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Speaker 1: And we are back at the NFL scouting combine here

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 1: here on the Steelers Audio Network. I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt.

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Speaker 1: Williamson, and we're joined, of course by Max Starks as

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Speaker 1: we were yesterday. It's a great combine crew here. We'll

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Speaker 1: have the next three hours of coverage here for you.

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Speaker 1: Uh cut me, Mick. Uh by about hour four h

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be uh you know, barely hanging on here

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Speaker 1: is Apollo pounds away at us, but we'll be all right.

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Speaker 1: Uh So the defensive lineman talk today, We've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of defensive line talked. And one of the conundrums

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Speaker 1: in this particular draft guys is Shamar Turner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh look, you talk about look like Tarzan. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he plays like Jane, but where's the production.

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Speaker 2: But but you know, I think the biggest thing it's

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Speaker 2: the scheme that they makes me wonder about that because

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Speaker 2: we like, yeah, no, not like because I know, like

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Speaker 2: Stewart's up as well, he's one of the other guys

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Speaker 2: another Chamar and and uh.

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Speaker 1: And then the skeleton yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: And it's like but Texas A and And this has

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Speaker 2: been my problem with Texas A and M the last

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Speaker 2: three years because I've had that, I've had their their annual,

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Speaker 2: their annual tryst as I would like to call it

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Speaker 2: in at at and t at Jerry's world, right, because

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Speaker 2: Jerry's Arkansas alum, and he loves having the Texas A

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Speaker 2: and M Arkansas game the old the old what was it,

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Speaker 2: the old Big eight uh conference, you know, reunion type

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Speaker 2: of game of those schools. And I watched him because

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Speaker 2: you have to remember they had the number one recruiting

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Speaker 2: class two years in a row, right, and and these

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Speaker 2: were Jimbo guys, and the production never matched the skill set,

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Speaker 2: Like you look at the measures, like these guys are

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Speaker 2: all like monstars when they walk out, and then you

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Speaker 2: watch them play and it's disjointed, like the scheme never

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Speaker 2: quite fit their capabilities. And I felt like the guys

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Speaker 2: were playing out of position when you'd watch them play.

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Speaker 2: And even when years they lost to kJ Jefferson in

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Speaker 2: Arkansas there and you're like, how that shouldn't happen. That

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Speaker 2: should not have happened, not with the skill set that

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Speaker 2: they have. And listen, kJ Jefferson's was a decent quarterback.

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Speaker 2: He's not great, but he wasn't lightening you up like that.

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Speaker 2: And all of you are bigger than kJ Jefferson, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So Texas A and M defensive

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Speaker 2: linemen have always been in conundrum.

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Speaker 3: And I hate to say that because we have.

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Speaker 2: One on our team, but they they don't play up

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Speaker 2: to their capabilities. And I think that's what kind of

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Speaker 2: that's what kind of ruins it for me. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just I'm at odds. I don't like Turner, I don't

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Speaker 2: like Stewart and and you know and Scourton, you know,

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Speaker 2: to even fit in schemes because I'm like, you have

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Speaker 2: to teach them so they're automatically projects. And do I

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Speaker 2: want a project in the first or second round? No,

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Speaker 2: I need a ready made guy, ready.

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Speaker 1: To rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: And so so it just they looked the part. They're

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Speaker 2: gonna test great because they have all those measures. But

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Speaker 2: when it comes to scheming, you watch what looks on

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Speaker 2: the field with these times and measurables versus what they

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Speaker 2: actually do it.

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Speaker 3: They don't give me the warm and fuzzy feelings.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of years we've seen that as some

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Speaker 1: of the Michigan guys. Yeah, they test really well. And

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Speaker 1: there Sean Gary, Yeah thought of it. When you look

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Speaker 1: at the production, he had four career saction college, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: how's that happen? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like like, say, who are you playing? I

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, you had Indiana on the roster.

