WEBVTT - Forbidden Door Was Amazing! 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.640 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:15.440 Ready are you ready? Let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.560 Brian Alvarez here on or Wrestling over Live. We are 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.720 here every day Monday through Friday Neo Cevy three Eastern Sunday, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.880 three Pacific, sixth Eastern. Well, it is a Monday here 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.440 on this program. You know that means last night was 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:34.080 a w New Japan Forbidden Door. What do you think about? That? Show? 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.680 Turned out to me exactly as I was told the 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.280 day of the show was announced. A lot of people 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.640 upset didn't get dream matches. My god, what an awesome show. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.600 It ended up being in the ring, one great match 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.159 after another. There was nothing on the show that you 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.680 could even remotely call a bad match. There were certainly 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.840 matches better than others, but holy smokes, what a show. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.440 Talk about that. Here on the program today, we've got 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.760 all of the matches. I've got updates on John Moxley 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.480 and Adam Cole, one of whom was injured and one 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.399 of whom was not. So that's part of the update 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.399 right there. We have also got an update on Vince 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:20.160 McMahon long form New York Magazine article written by the 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.679 author of the upcoming Vince McMahon unauthorized biography. In a 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.920 long form interview, a former w w E wrestler corroborated 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:32.400 female referee Rita Chatterton's sexual assault accusations against Vince McMahon. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.200 We'll tell you about that here today on the show. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:41.280 We have also got Raw tonight, the twenty year anniversary 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.240 of John Cena and w w E, which is funny 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.320 because man time flies. At the same time, it's only 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:53.040 been twenty years, Jimminy Christmas feels like it's been well, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.680 I guess it has been decades now, hasn't it. We've 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.840 also got SmackDown, We've got Rampage a w is on 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.760 Wednesday with Blood and Guts. N x T is tomorrow 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.360 and we will take your feedback as well. 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Well, last night 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.359 was a w Forbidden Door and I want to start 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.040 with an update, although we don't really have much of 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.639 an update on Adam Cole if he didn't see the 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.880 show last night. Adam Cole suffered was believed to be 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.120 a concussion during his match for the i w U 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.440 g P World Heavyweight title. It was j White, Hangman 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.080 Ocada and Adam Cole and I don't know the move. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.600 I don't know when I was given the impression. It 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.080 was actually somewhat early in the match, and then he 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.560 worked the entire rest of the match with a concussion 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.480 and uh, for whatever reason, it wasn't until the very 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.280 end of the match that he was in there with Okada. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.800 Okada went for the Rainmaker. Cole is supposed to duck, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:47.960 which he did, but then he just stayed down and Uh, Adam, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.200 I'm sorry. J White chimped in the ring, tossed Ocatta 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:55.200 out of the ring, rolled over Cole, held him down 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.680 and uh and pinned him. And then afterwards they had 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.800 the doctor hit the ring to check on Adam Cole, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.160 and uh, he did leave under his own power. I 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.360 was told that, you know, when they got him backstage 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.720 to examine him, he was feeling all right, was what 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.320 I was told, but he was clearly there was an injury. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.320 And this is you know, he's been working with a 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.240 shoulder injury if you watched the show, I mean his 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:26.280 shoulders all taped up, and he had had another injury 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.920 in the Samoa Joe match, which I believe was also 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.680 a concussion. So he had to two concussions in the 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.599 span of a month, and he needs time off to 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.840 get better. And hopefully he gets a lot of time 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:44.440 off to get better, because you know that's two matches 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.240 where not only did he suffer concussion, but he still 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.200 managed to work an excellent match with a concussion. So 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.159 a healthy Adam Cole is what we need. And uh, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.039 it's never good to suffer two head injuries in the 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.680 span of one month, so wishing all the best to 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.880 him and hopefully gets checked out and everything is all right, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.200 and that's the update on him. There was also a 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:15.920 main event with John Moxley in Hiroshitanahashi and John Moxley's 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.360 doing the match and he rolls outside and all of 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.159 a sudden he comes back to the ring and he 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:28.760 is gushing blood and uh, I immediately because it's John Moxley, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.840 just thought, well he uh he bladed why, I don't 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.440 know it's all he had hit with a pipe or 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.680 anything like that. He just came up and he's he's 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.760 bleeding everywhere. So I'm doing the show with the