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Speaker 1: All right, Jared Sandler is here covering the Rangers, of course,

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Speaker 1: but we're talking World Series ball. Jared, Great to see you,

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Speaker 1: and I'll set this up. So this, I think, is

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Speaker 1: what our show is all about. Texting with a friend

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Speaker 1: about some ideas about the game, and then it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you want to hop on for ten minutes and go

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Speaker 1: over it? So how you doing? And then within that,

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Speaker 1: just lay out what we were texting about to everyone

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Speaker 1: and we'll kick around the ideas for fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up? Fellow's great seeing you guys.

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Speaker 3: So I just had someboddies email thread talking about the

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Speaker 3: game last night, and one of the guys like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we got to get rid of the intentional walk in baseball.

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Speaker 3: And I want to make something clear. It's given me

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Speaker 3: something to think about. And it's not just last night.

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Speaker 3: I've had conversations about the intentional walk before.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where I stand.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna admit that I'm kind of riding the fence

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Speaker 3: on the pros and cons. But he offered up three alternatives,

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Speaker 3: one of which I really like. The one I like

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Speaker 3: is that a team can only intentionally walk about her

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Speaker 3: once per game. After that, you've got to execute four

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Speaker 3: pitches in the dirt or four pitches where you're working

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Speaker 3: around the hitter, but you can only you know, hey,

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Speaker 3: throw up the four fingers. That guy goes to first

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Speaker 3: once per game. The other options one was an intentional

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Speaker 3: walk advances every batter or every base runner one base.

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Speaker 3: So if you have a runner at second and nobody out,

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Speaker 3: or runner at second nobody else on, you intentionally walk

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Speaker 3: the hitter, it becomes first and third as opposed to

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Speaker 3: first and second. Obviously, if you're intentionally walking someone with

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Speaker 3: a runner at third, then that guy scores.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I love that one. Another one

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Speaker 2: was all four pitch walks or intentional walks or two bases.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I love that either, because what

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Speaker 3: if there's a guy that just he's lost control for

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: I certainly think that's the way to go, and maybe

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Speaker 3: they're the answer is that there doesn't need to be

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Speaker 3: a change. I'm not sitting here saying that, you know,

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Speaker 3: we need to overreact because of one game, But the

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Speaker 3: impetus behind all this is and a part of what

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Speaker 3: makes every sport unique is what makes you know people

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Speaker 3: love those sports. But you know, in the NBA close game,

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Speaker 3: fourth quarter, you want to get Steph Curry the ball.

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Speaker 2: You get Steph Curry.

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Speaker 3: The ball team might double team him, that they might

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Speaker 3: try and force the ball out of his hands, but

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Speaker 3: you still, you know he's in a position to try

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Speaker 3: and do something and you can counter that. In the NFL,

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Speaker 3: if the Chiefs have the ball with a minute thirty

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Speaker 3: five left, you know, the Bills can't say, hey, we're

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Speaker 3: going to force We're going to use the press this butt.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mames has to be on the sideline. In the NHL,

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Speaker 3: you want your best line out on the ice in

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Speaker 3: the biggest moment.

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Speaker 2: You can do that. In our sport. A part of

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Speaker 2: the beauty is that you rely on one through nine.

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Speaker 2: Like I love that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's a bug. I think that's a feature.

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Speaker 3: But I do wonder, you know, does it does it

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Speaker 3: make sense to at least force the athletes on the

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Speaker 3: these big moments, you know, and being Shoho tani as

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Speaker 3: opposed to just taking the bat out of his hands

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Speaker 3: completely strategically, it makes all the sense in the world.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know, I'm curious your thoughts. I

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Speaker 3: don't know where I stand on this. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that there needs to be a change, but it was

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Speaker 3: something that we had discussed over email after the game

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Speaker 3: last night.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting discussion.

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Speaker 4: They used to do this, Jared.

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Speaker 5: They used to stand up, a right handed batter used

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Speaker 5: to stand up and you put your hand out and

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Speaker 5: they'd throw it out there and everybody would boo and

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Speaker 5: it was a waste of time. Or we could go

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Speaker 5: to this your email thread where all your buddies are like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know, they should just get rid of the intentional walk. Okay,

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Speaker 5: then and then we'll all write letters into the league

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Speaker 5: and say how we want to watch the game and

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Speaker 5: what we want to see happen. You can do all

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Speaker 5: those things. You can double team somebody in the NBA

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Speaker 5: and you can make sure they don't get the ball.

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Speaker 5: You can go absolute blitz coverage on Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 5: a team sport, like getting rid of the intentional walk.

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Speaker 5: You know how you stop teams from intentionally walking guys?

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Speaker 5: Five times? Mookie Bets gets a hit and ends the game.

