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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Sophia Bush here Welcome to Work in Progress,

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Speaker 1: where I talked to people who inspire me about how

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Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think

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Speaker 1: they're still going. Oh god, guys, I'm so excited about today.

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Speaker 1: I think that this is actually the first work in

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Speaker 1: progress interview with someone that I've been on a show with,

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Speaker 1: and it was hands down one of the most fun

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Speaker 1: filming experiences I have ever had in my life. Jacqueline

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Speaker 1: Tiboni is an amazing actress who I got to work

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Speaker 1: with on the Netflix show Easy. If you haven't seen

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Speaker 1: it yet, you should go watch. You're welcome. It was

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Speaker 1: so much fun to have my co star and my

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Speaker 1: now dear friend on the pod to learn more about

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Speaker 1: her childhood. Jacklin grew up in San Francisco and went

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Speaker 1: to Catholic school. To hear how she landed her first

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Speaker 1: acting job while still in college. Casual here about her

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Speaker 1: time working on Grim, also working with the amazing Joe Swanberg,

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Speaker 1: our writer and director on Easy, and now she is

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Speaker 1: starring in the L word Generation que. I was so

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Speaker 1: thrilled to talk about how everything in life has led

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Speaker 1: her to this moment and what it means to be

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Speaker 1: forging a path with a new queer identity. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to watch her on that show. Enjoy my friend, Jacqueline. Well, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming. So I would hope that every single

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Speaker 1: person who's listening to this has seen our episode of Easy,

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Speaker 1: but who knows. And if you didn't, listeners, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it because that people are always like,

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Speaker 1: how do you know these people? And we for anyone

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Speaker 1: who saw it and anyone who didn't. Jacqueline I worked

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Speaker 1: together on this amazing show called Easy. It's a Netflix series.

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Speaker 1: This fantastic writer and director named Joe Swanberg created the show.

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Speaker 1: It's an anthology about sex and relationships and how to

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Speaker 1: make those things work technology not ours, sex relationships, technology, marriage, family, eating, dating.

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Speaker 1: I guess yea and yeah, so we got to do

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Speaker 1: that together in Chicago. You and Kirsy started on that

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Speaker 1: show in its first season, so there's an episode for

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Speaker 1: your characters every season, and then I came in and

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Speaker 1: helped to stir it up. It was great. It was

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Speaker 1: so much fun. I think. Also, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: because everybody loves you and you have so many fans,

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Speaker 1: but I've never been recognized as much as I did

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Speaker 1: third season easy, even in the first and second seasons,

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Speaker 1: Like I went to Pride and I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I'm very overwhelm by how many people watched

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Speaker 1: this episode. And I think it's because I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I one of my favorite memes that I saw was like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course we're here to give you what

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Speaker 1: it's too cool. Um okay, So before you became a

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Speaker 1: Jacqueline as a kid? I know you grew up in

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Speaker 1: a video of this? I don't know. I hope so

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Speaker 1: We got to talk to your mom. Yeah, I've actually

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, very fun. I loved it. And I'm

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Speaker 1: I did and I won, and I win. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: My parents are the best. They're so sweet. Their names

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Speaker 1: my god, maryan Joseph, super Catholic, super loving, Irish, and Italian.

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Speaker 1: I my mom and my sister handled bullies very differently

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Speaker 1: just come off of a college schedule where I was

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00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: writing papers and now I'm making a TV show and

430
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: I had an apartment and lived alone. Like what it

431
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: was so crazy? Was it a thing? Yeah, to just

432
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: like pick up and move to Portland and just be yeah,

433
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: I think. I Mean, the biggest difference I feel like

434
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: in those stories for us is that number one, I

435
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: was coming on it a show where everybody was like

436
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: ten years older than man. So they number one had

437
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: like their own lives going on, and number two were

438
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: like down to teach me and help me, and we're

439
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: like older siblings as opposed to be I mean, they

440
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: became my best friends, but like that yours as much scarier.

441
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: We had everybody's showing one and it's like, oh God,

442
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: should this actually be a reality show? Like I can't imagine.

443
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: And obviously I say that with love, like we can

444
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: call each other that if anyone ever called one of

445
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: my co workers an idiot, I would kill them. But

446
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: like we we laugh about it now and and and

447
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: we'll sit when we were together and talk about how

448
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: absurd it is that we were just unleashed, we knew nothing,

449
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: like we were so naive. Yeah. Wow, And then everybody

450
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: had getting money at that age. I can't. That's crazy

451
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: to me too. My Coot stars were like, whatever you do,

452
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: save your money, go buy some you know, giving me

453
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: that sort of advice. It wasn't let's go a party,

454
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: it was don't spend your money on party. You know.

455
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: They were really amazing. Wow. Yeah, I read this article

456
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: where Taggi p Hensen was talking about how she advised

457
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: all the young kids on Empire and it's like invest

458
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: in real estate, don't spend your money by art, like

459
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: don't buy clothes, don't And I'm like, man, where were

460
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: these people for us? Where were these people? But that's

461
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: so cool. So what what was it like jumping into

462
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: that show? Who who was Trouble? Like, what was her vibe?

463
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: Trouble was like kind of hilarious. A homeless teen that

464
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: could see monsters but didn't know. I thought she was crazy.

465
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: So she comes into this world and they're like, oh no,

466
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: you're actually a grim. You're like me, let me help

467
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: you and like guide you, which is sort of what

468
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: was happening on the show. You know, behind the scenes

469
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: was these people were like this is a Mark hit it.