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Speaker 2: I know you had like Rutgers. I'm like, you didn't

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Speaker 2: get anything. They get their Yeah, yeah, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. So it's what you weren't playing. And then

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Speaker 2: the SEC, Like there are good teams in the SEC,

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Speaker 2: but this year everybody was kind of apt. Like everybody

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Speaker 2: was in the good category. There was a lot of

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Speaker 2: guys in the good There was none of the elites.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't the Georgia's of old, There wasn't the Alabamas

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Speaker 2: these guys are by far and away the best team

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Speaker 2: and they're just gonna win the net. Pencil them in

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Speaker 2: as the national champs. Everybody was kind of good, so

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Speaker 2: there was room for Texas A and M to grow,

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Speaker 2: and Texas A and M happened fell short with Mike

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Speaker 2: Elko and them down there. They didn't quite get into

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Speaker 2: a rhythm at all. So that's the thing. But I've

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Speaker 2: also seen these guys in previous years, right, I saw

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Speaker 2: them when they were still with Jimbo, and they were

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Speaker 2: all freshmen starting on the You started as a freshman, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you should have some numbers. Oh and no numbers to

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Speaker 2: even speak of. And Leal's guilty of that as well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was a highly recruited guy, and he's

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a tween or two, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of these guys are kind of tweener types. And

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Speaker 4: like I like Scourton's game. He's a big, physical, probably

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Speaker 4: base end, but a Purdue, he was better, He was

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Speaker 4: more productive, and he was lighter. He I mean, he

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Speaker 4: added like twenty pounds at A and M. And this

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Speaker 4: doesn't explode off the ball like he did two years ago.

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Speaker 4: And I'm fine drafting traits on the D line. It's

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Speaker 4: a very Eagles thing to do. Bring him along slow.

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Speaker 4: You know, these guys are super explosive, long whatever, but

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Speaker 4: not in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Not in the first round of thing. Milton Williams was

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Speaker 1: not a first round four round pick, but he had

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Speaker 1: the trades, he had the traits that you want, and

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Speaker 3: But like I said, the.

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Speaker 2: Top two got the starters already said, and he was

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Speaker 2: guy like you already had Jordan Davis, who was a

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Speaker 2: mountain of a human being, right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like you went and you drafted the size, and then

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Speaker 2: you said, Milton, hey, you're the change up guy. It's

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Speaker 2: fine and form just because we're on Shamar Turner. I

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Speaker 2: went and pulled up his stats. The only thing that

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Speaker 2: I saw that was, like you know, in in that realm, is.

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Speaker 3: You look at this year thirty six tackles. This is

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Speaker 3: the only highlight and Stuart's the.

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Speaker 2: One that has nose, no nothing else. I don't even

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Speaker 2: want to pull his stuff out.

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Speaker 4: I get mixed up once in a while, but yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 4: it's the one that's highly or outed better athlete, less.

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Speaker 1: Production, and they have him.

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Speaker 2: They have him slay to go in the first round, right,

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Speaker 2: going to a couple of teams, you know, but they.

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Speaker 1: Have him high especially if he really blows up this week,

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Speaker 1: which he probably will.

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Speaker 3: He probably will, he'll test great.

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Speaker 2: But like you said, there's no tangible production, right, And

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Speaker 2: so I get that because even when the Saints took

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Speaker 2: Marcus Davenport from UTSA, Right, he had stats. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: had like fourteen sacks. Yeah yeah, so it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: but he came from UTSA. It's Conference USA, a smaller school,

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Speaker 2: but he had numbers that you could justify it. Stewart

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Speaker 2: doesn't have any numbers to justify. And so that's where

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Speaker 2: you know, that's where we say this is an inexact science, right,

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Speaker 2: and you could find stats to fall in love with anybody.

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Speaker 2: That's what the combine's for, is to justify for or

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Speaker 2: you line Stewart up every down. I mean, like maybe

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Speaker 2: he can do several or none.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's not really a four to three Nick

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Speaker 4: Bosa explode off the ball, you know, beat you on

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Speaker 4: the edge type guy. And so I trust him to

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Speaker 3: And no he does not. He's not a two gapper.

