1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: What do presidents know about UFOs? What are they told? 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: If anything? Do the Intel agencies and Pentagon hold back 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: the truth even from their boss? Grant Cameron has probably 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: dug into presidents and UFOs more than anyone on the planet. 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: He became involved in ufology back in nineteen seventy five 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: with a personal sighting of an object which became known 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: as Charlie Redstar. Those sightings occurred in Manitoba. In the 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: past few years, he's turned his research interest to the 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: involvement and actions of the president on the UFO problem. 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: He's made twenty plus trips to the National Archives to 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: dig up information and documents. His latest book, or should 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: I say books plural, Jimmy Carter Paranormal and UFO Tales, 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: just out now. Grant, so glad to have you back 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: on the program. It's been a while, George, thank you. 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: No joke. 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 4: You've done more research into presidents and UFOs than I 19 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: think anyone in the world. And it's a central question, 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 4: what did they know? When did they learn it? Do 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 4: presidents get a UFO briefing? You know, we've heard more 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: in the last few years from presidents and ex presidents 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 4: than I remember ever hearing. I mean Obama, Bush, Trump, Clinton, 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: Missus Clinton who ran for president. They're all interested in 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: the subject. All of them asked questions, I guess when 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: they could. So we'll dive into the question of briefings 27 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 4: in a bit, but let's start with you when you 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: started to focus on presidents and why. 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 3: Well, it goes back to my sightings in nineteen seventy five, 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: where the first one I saw, it was almost like 31 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: they wanted to make sure that there was no question 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 3: as to what I was looking at. So I never 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 3: really went down the path of sightings. I knew exactly 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: what I had seen. Second night, I think flew right 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: at me. But as it was flying away the second night, 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: it came at me and then it made sort of 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: turn and it sort of flew off, and there was 38 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: a bunch of people there and a guy with a 39 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: camera and people yelling and screaming. It was like a pandemonium. 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: And I remember this flying away. I thought, ah could 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: be extra trestraw. I thought like, wow, it's like being 42 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: in the Bible here, and it's like some miracle you 43 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: just saw. And then I'm thinking, like, what's it doing? 44 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: Like why is it in Carmen, Manitoba. There's nothing there? 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking then, So for years it sort of 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: bothered me. And I got all the sightings together of 47 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: this town and half the people in town, over half 48 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: the people in town had seen this thing. Nobody wanted 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: to talk about it, but I eventually would track down 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: people and they would tell me what they'd seen. So 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: I put it together in the manuscript, and the local publisher, 52 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: who should have published it because this was a big story, 53 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: said mister Cameron, you may believe in this kind of stuff, 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 3: count me among the unbelievers. And I was shocked. I 55 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: just couldn't believe that that, you know, they wouldn't run 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: with this big story. I thought, this is the biggest 57 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: story in the world. That would you know, make million 58 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: dollars from this and all this stuff? And it went nowhere. 59 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: And so it was that question, like what are you 60 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: doing in Carmen, Manitoba. And then it was like, Okay, 61 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: I'm just a small guy in Canada and I saw 62 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: this thing, and all I want to know is what 63 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: was that thing I saw? I know, for a fact 64 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: it was. It was like just out of this world. 65 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: But the thing was somebody's got to know. So then 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: I started this proceed So there was a synchronicity event. 67 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: My father was a pilot for the Canaane government and 68 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: somebody in his office wanted to talk to me at 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: a UFO siting was a radar tech and he said, 70 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, if you really want to know what's going 71 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: on with the UFOs, you should see what the Canadan 72 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: government was doing back in the nineteen fifties. And I 73 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: said really, He said yeah, I worked for the program 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: And I go, you work for the programmer like that? 75 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: I'man fifteen hundred miles away from the capitol and I go, 76 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: you worked for the program and said yeah. And he 77 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: started telling me the story of Wilbert Brockhouse Smith, who 78 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: ran the Canadian government UFO program, and he said he 79 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: was the most brilliant engineer of hi met but he's 80 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: totally crazy. He was talking to aliens and they were 81 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: landing in the backyard and I go, what are you 82 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: talking about it? And that's the pursuit started. So I 83 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: went after the Canadian government. What did the Canadian government know? 84 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: And there was a lot of very interesting stuff. I 85 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: picked and I wrote a book on the Canadan government thing. 86 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: But we ended up trying to figure out where the 87 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: Canadians got the information, because there's the famous top secret memo, 88 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: which is one of the only top secret memos ever 89 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: written about UFOs, where Wilbert Smith says, I to the 90 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: Americans and I wanted to see if there was some smoke. 91 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: There was a fire. There was smoke, and I was 92 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: told by American officials number one flying saucers exist. It's 93 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: the most highly classized subject in the United States. There's a 94 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: small group headed back doctor van var Bush, and it's 95 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: a tremendous significance to the Americans. And then this famous 96 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 3: line that I've used in the last couple of years. 