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Speaker 2: It's the podcast that it is on election day, but

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Speaker 2: you won't hear this on election day. You know how

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Speaker 2: the election has gone? You listening have information in December? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that we can gamble on it. That's That's what

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Speaker 2: I'd like you to do. Anyway, speaking of gambling, you

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Speaker 2: know who knows all of the words to the classic

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Speaker 2: song The Gambler. Our guest today, Molly Conger. Molly, do

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Speaker 2: you know when to hold him? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I know when to fold him. That's as much of

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Speaker 3: that song as I know.

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Speaker 4: D well done.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think I only know that from

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Speaker 3: Info Wars.

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Speaker 2: I do love watching Alex Jones sing that and the Highwayman,

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Speaker 2: Poncho and Lefty.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're just grooving. It's things are going well

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Speaker 2: That's the most jealous I ever am of him. Because

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Speaker 2: we're not allowed to use we have no licensing agreement

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Speaker 2: with any company that owns songs. Yeah, he must, otherwise

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't be allowed to air them like that. I

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Speaker 2: think there because there are like there are like like

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Speaker 2: I think that exists. I think that's got to be

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that Alex Jones has a deal

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Speaker 4: with them. He could totally be grifting, because yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: I think he'd have been sued before then about this.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're so chiper today, Robert Yep, I'm I'm chipper.

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Speaker 4: How many did you get, Bud?

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Speaker 2: I had like six last night. I tried to get

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Speaker 2: it's behind the bastards and we're all trying not to

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Speaker 2: all might be hoping that history goes a different way

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Speaker 2: depending on what happens today, So why not read a

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Speaker 2: work of alternate history? Uh? You know, we love doing

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Speaker 2: Killjoy was over at my house recently, not bragging, although

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Speaker 3: You know some celebrities.

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Speaker 2: I know some celebrities. I know a famous kill Joy

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Speaker 2: because our fans are unhinged and have just decided sometimes

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty five by Newt Gingridge.

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Speaker 3: Mollie, Wow, what if things had been different?

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Speaker 2: What if things had been different? Do you know much

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what if let Hitler paint. Let Ben Shapiro make

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Speaker 2: We have to Truman show these people, right, run a fake.

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Speaker 2: of course, Sophie, what else could it be? What else

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Speaker 2: a post in the subreddit now saying that I'm an

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sophie. But you called me an old man

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Speaker 4: You are used to them. To me, you are anxious.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. They haven't even seen Alien four. These scrubs,

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I think we're the same age.

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Speaker 2: We might be, but mentally. Newton Leroy Gingrich was born

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Speaker 3: Well, we all know Nuts a family man.

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Speaker 2: We all know Nuts of family man. We all know

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Speaker 2: Like Richard Nixon's just too nice.

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Speaker 3: And politics really needs is more vitriol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, needs more real assholes. I think that's interesting because

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Speaker 2: And the basics of that case is well, because Republicans

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Speaker 2: making sure that no other Republican would ever have to

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Speaker 3: Areddie Hitler, you would have loved Pizza Hut.

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Speaker 2: That does tell you where our boy Newt is. Unlike

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot in recent weeks about the Holocaust,

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Speaker 2: about the incredible period in which Nazi Germany killed millions

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Speaker 2: talking frankly about the McIntyre affair in which Democrats refused

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Speaker 2: to not allow the people of Indiana to have their representative,

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Speaker 2: but instead to impose upon them someone else, something in

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Speaker 2: Martin Eemuhler. I have never quite until tonight, been able

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Speaker 2: I think, sorry, I think it's Ni Muler, But this like,

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Speaker 2: a recount, we're not going to sit this guy because

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Speaker 2: there's questions about the election and fucking nude is like,

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Speaker 2: this is the same as the holocausts?

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Speaker 3: So at what point did millions of people die? Did

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Speaker 2: Did they murder everybody? It just kind of seems like

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, fascinating odds to give your own maya. Now, Newt

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Speaker 2: i'll spoil it for you, Molly. This book centers around

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Speaker 2: So I want to get into the book jacket of this,

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Speaker 3: Shit, twenty nine to ninety nine for that hardback today

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is like maybe like a fifteen dollars book. Man,

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Speaker 2: at a very bad time. The year is nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 2: In Europe, the Third Reich reigns triumphant, the Soviet Union

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Speaker 3: Should he be focusing on like the government?

