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Speaker 1: Welcome In Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we say this a lot.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of different news stories that are

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Speaker 1: breaking out there as the chaos continues to build as

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Speaker 1: we move towards election day on November fifth. We are

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Speaker 1: what six weeks, six months and a week away from

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Speaker 1: official election day on November fifth, and Trump is in

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Speaker 1: court in New York City. He had a incredible reception

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Speaker 1: from construction workers early this morning in New York City

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Speaker 1: before he went into court. We will discuss that, including

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Speaker 1: Trump saying that he thinks he can actually win New

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Speaker 1: York and that he's going to have a big rally

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Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden. I will say, the reception that

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Speaker 1: he got from construction crew workers and the reception that

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Speaker 1: he got in Harlem, it's pretty incredible how well he's

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Speaker 1: being received in New York City. We will discuss that,

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Speaker 1: but the biggest story, By the way, there's several other

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Speaker 1: things that I'm fired up about this. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that anybody else cares. There's an all time low for

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Speaker 1: babies being born in the United States.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Buck, if you pay attention to this, I know you

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Speaker 1: would carry or married, and we're working.

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Speaker 3: We're working on number one. And you know, one thing

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Speaker 3: we talk about is that we wish that we had

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Speaker 3: met each other sooner. People used to ask me, like,

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Speaker 3: why didn't I get married till I was forty? I

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Speaker 3: was just waiting to meet the right person. I met

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Speaker 3: the right person. You know, you know, and you know,

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Speaker 3: and you're good to go. But we both agree. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think it would have been really nice to have

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Speaker 3: met younger and started a family sooner. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think you getting three kids doing and your in late twenties,

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Speaker 3: early thirties. I was twenty eight when my first was born,

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Speaker 3: and people, so I say all that just because I understand.

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Speaker 3: I don't want this to ever be a do as

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Speaker 3: I say, not as I do thing. But I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of you listening who have families. Some of

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Speaker 3: you are not just parents but grandparents. You arelready know this, Clay.

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Speaker 3: We need a whole societal rethink about the way it goes.

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Speaker 3: And I know we've got the big Supreme Court argument

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Speaker 3: all morning and we're gonna spend a lot of time

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Speaker 3: on that, but just.

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Speaker 2: I think this is critically important.

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk is a very a outspoken voice on this

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Speaker 3: as well. Now he has like nine kids with a

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Speaker 3: few different women. I'm not I'm not, you know, give

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Speaker 3: him a pass. We should have, but we should have

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Speaker 3: a fun conversation about this. I'm gonna give him a

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Speaker 3: pass because he's a genius, and I think geniuses should

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Speaker 3: have as many kids as possible because their kids could

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Speaker 3: save the world.

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Speaker 1: So I'm giving him a pass. In general, I think

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Speaker 1: people should be married to one person.

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Speaker 2: I want. I think it's good that we say that.

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Speaker 3: I think we're both giving Elon a pass for a

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Speaker 3: number of reasons on this, and one is I think

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Speaker 3: he's doing more to keep freedom and Western civilization alive

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Speaker 3: than you know it would be. I mean, you could

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Speaker 3: argue him and Trump. I mean, you know that you

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Speaker 3: start to look at who's at the top of that list. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: you should we should be having more kids. There needs

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Speaker 3: to be a rethink of the paradigm that has been

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Speaker 3: out that I grew up with. I'll just tell especially

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Speaker 3: in cities, it's different. Obviously, you have three kids, you

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Speaker 3: got married younger, Clay, if you grow up in New York,

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Speaker 3: in LA in Chicago and any number of these cities,

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Speaker 3: or you move to them when you're a young adult.

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Speaker 3: It's get as far as you can into your career

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Speaker 3: and don't even think about getting married until you're thirty

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Speaker 3: five or forty. I'm yeah, very common, and the numbers

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Speaker 3: show this.

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Speaker 2: It's not the way to do it.

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Speaker 3: We should have families younger, and that would be one

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Speaker 3: thing that I would do differently if I could.

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Speaker 2: But I have to meet Carrie ten years ago. Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 2: well the headline.

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Speaker 1: I give credit to the Wall Street Journal for actually

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Speaker 1: covering this, and we will circle back and have a discussion.

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Speaker 1: But the total fertility rate in the United States fell

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Speaker 1: to one point six two berths per women in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. That's a two percent decline. That is the

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Speaker 1: lowest fertility rate on record since the United States began

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Speaker 1: tracking this in the nineteen thirties. Children are ultimately a

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Speaker 1: vote on a positive belief for the future. That is

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Speaker 1: what kids represent, babies in particular represent and so the

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Speaker 1: fact that fertility is at a one hundred year low,

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Speaker 1: we've never had it this low since the United States

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Speaker 1: But will I think this is a huge topic.

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Speaker 3: I think it creates a lot of also societal dysfunctions.

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Speaker 3: I think that people and looks. Some people can't be parents,

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Speaker 3: some people choose not to be parents, you know, and

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Speaker 3: there's a whole range of and as we're all fine,

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Speaker 3: people get to choose.