vinny 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.599 and uh and I think it was a vinny, or 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.680 maybe it was the announcers and Vinny, but you know, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.520 everyone starts talking about how I think they clonked heads 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:53.880 on the on the sling blade and it was it 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.920 was hard way, and I never thought that it would 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.880 be hard way because I don't know if John Moxley 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:05.320 actually travels town to town with blades, but I do 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.520 know that this brother's got a lot of blades. And uh, 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.880 I think in the the Filthy Tom Lawler Fred Rosser match, 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.520 I think that they got the actual blade for that 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.279 match from John Moxley, so he may actually have like 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.880 a doctor's kit full of blades. But anyway, so once 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:26.640 everybody was asking about it, I I sent a message 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.039 asking if it was a uh, if it was hard Way, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.159 and I did not mention the word blade. I I 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:40.520 simply asked hard Way and the answer was yes. So 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:45.640 it's possible that the person that I sent this message 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.840 to was confused and when they read it, they thought 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.480 I was asking if it was a blade job and 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.880 they said yes. But I was told that it was 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.760 it was hard Way. But at the end of the day, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.000 that aspect doesn't matter. It was a Moxley match, Edie's 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.000 bleeding everywhere. Now what does matter is uh. Then during 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.400 the Observer radio show, Dave mentioned that during the post 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.640 show press conference, and I don't know if this was 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.960 during the press conference or if it was like you know, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.960 jibber jabber after the press conference, because those things happened, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.440 but he mentioned that Moxley had stated that he might 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.600 have a concussion, and what I was told was that 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.600 Moxley does not have a concussion. And if you've ever 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.440 watched a like a Moxley interview and Actually, I think 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.200 that he did this exact same interview after the Filthy 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.080 Tom match at to five. Whenever he has a bloody match, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.160 he goes, uh, you know, I may have blood loss. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.040 I might be concussed. Uh, it's part of his his 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.280 in character stick. So anyway, he does not have a concussion. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.800 So John Moxley is fine. He may or may not 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.000 have bladed, but he did bleed everywhere, and he did 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:56.040 beat Hiroshi Tanahashi to win the a W Interim Championship, 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:00.280 and so at some point he will face uh, he 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.000 will face see him Punk. When see him Punk is 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.880 ready to return from his quote lower leg injury. But 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.000 we got a lot to talk about on this show. 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.920 I guess we'll start with just the main event. Mike, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.760 what did you think, as you are represented here by 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:20.760 g Raff, of the main event of this program, I thought, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.920 other than the finish of the four way when he 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.000 came to the title matches, you know, the obvious wonkiness 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.120 there for the reasons that you explained, I thought that 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.280 was a really great match, and you know, I was 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.640 thinking about it when I was watching that. When he 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.840 comes to Hangman page, there's probably some people and in fact, 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:42.839 I know there are on the outside of a w 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.800 that look at him and go, I don't I don't 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.800 see what they see. The booking is this, The booking 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.840 is that. But you know what, he's kind of like, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.320 He's gonna end up being like a w sting because 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.719 no matter what, he's going to rise to the occasion 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.240 and no matter what you've said about the build into 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.160 that match, and a lot of people had a lot 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:08.679 of opinions, especially on that one, he's great and he's 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.640 going to be such a future star for them, and 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.319 he for all of the talk going into that match 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.520 and how wonky it was, he really rose above and 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.600 I thought that was great, and I thought j White 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.640 was great with that in that match too, with Tanahashi 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.360 and Moxley. Tanahashi is just the greatest. You know, I've 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.760 been a long time fan of his. I've been able 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.920 to watch him for a long time. And he's an 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.120 older guy who has taken a beating and you could 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.920 see sometimes where he is moving a little bit mechanically, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.160 but hey, he can still turn it on and he's 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.040 still one of the best in the world when he does. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.400 And a perfect dance partner with with John Moxley in 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.640 the aspect of we've seen Tanahashi against everybody. We've seen 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.160 him in the pure garbage match against Kento, which was 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.760 a reference during the match. We've seen him in all 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.760 sorts of these different such wations. But with John Moxley, 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.960 who you can slow it down a little bit. For Tanahashi, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.000 you don't have to worry about Nato or a bushy 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.200 matches where he feels like he's got to keep up. 