1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's camera. This budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: to do nothing. Space forts. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Politics colliding Sound on with Kevin's related the insiders, the influencers, 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: the insides. I would rather see a congressional solution. It's 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: part of my DNA. The Senate map in looks a 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: lot different than it looked in. You really have a 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: divide within Team Trump. The President has to do exactly 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: what people send him here to do, which is to 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: get it done. He's sound on with Kevin's. He related 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg one and one seven f M h D 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: two Bolton Steve Bannon is back. He is urging President 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: Trump to go all the way against China when the 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: US China trade talks. Plus former Vice President Joe Biden. 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: He's in a back and forth with President Trump, this 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: time for North Korea leader Kim Jong June. He says 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: the President Trump's siding with the North Korean leader is 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: beneath the dignity of the office. All of the latest 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: on the US China trade talks on a beautiful day 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. Plus, We've got you ready 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: for this Christine Pelosi. Christine Pelosi, she is California Democratic 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Party Women's Caucus Chair, a d n C Executive Committee member, 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: and oh yeah, her mom, Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: She's gonna call in and give us the lay of 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: the land on the Democratic Party. Matti Doupler's in the House. 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Senior fellow at the National Taxpayers Union, former Coalitions director 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: for the House Republican Conference, and one of the big 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: big bosses. Alex Wayne Bloomberg News White House Editor, He's 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: going to stop in as well. I gotta say, fifty 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars if you win the National Spelling b that 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: goes on at the at the Gaylord that just got underway. 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Fifty thousand dollars. What does a kid do with fifty 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars? Alex Wayne, he is the Bloomberg News White 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: House editor. He's here with us. What would your what 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: would your son do if you won fifty grand winning 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: the spelling be alex Uh, Well, he's only five, so 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: he probably buy like every pop patrol toy and legos. 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Mattie Zuppler's here. She's senior fellow at the National Taxpayers 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: Union and former Coalitions director for the House Republican Conference dollars. 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: I would be that parent where we go right into 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: a five and my kid would never see a time 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: of it, but then buy candy. But then they can 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: maybe afford to go to college and we wouldn't have 44 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: to fake it for them. Okay, the time came, Well, 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: here's a pivot. President Trump was in Japan over the weekend. 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: Did you see this? You went to a sumo wrestling match, right, 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: I mean that was kind of remarkable. It's what were 48 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: your big takeaways from President Trump's trip to Japan with 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo. You know, it was a it 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: was a trip that was really low on on substance. Uh, 51 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't do much of policy interest or 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: or even like strategic for national interest. But there was 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: there was smart analysis done on the sort of the 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: tone of the trip. The Times had a good story 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: today about how Trump was focused on tweeting about domestic 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: politics the whole time he was over there. Um, you know, 57 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: we we have noted that. On trade, Uh, Trump and 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Abbe seemed to be talking about two different things. Trump 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: said something about a trade deal being done by August. 60 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: Nobody in Japan seems to know what he's talking about. 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: You know, if if if Trump, if if the Trump 62 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: administration in the Japanese are talking about a trade deal, 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: I don't think Bloombergers don't even reporting on it, which 64 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: would be very weird. And Okay, I mean, and I 65 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: hate to say this, Maddie, I mean to Alex's point, 66 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I was over the weekend. You know, you're 67 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: trying to track every twist and turn of the trade developments. 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: But truthfully, the big standout was the sumo wrestling match. 69 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: Did you see the picture of this tall trophy, Like 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: the trophy is taller than keV and it's like he's 71 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: he's holding this trophy, President Trump with this giant sumo wrestler. 72 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it was. It was. It was. To Alex's point, 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it got a lot of laughs, but not 74 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: much substance on I think Alex's observation was a good one, 75 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: because I do kind of think this was also one 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: of the first of maybe the only international trip from 77 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: the president where there wasn't the specter of some big 78 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: deal or some big deal political event hanging over it, 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: because of course the administration had removed that a little 80 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: bit by saying we're not going to do anything on 81 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: auto tariffs for the next six months or so. I mean, 82 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: if if Trump had gone to Japan and that still 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: had been a question mark in the air, we certainly 84 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: think would have had a little bit more palace intrigue, 85 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more pushback probably from reporters about the 86 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: relationship between Abbe and Trump. Um with that kind of 87 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: being in a stalemate, there wasn't a whole lot to 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: talk about. The President certainly didn't seem inclined to give 89 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: any any indication that he was having a conversation with 90 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: Abby to move that ball forward. And he was also 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: asked not just about the US Japanese trade front or 92 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: the U S European trade front. The Europeans don't want 93 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 1: auto tariffs anymore then the Japanese do. But he also 94 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: commented and weighed in on the US China trade front. 