Speaker 1: All right, Jared Sandler is here covering the Rangers, of course,
Speaker 1: but we're talking World Series ball. Jared, Great to see you,
Speaker 1: and I'll set this up. So this, I think, is
Speaker 1: what our show is all about. Texting with a friend
Speaker 1: about some ideas about the game, and then it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to hop on for ten minutes and go
Speaker 1: over it? So how you doing? And then within that,
Speaker 1: just lay out what we were texting about to everyone
Speaker 1: and we'll kick around the ideas for fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up? Fellow's great seeing you guys.
Speaker 3: So I just had someboddies email thread talking about the
Speaker 3: game last night, and one of the guys like, hey,
Speaker 3: we got to get rid of the intentional walk in baseball.
Speaker 3: And I want to make something clear. It's given me
Speaker 3: something to think about. And it's not just last night.
Speaker 3: I've had conversations about the intentional walk before.
Speaker 2: I don't know where I stand.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna admit that I'm kind of riding the fence
Speaker 3: on the pros and cons. But he offered up three alternatives,
Speaker 3: one of which I really like. The one I like
Speaker 3: is that a team can only intentionally walk about her
Speaker 3: once per game. After that, you've got to execute four
Speaker 3: pitches in the dirt or four pitches where you're working
Speaker 3: around the hitter, but you can only you know, hey,
Speaker 3: throw up the four fingers. That guy goes to first
Speaker 3: once per game. The other options one was an intentional
Speaker 3: walk advances every batter or every base runner one base.
Speaker 3: So if you have a runner at second and nobody out,
Speaker 3: or runner at second nobody else on, you intentionally walk
Speaker 3: the hitter, it becomes first and third as opposed to
Speaker 3: first and second. Obviously, if you're intentionally walking someone with
Speaker 3: a runner at third, then that guy scores.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I love that one. Another one
Speaker 2: was all four pitch walks or intentional walks or two bases.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I love that either, because what
Speaker 3: if there's a guy that just he's lost control for
Speaker 3: a second.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I certainly think that's the way to go, and maybe
Speaker 3: they're the answer is that there doesn't need to be
Speaker 3: a change. I'm not sitting here saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: we need to overreact because of one game, But the
Speaker 3: impetus behind all this is and a part of what
Speaker 3: makes every sport unique is what makes you know people
Speaker 3: love those sports. But you know, in the NBA close game,
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, you want to get Steph Curry the ball.
Speaker 2: You get Steph Curry.
Speaker 3: The ball team might double team him, that they might
Speaker 3: try and force the ball out of his hands, but
Speaker 3: you still, you know he's in a position to try
Speaker 3: and do something and you can counter that. In the NFL,
Speaker 3: if the Chiefs have the ball with a minute thirty
Speaker 3: five left, you know, the Bills can't say, hey, we're
Speaker 3: going to force We're going to use the press this butt.
Speaker 3: Patrick Mames has to be on the sideline. In the NHL,
Speaker 3: you want your best line out on the ice in
Speaker 3: the biggest moment.
Speaker 2: You can do that. In our sport. A part of
Speaker 2: the beauty is that you rely on one through nine.
Speaker 2: Like I love that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a bug. I think that's a feature.
Speaker 3: But I do wonder, you know, does it does it
Speaker 3: make sense to at least force the athletes on the
Speaker 3: mound to get the athlete in the box out in
Speaker 3: these big moments, you know, and being Shoho tani as
Speaker 3: opposed to just taking the bat out of his hands
Speaker 3: completely strategically, it makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know, I'm curious your thoughts. I
Speaker 3: don't know where I stand on this. I don't know
Speaker 3: that there needs to be a change, but it was
Speaker 3: something that we had discussed over email after the game
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting discussion.
Speaker 4: They used to do this, Jared.
