Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat
Speaker 2: about life and relationships, all.
Speaker 3: While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.
Speaker 2: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tenny. Hey, everyone,
Speaker 2: we hope this finds you well. So we started doing
Speaker 2: this Desperately Devoted podcast because we knew that the fans
Speaker 2: of the show were like community. We feel like family,
Speaker 2: and sharing stories from the show and themes from the
Speaker 2: show has been our way to connect with you, to
Speaker 2: share joy. But we're coming on here today because it's
Speaker 2: a really special episode for us because something important is
Speaker 2: happening in our country and we don't feel like we
Speaker 2: can ignore it. It's very strange to not come on
Speaker 2: here and acknowledge it, and so we wanted to do
Speaker 2: that with you, especially since some of our family, Ricardo
Speaker 2: Shavera and James Detton are right smack in the middle
Speaker 2: of the heart of Minneapolis. We are witnessing acts that
Speaker 2: are illegal and horrifying, and I'm going to have trouble
Speaker 2: not crying. Heartbreaking, really really heartbreaking, And so I think,
Speaker 2: as any good neighbor would do, and we'd like to
Speaker 2: think of ourselves as good neighbors on Wisteria Lane, no
Speaker 2: matter what kind of crazy stuff we get up to.
Speaker 2: It was important to us to just, you know, ground
Speaker 2: this and have a reality check with some of the
Speaker 2: people we love and care about and see how things
Speaker 2: are going in their community, and most importantly, learn what
Speaker 2: we can do to be supportive, to be supportive neighbors.
Speaker 3: So far in twenty twenty six, the news cycle has
Speaker 3: been dominated by controversy and public outcry tied to a
Speaker 3: large scale federal immigration enforcement action in Minnesota that authorities
Speaker 3: are calling Operation Metro Surge. ICE and Border Patrol agents
Speaker 3: have been on the streets of Minneapolis allegedly in search
Speaker 3: of undocumented immigrants.
Speaker 1: Local and national protests around the operation have greatly escalated
Speaker 1: after the two recent fatal shootings by ICE officials. On
Speaker 1: January seventh, Renee Good, a thirty seven year old US
Speaker 1: citizen and mother, was shot and killed by a US
Speaker 1: Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE agents, and then again on
Speaker 1: January twenty fourth, Alex Pretty, also thirty seven, and an
Speaker 1: ICU nurse, was fatally shot. It feels very important to
Speaker 1: us to say their names and find out what we
Speaker 1: can do to help where we can. And so this
Speaker 1: leads us into today, and we are so lucky and
Speaker 1: grateful to have both Ricardo and Jamie here with us.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome Should I be saying welcome back? And
Speaker 2: by the way, don't be shy to talk. I know
Speaker 2: everybody was don't talk over each other.
Speaker 4: But we're being so good not talking over each other
Speaker 4: that it's the most boring silent zoom call. Hi.
Speaker 5: Happy to be here. Yeah, thanks for having us back. Yeah,
Speaker 5: absolutely so.
Speaker 2: I mean I was going to explain to Andrea and
Speaker 2: Emerson also that like Ricardo and James, both of us
Speaker 2: and we kind of keep in touch, like we text
Speaker 2: each other often. And so of course when everything started
Speaker 2: happening in Minneapolis, I immediately thought of both of you,
Speaker 2: because Ricardo, you're actually there on the ground, living there now,
Speaker 2: and James, you have lived there for many years after
Speaker 2: Desperate Housewives, and I would imagine a lot of your
Speaker 2: family and friends and maybe even you still have a
Speaker 2: house there. Can you Why don't we start with I mean,
Speaker 2: since Ricardo, since you're there, do you want to just
Speaker 2: you know, I tell us what's in your point of view,
Speaker 2: what's happening, what you're witnessing, what you're feeling, and I
Speaker 2: think ultimately what people who are out of state, out
Speaker 2: of the country, fans of yours can do to help.
Speaker 5: Wow. Okay, so I've been pretty active as best I can.
Speaker 5: I went out to a couple of different marches. Recently.
Speaker 5: I did the Lake Street protests that were lining the
Speaker 5: street from Lake Bedema Costa, which used to formerly be
Speaker 5: Lake Calhoun, all the way to the Lake Street Bridge.
Speaker 5: I don't think that they were that successful with it
Speaker 5: because it was a Wednesday night, but there were points
Speaker 5: of contacts, so like at Lake and Bloomington, at Lake
Speaker 5: and at Lake and Lyndale, these are very major intersections.
Speaker 5: Those intersections were very full, so that was good. And
Speaker 5: I was at Lake in Bloomington because that's specifically at
Speaker 5: Latino part of the community. I wanted to be there
Speaker 5: just for that. A lot of people out there protesting,
Speaker 5: a lot of I got some video, Terry. I think
Speaker 5: I sent you some of that video. I've also been
Speaker 5: trying to do just like little things, and it really
Speaker 5: started with you know, there was that big, beautiful march
Speaker 5: that happened from US Bank all the way to Target
Speaker 5: Center with twenty five thousand people in like negative ten
Speaker 5: degree weather, and it was just like it was so peaceful.