95 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: Here's President Trump speaking about the US China UH negotiations 96 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: and how they're going. Here's the president. They would like 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: to make a deal, We're not ready to make a deal, 98 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: and we're taking in tens of billions of dollars of tariffs. 99 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Alex I was struck by this over the last ten 100 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: days or so, hearing, I don't want to an evolution 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: in how the White House is characterizing this. By saying 102 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: that they might be able to trickle down trickle down economics, 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: trickle down tariff economics back into some of the farmers 104 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: based upon what everyone's been reporting, I'm not sure the 105 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: farmers necessarily by that. Whenever he says we're taking in 106 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: ten billion billions of dollars worth of tariffs, I always 107 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: mentally append the words from American citizens to the end 108 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: of that sentence. Um, he's raising taxes on on Americans. 109 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: He's raising prices that Americans pay for for goods, uh, 110 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: in order to pursue this, uh, this trade war with China. UM. 111 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: Now if he, if he is able to um somehow 112 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: give some of that money back to farmers in a 113 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: way that doesn't completely wreck agriculture markets, UM, he might 114 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: very well politically benefit UM. But but it's uh, you know, 115 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: it's uh. It's been pointed out by a lot of 116 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: people that he that he really is not accurately portraying 117 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: the effect of tarrifs. And I'll disagree with Kevin's assessment 118 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: that this is a pivot. This is a long held 119 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: belief by the President that this is how tariffs work. 120 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: Not acknowledging he's a tariff man, we know that he 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: believes that it is hard. He believes that this is 122 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: a tax that China is paying that then is going 123 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: directly into US treasury coffers that he's then able to 124 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: redistribute to the masses who are harmed by that economic policy. Now, 125 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: of course, I think that this worked maybe with the 126 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: first trunch of tariffs at beginning last year. Secondly, the 127 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: now that we're going in his next sixteen billion dollar 128 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: trunch for farmers. The problem is that the tariff net 129 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: continues to get wider and wider, and so the the 130 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: impact of it becomes more acute on different industries. Manufacturers, 131 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: of course, are ones who could find more pain in 132 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: this second round of tariffs versus the first shround. And 133 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: that means that these constituencies, of course, have seen the 134 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: President give tax dollars to farmers as a bailout. They'll 135 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: be wanting to know if there's one that's coming for them. 136 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: So you know what I love about congressional recess weeks 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: in the summer. It's very quiet here and watching it. 138 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: But there's always someone who sticks around, and today it 139 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: was Senator Kevin Kramer, the other keV up on Capitol Hill. 140 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Kramer, he's a Senator from North Dakota, Republican. He's 141 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: stuck around, which means every reporter gets to talk to 142 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: him because US hill rats and clogging the halls of Congress. 143 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: You need that quote for the story or to talk 144 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: to someone. He doesn't like tariffs. I mean, so there's 145 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: another example of a Republican does in the president's party 146 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: other than the president? You know, it's a good question, 147 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: and not just the president's party, right, we have how 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: many of us being encounters in green eye? A green 149 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: eye shade wearers have said that this fall squarely on 150 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: American consumers and businesses, and it's not just the cost 151 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: of the tariffs that they are trying to undertake that 152 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: they have to undertake. It's the cost of the disruption 153 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: and supply chains. It's the planning for the next six 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: months or year or however long this US China trade 155 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: tension is going to last. All of that disrupts American 156 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: commerce and it affects the people who are living here 157 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: in buying products. And don't forget about U s m 158 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: c A. Don't forget about that tension last week with 159 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: the Democrats, the bad reality TV show we watch between 160 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi, no offense, Christine Pelosi, who's going to be 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: calling in the daughter Speaker Pelosi and a d n 162 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: C Executive committee member. But that back and forth last 163 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: week President Trump. By the way, did you hear this? 164 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: President Trump says he's still willing to work with Democrats 165 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: on U s m c A. Here's the president in Tokyo, Japan. 