Speaker 5: They used to stand up, a right handed batter used
Speaker 5: to stand up and you put your hand out and
Speaker 5: they'd throw it out there and everybody would boo and
Speaker 5: it was a waste of time. Or we could go
Speaker 5: to this your email thread where all your buddies are like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, they should just get rid of the intentional walk. Okay,
Speaker 5: then and then we'll all write letters into the league
Speaker 5: and say how we want to watch the game and
Speaker 5: what we want to see happen. You can do all
Speaker 5: those things. You can double team somebody in the NBA
Speaker 5: and you can make sure they don't get the ball.
Speaker 5: You can go absolute blitz coverage on Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 5: you can make it just living hell for him and
Speaker 5: not cover anybody else if you think he's But it's
Speaker 5: a team sport, like getting rid of the intentional walk.
Speaker 5: You know how you stop teams from intentionally walking guys?
Speaker 5: Five times? Mookie Bets gets a hit and ends the game.
Speaker 5: Oh wait, I guess we can't do that. Like it's
Speaker 5: a team game and if we always are like, oh man,
Speaker 5: I really love to see Shohil Tani hit man. That
Speaker 5: would be great. Yeah, okay, that's fine. Tell Mokie Bets
Speaker 5: to do better, or tell your pit like I don't
Speaker 5: want to see I don't want to see them. You know,
Speaker 5: stand up here, okay, you know over here. The one
Speaker 5: moment is when some dude has the yips and he
Speaker 5: throws he yard darts one or he lobs one, and
Speaker 5: Miguel Cabrera hits a base hit. So when I read this,
Speaker 5: I was kind of like, no, we were already there.
Speaker 2: We don't need to go back.
Speaker 3: If I would have bet on the three of you
Speaker 3: guys who is going to have the strongest opinion against this,
Speaker 3: I would have put all my chips in that it'll
Speaker 3: be cratzy.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: AJ's a wild card, but I I figured I was
Speaker 3: going to get that sort of response to America. I
Speaker 3: just want to make it clear again, I don't know
Speaker 3: how I feel about this. I think it's interesting. I
Speaker 3: also think about things like that, the long term health
Speaker 3: of the game. And I'm not saying the intentional walk
Speaker 3: is shaping this one way or the other, but like
Speaker 3: there's the baseball side of it, but then also like
Speaker 3: just the entertainment fan side of it, and I try
Speaker 3: and balance those two. And that's why I think this
Speaker 3: maybe has meyrit not so much for the baseball side
Speaker 3: of it, because this is a strategy. It's strategy just
Speaker 3: like anything else, just like hack a shack with strategy.
Speaker 2: In the NBA.
Speaker 3: But then I think about, like the people who are
Speaker 3: watching this game trying to decide do I like, how
Speaker 3: much do I want to invest in being a fan
Speaker 3: in the sport? And you know, they go and they
Speaker 3: hear about the show Heyo Tani guy, and they certainly
Speaker 3: got to show the first you know, nine innings of
Speaker 3: the game when he had the four extra base hits
Speaker 3: and the game time home run in the seventh and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not necessarily saying I want to get
Speaker 3: rid of the intentional walk, but I do. It's interesting
Speaker 3: just hearing the other possibilities that could be out there.
Speaker 3: And like I said, the one that if you told
Speaker 3: me you have to make a change, we're getting rid
Speaker 3: of the intentional walk. The one that I would say
Speaker 3: I would vote for is you can you can choot,
Speaker 3: or I say, get rid of the intentional walk. Get
Speaker 3: rid of the intentional walk as it is currently allowed,
Speaker 3: which is you can do it as much as you want.
Speaker 3: I would say you can do it once again if
Speaker 3: you told me you had to make a change to
Speaker 3: the current structure.
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Speaker 5: Sorry, Jared, because that's how much I think your idea sucks.
Speaker 5: But sorry, I appreciate it. This is all this is. Listen,
Speaker 5: they already did it. I've seen pitchers throw intentional walk
Speaker 5: pitches away, so what they did was the right thing.
Speaker 5: It speeds up the game. And I'm all for speeding
Speaker 5: up the game with the pitch clock and all that.
Speaker 5: But here's the key, and I think and Crats nailed it.
Speaker 5: Mookie Bats get some hits. You want to know how
Speaker 5: they stopped doing this if Mookie Bats comes up and
Speaker 5: gets it.