Speaker 5: These were not people that were paid. These were not
Speaker 5: paid protesters, Okay, I mean that would have been a
Speaker 5: shit ton of money twenty some one thousand people. So
Speaker 5: and these are not paid agitators. These are people that
Speaker 5: live in this community, that work in this community, that
Speaker 5: reside in this community, that are fed up with what
Speaker 5: is going on and are tired and are willing to
Speaker 5: put themselves out there to let it be known that
Speaker 5: we don't want this occupation here anymore. So that was
Speaker 5: a beautiful day. And then Saturday morning, you have getting
Speaker 5: shot and I woke up to that. I woke up
Speaker 5: to my neighbors sending me the text, and I was
Speaker 5: just like, wow, Renee Good had gotten shot, and so
Speaker 5: I was like, what is just You're like, what is happening?
Speaker 5: What is going on? And then my neighbors are like,
Speaker 5: they're saying for everybody to get out on as many
Speaker 5: street corners as possible in protest. And so we did
Speaker 5: that in our neighborhood over here in like Columbia Heights
Speaker 5: and Northeast, And I mean we started with four people
Speaker 5: by the time we finished, we had about fifteen to
Speaker 5: twenty people out there in the street corner, and people
Speaker 5: were honking. I mean, there were so many people that
Speaker 5: were honking. I mean there are also people who were
Speaker 5: giving us the finger. I think my absolute favorite one
Speaker 5: was this little old lady that drove by and gave
Speaker 5: me the finger wag of shame. So that was kind
Speaker 5: of interesting. Well you yes, ye.
Speaker 2: Here because I think, you know, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is interesting to people who do not live
Speaker 2: in the US, because I do feel, like, you know,
Speaker 2: political divisiveness and right wing swings are happening all over
Speaker 2: the world, so I can't imagine that it's it's just
Speaker 2: us that are seeing these extreme, horrible, illegal, you know, behaviors.
Speaker 2: But like, what what would possess an old woman to
Speaker 2: wag her finger like, I mean, obviously desperately devoted? Is
Speaker 2: not a political show. And and I'm not a political expert,
Speaker 2: although I don't. I think I'm a smart person, and
Speaker 2: I think I'm a reasonable person, and I and I
Speaker 2: you know, so I think I count as much to
Speaker 2: discuss and tear apart like trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: is happening as anybody. But like, what is she wagging her.
Speaker 5: Finger at you for?
Speaker 6: This is the interesting thing about Minnesota.
Speaker 4: People think, you know, probably you know it is the
Speaker 4: land of Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale and now Tim Walls.
Speaker 4: But Minnesota, as Ricardo will at test. I lived there
Speaker 4: for twelve years. I do still have a house there.
Speaker 4: My son was actually out at the protest and he's
Speaker 4: still waiting for his check, by the way, if he
Speaker 4: was paid to be out there. And I know everybody
Speaker 4: I know just about was out there. Ricardo, good on you,
Speaker 4: because that's all you can do right now. And I
Speaker 4: have a mutual friends who knew Alex Pretty who's a
Speaker 4: nurse ps one of the nicest guys in the world,
Speaker 4: peace loving guy in case you doubted it. But it's
Speaker 4: Middle America. It's not like they picked on some super
Speaker 4: progressive liberal state. Minnesota is as purple as it gets.
Speaker 4: And I got I got flipped off in my old
Speaker 4: pickup truck two times. When I first moved on, I
Speaker 4: was like, what is what am I doing? I'm not
Speaker 4: driving what happened in Minnesota?
Speaker 6: Nice?
Speaker 4: And I realized I had a Biden bumper sticker on
Speaker 4: my truck and literally waiting the middle finger at me
Speaker 4: as they passed me. I thought, oh, did I cut
Speaker 4: that guy off?
Speaker 6: What did I do? So it's not super progressive.
Speaker 4: I think Tim Wallas is one of the reasons that
Speaker 4: that Trump is picking on it.
Speaker 6: And it's also the humong and Somali populations.
Speaker 4: They are a lot of Somali immigrants, and I think
Speaker 4: because they're brown, you know, they're easy to spot and
Speaker 4: pick because Minnesota is pretty lily white, so it's easy
Speaker 4: to find these people for them and to target them.
Speaker 6: And it's really horrible.
Speaker 4: But people think about Minnesota as being you know, Mondale Humphrey,
Speaker 4: and it's very purple, and there's plenty of people that
Speaker 4: are far right maga people, so it's it's kind of
Speaker 4: a hot button place right now, which I never would
Speaker 4: have thought of, you know, just a few years ago.
Speaker 1: I want to jump in and say that, you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the protests, and obviously over the last
Speaker 1: twelve plus years there have been so many protests and
Speaker 1: it feels like one of the things we can do,
Speaker 1: but it often feels like not enough of something to do.