470
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: You know, I knew how to act, but I didn't

471
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: know how to act on TV. So yeah, I mean

472
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I was thinking about Grim recently because of

473
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: this new job in them on and I was like

474
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: asking the camera something and I was like, wow, it's

475
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: so crazy that I know that now, Like then, I'm

476
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: so aware of how to be on a set and

477
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: help everyone out and communicate because it is a bunch

478
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: of moving pieces and if you get on the train

479
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: it runs a lot smoother. But also no one can

480
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: ask you to get on the train because you're an actor.

481
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: Do you know this mentality and set there like I

482
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: don't want you to have to worry about camera because

483
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: you're acting, and I'm like, I know, but I also

484
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: want this acting to be on on this on every

485
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: single take. I wanted to have the opportunity to It's

486
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: an interesting thing because it has to be an ultimately

487
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: free experience. But it's so technical, and when you think

488
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: about it, it's sort of like holding a chair. You know,

489
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: there are basic chairs that are fine and they do

490
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: their job, but then there are chairs that are pieces

491
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: of art, but a chair still has to hold up

492
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: a body, so they have to be technically an architecturally sound,

493
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: and then they can be as artistic as possible within

494
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: the medium of holding a person up off the ground.

495
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: And I think about what we do that way, and

496
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, oh, I remember when they when they gave

497
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: me my first mark, And like, for listeners who are

498
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: listening to us talk about this going, what are they

499
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: talking about? A mark is literally they put essentially like

500
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: a t shape of tape on the floor, neon tape,

501
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: and every actor has a color of tape, so it

502
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: basically becomes like the dance floor choreography of the whole scene.

503
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: And the first time they gave me a mark, I

504
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: was like, what do I do with this? You know?

505
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: The camera syst It was like, your toes have to

506
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: hit on either side of that. I was like, okay,

507
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: gotta gotta cut it. And now I can literally glance

508
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: at a mark out of the corner of my eye

509
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: and hit it, not looking walking backwards. Yeah, I understand

510
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: exactly where the camera's moving. How to save time. Oh

511
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: if we do this and we move from this place

512
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: into this place on that camera will save two setups

513
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: and let's you know, let's get the day going. And

514
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: you become an expert at technicality and you almost don't

515
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: even realize it. And it's so cool, Yeah, because it

516
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: gets so much more free once you know everything and

517
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: you can do it because you're not worried about that

518
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: stuff anymore because it's second nature. Yeah, this is this

519
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: is the first job I've really felt that on. That's

520
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: like where I'm like, I was like, oh, wow, I

521
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: know I can see that they can that. I need

522
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: to wait for her to cross this before I give

523
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: her the line. You know. Yeah, it's interesting and you

524
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: really do. That's how you become such a team player,

525
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: because look, we've all probably worked with people who have

526
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: no interest in doing the technical side any favors. They're

527
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: just like I have to be able to do what's

528
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: in the moment. But I find that that's so much

529
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: more rare. And I love working with people who I

530
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: want to make the work as good as possible, but

531
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: who also know how to do favors to the you know,

532
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: like even in some of our scenes and easy, like

533
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: when people see two human beings having like a love

534
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: scene together, it's so you have to be so in

535
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: it and so conscious of where the camera is, and like,

536
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody who watches it would think that

537
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: you and I were marking where the cameras were. Oh

538
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: my gosh, you have to people talk about I forget

539
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: who I was talking to about sex scenes, but they're

540
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: not sexy. Everybody thinks sex scenes are like hot and

541
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: steamy and like that's how actors fall in love with

542
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: each other. But it's like really technical and kind of

543
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: like scary, and you're like, I hope I'm staying outside

544
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: of the modesty things, and it's actually not. It's like

545
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: the most unnatural sex you've ever had, not actually sex,

546
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, well, it's also a funny thing

547
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: to sit down with somebody and be like, okay, let's

548
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: go through the basics, how are we going to do this,

549
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Who's going to touch you?

550
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: Where is it going to go? What are you comfortable with?

551
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: Our conversations? Scene was so funny and you just have

552
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: to do there's no there's weirdly like you have to

553
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: throw all your modesty out the window, but you also

554
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: double down on respect and you figure out how to

555
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: take care of your coworker. Yeah, but it's like people

556
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, it's so hot, and you're like, literally,

557
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to move my hair out of the way

558
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: so that the camera gets their shot and there's somebody

559
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: talking to us, but like that gets taken out in

560
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: the edit and you don't know, and it's just so funny.

561
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: It's so so, so so funny. So before we get

562
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: into that show, moving through and learning and kind of

563
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: cutting your teeth on Graham, did that start to inform

564
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: for you as an actor what kind of characters you

565
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: wanted to play, what you wanted to do in TV?

566
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 1: You know what, what sort of your evolution as an

567
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: artist while you're getting to grow up on a TV show.

568
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: I sort of wanted to do theater. I was planning

569
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: on moving to Chicago and hopefully being like a stepping

570
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: wolf sort of apprentice, and then hopefully eventually living in

571
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: a suburb of Chicago and being an actor, like a

572
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: theater actor. And then this just went the opposite way.

573
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I signed with someone and moved to l A right

574
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: after that, and then would fly back and forth for

575
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: from Portland. So like when I first came to l

576
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: A after Graham, I started to realize that all of

577
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: my assets and theater were not assets in the TV industry.