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Speaker 2: real historian. I'm going to put that. I'm gonna put

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Speaker 2: that on the cusp. But fucking Newt Gingrid certainly is

437
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: not a real historian. Forstin's main publisher was Bain, who

438
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: back in the early to mid nineteen nineties was a

439
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: major purveyor of of pulp sci fi and alternate history books.

440
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: That changed as a result of nineteen forty five, which,

441
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Speaker 2: due to Gingrich's star power, was expected to be a

442
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: major hit. You can tell that just just by the

443
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: look of this cover, right, Nut's name is massive. They're

444
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: charging twenty four fucking dollars for this thing, and yeah,

445
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: it's a catastrophe, Molly. It's one of the greatest disasters

446
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: in fucking alt history publishing. If you read online forums

447
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: where alt history fans discuss this book, the rumors, credible

448
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 2: ones are that Newt promised Baine he was going to

449
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: devote a lot of time using his platform. Newt is

450
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: a famous pr house, right, He's constantly talking to the

451
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: Washington Post. He's willing to say like shitty stuff about

452
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: himself to them, as we've kind of covered earlier, because

453
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: his attitude is I should always be in the Post. Right.

454
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: So Bain is like, well, old Newt, he knows how

455
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: to get all the attention. We need to move some

456
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: real copies. Let's buy like a hundred thousand copies of

457
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: this fucking.

458
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Speaker 5: Book sells a thousand cos I know it's so funny

459
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: and yeah, Newton fails to do the actual pr that

460
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 5: he had promised to do, and as a result, nineteen

461
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 5: forty five is one of the biggest flops in publishing history.

462
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: According to The Washington Post, for every hundred copies of

463
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: this book that were sent out by Bain, eighty one

464
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: were returned unsold, leaving the publisher with almost one hundred

465
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Speaker 2: thousand copies sitting around their warehouse. The scuttle butt is

466
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: that this was such a flop it nearly killed Bain entirely. Well,

467
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: I was doing my presearch for this episode, I found

468
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 2: a thread on a forum titled alternatehistory dot com from

469
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. Users speculated about why the sequel

470
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: never came to pass. One user bco wrote, nineteen forty

471
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: five practically bankrupted Baine books. They assumed a prominent figure

472
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: is Gingridge, would lead to huge sales, printed up a

473
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: lot of books, couldn't sell many of them. The idea

474
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: of a sequel was out of the question. Another user,

475
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 2: Amerigo Vespucci, replied with added context to make matters worse,

476
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: there was a falling out between Jim Bain and Forstin

477
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: over creative differences in the story and part Forston wrote

478
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: the story as a single volume, but in order to

479
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: better capitalize on the name on the cover, Baines split

480
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: it into two volumes. There were other differences as well,

481
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: and bain never really discussed the matter in public and

482
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 2: left a bad taste in his mouth. Even with Bain's passing,

483
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: I doubt we'll ever see the second volume. It'd be

484
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: too many legal problems surrounding it. Your best bet might

485
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: be to wait twenty years or so until Forston is

486
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: dead too. He is still alive into a law school

487
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: to become a Crackerjack lawyer and publicist, and then start

488
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: negotiations to have the second volume released from his estate.

489
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 2: I love the thought of a man who's that dedicated

490
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: to a nineteen forty five sequel. It's a thirty year

491
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: plan to get that book.

492
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: Does Hitler die?

493
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: Hitler is still alive at this.

494
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: In the sequel, How does it end for Hitler?

495
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: I think the way this book is supposed to explain

496
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: things with Hitler is that like he's in a horrible

497
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: plane crash and forty one and so he gets all

498
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: fucked up and his people are able to like negotiate

499
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: a piece with the USSR, and as a result, he

500
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: kind of loses his mind. Like he's just like this damaged,

501
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: broken figure of a man in the book.

502
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 3: But he was so mentally normal.

503
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: He Yeah, he was doing so great before because this

504
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: is an alt history thing, and because Newt is the

505
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 2: kind of dude that he is. The main Nazi in

506
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Speaker 2: this is a guy named Otto Skorzeny, who is a

507
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: lot of people. He was a real guy. He was

508
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: one of the fathers of like modern special forces tactics,

509
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: like Screzenny is a major figure in the development of

510
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: like that kind of shit. I did find in a

511
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: there's a Fucking U Orlando Sentinel book review that says

512
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: that he died during an attack on crete, which is

513
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: not true. He lived until the seventies. He moved to

514
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: Spain so that Franco would protect him, and he lived

515
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: a fairly long life for a dude like him. But yeah,

516
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to start here with one of them. I

517
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: was probably the most famous passage in this book, right,

518
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: the opening scene, which features a high powered DC politician

519
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: who happens to be If I'm not mistaken, the speaker

520
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: of the House.