Speaker 1: But we see these signs all over social media and
Speaker 1: the internet, and there's so many beautiful sentiments that people
Speaker 1: are holding up, and I think one of the ones
Speaker 1: I've seen recently that really struck me as a succinct
Speaker 1: way to talk about what's happened is it's the Sign.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you all saw it that said, if
Speaker 1: you're not heartbroken for America right now, then you don't
Speaker 1: love her enough. And I thought that is a really
Speaker 1: beautiful way to state something that should be bipartisan, right,
Speaker 1: because if you are politically active at all, if you
Speaker 1: are passionate, whatever your political affiliation is, it should be
Speaker 1: rooted in a love of country, right and the hope
Speaker 1: that America can be the best it can be. And
Speaker 1: I feel like we can all look around and acknowledge
Speaker 1: that this is so far from the best that we
Speaker 1: can be. This cannot be the best. And so I
Speaker 1: thought that that statement was a really good example of saying,
Speaker 1: this is what These are the conversations we need to
Speaker 1: be having, because yes it is political, and yes there
Speaker 1: is a giant divide, but shouldn't we all be trying
Speaker 1: to live in a country that we can stand proudly
Speaker 1: behind and this can't be it.
Speaker 6: You're exactly right, and it's anything.
Speaker 4: You read by An Applebaum is a great author as
Speaker 4: far as autocracy books about you know, the slippery slope
Speaker 4: and with the way it happens, and you know, you
Speaker 4: change the refs, which are the Supreme Court judges, and
Speaker 4: then you ignore the guard rails and all those things.
Speaker 4: And there's a certain amount of tolerance that's that's imperative.
Speaker 4: And when you have any kind of a republican representation
Speaker 4: or democracy where you have to legitimately believe the other
Speaker 4: side is human and they have a right to do
Speaker 4: their thing and they're gonna win sometimes, and that tolerance
Speaker 4: is just completely gone.
Speaker 6: And and you know, I am.
Speaker 4: A prejudice and that I have ended up on the
Speaker 4: left side as I was born and raised Republican. I think, Terry,
Speaker 4: you might have been raised conservative too, are you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the party just has disappeared. But so yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: a little biased now on that side. But it's frustrating
Speaker 4: that my friends that are still very conservative Republicans and
Speaker 4: Trump supporters seem like they don't want there's no tolerance.
Speaker 4: That we're these horrible, these sort of caricature cardboard cutouts
Speaker 4: that they've been presented on from Fox News.
Speaker 6: And I hope I'm not being too tough, but it's
Speaker 6: it's it's the truth.
Speaker 4: And then they they And so it's been tough because
Speaker 4: I can't even have a conversation anymore. And uh and
Speaker 4: obviously that's a that's not a great place for to start.
Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't raised conservative. I mean, my my
Speaker 5: father my mother were met uh you know, they were
Speaker 5: They both joined the Peace Corps in the sixties. My
Speaker 5: father to avoid Vietnam, my mother to find something better
Speaker 5: for herself. I mean when they came back stateside, they
Speaker 5: both marched with Caesar Javas in Crystal City, you know,
Speaker 5: in the early seventies. My father was was one of
Speaker 5: the members of the La La Rossa you need a party,
Speaker 5: So you know, this is this is something that for me,
Speaker 5: it was like, this is this is a no brainer.
Speaker 5: I go out there and I do this, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think the thing is is some people say, well,
Speaker 5: you don't you don't want to do that. Well, I'm
Speaker 5: not putting myself right there at ground zero. You know.
Speaker 5: I have you know, I have things that obligations, and
Speaker 5: I have children, I have this kind of stuff. But
Speaker 5: I think that it's important that and and look, man,
Speaker 5: I am Terry, you and I talked about this. I'm
Speaker 5: not trying to do this so that people pay attention
Speaker 5: to me and so that I'm getting likes. And it's like, dude,
Speaker 5: I don't If I can come up with an idea
Speaker 5: or if I could put my face out there and
Speaker 5: it provides a solution, that's all that That's all that
Speaker 5: matters at this point, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 5: I and I and I really truly believe I think
Speaker 5: more people like bigger names, bigger faces, with bigger voices
Speaker 5: and bigger platforms need to put themselves out there. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're at that point where it's like it's it is
Speaker 5: a necessity, like my thought I saw and I did
Speaker 5: this little reel about it for for Instagram, But it
Speaker 5: was you know, the the NBA canceled the game te
Speaker 5: Wolves versus the Golden State Warriors on the day that
Speaker 5: Freddie was shot. Now they just moved it a day.
Speaker 5: But it's like, why not go further with that? Why
Speaker 5: not start canceling games in general? Why don't you guys
Speaker 5: get you guys are massive leaders within these communities that
Speaker 5: you that you represent, your teams represent. You know, It's like,
Speaker 5: are we just and and we have an economic relationship.
Speaker 5: You know, you guys rely on us to buy tickets
Speaker 5: and support your teams. You know, come on, get out
Speaker 5: here with us, get out here with your community. Sorry,
Speaker 5: that's it.
