1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: You know, just speaking of your career, Trump, you put 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: the work in. You know, you can talk about guys 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: that come quickly, you know, you talk about Frank Rodriguez 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: or some guys that kind of really move forward. You 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: worked hard in the minor leagues. Seems like you spent 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: about fifteen years in the minor leagues. I mean it 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: seemed like it was a while, but you figured it out. 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: You move forward and became a force in the major leagues. 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: And for every guy that maybe moves a little quicker, 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: I think there's a guy that got guy in your 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: shoes that maybe is that little late bloomer, gets together 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: a little bit later, but doesn't give up on themselves 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: and moves forward. I think that's the beauty of this 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: game is is just to see the different paths that 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, the young men take to get into pro 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: ball first of all, but make it to the major leagues. 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: And I certainly were all tipped our up to what 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: you did because we know what a grind it was. 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: And once you figured it out, though you had it, 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: there was no doubt about that. 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: You know, repeating levels is a lot of fun. It's 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: you know, that's what you want to do. 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: But you know what. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: It's like being hill back in school. You know where 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: we answer the last year, but it was still you know, 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: you had you had challenges for sure, and you know 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: you came out on the other side of it in 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: the sunshine and it was great to watch. 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 4: Well when I you know, I needed to work. I 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: think part of being as i'm maturity a better self 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: evaluator and probably as a younger, especially as a minor leaguer, 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: I didn't do a very good job. I you know, 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 4: probably thought my defense was just fine and everyone else 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: knew it was not. And you know, Rob Peachelo, I 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: credit with uh, you know, a tony. I don't know 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: how many countless hours behind the scenes and unique drills 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: that I would be doing alone. I'd noticed it was 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: just me and that started to clue me in pretty quickly. 39 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 4: That was instructionally, but you know I had a long 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 4: way to go in the eyes of many. And uh 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 4: but I did you know one thing I never got 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 4: sent down And that may not matter to a lot 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: of people, but it was. It was I'm pretty proud 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: of that, and you know that's everyone's got things they 45 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 4: look back on. But I do, you know, not going 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 4: to the Hall of Fame, nothing like that. But I 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: can't say that, So that was kind of special. 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask. 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 4: About a center fielder you you managed fairly certain you're 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 4: going to say he was the most talented player that 51 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: that you had the privilege of managing. I think you 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: know he's a Northeast guy too. Maybe you joked at 53 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: times about playing them in football and you know, taking 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 4: it to him and taking something else. But uh, you know, 55 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: maybe your first impressions of a young Mike trout and 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: you know his progression as as you saw. 57 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: Him, Well, you're right about Trouty. I mean Troudy's East Coast. 58 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: He's very family oriented and from the first day he 59 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: stepped on the field, everyone was raving about not only 60 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: his physical ability, but his his toughness and uh and 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: and everything he could bring to you know, to to 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: a baseball team. 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 3: And you know, Mike worked very hard. 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, his talent level was unbelievable, but he worked 65 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: very hard on the defensive end, not because he wasn't good. 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: He wanted to be the best he could be. Obviously, 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: the plate, running the bases, everything, everything was just it 68 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: looks so easy to Mike to go play baseball at 69 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: this level. But he worked very hard at it, and 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, he grew up just on the just east 71 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia in South Jersey, big Philadelphia sports fan, so 72 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: I know we kind of bonded with that, and what 73 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: what what he comes. I'm a great family, tremendous family man, 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: and I really think that Mike still has the ability 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: to do some of the things that have kind of, 76 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, it have kind of slipped a little bit, 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: is contingent on some of his health. But if you 78 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: saw the swing the back the last two weeks of 79 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the season last season, you know it's still in there, 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see what it might turn out 81 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: to be this year. You asked me about tough conversations, though, 82 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 1: one of them was you forced You forced it. Remember 83 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: when you came up and Vernon Wells had gotten banged up. 84 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: You might not realize this, but Vernon Wells was you know, 85 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: I was supposed to go out there and play, and 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: you played so well, You played so well out there 87 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: that we all. 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: Had to have you know, I had to have. 