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Speaker 5: Oh wait, I guess we can't do that. Like it's

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Speaker 5: a team game and if we always are like, oh man,

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Speaker 5: I really love to see Shohil Tani hit man. That

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Speaker 5: would be great. Yeah, okay, that's fine. Tell Mokie Bets

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Speaker 5: to do better, or tell your pit like I don't

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Speaker 5: want to see I don't want to see them. You know,

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Speaker 5: stand up here, okay, you know over here. The one

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Speaker 5: Miguel Cabrera hits a base hit. So when I read this,

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Speaker 5: I was kind of like, no, we were already there.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to go back.

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Speaker 3: If I would have bet on the three of you

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Speaker 3: guys who is going to have the strongest opinion against this,

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Speaker 3: I would have put all my chips in that it'll

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: AJ's a wild card, but I I figured I was

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Speaker 3: going to get that sort of response to America. I

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Speaker 3: just want to make it clear again, I don't know

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Speaker 3: how I feel about this. I think it's interesting. I

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Speaker 3: also think about things like that, the long term health

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Speaker 3: of the game. And I'm not saying the intentional walk

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Speaker 3: there's the baseball side of it, but then also like

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Speaker 3: maybe has meyrit not so much for the baseball side

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Speaker 3: of it, because this is a strategy. It's strategy just

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Speaker 3: like anything else, just like hack a shack with strategy.

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Speaker 2: In the NBA.

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Speaker 3: But then I think about, like the people who are

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Speaker 3: in the sport? And you know, they go and they

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Speaker 3: hear about the show Heyo Tani guy, and they certainly

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Speaker 3: got to show the first you know, nine innings of

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not necessarily saying I want to get

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Speaker 3: And like I said, the one that if you told

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Speaker 3: I would vote for is you can you can choot,

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Speaker 3: or I say, get rid of the intentional walk. Get

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Speaker 3: rid of the intentional walk as it is currently allowed,

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Speaker 3: which is you can do it as much as you want.

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Speaker 3: I would say you can do it once again if

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Speaker 3: you told me you had to make a change to

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Speaker 3: the current structure.

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Speaker 1: The old card experience was a slow burned, long grind. Right,

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Speaker 1: find the box, find the pack you want, open the pack.

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Speaker 6: It in for grading.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on and you want to

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Speaker 1: sell it. Now, you got to put it up. Then

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Speaker 7: and I think that's what people miss nowadays, the experience,

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Speaker 7: the excitement of getting a new card. You never know

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Speaker 7: think of really cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can get twenty percent off your first slab pack

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Speaker 1: what gets Todd father so excited when he gets that

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Speaker 6: It's like butter babyter.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, Jared, because that's how much I think your idea sucks.

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Speaker 5: But sorry, I appreciate it. This is all this is. Listen,

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Speaker 5: they already did it. I've seen pitchers throw intentional walk

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Speaker 5: pitches away, so what they did was the right thing.

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Speaker 5: It speeds up the game. And I'm all for speeding

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Speaker 5: But here's the key, and I think and Crats nailed it.

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Speaker 5: Mookie Bats get some hits. You want to know how

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Speaker 5: they stopped doing this if Mookie Bats comes up and

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Speaker 4: I hit behind Barry Bonds a year.

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Speaker 5: He walked two hundred and I don't know seventy times,

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Speaker 5: and like one hundred and eighty nine of them were

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Speaker 5: intentional because I wasn't a guy that could hit seventy

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Speaker 5: this guy hit into a double play and whatever. Like fine,

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Speaker 5: And I had a decent year but I'm not Mookie Betts,

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Speaker 5: and they still are doing this to get to an

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Speaker 5: Okay, so Mookie Betts does to get it, get his hits,

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Speaker 5: but this is the strategy when they will.

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Speaker 4: You have to walk, guys, and you have to pick

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Speaker 5: Baseball is it individual is a team game made up

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Speaker 5: of individual performances. Okay, and that's the key. You need

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Speaker 5: one through nine. You needed some guy every night. It's

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Speaker 5: Texas Rangers won the World Series, it wasn't always Corey

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Speaker 5: seeger A. Doley Scarcia had big hits. Jonah him had

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Speaker 5: big hits, everybody had. All these different guys had big

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Speaker 5: hits at different times. Right, So I think this is

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Speaker 5: lot of thought to it. You and your friends put

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Speaker 5: a lot of thought into it. But you know what,

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Speaker 5: you guys wasted your time and you're a Spurs fan,

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Speaker 5: so it hurts me to say that. But man, y'all,

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Speaker 5: y'all put a way too much time to something is

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Speaker 5: not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Just to be clear, not a San Antonio Spurs fan

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Speaker 2: I'm a mass him. Uh no, I listen. I I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they're listening.

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Speaker 3: We'll definitely be sure to send them the link and

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Speaker 3: uh you know, we'll put that in the email threat.

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Speaker 2: I I just thought it was an interesting discussion.