578
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: My deep voice, my height, how I handled myself confidently

579
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: in a room. They would a lot of people would

580
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, she's just like I mean. I

581
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: would go in to an audition to play a woman

582
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: who's addicted to drugs and has like a dark past,

583
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: and I'd go in and I do the audition. I'd

584
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: come out and my manager, Big the casting director thinks

585
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: you're just like a little rough, And I'm like, how

586
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: do you play that character and not be rough? Like

587
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to go in and be like, hey,

588
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: guys and then just switch into this performance. Yeah. So

589
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily understand that, like I have to please

590
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: people in the room, and I didn't I just have

591
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: never done that. I'll like connect with people in the room,

592
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: but I'm not there to make you like me. I'm

593
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: here to like you know, make you like my take

594
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: on this character. But it can't be mean to someone.

595
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm always like such a hym anyway, No, I get it.

596
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: I have that too. I think auditioning is the weirdest

597
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: process in the world. I'm like, listen, if you want

598
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: to get to know me and see if I'm a

599
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: cool coworker, let's go have a drink or like, go

600
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: grab a launch or coffee or something. The room is

601
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: not my place to to your point, to please you

602
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: and to show you my hang out attitude. I'm just

603
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: here to do the job. And if I'm in the

604
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: headspace of the job, I don't want to come out

605
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: of it to have a chat. Right. It's weird, right, Yeah.

606
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: If the purpose for me the audition should be to

607
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: see if I can act, the addition should not be,

608
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, to see if I can if I can

609
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: hold a conversation with you, like I'm very intelligent to

610
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: all the conversation. Ye please come on, hello, listen to

611
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: this podcast. You know what I'm saying. You're like, listen,

612
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm clearly very charming. Ask anyone has ever worked for me.

613
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: But so, so you're going back and forth, You're you're

614
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: doing all of this, and what's what's like coming your way,

615
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: what's what's showing up for you? In general? I'm just

616
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: curious about how playing that character, what that begins, because

617
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: that starts to sort of set a tone for you,

618
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: obviously in people's awareness of you. So what starts to happen? Yeah,

619
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, let's see my first film. My first job

620
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: after that was two days on a movie and I'll

621
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: tell you what I say. And I worked two days

622
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: with this amazing female director and I was immediately like, oh, wow,

623
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: this is my person. How how do I work with

624
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: this person? Because she's so incredible? And that woman's name

625
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: is margin Lewis Ryan and she is the showrunner of

626
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: the out Word Generation QUE. So yeah, so that was

627
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: five years ago. You knew then. I just knew that.

628
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't know if I want

629
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: to be you or want to work with you or

630
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: what because she was just so on top of it,

631
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: and she spoke. She also comes from the theater background,

632
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: so the shorthand right away was there, and she just

633
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: like saw me and got me, and I think to

634
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: see like a woman and a queer woman in her position,

635
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, yeah, let's can I get

636
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: you a coffee? I'll be your assistant. We ended up

637
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: working together a couple more times, and I did a

638
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: play with her last year, which was amazing Tidy Salzman,

639
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: who's one of the best actors I've ever worked with.

640
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: And then now we're doing that's so cool. And then yeah,

641
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: and so obviously between im an L word easy comes along.

642
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: And what I think is so fun is that when

643
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I people ask about the show and they're so curious

644
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: about how it's shot, and it seems so natural, and

645
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: when I tell people that there's no script, everybody freaks out.

646
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: The reaction is always what are you talking about? You know?

647
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: And and to talk about how Joe writes an outline

648
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: for every episode so we know exactly what scenes were shooting.

649
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Although you and I added a scene for our characters,

650
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: which I'm stoked made it, but you know, there's this

651
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: outline and then there are scene objectives. So he'll write

652
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of dialogue and say, you know, I

653
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: essentially need you to tell her this, and she needs

654
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: to tell you that, but it's really just us talking talking. Yeah,

655
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: And it's also like hope to god you get along

656
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: with the damn person. Like, if you guys have zero chemistry,

657
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: even friendship chemistry, you're kind of screwed. Yeah, it would

658
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: be horrible. We did really well considering we hate each other,

659
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: so well considering the band of my existence. No, I

660
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: think immediately when I met you, I was so nervous

661
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: because Joe Joe I had been working on that episode

662
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: a little bit, because we'll call each other in between

663
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: seasons and be like, hey, what's going on in your life?

664
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: And I'll be like this, this and this, and he's like, okay,

665
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: that's interesting because you could just connect to it more. So.

666
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: The first season was just like I came on and

667
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: was like, hey, sure, whatever you want me to do.

668
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: Like I and was so nervous and thought it was

669
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: like funny improv, you know, like I was coming from

670
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: like a UCB sort of thing. And he was like,

671
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: stop doing that. It's not funny and it's not good.

672
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: He would never say that, but I was like okay,

673
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: and then he sort of started to get it anyway.

674
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: By season three called me. He was like, oh, you know,

675
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this person should maybe be your love interest.

676
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, who is it was?