Speaker 4: I hit behind Barry Bonds a year.
Speaker 5: He walked two hundred and I don't know seventy times,
Speaker 5: and like one hundred and eighty nine of them were
Speaker 5: intentional because I wasn't a guy that could hit seventy
Speaker 5: homers like Barry Bonds could. So they were like, oh,
Speaker 5: this guy hit into a double play and whatever. Like fine,
Speaker 5: And I had a decent year but I'm not Mookie Betts,
Speaker 5: and they still are doing this to get to an
Speaker 5: MVP and Mookie.
Speaker 4: Betts and Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5: Okay, so Mookie Betts does to get it, get his hits,
Speaker 5: but this is the strategy when they will.
Speaker 4: You have to walk, guys, and you have to pick
Speaker 4: and choose your battles.
Speaker 5: Baseball is it individual is a team game made up
Speaker 5: of individual performances. Okay, and that's the key. You need
Speaker 5: one through nine. You needed some guy every night. It's
Speaker 5: got to be someone else that steps up. When the
Speaker 5: Texas Rangers won the World Series, it wasn't always Corey
Speaker 5: seeger A. Doley Scarcia had big hits. Jonah him had
Speaker 5: big hits, everybody had. All these different guys had big
Speaker 5: hits at different times. Right, So I think this is
Speaker 5: a dumb idea. I appreciate that you guys put a
Speaker 5: lot of thought to it. You and your friends put
Speaker 5: a lot of thought into it. But you know what,
Speaker 5: you guys wasted your time and you're a Spurs fan,
Speaker 5: so it hurts me to say that. But man, y'all,
Speaker 5: y'all put a way too much time to something is
Speaker 5: not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Just to be clear, not a San Antonio Spurs fan
Speaker 3: the top because I hate the Spurs.
Speaker 2: I'm a mass him. Uh no, I listen. I I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're listening.
Speaker 3: We'll definitely be sure to send them the link and
Speaker 3: uh you know, we'll put that in the email threat.
Speaker 2: I I just thought it was an interesting discussion.
Speaker 3: But uh, hey, I I never claimed to be smart.
Speaker 3: I I I I know my place in this game.
Speaker 5: Jared, I hope you're not offended by us saying it's
Speaker 5: not at all. You're not saying at all you're dumb.
Speaker 5: We're saying your idea was dumb. Okay, your friends they
Speaker 5: might be if they didn't come on the show.
Speaker 6: Wait, bring me on, bring me on here. I want
Speaker 6: to jump in.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, defense attorney Scott.
Speaker 5: Scott's gonna come on and say Rob for I'm Rob Manford,
Speaker 5: and I think that's a great idea because da whatever,
Speaker 5: go ahead, wrong, we alreadychang here's the role thirteen years ago.
Speaker 5: Now we're going to change it back because we just
Speaker 5: want to make everybody get a participation award.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Scott, Jared.
Speaker 1: And I have covered the game for a long time
Speaker 1: and we work with players and talk to players right,
Speaker 1: and players are not always.
Speaker 6: Right about what fans want to see.
Speaker 1: Many players I spoke to were against any rule change
Speaker 1: of any kind, timeouts, pitch clock shifts.
Speaker 2: You name it.
Speaker 1: And there have been a lot of changes that have
Speaker 1: brought a lot of positivity to the sport.
Speaker 6: So I just think it's worth having discussions. People lost their.
Speaker 5: Minds on Scott's on the email thread Scott email thread.
Speaker 3: Scott was one that sent the email exactly just kidding,
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: Question.
Speaker 1: Here's so many players that want to pitchcock and they
Speaker 1: were flat out wrong.
Speaker 4: I love the pitch clock as an announcer is Jared,
Speaker 4: I know he does. But here's the thing. How many
Speaker 4: of you? Hi? Hi, mom? Who's that? Hi? Honey?
Speaker 3: It's my it's my my wife and I are living
Speaker 3: with my wife's nana right now.
Speaker 2: So that's Nana who just walked by.
Speaker 4: Hey, Rana, what's up? Here's my question?