521
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: So this is self insert.

522
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: Yes, this is Newt's self insert. And remember nineteen ninety five.

523
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: This is right around when Newt Gingrich is attacking Clinton

524
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: and saying that he should be impeached because he.

525
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: Describing self insert character as like very handsome.

526
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: He describes his self insert character as having an affair

527
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: while he, as the real Speaker of the House, was

528
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: in this moment having an affair.

529
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: Okay, we have some honesty.

530
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: And specifically, the point of this chapter is his self

531
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: insert character hands over the secret to a Nazi spy

532
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: who is the person he's having an affair with that

533
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: the US is working on creating an atomic weapon like

534
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: the inciting incident in this is his self insert being

535
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: compromised and giving up nuclear secrets in order to get

536
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: laid and.

537
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: He is, in the real world the Speaker of the House.

538
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: The Speaker of the House, and having an affair with

539
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: a statu it'sund trustworthy to me. It's amazing stuff. September first,

540
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five, Washington, DC. Also, I don't know why

541
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: they do this, but they spell prologue wrong.

542
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: That's not so any ways to spell that.

543
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: At the end of this I've only ever seen it

544
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: spelled with an E at the end of it. I

545
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: don't understand why they're doing it this way, But Darling,

546
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: Germany and the United States are not at war. What

547
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: harm is there if we share the occasional bit of gossip.

548
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Surely you don't think that I a loyal Swede? The

549
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: question trailed off in a lethal paser as his beautiful

550
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: and so very exotic mistress stretched languidly mock innocent appeal

551
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: in her eyes. Still, he mustn't let her see just

552
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: how much she moved him. A relationship had to have

553
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: some balance. He stretched, in turn, reached out over his

554
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: for his cigarettes and gold plated ronson on the Art

555
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: deco nightstand with its tiffany lamp. Since he wasn't sure

556
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: what to say, he made a production out of lighting

557
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: up and enjoying that first luxurious after bout inhalation. What

558
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: an unsexy way of talking about the aftermath of.

559
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: Sex, just to say Prologue NOE is a declarative programming

560
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: language designed for developing logic based AI applications.

561
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: I think, okay, so this is oh maybe this is

562
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: what open ai used to create their AI. Is it

563
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: all based on.

564
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: Gingrich saying, here, that's exactly what ian.

565
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: What a nightmare, What a hideous, hideous nightmare. So he's

566
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: having after sex smokes with this lady who's very obviously

567
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: Nazi spy.

568
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not even being kind of sly about it.

569
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: She said, what if we just if you really loved me,

570
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: you'd tell me national defense information?

571
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, now here is Newt not at all talking

572
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: about his actual marriage and actual infidelity. Playfully to drive

573
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: home the potential law, she bit his shoulders than kissed

574
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: it better. Ah, hell, I don't want to. I wish

575
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: I could just divorce miss little Goody two shoes. I

576
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: like this arrangement, she laughed softly. Mistress to the chief

577
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: of staff of the president of Oh, sorry, the chief

578
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: of staff. So it's not exactly him, right, it's just

579
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: basically him. A nice title. Don't you think such a

580
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: book I could write? Mayhew shuddered at the thought. Don't

581
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: even joke about it. But he could trust her to

582
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: be discreet. He was sure he could trust her more

583
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: to cover his moment of doubt than for any other reason.

584
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: He harked back to her initial gambit. One thing, we

585
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: really don't have to worry about is a war between

586
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: Germany and the United States. It just isn't in the cards.

587
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: There's no way it could happen within the next year

588
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: or so. And after that we'll take it from me.

589
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: But nobody is going to dream of messing with the

590
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: United States, not even Adolf Hitler. I don't think there's

591
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: going to be a war either. But you seem so sure.

592
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: What is your big secret? You were so excited about

593
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: it when you came in here, and now you won't

594
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: tell me. Suddenly, the pouting sex kitten gave way to Diana,

595
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: the huntress. Tell me, she hissed. Mayhew looked at his

596
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: delicious interrogator for a moment. Her intensity almost frightened him.