677
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: He was like, secually that works on the show in Chicago. Um,

678
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, he's like Sophia Bush and

679
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I was like an actress that works on a show

680
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I was like, are you kidding me? Such

681
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: a fan? Oh my god, wait, I'm hearing this for

682
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: the first time. I'm like, blessing you that. Yeah, no,

683
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: of course no. I like definitely watched John Tucker Must

684
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: Die so many times and One Tree Hill and I

685
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, a fan of yours. So it's

686
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: always nerve racking to meet someone that you're gonna work

687
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: with that you know but like can't. It's like this

688
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: weird like whatever. And I was like, start of freaking

689
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: out walk into the restaurant to meet you, Andra, and

690
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: you just opened your arms and gave me a huge hug,

691
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: and all my worries just diticipated. You just have this

692
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: effect on people where you're just like, at least on me,

693
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: where you just put me at ease and immediately I

694
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: feel like the best, most confident version of myself. Thanks.

695
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you did the same for me because I

696
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: have to say, as such a fan of the show,

697
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: coming into a space that I respect with people who

698
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: I think are killing it and having it be such

699
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: a different medium and just going okay, so literally there's

700
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: no script. Okay, okay, okay. Cool. I I was nervous too,

701
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: and I think something that was really helpful for me

702
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: in playing Alexandria. You know, Joe and I named her

703
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: that because we're both obsessed with this documentary filmmaker named

704
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: Alexandria Bomback. Literally she is my brain crush, and she

705
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: you guys should honestly look up her film. She made

706
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: this incredible movie called Frame by Frame about the ap journalists,

707
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: the photojournalists who were working in Afghanistan shooting photos of

708
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: the conflict while the Taliban had outlawed photography. I mean

709
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: literally putting their lives at risk. These people are heroes.

710
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: The documentary is insane. And then she did a doc

711
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: called On Her Shoulders about Nadia Muraud, who won the

712
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize this year. She's an activist who has

713
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: gone out advocating for the z D community that has

714
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: been essentially enslaved and is suffering a genocide at the

715
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: hands of isis. I mean, like, Alexandria is the realist

716
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: of the real when it comes to using your art

717
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: to affect change. And so thanks to our show and

718
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: to Joe, I got to sit on the phone with

719
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: her for two hours and talk to her about every

720
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: film festival I've ever been to where I've seen her movies.

721
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: So I did not play it as cool as you.

722
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: I fangirled her so hard. Um. But we talked so

723
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: much about the process of making docs and what the

724
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: travel looks like in the schedules, and and she was

725
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: so generous with her time and vulnerability to really talk

726
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: to me about what a toll it takes. So at

727
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: least going into our first scenes where you know, my

728
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: character Alex is talking to your character Joe and giving you,

729
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, editing notes, I was like, oh, I know,

730
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: now I'm in, like I have all the technical terms

731
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: for all of this. And and a little bit of

732
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: even directing on the last couple of seasons of One

733
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: Tree Hill was helpful because I would edit my episodes.

734
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: So the combo of understanding and editing Bay and then

735
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: understanding all of the stuff from Alexandria gave me things

736
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: to talk about. But I still was like, I don't

737
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: know how to do this? Is it good? And you

738
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: were so great. You were like, you're killing it. This

739
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: is amazing. I was like, but this is your first season.

740
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: This is bullshit, my first season. I was like, dude,

741
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: um um, I'm not sure if can I say that.

742
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, the cameras rolling, please speak like

743
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: you were so good and knowledgeable. You just come from

744
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: a place. You're so well spoken in your life that

745
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: I think when the cameras turned on, it really just

746
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: flowed naturally. And I mean I was sweating. I felt

747
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: like it was a sort of like baptism and fire.

748
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: But it was great, And yeah, I don't know, it's

749
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: such a cool It's such a cool experience to be

750
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: able to do that. And I think Joe is so smart,

751
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: and you guys were so incredibly welcoming, you know, you

752
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: and Kirsy and Jazz, who had been doing these episodes

753
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: together every season, and we spent two days of social

754
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: time together. And I mean, what I love is I

755
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: don't know how to small talk for anyone who hasn't

756
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: figured that out yet, Like people don't understand what I

757
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: do with my Instagram. I think now people are understanding

758
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: from the podcast that I love to have deep conversations.

759
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: I don't get the other thing. I'm not like, Hey,

760
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: how are you? I don't, I don't know. And you

761
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: guys jumped in and I mean within four hours, like

762
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: we were trading war stories from life. Yeah. God, that

763
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: was like right off the bat, and that doesn't happen

764
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: with everybody, but when you really click with people, and

765
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that that gave us spaces

766
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: to go in some of the conversations, like when we're

767
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: at the bar, Joe gave us real beer, and I

768
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: mean he just let the camera roll that that conversation

769
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: I thought was that it was there we go where

770
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: it is conversation. Maybe even weren't. Yeah, he let the

771
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: camera roll for twenty five minutes and we just talked

772
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: about life and I think the only objectives we'd had

773
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: a conversation when we were all hanging out over dinner

774
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: and I said something along the lines of my observation

775
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: about how when someone needs alone time, it's not time

776
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: away from you, it's just time alone. And Joe was

777
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: like that thing you said, I want you to talk

778
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: to her about that, but figure it out in terms

779
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: of this breakup and make sure you talk to her

780
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: about your ex girlfriend so she knows you're gay too.

781
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's all my direction for Okay,

782
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: here we got. It's so scary, but it's so fun. Yeah,

783
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: it is. It's so freeing, and that's what makes it

784
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: so scary, I think. And I would say Easy has

785
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: had the biggest impact on who I am as an

786
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: actor than any other job, because it really is like, well,

787
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: just play like you have to just be really free.