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: A conversation with Vernon, and you know, he'd been being 90 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: a veteran and he took it very heart, but I said, 91 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: vern I said, there is no way that we can 92 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: take Mark Trumpell out of the lineup. You're going to 93 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: have to try to get some bats. We can get 94 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: them for you, but he's got a play. So you 95 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: forced ahead that tough conversation. 96 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: I don't know if you. 97 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: Realize at the time, but you certainly are in that position, 98 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: and you were. We were a better team with you 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: playing out there every day. 100 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: Well, I didn't know about that conversation. I do remember 101 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: when they switched the banners in the front of the stadium. 102 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: Mine went up and it just went down. And I 103 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: bring you to the hard thing. No, no, I know that, 104 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: I know that. 105 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 4: But Vernon was a tremendous teammate. He really I think people, 106 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 4: you know, Angel fans might not. You know, the production 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: wasn't quite what it was in Toronto, but I have 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 4: to give him credit. He was a great mentor to me. 109 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: He held some team events behind the scenes and did 110 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: a lot of things that went a long way that 111 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 4: you know, maybe haven't been talked about. But I just 112 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 4: wanted to make it known that you know, he was 113 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: a first class teammate and he never held anything against me. 114 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: You know, because we did. 115 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 4: You know, I took some of his playing time and 116 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: I know some guys wouldn't react very well to that. 117 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: No, he he, he took it like a pro after 118 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: the initial you know, meeting of of and he worked hard. 119 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he worked hard to get back his game back. 120 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: And now he was even though it was tough. It's 121 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: tough when everybody here is that, you know, you know, 122 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: we've all been there. But he eventually took it the 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: way I knew he would take it, and I know 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: he helped you and mentored you would talk about one 125 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: of the things you're you know that you know, we 126 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: get lost sometimes in what we're about in this game. 127 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: And you did you did something that really I think 128 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: shows your depth of character. And it was off the field. 129 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: You were scheduled to go to the the the Children's 130 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: Chris was part of the Dangers what have every year 131 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these kids were under you know, we're 132 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: underprivileged and would come and have a great day at 133 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: the stadium and get gifts. In your scheduled to do it. 134 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: And a couple of weeks before that, you find out 135 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: that you're traded to the Diamondbacks and lo and behold 136 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: they had talked about from the word I get scheduling 137 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: someone else to take your place, and when they called you, 138 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: you said, no, no, no, no, if you unless you 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: don't want me there, because I'm a diamondback, I'm going 140 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: to be there. And you showed up and you gave 141 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: those kids a smile for one day and Trump, it's 142 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: one of the best things that I've heard along from 143 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: from my life. And I want to, you know, let 144 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: you know what it meant to all of us that 145 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: you did that. It shows the character you have and 146 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: what you're about. So that was that was a beautiful thing. 147 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: Well thanks. 148 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 149 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 4: At the time, I you know, I did it for 150 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: what I felt were the right reasons. I didn't expect 151 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: any you know, kind of publicity or you know, it 152 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: was nice that people did acknowledge it, but I just said, 153 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: you know, it's the right thing to do. It's it's 154 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: it's nothing. You know that it's about these kids. It's 155 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: it's not about me. And uh, I. 156 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: Appreciate you saying that that that means a lot. 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 4: And you know, there's there's a lot of ways, as 158 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: you know, a player, you can give back, and especially 159 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: with with with kids. 160 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: I tried to sign. 161 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: As many autographs for everyone as I could, but especially 162 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 4: for for the kids because it can really go a 163 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: long way. And the Christmas party and things like that. 164 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: They don't happen all the time, but when they do, 165 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: you want to do what you can. I think it's 166 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 4: very important. So I appreciate that. There's a couple of 167 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 4: things I wanted to ask you about in the current 168 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: game that I think, you know you you would be 169 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 4: a perfect one to ask. 170 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: The catching on one knee. I don't personally like it. 171 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: I've picked guys brains about it that are in the 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: game that are you know, sorry, Hank, but uh you know, 173 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 4: and they've they've explained it to me, uh you know, 174 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 4: and Hank's explained it in a good way. But I 175 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 4: can't stomach watching a run score because the guy's trying 176 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: to steal a strike, you know, below the knee or something. 