Speaker 2: I agree with you on a lot of points you
Speaker 2: just suggested. I mean, I think it's tricky whether you're
Speaker 2: famous or not. I think there's a you know, there's
Speaker 2: a question of if you're obligated to speak out or
Speaker 2: you know, if there's a place for you to be
Speaker 2: holding space and support in some private way.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: I try not to be too judgmental about that. I
Speaker 2: also feel like it can be exhaustive for people to
Speaker 2: have the sense of wanting to be able to do
Speaker 2: something and not being able to know what to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, you even have a lot of push right
Speaker 2: now with the call your senator and tell them not
Speaker 2: to fund ice, which is a great idea. But Alex
Speaker 2: Padilla in California is very clearly a left supporting you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like like I can call him,
Speaker 2: but it's and I will and and but I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know that that probably isn't the thing that's going
Speaker 2: to make a difference, because he's already not supporting ICE,
Speaker 2: and he's already been out there very clearly about it.
Speaker 5: On my side, my two senator is because I still
Speaker 5: you know, my my my homestead is Texas. So my
Speaker 5: two senators are John Corny and Ted Cruz. I mean, really,
Speaker 5: you think they're going to listen to anything I say
Speaker 5: about defunding ICE.
Speaker 2: You know, But although although that would be the senator,
Speaker 2: when you have that connection, that's the senator that is
Speaker 2: the important call to make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just I want to jump in and just say
Speaker 3: that in terms of calling your senators, this does especially
Speaker 3: matter if you are in a red state. And if
Speaker 3: you're thinking about if you're a listener of ours and
Speaker 3: you're thinking about calling your senator, the national switchboard is
Speaker 3: the number is two zero two two two four three
Speaker 3: one two one two zero two two two four three
Speaker 3: one two one.
Speaker 7: And you can look this up to it.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I understand it can feel like potentially
Speaker 3: it's not that useful if you're in a blue state.
Speaker 3: But I do think that there is power in numbers,
Speaker 3: certainly if you're in a purple state or a red state.
Speaker 3: And also right now, with specific regard to Minnesota, it
Speaker 3: feels worth mentioning that you can look up stand with
Speaker 3: Minnesota dot com for a whole host of local organizations
Speaker 3: and aid groups that are accepting donation right now, in
Speaker 3: addition to if you're able to get out there on
Speaker 3: an actual street corner.
Speaker 5: I was just going to say, so, I had a
Speaker 5: friend of mine, I'm really tied in with the theater
Speaker 5: community over here, and I feel, like I said, again,
Speaker 5: I've got the imposter syndrome where I've only been here
Speaker 5: for three years. So I reached out to my like
Speaker 5: several of my people. It's like, you guys are native here,
Speaker 5: give me a list please, and I have it if
Speaker 5: you'll allow me. The big ones, uh, so U neiedos
Speaker 5: Minneapolis or Minnesota. So it's you and I, the d
Speaker 5: O S DASH m N dot org, uh, the Immigrants
Speaker 5: Defense Network which is all one word immigrants, Immigrant Defense
Speaker 5: Network dot org. Also Monarca which is Monarica m N
Speaker 5: dot org. Mutual aid efforts you can d h H
Speaker 5: Church and Burnsville have been providing food for weeks to
Speaker 5: people that are staying indoors because they don't feel safe
Speaker 5: going outside. And that's www dot d h H m
Speaker 5: N dot com. Backslash Operations South High School has a
Speaker 5: fund for food and rent for terrified families. That's www
Speaker 5: dot gofund me dot com, backslash support DASH South High
Speaker 5: School Families, Minnesota Rapid Response Coalition www dot Minneapolis dot org, backslash,
Speaker 5: mp LS, dash f o R dash mp LS, backslash
Speaker 5: And I can provide you this whole list, Jerry. I'll
Speaker 5: make sure so you guys can put it on there.
Speaker 2: Well, put them all up. I wanted to tell our audience,
Speaker 2: not because again, like you, I'm not really about telling
Speaker 2: people what I do or what I don't do in
Speaker 2: some sort of, you know, boastful way, but something people
Speaker 2: know who listen to this podcast, they know my love
Speaker 2: of food. They know how every time we've done an episode,
Speaker 2: I'm making peanut brittle or you know whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: fried chicken or whatever it is. And so I went
Speaker 2: and found a couple of ways to adopt restaurants in Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: because what happens is people are afraid to go out,
Speaker 2: and so therefore small businesses are not getting their normal revenue.
Speaker 2: And so that's something else you can do and will
Speaker 2: include all of this stuff. But I think, as I
Speaker 2: was going back to saying, I think sometimes I wasn't
Speaker 2: trying to any way belittle the calling the senators move,
Speaker 2: even if you do live in a blue state, because
Speaker 2: I agree with you Emerson, numbers matter. But you know
Speaker 2: when you can actually put money in somebody's pocket, When
Speaker 2: when that you know, in real time it will be effectual,
Speaker 2: that that feels good to be generous to help people.
Speaker 2: Like that's going back to what you said, Andrew. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm going to cry now because it's just like I
Speaker 2: don't understand, Like I listen to you say that list
Speaker 2: of people in need and organizations that it's really great
Speaker 2: to hear you say at Ricardo, because I think sometimes
Speaker 2: people don't trust if an organization is vetted or whatever,
Speaker 2: and it's nice to hear it right from you, So
Speaker 2: thank you for that. But like you make it sound like,
Speaker 2: you know, like a war zone, and that's and that's
Speaker 2: that is what it is. And we've done this to ourselves,
Speaker 2: the federal government, the people who elected these people, like
Speaker 2: we've done this to ourselves, and it's just insane to
Speaker 2: me that we can't get past the politics in order
Speaker 2: to just see the humanity.