Speaker 2: Nana? Do you like the intentional walk? She said? What's
Speaker 2: the intentional lot? She's on high side?
Speaker 4: Ay?
Speaker 6: J sixty seconds?
Speaker 4: No real quick though?
Speaker 2: You okay?
Speaker 4: Would you rather see the just him show? Hey go
Speaker 4: to first?
Speaker 5: Or have that at baut where the guy throws four
Speaker 5: balls in the dirt and we waste three minutes of
Speaker 5: our lives instead of just saying go to first, like
Speaker 5: that was so much better when they just were like,
Speaker 5: go to first, MOOKI trying to get it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'd say this, there's no skill in doing this.
Speaker 3: I think there is a skill in pitching around guys,
Speaker 3: because you guys have seen this, find the plate, you've
Speaker 3: had a picture on the mound, and the directive is,
Speaker 3: you know, we're let's see if this guy can chase.
Speaker 2: If not, we're going to pitch around him.
Speaker 3: And then you leave a pitch that is over the
Speaker 3: corner and that guy, that athlete in the box is
Speaker 3: so good he's able to drive that into gap or
Speaker 3: over the wall. So I do think there is a
Speaker 3: skill in being able to pitch around guys. There's no
Speaker 3: skill in turning and doing this. So I just the
Speaker 3: reason I find this to have some merit. I know
Speaker 3: we're on o'clock here, is that I'm all for rules
Speaker 3: that at least put athletes in a position to be
Speaker 3: athletes or challenge their athleticism. And I always ask myself
Speaker 3: that question, So that that's why I think I've given
Speaker 3: it some consideration. I have asked some players around the league, pitchers,
Speaker 3: as you can imagine, they don't like it. I've talked
Speaker 3: to some hitters though, They're like, yeah, I think this
Speaker 3: is interesting.
Speaker 2: There's obviously biases involved with their roles in the game.
Speaker 1: Though. Stay for two minutes. We're hitting a break for
Speaker 1: the TV crowd. We have two minutes left to keep
Speaker 1: this going. Okay, So here's the radical thought. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying this is what we should do, but Jared,
Speaker 1: what about if you're limiting the amount of times you
Speaker 1: can walk someone in a game period?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: So if you're limited not I'm saying, if.
Speaker 5: You can't make a guy swing, you can't make a
Speaker 5: guy swing, Scott, what are you gonna Oh no, he
Speaker 5: gets extra balls until you throw him a strike?
Speaker 4: Like, what are you talking about? What do you mean
Speaker 4: the other?
Speaker 6: Yeah? But if if you walk guys, right, punished for
Speaker 6: walking guys. If if you want to throw strikes, throw strikes.
Speaker 1: If you can't throw strikes to a guy, because the
Speaker 1: problem is yeah, if you go back to saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you actually have to throw it, you can just fake
Speaker 1: throw right, guys know where I mean?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 6: Can throw outside the zone or throw it in the dirt.
Speaker 6: But what if you're like, hey.
Speaker 4: No, they can't, No, they can't. Some guys can't do it.
Speaker 2: I know, but I saw Flag Guerrero.
Speaker 4: Hit a home run.
Speaker 5: I didn't see it, but Flaguerreo hit a home run
Speaker 5: on intentional walk and double a off Troy Carrasco lefty.
Speaker 4: He couldn't get him out. He tried to intentionally walk him.
Speaker 5: Flagguerrero went right center boom at Harrisburg on intentional walk.
Speaker 4: So some guys can't even do that.
Speaker 5: So don't say, oh, well, guys, how hard is it
Speaker 5: for a guy to hit a guy when you tell
Speaker 5: them to hit a guy? It ain't that easy for
Speaker 5: these guys because they're programmed to throw strikes. They're not
Speaker 5: programmed to miss the strike zone.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But my point is, if you're just gonna intentionally walk
Speaker 1: a guy, you could stand out like we used to
Speaker 1: and just catch a ball unless you have the yips.
Speaker 2: Well the guys, I know.
Speaker 6: But it doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: You should just go like this and put them on
Speaker 4: if that's the strategy.