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Speaker 2: Their life path.

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Speaker 3: But as a society we should be fruitful and multiplied.

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Speaker 3: Like as a society, we should be having more children.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't get talked about enough. I think it

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Speaker 3: also goes into you know, we we're very quick to

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Speaker 3: point out China's one child policy is horrific and inhumane,

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Speaker 3: and it absolutely is. I mean you add up that,

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Speaker 3: I think something like sixty million babies have been aborted

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Speaker 3: since since Roe v.

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Speaker 3: We actually needed more people, We actually need I mean,

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Speaker 3: put aside the morality of the lives, and I mean

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Speaker 3: that's obviously critical, but I'm just saying demographically and as

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Speaker 3: a society America, it needs more Americans. This is a

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Speaker 3: real thing, yes, And if you have the luxury to

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Speaker 3: be able to take care of kids, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: wish I had more, but I'm happy to have three,

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Speaker 3: but I wish I had more. But all time low

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go into the Supreme Court case on

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Speaker 1: presidential immunity. I think is it still ongoing? Are they

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Speaker 1: still asking questions right now? I think it's close. Basically,

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Speaker 1: it's been going on for the last couple of hours,

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Speaker 1: and Buck I thought it went well for Trump, better

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Speaker 1: than I expected. My now prediction for what's going to

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Speaker 1: a step back and explain exactly what's going on. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is considering kind of a two front question. One,

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Speaker 1: can a president be prosecuted for actions that took place

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Speaker 1: he can, what is the extension of presidential powers into

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Speaker 1: other words, let me give you an example that I

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Speaker 1: someone else, the International Court of Human Rights law cannot

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Speaker 1: charge the President of the United States with murder and

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Speaker 1: scope of his powers. Similarly, if let's say the Waco raid,

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Speaker 1: The president, I don't believe could be prosecuted for murder

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Speaker 1: based on the way that that act took place, right,

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Speaker 1: I think in general that would be an example. I

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Speaker 1: But you would agree, I think in general with that,

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Speaker 1: that's what the scope of powers.

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Speaker 3: If we look at if we kind of build up

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Speaker 3: from the foundation of what both sides agree on, and

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Speaker 3: then you can narrow it down to where the dispute is,

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Speaker 3: the special Council. He's basically a ringer for the argument. Right, So,

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Speaker 3: so Sour and Dreaming they made the argument. So Sour's

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Speaker 3: But he the the thing they agree on, Clay right,

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Speaker 3: is that there are private acts for which a president

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Speaker 3: absolutely is criminally liable and has no immunity. So to

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Speaker 3: what we had discussed, if if you bludge in your

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Speaker 3: she's on the ground, it's you don't get to say, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm the president, like, no, you are criminally liable, and

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Speaker 3: there's no there's no question about that. So then it's okay,

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Speaker 3: there are official acts. And then I said this, this

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Speaker 3: is a little bit like with police have qualified immunity, right,

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Speaker 3: they have a specific immunity while they're acting as police

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Speaker 3: they're acting in good faith. You can't just like sue

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Speaker 3: can't say I'm suing this prosecutor because they're prosecuting me, right,

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Speaker 3: that's not because I disagree with their judgment. So we

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Speaker 3: but you're doing it for illicit purpose, a wrongful purpose.

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Speaker 1: And no reasons, as they would say on The Bachelor,

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Speaker 2: You're here for the wrong reasons. That's right.

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Speaker 3: You know you are not getting a rose for this one. Yes,

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Speaker 3: You know, you can have prosecutors throwing presidents into the

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Speaker 3: So then we get into the narrowed position, Clay, you know,

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Speaker 3: am I missing anything here?

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Speaker 1: No, I think this is one of the most fascinating, difficult,

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Speaker 1: and important Supreme Court cases maybe on presidential powers, that

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Speaker 2: It may be the most important and.

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Speaker 3: Originally no Supreme Court president on this specific issue. They

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Speaker 2: With this decision.

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Speaker 1: And really, what I think they're going to say, Buck,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out where the line is between permissible

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Speaker 1: gave two examples to your example. If the president picks

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Speaker 3: Couple of ones that I could guess might be funding

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Speaker 3: this NGO, but we're never gonna know because they don't

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Speaker 3: want us to know. They want to pretend that this

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Speaker 3: is just college kids, you know, standing up for truth

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Speaker 3: and justice. And to the point about they're playing a

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Speaker 3: lot of games with euphemism and a lot of games

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Speaker 3: with the language choices that they use here. As I've said,

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Speaker 3: there was some of them are talking about Zionists. It's like, well,

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Speaker 3: you're not just talking about Zionist. Anybody who lives in

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Speaker 3: Israel I guess they think is a Zionist. But there's

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Speaker 3: a photo up right now, it's an AP photo worth

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Speaker 3: one of these protesters in Emery with a victory to

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Speaker 3: the Palestinian resistance sign. And I would just say that

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Speaker 3: for anyone who tries to claim they're not pro Hamas,

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Speaker 3: Hamas is the Palestinian resistance in Gaza. There's no other

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Speaker 3: form of Palestinian resistance other than the terrorists entity Hamas

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Speaker 3: in Gaza. No one else is resisting the Israeli military there.

