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Now here's a highlight from Coast 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: to Coast AM on iHeart Radio, Greg, what would you 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: say you specialize in what specific topic in the field 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: of the paranormal and unusual? It's probably most definitely UFOs. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Most of the people in my show we're talking about 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: UFO stuff because it's the most fascinated conject to me. 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: I always argue with Steve Bassett, of course, who's with 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: extra politics That government is not going to come out 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: and disclose. We're gonna get it from whistleblowers or people 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: like Tom DeLong, who you know, have an organization now 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: up and running. That's how we're going to find out 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: about it, but we're not going to get it from government. 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: There's not going to be a government news conference and 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: the president is going to come out and say, folks, 24 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: this has been going on since the beginning of time. 25 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: It's not going to happen that way. No, I don't think. 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so either, Um, mainly because and nothing 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: has really changed my opinion. I don't think that the 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: powers that be really know what they're dealing with. And 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do come out and say, oh, well, 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: there's this thing going on, but we don't know what 31 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: it is and we don't know how to control it. 32 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: You can't really say that. And they're abducting you or 33 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: taking humans and we can't stop them, yeah, or something 34 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, it's it's not something that's going 35 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: to happen. I think that, UM what I push for 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: and UM, even after the the Tom DeLong business over 37 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: the past few months, there's positive and negative negatives there 38 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: that we can talk about. But UM, what I push 39 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: for is, UM, you don't need Big Brother to tell 40 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: you what's going on. There's plenty of research, mind power 41 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: and researchers, authors, everybody that have been looking at this 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: for a long time. They probably have just as much 43 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: or more and probably better information than you get from 44 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: the government. In fact, people in the government that are 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: interested in this are probably reading their research in their 46 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: books all the time. Absolutely, and I'm sure they're listening 47 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: to you right now, by the way, on the So, 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: what would you say categorically that you believe in right 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: now with your photes. I think that there is a 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: phenomenon that has been going on ever since there's been humans. 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: I think that some of it is unexplained. That's the 52 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: fascinating part that we all want to know about. And um, 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: more importantly, and that I get this from people, they 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: say you're a skeptic, a debunker, I was like, no, 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm not. I really do think there's a phenomenon, and 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: more importantly, I think there's some kind of intelligence behind it. 57 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what form that intelligence takes. I don't 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to get myself into, you know, back 59 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: myself into corners saying it's this thing or that thing, 60 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: because um, all you see in the UFO communities people saying, 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: you know what they think it is, and it's it's 62 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: it's all of these things and none of them at 63 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: the same time. So I'm interested in just about all 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: aspects of it. Well, and I've always said greg gets 65 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: healthy to be a skeptic. Keep an open mind, look 66 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: for the truth, look for the answers. You don't necessarily 67 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: have to go into it as a believer. But once 68 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: you get the results and the data and the evidence, 69 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: then make a good, good decision. Yeah, and I don't 70 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: know if we'll ever get the results of the data, 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: the evidence. We have a whole bunch of that, but 72 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of conclusions we can make 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: out of it. So I leave my mind open to 74 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: the possibilities. That's basically what I think what a real 75 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: skeptic is. You do not make a decision, and like 76 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: you just said, until you have enough information. And more importantly, 77 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: if you don't have enough information, you don't have to 78 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: make a decision exactly. Keep looking into it, keep researching, 79 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: keep finding things out, keep talking to people. A couple 80 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: pilots around Arizona just reported a few days ago some 81 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: very strange object to which they said was definitely not 82 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: a plane. I mean, these things are popping up all 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: over the place, aren't they. Yeah, Yeah, it's They've been 84 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: popping up all over the place for a long time. 85 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: They seem to go in waves, which I'm sure the 86 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: listeners and you notice, um, and also the media interested 87 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: in it seems to go in waves as well. Our 88 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: guest Greg Bishop, who is a paranormal expert, has his 89 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: own podcast. We'll tell you about that a little bit 90 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: later on in the program. How many books do you 91 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: have about now? Mmm? I think four, four or five 92 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: something like that. What's the most recent one? Most recent 93 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 1: call is called It Defies Language. It's basically a bunch 94 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: of essays I did on that ufomistic site along with 95 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: Nick Redfern. He was the other writer on the site. Um, 96 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: good guy. Yeah, Nick and I have been friends for 97 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: quite a long time. He actually got me involved with 98 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: the site. He just asked me if i'd be interested. 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: I jumped at the chance. And your first book was 100 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Wake Up Down There right. Yeah. That was a collection 101 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: of stuff from my magazine Excluded Middle that I founded 102 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: with two friends of Larson and Peter Stencil in way 103 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: back then. It went for ten years, and uh, it 104 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: was kind of like putting myself through another another college 105 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: degree or something, just doing that magazine meeting people and 106 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: talking to them and writing about it, and based on 107 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: the research you've done, Greg, what could you conclude about 108 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: UFOs at this point? I don't know if I can 109 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: make any kind of conclusion about them, except, like I 110 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: said before, there is something strange seen. We're not sure 111 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: what it is, and some of it seems to be intelligence, 112 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: has an intelligence behind it, but I'm not sure what 113 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: the nature of that intelligence is. Dr David Jacobs believes 114 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: that there's something very nefarious, something not good happening with UFOs. 115 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: What do you think. I think that's part of the story, 116 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: but not all of it. And if you get I 117 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: think some researchers they get completely into their research and 118 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: they forget that there's other people that either don't agree 119 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: with them or um uh are if they have have 120 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: completely different research and disagrees with with