings, if I'm not home by six o'clock tonight, 34 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: called police. That really casts a nefarious shadow on all 35 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: of this. It's been portrayed that she wanted to go willingly, 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: but to be telling her siblings if I'm not home 37 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: by six o'clock tonight, called police. That's a new wrinkle. 38 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: But first, I want to talk about hair dye. According 39 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: to some news outlets, and you can see it for 40 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: Pete's sake. What this guy has in his Walmart shopping 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: cart is Ladies hair dye Claire all nice and easy brunette. 42 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: And we know that Elizabeth is blonde. It's really hard 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: for me to believe what the t v I is 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: saying on this that it has nothing to do with 45 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: a kidnap. That's just really hard for me to believe. Alan. 46 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: In fact, I have a goatee and I die mine 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: with Claire. All do I need to know? That? Is 48 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: that something I need to know? I'm an old man 49 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: and I've got to keep my youthful beauty up. What 50 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: we do see at Walmart in this Yes, beauty has 51 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: a price, Okay, it does. Good looks don't come free, dear. Okay, 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: so tell me about you know those are. That's why 53 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: they call them beauty secrets. Allan beauty secrets. You're not 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: supposed to blab him on a podcast. Okay, So you 55 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: keep your nice and easy to yourself. Let's get back 56 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: to Tad Cummins. Okay, so he's buying, actually buying hair dye. Now. 57 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: The Tennessee Bureau Investor of Investigation has tweeted about this, 58 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: confirming that yes, he did purchase hair dyet Walmart just 59 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: before the kidnapping. But quote, we have determined the purchase 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: of hair dye by Tad Cummins was not part of 61 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: his intended plan for Elizabeth Thomas. Maybe he's not dying 62 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: his his goatee. If I were him, I would just 63 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: shave it. It's kind of scraggly anyway. Well, I was 64 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: thinking it was about her for her to die her here. 65 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: But you know what, I've already stated that I think 66 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: they've altered their looks. He may have shaved his beard. 67 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: She may have cut her here and died it red 68 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: for all I know, or used as clear all nice 69 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: and easy. You know, in criminal law, there is no coincidence. 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: And I find it very coincidental that he goes and 71 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: by his ladies here and die and then next thing 72 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, he has kidnapped Elizabeth Thomas. Another thing that 73 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: has happened is that we believe there may have been 74 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: a cover up within the school system, because Alan has 75 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: uncovered that Tad cummins wife is an executive assistant with 76 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: the school board. And here you've got a teacher smooching 77 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: on a little girl in class, and they don't kick 78 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: his rear end out on the sidewalk for Pete's sake, 79 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: No they don't. Timeline is really suspicious and Elizabeth Thomas's 80 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: dad is very upset about it. But we find out 81 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: that Jill Cummins, according to her own Twitter account, is 82 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: Marie County School's administrative assistant to the Department of Instruction. 83 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: In other words, the person who supervised and would have 84 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: fired her husband and eventually did, but like six weeks later, 85 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: she is his assistant after he kidnapped the girl. It 86 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: was only a day after the kidnapping that this teacher 87 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: was even fired. Now, he had been suspended a month 88 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: earlier from the classroom, but he hadn't been fired. Wait 89 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: a minute, suspended from the classroom. I thought he was 90 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: still teaching, but she wasn't in his class anymore. He 91 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: was suspended. He was suspended on February the sixth, but 92 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: that was only after the lawyer for the dad, Anthony Thomas, 93 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: sent a scathing letter threatening a lawsuit against the school 94 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: system if they didn't get some action. And it was 95 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: only after that letter was sent to the school board 96 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: that he was actually suspended and taken out of the classroom. 97 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: Thank you today to our awesome sponsor the upcoming Crime 98 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: con It's a national convention for crime sleuth amateur and professional. 99 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: It will be held June nine, Friday to Junie leven Sunday, 100 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen in Indianapolis at the j W. Marriott. 101 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: You can go on Crime Online and find out about it. 102 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to be there, The Duke, Alan Duke and 103 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: I will be there podcasting live. I really hope to 104 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: see you there, all sorts of criminal experts speaking and 105 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: shedding a light on the world of crime. I am 106 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: really looking forward to. My only question, am I bringing 107 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: the Twins crime con Thank you for being with us 108 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: today and making this podcast possible. Have you seen the 109 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: picture that has emerged of her in an office with 110 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: this purv Well, at least he wasn't. She wasn't sitting 111 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: in his lap. I mean she was on the other 112 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: side of the desk. It doesn't look anything anything strange. 113 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: There's a student, they're sitting on the other side of 114 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: the desk talking to the teacher. What's unusual about that 115 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: other than the fact that he kidnapped her a couple 116 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: of days later and it's probably out in some cheap 117 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: motel having sex with her other than that. Nothing. But 118 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, back to the cover up, the alleged cover up. 119 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: Here you've got Tad Cummin's wife working as the executive 120 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: assistant to a member of the school board. The head 121 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: of the school board, I think, Department of Instruction, Thank you, 122 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: Department of Instruction, the number two person in the school system. 