Speaker 5: I'd like I'd like to share something very personal, if
Speaker 5: I may so Rene Good was shot. My son was
Speaker 5: up here with me. We did a fishing trip right
Speaker 5: after that, went up to northern Minnesota, then came back.
Speaker 5: I went away into the short film in Vegas and
Speaker 5: then I got back here. So it's gone for about
Speaker 5: a week. The day that she was shot. And first off,
Speaker 5: I have a very large white Chevy truck Okay, with
Speaker 5: very dark tinted windows and Texas plates. So the day
Speaker 5: that she was shot, we were driving on Central near
Speaker 5: my house and a woman looked at my truck, scowled
Speaker 5: and picked up her phone and took a photo. Since
Speaker 5: I've been back in the past week, I've been actively
Speaker 5: followed seven times. I've had multiple people give me the
Speaker 5: finger and dirty looks as I'm driving, and have videotape
Speaker 5: or taken pictures of my truck. My neighbors have gotten
Speaker 5: my truck a picture of it as well as the
Speaker 5: plates and given it to all the active observers and
Speaker 5: volunteers in the area so that they know that my
Speaker 5: truck is a safe truck. But I mean, like literally,
Speaker 5: just yesterday I had somebody I saw the car, I
Speaker 5: saw him look and he turned and followed me and
Speaker 5: followed me all the way home, I had to flag
Speaker 5: him down and be like, I see what you're doing.
Speaker 5: I totally understand it. I absolutely support it. And it's
Speaker 5: my misfortune that this is my vehicle right now given
Speaker 5: the state of affairs. But I am not ice, and
Speaker 5: I just want you to know that, okay, And and
Speaker 5: and I look, look I'm fine with that, and I
Speaker 5: really am. But it's like, this is what's going on,
Speaker 5: this is where we're at. That like the state of Minnesota,
Speaker 5: the city of Minneapolis, if you're driving a car that
Speaker 5: looks like an ice vehicle with dark tinted windows or
Speaker 5: with out of state plates, people are actively watching you,
Speaker 5: writing your license plate down, creating a list and finding
Speaker 5: out and yes, absolutely good, absolutely good. But just today,
Speaker 5: like after I finally saw another person following me, the
Speaker 5: weight of it just I was kind of like, like,
Speaker 5: this sucks, but that but this is where we're at.
Speaker 4: All specifically, and not only him, said get your cameras out,
Speaker 4: because we would not have heard about Alex pretty if
Speaker 4: it weren't videoed. We would they would have never I
Speaker 4: mean we would have heard the name. Nobody would have known.
Speaker 4: They would have lied about it, which they did, and
Speaker 4: we would never known better. But get your phones out.
Speaker 4: And that's what's making Terry.
Speaker 6: I'm with you.
Speaker 8: I'm so frustrated because nothing seems to make a different runts.
Speaker 4: But that makes a difference because those people Rene good
Speaker 4: never would have been recognized.
Speaker 6: So just get out your.
Speaker 4: Phones and be part of the you know, the broadcast journalist,
Speaker 4: because it matters.
Speaker 6: It's it really is.
Speaker 4: It actually got the Alex pretty cell phone videos have
Speaker 4: gotten I pretty much out of Minneapolis because they got
Speaker 4: run out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the biggest, the biggest threat to this type
Speaker 1: of behavior is being witnessed to it and showing it.
Speaker 2: The New York Times did a really good post where
Speaker 2: they broke down all the video from that murderous frame
Speaker 2: by frame, and I think what's worried about it is
Speaker 2: I just I mean, it's so hard to watch and
Speaker 2: and but everyone should watch it because you can't. And
Speaker 2: this is where I'm talking about the politics again. I
Speaker 2: don't know how you show that to the wagging finger
Speaker 2: woman it Maybe she won't look at it, but if
Speaker 2: she could look at it, and when you see it
Speaker 2: the way the New York Times did it, you can't
Speaker 2: look at that and say anything other than this is
Speaker 2: not what should be happening. This is totally this guy
Speaker 2: had nothing, did nothing wrong, Like there's there's no fault
Speaker 2: on his.
Speaker 1: Part at all.
Speaker 2: Like this, We've got to change this behavior of this enforcement.
Speaker 5: You know, it's you know that the woman, you know,
Speaker 5: she's gonna sit there and tell you this is fake news,
Speaker 5: this is this is not real. This is you know
Speaker 5: some that's AI generated. You know, well, well Fox News
Speaker 5: told me this. I mean it's like you know that,
Speaker 5: and and Andrew, I see her head. I mean, that's
Speaker 5: that's We're so divided at this point. We are this
Speaker 5: and there are certain entities in this country that are
Speaker 5: so gleefully happy that we are this divided, you know,
Speaker 5: because this is their opportunity to get exactly what they want,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, just to go back real quick.
Speaker 5: You know when when I said get out there in
Speaker 5: March and put these faces out there, I mean it's
Speaker 5: also like do as much as you can that you're
Speaker 5: comfortable doing. You know, I'm comfortable putting myself out there.