788
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, including in auditions. You can't try

789
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: to guess what the other people want. You hear that

790
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: a lot, but you also just have to show them

791
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: what you would bring to the character, like a lot

792
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: of it is you in any given circumstances. So Easy

793
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: sort of taught me that because watching and I was like, oh,

794
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: the most interesting parts are and you're released of what

795
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: you think is going to be a perfect thing. Yeah,

796
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: and not having dialogue to stick to when when you

797
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: do have people who are good and who are really

798
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: capable of showing up and being vulnerable even in the

799
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: face of that feeling scary. Not having dialogue I think

800
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: is so freeing because you're not subconsciously married to where

801
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: the scene is going to go, so you really get

802
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: to see it unfold. And Yeah, it has certainly changed

803
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: the way that I think about certain things. I was on.

804
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: I was away with some friends recently and my buddy

805
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: Max is also an actor, and he was getting ready

806
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: for this really important audition and I was like, let's

807
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: run the scene, let's break it down, and he was like,

808
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. I was like, dude, just

809
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: this is like I don't love getting ready for my

810
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: own auditions, but this is my spiritual gift. Like, let's

811
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: do this. And we pulled this scene apart. And and

812
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: I saw so many things in opportunities where he had

813
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: to go because I know him and I know what

814
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: he could bring to it. And I saw him in

815
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: a barbecue actually yesterday, and he was like, they're bringing

816
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: me into test on it, actually, kid, And I was like, yes.

817
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: And I think about that stuff differently since our working experience, too,

818
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: which is so fun. Yeah. I also love that I

819
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: love shaping for people. I love like coaching people for auditions. Yeah,

820
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: do you think I might be better at that than

821
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: then actual actor because it allows us all the play

822
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: with none of the pressure. When I can help someone

823
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: else get ready for an audition. I'm like, oh my god,

824
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm so good at my job. I just the pressure

825
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: is so overwhelming and has such an effect on like

826
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: your entire day. If you really want something, it's terrible. Okay,

827
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: So that I want to talk to you about because

828
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: in in the history of our friendship, I know how

829
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: much you wanted the L word. We talked so much

830
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: about this. When it came up, I was like, it's

831
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: your show. It's meant to be I fucking know it.

832
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm having a witchy moment. This belonged

833
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: to you. No one else will get this. And you

834
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: were like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

835
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: And you wanted it. And there's obviously a lot of

836
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: pressure on when you really want something and you know

837
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: something's right for you. So how did you surmount the

838
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: pressure and go in and get your dream job? Oh? Man?

839
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: First of all, it was something that I could not

840
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: stop talking about. It was on my mind all of

841
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: the time. It was like consuming all of my thoughts

842
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't stop word vomiting about how much

843
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: I wanted it. And then it finally got to the

844
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: day I went in and I just I know the

845
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: casting director pretty well so and he John McClary, is

846
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: a genius. He is the best casting corector in Los

847
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: Angeles in my mind. And he makes you feel so

848
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: comfortable to do whatever you want to do and give

849
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: you as much as many opportunities as you want to

850
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: do them. And I just went in and I had

851
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: a freaking blast. I mean, this character is that's what

852
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: you have to do. You really can't think. She's not

853
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: a thinker. So her Jim Finley, she's a former professional

854
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: athlete and not basketball, volleyball, not volleyball. I don't think

855
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: I could say, Okay, okay, cool, cool, don't tell us

856
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I love a secret, Okay, leave them morning more. You

857
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: know that? Yeah, exactly, But she basically she did that

858
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: in your entire life. And now it's just like as

859
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: zero structure. It's a ball of fun, never stops moving.

860
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: And I think if she slows down at all, she'll

861
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: have to confront some stuff, some shame. She grew up

862
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: really religious, and so that's a huge thing. That's that's

863
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: a huge theme. That's kind of an interesting parallel. Yeah,

864
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean she grew up Catholic. I think

865
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of differences, but there's a lot of similarities.

866
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna you're gonna see the show they go, wow,

867
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: that's an elevation ad version of Jacqueline in a lot

868
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: of ways, storyline is not really the same. You know,

869
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: my parents are really supportive of who I am, and

870
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, Finley, I don't know. I

871
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: don't know how much I can say. I like it.

872
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: It's a teaser. And why why is it called generation Q?

873
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: What is the L word? Generation que? Well, I think

874
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: you know the original L word. There's a letter l Q.

875
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: I think this time around it's a lot more inclusive.

876
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: It's more queer. It's more queer, I think, and not

877
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: even like in characters. There's more queer characters and not

878
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: just you know, gay women, says women. But they're also

879
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, Marge is really interesting, interested in casting transactors

880
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: as CIS characters, and she's trying to go above and

881
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: beyond and be even more progressive than having a show

882
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: that is inclusive and seeing faces that represent more people.

883
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: She's trying to push push the need a little bit further.

884
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: That's super cool. Oh yeah, she's a badass. Everyone is

885
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: so awesome. I'm so happy to be um. You know

886
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: in this club. I would have as obsessed with the show.

887
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: It's like a dream come true. Yeah, it's the coolest

888
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: when you talk about the similarities between you and Thinly,

889
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about your upbringing, but we didn't

890
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: really get into the sort of identity stuff as a kid.