166 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he said on U s 167 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: m c A. I think that we will work with them. 168 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: We have a U s m c A. We have 169 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: a deal with Canada and Mexico that everybody wants. I 170 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: think it's all done, and I think they probably want 171 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: to be doing that. I wonder what Speaker Pelosi has 172 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: to say about that coming up Sumosa. Really that's me. 173 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: I'll stay a panel, stays alex Wayne. He is the 174 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News White House editor, as well as Maddie Douppler, 175 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: senior fellow at the National Taxpayers Union, who says that 176 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: she would invest the fifty thousands. I'm gonna I'm gonna 177 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: hold this against you dollars if you win the National 178 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Spelling Me you would you would have your child invest that. 179 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: That's fascinating, that's good parenting can actually pay for college. 180 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: But I'm Kevin Surreally, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television 181 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg Radio. You know what I did for the 182 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: first time today? I rode a scooter. I finally took 183 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: the plunge and I got the apps and now I 184 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: am riding scooters zooming all around town. Mattie Duppler is 185 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: here with us in studio. She is a senior Fellow 186 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: at the National Taxpayers Union and former Coalitions director for 187 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: the House Republican Conference. Maney, have you ever written I've 188 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: written them twice and I will not uh say what 189 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: brand I was on when I got one where the 190 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: breaks didn't work, and that was the last time I 191 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: was on scooter. I I support them as an endeavor 192 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: for other folks. Well, it's like a scavenger hunt trying 193 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: to find where they are, and which I think is 194 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: great because you know, like I live in a part 195 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: of d C where there's not a ton of transit, 196 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: and so I love having scoot is there. I think 197 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Um, but I am now just old enough 198 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: where I'm very acutely aware of my immortality, and the 199 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: scooters seem to bring that to the forefront of my 200 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: mind a little more than I'm comfortable with. Yeah, well, 201 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: we'll see how long this last. But when I come 202 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: into the cast on my leg, we'll know what happened. 203 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: All right. So we're talking politics and uh policy. I 204 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: was struck by this back and forth between Biden and 205 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: Trump over the weekend. President Donald Trump agrees with North 206 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Korean leader Kim Jong un for the insult of the 207 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: former Vice president, and then Biden's now calling this beneath 208 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: the dignity of the office. To be on foreign soil, 209 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: the Vice President says on Memorial Day, and to side 210 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: repeatedly with a murderous dictator against a fellow American and 211 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: former vice president speaks for itself. That's according to Kate Benningfield, 212 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: Biden's deputy campaign manager, saying that in a statement, did 213 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: you did you see this though? Because? Uh? Because President 214 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: Trump at a news conference said that Kim made a 215 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: statement that O. Biden is a low i Q individual. 216 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: He probably is based on his record. I think I 217 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: agree with him on that wow, And so I agree 218 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: with Biden's sentiment here, which is that generally politics, you know, 219 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: domestic politics ends at the shoreline, and when you go abroad, partically, 220 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: when you're the commander in chief, you try to leave 221 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: us up behind you. But Biden himself has been on 222 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: an international stage accosting the current administration, so you can 223 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: you can see exactly where this was going at the 224 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: get go. But I do think actually a more interesting 225 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: part of the story, of course, is the fact that 226 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: President Trump continues to bring up Joe Biden, whether he's 227 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: here or he's in another country. It's clear that he 228 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: sees Joe Biden as his number one adversary come this 229 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: next election cycle. And there's discrepancies from his from the administration, 230 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: from excuse me, from campaign officials saying, you know, let 231 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: the Democrats run their own nomination process. Don't get involved. 232 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: It will be a blood of your battle if you 233 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: don't put your thumb on the scale. The President, of course, 234 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: can't seem to help himself tweeting about Biden, talking about Biden. 235 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that he believes um that he's doing 236 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: any harm by elevating bidens. Remember, the President has learned 237 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: how to play the politicist game in a way that 238 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: no other UH Orthodox politician has. Right, He's been able 239 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: to make the presidential campaign a spectacle. And there's a 240 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: reason that he thinks Joe Biden is weak. And one 241 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: of them is that because Joe Biden is a career politician, 242 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: He's not a guy who's going to command a ten 243 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: thousand person audience in some of these states where where 244 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: Trump is very, very popular. So he thinks that is 245 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: a moment of weakness. That's why he wants to keep elevating. Right, 246 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: Christine Barader, our executive producer, tells us that we've got 247 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: this sot, this sound bite ready of precisely what the 248 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: President had to say about Joe Biden while on foreign 249 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: soil uh In in uh Tokyo. Here here's President on 250 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: former Vice President Biden. Take a listen. Kim John Lunn 251 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: made a statement that Joe Biden is a low i 252 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: Q individual. He probably is based on his record. I 253 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: think I agree with him on that. I mean, it 254 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: is it is quite remarkable that. I mean, you can't, Maddie, 255 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what would you do, like if you were 256 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: in the House Republican conference and you were advising members 257 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: on how to respond to this. I mean, what would 258 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: you say, What would you say to do? I think 259 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: that it always behooves you as a politician, but generally 260 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: as an American to just try to take the higher road. 261 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: I think that Biden's campaign, of course, waited to respond 262 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: to this until after Memorial Day, saying that that was 263 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: a a weekend that we should use to honor the 264 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: the But does anybody care? I know I'm not trying 265 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: to interrupt, but like, at this point in two thousand 266 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: and nineteen, does anybody care anymore? What Kevin? I would 267 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: say that no one cares. But I think that our 268 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: leaders still have a responsibility to raise the specter and 269 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: raise the dialogue above the normal expectation. I mean, like, 270 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: it's tough. I get if you are running a Democratic 271 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: or Republican campaign right now, Man, is it tough? Because 272 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: I get it that it's really easy to get that 273 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: sound bite by saying the most inflammatory thing. But I 274 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: do think there is also this call for leadership in 275 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: public discourse which will not go away. Kevin, to your point, 276 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: the question is whether or not at pays in politics. 277 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: That remains to be seen. Alright, So In one breath 278 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: he's criticizing Kiden, and the next breath at this press conference, 279 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: he is he's hopeful that North Korea leader Kim jongon 280 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: will de nuclearize. Take a listen to what President Trump 281 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: said on uh saying that that Kim jongon is a 282 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: smart man. President Trump in Tokyo saying that North Korea 283 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: leader Kim jongon is a smart man nicholism. I think 284 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: that he is looking to develop that way. He knows 285 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: that with nuclear that's never gonna happen, only bad can happen. 286 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: He understands that he is a very smart man. He 287 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: gets it. Well. That's just what I find Maddie Doubler 288 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: so incredibly illustrative of this current political climate is that 289 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: the president has no problem whether it's Republicans or Democrats 290 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: going back and forth the ping pong ping pong, ping pong, 291 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: political ping pong back and forth on a political front 292 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: of the reality show element of domestic politics. But then 293 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to negotiating on the global stage, I 294 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: gotta be candid here. I think he would much rather 295 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: deal with global leaders because then or at least engage 296 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: with global leaders because he views them in a way 297 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: as his as his um equals to some extent, and 298 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: then the rest of his politics. I think it's a 299 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: lot of that, this kind of notion of a leader 300 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: to a leader, they're they're equals in some sense. But 301 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I also think it's because President Trump really thrives in 302 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: disruption and politicians have gotten creative, particularly if you're looking 303 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty field where twenty how many three, four, five, 304 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: twenty five now running from the that's a lot of 305 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: chaotic created creation, I guess in the terms of democratic scale. 306 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: But when it comes to monoemano negotiations, President Trump definitely 307 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: feels like he has the upper hand because he is 308 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: the disruptor. So he feels like when he's walking into 309 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: these discussions with global leaders who have been doing things 310 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: the same way for years and years and years and 311 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: in some senses decades, he really feels like he has 312 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: the leverage at that point because he had any point 313 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: it can disrupt, uh, And he thinks that that really 314 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: is his leverage in those conversations. Fascinating and Kevin CURRELLI, 315 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio and 316 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: joining me in studio is Maddie Duppler. She is the 317 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: Senior Fellow at the National Taxpayers Union and former Coalitions 318 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: director for the House Republicans Conference. We are talking all 319 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: things politics and policy, and before the before the break, 320 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: we were talking about the president's press conference with regards 321 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: to We talked about everything from Joe Biden to um 322 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: To to North Korea leader Kim Jong. He also spoke 323 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: about Iran UH and the deteriorating situation going on UH 324 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: with Iran. And there's been a lot of questions Maddie 325 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: about Iran. I want to play for you what President 326 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: Trump had to say about Iran. Here's the President on Iran. 327 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm not looking that to hurt Rand at all. I'm 328 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: looking to have a Rand say no nuclear weapons. We 329 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: have enough problems in this world right now with nuclear weapons. 