Speaker 5: I don't like, what what do you dude? I grew
Speaker 5: up a certain way. Please, I'll be fine, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Like I've seen a lot of shit
Speaker 5: in my life. I can put myself out there on
Speaker 5: the front line and be there and be a face
Speaker 5: in the protest. But if you're somebody that's not comfortable
Speaker 5: with that, there are absolutely other ways calling your senator
Speaker 5: or getting onto one of these organizations and donating, donating time.
Speaker 5: I mean something as small like going for me. I
Speaker 5: went the other day and spent time with a friend
Speaker 5: of mine who's been shut up in her apartment for
Speaker 5: weeks because of her cultural background. You know that she's
Speaker 5: a part of you know, she's she's afraid to go outside.
Speaker 5: So I said, Hey, I haven't seen you in a while.
Speaker 5: Can we grab a coffee? Do you mind coming near me?
Speaker 5: There's a coffee shop I feel comfortable with. I was
Speaker 5: like absolutely, And so I sat there and we sat
Speaker 5: there for two hours, and afterwards she sent me a
Speaker 5: text and she was like, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 5: It meant a lot to me. And I was like, absolutely,
Speaker 5: And let's not forget that.
Speaker 4: In addition to all of those things you mentioned, vote
Speaker 4: work on a campaign, because if we don't change if
Speaker 4: the mid terms, if the House doesn't flip in the midterms,
Speaker 4: it's just gonna get worse because it's gonna give a
Speaker 4: stamp of approval to those guys, and they're just gonna
Speaker 4: it will escalate even more, and then of course that
Speaker 4: fire hose of Greenland and all of that craziness continues.
Speaker 4: But it's the House is very gettable, and so work
Speaker 4: on a campaign. Donate to you know, any kind of
Speaker 4: candidate that you believe in, even if they're Republican. There
Speaker 4: are good Republican candidates. I mean, there are good candidates
Speaker 4: all across the board. But work and vote and flip
Speaker 4: the House. Because once the House is flipped, then of
Speaker 4: course you'll have Trump will be impeached. May not be removed,
Speaker 4: of course, but at least it will check it. You know,
Speaker 4: Christy Nolan will be impeached. They can start, We'll have
Speaker 4: some voice, you know. And I'm not for smoke screening
Speaker 4: and like rampant impeachment, but there's got to be some
Speaker 4: guardrails have to be thrown up, and we can do that.
Speaker 6: We can do that in the.
Speaker 1: Midterms and do what we're doing here, which is talking
Speaker 1: to each other. I know that in this space we
Speaker 1: all feel very much aligned. But continuing to try, even
Speaker 1: though it feels impossible, it's certainly challenging to engage in
Speaker 1: conversations with people who feel like they are not aligned
Speaker 1: with you. But we have to. And I know that
Speaker 1: we all struggle with feeling like you know, with our
Speaker 1: podcast and with our platform and things like that. We
Speaker 1: certainly don't want to come across performative at all, which
Speaker 1: is what can happen. And I know we've even touched
Speaker 1: on that here in this conversation. But it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what you do. It doesn't matter in this case that
Speaker 1: we're actors, or that we know each other from a
Speaker 1: TV show or that we have a podcast. We're having
Speaker 1: this conversation because we're citizens of this country, because we care,
Speaker 1: because we're people, And it doesn't matter if that conversation
Speaker 1: is happening across your fence line with your neighbor, or
Speaker 1: at your dinner table, or at your supermarket or on
Speaker 1: a podcast. Have these conversations. We have to be talking
Speaker 1: to each other.
Speaker 2: Can I ask, like just a tiny bit tangentially for again,
Speaker 2: I think the benefit of many people who might be
Speaker 2: listening to us that obviously this is heavy and hard
Speaker 2: and exhausting, and you know, it pulls the life out
Speaker 2: of you. The emotions some people are so sensitive and
Speaker 2: they're just paralyzed. And I'm wondering maybe to start with you, Ricardo,
Speaker 2: since it sounds like this coffee, even something that small,
Speaker 2: is sort of a good example of this, but like,
Speaker 2: what can people do to take care of themselves and
Speaker 2: each other in times in the world where this is
Speaker 2: what's in front of us?
Speaker 5: You know up here? One thing that I've learned in
Speaker 5: this beautiful state that is Minnesota, the one thing that
Speaker 5: they still value is they value the concept of being
Speaker 5: a good neighbor. And I think that that's something that's like,
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's the person that's right next to
Speaker 5: you or the person that's in front of you in line,
Speaker 5: or just just to show that that that sense of
Speaker 5: kindness and also that sense of wanting to be neighborly
Speaker 5: by saying just a simple hire Hello. There's a lake
Speaker 5: that I go and walk all the time here, and
Speaker 5: I see so many familiar faces on that lake all
Speaker 5: the time, and usually we're ninety percent of the time
Speaker 5: you're just walking by each other as you're doing your walk.
Speaker 5: But as I've gone out there the past couple of times, everybody,
Speaker 5: everybody's like, hey, Hi, Hi, Hello, Because it's like making
Speaker 5: sure like I see you, you see me, we are
Speaker 5: familiar people with each other. You know that that whole
Speaker 5: sense of being a good neighbor, being an attentive neighbor,
Speaker 5: being a communicative, communicative neighbor, I think is something that
Speaker 5: we all can do right now.