177 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: I don't understand that maybe you could help me with that. 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Trouble's a couple of things, you know, I caught an 179 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: eon ago, but I remember being an instructional league in 180 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven and Del Crandell, who was one of 181 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: the big influences of my life as far as becoming, 182 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, approving as a catcher. He would he would 183 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: talk about the low pitch and he would tell us, 184 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: look at we need to get that glove up under 185 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: the up under the hitters knee, and we certainly want 186 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: to catch that that low pitch coming up. 187 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: And he would let us. 188 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Drop our glove about six inches so we can maintain 189 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: a target and we would catch that low pitch coming 190 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: up and we would we would frame it and we 191 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: will get the strike calls that you know that they're 192 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: getting today. I think you can accomplish this from a 193 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: conventional stance, as you know, as as as easy asy 194 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: you to do from one knee. Now here's the rub. 195 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: There's so much responsibility a catcher has. If there's nobody 196 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: on first pitch to a hitter, all you really have 197 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: to worry about is giving a target a catching the ball. 198 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: Well right now is they put so much focus on 199 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: getting up under the ball that the target evaporates and 200 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: most pitchers are thrown into a black hole now because 201 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't have that perspective of where the glove would be. 202 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: So so when when a guy, when you get two 203 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: strikes on a hitter, that responsibility grows from it, just 204 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: catch the ball to you always need to receive the ball. 205 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: But you know what, I need to have some mobility 206 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: to block that slider if it's going to be a 207 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: little bit off corner in the dirt, to get my 208 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: body in front of it. 209 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: It was right in front of me. It's easy. 210 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: But if you tried to catch on one knee and 211 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: block Frankie Rodriguez's breaking ball that landed eighteen inches to 212 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: your right, you'd have to wave at it. 213 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 3: You couldn't do it. 214 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: So my question to like Hank or anybody that says 215 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: you have to be on one knee and not give 216 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: a target, is why is it a question of either one? 217 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: Why can't we do both? 218 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: Why can't we get a conventional stance, give a target 219 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: that a pitcher needs, drop the glove a little bit, 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: come up underneath that low pitch and have the same result. 221 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: And just from even now throwing the ball, how much 222 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: you have to cheat to throw the ball And you'll 223 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: do well if the ball is in your zone, A 224 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: high fastball will you do anytime. But if that ball 225 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: is a little bit off, your throat is going to 226 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: go from a one ninety five to two h five 227 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: so the things are things that. 228 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: Are kind of. 229 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: You know, kind of damage that happens because we're so 230 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: focused on getting that low pitch. My perspective is we 231 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: can do it all, and we need to do it all. 232 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: So I'd love to see catchers get more conventional, still 233 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: get that low pitch called to strike. But I have 234 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: a mobility to block, to throw the field a bunt 235 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: in front of the plate as as as you need to. 236 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's perfect. 237 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 4: I do wonder, you know, as the game progresses, will 238 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 4: have the abs challenge and whatnot. Maybe we'll see if 239 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: you know that trend shifts or you have limited challenges. 240 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: So I assume it will still remain to some degree, 241 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 4: but well, we'll have to monitor that as it goes. 242 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: Maybe I got to talk to Hank huh call. 243 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: His number still works this morning? 244 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, up a little bit. He needs it. He needs it. 245 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: One other last thing, you know from me. A couple 246 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: of years ago, I got to a company, you know, 247 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 4: a fellow player with a lesson with Craig Wallenbrock, who's 248 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 4: gotten a lot of publicity and notoriety. But uh, you know, 249 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 4: he's a big proponent and maybe the first at least that, 250 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: you know, for a guy my age on hitting the 251 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 4: ball in the air more he was he felt like 252 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: that that was the right approach, and he alluded he's 253 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 4: a great storyteller. 254 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do this justice, but you know, he 255 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: did a good job. 256 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 4: But I guess you guys used to hold a summit 257 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: or a conference or something, and he said that you 258 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: and him maybe didn't always agree on hitting philosophies. I 259 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: know you used to advocate for us that now you 260 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: didn't want guys to hit ground balls. But I think 261 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: maybe more of a Mike Schmidt philosophy of you know, 262 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: line drives that will turn into two more as opposed to, 263 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 4: you know, being all right with an infield pop up, 264 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 4: which is not a very competitive at bat sometimes. 