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Speaker 1: A truck with the doors wide open, two loyal pet

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Speaker 1: Good evening, I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Construction worker Jared McCullough left Mary in Louisiana on a

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Speaker 2: sudden five hundred mile trip to visit his son in Illinois,

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Speaker 2: taking his two dogs, Roxy May and Rusty. Days later,

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Speaker 2: his white twenty twenty gmc truck is found abandoned on

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Speaker 2: a remote dirt road near the Wabash River in Knox County,

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Speaker 2: with no sign of Jared.

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Speaker 3: Jared, I tid you the name of the Father, Son,

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Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit, the name of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Jared McCulloch was not around. The truck could not

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Speaker 4: be located. Fast forward and missing. We started a missing

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Speaker 4: person's investigation.

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Speaker 5: I got a call from Detective car I'd say it's

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Speaker 5: about nine point thirty in the morning, letting me know

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Speaker 5: that they had found the truck in Roxy and Rusty.

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Speaker 5: There's two dogs inside of the truck. I had no

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Speaker 5: idea that he was going there or for what reason.

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Speaker 5: It was total loss and confusion.

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Speaker 6: From our friends at wtwo, WAWV and East Idaho News

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Speaker 6: and speaking of East Idaho News joining us now Nate Eaton,

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Speaker 6: news director at East Idaho News.

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Speaker 1: Emmy nominated journalist, Nate, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: His truck is still there. The door's wide open. Let's

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Speaker 1: see a shot of that. His two dogs, loyal as ever,

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Speaker 1: still waiting for him to come back to the truck.

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Speaker 1: But no, Jared, I'm it seems as if he had

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Speaker 1: just left. What happened, Nate? What do we know?

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Speaker 7: Well, he left his home in Louisiana, Nancy to go

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Speaker 7: see his son, and then they found his truck there abandoned.

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Speaker 7: What was interesting is that it was out of gas,

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Speaker 7: but the truck was still on. The ignition was on,

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Speaker 7: out of gas. Those dogs were there. There were really

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Speaker 7: expensive tools in the back of the truck that weren't touched.

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Speaker 7: But his cell phone and wallet were gone.

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Speaker 1: The expensive tools in the back, cell phone and wallet gone.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the area where his truck and dogs

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Speaker 7: This is a very remote area of Fancy. In fact,

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Speaker 7: traveled several hundred miles there to when his truck was found,

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Speaker 7: and there were several different convenience stores along the way.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you'll get into that in a moment where

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Speaker 7: he stopped to get gas, he stopped to get food,

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Speaker 5: The truck was in a very very remote location on

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Speaker 5: the Walbash River. It's hard to really explain. It's a

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Speaker 5: one lane gravel road, remote just out in the middle

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Speaker 5: Going by what the police told me, both driver side

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Speaker 5: doors were left open. The truck was left in the

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Speaker 8: that was when I immediately started to worry. When she

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Speaker 8: what have you, and got himself into trouble in the

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Speaker 1: How do you quote get yourself in trouble in the

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Speaker 1: river all on your own? That's for our friends, I've

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Speaker 1: read Vanished podcast. In joining us tonight, a special guest,

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Speaker 1: Tammy McCullough repond. This is Jared's mother, Miss Tammy, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Tell me what you recall

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Speaker 5: I had just talked to him. Probably he would have

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Speaker 5: He had already talked to his boss about work on Monday.

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Speaker 5: He was upset because our water heater wasn't working properly

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Speaker 1: So he takes off on this truck to see his son,

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Speaker 1: leaving around six thirty pm Central still daylight.

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Speaker 1: Okay. When did you first learn he was missing?

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Speaker 5: It was one Detective Carr called me because Jared would

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Speaker 5: I didn't know he was going to see his son

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Speaker 1: Miss repond everyone, this is Jared's mother. What if anything,

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Speaker 1: have you learned about his cell phone usage along the trip.

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Speaker 5: He spoke to his son's mother the entire trip. There

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Speaker 5: and then phone gaps whenever he went missing. There's some gaps.