330 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: No nuclear weapons for rent, and I think we'll make 331 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: a deal so very quickly. Uh uh. You know, the 332 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: presidents facing a lot of pressure, Maddie on the situation 333 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: in Iran. Yeah, and particularly from Republicans themselves where they 334 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: think a harder line on Iran is important. The President 335 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: seemed to take a little bit of a softer step 336 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: there on this world stage, which is always another interesting 337 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: component of President Trump when you have in front of 338 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: an international press corps. Uh. He Again, we talked earlier 339 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: about how he always seems to think he has an 340 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: upper hand when he's negotiating Mono Imano with these world leaders, 341 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: because he has to be disruptive. Then he makes news 342 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: on something that is not necessarily related to the environment 343 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: that he's in. Uh. And folks back home we're asking, well, 344 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: is this a new policy, is this a new doctrine? 345 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: Are we going to get a Trump doctrine? At some point? 346 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: I think that question is still out, particularly for people 347 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: who are typically more in line with him and foreign policy. 348 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: Matt stick around because joining us now on the phone 349 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: line is Christine Pelosi. She is a California Democratic Party 350 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: Women's Caucus chair, She is a d NC Executive Committee member, 351 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: and her mom just happens to be Speaker of the House. 352 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi and Christine, we are thrilled that you are 353 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: joining us. I want to talk to you about the 354 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: future of the Democratic Party. I mean I covered this 355 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: at the White House last week. Christine, the back and forth, 356 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: the back and forth between your mom and President Trump 357 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: over the I word. What did you make of all that, Well, 358 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: it's actually the I word for infrastructure, in that it 359 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: doesn't appear that the Republicans have given the president the 360 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: money that he wants to make an infrastructure deal. So 361 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: having knocked on his homework, UM and not having a 362 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: specific answer to the thirty five page plan the Democrats 363 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: had brought to him on infrastructure, something he said he 364 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: wanted to do since two days after the election in November. UH. 365 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: He then went out and with their pre printed signs 366 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: and the pre printed podium plaque. UM, seems to be 367 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: pretty but not about the Muller report. It seemed from 368 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: what he was talking about that what had him upset 369 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: was actually the Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, because that seemed 370 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: to be the evidence he was UM referring to in 371 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: his UH presentation to the press about not doing cover 372 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: ups before he took no questions and flounced away. So 373 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, as you're watching this and as 374 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: you're consuming the news just like the rest of us, 375 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: and you're watching your mom s with President Trump, I mean, 376 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: how do you how do you take it? I mean, 377 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: when when when she's going back and forth, and I 378 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: think her line last week was that she was praying 379 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: for President Trump. What did you make of the political 380 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: strategy that Speaker Pelosi is is exhibiting. Well, first of all, 381 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: she does pray. She race for all of us weekly daily, 382 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: She's quite devout, so she actually does uh, she actually 383 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: does do that and always doesn't obviously for the country 384 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: because what we're seeing is a time when we really 385 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: need people to get some control over the situation over 386 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: there in the White House. And you know, from covering 387 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: the White House, every president, Republican or Democrat, would wish 388 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: the Congress would just go away and the Court would 389 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: go away unless they're going to validate them. So that's 390 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: sort of that's sort of there's a sort of baseline 391 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: there of the president wanting to be the unitary executive 392 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: and wanting to have uh, no oversight or or checks 393 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: and balances. But he's taken it to a different place. 394 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: And that's I think really where a lot of people 395 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: are saying it. Wait a second, um, the judges are 396 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: telling you you can't do whatever you want. Congress has 397 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: a constitutional right to investigate you. So you can't say 398 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: that you're not going to do your job unless Congress 399 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: stops doing there. That's not how this works. I was 400 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: struck by this Facebook video that was manipulated, that was 401 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: put forth from from the White House about your about 402 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi uh and a Facebook executive. Did you see this? 403 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: A Facebook executive telling CNN that the company wouldn't remove 404 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: a manipulated video of your mom, stating that there's no 405 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: policy that says content on the social networking website must 406 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: be accurate. You know, Facebook headquartered in California, your state. 