97 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: We're also told by American officials that other things might 98 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: be associated with the flying sauces, such as mental phenomenon. 99 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: So the pursuit was then I'd gotten mostly what Wilbur had, 100 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: I'd recovered his files. I talked to his wife. She 101 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: told me all these stories and his son and where 102 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: the files were and all that sort of stuff. And 103 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: then I'm thinking, well, who told Wilbur this thing about 104 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: the flying saucers. Exist. It's the most highly classified subject. 105 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: And that turned out to be a guy by the 106 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: name of doctor Robert Starbacher. And this is in the Canade. 107 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: There's some documents where the Canadians are talking in the 108 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: Canadian Embassy in Washington and they this Robert Starbacher comes 109 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: into the Canayan embassy and interview. Who's Wilbert Smith and 110 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: that's he's the guy gave most of that material and 111 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 3: so we went after him. And then he said, well, 112 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: I really wasn't involved. I was busy. I was working 113 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: on the radar for the Russians and you know, in 114 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: ther in Canada to pick up Russian missiles and stuff 115 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: like that. The guy you should talk to her He 116 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: was a guy in Pennsylvania and that turned out to 117 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: be doctor Eric Walker, who was former president of penn 118 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: State University, chairman of the board of the Institute for 119 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: Defense Analysis military think tank. And I was with a 120 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: bunch of researchers and I was sort of instructing them, 121 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: and they were giving them names and his number and stuff, 122 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: and people are trying to get this guy to talk 123 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 3: and he was basically talking, and he was basically talking 124 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: in rhymes and riddles about you know, it's been forty years. 125 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: We haven't blow from the world. Leave it alone and 126 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: you know, go do something else, and he had. I 127 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: was trying to find his files, so I went to 128 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: Penn State. I looked at all his files and there 129 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: was nothing there, and he had he had died in 130 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: I think ninety four. And I found out that his 131 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: files when he was a Pentagon and he was the 132 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: assistant to the head of weapon research for the Pentagon, 133 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: and there was this one year period that he was there, 134 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: and he talked that he was going to give the 135 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: stuff to the Truman Library. So I went to the 136 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: Truman Library, not even thinking about presidents or anything. I 137 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: just wanted to get Walker's files and hope that this 138 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: material because he basically said he was confronted. We understand 139 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: from doctor Starbucker that you attended a set of briefings 140 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 3: at right Patterson Air Force Base in nineteen fifty and 141 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: he said, yeah, I was there, So what And I 142 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: went and the guy that was interviewing, SOI, what do 143 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: you mean? So right, it was the most important subject. 144 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: And this is how this discussion started. That he confirmed 145 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: that he had been at these briefings. So we thought 146 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: that the briefing material might be in these records that 147 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: he left with the Truman Library. So I went to 148 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 3: the Truman Library in Independence, Missouri, and I asked for them, 149 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: and there was a couple of files on Walker and 150 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: there was really nothing important or whatever. And then I thought, hey, well, 151 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: you know, the president is the most important guy in 152 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: the world. He's a powerful guy. He's got to know 153 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: what's going on. And that's my my question, Like, somebody's 154 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: got to know what's going on here. So that's when 155 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: I asked the Truman Library. I said, well, what you 156 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: got on UFOs And they said, well, they talked about 157 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: the overflight nineteen fifty two where the shootdown order was given, 158 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: and there's a week between the first sightings and second sightings, 159 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: and all these telegrams started to come in to the 160 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: White House and they had all these telegrams. So I 161 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: was looking through all these telegrams and people were saying, please, 162 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: mister President, don't shoot them down, leave them alone, all 163 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: this sort of stuff. And then I said, well what 164 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: else they got, and they go, well, that's it, that's 165 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: all we got to call it. That's all you got. 166 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: I mean, this is the most you figured it's the 167 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 3: most important subject, like why would the president not have anything? 168 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: So then I figured, well, the Eisenhoewer Library is just 169 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: down the road. It's maybe two hours down the road 170 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: in Kansas. I'll go to the Eisenhower Library and I'll 171 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: find out what they're doing. And they had five documents 172 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: and one was the famous Top Secret or the CIA 173 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: Robertson Panel report, which had been doone on a Truman 174 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: but it appeared in the it was right at the 175 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: end of administration, sort of end up in the Eisenhour Library. 176 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: So that's when I said to the archives, because there 177 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: you have to you know, everyone's got a suit on 178 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: and it's all very formal, and they you got to 179 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: do a review and be interviewed before you can research there. 180 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: And I said, you know, you've got five documents and 181 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: one was a telegram from one of the contactes and stuff. 