Speaker 1: But the point is all the sports get to see
Speaker 1: their stars thrive and thrive, and our sport.
Speaker 6: Actually does the opposite, And I get it. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there. Other sports do thrive
Speaker 1: by letting their superstar step up for half the night.
Speaker 1: Last night, Otani just goes to first and he's still
Speaker 1: a factor because he can run and you know, he
Speaker 1: was caught stealing the one time. But it's not the
Speaker 1: same as getting to see more Show Hey at Bats.
Speaker 1: That's all we're just trying to brainstorm. Is there a
Speaker 1: way to still get show Hey at Bats or Superstar
Speaker 1: at Bats? And your answer, both of.
Speaker 5: You guys gold nip bat, gold nip Bat, gold nipet, do.
Speaker 2: You actually like like I don't like that role. There's
Speaker 2: no way you actually like that rule?
Speaker 5: Right, No, But if you wanted to get in a
Speaker 5: little bit, because it would have been kind of come
Speaker 5: up a couple.
Speaker 2: Of times, you know, Yeah, I don't buy that you
Speaker 2: like that wad.
Speaker 5: And blat here comes flat. Oh wait, we're gonna move
Speaker 5: flat into the spot.
Speaker 6: I don't know, been kind, We got a guy, we
Speaker 6: got ten seconds.
Speaker 3: Well, never mind the show Hey rule. It's basically tonight
Speaker 3: he's able to pitch in d H. It's a rule
Speaker 3: made for him. I'm curious your thoughts on that can
Speaker 3: discuss in.
Speaker 2: A later time.
Speaker 1: Yep, there you go, all right, Jared, good stuff, dude,
Speaker 1: Thanks for popping on and waking our guys up.
Speaker 6: We needed some coffee.
Speaker 4: Boys.
Speaker 6: We were continuing the combo.
Speaker 1: Gied Tandler did a nice job, and he brought up
Speaker 1: the show Heyo Tiny Rule.
Speaker 6: Do you like the show Hao Tiny Rule? The real one?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it allows them to play in DH I'm fine
Speaker 5: with it, but he's the only guy. He's the only
Speaker 5: guy that could do it, which I wish. I wish
Speaker 5: there was a I wish there was a more way
Speaker 5: to get more people to try this, but because the
Speaker 5: way it's set up, it's it's set up basically for
Speaker 5: one guy, and they change the rule for one guy,
Speaker 5: and I don't know, We'll see if we can get
Speaker 5: some other guys to do it. But I do like
Speaker 5: the fact that we get to see him, and even
Speaker 5: if they walk them five times, Scott, at least we
Speaker 5: get to see him.
Speaker 6: Guys are trolling me so hard, like I'm not the
Speaker 6: one pushing for it. I'm just saying, like, let's.
Speaker 5: Listen, you're on the email threat Scott you're on the
Speaker 5: email threat.
Speaker 4: I was a problem.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like you're not even allowed to bring something
Speaker 1: up or say something right in our sport or in
Speaker 1: a lot of debates, right.
Speaker 6: Like why can't we just talk through it? It's a
Speaker 6: sports talk show.
Speaker 1: Some people I was texting were like, hey, fifteenth inning,
Speaker 1: ghost Runner, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 5: Bad It's the only sport where we have one rule
Speaker 5: for the regular season and a different rule for the postseason.
Speaker 1: No hockey, hockey a shootouts in the regular season, and
Speaker 1: then they don't so too true. But I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the ghost Runner more than most do.
Speaker 1: Fifteenth inning, I'm okay with it. Woh, I got last words?
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Speaker 5: Scot But by the way, thank god for Fox one.
Speaker 5: So I could watch the game last night because that's
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Speaker 5: was like, I was, I was sitting here from the
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Speaker 4: Really are we really doing a postgame at three in
Speaker 4: the morning.
Speaker 5: And Mark of course was like yeah, forty one and
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Speaker 2: True, it's good.
Speaker 6: Kratz was waiting on that one since last night. That's good.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 6: There he is.
Speaker 2: Thank you