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Speaker 2: No, he's a he's a blow up the field and

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Speaker 2: he's a space eater. And and the length is great

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Speaker 2: if you're trying to tip a pass. Yeah, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: because he's not getting close enough the quarterback to sack

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Speaker 4: Like it's great for tackle radius and all those things too,

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Speaker 4: But he doesn't recognize that stuff particularly well. You know,

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Speaker 4: he doesn't read plays particularly, and he's not a he's

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Speaker 2: He's a movement guy in space, like he wants to

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Speaker 2: do the razzle dazzle on the edge. He's not trying

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Speaker 2: to like just blow your face off. He's not coming

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Speaker 2: with a power bull rush, yeah, which is what, like

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Speaker 2: you said, like a Bosa, Like they're going to hit

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Speaker 2: you with a long arm stab and they have that capability.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he knows that he has that capability.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he knows how long his arms are

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Speaker 2: willly ever, who knows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're taking that in the first round, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's bud Dupree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember watching bud dupre tape and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to like this guy, and I see there's

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Speaker 1: talent there and obviously tested really well. But then every

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Speaker 1: time I turn the tape on, he's he's engaged in

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Speaker 1: the ball, the ball's going by him, and then all

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Speaker 1: Jarvis Jones. Yeah, another one.

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Speaker 2: Now, he had he had the impassion in college, but

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Speaker 2: it didn't translate to the pro level and he just

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Speaker 1: Because athletically he wasn't there. And I think the Steelers

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Speaker 1: over compensated with Bud, Like, Okay, this didn't work. We

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Speaker 1: took the guy who wasn't the athlete but had the

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Speaker 1: production at Sack. Now, let's take the guy who's the athlete,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to try to make him. And by

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Speaker 1: the end of his career with the Steelers, he finally

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Speaker 1: turned into batter, but took it took him three years

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't have that time.

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Speaker 1: You don't have that time.

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Speaker 3: You have that luxuries last enough.

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Speaker 2: Who's ready and and we're also you know now that

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Speaker 2: we're shifting focus interior, I don't want a project interior

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Speaker 2: guy because a the leader or teacher that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to have in cam Heyward ain't gonna be around long

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Speaker 2: enough to see you actually meet fruition if I got

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Speaker 2: to teach him, and he doesn't have time because he's

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Speaker 2: worried about himself, trying to keep himself healthy. He's not

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Speaker 2: you know, he'll bring a guy along and push, but

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna teach. And that's where I think with

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Speaker 2: either one of these guys from tex say, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to teach them and it's gonna take time, and

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Speaker 2: they need to sit behind starters, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 2: if they go to Philly and you have a chance

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Speaker 2: to learn, great, because it's like we got starters, we

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Speaker 2: can put it in front of you. But if you're drafting,

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Speaker 2: pick your first round, second round, I plan on inserting

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Speaker 2: you immediately. Like you're either a third down type of

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Speaker 2: guy and you work your way up into a starting rotational.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna in some packages.

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Speaker 2: And Carl Dunbar loves to rotate six to seven guys

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Speaker 2: in a game. So if you can't make that top

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Speaker 2: six to seven rotation early, why do we have you

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Speaker 2: Lecause I felt like le Al was going to make

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Speaker 2: the jump this year and then he got injured because

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Speaker 2: he came in he looked good as far as physically like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and helmet scout.

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Speaker 1: Of higher state wide receivers trends?

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Speaker 2: that we need to display, right, Yeah, exactly, we needed

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I I just need you

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Speaker 2: And I look at that and it takes a special team.