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Speaker 2: So they are.

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Speaker 3: They are in fact pro Hamas and are rooting for Hamas,

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Speaker 3: many of them, whether they recognize it in those terms

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Speaker 3: or not, they are. They are the useful idiots of

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Speaker 3: a jihadis terror entity that would and does and is

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Speaker 3: open about how it seeks the destruction of the Israeli

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Speaker 3: state and the murder of all Israeli men, women and

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Speaker 3: children if they could achieve it. And they think these

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Speaker 3: are people, that's who they want to go and cry

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Speaker 3: literally cry about on the quadrangle. That's who they're shrieking

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Speaker 3: and screaming about. These are their great heroes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think many of these universities we talked about this

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier in the week, are hoping that

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Speaker 1: with the end of the semester, the spring semester and graduation,

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Speaker 1: maybe this will die down. And it is funny, as

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Speaker 1: you pointed out, that they did waited until weather's good

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Speaker 1: enough in many parts of the country to actually be

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Speaker 1: able to camp. They care desperately about this issue, but

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Speaker 1: not desperately enough to actually get cold.

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Speaker 2: So now the weather's good, how.

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Speaker 1: Does it end? And does this linger? I think this

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent is going to be a major issue

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Speaker 1: for Joe Biden in Chicago in the Democrat convention in August.

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Speaker 1: I think these crazy people are going to show up.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to protest. I think that they

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Speaker 1: are going to make it almost impossible not to be

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Speaker 1: covering the external noise that is surrounding Democrats in August.

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Speaker 1: And will they be back on campus because the weather's

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Speaker 1: still good in August and September leading into the election

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four is really to gain a hand down.

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Speaker 3: They're going to finish their operation in Rafah and before

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Speaker 3: any of that happens and then and so then it

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Speaker 3: would just be they're protesting what has happened, and that

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Speaker 3: doesn't you know, had previously occurred. I don't see that

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Speaker 3: being enough for them. So I think the Democrats may

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Speaker 3: get a bit of a pass by the time.

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Speaker 1: So here's the other question on that. You could be right,

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Speaker 1: what happens if Iran or any other Middle State act,

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Speaker 1: a Middle East Act or whether it's Hamas, whether it's

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Speaker 1: the Hutis, whoever it is, decide that they want to

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Speaker 1: have an October terror attack against Israel. Now it could

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Speaker 1: happen in the United States, and that would certainly be

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Speaker 1: an awful October surprise here. But it feels to me

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Speaker 1: very much like the Biden administration and whether this becomes

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Speaker 1: an issue is in many ways out of their hands

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Speaker 1: because they could dictate to a large degree potentially what

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Speaker 1: the response.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be. And I think the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't want, you know, they don't want to go

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Speaker 3: up against Trump. They'd much rather have four more years

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Speaker 3: of Biden. Look at how he's trying to play both.

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Speaker 3: Trump wouldn't be sitting here like you know, Hamas Palestinians,

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Speaker 3: beautiful love the Resistance, like he would be slamming this

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Speaker 3: stuff if he were president, right, he wouldn't play the bait.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're Middle Eastern terror actors, you wait

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Speaker 1: and withhold your terror attacks till after the November election.

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Speaker 2: And then if if.

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Speaker 3: You were anyone, and I truly mean this, if you

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Speaker 3: are any actor on the world stage, terror group, opposition

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Speaker 3: state like China, Russia, anybody, you would rather have Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden for four more years than Donald Trump as president

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Speaker 3: because you can run circles around.

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Speaker 2: I think that's true. He's weak, he's feckless.

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Speaker 1: That would be rational terror leadership to say Hey, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to do anything that could help Trump in

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Speaker 1: some ways. If they're rational actors, that would be a

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Speaker 1: rat I think. I think on issues like that, they

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Speaker 1: are rational actors. And why haven't they Why aren't they

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Speaker 1: firing more and more missiles play that they could have

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Speaker 1: done something I think far more devastating even than what

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Speaker 1: they did with firing at Israel. Now there was an

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Speaker 1: impressive response. I'm talking about the Iranians down impressive response

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Speaker 1: to shoot down all those drones and rockets in the air.

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Speaker 1: But I mean the Iranians have cells, they have hesbalsls

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Speaker 1: all over the world. I mean they could conduct a

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Speaker 1: terror attack at any moment in time. The reason they

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Speaker 1: don't do this all the time is because they're constantly

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Speaker 1: calculating commy is thinking about and can I.

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Speaker 2: Just the Trump?

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Speaker 3: Remember the question Trump killing Sulimani was, in foreign policy terms,

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Speaker 3: for Iran, the ultimate brushback pitch because free and I

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Speaker 3: remember this. I remember in my years of the CIA

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Speaker 3: being in the conference room hearing about what's going on

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Speaker 3: in Iraq and always knowing that at the White House

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Speaker 3: there was this concern, oh, we can't do too much,

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Speaker 3: even though Iranian militias, Iranian backed militias Iraqis with Iranian

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Speaker 3: training and money and weapons are killing Americans. We can't

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Speaker 3: get too Oh, we can't kill too many of them,

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Speaker 3: but we can't go across the border.