891
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: What is it like growing up in Catholic school and

892
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: being a queer kid. I just didn't even like allow

893
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: myself to think that, Like I truly I think looking back,

894
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: maybe no, not even I just didn't realize sort of

895
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: it was just not I didn't allow it to come

896
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: into my head at all until college. Really, and I

897
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: think looking back in high school, oh, maybe that girl

898
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: that like I wanted to be friends with but would

899
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: get really hot around, Like maybe you should have, like

900
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, looked into that. But I'm sort of happy

901
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: I didn't because it was like a protective instinct. I think, like, oh,

902
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: it still gives me the he the thought of potentially

903
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: coming out in high school, like I didn't even there

904
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: wasn't a struggle and that for me at all, But

905
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: it was certainly really scary in college and then all

906
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: that was happening, and I got this job, and it

907
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: felt like, oh God, I'm not gonna be accepted by

908
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: the industry. I'm not gonna have as much opportunity if

909
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: I come out. And it used to like every interview

910
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: I would sit down and I just get like just

911
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: so hot throughout my entire testment, Like, oh my god,

912
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 1: what if they asked me for my sexuality. I don't

913
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: want to, like tom, but I don't want to lie,

914
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: and I don't even know yet. I'm really like a

915
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of it was like I'm just confused, Like I

916
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: don't even know how to talk about it or what

917
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: label to use, because I mean, I feel like gayer

918
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: than I am straight, But none of my relationships with men,

919
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: even in my adulthood, have felt fraudulent at all, So

920
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Am I buy? I don't feel like that.

921
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, I think I'll end up with a woman.

922
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: But how do you say that and not steal somebody's

923
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: label or or have have to like go back on

924
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: it in the future. I was really scared about that. So, yeah,

925
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere on that bloody spectrum. It would be so

926
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: nice if instead of having to have such a specific label.

927
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: It could just be like, what's your number like on

928
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: the Kinsey scale, Yeah, like a strong five. Yeah, you're like,

929
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm a five. I'm like mom was strong too, you know,

930
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: perfect great, like meat somewhere in the middle of perfect.

931
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean our characters met in the middle. It was

932
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: a dream. But yeah, it's like why not, you know,

933
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: but I get it. I would imagine when whenever where

934
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: you fall is farther from what has been stereotyped as

935
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: quote normal or average or whatever, You're like, what's this

936
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: going to mean? You know, the more the more descriptors

937
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: you have to put on who you are that could

938
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: be used against you, it's scary, and like it's already

939
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: scary to be a woman, like that's used against us

940
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: all the time. It's also kind of great in a

941
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I mean, your new show is going

942
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: to be great. I can't wait. So good. And then

943
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: what like with your parents and family, Like they all

944
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: just seem like the coolest people. Yeah, they're great. You

945
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: eventually talk to them about it through like like red

946
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: hot anxiety. I like, check my parents out to dinner,

947
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: and I mean, to be honest, they took me out

948
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: to dinner I was sitting there and you know, trying

949
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: to work up the courage to be like, Okay, you know,

950
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: this is what's going on in my life. And my

951
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: mom started talking about like work and something my dad

952
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: and I were both really interested in. My dad gets

953
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: his wallet and gets his and we kind of like

954
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: are finishing up and walking out the door, and my

955
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: dad gets up and I was like, wait. He's like,

956
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: but I think, can you just sit down for a second?

957
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: And uh he sat back down, and I was thinking, so, um,

958
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: you know this is going on. This is I'm gonna

959
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: start like dating women. And I hope you guys you

960
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: know our chill and my It was really cute. My

961
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: mom was just like love is love, Love is love,

962
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: and she's such a sweetheart, and she sort of knew

963
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: I had talked to her previously about a little bit.

964
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: My dad was like, oh, I don't really care who

965
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: you married, just as long as you don't settle. Just

966
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: married some when you really love, because like otherwise it's

967
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna be super hard to raise a family if you

968
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: don't really really love the person, Like I got so

969
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: lucky with your mom, So just make sure you don't

970
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: at all not I don't really care. And I was like,

971
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: oh sick. Great. Yeah, so it's been nice and yeah,

972
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: they all met my girlfriend recently and it was it

973
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: was great that I love it. My Yeah, my parents,

974
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: My parents are pretty cool. They called me after they

975
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: watched our episode and my mom was like steam me

976
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: and she was like, do you want to talk about anything.

977
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, Mom, relaxed. We sold it. We we

978
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: sold it. I was like, no, I'm I'm just looking

979
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: to like date a guy who's not an idiot, and

980
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of idiots around, so like, give me

981
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: some time. But yeah, I was very very cute and

982
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: and it was actually kind of sweet because my dad,

983
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, my dad's an artist, he's a photographer. You

984
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: were in the industry for forty years. I grew up

985
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: in a very queer, diverse, amazing community of artists here

986
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: in l A. And you know, in the eighties and

987
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: the nineties, Like, it was a real moment. And my

988
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: dad was so sweet. He was like, I just think

989
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: this would have been so meaningful. I think about so

990
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: many of my friends who were so mistreated by their

991
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: families and people who really struggled to just be who

992
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: they are and love who they love, and I'm really

993
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: glad the kids have shows like the ones you guys

994
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: are making. And I was like, it was like I

995
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: literally have tears of mind, Like it was so sweet

996
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: and it's and it's true. It's like, you know, I

997
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: think about Easy winning glad Awards, like it's a big

998
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: deal to just let people explore who they are. Yeah,

999
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: and I'm excited for the new gig to do it. Yeah.