597
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: Then he was overcome by it by her. His had

598
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: been a strict and starchy upbringing, and his marriage had

599
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: not been born of love but of political opportunity, though

600
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: his wife didn't know that, so he capitulated. Besides, he

601
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: wanted to tell. What good were secrets if you couldn't share? Okay,

602
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: I surrender, Lucky for you, she purred, then left, such

603
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: games we have, she whispered, in his year, you play wonderfully.

604
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: Now tell Having given in characteristically, he stalled, Sure, you're

605
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: not looking for a story for your Swedish newspaper. She

606
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: just looked at him. He could tell she was tiring

607
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: of the delay. And then he tells her that we're

608
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: making a nuke.

609
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: Uh missed the annual training that they give men in

610
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: the government that like, beautiful women do not want to

611
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: with you with their tops off? Now women aren't just

612
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: aren't doing that?

613
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they never would. Uh. I think that's very funny.

614
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: I think there's so much, so many, so much off

615
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: putting language in this book, like thinking of Newt Gingridge

616
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: writing the word sex kitten gives me like physical shivers

617
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: up and down my spine, and it should do the

618
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: same to you. But you know what doesn't make me shiver?

619
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: How cute my dog is in the background of this video.

620
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: That gives me a little shiver. That gives me a

621
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: little shiver, but like a joy shiver, right, yeah, joy shiver?

622
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: You know? Sure? Why not?

623
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Uh?

624
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: The products and services that support.

625
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: Our pod, but do they support my dog?

626
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: Uh?

627
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: No, they're neutral, they're neutral. They're cat people.

628
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: She left. Uh huh the second you said no, she left?

629
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

630
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: Wow, Standra Brown Anderson.

631
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: And weird.

632
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: You can really tell this is election day?

633
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're really We're half asking our nineteen forty

634
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: five episode.

635
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: So I can't wait to find out what happens when

636
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: she doesn't do anything with that secret.

637
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well she does and Hitler invades East Tennessee.

638
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: Which is funny because there is a guy who does

639
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: love Hitler who has a compound in East Tennessee.

640
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: There's a lot, Molly, there's more than one guy who

641
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: loves Hitler and has a compound in East Tennessee. God,

642
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: so there's a Gizmoto article I found called newt Gingrid

643
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: should go back to writing science fiction. Yes, we should,

644
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: kind of urging him to finish this book. It has

645
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: some interesting stuff to say about this piece of fiction.

646
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: In any case, whether nineteen forty five is as historically

647
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: dodgy as many have claimed, it contains several vile elements

648
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: of total awesomeness. For one thing, the triumphant Nazi Germany

649
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: spends its time developing what the back cover describes as

650
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: science fiction super weapons. You think I'm kidding? How about

651
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: rockets that are remotely guided via television cameras or superjets

652
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: with drop tanks to provide ground support. Plus super rockets

653
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: and hydrogen powered submarines, plus every villain in front of

654
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: a real you got to stick super in front of it,

655
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: otherwise people won't know that it's better than the normal

656
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Every villain in this book is hideous

657
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: and crazy. At some point, Scorzenny gets injured and loses

658
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 2: an eye so he can get an eyepatch or maybe

659
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: some kind of cyborg guy. In this passage, our hero

660
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: the square jaw Jim Martel, tries to shoot down Scorzenny's

661
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: plane and fails. Now ammunition gone, he can only watch

662
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: is the second and then the third plane lifted off.

663
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: Unlike the second plane, the third stayed low as the

664
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: pilot pushed it in just enough lefts rudder to cause

665
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: the plane to crab onto the edge of the grass

666
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: strips that it passed by, not twenty feet away from

667
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: where Jim stood otto. Skorzeny looked down, grinning demonically, and

668
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: James Martel finally understood the meaning of hatred. There's apparently

669
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: like three or four times where a character learns the

670
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: meaning of hatred, and that's because Newt Gingridge is an

671
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: educator likes it when people expand their minds. For a

672
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: little bit more coverage of some of the awkward lines

673
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 2: in this book, I'm going to turn to an Orlando

674
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: Sentinel piece titled as a writer, Gigrich makes a good Politician.

675
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: Good title for a book review. Nineteen forty five is

676
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: cluttered with awkward lines, like the exhaust vapors that swirled

677
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: in through the car's open windows stank like hell itself.