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Speaker 2: We're scared of Iran.

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Speaker 3: Trump was like, you know what, if you're the guy

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Speaker 3: doing it, we're going to take you out. That was

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Speaker 3: a huge change. Sorry you have a question, but that

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Speaker 3: was a huge change when he killed Solimani. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: leave a tease here because I'm curious what your response

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Speaker 3: is on this. We just gave sixty billion more dollars

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine and now they're trying to desperately hold on

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Speaker 3: to the line and avoid collapse.

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Speaker 1: And there's now reports out there that Ukraine's issue is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily armament, it's just that they don't have enough

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Speaker 1: men men. Yeah, what happens in Ukraine between now an

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Speaker 1: election day? Because you got war in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: you think that'll be resolved in some way? What about Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: What if Russia breaks through the lines? How does that play?

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Speaker 1: And or is there basically an agreed stalemate there with

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Speaker 1: have a negotiated settlement and Russia's going to take whatever

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I am confident will happen with

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Speaker 3: A lot of legal action going on today, big Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court case heard going right to the heart of presidential immunity,

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Speaker 3: the j six case against Trump. Here is the headline

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Speaker 3: from the New York Times. Wanted to have your reaction

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Speaker 3: to it. After hearing oral arguments this morning, conservative majority

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Speaker 3: seems ready to limit election case against Trump. Julie, I

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Speaker 3: feel like I'm surprised that I'm going to have to

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Speaker 3: say this, but from the New York Times lips to

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Speaker 3: Trump's year, I mean, sorry to God's here's uh, what

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Speaker 3: do you think?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that they are probably right. And here's why.

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Speaker 5: Because the big debate centered around official acts as president

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Speaker 5: versus personal or even private acts, and there was a

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Speaker 5: lot of discussion back and forth as to what represents

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Speaker 5: an official act what doesn't, And of course that creates

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Speaker 5: a whole slippery slope which several of the justices, at

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Speaker 5: least Kavanagh or say Toledo had indicated serious concerns about

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Speaker 5: you know who then becomes the referee as to what's

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Speaker 5: official or a core function versus political, personal, private. And

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Speaker 5: so going back to the indictment, and I really need

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Speaker 5: to underscore this claim book. We're talking about four counts. Okay,

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Speaker 5: they talked a lot about murder. They talked about bribery,

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Speaker 5: about initiating a coup, killing people. That is not what

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Speaker 5: this indictment is about. It's really important for people to

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Speaker 5: be reminded. We're talking about four of the most vague

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Speaker 5: statutes on the books, two of which we talked about

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Speaker 5: last week in the Supreme Court addressed fifteen twelve C

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Speaker 5: two obstruction of an official proceeding extremely vague, and then

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Speaker 5: two very vague conspiracy statutes. So these are not clear

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Speaker 5: cut laws crimes, murder, bribery, drug trafficking, the things that

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Speaker 5: we would expect a president to face criminal prosecutions. So

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Speaker 5: in the indictment, there are certainly elements that are completely

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Speaker 5: within the president's purview, such as replacing and acting attorney

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Speaker 5: general with somebody else, which is what he considered replacing

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Rosen with Jeffrey Clark. There are other things that

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Speaker 5: fall under official acts. Things get a little murkier. Even

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Speaker 5: John Sower, who is representing Donald Trump, admitted that okay,

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Speaker 5: using private attorneys calling up political parties or officials to

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Speaker 5: conceive or encourage them to come up with alternative states

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Speaker 5: of electors that might fall under personal slash politicals So

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Speaker 5: I think that that's what the New York Times and

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Speaker 5: others are hinting at, is that the indictment itself could

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Speaker 5: have to be narrowed down determining whether it's Jack Smithard.

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Speaker 5: This gets kicked back to Judge Chuckkin, Tommy Chuckkin, who

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Speaker 5: was the one who originated the order to nign immunity,

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Speaker 5: and then she has to figure out official versus personal holds,

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Speaker 5: some sort of evidentiary hearing to determine what falls under official,

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Speaker 5: what falls under personal or private.

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Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway for the particulars of the timing here, Julie,

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Speaker 1: is that there's virtually no chance now that any case

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Speaker 1: other than the case that is currently proceeding in New

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Speaker 1: York City is going to be decided before November fifth.

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Speaker 2: That is a jury.