1000
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a little bit different, which I

1001
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: think is great. I think when you have a bunch

1002
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: of queer characters, you have more opportunity, like we're talking

1003
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: about before, exploring not just the struggle with the queer

1004
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: identity and not to like bogged down and psychological, but

1005
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: just like queer lives and successful ones and happy ones,

1006
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: and you know what comes out of that just life,

1007
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: just life with relationships and ups and downs and joy

1008
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: and silliness and all the things. These characters are, especially

1009
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: the gen Q characters, they're extremely approachable. Like, I think

1010
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: people will see themselves in Finlay, and I don't know

1011
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: if that will be a totally positive thing, you know,

1012
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: it'll be like I think there will be a mirror

1013
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: held up a little bit and really exciting way. If

1014
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: that makes sense, I love that. That's super cool. Well,

1015
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: I have a final question for you. You know, I

1016
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: think from the outside, for so many people who are

1017
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: doing cool things in the world, it can look like

1018
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: you have everything figure your doubt ye, But I in

1019
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: all my experience, everyone is working on something or trying

1020
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: to figure something out. And I'm curious at this stage,

1021
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, you've it feels like you're really on like

1022
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: the steady climb, and it's so special as your friend

1023
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: to watch, and I'm curious what it feels like a

1024
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: work in progress in the midst of all this great

1025
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: change to you right now? I think, right now my

1026
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: relationships are a work in progress. I think a lot

1027
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: of my friendships, when you start to get really busy,

1028
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: like with the show or in a relationship, I think

1029
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you forget what grounds you a little bit, and

1030
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: you forget to pump love, end time and energy into

1031
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: your friendships when really, at the end of the day,

1032
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: those those are what has have kept you afloat for

1033
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: the for me at least the last ten years. So

1034
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: I think just time management and giving love there, and

1035
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: also I'm working on listening. I think on this set particularly,

1036
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: I have so many incredible people to learn from, and

1037
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: I think I already know they're going to change my life,

1038
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: and I just want to be mindful and listen and learn.

1039
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: That's so cool, all right? What's he working for? Gus?

1040
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Um do you don't want to answer?

1041
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: Is that like a finale? No? Not at all. I mean,

1042
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: it's it's constantly evolving, you know. I think right now

1043
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: for me, it's it's figuring out. I'm pretty clear on

1044
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: what I want, and what I realize is I've my

1045
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: entire adult life has been about making so much compromise

1046
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: for work or having to move somewhere I don't want

1047
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: to move, or being away or whatever. So I've I've

1048
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: been trained to make the best of any situation because

1049
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: I like to be happy, or at least try to be.

1050
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: And I think what I'm working on right now is

1051
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out when something that's close to what

1052
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: I want but not what I want shows up, to

1053
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: not settle for it, or to not bend my desire

1054
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: or my standards to accommodate for something that maybe isn't

1055
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: all the way there yet, to to not get so

1056
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: invested in the potential of something, because as an optimist,

1057
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: that's very easy for me to see potential and go yeah,

1058
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna work. Yeah, rather than really saying no, no,

1059
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: only what is big enough or right enough deserves to

1060
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: be in my space, whether that's from a relationship, whether

1061
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: that's from my next project. You know, not taking or

1062
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Speaker 1: settling for what's close, but really holding steadfast to what

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Speaker 1: I deserve to be right. Wow. Okay, I have one

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Speaker 1: more question. Okay, bring it. I I have asked you

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Speaker 1: this before, but I think a law of people my

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Speaker 1: age that are my friends. I love you so much

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Speaker 1: and compliment you through me. I always forget to tell

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Speaker 1: you I'm sorry, but really concrete things, not just like

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Speaker 1: oh I like love her on Instagram. It's really like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that Mueller video was really helpful for me to see.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy she did that, and really concrete things.

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Speaker 1: I think you're amazing and an inspiration. But my question

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Speaker 1: is for all of us, like you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: starting out, the younger people in their twenties, how do

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Speaker 1: we start and advocacy and activism and where should we

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Speaker 1: start and helping people? Because I feel like you've done

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Speaker 1: a great job and it feels really big and really

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Speaker 1: scary sometimes, So what do you think? It is big

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Speaker 1: and it is scary. I think it's really important to

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Speaker 1: know that you're never gonna have it figured out and

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Speaker 1: there's never going to be like the place that you

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Speaker 1: arrive and then it's done. It's like we don't do

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Speaker 1: the Women's Marching and everything changes. It requires consistency, and

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Speaker 1: I think that in especially I think about you guys.

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Speaker 1: I think about like ten years ago being being now

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Speaker 1: like if I were twenty six. You guys have grown

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01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: up with the Internet in a different way, like I've

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01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: been part of its evolution. It's happened to me in

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01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: real time, like this is just the world that you

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01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: live in. And so I think about how subconsciously that

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: can affect our expectation that things turn over very quickly.

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Speaker 1: The news cycle always changes, Instagram always refreshes whatever. But

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Speaker 1: advocacy isn't like this immediately sexy thing. It requires more

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Speaker 1: of a long commitment. But the thing that excites me

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Speaker 1: about it, and the reason I actually do think it's

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Speaker 1: the most inspiring place to be, is it it's a relay.