265 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Craig and he's very, very knowledgeable hitting. 266 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: And that's the one thing I think we had a 267 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: little discourse with was the fact that I'm great for 268 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: hitting the ball in the air. I'm great for Mark 269 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: Trumple hitting the ball in the air. I'm great for 270 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: Bla Guerrero, Tory Hunter, Albert Poojos hitting the ball in 271 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: the air. I'm not real fan of David Exstein, hitting 272 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: the ball in the air, not real fan of of. 273 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: You know some other players that that are around of 274 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: hitting the ball in the air that aren't going to 275 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: have the same results as those guys. 276 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: And I don't like. 277 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: I don't like the mechanical change to try to hit 278 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: the ball in the air of starting to dip early. 279 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: To get that little uppercut going. 280 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: And as I've listened to some of the best hitters 281 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: ever in the batter's box, I've already talked about La 282 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: Guerrero and Tory Hunter, they were very flat through the 283 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: zone and as they got that ball out in front, 284 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: that that little lift would happen naturally. Now I look 285 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: at your swing Trump, I look at if they throw 286 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: you a little high fastball, you were level through it, 287 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: and if you got out in front, that ball took off. 288 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's the the I think that's the 289 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: the issue I had and have with with getting the 290 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: ball in the air is, you know, not every players 291 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: built to do what a lot of a lot of 292 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: guys are trying to do. And and I think there's 293 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: a there's a way to do it outside of trying 294 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: to get this huge upper cut which has which has 295 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: created big swing and miss zones in the upper part 296 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: of the zone that shouldn't be there. So that that 297 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: that's why I feel about that. But as far as 298 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: what what Craig talks about has bout the balance and 299 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: his prills, he's as good as I've been around. 300 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: The one thing was just. 301 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: Trying to mechanically alter your swing to get the ball 302 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: in the air is something I'm not a fan of. 303 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: All Right, Mike, we're going to end the show with 304 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 5: a little lightning round. We'd like you to give preferably 305 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 5: brief answers to a couple of quick questions. Toughest pitcher 306 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 5: to take out of a game? 307 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: John Lockey, shocker. 308 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 5: And why was that brief second? Were they cut from 309 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 5: the same cloth in that way? 310 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: Oh? 311 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were competitors and I loved it. Those guys 312 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: never wanted to come out and that's what that's you know, 313 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: it just made him so good too. 314 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 5: Most violent home plate collision you've. 315 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: Ever had, Jillie Davis. 316 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 5: M tell us about that one. 317 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: Jillie Davis when he was young, was you know, six 318 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: two two thirty five and could fly and basically the 319 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: center field owner I got the ball just as he 320 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: got his lean and man, he knocked me back somehow 321 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: ball stayed in my glove and uh uh Jilli hurt 322 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: his shoulder and uh, I saw stars. 323 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: But there was no concussion protocol then. 324 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: So you just walk back to the dugout and you 325 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: got ready for the next shitning. 326 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 5: Here's a little bit of a trick question. Favorite ice 327 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 5: cream shop in the Bay Area. 328 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a story that we drove the 329 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: whole team through for ice cream. I told these guys, 330 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: I said, look, if you guys win, we win. We win, 331 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, we win the series. Here up in Oakland, 332 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: I said, we're going to take this team bus on 333 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: the way back to the airport. We're going to take you 334 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: off of ice cream. And I don't even remember the 335 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: name of a Trump do you remember. 336 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know where we were. 337 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 4: I looked up and what is this And we're in 338 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: the hills of Oakland and getting ice cream. 339 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 340 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: They came home with all these milkshakes and Sundays and 341 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: I just felt it was like, you know, these guys 342 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: that played hard. Uh, some of them wanted to get 343 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: back because they had the they had their fantasy draft 344 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: that night. 345 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 3: But but it was it was great. I mean the 346 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: guys got ice cream. 347 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: They you know, they won a game and we just 348 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: went a little we went little league on them and 349 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: they enjoyed it. 350 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: That's fine, It was great, great memory. 