182 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: And then I said, how many pages as he documents 183 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: you got and he said twenty eight million pages. Anyway, 184 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: you got five on UFO. And that's when I've got 185 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: something's wrong here like is. And then I determined to 186 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: go to all of the presidents and find out what 187 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: the presidents had known and basically it would be a 188 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: very you know, slow day because you take four days 189 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: to go to the Eisnar Library, And within about two 190 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: and a half hours I was finished all the UFO documents. 191 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 3: And then for the rest of the week, I was 192 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: just sitting there reading oral histories from different people and 193 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: and you know, trying to find something to interest myself 194 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: because there's really no documents. And that's when sort of 195 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: puzzled me, like why are there no documents in the 196 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: the the libraries. And I guess it all comes summed 197 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: up by there's an oral history interview that was done 198 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: by General Landry, who was Air advisor to Truman. It 199 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: was in the Truman Library, and he talks about the 200 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: briefing that when he came in in nineteen forty eight, 201 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 3: he had been told by Truman, I want you to 202 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: brief me on UFO was every three months, I want 203 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: you to go to the CIA, get all the material 204 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: and brief me. So we figured there was about fifteen 205 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: or sixteen briefings that was given to the president, but 206 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 3: they were all done orally, so in nineteen forty eight 207 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: they already knew don't put it on paper. It was 208 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: all done early and That's what I believe is if 209 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 3: this subject is handled by the president, is not handled 210 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: on paper, and it's I guess what Bill Clinton would 211 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: call this is story. Whitley Strieber tells that he said 212 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: he talked to Rockefeller, Lawrence Rockefeller, who had gone to 213 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: the Clintons, and he got the Clintons at his ranch 214 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: in Wyoming, and Bill didn't come down for the briefing, 215 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: and so just Hillary was there. And so then they're 216 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: going for a walk and that's when Bill Clinton says 217 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: to Rockefeller, said, the UFO issue, it's, you know, the 218 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: story of the Arkansas atar baby and Rockefellers. So yeah, 219 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: he said, this is the Arkansas tar baby. You don't 220 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: touch it. He said, you touch it, you're going to 221 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: get stuck to it. And this is the story about 222 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: the Arkansas tar baby where the catch bar rabbit. He 223 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: sees this tar baby and the tar baby doesn't talk back. 224 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: It's sitting on the side of the road, set up 225 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: by the fox. And he gets mad and he punches 226 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: the tar baby and he gets stuck with his hand, 227 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: and then he puts the other hand and gets stuck, 228 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: and then his feeter gets stuck. And that's what Clinton says, 229 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 3: this is the subject the president cannot touch. This is 230 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: a tar baby story, and you don't touch it. So 231 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. So when I went 232 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: after the Carter material, I basically my end conclusion was 233 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: that he had made this promise to the National Choir. 234 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: There was a scrum of reporters in nineteen seventy six 235 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: when he was running and he was asked by the 236 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 3: National Choir, you know you saw UFO, and would you 237 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: release the UFO files. And that's when he made this 238 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: famous claim that if I get in, I will release 239 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: all the UFO files to the people, except for unless 240 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: it has to do with military secrecy. And that was 241 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: the big catch. So he made this promise, and then 242 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: when he got in, he didn't say anything. He never 243 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: used the word UFO, the same as Gerald Ford before 244 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: he was running for when he was running for president, 245 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 3: he was saying, or when he was a congressman, he said, 246 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: not only do I want this thing opened up, I 247 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: want to get the military people put the mind our 248 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: oath and forced them to testify to tell us what's 249 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: going on. And when he got the White House, he 250 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: never used the word UFO either, Like Jimmy Carter used 251 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: it before and after president, but he never used the 252 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: word when he was in there. And what I came 253 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: to conclusion was he made this promise and he did 254 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff, but it was all done without 255 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: his fingerprints. So he had other people doing things for him. 256 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: He had, for example, Jody Powell. Jody Powell was the 257 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: guy that forced the documents out of the FBI. He 258 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: said the FBI was under big pressure. And then you know, 259 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: McCabe wrote the book. I think it was fifteen hundred 260 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: pages released under Jimmy Carter, and he had the CIA. 261 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 3: There was a story that ciad fourteen thousand pages. There 262 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: was an FOIA. It was big at the time. Fois 263 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter talked about open government and the Sunshine Law 264 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: and all this kind of stuff and getting openness, and 265 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: there was there was a strumored story. There was a 266 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 3: girl that was working on behalf of the White House, 267 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: a lawyer at the CIA, and they were hiding the 268 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: documents and there was supposed to fourteen thousand and that 269 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: turn was only one thousand, and she was crying because 270 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: they were they were playing these games and she got 271 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: so frustrated with what was going on. 272 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 273 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot 274 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: com for more