678
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: Then there's this, the scene brought to Martell's mind, the

679
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: absurd image of a cobra tenderly protecting a baby. Much

680
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: of the free puff, what's bringing that to mind? Why

681
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: would that bring that to mine? Have you ever seen that?

682
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: Is that a thing you can picture because you've witnessed it?

683
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: You know what this reminds me of? Yeah, you know,

684
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: this reminds me of a thing no one's ever seen

685
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: much of. Yeah, it's very funny. Much of the pre

686
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: publication hoopless surrounding nineteen forty five involved it supposedly steamy

687
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: sex scenes, some of which were exerpted last year in

688
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: The New York Times magazine when the book was still

689
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: in draft form. Gingrich vowed to tone down the sex.

690
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: He succeeded, for example, in bed with his Yeah, I mean,

691
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: we just read that passage. But I love that there

692
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: were leaks of this that were too horny and he

693
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: had to change the final draft. There's also a lot

694
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: of tweaking these. It's got to be newde right, who

695
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: else would lead these? Right, He's just testing the water.

696
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: How can we get a good amount of George HW.

697
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: Bush slander in this? Gingrich talks about like has a

698
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: character who knew him when he was a pilot, because

699
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush fought World War Two, who says,

700
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: if you needed someone to lead a group straight into

701
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: enemy black, he was your man, which is funny because

702
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: he was in fact shot down during the war. And

703
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: he had to also edit those portions to be nicer

704
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: to George H. W. Bush, which is cowardly new like you,

705
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: you've blown up any sort of legitimacy your book had

706
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: when you do stuff like that. Anyway, I want to

707
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: move to a passage midway through the book that's set

708
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: in Winston Churchill's office because one of the things that

709
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: happens while the Germans and vad East Tennessee Rommel conducts

710
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 2: the landing in Scotland. Of course they're moving down through

711
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: the Desert Fox is going to the Desert Fox. No one,

712
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: no one's better, no one better to conduct a war

713
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: on the Scottish Mors than the Desert Fox. Just poort

714
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: the Africa Corps right on over. They'll appreciate the breeze.

715
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about this just because there's

716
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: a little bit here that's kind of relevant to modern politics.

717
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 2: Here's Winston Churchill talking uh and one of his aids.

718
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: I've both made the same face where we're like, oh no,

719
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: uh huh.

720
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: He's talking to one of his aides again named Andrew.

721
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: For my part, I've ordered a secret alert for the

722
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: Royal Air Force starting at midnight. Also, the Army will

723
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: move on spring maneuver schedule up so as to increase

724
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: troop strengths throughout England. I'm also going to make a

725
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: speech before the House next week accusing Hitler of preparing

726
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: to launch an attack against US. Winston, I wish you

727
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. Why because the America First crowd will

728
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: go to town on you. That's why they claim it

729
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: was part of an ongoing plot to drag US into

730
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: yet another European conflict. They'll say it was a repeat

731
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: of what you and Roosevelt tried to do in forty

732
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: and forty one. They'll say you're deliberately trying to provoke Hitler,

733
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: that you came back to office intending to do just

734
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: that to finally drag us into a showdown with Germany.

735
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: If you make that speech, I won't be able to

736
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: back you up. A cold, static laden silence was the

737
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 2: only response. Even Roosevelt didn't start to move openly until

738
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: after the forty elections. You know, Andrew continued, after a

739
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: moment's pause. You know that I agreed with him one

740
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: hundred percent. I could see the threat as far back

741
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: as the denownment Versailles and the move into the Rhineland.

742
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: I knew then, and I know now that the maniac

743
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 2: son of a bitch would never stop on his own,

744
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: and that nothing short of a full scale war with

745
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: the United States could stop him. We should have been

746
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: in it back in forty one. If it hadn't been

747
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: for that damned accident, he'd have declared war on us

748
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: after Pearl Harbor. He all but told me that himself

749
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 2: in forty one we'd have won easily. Now he's ten

750
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: times more dangerous. I just love that the America first

751
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: guys are the bad guy in nineteen ninety five, and

752
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: fucking Gingrich is absolutely going to wind up on that

753
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: side here. Yeah. Now, there's a couple other fun moments

754
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: in another chapter not long after this, we go to

755
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: Rommel talking with some of his people, and there's a

756
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: line here that's very funny. Americans would be startled to

757
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 2: discover the degree of camaraderie that existed not just between

758
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: different ranks within the German officer corps, but between officers

759
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: and rankers. The practice had its roots in the mutinous

760
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: conditions prevalent in the German military at the end of

761
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: the Great War. Perhaps Germans could afford the informality because

762
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: German society was early status conscious, whereas Americans soone ready

763
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: to grant superior superiority to anybody needed the outward manifestations

764
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: of rank, because otherwise they would lose track of who

765
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: issued orders and who took them. It's an interesting description

766
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: of American culture.