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Speaker 1: Ruling based on the arguments today, and there are a

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Speaker 1: lot more issues at scope than just Trump. And we'll

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Speaker 1: maybe get to that with you in a sec But

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Speaker 1: would you agree with me that it's Alvin Bragg and

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Speaker 1: then it's to the voters in terms of law fair

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Speaker 1: and what's going to be complete?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 5: I mean, we still obviously have the Southern Florida case

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Speaker 5: prodding along, but and there is a slim possibility that

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Speaker 5: could go to trial before the election. But look, cui

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Speaker 5: to your question. If the Supreme Court kicks this back

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Speaker 5: to the District Court to Judge chuck Kin and says

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Speaker 5: you need to hold these hearings to figure out what

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Speaker 5: falls wear, they also will have some choice words for

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Speaker 5: the Circuit Court. I don't know if you guys caught that.

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Speaker 5: Chief Justice John Roberts not pleased with that three judge

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Speaker 5: panel's decision, calling it tautological, you know, basically circular reasoning

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Speaker 5: that they use to uphold Judge Chutkin's ruling. So if

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Speaker 5: they kick that back, Clay, let's say they do wait

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Speaker 5: until the end of June or even the end of May.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I wouldn't be stunned if they put

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Speaker 1: this ruling come out on July third, the day before

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Speaker 1: the July fourth holiday, just to kind of bury it

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Speaker 1: into that. Just to sorry to cut you off. I

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Speaker 1: was looking at the calendar. That's kind of it's the

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Speaker 1: last case they're basically hearing. That could be a possibility

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Speaker 1: if they wanted to hold it as long as possible.

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Speaker 5: True that the under their term is June but to

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Speaker 5: your point, Clay, they can issue orders I believe after that.

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Speaker 5: So let's say that they do. Takes back to chuck Kin.

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Speaker 5: You know, after fourth of July week is over, and

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Speaker 5: she immediately orders We're going to hold an evidentiary hearing

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Speaker 5: two three weeks after that, you have to file your emotions, responses,

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Speaker 5: et cetera. You know, they really start to run out

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Speaker 5: of time. But I'm going to posit something even more

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Speaker 5: terrifying than what we've talked about is going to trial

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Speaker 5: in j six before the election. Is putting Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: on trial after the election. Just imagine for a moment

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Speaker 5: that they have the evidentiary hearings, chuck Kin decides, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this part of the indictment. These acts are official, these aren't.

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Speaker 5: It gets you know, runs, it runs the gamut, and

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Speaker 5: then they toss it back. Okay, this is settled. He

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Speaker 5: can go on trial for private personal acts and here

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Speaker 5: are the ones that we determined. Then can you go

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Speaker 5: to trial the end of November December early January. Even

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Speaker 5: if Trump went, especially if he wins, that's another nightmare

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Speaker 5: scenario that could be created by.

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Speaker 2: But he would be able to pardon himself.

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Speaker 1: Then in that case, if he won, even if he

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Speaker 1: potentially got convicted. You're right, I mean, this is this

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Speaker 1: is honestly, and I don't know why we still do this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we have such a long period

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Speaker 1: what you're hitting at, Julie, November fifth until January, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure twentieth or whatever the date is when the officials. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a long time for a defeated president

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Speaker 1: to remain in office. Historically it used to not be

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Speaker 1: till March, but that was because you had to travel

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Speaker 1: long distances. It's also time, you know, they have a

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Speaker 1: transition that they're trying to prepare for, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's meant to ease the situation, and they

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Speaker 1: didn't prepare for.

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Speaker 3: Four now going on. Really five criminal indictments against one

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Speaker 3: of the canimis to be a part.

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Speaker 1: But I mean I think it that that like kind

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Speaker 1: of a Bayance area, there is is kind of a mess,

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Speaker 1: as Julius.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you about. You know, this is another

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Speaker 3: one of these things. It's kind of buried today. It's

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Speaker 3: a big deal on any other day. But the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court arguments about whether the president could order a coup

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Speaker 3: and effectively undo the constitutional order or not et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Are pretty interesting. But eleven of the electors have been

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Speaker 3: indicted in Arizona. The Arizona AG put out a video

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Speaker 3: today Chris mays.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of this?

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Speaker 3: Like, they didn't indict Trump, they indicted Mark Meadows, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it seems to be somewhat in parallel to

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Speaker 3: or somewhat similar to the Georgia case, at least in

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Speaker 3: terms of some of the conduct.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of all this?

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I treated this last night, and I

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Speaker 5: hate to say it. You have to envy how democrats

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Speaker 5: understand how to coordinate, conspire and leverage their political power.

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Speaker 5: Here's a guy who probably really didn't or woman who

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Speaker 5: really probably didn't even really win the Arizona Attorney General's race,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't matter, because as soon as they take office,

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Speaker 5: they leverage and weaponize their power against their political foes.

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Speaker 5: I haven't had a time to go through the whole indictment,

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Speaker 5: just getting ready for today, but you know, this is Georgia,

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Speaker 5: this is Michigan. This is all to bolster the idea.

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Speaker 5: But even though Trump is unindicted co conspirator, it is

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Speaker 5: to bolster what's happening here in this JA sixth federal case,

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Speaker 5: and it's also a signal, and we heard a little

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Speaker 5: bit about this today, Emy Coneybert really is disappointing. But

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Speaker 5: to continue to raise the idea that asking for or

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Speaker 5: having others create alternative electoral certificates is a crime, which

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Speaker 5: it hasn't. The National Archive is told Congress we get

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Speaker 5: fake electoral or manufactured, made up alternative electoral certificates every

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Speaker 5: presidential election.