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Speaker 3: But uh, hey, I I never claimed to be smart.

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Speaker 3: I I I I know my place in this game.

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Speaker 5: Jared, I hope you're not offended by us saying it's

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Speaker 5: not at all. You're not saying at all you're dumb.

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Speaker 5: We're saying your idea was dumb. Okay, your friends they

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Speaker 5: might be if they didn't come on the show.

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Speaker 5: and I think that's a great idea because da whatever,

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Speaker 1: And I have covered the game for a long time

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Speaker 6: Right about what fans want to see.

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Speaker 1: Many players I spoke to were against any rule change

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Speaker 6: So I just think it's worth having discussions. People lost their.

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Speaker 5: Minds on Scott's on the email thread Scott email thread.

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Speaker 3: Scott was one that sent the email exactly just kidding,

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Speaker 1: Here's so many players that want to pitchcock and they

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Speaker 4: I love the pitch clock as an announcer is Jared,

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Speaker 4: I know he does. But here's the thing. How many

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Speaker 4: Would you rather see the just him show? Hey go

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Speaker 5: Or have that at baut where the guy throws four

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd say this, there's no skill in doing this.

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Speaker 3: I think there is a skill in pitching around guys,

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Speaker 3: And then you leave a pitch that is over the

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Speaker 2: There's obviously biases involved with their roles in the game.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 6: So if you're limited not I'm saying, if.

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Speaker 5: You can't make a guy swing, you can't make a

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Speaker 4: Like, what are you talking about? What do you mean

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Speaker 6: Yeah? But if if you walk guys, right, punished for

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Speaker 6: walking guys. If if you want to throw strikes, throw strikes.

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 6: Can throw outside the zone or throw it in the dirt.

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Speaker 4: No, they can't, No, they can't. Some guys can't do it.

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Speaker 2: I know, but I saw Flag Guerrero.

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Speaker 5: I didn't see it, but Flaguerreo hit a home run

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Speaker 4: He couldn't get him out. He tried to intentionally walk him.

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Speaker 5: So don't say, oh, well, guys, how hard is it

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Speaker 5: these guys because they're programmed to throw strikes. They're not

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: But my point is, if you're just gonna intentionally walk

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Speaker 2: Well the guys, I know.

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Speaker 6: But it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 4: You should just go like this and put them on

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Speaker 1: But the point is all the sports get to see

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Speaker 6: Actually does the opposite, And I get it. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there. Other sports do thrive

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Speaker 1: Last night, Otani just goes to first and he's still

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Speaker 1: same as getting to see more Show Hey at Bats.

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Speaker 1: That's all we're just trying to brainstorm. Is there a

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Speaker 5: You guys gold nip bat, gold nip Bat, gold nipet, do.

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Speaker 2: You actually like like I don't like that role. There's

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Speaker 5: Right, No, But if you wanted to get in a

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Speaker 2: Of times, you know, Yeah, I don't buy that you

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Speaker 5: And blat here comes flat. Oh wait, we're gonna move

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Speaker 6: I don't know, been kind, We got a guy, we

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Speaker 3: Well, never mind the show Hey rule. It's basically tonight

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Speaker 2: A later time.

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Speaker 1: Yep, there you go, all right, Jared, good stuff, dude,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for popping on and waking our guys up.

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Speaker 6: We needed some coffee.

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Speaker 4: Boys.

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Speaker 6: We were continuing the combo.

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Speaker 1: Gied Tandler did a nice job, and he brought up

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Speaker 6: Do you like the show Hao Tiny Rule? The real one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it allows them to play in DH I'm fine

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Speaker 5: and I don't know, We'll see if we can get

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Speaker 6: Guys are trolling me so hard, like I'm not the

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Speaker 4: I was a problem.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like you're not even allowed to bring something

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Speaker 6: Like why can't we just talk through it? It's a

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Speaker 1: Some people I was texting were like, hey, fifteenth inning,

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Speaker 5: Bad It's the only sport where we have one rule

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Speaker 1: No hockey, hockey a shootouts in the regular season, and

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Speaker 1: Fifteenth inning, I'm okay with it. Woh, I got last words?

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Speaker 1: See how the post game step aft is presented by

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Speaker 1: Fox one. That's where you can watch the rest of

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Speaker 1: the World Series. Doesn't matter how long it takes, the

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Speaker 1: Obviously, it's been presented by Fox one the entire postseason.

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Speaker 5: Scot But by the way, thank god for Fox one.

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Speaker 5: So I could watch the game last night because that's

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Speaker 5: And Mark of course was like yeah, forty one and

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Speaker 5: thank you Fox one for keeping me awake. How great

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Speaker 5: this Fox won seven day free trial. That game was

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Speaker 5: so long you use it all up in one day.

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Speaker 6: Kratz was waiting on that one since last night. That's good.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 6: There he is.

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Speaker 2: Thank you