767
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: A strange read of Germans. I don't know that there

768
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: was informality in ranks.

769
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, informality in the German military. I think he's trying

770
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: to talk about like Alftrig's tactic, which was this kind

771
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: of anti It was this kind of flattening of military

772
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: hierarchies in certain specific ways that came about as a

773
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: result of like combat in World War One, where you

774
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: were saying basically, like unit leading officers should have a

775
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: lot of freedom to like conduct advances and kind of

776
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: carry out attacks in a way that sort of they

777
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: see fit, rather than having to follow orders to the

778
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: letter from above, right.

779
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: It was.

780
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: I just don't know that translated into sort of the

781
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: social I don't know that.

782
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: I would say the German military was particularly informal between

783
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: officers and civilians, especially since, like the Prussian younger officer

784
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: class was still a major part of the German military

785
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: in this period.

786
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: So what happens when they get to Tennessee, is it

787
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: like a ground invasion?

788
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: I think they, I mean they come in from the air,

789
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: right of course. And then I mean I can tell

790
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: you what happens, which is that Sergeant Alvin York and

791
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of elderly veterans formal militia and stop the Nazis. Largely,

792
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: that's who saves the day. Because Newt's got to have

793
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: his like pro Second Amendment stuff, so he like puts

794
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: it in the mouth of like an elderly sergeant York fighting.

795
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: Off old men of Appalachia.

796
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: Just look by that can buy that. I mean, the

797
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: SS proved in the actual World War two that they

798
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: were not very good at fighting an insurgency, and I

799
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: think that Appalachia is worse terrain to fight an insurgency

800
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: than anywhere in western Russia. So I'm going to say, yeah, probably,

801
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: probably that would have gone bad for the Nazis.

802
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: So this could conceivably have been an interesting alternate history,

803
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: the Waffen SS trying to like fight their way down

804
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: to town through apple Achian just getting their shit wrecked.

805
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: Well, the problem with this book because that isn't it,

806
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: And that's a book I would read, especially if someone

807
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: like that, someone less problematic, like Harry Turtledove had written

808
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: The Fucker. But that's not like Nute actually Nute and

809
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: Forstune kind of fall for a standard pitfall in writing

810
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: fiction here, writing particularly like speculative past fiction, is you

811
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: have this point that's the actual thing that you want

812
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: to get that's actually interesting, which is like an insurgent

813
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: war in apple Atchia between the Nazis and like elderly

814
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: American World War one veterans. That's a fun premise, but

815
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: you don't get to it until the very end of

816
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: the book. Right by the end of the book, Hitler's

817
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: you know, geared up for a full scale invasion and

818
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: we're actually getting ready to have like you know that

819
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 2: he's set up like a navy conflict between like US

820
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: carrier groups and Nazi like the German navy. Like there's

821
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: a lot of cool stuff that's happening by the end potentially,

822
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: but it's not really a part of the story because

823
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: he feels the need to like go back much fur it.

824
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: Like you should always start a book at the thing

825
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: that's most interesting to you, right, Like you don't actually

826
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: want to waste a lot of time building up to that,

827
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: even if you're like, well, people are gonna want to

828
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: know how we got here, No they're not. They don't

829
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: give a shit. Start at whatever's most interesting. You know,

830
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: it's a rookie mistake. Maybe if Newton hadn't been so

831
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: busy being the Speaker of the House, he'd have been

832
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: able to get it right.

833
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is the sequel is probably a banger, and.

834
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: Need to get a sequel as a banger. It was

835
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: all apparently intended to be one book that's too long.

836
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, I don't know. We probably don't

837
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: need to go through this whole thing, especially because I

838
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: it's the election and I.

839
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: Don't think thatst Jim Martel right the.

840
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: Story march Al Martinal, you know the name, yeah, yeah, yeah,

841
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: also played by Christopher uh what's his name? From The

842
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings. I don't know. I think I'm

843
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: good on this book. We had forty five minutes, right,

844
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: that's all we owe you on our on our off week.