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that. I used to call that the power
Speaker 2: of good mon That like when you like walking along
Speaker 2: and you just say, say, you know, I do that
Speaker 2: on my walk sometimes, and it's hilarious actually to me
Speaker 2: that I would say, three percent of the people ignore
Speaker 2: you completely and you just go like you know, like
Speaker 2: you're walking mind you go good morning, and they just
Speaker 2: go and you're like, wait, you know, and when somebody
Speaker 2: says back to me, good morning, and there's like this
Speaker 2: real acknowledgement and energy in two words of connection, you
Speaker 2: just you do have like this deep, deep, you know,
Speaker 2: heartfelt sense of oh that's humanity, we're connecting. Do anybody
Speaker 2: else have thoughts on that?
Speaker 7: I was going to say, I'll just share.
Speaker 3: I mean, I had a dinner last night actually with
Speaker 3: two of my best girlfriends, and normally we would go
Speaker 3: out somewhere or like go to a restaurant, and I
Speaker 3: think right now and maybe it was subconscious, but then
Speaker 3: we talked about it content this idea of wanting to
Speaker 3: just have these safe spaces.
Speaker 7: They just came over to my house.
Speaker 3: And we ordered in food and we opened a bottle
Speaker 3: of wine, and we ended up having some really long
Speaker 3: conversations about how to continue to live a life while
Speaker 3: you're grieving and while you're afraid, and while there's so
Speaker 3: much cosmic and global heaviness, and like then and then
Speaker 3: even you know, forget about whatever you have going on
Speaker 3: personally in your life, if that is personally heavy also.
Speaker 9: And by the end of the night, you know, we
Speaker 9: didn't come up with solutions, but just getting to sit
Speaker 9: together and share and be like, I'm going through this too,
Speaker 9: and you have a place of community, and we said,
Speaker 9: we said, you know, we're gonna make a point to
Speaker 9: do this once a week right now during this time,
Speaker 9: and we can invite however many friends we.
Speaker 7: Want over and it's not a party.
Speaker 3: It's just a place to gather and to witness each
Speaker 3: other and to really remind ourselves that we aren't alone.
Speaker 7: I think it can feel so easy in.
Speaker 3: Our houses and in our lives to go I'm alone
Speaker 3: in this experience or I'm alone in this fear and
Speaker 3: in this grief, and just to reach out and say, like, hey,
Speaker 3: come over, we can do nothing next to each other.
Speaker 7: We can just sit next to each other and do nothing.
Speaker 7: I think is so.
Speaker 3: Important right now. And it was really soul restorative last night.
Speaker 3: So I will offer that if it's helpful, and sort.
Speaker 6: Of on that same idea.
Speaker 4: And I know it's like a broken record, but part
Speaker 4: of the problem and the pain of this is the helplessness.
Speaker 4: Right you watch this happen, Terry. You're in tears because
Speaker 4: you see it happening. How is it happening? And I
Speaker 4: can't do anything. But what we can do is we
Speaker 4: can change the entire change the attitude of the country
Speaker 4: by voting and by working on campaigns or you're talking
Speaker 4: about Emerson, what you did, We used to do that.
Speaker 6: And while you're there, you.
Speaker 8: Can fill out cards for a candidate.
Speaker 6: Find the Canada.
Speaker 4: Look, we flipped Minnesota four and five and twenty eight
Speaker 4: because we were so I right, we couldn't believe that,
Speaker 4: you know, Trump had won and both four and five
Speaker 4: were red districts, and we got Dean Phillips and Angie
Speaker 4: Craig elected in that big wave literally handfuls of us
Speaker 4: that we're going to roll up our sleeves and flip
Speaker 4: these districts and we did.
Speaker 6: Granted Trump being elected.
Speaker 4: Helped, but it felt so good because you didn't feel powerless,
Speaker 4: you know, and you don't have to go out and
Speaker 4: if you're not uncomfortable going knocking on doors or you
Speaker 4: don't have to do any of that.
Speaker 6: There's so much to do that you can do in
Speaker 6: a small group over wine or lunch.
Speaker 4: And you also had that sense of community, but you
Speaker 4: don't feel powerless anymore.
Speaker 6: And it really is.
Speaker 4: It was the most rewarding thing I've ever done, flipping
Speaker 4: those two districts that we did, because you felt we
Speaker 4: did something, you know, we actually put our God off
Speaker 4: our couches and went and made something happen. And it
Speaker 4: feels so good to not feel helpless.
Speaker 1: Andrew oh Man, I just keep thinking about I'm obvious
Speaker 1: a freshly brand new mom and and so the thing
Speaker 1: that propels me forward and to maintain hope right now
Speaker 1: is to just look at my sweet little girl's face
Speaker 1: and know that I am going to do what I
Speaker 1: can to try to create a better world for her,
Speaker 1: and I owe that to her. I brought her here
Speaker 1: and and so that is my biggest propeller obviously right
Speaker 1: now into action. And I agree with everything that everyone
Speaker 1: has said. There are small ways to do things that
Speaker 1: are personal, that are just reaching out to the people
Speaker 1: you know that are in Minneapolis or that the people
Speaker 1: you know that feel scared wherever they are. And then
Speaker 1: there are bigger things that you can do. And you
Speaker 1: can write letters. If you don't want to make phone calls,
Speaker 1: you can obviously phone bank. I've done it a lot.