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Speaker 2: uh so funny sidebar real fast. I remember the one

437
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,239
Speaker 2: year they asked me to go play D line when

438
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,600
Speaker 2: I was with the Steelers and that was like my

439
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,120
Speaker 2: fourth year in the league and they're like, hey, you're

440
00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 2: gonna play goal line in short yardis defense. I was like, really, okay,

441
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 2: all right, sure, I mean I'm not. I'm not.

442
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,919
Speaker 3: I lost my starting job, so okay, I guess.

443
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,080
Speaker 2: You know, the more you can do what you can do, right,

444
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,400
Speaker 2: Remember that phrase, malle oh God, So I go into

445
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Speaker 2: the d big Hey, John Henderson, Marcus Stroud, Albert Max Starting.

446
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Speaker 3: Same thing came from SCR.

447
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Speaker 2: You're good and so I remember that first meeting and

448
00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,520
Speaker 2: it's just like, what are you doing in here? I

449
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Speaker 2: bet they told me to be in here. I can't

450
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Speaker 2: I can't deal with this coach. I'm just here for

451
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,159
Speaker 2: sure yards and uh and defense. And then I was

452
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,719
Speaker 2: on field goal block that makes sense. So he was like,

453
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,960
Speaker 2: all right, well, sit you as back you know what

454
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like he had that type oft and I

455
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,159
Speaker 2: just remember sitting back there, and I just remember watching

456
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,159
Speaker 2: Mitch go through like technique drills and then so we

457
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,400
Speaker 2: get out there to the field. Coach don't do during

458
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 2: the season that they don't do that. But yeah, yeah,

459
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: it's like but but but Mitch was so intent, so

460
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 2: he would just let the starters do whatever they want,

461
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 2: like Hamp go do what Hamp does, you know, And

462
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 2: Hamp would just sit there and you know, he he

463
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Speaker 2: would stretch a little bit.

464
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Speaker 3: I go left.

465
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like I go left, I go right, and

466
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Speaker 2: then I just stand still, you know. And then you know,

467
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: Keisel was doing his drills and Smith he's doing his own.

468
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 2: Where did I fit it? He's like, no, no, no, You're

469
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna be over here with Hokey. I was like,

470
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Speaker 2: I was like, Hoky bro like, we don't look anything, like, uh,

471
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Speaker 2: just do what Hokey does and you'll be fine.

472
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Speaker 3: Man.

473
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Speaker 2: I was like, it's like Hoky you know, and Hokey's

474
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Speaker 2: Tasbanian double, right, you know, a motor motor. When you

475
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 2: talk about a motor, guy like you're gonna have a chance.

476
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Speaker 2: And so I remember, yeah, the traits aren't there, but

477
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 2: the effort, I mean NonStop yeah. And so I'm over

478
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: there working the drill with it was like, hey, goal line.

479
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 2: You know we're six two, We're six two defense?

480
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Speaker 3: You know that, right?

481
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, I know that. I know what defenstruction.

482
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Speaker 2: It's like where do I lie against it? And what

483
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Speaker 2: do I do in this moment? He's like, all right,

484
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 2: so you're gonna sideboard. So first thing you're gonna do,

485
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna attack to the interior guy. You're gonna swing

486
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Speaker 2: your butt around into into the outside guy, and then

487
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Speaker 2: you're gonna step your foot through. I was like, what

488
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 2: this is not? Do you see how tall I am.

489
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take out the whole right side of the

490
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Speaker 2: line with my butt cheecken and a thigh. I'm like,

491
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm like you have to be a little

492
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Speaker 2: more technical. And I just remember going through that. But

493
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Speaker 2: and then Mitch came over. He's like, hey, different when

494
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Speaker 2: he does when it exactly I was, I was like,

495
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Speaker 2: you can do that.

496
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Speaker 3: I was like, this is not for me. And so

497
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Speaker 3: Mitch watched it for like a.

498
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Speaker 2: Couple of He's like, all right, Stark starts listen, you're

499
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Speaker 2: messing it up. Of course he used a word yes,

500
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Speaker 2: another four words colorful.