407 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: You are a California Democratic Party Women's Caucus chair. What 408 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: do you make of how these big tech companies are 409 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: responding to incidents like this? Well, I think they're responding 410 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: very unevenly, which is why you need to have universal standards. 411 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been saying this for months, long before 412 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: ung before this particular ridiculous nous um. You know, we 413 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: we we've known for years the concern that people have 414 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: had about Facebook. You the the with a lot of 415 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: these big tech companies. We're giving them our data, so 416 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: it's not technically free. Our entrance, see is our data. 417 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: Then they're taking it and they're utilizing it to sell 418 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: us ads or sell us content, or taking our data 419 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: and selling it to other people. The question is specifically 420 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: as to Facebook Visa via the Cambridge Analytica and the 421 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: campaign when they were embedded within the Trump Tense campaign, 422 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: did they h get information data from users, scrape it, 423 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: um and UM organize it in such a way that 424 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: it allowed the campaign to leverage specific messaging at particular 425 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: types of voters. And then they do all that without 426 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: telling anybody. I mean, if you're going to tell people 427 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: this is what we're doing with your information on the 428 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: front side of the contract, not the backside, you know, 429 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: not in those terms of service that hardly anybody except 430 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: geeky lawyers like me actually lead, then that, you know, 431 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: then they're one thing. But they didn't do that. So 432 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, and in terms of where 433 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: how it affects the public, A lot of people like 434 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: to use Facebook, and there are a lot of low 435 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: income people. There are a lot of UM organizers. Look 436 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: at the red Ford Public Education UM movement is started 437 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: among teachers and their and their sympathizers that started in 438 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: Facebook groups. So they're they're enormous forces for good that 439 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: social media can channel, but they need to be treated 440 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: like utilities. They need to be regulated. Even Chris Hughes, 441 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: the founder of Facebook. Co founder of Facebook three weeks 442 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: ago wrote a piece about breaking up Facebook, and the 443 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: speaker herself last month, in an interview with Kara Swisher 444 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: of Recode, talked about the section to thirty of the 445 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: Communications and Decency Act and said, you know, that's what 446 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: gives um these utilities a certain degree of immunity. Maybe 447 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: that needs to be to be considered. So I think 448 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: people need to take hold of their social media graph 449 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: and they also need to just say to these companies, look, 450 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. YouTube took that down because it was 451 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: obviously a fake into parity. It was a weaponized political attack, 452 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: and certainly, um, you know, when it comes to weaponizing 453 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: of social media, if they could do it for you, 454 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: they can do it to you. So they may be 455 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: doing it for a Republican last week, President Trump, but 456 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: they could do it to a Republican next week. And 457 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: that's why everybody should care. Yeah. Yeah, I took a 458 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: spinning class with Kara Swisher the other week. And let 459 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: me tell you something, if you ever want to talk 460 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: tech with someone care, it's it's fascinating to hear her perspective. 461 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: Art Christine Pelosi. She is a Democratic political strategist. She 462 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: is also a California Democratic Party Women's Caucus Chair d 463 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: NC Executive Committee member. Nancy Pelosi happens to be speaker, 464 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: I apologize speaker. Nancy Pelosi happens to be her mom 465 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: and graduated Georgetown University of California, Hastings College of Law. 466 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: All Right, the future the future of the Democratic Party, 467 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: Christine Pelosi. Should it go more to the left, Should 468 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: it go more to the middle, more like AOC, or 469 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: more towards the middle. I mean, what's the It's the 470 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: future of the Democratic Party. The future the Democratic Party 471 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: is here. It's not about a going left or right. 472 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: It's about going deep. It's about being authentic with people. 473 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: That's really what people care about. Since two thousand and five, 474 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: I've been on the road. I've written two books called 475 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: Campaign boot Camp. Campaign Bootcamp. We train people to run 476 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: for office and how to organize when they're in office, 477 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: and how to organize nonprofits and and and issue campaigns 478 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: and all the time. You have to be clear about 479 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: your message, believe in who you are, but also define 480 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: your work and standard of excellence in a unique way 481 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: and then live by it. So there are a lot 482 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: of people for example, who will say, well, I would 483 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: never vote for so and so because I've never vote 484 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: for a Republican, or I'd never vote for a Democrat. 485 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: But they think, you know what, on this one issue, 486 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: I like them so much, I'm gonna break my own rule. Um, 487 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: we see more and more independence, especially young people who 488 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: are moving away from labels. They vote Democratic, but they 489 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: don't register that way. So I think the future is female. 