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Speaker 5: But the only person that he was talking to was her,

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Speaker 1: Was her home along the route he had taken was supposed.

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Speaker 5: To according to her, this is her words, go and

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Speaker 1: How close was his truck to where his ex lived.

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Speaker 5: It's probably a good three hours, depending on which route

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Speaker 1: Right, So let me ask you this miss repond where

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Speaker 5: He should have already been there because the phone calls stop.

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Speaker 5: that first gas station in Salem, he went in there

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Speaker 5: see him as the bathroom. His second stop there in

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Speaker 1: Back to Nate Eaton, he's director East Idaho News for

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Speaker 1: showing video surveillance at a convenience store where we know

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Speaker 1: he's not being erratic. Everything is absolutely fine. Now, Nate Eaton,

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Speaker 1: tell me about the pings on his phone, What if

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Speaker 7: That's a good question, Nancy. We know he's stopped at

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Speaker 7: Three hours later, five twenty six, he's seen on camera

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Speaker 7: There's that's it. So he stops it. It looks like

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Speaker 1: Okay, Nate Eaton, joining US News director East Idaho News.

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Speaker 1: I want you to take me through the timeline at

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Speaker 7: Okay, So he leaves the night of November fourth, around

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Speaker 7: Now remember there's daylight savings time at different time zones here,

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Speaker 7: Two thirty two he stops at a Hucks gas station.

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Speaker 7: He's seen on the security camera going inside, giving the

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Speaker 1: Point thirty ish pm Central, he leaves two thirty two am,

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Speaker 7: Fast forward to eight fifty one am. Three hours after that,

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Speaker 7: That's forty five miles east of Benton. And then Tammy

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Speaker 5: When he turned around. That's actually Missouri Ave, so it's

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Speaker 5: I would say in that timeframe that he's turning around

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Speaker 1: Let me understand this, Tammy. You're saying that you know

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Speaker 5: Who from his child's mother.

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Speaker 5: Right right, because Sandoval, where she lived, is straight down

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Speaker 1: Hugs, Okay, got it? And how far away would her

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Speaker 5: The U turn was right behind Hugs the Salem, Illinois

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Speaker 1: You're telling us that when Jared is making the U

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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton at the Illinois Hucks eight fifty am.

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Speaker 7: Eight fifty one am. So that would have been over

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Speaker 1: Yes, missus repond, what can you tell me? Can you

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Speaker 5: They weren't gone, They were in They were locked up

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Speaker 5: hole on that driver's door. So Therefore, it is impossible

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Speaker 5: But yet the passenger are supposed to be locked because

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Speaker 5: either it's all locked or it's all unlocked, you know,

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, I find that to be extremely important. The

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Speaker 1: they would have been opened. Nate Eaton, what does that

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Speaker 7: What she just said, Well, it sounds like somebody would

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Speaker 7: question along though, is why were those two doors just

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Speaker 7: with the dogs still sitting in there. One one push

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Speaker 4: As time passes, memory fades. It's the small details in

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Speaker 1: From w T W O n W A w Z

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Speaker 1: Iraqi war vet. Brian, what do we do now and

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Speaker 1: what do you make of all the stops and what

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you, Nancy, what's immediately troubling to me is

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Speaker 1: Why do you say staging?

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Speaker 9: What reason did he have to come to this area? Right?

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Speaker 9: There was speculation about the body of water. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Brian, what do you make of the fact that

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Speaker 9: That breaks the pattern of behavior and pattern of life

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Speaker 9: That's not going to happen. So, you know, it does

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Speaker 3: Him, these boats, between the lights and the sonar that

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Speaker 4: The river has been searched with multiple K nine units

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Speaker 1: Does that Lynn too? Brian Fitzgibbons' theory that where his

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Speaker 1: tell me about the search for Jared. What did it entail?

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Speaker 7: It entailed searches from the air with drones. It entailed

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what they did find in the truck, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: Which was also interesting, is that the pack of cigarettes

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Speaker 1: Let me see those scratch marks again, please, because that

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Speaker 1: dog didn't do that. That looks more like someone had

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Speaker 1: And where were those marks? Mate eaten?