them, they're putting 121 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: on it. Like many many researchers have a completely positive 122 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: view of the abduction scenario. So who's right? I'm not sure. 123 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the strange things that 124 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: you've covered or investigated. What would you say is the 125 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: wildest thing you've come across? Oh that you can say 126 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: on the radio? Um come across. Let's see, I'll tell 127 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: you a very strange story. In the mid ninety nineties, 128 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: somebody approached me saying he was from the Navy, from 129 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: Naval intelligence, and started handing me documents, showing me pictures 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: that he said we're taking at area, telling me that 131 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: people could listen into my phone conversations, that they could 132 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: read what was on my computer screen from the outside 133 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: of my building, and things like this started happening while 134 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: I was talking to the guy. Suddenly I started getting 135 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: strange phone calls at all days, all hours of the 136 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: day and night. Um. And this was on my landline, 137 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: and I did you know, I had an answering machine 138 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: on it, but with the answer machine picked it up, 139 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: it would just be like silence, and if the answering 140 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: machine didn't pick it up, it would ring like thirty times. 141 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: We would just keep ringing until I picked it up 142 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: and there would be silence again on the other end, 143 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: or like some strange noises. And I hung up very 144 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: quickly because I thought, oh my god, it's you know, 145 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: mind control noises trying to do something to me. Um. 146 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: My mail was opened, and this wasn't something I was imagining. 147 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: It was only from two people, a cattle mutilation researcher 148 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: and an abduction researcher Carl Carla Turner actually opened in 149 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: your mailbox. No, I had a po box. That's the 150 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: other weird. Yeah, And it was only from those two people. 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: Either the stuff was lost or it was mangled, or 152 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: it was opened. And the fact that you could open 153 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: people's mail without them knowing made me think, well, somebody 154 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: wants me to know that there watching me. And um. 155 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: That went on for about a year until I strangely 156 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: enough made a conscious decision not to be paranoid anymore 157 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: and it all stopped. So I don't know if it's 158 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: a coincidence that had stopped or I just made the 159 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: decision to stop being paraniled. Well, and as you know, 160 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: we don't believe in coincidence, you see here greggs, Yes, exactly. 161 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: So I don't know what happened during that period, but 162 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: that was probably the strangest thing that happened to me 163 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: during during all this stuff to me personally. The government 164 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: has admitted basically that it's spent twenty two million dollars 165 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: to investigate UFOs over about a ten year period. And 166 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: what do you think of that? I think it's a 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: menusual amount. It's as far as government projects go. I 168 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: think they're only admitting to a little bit of what 169 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: they did and what they're interested in, because they they 170 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: know these things are flying around. They know these things 171 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: are interested in military um basis and things like that, 172 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: and they would like to know what they are. And 173 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't think they know yet. You don't think they 174 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: have the crashed saucer from Roswell and they've done some 175 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: reverse engineering on something like that. I don't know. I 176 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: think it's a possibility, but I, you know, unless I 177 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: can be shown something unequivocally and say look, this is 178 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: what or somebody that is completely trustworthy or a group 179 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: of people actually it says, look, we looked at it, 180 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: this is what it is, this is what appears to 181 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: be and um, based on our past record of what 182 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: we've told you in the research we've done, we think 183 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: that you will believe us when we say that this 184 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: is you know, actually what it is. UM. And that 185 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. So I don't make a decision. I 186 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: kind of leave myself open to, uh, anything that comes up. 187 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: I don't disbelieve it, and I don't believe it but 188 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm interested. What's one of your favorite UFO cases. Oh, 189 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: geez Um, the Pascagoula case is probably my favorite, just 190 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: because tell everybody what that is. Mine is the Lonnie 191 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: Zamora police officer case in Skora, New Mexico. I love 192 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: that case. I'll tell that in a second, but go ahead. 193 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: The Pasca Goola I think that happened, and I think 194 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: it was seventies seven, was it. A couple of guys 195 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: were out there, right, They're out fishing in the middle 196 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: at night. Um, they heard a buzzing sound and this. 197 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: They looked around and there was this thing that shaped 198 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: like an egg with a blue glow around it. I 199 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: think these things came out of it grabbed them. They 200 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: looked like some kind of strange robots, took them in. 201 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: They gave him the you know, the electric eye went 202 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: over them or something, some kind of camera. Um dumped 203 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: them back outside and Uh. The weird part about this kid, 204 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: that's not the weird part. The weird and strange part 205 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: is that one there was a secret recording made by 206 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: the sheriff. Uh when they went in. They didn't know 207 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: who to talk to in the middle of the night, 208 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: so they went to the sheriff's sheriff's office. The sheriff said, Oh, 209 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: these guys are drunk, they're crazy. I don't know what's 210 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: going on here. He put him in a room alone, 211 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: but didn't let them know there was a recorder going, 212 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: and the recorder just picked up them up, picked up 213 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: their conversation, talking about how freaked out they were. What 214 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: the hell are they going to do? I don't know 215 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. You know, do you believe in in God? 216 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: What is you know? How does this relate? Just the 217 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: normal things you would think when somebody would have that 218 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: weird kind of an experience. And the thing about one 219 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: of the witnesses, Charles Hickson, most people don't know this. Um. 220 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: Two or three times later he had more sightings. One 221 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: with his entire family. They saw this large thing hovering 222 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: over the highway. UM. Scared, scared them all to death. UM. 223 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: But it continued two or three or four more times 224 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: throughout his life. He had either mental or actual physical 225 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: or at least he saw something saw other objects in 226 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: the air. So that's a very fascinating case to me. 227 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast a m every weeknight 228 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: at one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to 229 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: coast am dot com for more