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

502
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Speaker 2: Flowers is the is the lead letter on that one.

503
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: So we get into the drill and he's like, all right,

504
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: the first thing he needs to do is just drop

505
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 2: the knee and then reverse shoulder into the guy, because

506
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to swing your hip around right.

507
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: It's like once again the truck making the wide right turn.

508
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: Like the time you do it, they've already collapsed your hip.

509
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: So for you, you're gonna have to drop the knee

510
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: and then throw the shoulder into it while extending your

511
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: arms because you have longer arms. So he just he

512
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Speaker 2: taught me that, and it was just like you're gonna

513
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Speaker 2: do I'm gonna do it different than Hoky, so you know,

514
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Speaker 2: why did you send me with Hoki in the first place.

515
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: But he was dealing with other guys at that time,

516
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Speaker 2: so I realize that now. But he but I mean,

517
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Speaker 2: but he made it so simple. But when you have

518
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Speaker 2: a coach that has the time to be able to

519
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Speaker 2: I mean he came over. It's like a mechanic that's

520
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: been working for thirty years and you got the first

521
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,239
Speaker 2: year mechanics straight out straight out of school. It's like, oh,

522
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Speaker 2: well I have to do this, I have to take this,

523
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: and he's like, ah, don't worry about this, like boom, boom, boom,

524
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Speaker 2: you're still there. Look at that all right, now, keep

525
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Speaker 2: doing that thing and then walks off right, you know.

526
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Speaker 2: So it was just it was but you know, you

527
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: don't have that time now in this league.

528
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the way.

529
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Speaker 2: The PA has structured, you know, with ellective bargaining, there's

530
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Speaker 2: not a lot of practice time on the field with

531
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Speaker 2: the coaches like, well you do the OTAs you know,

532
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: it's two hours and they're they're with the timer looking

533
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: at you. So if you want to do anything extra afterwards,

534
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Speaker 2: like after practice, I could pull Russ aside, you know

535
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Speaker 2: and say hey, Russ, you know I want to work

536
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Speaker 2: on this, let me see you do it. They'd spend

537
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Speaker 2: time with you. You know, players stayed on the field

538
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Speaker 2: a long amount of time, like we see a training

539
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Speaker 2: camp like some guys do it. Yeah, but this was

540
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Speaker 2: regular season. We were able to still do these type

541
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Speaker 2: of things. You don't see that in the regular season.

542
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: Guys are just getting off the field and there's not

543
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Speaker 2: that intent to learn the extra and then the veterans

544
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily there. Like I mean, I had Marvel Smith,

545
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: and you know, I tried to learn Marvel's stance, which

546
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: was the biggest mistake of my life because the amount

547
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: of low body, lower back and lower body strength you

548
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: have to have to hold that stance was ridiculous. But

549
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Speaker 2: he had a band around his waist, he had a

550
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: band on his elbow, he had a band on his knee,

551
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Speaker 2: and he was doing all of these like isometric holes.

552
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Speaker 2: And I was like, no, it's not gonna work for me.

553
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: It's not gonna work for me. It's great for you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

554
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: but that's not gonna work. But I had the chance

555
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: to talk to him, and then, you know, and then

556
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 2: I talked to Alan after practice because Alan's doing extra

557
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: work and guys are just intent. Jeff, Jeff was taking

558
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of snaps. And Jeff wasn't wasn't a powerlift.