Speaker 1: It is so much easier. They streamline that process. You know,
Speaker 1: they give you a script and you can just you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's so many things that you can do locally.
Speaker 1: I love your idea, Terry of adopting a restaurant. I
Speaker 1: think supporting small businesses, especially those of minority groups right
Speaker 1: now is a huge way to help and direct your intent,
Speaker 1: you know, attention and your your resources. And I just
Speaker 1: i'm I'm I'm so glad we did this. I'm grateful
Speaker 1: to all of you for doing this and for you know,
Speaker 1: gathering together and using our voices and our relationships to talk.
Speaker 6: Me too.
Speaker 2: And this is you know, what family is, and like
Speaker 2: what Ricarda was, what you were saying about being neighborly.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're we're the neighbor We're the O G neighbors.
Speaker 2: CHRISTERI late, we got We're the exact right people to
Speaker 2: be having this conversation about how to be neighborly. And
Speaker 2: you know, just because you're here and because I'm sure
Speaker 2: fans of the show would love it and maybe we
Speaker 2: can have the tiniest bit of levity to the So
Speaker 2: the two of you, I know you you stay in contact.
Speaker 2: I know your friends. I don't know if like fans
Speaker 2: know who's actually friends in real life, so that might
Speaker 2: be interesting for them to know. But I was wondering
Speaker 2: if you guys have any memories of with Syria Lane
Speaker 2: that you want to share.
Speaker 5: I look, I mean, you know, my my memory is
Speaker 5: always the time that they they had my character go
Speaker 5: and stay over with with James's character.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 5: And we became like kind of like the odd couple
Speaker 5: bosom buddies. Uh and you know, sitting there watching football
Speaker 5: and drinking beer. And then like I think one time
Speaker 5: I had my character had a lady friend over and
Speaker 5: he kind of walked in on that if I remember correctly.
Speaker 5: But I always, I always wish that that could have
Speaker 5: like got it extended a little bit more because I
Speaker 5: realized just how much fun James is to work with,
Speaker 5: you know, and and and just a wonderful human being
Speaker 5: an actor. Uh and and that we've we've just we've
Speaker 5: kept in touch the whole time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's your reboot. That it's your reboot, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's pretty funny after all these years. You know
Speaker 8: that Ricardo and I we every now and then.
Speaker 4: You know, we call each other peanut, butter and jelly
Speaker 4: because that's what we were when we live together on
Speaker 4: the show. So I do think people are surprised and terry,
Speaker 4: you know, with us when I tell people that we're
Speaker 4: still friends, They're like, really after all this time.
Speaker 8: But yeah, some people you just can relate to really well,
Speaker 8: and you.
Speaker 4: Bond with and and the show was just such a
Speaker 4: gift that I just look at the idea that we're
Speaker 4: so all of us. Andrew, I haven't seen you in forever,
Speaker 4: and it was so great to reconnect to the podcast.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a real special it's kind of a
Speaker 4: special bottle. And we went through a lot of stuff together.
Speaker 4: It was a real life changer.
Speaker 2: It really was, well thank you guys for joining us,
Speaker 2: and we're going to make sure for everyone listening, we're
Speaker 2: gonna put up all of the ways that you can
Speaker 2: contact and support and you know, donate or get involved.
Speaker 2: And Ricardo, we just send you you lots of love
Speaker 2: and strength to you and to the entire community of Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: and and please do keep in touch. If new things
Speaker 2: come up in new ways that people can help, please
Speaker 2: let us know, because I really do love that personal connection.
Speaker 2: You feel like you can a family, or adopt a restaurant,
Speaker 2: or adopt a person, or adopt a church, or you know,
Speaker 2: like get involved with something specific and small that needs help.
Speaker 6: So thanks for doing.
Speaker 5: Very much. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and we just want to say if any
Speaker 3: of you are listening in Minneapolis, our hearts are deeply,
Speaker 3: deeply with you. For the rest of us, let's please
Speaker 3: keep helping where we can and supporting those who need
Speaker 3: our voice and our strength. There's there's so much that
Speaker 3: we can do right now, and sometimes just telling people
Speaker 3: that you're there with them and insolidarity with them means
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 1: And looking ahead, we hope you will join us next
Speaker 1: week for another episode of Desperately devoted. We have an
Speaker 1: incredible guest with us, and I'll give you a little tease.
Speaker 1: She is the longest running cough cough not desperate housewife
Speaker 1: on television, so you will not want to miss that.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for this podcast and for the idea
Speaker 2: that we get to be neighborly with you, because being
Speaker 2: a good neighbor is sometimes the best thing you can be.
Speaker 2: And we will see you and talk to you and
Speaker 2: be there for you to listen to you next week
Speaker 2: because we are always desperately devoted to you.