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.600 It's a little bit slower with Moxley. And with Moxley 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.840 it brings him up a little bit because sometimes with 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.040 the punching kick and he's got a certain style of 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.760 match and you know there's gonna be plunder at some point, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.080 he's probably gonna bleed, which he did, but it brings 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.440 him up a level two to work with Hanahashi. And 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.760 I thought it was a great cap or on what 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.800 was a great A pretty great night. Now it's is 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.800 Was it one of the all time great shows? I'll 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.120 leave that for other people to discuss. I don't really 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.560 think it was, but I don't really care. You know, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.600 this was for me a step one of these two 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.680 companies working together for the first time. I understand that 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.119 there were politics involved. I understand that there were injuries, 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.960 and I tried to block out as much as the 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.600 of the banter and stuff on social media last week 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.440 because there was so much that at the end of 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.320 the day, it was just like, you know, when everything's 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.760 gonna be said on come Sunday night, Monday morning, people 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.160 are going to be satisfied with what they saw. And 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.720 for the most part, from what I've seen, and again 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.280 maybe my timeline is a little bit too clean or 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.520 a lot cleaner than other people's, everybody seems to be 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.400 in agreement that it was a really good show. The 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:22.200 surprises some expected like Cesarro, it deliberate as expected. Some 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.560 surprises like Shabbata coming out there, I mean, with his 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.960 music hitting the entire place, going ballistic. Incredible moments happened. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.640 So we can we can nitpick it to death. We 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.280 can talk about some of the things pick this show. 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.400 What are you talking about? If you're gonna nitpick this show, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.640 get off the chat today and go away, you nerds. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.800 This was an all timer. You know, it's funny about 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.120 this being an All timers people. People are gonna talk 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.800 about this for a year the way they talk about 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.320 that first All in. It's just this, this classic show, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.520 top to bottom. There was not anything resembling a bad 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.360 match on this show. Like the closest you could come 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.880 to to say that there was like a bad match 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.360 in the show was like the thunder rosa Tony Storm match, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.760 and that was not a bad match. So the point 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.720 of this is there's so much talent in a w 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.280 and there's so much talent in New Japan that for 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.000 one year people are gonna talk about this is being 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.400 an all time great show. But then next year there's 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.720 this door too, and then all of a sudden, that's 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.640 gonna be even better than this one. He'll question me, Mike, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:27.200 you'll find out this show today. No, it's not. Thank god, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:42.400 there's a break. Go fix your camera, Observer Live. I 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.920 got the show. Bran Albert is here Wrestling Observer Live. Yes, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.520 we got Mike's video back just in time for me 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.920 to go over the entire show. And I'll let him 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.080 say a word for a second. This great show, this 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:04.320 forbidden door of greatness. We had Chris Jericho, Minor Suzuki, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.000 Sammy Cavara beating Eddie Kingston Wheeler. You didn't showed a 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:12.080 Umino eighteen minutes fifty seven seconds, great great opening match. 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.440 They had a lot of star making performances on this show, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.400 and the one in this match was old Show Domino. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.199 God darned, this guy just was out of this world 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.880 and the place went crazy for this guy, and Jericho 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.960 sold like crazy for him before finally hitting him with 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.280 the uh whatever they call it the back elbow and 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.520 pinning him in the middle of the ring to uh 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.719 get a big win to set up the Blood and 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.520 Guts show which is coming up on Wednesday and uh. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.959 Then later in the show, they were interviewing show Amino 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.520 and Jericho showed up and burned him with a fireball 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.280 because he's a wizard. So one of these days, one 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.520 of these days show Domino's beating Chris Jericho. I don't 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.840 think it's gonna be for a while, but that day 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.160 is gonna come. And this was a great opener. Then 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:11.040 we had another great match FTR beat United Empire and 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:16.200 Rapungi Vice. They did an angle where Dax Harwood. They 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.680 they there's no secret that this show was pretty much cursed, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:21.880 and so they decided to do a spot where someone 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.440 got injured on the show, and unfortunately, uh, someone actually 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.000 got injured on the show later, which totally sucked, but 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.760 this was at least a worked injury. Dax went down, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.120 sold his shoulder, walked to the back, and then later 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.160 he comes back out with his shoulder taped up. It's 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.640 only about like three or four minutes, so it wasn't like, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.120 you know, he missed the entire match and then won 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.920 the titles. So he comes back, the place goes crazy 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.000 because he's back. He makes his giant come back. They 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.640 go back and forth, and finally at the end they 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.280 hit the Big Shatter Machine on Rocky Romero, the former 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.120 Shatter Machine now the Big Rig and they win the titles. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:14:59.840 There now the i w d g P Ring of 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.960 Honor and Triple A Tag Team Champions, which one would 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.040 think sets up a match with the Young Bucks to 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:09.080 unify all four titles. So we'll see if that happens. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.680 Uh maybe that they could hold that off until uh 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.800 till all out. But this was a great match. Fans 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:20.440 went nuts. This was good stuff. Pac won the four Way. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.320 How did you guys see that that show I did 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.040 with Denise where he did predictions? Yeah, who predicted Pac? Oh? 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.920 That would be me. I predicted him and he won 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.920 beat Malachi Black, Mirro and Clark Connors. Clark Connors was 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.240 the guy that got the star making performance here, and 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.880 they set it up great because the first half of 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.960 this match they treated this guy like, oh, he's the 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.320 fourth wheel in this match. We got the three big stars. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.960 It was supposed to be a sheet, but he got hurt. Oh, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.280 Clark's gonna get in the match, the guy that lost 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.040 in the qualifying match, and man, they just beat him 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.520 down and they beat him down and he'd try and 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.760 do something on Miro and Miro which is no sell 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.120 at look at him and then beat him down. But 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.200 then Miro goes for a spear and he goes through 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.920 this table and Clark gets to ring and this dude 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.360 made the greatest comeback, and these fans are losing their minds, 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.320 are channing, let's go Clark and he would get cut 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.200 off and they started booing like Malachi Black or whoever 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.520 because they wanted to see more Clark. And then finally, uh, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.600 we get the return of Mero. He puts the game 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:29.080 over on Pac. Uh broken up. Uh, there's the black 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.560 mist right in the face, which I guess because it's 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.720 a four way is not at e Q and then 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.720 finally pockets the Black Arrow immediately into the Brutalizer, he 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:42.800 submits Clark Honnors and Pock is the first ever a 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:48.880 w All Atlantic Mid Pacific Champion. And this was another 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.520 great match. Then we had Sting, Darby and Shingo versus 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.800 the Young Bucks and l Phantasmo. Everybody in this match 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.520 decided we're gonna make Sting into a super star because 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.640 you know, like Stings not a superstar. So he's the 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.639 young talent that got elevated in this match. Dude, they 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.520 did everything. He's no selling this and dad, he's beaten. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.919 Dudes up. He was awesome in this match. And you 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.080 mentioned like Hiroshi Tanaha, she's gonna be the new japan 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.440 version of Sting. There's a big difference at this point, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.920 and I don't know how. I don't know how. What 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.080 about Hangman Page, I said Hangman Page was going to 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.240 be a W's version where no matter what the outside thinks, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.359 no matter how he is booked, the fans are going 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.280 to take Hayman Page and go he's ours. He was 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.560 here from day one and he always lives up to 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.480 when he should in the ring, and Sting was go ahead, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.480 Sting was what was always always that way for w 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.840 CW fans. I see, well, I'm looking at it a 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.119 different way. I'm looking at this stings the old They 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.240 can go until he's sixty. Oh Man, dom Dom, you 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.480 better get on this guy. You texted me, Um, you 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.040 weren't even at the studio on Friday and you had 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.600 to bury me over text message. Now look at this 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.200 guy here, we finally get his video and now he's 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.120 gonna got a violation here. You should be ashamed of yourself, Mike, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:18.719 I'm disgusted. But anyway, young young hero Sting the biggest 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.960 superstar in this match, and uh, he was just awesome. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.000 And then finally at the end, Shingo had made in 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.240 Japan on Fantasmo got the pin. I thought this match 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.800 was great, and we're not even going to Mike's opinion 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.280 at this point. He's censored. Then we had thunder Rosa 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.640 Tony Storm tail of two matches. First five minutes technical wrestling, grappling. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.760 It was awesome. Second second five minutes. It was all right. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:43.560 I didn't think it was great, but it was all right. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.320 It wasn't bad, I'll tell you that much. Tony did 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.720 the uh, the most brutal finisher at all of a 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.119 w which somehow isn't a finisher. The flying hip attack 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.199 to the face of thunder Rosa and then hit her 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:59.399 with the thunder Rose hit the final reckoning. Dustin's finish 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.920 got the p and I thought, this, uh, it was good. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.159 It was not a great match. When this is the 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.840 weakest match on the show. You had a great show, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.560 you know what I'm saying, everybody, all of you that 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.720 are allowed to speak. And we had will Osprey versus 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:17.720 Orange Cassidy. Oh man, what a match. It started out. 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.480 It started out just fine, like the first five seven minutes. 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.600 I was like, that's all right, the sure ain't no 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.360 will Osprey Nick Wayne match. But then the second half 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.000 of this match, they turned it up and they just 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.399 they had a banger, as they called it. They had 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.480 a banger, and uh, will Osprey end up getting to 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.639 win as everybody would expect. But this was actually very 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.440 much like the Nick Wayne match in the sense that 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.800 nobody believed that Nick Wayne was gonna beat will Osprey, 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:50.160 and nobody believed that Orange Cassidy was gonna beat will Osprey. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.119 But they had a couple of near near falls there 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.160 at the end where the fans forgot that they knew 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.640 the guy couldn't win and they went nuts for him. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:02.880 But very good match. Then afterwards we had a big 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.000 schmaz and who should come down to make the save? 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:14.120 But of all people, not Kenny Omega but Shabbada Shabata's 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.760 music hit. The place goes crazy. He comes down, he 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.120 beats up Assie open, he uh, he lays out will 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.159 a spray and then Orange Cassidy awards him with the 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.560 aviators and a great moment. I don't think it's actually 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.840 leading to anything after Shabata, you know, did what he 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.719 did at the Tokyo Dome. But man, the fans here 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:41.240 in this building, they loved it. Claudio Cassannoli and Zach 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:45.920 Saber Jr. When eighteen minutes it was a very very 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.520 good match. I did not think it was an excellent match, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.680 but I thought it was very good. Cloudio did a 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.439 superior job selling, like to the point where people are 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.800 asking after if he's injured, but he wasn't. He's just great. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.679 And Zach Saber Jr. Didn't do is as many counters 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.320 as he does in your your typical Zach Saber junior 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.959 nuch pan style match. This would have been like, uh, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.480 when Zack Saber Jr. Was in n x T for 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.560 the was that tournament that he was in? What was 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.159 the tournament he was in with n x T. You 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.600 can speak for a second. Just watch your language. The 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.320 the Cruise roy Title, the Cruise the Weight Classic Classic, 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.479 Cruise the Way Classic. This would have been like one 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.760 of those matches where he's in there. It's a very 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.680 good match, but it's like a uh, you know, it's 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.280 a cloud EO w w E style match and it 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.320 was great, like it would have been the best match 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.119 on most w w E pay per views. But in 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.119 the end, Uh, Claudio did hit the uppercut, he hit 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.960 the arm trap, power bomb, he got the win heading 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.679 into blood and guts. It was his debut. It doesn't 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.680 take anything away from the Bryan Danielson dream match was 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.720 Zach Saber Jr. The right man went over and it 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.760 was a very good match. Uh. The j White Hangman 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.560 Adam cole Olcada match. We talked about this. It was 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.680 a really really good match until the finish. It was sad. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.280 You know, I don't know what else to say about it, 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.520 but you know, it started slow. All of these guys 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:08.919 would have had a better singles match, but they did 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.240 some great four away spots there at the end until 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.520 the wheels fell off the wagon and uh and J 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.840 White retained. That led to Moxley Tanahashi made event, which 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.919 we talked about, and Uh, I didn't think Moxley slowed 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.440 it down at all for Tona Hashi. I actually thought 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.440 the opposite. I thought he went in there and it 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:31.160 was like, we're gonna drag a twenty Tonahashi match out 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.400 of you. You're you're putting words in my mouth there. 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:35.760 I didn't say that anybody was going to be dragged 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.200 down or anything, not to say dragged down. You said 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.639 he went slower for him, did you not? Well, I 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.040