WEBVTT - They Uncovered Roughly 10,000 Human Bone Fragments 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:05.040 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:06.560 and Mild from Aaron Manky. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:08.879 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.080 I know many of you out there are hungry for 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.960 more paranormal content these days. What if I told you 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.639 there is about to be a community just for fans 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.400 of ghosts and hauntings like us. For months, I've been 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.440 working on something incredible and I am so thrilled to 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.640 be releasing it into the wild. I'd like to be 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.879 the first to welcome you to the Paranormal Circle. Imagine 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.320 a place where you can access weekly live chats and 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.839 roundtable discussions about all things supernatural. 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We've also worked with many of these 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.319 events and your favorite paranormal retailers to offer Paranormal Circle 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.640 only discounts. All of this, plus dedicated merchandise and swag 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.800 giveaways amounts to one really cool space for all of 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.479 us to enjoy together. If this sounds right up your 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.319 dark alley, then I'd like to personally invite you to 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.000 be one of the first to join the Paranormal Circle. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.319 If you'd like to join the waiting list to be 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.760 one of the founding members of the Circle, head to 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:51.200 Amybrunie dot com and get on the list asap. We'll 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.120 be opening up membership this spring, and those on the 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.960 waiting list get first access. Again, all of this is 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:02.080 only accessible to Paranormal Circle members, so head to Amy 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.040 Bruney dot com and join the waiting list today. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.440 Hello everyone, Hello, I'm not Amy Bruney. By the way, 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.720 I don't know if you know this because I'm not 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:22.160 drinking wine. That's the only defining factor right there. So Amy, 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.760 being the MC for this entire event, gets to introduce 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.720 all these different great sessions, but this one is her session, 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.440 and so it felt kind of appropriate for me to 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.360 get up here and say a couple of things. So 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.919 I loved this morning's talk from Amanda talking about how 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.800 important it was to understand sort of the history behind 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.200 the stories that we hear, because it's really helpful in 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:44.359 bringing those stories to life. 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:44.600 Right. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.200 I talked about this with a lot of people yesterday 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.960 that when you if you just say there's the ghost 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.919 of a woman who gets seen in this room, always 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.720 walking through, it's spooky, but it's not the full story. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.200 If you are first told, oh, by the way, the 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.720 wife of the guy who built the used to walk 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.120 through here all the time, or she had dinner in 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.400 here all the time, and this is the room that 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.799 she died in. I'm just making this up, by the way. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.880 Then when you hear that there's always a woman seeing 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.799 in period clothing, it starts to come to life. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:11.000 Right. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.919 So that was the conversation that Amy and I were 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.480 having years ago, and we were talking about what kind 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.399 of a show could she have as a podcast? And 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.960 what I felt was this unbalanced history of lots and 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.680 lots of ghost hunting reporting, which is amazing and fine, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.520 but it was like half of the story was going 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.040 into a place and having an experience with nothing in 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.240 history to anchor it to. And I said, you have 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.960 a much more emotional approach to these stories, and you're 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.360 connected to them more deeply. Wouldn't it be great if 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.000 there was a show where the first half of it 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.640 was basically teaching you the history of this location, the 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.400 people that were there, the lives that lived and loved 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.520 and were lost in all of that, and then shift 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.600 over to now, let's talk to somebody who's been there, 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.640 and you start to see the connections in those conversations. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.680 So that's where Haunted Road was born. And so today 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.440 you get the joy of watching one of those live 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.200 Haunted Road shows that people talk about with Amy and Richard. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:09.680 So let's bring Amy on up. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:23.719 Thank you, Aaron, full circle. I love this. Welcome everyone. Now, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.120 just a quick warning. We are recording, so you know 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.880 you're going to be recorded in infamy if you yell 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.520 out anything inappropriate. That's not common on the champagne that's 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.680 sitting in front of me. Thank you, ladies. But I 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.680 do want to give a content warning because today's case 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.279 this is pretty heavy. So I just want to let 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:48.560 you know we're dealing with serial killers, murder, really, really 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.960 awful stuff. So, without further ado, let's get started. In 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.000 the early nineteen nineties, a news story ran on a 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.800 local affiliate in Indiana. A gentleman had brought to light 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.760 something he felt was unjust and unfair, and he wanted 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.760 the world to know. You see, he and his son 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.520 had watched a truck belonging to the Indiana State Highway 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.640 Department striping the side of the road with yellow lines. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.719 To his apparent horror, there was a roadkill on the 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.719 side of the road, a hapless raccoon, and what do 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.440 you know, that truck striped right over it. The man 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.479 happened to have a polaroid camera with him, so he 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.760 took photos of the raccoon that was now apparently one 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:37.479 with the roadway. Then he proceeded to contact the Highway 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:42.200 Department and the local news on camera. During a beautiful 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.360 sunny day, this man stood in front of his property, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:50.040 telling the local reporter that the raccoon deserved better. How 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.799 dare that little fella end up with such a fate? 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.839 In turn, the Highway Department was interviewed, acknowledging their terrible 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:03.240 mistake and saying it was an icelated incident. The irony here, however, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.039 is strong. The man in the interview, his name was 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.279 Herb Baumeister, and behind him on that property at the 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.600 very moment he lamented the fate of that poor raccoon, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.840 where the rotting remains of at least eleven men he 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.000 had killed, dismembered and tried to hide. This is the 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.600 story of fox Hollow Farm. I'm Amy Bruney, and this 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:38.799 is Haunted Road. The main house at fox Hollow Farm 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.279 looks like anything but a farmhouse. The stately Tudor style manner, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.520 with white walls and brown trim, is surrounded on every 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.440 side by trees. Visitors can book tours or rent it 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.360 as a wedding venue for an elegant country affair. Although 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.240 developers are building new houses nearby, the home fields secluded 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.760 thanks to its long driveway and fences. Inside, the wood 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.800 walls and ceilings are warm and inviting. Brightly colored rugs 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:11.320 carry guests past plush furniture. Up the stairs, visitors can 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.720 find the library, stained glass lined study, and master bedroom. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.960 Sunlight streams in through the big windows, which hold a 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.720 view of the woods out back. Thanks to the new 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.360 construction projects, you can see the neighboring houses peeking through 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.000 the trees, but a few decades ago it would have 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.280 been easy to feel like the house was alone in 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.800 a dense forest. The bottom floor has a pool surrounded 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.120 by even more windows. Guests can enjoy a drink from 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.559 the wet bar while admiring the view of the tree 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:46.440 filled backyard. The idyllic Fox Hollow Farm is nestled in Westfield, Indiana, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.840 which is just about a half hour north of Indianapolis. Honestly, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.560 this small city sounds a bit like Paradise. For most 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.080 of its existence, it was a rural farming community, but 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.360 in the nineteen nineties the population exploded thanks to its 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:06.119 great reputation. In a history of Westfield, Indiana, author Tom 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.760 Rumor notes that Westfield was known for its great career opportunities, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:14.840 athletic facilities, and a generally high quality of life. Around 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.440 the same time, nearby Indianapolis was a hub for gay 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.280 culture in the Midwest. Residents and visitors could find safety 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.560 and support in the twelve gay bars that got at 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:29.200 the city, but homophobia was still very common in the 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.840 nineteen nineties, even in gay friendly communities like Indianapolis. So 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.920 when numerous gay men disappeared in rapid succession, the police 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.880 barely paid any attention. Sarah Murrell noted in The Hunter 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.839 of Fox Hollow that at least ten gay men were 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.240 reported missing between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety four. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.360 They all were adults who were thirty five or younger, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.079 were last seen in bars, and had what she called 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:58.800 a clean cut, preppy look. Then, Roger Allan Goodlett and 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.560 Alan Wayne Brossard went missing in the summer of nineteen 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.040 ninety four. Their families weren't content to wait around for 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.000 the police to take the case seriously. They hired a 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.760 private detective, Virgil Vandergriff to dig into the mystery. Later 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.520 that year, Virgil found a major clue that the police 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.959 had missed a survivor with a harrowing story that hinted 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.440 at what might have become of the missing men. The 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.760 witness's name was Mark Goodyear, and he told Virgil he 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.880 went home with a man calling himself Brian Smart after 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.800 meeting him at a bar. According to Vic Reichhardt's reporting 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.520 on WRTV, Mark State took him to a nice home 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.520 in the suburbs that had its own swimming pool. The 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.079 pair sat by the pool, enjoying drinks from the wet bar, 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.679 but Mark was stricken by the strange decor choices. Sarah Murels, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.560 the hunter at Fox Hollow, notes that Mark told the 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.760 PI the house was filled with boxes and the pool 0:09:55.880 --> 0:10:00.200 was surrounded by clothed Mannikins, but this was far from 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.600 the eerious detail from his date. After Mark and Brian 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:09.320 did some drugs, Brian suggested the experiment with erotic asphyxiation. However, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.240 once he wrapped a swimming pool hose around Mark's neck, 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.679 the play grew too rough for Mark. Brian refused to 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.959 let go of the hose until Mark pretended to pass 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.480 out from a lack of oxygen. Later, when Mark opened 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.800 his eyes and acted like he was just waking up, 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.160 he noticed that Brian seemed nervous and uncomfortable. Somehow, he 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.160 convinced Brian to take him back home, which was very lucky. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.240 Mark may not have realized it then, but his partner 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.160 had a history of strangling other dates to death. This 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.440 wasn't Mark's only bout of good luck. A year later, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.400 in nineteen ninety five, he spotted Brian at a bar. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.280 He immediately recognized his old attacker and figured out which 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.640 car he'd driven there, except when detectives ran the license 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.880 plate number, they found the vehicle didn't belong to Brian Smart. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.120 The man had given Mark a fake name. His real 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.240 identity was Herbert Baumer, and he and his wife lived 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.400 in a large suburban house outside of town on an 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.319 acreage known as Fox Hollow Farm. It was a perfect 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.400 match for the residence Mark had described to Virgil Vandergriff. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.520 When police confronted Herbert and asked to search his property, 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.800 he flat out refused to let them in. Once it 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.320 was clear he wouldn't cooperate, the police had tried to 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:26.200 convince Herbert's wife, Julie, to let them search her house instead. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.360 Initially Julie was resistant, but eventually she agreed to cooperate. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.920 This was likely because her marriage to Herbert was crumbling. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:39.720 Their sex life was nonexistent. Courtney Hardwick's article within magazine 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.920 notes that Julie and Herbert had only had sex a 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.360 handful of times in their twenty five years of marriage. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.320 As the pair navigated their split, Herbert moved out of 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.920 the main house but continued living in a small apartment 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.960 over the garage. Julie secured full custody of their three children, 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.200 and took out a restraining order against her husband, perhaps 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.400 because of his history of violent faith of anger. She 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.440 also knew Herbert had mental health struggles, as he'd spent 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.480 more than a month committed to a psychiatric facilities soon 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.839 after their wedding. Throughout their marriage, Herbert had bounced from 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.680 job to job. His erratic tendencies made coworkers uneasy and 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.280 often got him in trouble. According to a J. Wiseman 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.680 writing for crime Beat, at some point he was diagnosed 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.559 with schizophrenia and a personality disorder, but it doesn't seem 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.199 that this led to a viable treatment or any significant 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:34.640 improvement in his behavior. Still, Julie had never imagined Herbert 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.400 would cheat on her with men, let alone kill his 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.920 extramarital partners. Even when their son had found a human 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.520 skull behind their home and Herbert told the bizarre story 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:50.560 to explain its presence, she hadn't suspected anything now, though 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.040 she realized he had ample opportunity to kill, as she 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.720 and the children often took lengthy trips in the summer, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.920 leaving Herbert alone at home, and when she learned of 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.400 all the evidence the homicide detectives had against her husband, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:08.319 Julie was willing to cooperate with her permission. Police searched 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.600 Fox Hollow Farm on June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety six. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.040 They found the setup was exactly like what Mark Goodyear 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.439 had described to the Private Eye. The house was filled 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.880 with boxes, while clothed mannequins stood around the indoor swimming 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.319 pool with a wet bar nearby. And in the yard 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.320 and the woods that surrounded the house, they uncovered roughly 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:34.320 ten thousand human bone fragments. That's not counting the impact 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.160 bones they unearthed as well. Some appear to be burnt. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.760 In WRTV Vick Reichert's report, he says Herbert disposed of 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.040 his victims by immolating their bodies, then smashing their bones 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.520 and scattering all that remained across the farm. He also 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.920 may have incorporated bits of broken bone into the gravel 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.839 he used to landscape the yard. But the horrific scene 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.040 at Fox Hollow Farm it may not have been all 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.240 Herbert's handiwork. Richard Estepp and Robert Graves wrote in the 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.880 Horrors of Fox Hollow Farm, Unraveling the History and Hauntings 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.960 of a serial killer's home, that wild animals may have 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.360 also been to blame in some cases. After he killed 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.240 his victims, Herbert would hide their bodies in an outdoor 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.600 pile of mulch. Then scavengers from the nearby woodlands would 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:27.640 tear apart the decomposing corpses. Investigators found eleven different left thumbbones, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.320 so we know Herbert had at least that many victims 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.600 in his yard. Most estimates put the kill count closer 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.000 to twenty five, though it's hard to be too specific 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.080 as many of the skeleton's police were covered were incomplete. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.480 By nineteen ninety nine, the officials managed to identify eight 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.320 of Herbert's victims, all had gone missing between nineteen ninety 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.080 three and nineteen ninety five. He's also a top suspect 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.760 in numerous other missing person cases and unsolved murders, including 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.760 of nine individuals who were killed before Herbert moved to 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.480 wa ust Field, but people are still finding evidence on 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.080 the property today. A new bone was recently discovered in 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.840 December twenty twenty two, and another victim was confirmed just 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:15.560 this past October. As for Herbert Baumeister, he fled the 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.160 country as soon as he learned about the detective's successful search. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.400 He was never arrested or brought to formal justice, but 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.280 Herbert did not remain free for long. On July third, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.720 nineteen ninety six, a week and a half after the 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:33.440 remains were discovered, he killed himself in Canada. Before his death, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.880 a witness saw Herbert in his car with a box 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.800 of VHS tapes, tapes that have gone missing since his suicide. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.160 It's impossible to say what footage they contained, but police 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.600 believe he filmed some of his murders. It's thought he 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:51.200 destroyed the tapes before taking his own life. When his 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.520 body was found, he laid near an altar made of sand, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.640 which was decorated with dead birds. According to private investigator 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.640 Virgil Vandergriff, Herbert left a suicide note that closed by 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.880 saying I AM going to eat a peanut butter sandwich 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.760 and go to sleep. However, if rumors are to be believed, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.880 he did not rest in peace afterward. It said Herbert 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.480 still haunts the Fox Hollow Farm. His spirit, as well 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.960 as a shadow figure, had been spotted peering out the 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.400 upstairs bathroom window or lurking near the pool pump room, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.840 and many visitors get an uneasy feeling or perceive a 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.800 presence with them in the pool room and the master bedroom. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.640 It's been said that when Herbert lived at Fox Hollow Farm, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.080 he often locked himself out and knocked on the door 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.240 late at night so his wife or children would hear 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.240 and open it for him. Since his death, at least 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.960 one resident, Joe LeBlanc, reported he often heard knocking on 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.680 the door, always at one forty five in the morning, 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:53.000 and always seven knocks in short succession. Joe also describes 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.400 one unnerving incident where he stepped into the kitchen only 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.600 to find all his knives had been pulled out and 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.680 set on the counter. Afterward, he found new cut marks 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.679 on the walls. Another time, Joe felt hands clasped his 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.560 neck while he was swimming in the pool. It's understandable 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.040 that the pool would be a hotbed for spiritual activity. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.879 This is where Herbert attacked Mark Goodyear according to his 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:19.120 testimony to the PI, and police believe Herbert strangled numerous 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:23.080 other victims there too, so it's understandable that their restless 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.119 spirits still remain near its waters. When visitors take a dip, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.720 they may hear someone knocking on the door, but when 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.119 they answer, there's no one there, and a recent homeowner 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.399 was trying to vacuum in the pool room, only for 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.840 the plug to keep yanking out of the outlet, even 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.760 though the cord was loose and she wasn't tugging on it. Additionally, 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.760 a man in a red t shirt has been spotted 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.160 on the farm numerous times. He often walks into the woods, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.480 only visible from the waist up. Joe LeBlanc said on 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.240 one occasion, his dog chased the man in red deeper 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.000 into the forest, only for the figure to vanish then 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.919 reappear in a new location. There are also reports of 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.840 a frightened man running for his life through the apartment. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.320 When Joe LeBlanc looked at a photo of one of 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.439 Herbert's victims, he was stricken by how similar the picture 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:13.760 was to that fleeing spirit. Besides these apparitions, paranormal investigators 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.919 at Fox Hollow Farm pick up EVPs and hear voices, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.080 footsteps and bangs. Electrical equipment tends to die quickly on 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.359 the property, and lights flicker while doors open and close 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.600 on their own. But some of these incidents may have 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.160 nothing to do with Herbert Baumeister and his murders. Many 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.680 guests have described a figure in the woods, darting from 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.840 tree to tree that's believed to be an inhuman spirit. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.159 In their book The Horrors of Fox Hollow Farm, Richard 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.080 Estep and Robert Graves described this entity as blacker than black, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.240 and on multiple occasions psychic said they'd made contact with 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.159 an anonymous figure. This being, whoever or whatever it is, 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.840 reportedly pretends to be the ghost of Herbert Baumeister, but 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.360 according to these mediums, his actual spirit isn't anywhere near 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.199 Fox Hollow Farm. In light of this, it's safe to 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:08.639 say there's far more to this property than meets the eye. Today, 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.119 I just happened to have the perfect guest to speak 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.879 on this case. We are joined by my good friend 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.400 Richard Estep, who has investigated and studied fox Hellow Farm 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.320 for quite some time and actually has a book on 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:29.120 it which I've quoted a couple of times. Mister Estep, welcome, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:41.440 come on down. Hello, Hi, there is this on, Yes 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.119 it is. I'm so excited to have you here. I 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.320 don't normally, sorry, like I don't normally get to have 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.919 someone who's actually written a book on the location on 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:56.119 haunted Roads. I'm very excited. I am horrified that I 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.520 did not really know about this case before people started 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.919 talking about investigating there, Like, why do you I mean, obviously, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.919 I think the obvious is why that happened, But like, 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.280 how do you think that affects the activity there overall? 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.480 How do I think the activity is affected by the 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.080 fact that it's not very well known. It's surprising, right 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.240 because if you log onto Netflix or any of the 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.200 streaming services, you know, it seems so many serial killers 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.000 have their TV series, their many series, their stories are told. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.760 Fox Hollow seems to have flown under the radar for 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:26.280 so long. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.320 It's wild to me. And like I was when so 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.959 you showed me that YouTube video of this gentleman of 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.840 Herbert like on the news, and he has this almost grin, 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.240 like he knows he's doing something, he knows what he's doing, 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.359 Like what do you think was going on in his 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:45.200 head at that moment. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.959 Having interviewed people that knew her about mystet and were 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.200 close to him, gave me some insight into his state 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.600 of mind, and someone who knew him very well said, 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.560 he is absolutely getting his jollies on the fact that 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:58.800 look at my left hand. Here, look at this pay 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.680 attention to this board deadon and slyly enjoying the fact 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.760 that right behind him in those trees that you can 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.359 see just out of camera shop are the remains of 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.160 these poor men that he's murdered. He's the only one 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.119 that knows this, and the rest of us are all 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:13.959 fools for paying attention to the raccoon. 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.000 I mean, it's just it is. If you get a chance, 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.080 people listening, look up that video, because it's absolutely haunting 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.600 knowing what this man did and how he's really playing 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.560 to like this poor raccoon. It's bizarre. But on that note, 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.359 just kind of the activity that happens there. What is 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.399 going on there now? Like I know there's a development 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.760 going in. What are people like, what's happening on that property? 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.080 Well, Foxhlo had after I left and finished the book, 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.440 Foxhollow quietened down. I was really happy to hear that 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.840 because the idea of these poor men, these poor souls. 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.200 I could care less about Herbert Baumeister, but those poor men, 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:55.320 you know, not getting a traditional burial really disturbed me. 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.040 And so the idea that the activity was starting to 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.479 wind down I thought was one of the you know, 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.360 maybe some pieces at last coming to that location. And 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.560 then the land or a portion of the land was 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:12.520 sold for development. So now property development is happening on 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.119 Fox Hollow Farmer. As we all know, that can be 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.400 a catalyst for paranormal activity to ramp up again. 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.280 So what kind of activity are people experiencing there? I 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.119 touched on it a little bit, but just kind of 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.480 can you go into more detail of what happens there 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:26.200 and how often? 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:31.480 Absolutely so, the house sat vacant after Herb Baumeister's family 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:35.520 moved out. The only occupants, ironically were raccoons in the attic. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:39.520 Oh gosh. And so a couple called Rob and Vicki 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.360 brook Graves and their children bought the house. They had 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.200 to be okay with the fact that all those murders 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.760 had happened there, and they were the very rational people. 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.560 Rob is a coroner to give you an idea, and 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.080 Vicky also works in the medical field as a scientist. 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.159 And Vicki was actually the first person to see the 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.439 young man in the red shirt disappear into the woods 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.600 and later identified him from news real footage as one 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.280 of the victims, and the same victim Jola Blank had 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.120 seen in the woods also, so we had corroboration there. 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.160 So that's how things started. Jola Blank, the lodger when 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.520 he moved in, was of the same age as many 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.600 of Baumeister's preferred victims, and so that is a great 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.160 catalyst for the haunting to kick off and to high gear. 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.240