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Speaker 7: Those marks were on the back window, so back of

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Speaker 1: And speaking of the back of the truck, listen, I.

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Speaker 5: Think if people would look at the video, you can

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Speaker 1: As Jared's mom speaking to East Idaho News, straight back

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Speaker 1: to Tammy McCulloch, repond, Jared's mother, what are you talking

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Speaker 5: After I was able to see all the pictures that

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Speaker 5: well a German shepherd, nobody could do anything you know

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean to you?

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Speaker 5: As I've told people before, me and Detective far and

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Speaker 5: There's like a love hate relationship because she's about Jared's age,

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Speaker 5: But it depends on how things progress them. Whenever they

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Speaker 1: What about his garment, the garment that he usually kept

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Speaker 5: I had completely forgotten about this until recently when I

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Speaker 5: was because I go through those pictures over and over

438
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 5: and over for him, seeing if I could find anything. Well,

439
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 5: Jared didn't like to use his cell phone for maps.

440
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 5: He liked to use the old garments, and that's what

441
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 5: me and my husband always used to use. He's broke

442
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 5: down when he came to West Virginia to see us

443
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 5: a week prior. His garment did so we had give

444
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: him our our other one. I can see in the

445
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 5: pictures as a piece that you can see that garment

446
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 5: in the glove box and most likely probably the one

447
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 5: that wasn't working. I mean, not as just a guess,

448
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 5: but I asked Detective Card. He said that he didn't

449
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 5: have any of the garments you have won. So this

450
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 5: is just here recently in the picture that he sent

451
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 5: to me, you can obviously see one there. Never they

452
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 5: recovered the truck.

453
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: So it's missing. Doctor John Delatory joining US licensed psychologist

454
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: specializing in forensic psychology, and you can find him at

455
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: doctor John Delay, doctor Della Tory. So many things out

456
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: of place. I want to hear your thoughts.

457
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 10: My first thought is where is this text? Is you know,

458
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 10: where is that that that his mother receives? Why is

459
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 10: he sending this text for what purpose? Where is where

460
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 10: is he being told to go? And by whom is

461
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 10: he being told to go to a location that's near

462
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 10: where the truck was found. That's the first thing that

463
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 10: I'm thinking about, because I can certainly see how the

464
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 10: truck could appear to have been abandoned. I could certainly see,

465
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 10: you know, the cousin's original statement about you know, he

466
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 10: stopped and you know, let the dog stretch us. I

467
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 10: can see all of these things, But I want to

468
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 10: know who he is talking to. If he's only talking

469
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 10: to the X, then we need to press her more

470
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 10: because it would most likely be that she knows more

471
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 10: than she's been revealing. But if there was someone else,

472
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 10: maybe they had met or something had happened where another

473
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 10: person was then added. But why why would another person

474
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 10: then be added to this conversation? For what purpose? That

475
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 10: where is? That is the most standout thing to me,

476
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 10: because why would it have been sent to his mother?

477
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 10: If it was sent to her on purpose, then that

478
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 10: tells us sort of what else is going on. If

479
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 10: it was done accidentally, that it was meant to be

480
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 10: sent to either someone else or to the ex, then

481
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 10: there's more that is going on than has either been

482
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 10: revealed by the ex or been revealed by police.

483
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: So to you, Tammy, Miss Tammy, what do you make

484
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: of that text.

485
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 5: Jared had a tendency of texting the wrong people. He

486
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: wasn't good with technology, so I never replied back and

487
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: something that I'll always regread because I just figured he

488
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: was talking to somebody else, like one of his bosses

489
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: or somebody here it come. So I never never texted.

490
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: Doctor delatory way in.

491
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, I still think that the conversations that he was

492
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 10: having with the X I think point to number one,

493
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 10: maybe a level of increasing frustration. We don't actually know.