490 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: It's browner, it's more diverse, it's more inclusive, and it 491 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: is very skeptical of any um forced conformity, words like 492 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: uh you know, words like a party labeled it. People 493 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: I think are thinking, I want to make these decisions 494 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: for myself. But also if you look at the people 495 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: who are really um attracting a lot of support and 496 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: public life, are the people who who have a position 497 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: and they hold it. So who's the present and future 498 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. Well, it's people like Nancy Pelosi 499 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: that said we're gonna listen to the people, We're gonna 500 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: stand up for protecting our health care. And you know what, ironically, 501 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: we we won the House past health care loss the 502 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: House and made pop health care are so popular that 503 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: that's how does win the House back once people realize 504 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: that they were going to lose it. I think it's 505 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: happening with abortion rights and birth control. Well, I'm glad 506 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: I want to That's what I had one more question 507 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: for you, And I know you've been so generous with 508 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: your time. Christine Pelosi, California Democratic Party Women's Caucus Chair 509 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: d n C Exact Committee member and her mom is 510 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: speaker Nancy Pelosi, also the author of the books Campaign 511 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: boot Camp. But you know, I was struck by this 512 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: because I've been in Washington now for seven plus years 513 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: as a political reporter and I remember uh covering your 514 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: mom when she gave a speech at Brookings and she 515 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: talked about her Catholicism and her sat Augustinian Catholicism faith, 516 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: and it was something that I hadn't heard from from 517 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: a senior Democratic member, especially at that time when it 518 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: was so much of the back and forth political nature. 519 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: So when your mom said last week that she was 520 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: praying for President Trump, it was my years perked up 521 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: because it was something that I thought we don't free 522 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: quently here right now, at least many of the Democrats 523 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: talking about their faith. And I'm curious, you know, I 524 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: was home in Philly over the weekend, where I grew 525 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: up just outside and I'm curious as as the nation 526 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: has this debate on cable news about abortion rights, how 527 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: how might democratic leaders communicate like your mom communicate in 528 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: a way that that that also takes into account her 529 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: faith um and and showing that compassion, that that Catholicism 530 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: is rooted in compassion for these incredibly difficult, uh conversations 531 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: that have to be had. Well, I think the first 532 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: thing Gainaba said initially the future of the party is 533 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: to go deep, be authentic, be yourself. Whatever your faith 534 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: or value system is, whether it's you, you worship for you, 535 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: or you ascribe to a certain set of morals and 536 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: ethics that guide you. It's really important for people to 537 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: know what your moral touchstones are. I call it you're 538 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: called to service. How is that informed by faith? Is 539 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: it by family? Is it by community? Is it by 540 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: a certain lived experience? But it's really important to talk 541 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: about it because we want to understand your character and 542 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: who you are, and what what makes you tick, and 543 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: what you think about when we're not in the room, 544 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: and how you think about us when we're not asking 545 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: you questions. You know, do you have us in your 546 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: mind and in your heart. So I think that's one 547 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: what's really interesting to me and I, as you mentioned, 548 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: I share the women's Caucus of the California Democratic Party. 549 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: It's right in our by laws that we elect pro 550 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: choice candidate. But here's the thing. I have people who 551 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: write to me before every convention, and that includes this 552 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: one coming up this Saturday, where they know that our 553 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: theme is choice, but they also they identify um, they 554 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: identify UM as being uh. They call themselves pro life now. 555 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: But but here's the difference. They say, in my face, 556 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: I am against abortion, but I don't think it's the 557 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: government role to do that. And that is why I 558 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: pay my dues to your caucus to to elect pro 559 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: choice candidates. So I think that when you talk about 560 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: a choice, there's a strong difference between saying we respect 561 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: your faith and all the work that comes out of 562 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: faith based organizing on the one hand, and on the 563 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: other hand, saying your faith as an individual form with 564 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: the government allows somebody to do so. You know, as 565 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: as as we read in the Bible, you render under 566 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: Caesar what is Caesar's and under God what is God? 567 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: But it is Caesar's choice and not God's um when 568 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: it comes to what laws determined inn and can do 569 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: with their danity. All right, Christine Pelosi, we very much 570 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: appreciate your time, your first time calling into the program. 