559
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: He was a powerlifter at Penn State in early years

560
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: when he was in Detroit. By the time he got

561
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: to the Steelers, he was a yoga master. You know

562
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like he worked on. All he worked

563
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: on was flexibility. He wanted to have a lower hogor Yeah,

564
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: he knew he had the power, so it was like

565
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Speaker 2: developing that power from a more tight state. And so

566
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Speaker 2: he would do fifty to you know, fifty to seventy

567
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: five snaps after practice so that I don't see that here,

568
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying now, because there's not a

569
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: time to teach. It's like we got we gotta get

570
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: the means. I gotta go watch film. I gotta break

571
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: down film. Then we have only forty five minute film session. Okay,

572
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: we get to that. Then the team has to have

573
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Speaker 2: to me boom boom boom days over and I can't

574
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: touch you a second time on the field, right, you know,

575
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: And that's why you had you know, we saw during camp,

576
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: right Russes on the field with a running back group

577
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: trying to go through stuff with them and they're by

578
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: themselves on the field, or he's with the wide receivers

579
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: that he's talking about, Like you have to do it

580
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: on your own and there's not enough older leaders to

581
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: do that. That's tough. Yeah, and even back there, I

582
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: know we need a roll.

583
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: But like after like Shamar Stewart, don't count ask.

584
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: Him to go with Chris Hoak.

585
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, like if someone like him draft him and maybe

586
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: he can learn from that guy, that's similar.

587
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 1: But you know, square peg round ole. Absolutely, let's get

588
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Speaker 1: through a break. He is Max Starks. That's Matt Williamson.

589
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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. We are live at the NFL

590
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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis, here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh

591
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Speaker 1: and the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more right.

592
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Speaker 3: After this.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the NFL Scouting Combine. Here are

594
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Speaker 1: ongoing coverage on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.

595
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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly here with the Matt Williamson and the

596
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 1: Max Starks. He gets his deed today. Okay, he earned it.

597
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: He earned it. Yeah, yesterday's mister. He the to me

598
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: is higher than mister. He'll be back at a moment

599
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Speaker 1: of Yeah, he's just up to He's a very popular guy,

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Speaker 1: that's true, Matt. Some news and notes today. John Lynch,

601
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Speaker 1: a Steeler or the forty nine Ers general manager saying

602
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: that Trent Williams expecting to come back and play next

603
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Speaker 1: year about what thirty eight.

604
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: I would say, real close to that were in that neighborhood, right.

605
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Speaker 1: So I guess, you know, the forty nine Ers would

606
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: take left tackle out of the equation.

607
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 4: Perhaps, I guess the future left tackle they still take one. Yeah, yeah,

608
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 4: guard turned left tackle in a year.

609
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, let him train for a year under Trent Williams.

610
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Speaker 1: And he said they're they're going to honor Deebo Samuel's

611
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Speaker 1: request for a trade. That's two big ones that that

612
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: are going to take place here, as Max starks as

613
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Speaker 1: Beck with his forty nine Ers saying today Trent Williams

614
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Speaker 1: expected back next year and they're going to honor Deebo

615
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Speaker 1: Samuel's trade request.

616
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Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't see that coming with Williams. I mean,

617
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: he had some off the field personal tragedy. I thought

618
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 4: that might be perfect time to kind of walk away

619
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Speaker 4: from the game. He's an all time great. I mean,

620
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: he's a phenomenal football player. But I thought this past

621
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: year was it's probably you know, the first signs of

622
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: decline and pretty heavy at this point too. And but

623
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Speaker 4: they're still looking at this like its super winter.

624
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Speaker 2: You know, skips.

625
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't do anything in training campaign.

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Speaker 3: He just he just shows up in season ready to go. Yeah.

627
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Speaker 2: And I mean and like you said, I mean he's

628
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Speaker 2: an all time great. I mean when you put him

629
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Speaker 2: on that list, I mean, he's another guy, first ballot

630
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer when he becomes available, easy decision. But

631
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: like you said, when is time time and the amount

632
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: of money it's starting to starting to show. And and

633
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: like you said, you have so many other needs at

634
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Speaker 2: San Francisco. You know, after the year that you had that,

635
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: It's like if you do free up money, you know

636
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: that can go towards allocating somebody else. Now, granted, I

637
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: know there's no Trent Williams in this draft that's gonna

638
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: be a transcendent.

639
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: Tackle, But you can still find a good tackle in.