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Speaker 2: This is not new.

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Speaker 5: So to criminalize it is also to warn people if

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Speaker 5: you protest in any way the twenty twenty four election,

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Speaker 5: whatever happens, whenever stunts you want to pull, whatever you

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Speaker 5: want to do to demonstrate against let's say Joe Biden

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Speaker 5: gets re elected, we are going to use our law

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Speaker 5: fair against you, and there's nothing to stop them. So

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Speaker 5: this is really to i think, add more optics ulster

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Speaker 5: the political and public view that there's something really criminal

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Speaker 5: about concocting or pretending that you're sending an alternative electoral certificate.

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Speaker 5: Just ridiculous, But so again, such dangerous descent where we

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Speaker 5: are headed using this lawfair not just federally but state

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Speaker 5: power too.

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Speaker 1: Julie, last question for you, you mentioned South Florida. You've

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Speaker 1: been covering that case. Judge Eileen Cannon has allowed a

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Speaker 1: large amount of previously censored materials to be allowed to

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Speaker 1: be displayed publicly. What should we know that that is significant?

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Speaker 1: About what that has uncovered, we should know.

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Speaker 5: And I want to give kudos again to Judge Cannon.

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Speaker 5: I know we've talked a lot about her, but it reveals,

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Speaker 5: and this is why Jack Smith wanted all of this concealed.

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Speaker 5: It reveals Joe Biden's White House, including some of his

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Speaker 5: top attorneys in his General Counsel's office, working collaboratively with

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Speaker 5: the DATE, DOJ, and Archives to manufacture a records slash

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Speaker 5: documents case against Donald Trump. This completely flies in the

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Speaker 5: face of what Smith Jacksmith has alleged in his indictment there,

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Speaker 5: but also what we've been told that Joe Biden and

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Speaker 5: his White House is completely hands off from this prosecution,

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Speaker 5: so they were deeply involved, same players, DOJ, FBI, the Archives,

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Speaker 5: the intelligence community. This is like getting the Russia Gate

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Speaker 5: by the gate bound back together. So kudos to her.

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Speaker 5: There's going to be more unfeelings today. I will be

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Speaker 5: posting later Julianderscore Kelly two, which is the grand jury

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Speaker 5: transcript of that up while team not a Trump's close

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Speaker 5: personal aid also who has been charged in that case

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Speaker 5: as well, Julie grand Jury.

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Speaker 1: We should mention, by the way, Buck that took place

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Before they then flipped to the

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Speaker 1: proceeding all the way down to South Florida, So the

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Speaker 1: judge Cannon wasn't in charge of this.

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Speaker 2: Julie Kelly Substack. You can all subscribe Julie real quick

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Speaker 2: before I let you go.

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Speaker 3: I know Clay said last question, but I'm throwing in

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Speaker 3: a last question because I'm really curious.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the biggest legal risk.

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Speaker 3: For Trump is now? Of all of the cases and scenarios.

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Speaker 5: I mean, right now, I have to think what's happening

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Speaker 5: in New York.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I thought you might say that because Clay and

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Speaker 3: I were just talking about that. This Actually I think

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Speaker 3: what we see happening puts more pressure on them to

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Speaker 3: get even crazier in New York City where they just

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Speaker 3: have full control and there's really no oversight. Go check out,

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Speaker 3: Julie Substack. Everybody declassified.

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Speaker 2: Julie. Always appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We go

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Speaker 1: down to the state of Florida. The surgeon general there

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Speaker 1: man named doctor Mark Ladipoe.

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Speaker 2: Who got almost everything.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Latipo, Man, I'm trying to give him a huge,

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Speaker 1: great lead in got almost everything right on COVID and

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Speaker 1: doctor Aladipo.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you coming on with us. I know that

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Speaker 2: you are super busy.

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Speaker 1: But what in the world is going on with all

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Speaker 1: the people still wearing masks all over the country. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what do you think now when you see a young

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Speaker 1: person still wearing a mask on an airplane flight, or

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Speaker 1: going in or out of a shopping mall or something

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Speaker 1: like that, or even worse, standing outside where as we

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Speaker 1: see a lot of these protesters. As a doctor and

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Speaker 1: also just as a human, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's complete mystery to me too. And actually recently

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Speaker 6: there's a doctor UCLA named doctor Katherine Sterkeysian and she's

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Speaker 6: a practicing doctor there and she did something that I'm

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Speaker 6: so glad she did. She talked to some of some

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Speaker 6: and it turns out it seems like some people they

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Speaker 6: just like to hide their face, which is a really

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Speaker 6: just how people have dealt with all the stress and

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Speaker 6: all the social media disconnection and all the craziness. But

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Speaker 6: they're part of the reason. Seems to be that some

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Speaker 6: still afraid and think the masks is going to help them,

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Speaker 6: which is total nonsense, and that's really sad. But there