123 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: What another co inkie dink that he doesn't get suspended 124 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: or fired the minute it comes out that there's a 125 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: witness placing them smooching in the in the classroom. And 126 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't end there because according to the father and 127 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: his lawyer, there's the smooching incident that is witnessed and 128 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: reported immediately by the student. They deny it. The teacher, 129 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Tad comings in the student, Elizabeth Thomas, deny it. I 130 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: think they take the girl out of his classroom. But 131 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: then when the father finds out about it, when cops 132 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: show up to investigate and ask him about it, you know, 133 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: weeks later, he looks at her cell phone and the 134 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: teacher is still communicating with her, and he is still 135 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,679 Speaker 1: teaching at that time, and the dad goes ballistic because 136 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: this teacher is not doing what he's supposed to be doing. 137 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: He's still texting her and emailing her in a seductive manner, 138 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: and that is not okay. But his wife is wormed 139 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: in in the school board. Now do we know there 140 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: was a cover up? No, we don't, but it's highly coincidentally, 141 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: the father said, what does the father say? Just today, 142 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: the father is speaking out. He has released a series 143 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: of nine tweets that he has posted today, really complaining 144 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: about this because yesterday what happened was well saying what 145 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: what does he say? He's complaining that the Maury County 146 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: School System is lying about the timeline. He says that 147 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: they released a story saying that they sent him files 148 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: and they're finding per his request by his attorney, he 149 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: says that's not true. They sent me zero. The school 150 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: says they sent me information. To be clear, I've never 151 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: received anything from Elizabeth School regarding this incident. To date, 152 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: no employee from Elizabeth School has communicated with me in 153 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: any way. The school's not even communicated with me to 154 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: let me know there was an allegation of inappropriate contact 155 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: between her and a teacher. Once I hired the attorney, 156 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: the Mari County School Central Office has sent my attorney 157 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: what appears to be the person personnel file for Tad 158 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: Cummins the school Central. Wait wait, wait, wait, I gotta 159 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: cut through all the legal jargon here. You're not even 160 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: a lawyer for Pete' psych and you sound like when 161 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: it's scary. I'm reading his tweets. These are his tweets, 162 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: all right now that he says, well, I gotta get 163 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: to something more important than the tweets. Okay, listen, listen, 164 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: what what? What? Hold it? But you're making me hit 165 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: the hard stuff. I am currently having an Irish breakfast 166 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: tea double bag. Okay, alright, double bag. That's a lot 167 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: for me. Now hold on, there's something more. Allegedly, in 168 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: the days before this little girl was kidnapped, Commins searched 169 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: online to see if police could track his car, his 170 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: Niecean Rogue. I think it was a two thousand and fifteen, 171 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: So the t b I says they've discovered, of course, 172 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: his troubling pattern of behavior. Prior to his disappearance. He 173 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: searched online to find out if police could track his 174 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: Niecean Rogue, and he also searched the topic of teen marriage. 175 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: Oh okay, let's talk about how you track a Nissan 176 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Rowe or any late model car. Go ahead, hit me. 177 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: Modern cars and this is are equipped with all kinds 178 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: of computer devices that communicate back to the car companies 179 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: that have all kinds of data that is stored in 180 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: computer servers that the car company's own. It's part of 181 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: the maintenance program in everything. These are smart cars. Just 182 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: like your phone can be tracked, many of the modern 183 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: cars can be tracked. And in fact, the tv I 184 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: was asked the other day, are you tracking his phone 185 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: or his car? And they said, we're not going to 186 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: tell you, but we're doing everything that is possible. So 187 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: if you're driving a car, it's very possible that some 188 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: computers someplace is pinging your car and knows where you are. Now, 189 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: here's the deal on the team marriage. In the US, 190 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: all but one state requires a couple b eighteen in 191 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: order to marry without parental permission. Nebraska sets the age 192 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: at nineteen. Now here's the catch. Some states will waive 193 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: the requirement if there is a pregnancy, And if there 194 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: is a pregnancy, the couple might still have to go 195 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: to have court approval. But everybody, unless you're living in 196 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: a cave under a rock, knows that Tad Cummins has 197 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: made off with this little girl. So if he tries 198 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: to get court approval, that ain't happening. All right, that's 199 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: a technical legal term, alan, so you can add that 200 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: to your legal repertoire. But Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, 201 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma allow pregnant teens or teens who've already had a 202 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: child to get married without per mental consent. In Florida, Kentucky, 203 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma, they have to have authorization from a court. 204 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: Maryland requires the minor b at least sixteen. Now catch 205 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: this repeat. Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, and Oklahoma allow 206 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: pregnant teens or teens who have already had a child 207 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: to get married without parental consent. So if they go 208 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: to get married and say that she's pregnant or if 209 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: she is pregnant, they can get married. What about that, Well, 210 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: there is the complication that he's already married. But who 211 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: forgot about that? They would That wouldn't really stop them, 212 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: That wouldn't stop him. They could still get a marriage 213 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: license because another state of a public court judge or whoever, 214 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: would not know. Yeah, there's that little complication of the 215 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: wife who just made a public appeal for them to 216 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: come home. You know, I noticed that one of her 217 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: friends also has been begging for her to come come 218 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: back to get away. And this friend, Thomas's best friend, 219 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: Ashley Riggins, pleads publicly for Elizabeth to get quote get 220 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: away from Cummings if possible. Quote. I know you may 221 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: love him and think he's perfect, but he's not. I 222 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: love you, and there's so many people here who need 223 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: you and want you back. I mean, you know, she's 224 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: just a little girl. She is just a little girl. 225 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: I want to go back to tracking the Nissan that's 226 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: in practically every newer car, and his is a two 227 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. Right, Yes, these are smart cars. They've got computers. 228 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: Many many cars now have GPS of course built into them, 229 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: and they also have WiFi and all of that, and 230 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: they're connected. Cummins claims that he is a black belt 231 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: in karate. Investigators say he's armed with at least two handguns. 232 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: The TB I now admitting that despite more than six 233 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: hundred leads, they have no idea where these two are. 234 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what we think. Let's project. Let's 235 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: hypothesize going sixty miles an hour and stopping overnight. I 236 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: bet they're I bet they're driving at night and sleeping 237 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: during the day. I bet you anything to go under 238 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: the radar. Well, by now, they could be anywhere they 239 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: could be and and living off cash. But what's your 240 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: best bit. I'm thinking he went far far away, you know. 241 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: Early I was thinking maybe the Gulf coast of Florida, 242 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, because of spring break. But this man, apparently, 243 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: from what we're now seeing, had a long term plan. 244 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean he was talking, he was planning marriage, and 245 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: he was gathering up cash. I'm thinking a long, long 246 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: way three days. He could be in the mountains of 247 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: northwest Washington state or something like. You know what I'm 248 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: thinking he might do. I'm thinking he may go out 249 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: to the Utah area, where an older man married or 250 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: seemingly married to a young girl would not be questioned. Well, 251 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: there are a lot of places to hide in this big, 252 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: beautiful country. There really are. But I think at this 253 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: juncture they would have to basically assume new identities, don't 254 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: you think, Oh, absolutely absolutely, and new looks new identities 255 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: and she has to go along with it. But we 256 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: all know from many cases that you have closely covered, 257 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: and so have I that these young ladies can disappear 258 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: with these men for many years. For anyone that has 259 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: information on the whereabouts of Elizabeth Thomas, please call the 260 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: t b I immediately at eight hundred eight two four 261 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: three four six three repeat eight hundred eight two four 262 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: three four six three. Also, Nancy, people can call and 263 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: leave us a voicemail tip at nine oh nine four 264 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: nine Crime. That's nine oh nine four nine two seven 265 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: four six three. 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Indianapolis gonna discount right because I 285 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: know you. How do you get a Oh, yes, that's right. 286 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: You get a discount if you register with Code and 287 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: Nancy twenty percent off. Okay, I've got a re register 288 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: and use my own discount. Crime Con June be there, 289 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Crime Con. Thank you for sponsoring us today. I got 290 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: discounts a lot dropping your name. I was at Starbucks 291 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: the other day and I just used your name and 292 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: and they only charged me six dollars for my latte. 293 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I would be telling that I go 294 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: to Starbucks. Have you tried the McDonald's coffee, Alan, pretously, 295 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: it is so good. I always get a large regular 296 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: with two two creams in it. That's my guilty vice, 297 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: the two creams. As a search for Elizabeth Thomas goes on, 298 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: we are watching it and investigating it ourselves. Prayers out 299 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: for Elizabeth now and for her family and her safe return. 300 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: As we sign off today, crime online is confirming some 301 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: very sad knees. We focused Alan and I for some 302 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: time on a missing woman, Maricella, and we have learned 303 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: that Maricella Garcia, the young woman we were looking for, 304 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: she was last seeing by her sister leaving a local 305 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: good Will store. She had been looking for an outfit 306 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: for a decades party, and she has just been found dead. 307 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Tanya Kitchens, the private detective who's helped the Garcia family 308 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: since the twenty six year old Tarzana woman disappeared in January, 309 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: tells me today that a body found in the Santa 310 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: Clarita area north of Los Angeles two weeks ago has 311 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: been identified as being Maricella Garcia. Maricella was found about 312 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: twenty five miles north of the good Will store in Recita, California, 313 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: where she disappeared. Unfortunately, many of the clues that we 314 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: uncovered in our last podcast about this case in February, 315 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: apparently we're right on point. Our prayers and thoughts with 316 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: Marcella's family tonight. This is not the ending that we 317 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: wanted for this story, but it's the ending that we have, 318 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: and it makes me want even more to find missing 319 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: people before it's too late. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,