351 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, toughest player you ever managed? And why. 352 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: Toughest player ever managed? I think there's there, there's on 353 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: both ends. There's players that are that are that are tough, 354 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: that are disruptive, and you've got to you know, you've 355 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: got to stay on them and you've got to do anything. 356 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: And one of the guys who actually I've gotten along 357 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: with well and he apologized, and jose Gan he apologized 358 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: for some of the things he did as he moved 359 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: on with teams, and you know, we we had a 360 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: lot of we had a number of long conversations on it. 361 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: And then you get the other end of it, a 362 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: guy like Darren Nurstad who never wanted to take a 363 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: day off, never wanted to to play at any level 364 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: outside of one percent. Uh. And so they're they're they're 365 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: they're tougher in a different way. You know, obviously that's 366 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: a better situation to handle. But it's not always the 367 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: guy that you would think that would be the guy 368 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: that would be uh, you know, difficult to manage. 369 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 5: Favorite postgame meal, all of them. 370 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: I got, uh, you know, after that game. 371 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: And even though it wasn't physically there was there was 372 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of wood burning here. So you get, 373 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: you get, you know, you get, you get hungry. But 374 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean it depends on where you were. One of 375 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: them is in is In where they bring the Mexican 376 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: food in the last day in Oakland, and they had 377 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: these they had these uh, these burritos and these I 378 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: mean it was like they were like silk going down. 379 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: So but you know, the foods could. 380 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: Best financial Sorry how he was always peppering you with questions. 381 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 4: I don't I don't know what that was about. Howie Kendrick, 382 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: Oh how I know? 383 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: All yeah, how all the time was yeah, I. 384 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 5: Might best financial advice you could give to young players. 385 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: Pay yourself first, meaning it's easy to go out and 386 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: pay the car dealership for that car, or or you know, 387 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: buy that piece of jewelry or buy this or that. 388 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: I think if you pay yourself first, it's less not 389 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: a long long time ago. You're gonna be set for 390 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: you should be set for your life. And so as 391 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: young players, you know, you never know when that you know, 392 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: when that great flow of money might be halted or diminished. 393 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: So when you get it, just make sure you're paying 394 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: yourself first, putting it away, investing it to get that 395 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: get that mother load of money that will get you through. 396 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: If if you're kind, your your sir at your career 397 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: goes different way. 398 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 5: Might be hard to only pick one, but favorite spring 399 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 5: training clubhouse meeting or prank. 400 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: Oh man, I think Trump was on a couple. 401 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 5: Of those, right, he bows his head in shame. 402 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: The best prank. Uh, Well, we had some great meetings. 403 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when Shovinatani came in. We we 404 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: had we had a game where we had some Japanese 405 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: yen dollars, we had money from Mexico. We had all 406 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: this money up and in fact, Taylor Warded was just 407 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: barely coming up and he had to pick just cold 408 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: turk without which pile he wanted. 409 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: I think he picked the end and tv about six dollars. 410 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: It was like a piece and. 411 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: The other one were like, you know, about a couple 412 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: of hundred bucks. So, uh, you know, things like that 413 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: are funny, but the best ones. We sent the guys 414 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: out to the fair out in uh the medieval fair 415 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: that was out and I almost say Chandler. 416 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: Was, I don't know, we want that old riggs. 417 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: No you weren't there, of course of course I was. 418 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 419 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: Butterfly Festival, they brought back a video that was hilarious. 420 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: Days I still left thinking about it and it was 421 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know you were all out of that. 422 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: No there, I think you you You sent multiple groups out. 423 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: We had one that we covered a little differently. I 424 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 4: think we brought the entertainment in house, but I think 425 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: the other one, yeah. 426 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 1: We had we we had a real quick when we 427 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: had the Ostrich come in from Jared Wasasburn brought the 428 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: Ostrich into the into our clubhouse. And I'm not kidding you, 429 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: Ramon or Teas. He jumped out how he got there, 430 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: jumped on top of the locker. He climbed it like 431 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: he was climbing a tree and got up on the 432 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: locker and he's saying in Spanish, get that big chicken. 433 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 5: Out of here and Poland right. 434 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: Right, and he was. He was actually sweating and shaking. 435 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 3: That was that was something the best. 436 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 5: All right, Well that'll do it for this edition of 437 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 5: Halo Territory. Mike Soosha, thank you so much for your time. 438 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us. Please like and subscribe and we'll 439 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 5: see you next time on Halo Territory.