872
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Speaker 6: is this phenomenon now, it seems where people are trying

873
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Speaker 6: to hide.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Latipoe, appreciate you being with us, and we always

875
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Speaker 3: deal with the ongoing surprise. I think here that there

876
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Speaker 3: has just been absolutely not only a total lack of

877
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Speaker 3: accountability for people who got a lot of this stuff wrong,

878
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Speaker 3: but not even an admission of what was wrong. I mean,

879
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Speaker 3: the authorities in so many places in the government, specifically

880
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Speaker 3: CDC and IH they still, it seems to me, officially

881
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Speaker 3: have a claim that masks do work. Where does that

882
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Speaker 3: stand like, if I were to go on the CDC

883
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Speaker 3: website right now, are they still sticking by that or

884
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Speaker 3: are they just hoping nobody notices what is official official

885
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Speaker 3: medical apparatus guidance.

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Speaker 6: It's very sad. It's exactly what you're saying. They actually

887
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Speaker 6: continue to advocate for mask wearing on the CDC's websites,

888
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Speaker 6: and they can tinue to ignore all of the clinical

889
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Speaker 6: trials which either show no benefit or such a small

890
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Speaker 6: benefit that it's not even worth talking about, and just

891
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Speaker 6: they focus on these lower quality studies that show these

892
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Speaker 6: enormous benefits which are just completely specious. And it's just

893
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Speaker 6: so sad, and I can't wait we get that leadership

894
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Speaker 6: out and get some people who have more integrity into

895
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Speaker 6: leadership at the CDC.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like any of the people who got

897
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Speaker 1: everything wrong are ever going to have to bear consequences

898
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Speaker 1: for getting everything wrong? And just to kind of reiterate

899
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Speaker 1: for people out there who have forgotten, if I remember correctly,

900
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Speaker 1: your story is you were at UCLA, You've got a

901
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Speaker 1: young family, you recognize that they were not in danger,

902
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Speaker 1: and you started to speak out, and that's how Governor

903
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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis found you. And he said man, we need

904
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Speaker 1: this guy, and so you moved your whole family across country,

905
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Speaker 1: and so correct me if I'm wrong in all that,

906
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Speaker 1: because I do think your bio here and you're life

907
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Speaker 1: story matters in that respect, and how much better. I'm

908
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Speaker 1: just curious, do you think your family's life has been

909
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Speaker 1: as a result of that move that you made from

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Speaker 1: California to Florida?

911
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Speaker 6: Oh so much better? And you know, California is a

912
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Speaker 6: beautiful state, a beautiful state. Florida is beautiful too, but

913
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Speaker 6: California is a beautiful state and they're ruining it. I mean,

914
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Speaker 6: it was terrible during the pandemic. By the time Florida

915
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Speaker 6: was you know, people were living their lives here in

916
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Speaker 6: Florida and we were still in California dealing with hospitals.

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Speaker 6: Even right now, my friend doctor van I prisat at UCSF,

918
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Speaker 6: they're still masking in their hospitals. You know, the hospital's masking,

919
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Speaker 6: the uber drivers masking, all this total nonsense, the social

920
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Speaker 6: distancing craft. And you know, here in Florida, we don't

921
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Speaker 6: have to think we'll worry about any of that, and

922
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Speaker 6: we didn't have to do it, you know, two years ago.

923
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Speaker 6: But we really don't have to do it now thanks

924
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Speaker 6: to legislation that Governor DeSantis has pushed through insigned. I mean,

925
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Speaker 6: it's like it is dead, all that crazy stuff, the

926
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Speaker 6: crazy masks mandate, the vaccine mandates, it's all doa dead

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Speaker 6: here in Florida.

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Speaker 3: Speaking the doctor Joseph Latipo, his book is Transcend Fear,

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Speaker 3: A Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health. What do

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Speaker 3: we do about the fact that, I mean, doctor Alatipau.

931
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Speaker 3: If someone comes to me, and we're obviously having you

932
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Speaker 3: on because we think you and the state of Florida,

933
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Speaker 3: where I am a proud resident, are an exception to this.

934
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Speaker 3: But if someone were to come to me and say

935
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Speaker 3: can I trust public health authorities in general, and then

936
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Speaker 3: they laid out all the reasons why they may not,

937
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Speaker 3: I don't have any answer to that. I mean the

938
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Speaker 3: fact that there has been not only, as I said,

939
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Speaker 3: a lack of apology, but a lack of willingness to

940
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Speaker 3: deal with the data as it stands now, which is irrefutable.

941
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Speaker 3: In with the conclusion that masking is a joke, lockdowns

942
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Speaker 3: are horrible, School shutdowns were a terrible idea, no benefit

943
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Speaker 3: from it whatsoever. Vaccines didn't work nearly as well as

944
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Speaker 3: they said that they would. If they really barely work

945
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Speaker 3: at all, they won't admit anything. So why why should

946
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Speaker 3: people trust public health? I mean, you wrote a book

947
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Speaker 3: about leadership. I mean, if I were president, I'd be like,

948
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Speaker 3: maybe we scraped the CDC and start all over.