571 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time for coming on. Bloomberg, California Democratic Party 572 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: Women's Caucus Chair, d n C Executive Committee member and 573 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: her mom is Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, and 574 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: she is the author of the books and Paigne boot Camp. 575 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for for calling in. Hope everybody had a 576 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: great three day weekend. We're making our way into the 577 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: new week. It's a beautiful, beautiful day here in Washington, 578 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: d C. Of course, our thoughts, prayers, and gratitude, gratitude, 579 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: gratitude to all of these servicemen and women serving in 580 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: the nation's armed forces and their families and their families 581 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: and friends for the sacrifices that their families and friends 582 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: make for their service. Earlier, we had Speaker of the 583 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: House's daughter, Nancy Pelosi's daughter, Christine Pelosi, who's a Democratic strategist, 584 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: top Democratic strategist calling and Mattie Duppler is a senior 585 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: fellow at the National Taxpayers Union and former coalition director 586 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: for the House Republicans conference, and you were listening, and 587 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: what did you make of of what Christine Pelosi had 588 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: to say. I mean, the Pelosi family is a bunch 589 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: of savvy politicians. I do not end be anyone who 590 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: has to go up against that, but it is. It 591 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: was so interesting to me to hear Christine talk about authenticity, 592 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: particularly in the wake of President Trump, for whom many 593 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: voters felt was their first kind of authentic choice for president, 594 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: the person who said what they thought everyone was thinking. 595 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: But all these politicians were all buttoned up. Are always 596 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: too afraid to say that's what people really like about 597 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: President Trump. Now. I do think though, that Democrats are 598 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: going to have a challenge here because they have such 599 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: a wide field. You have to stand for something, and 600 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: it can't just be yourself. It has to be a 601 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: vision for the United States. Telling Americans where we are 602 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: going and where you're going to take them is crucial 603 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: for any change in leadership at the federal level. This 604 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: is part of where Trump was able to really really 605 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: get to victory was that we had members of Congress 606 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: health Republicans who worked on an agenda that showed the 607 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: American people listen. You put a Republican in power. Here's 608 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: what you can expect. I was, we're a political policy show. Um. 609 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: But I truthfully find it interesting what she had to 610 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: say about faith and how Democrats can talk about their faith, 611 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: because I think people's faith is incredibly personal and speaker Pelosi, 612 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and people might be in their cars rulling 613 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: their at this, but she is a Kennedy Catholic, and 614 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: it's someone like former Vice President Biden. If you you 615 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: know his his faith is he says is incredibly important 616 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: to him. Um, and no party should have a monopoly 617 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: on on faith. How do you especially given the backdrop 618 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: of the contentious the way cable news is acting as 619 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: a political referee on these issues is pathetic. But how 620 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: do you think, um the I probably went too far 621 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: with that comment, But how do you think she responded 622 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: to to talking about how Democrats might be able to 623 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 1: talk about their pat I just think that it's tough. 624 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: I think it's tough to be in public life and 625 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: talk about religion period, because we now live in a 626 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: society where there are so many people who are alienated 627 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: from religion itself. We don't have people, you know, we're 628 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: becoming like Europe. We're like people are religious, they don't 629 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: go to church at all, right, I mean, like we 630 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: don't really have these sensitive community and church used to 631 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: be that. Um. I do think that also the abortion 632 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: issue is a cleavage point that is not easily overcome 633 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: by either Democrats or Republicans. And for Democrats at that 634 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: point that you just made about Joe Biden and Nancy 635 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: Polos who say that they are practicing Catholics, but they 636 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: are I don't mean to be glib about that they are, 637 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: but they abortion. Their abortion position stands and start contrast 638 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: to what the church says. Whereas Republicans then on the 639 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: other side of things, who especially those who are Catholic, 640 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: don't feel that they can take in a position that 641 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: is more accommodative on the policy side, because of course 642 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: the Church is so distinct on this position. So now 643 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: the message the people, the people on the pulpit. Sometimes 644 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: the people in the pews are guiding the people on 645 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: the pulpit, as it should be. I'm Kevin's really cheap 646 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. Thanks for listening. 647 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, Maddie, you're listening to Bloomberg