845
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: This is an off week. We're taking. We're taking a breather.

846
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: We're trying not to focus too much on the news

847
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: because nothing interesting is going to happen yet. You in

848
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: the future know, so just scream at past Robert and

849
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: Molly about what happened.

850
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: And if I don't get any message from the future,

851
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: I will assume that we all die this week.

852
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

853
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: Please? Is it for the whole world? Thank god? Thank goodness. Anyway, Molly,

854
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: how do you feel about the alternate past? What's you

855
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 2: what's your favorite World War two counterfactual? Do you spend

856
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: much time thinking about, like, for example, what if the

857
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: Germans hadn't invaded Russia but had focused all of their

858
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: military might on North Africa.

859
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: You know, as a woman, Robert, I'm going to say, no,

860
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: I have never thought about that.

861
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: All.

862
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: That's a shame. I spent a lot of time doing

863
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: World War two counterfactually.

864
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 3: Now I could run get my partner. I think probably

865
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: could talk about this for hours. I think this is

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Speaker 3: the thing that men like to think about. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: but no, no, I have never considered this.

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Speaker 2: So are you more of a World War one counterfactual guy? Like?

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Speaker 2: What if? What if Serbia had had taken over the

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Speaker 2: Austro Hungarian Empire? What if? What if by World War

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Speaker 2: two the great land power in Europe was the Serbian Empire?

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Speaker 4: What if?

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Speaker 3: I'm always I'm always asking myself like that, Sylvia, aren't

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Speaker 3: you always asking about that?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell I'll tell you one thing. We never would

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Speaker 2: have stopped putting cigarettes in movies. Right If Serbia is

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Speaker 2: like a China sized like market for American television and film,

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Speaker 2: cigarettes don't ever get cut out of Hollywood now, So

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Speaker 2: that's good. That's my prediction.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Molly, do you have anything you want to plug?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you should listen to my podcast Weird Little Guys

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Speaker 3: assuming no acts of terrorism happened this week, I won't

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Speaker 3: have any new news to cover in there.

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Speaker 2: But there have already been five bob threats against poling

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Speaker 2: locations in Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they did pick up a guy the other day

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Speaker 3: with an armed bomb about to blow up the power

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Speaker 3: grid in Nashville. So it does keep happening To.

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Speaker 2: Say there will be no acts of terror rism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you can tune into Weird Little Guys to

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Speaker 3: hear about these kind of weird little guys who do

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Speaker 3: things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of weird little guys, Newt Gingridge probably a

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Speaker 2: lot littler because he's extremely old now, so he's weird.

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Speaker 3: Check out Knut's wife's Instagram. She photoshops her face to

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Speaker 3: be completely smooth in every picture.

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Speaker 2: It's in beautiful, beautiful, and presumably, if this book is true,

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Speaker 2: she's plying him for nuclear secrets. She's, you know what, the.

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Speaker 3: Ambassador to the Vatican. She's not anymore.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And that is what a do nothing job. I know,

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Speaker 2: Make me ambassador to the Vatican, because you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do. I'm going to get into those catacombs.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to steal some saints bones. You know I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have.

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Speaker 3: A bigger I'm getting the Coronavisor. Oh oh wow, hops

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Speaker 3: time machine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, time machine hopefully.

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Speaker 2: I love I love the idea that the Pope has

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Speaker 2: a time machine because my imagination is, rather than doing

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Speaker 2: like anything that would help the Catholic Church, he just

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Speaker 2: repeatedly goes back in time to like put a thumbnail

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Speaker 2: on Martin Luther's chair, like he's just constantly fucking with

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Coronavisor allows you to manipulate the

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Speaker 3: past only to view it.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh well, then I would go look at dinosaurs, obviously,

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Speaker 2: That's that's the only thing I would be interested. I'm

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Speaker 2: proud to say I wouldn't stop any historical crimes with

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Speaker 2: a time machine. I'm doing nothing but dinosaur related stuff

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Speaker 2: if I get access to a time machine. Yeah yeah, anyways,

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Speaker 2: so I'm go have sex with nude Gangridge and get

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Speaker 2: secrets from him. I hope there's only one way to learn.

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Speaker 4: I hope future everybody is okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and you know where a rubber you don't know

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Speaker 2: where Nut's been, doesn't know where.

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