494
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 10: These are phone calls that are being having, so we

495
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 10: don't know exactly what they're speaking about, and so we

496
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 10: could certainly if there's something new at it, if there's

497
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 10: some other kind of reason why she's drawing him in

498
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 10: besides you know, taking care of the sun. Maybe she

499
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 10: needs something else from him and he's been refusing and

500
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 10: she's using the sun as a lure for him. There's

501
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 10: more to what's going on that The text of where

502
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 10: is that suggests to me that he's being confused. He's

503
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 10: being led somewhere, and the only person that would be

504
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 10: leading him to a place that he didn't know would

505
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 10: be the X. So we need to have more of

506
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 10: a conversation about what these two were talking about and

507
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 10: why what.

508
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: About it, Brian?

509
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 9: The number of these calls, and Tammy's done an excellent

510
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 9: job putting together this timeline. These calls were not taken place,

511
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 9: you know, during normal hours. These were happening in the

512
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 9: middle of the night as Jared was making this track,

513
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 9: So there has to be more of a narrative around

514
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 9: what was being communicated, what was going on, And I

515
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 9: think that that's an important piece that directly ties to

516
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 9: those final hours of cell phone activity that we can verify.

517
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 5: I am strongly suspecting foul play.

518
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, we have some information that hasn't been released, so

519
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 11: going off that information and what has been released, we

520
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 11: definitely think foul play. We definitely think the truck was planted.

521
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 11: We think the shoes were thrown to just throw someone off.

522
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 4: The Walbass River is right there, and if I was

523
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: a betting man, I would have to say that's probably

524
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: where his phone is.

525
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: From our friends at the vanished podcast night Eton, what

526
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: can you tell me about the shoes.

527
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 7: The shoes were completely discarded as we know, and we're

528
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 7: not we're found with the try near the same area.

529
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 7: And the question is too as they mentioned in that

530
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 7: sound bite, the phone, no track of that, no able

531
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 7: to they have been able to track that. I do

532
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 7: think it's interesting and touching in a way that Tammy

533
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 7: has kept that phone active, hoping that if our kid

534
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 7: kept the number alive, they continue to pay for the bill,

535
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 7: hoping that if somebody calls it, if if Jared is

536
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 7: able to get through to it, or someone calls it

537
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 7: with a tip, that they might be able to get that.

538
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: There is Jared driving along in the same vehicle that

539
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: was found by the side of the road. Next you're

540
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: seeing him having fun horsing around after work with his

541
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: work buddies. They're at the construction site. They're all playing

542
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: outside the construction site, and we are showing him busy

543
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: at work. This is a guy that supported his children,

544
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: that worked hard tonight, his mom asking for your help

545
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: finding him. Brave, it's Gibbons. I'm not sure why we're

546
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: not hearing information about the cloud, the last pings the

547
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: NAV system in his truck. How can that help us?

548
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there was some information and Tammy could

549
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 9: correct me if I'm wrong, but there was some information

550
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 9: about the last ping on Jared's phone in the location

551
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 9: of that you know, being a couple of miles from

552
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 9: a specific cell tower. How much can it help us?

553
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 9: You know, Hey, it narrows down the last location of

554
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 9: that phone, right, that's an immediate good place to search,

555
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 9: and it may have indeed already been searched by law enforcement.

556
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 9: I think at this point, a couple of years into this,

557
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 9: what's going to break the case is new information from

558
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 9: somebody who knew what Jared was doing, who he was

559
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 9: meeting up with, where he was going in those final

560
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 9: hours that we have communication documented from him. The cell

561
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 9: phone tells that timeline of his last communications, and what

562
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 9: can break this case is somebody coming forward with information

563
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 9: to fill in the picture of what was going on

564
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 9: in those hours.

565
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: Temmy, what do you know about pains?

566
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 5: To my knowledge, all they did was the last cell

567
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: phone pain, which I think, in my opinion, it would help.

568
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 5: Prior to they explained that they couldn't get anything off

569
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: the eder and the truck, but I believe that they

570
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 5: probably could. I could be wrong on this, so I

571
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: couldn't correct me. But when the truck sent out the

572
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: low battery alert to my email, that should have sent

573
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 5: from the truck to a cell tower of sorts the

574
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 5: way I read I'm just learning. So they should have

575
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 5: been able to get something off that eder too, because

576
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: if we could try where the truck was prior, not where,

577
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 5: not where it ended up, but where the truck and

578
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 5: Jared's phone were prior, that would let narrow down on

579
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 5: a lot of places to look.