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Speaker 1: We're all in this together, we're running it together. I'll

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Speaker 1: hand you the baton, you'll hand me the baton. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I take all the batons because I'm good at you know,

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Speaker 1: saying like I got it, I got it, Sure I

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Speaker 1: can do it. Um. But I think that the thing

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Speaker 1: that is the most important is to go, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is going to require some time, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the best time I've ever invested, and then start helping

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Speaker 1: the helpers. I think everybody needs to figure out. I

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Speaker 1: talked to there's this great author Glenn and Doyle, and

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Speaker 1: we talk about this a lot of sacred rage, where

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01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: like the thing that literally makes you enraged, like children

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01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: dying in cages makes me enraged, injustice makes me enraged.

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Speaker 1: Abuse against the queer community, abuse against communities of color,

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01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: like make me enraged. Women being assaulted at work makes

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Speaker 1: me enraged. That is sacred rage. That is like my

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01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: Jane of arc shit, where I'm like, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: on a breastplate and pick up a sword and like

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Speaker 1: go in and identify those things and then look at

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Speaker 1: who's doing the work. You know, even when you think

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: about something like Instagram, it's a social media tool for pictures, fine,

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: but it can also be the window into advocacy. Follow advocates,

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01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: allow change makers. Follow people who are leaders in communities

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Speaker 1: of color and in communities of women and in the

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01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: trans community. Start curating not only your feed, but start

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01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: telling the algorithm what you're looking for, so that you're

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Speaker 1: explore page is full of advocacy and not like lip gloss.

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Speaker 1: That's possible. And you know, when you have questions, look

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01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: to people who you think are doing it right. So

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Speaker 1: if one of your friends says that, then now this

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Speaker 1: video that I did with those other people about the

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Speaker 1: true things in the Moller Report is helpful. Follow now

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Speaker 1: this start looking at the start looking at the organizations

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01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: that they work with. Follow those organizations. Figure out who's

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Speaker 1: doing cool ship in your town. Like b l D

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Speaker 1: p w R is my friend Kendrick Samson's organization that's

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Speaker 1: based here in l A. They are incredible. Like I'll

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Speaker 1: take anybody to a meeting any time, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you come to conferences with me. By

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Speaker 1: the way, like people listening, I just have to say

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: the level of nursery things that I'll call Jacqueline and

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Speaker 1: be like, do you want to go to this institute

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Speaker 1: and She's like yes, And we literally put on suits

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01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: and like go to these things with notebooks and take

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01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: notes and I'm like, I feel so seen. I love you.

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Speaker 1: You're my sister for life. It's really important to just

1143
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: start to show up, and also to start getting into

1144
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty, like read the articles. Don't just read

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: the headlines, you know, get in there. And if you

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01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: can commit ten to fifteen minutes a day to research,

1147
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: your whole life is going to change. It doesn't have

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: to be that big. And the last thing that is

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: the most important thing that I need you and all

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01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: of your friends and all of like the homies who

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01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: you know for in my world are like in the

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01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: younger end of my friends spectrum and your peer group.

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Speaker 1: I need you guys to vote, like I need you

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Speaker 1: to vote because young people don't vote like old people,

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: and old people are voting out of spite, and young

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01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: people are voting out of hope. We're voting for the

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Speaker 1: world we want to create, and we need to be

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Speaker 1: out voting the people who are going to die and

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Speaker 1: leave us with the problems they created. Yeah, I actually

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Speaker 1: don't think. I think like we don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: as much about like thirties. I think we need to

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Speaker 1: worry about the kids that aren't in college, you know,

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: like just out of college starting their job and don't

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Speaker 1: feeling the effects yet. But I will. I'll be out

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Speaker 1: there with you. I know. It's so fun. So find

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Speaker 1: your rage. Find your rage, follow up advocacy groups. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sacred rage, help the helpers, because there are people who

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Speaker 1: know how to do this better than us. Like I was.

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Speaker 1: I was in New York recently and this is the

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Speaker 1: craziest thing I'm ever going to say out loud, but

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Speaker 1: I got to spend some time with Gloria Steinham, who

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Speaker 1: then invited me to her home and then I got

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Speaker 1: to spend more time with her, and literally I was like,

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Speaker 1: if I get hit by a bus when I leave here,

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,919
Speaker 1: it's honestly going to be fine. Like I'm ready, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: And I had so many questions for her because I

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Speaker 1: learned from all of the learning she's already done. But

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Speaker 1: she said the coolest thing to me. She was like, listen,

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Speaker 1: if I died tomorrow, you would figure out how to

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Speaker 1: do everything I've already done. And I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: And it reminded me that as much as we need

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: to look and we have to create like we're doing,

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: we have to create these talking circles that move through

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: generations and that move through different communities to make sure

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01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: we know how to advocate for each other. If we

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: dedicate ourselves, were already on the path and we're going

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Speaker 1: to make a difference. So it doesn't have to feel

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: so insurmountable or scary that it paralyzes you into not acting.

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Speaker 1: Just show up, show up, shut up, listen to the

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Speaker 1: wise ones, and then you become wise. Great. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I love you the most. This show is executive produced

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Speaker 1: by me, Sophia Bush and sim Sarna. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 1: is Alison Bresnick. Our associate producer is Cate Linley. Our

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Speaker 1: editor is Josh Wendish, and our music was written by

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Speaker 1: Jack Garrett and produced by Mark Foster. This show is

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