949
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Speaker 6: Well, the rational thing to do, of course, is not

950
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Speaker 6: to trust them. I mean, why would you trust someone

951
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Speaker 6: who has repeatedly lied to you aiden information from you,

952
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Speaker 6: like how like when they aid information about mycronditis tenidus,

953
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Speaker 6: which is the ringing in the ears that happens after

954
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Speaker 6: for some people and can be devastating unfortunately, I mean

955
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Speaker 6: really devastating, some people feeling like they can't even continue

956
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Speaker 6: with their lives because of this constant rain that they

957
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Speaker 6: experienced in their in their ears after taking these MR

958
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Speaker 6: and A COVID nineteen vaccines. So why would you ever

959
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Speaker 6: trust someone like that? That's completely in saying, and it's

960
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 6: a double tragedy. It's a double tragedy because they do

961
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Speaker 6: do some things correctly. I mean it's not in COVID,

962
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Speaker 6: but there are other things that the CDC does do correctly.

963
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Speaker 6: But because of all this integrity that they've spent and

964
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Speaker 6: have no more of people, can't you know? It is

965
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Speaker 6: completely rational for people not to trust anything, so people

966
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 6: will miss out on the good things that they do

967
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Speaker 6: while because they're trying to avoid the bad things and

968
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Speaker 6: the harms that they've done. So it's obviously the sensible,

969
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 6: rational thing not to trust someone who lies to you

970
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Speaker 6: and who who hides important information from you, and who

971
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Speaker 6: doesn't think that you are mature enough or have enough,

972
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Speaker 6: have enough station to make decisions for yourself about your lives.

973
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Speaker 6: I mean, that is clearly the rational thing to do

974
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Speaker 6: and that type of relationship.

975
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, and again I'd encourage everybody to go

976
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Speaker 1: check out your book again because you were on so

977
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: much having to do with COVID. Has anyone privately in

978
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: the science community approached you and said, you know what,

979
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: I bought into the fear. I thought you were crazy

980
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, but it turns

981
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Speaker 1: out you were right. Are you getting any of that

982
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: behind the scenes or do you think the people who

983
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: now recognize they were wrong to support shutting down schools

984
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: and wrong to support two year olds getting COVID shots

985
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: that had almost no impact and kids having to wear

986
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: masks in schools. Do they all just want to pretend

987
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: none of this happened. I'm just curious behind the scenes

988
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: whether anyone has acknowledged, you know what, you guys got

989
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: it right in Florida, you got it right with your

990
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: medical diagnosis. Or are they just now not saying anything.

991
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: What are you experiencing not only publicly but maybe privately

992
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: in the science community.

993
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 6: Yeah. Sure, So I've got a note right now that

994
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 6: I'm looking at, and it really warms my heart. Let's

995
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Speaker 6: say PhD professed sir at a university, a large university

996
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 6: in central northeast north United States, who thanked me for,

997
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 6: you know, sticking to the science. And you know, she

998
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 6: wrote a nice, long note. I've never met her before,

999
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 6: but it's a sweet note. And I do get those,

1000
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 6: and those especially when they, I mean, I appreciate them

1001
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Speaker 6: from everyone scientists are non scientists, but especially when I

1002
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Speaker 6: get them from scientists. It gives me some hope because

1003
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Speaker 6: sometimes I do feel like, oh my gosh, you know,

1004
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 6: could I be wrong? You know, I mean, I mean

1005
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 6: I'm here on the on the ledge, you know, alone

1006
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 6: or with very few holleague doctor Peter mccullor doctor Harvey

1007
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 6: Reach doctor Robert Malone. So that does hearten me. But

1008
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Speaker 6: for the most part, and I hate to say it,

1009
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Speaker 6: but it's it's partly I think because of the because

1010
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Speaker 6: of the effects of these m R and A COVID

1011
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Speaker 6: nineteen vaccines, most of the people who who have to

1012
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Speaker 6: know that they were incorrect, they're just able to get

1013
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 6: out of that box and you know, come to the

1014
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Speaker 6: president and come to reality and own up to what

1015
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Speaker 6: they've done. And I do think that it is at

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Speaker 6: least partly due to you know, as well as it

1017
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Speaker 6: sounds to these MR and A COVID nineteen that things.

1018
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Speaker 6: I think it's it's affected some people's way and ability

1019
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Speaker 6: to think.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Vladipo, doctor Surgeon General of Florida.

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Speaker 2: Go buy the book, Go read it.

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Speaker 1: Transcend Fear a Blueprint for mindful leadership in public health.

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Speaker 2: Doctor.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate all the times you come on the show

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Speaker 1: Most Important, Buck and I we really appreciate the fact

1026
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Speaker 1: that you were honest, you were forthright, and you've been

1027
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Speaker 1: proven correct on so many of these issues. You and

1028
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Speaker 1: both Governor Ron DeSantis, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Hey, thank you guys, so much. Pinching for you guys,

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Speaker 6: do too.

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