580
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: At least, guys, you were seeing shots of Jared and

581
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: tonight his mother is begging for your help, Miss Tammy.

582
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: How far away was the last ping known ping on

583
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: his phone from where his truck was actually found?

584
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 5: It was last pinged off the mountain Parmel, Illinois tower,

585
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 5: which puts it in a two point four mile radius,

586
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 5: which would put his truck where it was found in

587
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 5: that radius. But you still have a wide area.

588
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, brib As Gibbons. I believe that pings, I mean

589
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: they can be pinpoint accurate. They can be within a

590
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: few feet, a few yards a block from where the

591
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: phone actually is when it pings off cell tower. I

592
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: don't know that the phone would ping and show two

593
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: point eight miles away from where it actually is. I

594
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: believe that that ping is accurate where his cell phone

595
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: was last and that the truck was then taken two

596
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: point eight miles away from where he was with his

597
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: cell phone.

598
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's certainly tiers to the data on how and

599
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 9: not knowing exactly how that was pulled? Was this a

600
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 9: tower dump? Was this generalized information coming from the towers?

601
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 9: But you know it's either going to give you a

602
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 9: radius or a very specific location. And I think in

603
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 9: this case, and I'll go back to it, what's really

604
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 9: bothering me is that this trip was entirely intentional. Jared

605
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 9: left there with a very specific purpose. He was communicating

606
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 9: with a very limited number of people, namely one that

607
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 9: we know about. Right what happened in those final hours

608
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 9: when his phone goes dark, when he stops using it,

609
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 9: when he stops communicating. We need to fill in the

610
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 9: specifics and paint that picture of that timeline.

611
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: Do Tammy McCulloch repond. This is Jared's mother. What is

612
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: your message tonight?

613
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 5: Whoever knows anything, please reach out and you can reach

614
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 5: out to Missing in America Network. They've got a tip

615
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: line set up eight four four AM I a loss.

616
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: You can remain anonymous there. You can also send in

617
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: a tip through our EO box that we have set

618
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: up and tipline Family tip line. I know some people

619
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: tend to be afraid to come forward. There's nobody. Somebody

620
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: did not see Jared at that time. Any little piece helps.

621
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 5: We just need to bring home. It's way past time.

622
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 5: You miss him home. It's constant, sir. I'm working pretty

623
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 5: much every day going through paperwork. Jared was the only

624
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: son that I had left or have left. I need

625
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 5: him home. We need we need answers. His children need

626
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 5: the answers. It's exhausting. It's exhausting to my husband, who

627
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 5: was like a father to Jared. It's affecting everybody. And

628
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 5: his children need answers.

629
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Speaker 1: It's it's time, mistery Pod. Thank you for joining us.

630
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it just means so much more to have

631
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: you speaking on his behalf.

632
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing his story, because honestly, a lot

633
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: of people are afraid of you, and I think I

634
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 5: think your bulldog attitude is going to scare some people,

635
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: and so some answer this is what I'm hoping for.

636
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: Well, I certainly hope. So I'm going to take that

637
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: in the best possible life. That number again, eight four

638
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: four M I A L O S T MI IA lost.

639
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: That's eight four four six four two five six seven

640
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: eight eight four four six four two five six seven eight.

641
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: His mom still keeps his cell phone activated and going

642
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: in case, somehow, some way a tip comes through. If

643
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: you know anything, or think you know anything about Jared's disappearance,

644
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: please dial Notts County Sheriffs eight poe two eight A

645
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: two seven six six Oh there is a two thousand,

646
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars reward or eight four four six four

647
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: two five six seven eight. We remember American hero Officer

648
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: Stephen Anderson, Utah Department Corrections, shot in the line of duty,

649
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: leaving behind five children. Sean, Sherry, Lise. It's a Melanie

650
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: and Michelle American hero Officer Stephen Anderson. Thank you to

651
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: our guests, but especially to you for being with us.

652
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see you

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00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,