640
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Speaker 1: This wouldn't be a bad idea to take one and

641
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: have him learned for a year under Trent was the

642
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: right side or guard or whatever.

643
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, because you got you got what

644
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: Colt mckivitz is the other guy on the right and.

645
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: And pooney they like the rookie guard. But yeah, there's

646
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: room for a guard to spend there spend a year

647
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 4: and then kick.

648
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: Back out the left and there's room, there's room for improvement.

649
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: Like you like this is the moments where you don't

650
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Speaker 2: want to sit there and say, Okay, just because I

651
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Speaker 2: have this guy means I can't I avoid the position,

652
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: set it and forget it right, like the crock pot,

653
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Speaker 2: You've got to have the next guy there.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

655
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Speaker 2: And one of the things that a good team like

656
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Speaker 2: San Francisco, I'm sure John Lynch is looking at this

657
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: is you know you want to stockpile talent. You don't

658
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: because I mean, the cupboard gets bare. It's what the

659
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: Steelers are trying to do. Yeah, omark On talked about

660
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: it yesterday.

661
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Speaker 1: You want to just continue to try to add to

662
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Speaker 1: your team.

663
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we and we did that even back when

664
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: I played right. I mean, you know, you took me

665
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Speaker 2: in the third round and oh four. Then you came

666
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: to tree Essex the follow year, the third round, you

667
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: took Willie in the fourth round, you took Tony Hills.

668
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: Right.

669
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: You added tackles every single year like one of them

670
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: was gonna hit. And then you remember it was Marcus Gilbert,

671
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: it was Mike Adams. Like we kept taking tackles in

672
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: the first two days too. We're like, okay, we got

673
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Speaker 2: some guys that we feel comfortable with. And then, of course,

674
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: you know, Kelvin Beacham was another guy you took when

675
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Speaker 2: you win the Dave the Castro year. You went and said, hey,

676
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: well we went and got to guard high, but let's

677
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: go at least get a developmental guy that could probably

678
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: swing on the inside, play four different positions potentially.

679
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Speaker 1: Actually, you know, fourteen years later, he's still playing. He's

680
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: still playing. I mean, gosh, I mean, you know, and.

681
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Speaker 2: We talked about beaching and I love Kelvin, but it's like,

682
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: you have to continually do that, and I think and.

683
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 4: The Sailors didn't for a long time before taking Roderick Jones.

684
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they paid for it for a while.

685
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you saw that, and then of course, you know,

686
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: letting guys go like Finny left right, you know, and

687
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: you had I'm trying like yeah, Herbert, Yeah, And so

688
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: you let those guys go, and those guys are still

689
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: in the league, you know what I'm saying. But you know,

690
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: you have to be able to address offensive defensive line

691
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: kind of consistently.

692
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: You got to take them every.

693
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Year and say, well, one of them are going to

694
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Speaker 2: stick over these and at least if we finally get

695
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: that guy, we know that we can plug and play.

696
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: When you do have a Trent Williams type retire, we

697
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: have somebody slid in there. But they focused on every

698
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: other position over the last couple years, and now now

699
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: you're in a position where he's like, we're kind of stuck.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk Deebo Samuel real quick. He's going to

701
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Speaker 1: be available.

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Speaker 4: From what I understand, trading him is really rough on

703
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: their cap and I done have the contract stuff in

704
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Speaker 4: front of me, But I think he's gonna get cut,

705
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: is how I implied that. And I'm sure if they

706
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Speaker 4: could get a pick out of him, they'd love it.

707
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Speaker 4: But I don't know that the cap ramifications are.

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Speaker 1: It was a three year, seventy one and a half

709
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: million dollars deal that he's signed just a couple of

710
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: years ago. His cap hit this year is fifteen to eight.

711
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: If they get rid of him, his base seller is

712
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: only one point.

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Speaker 2: So I think.

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Speaker 1: Very attractive the new team. I'm not seeing dead money here.

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Speaker 1: If they, I guess, look at a different.

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Speaker 4: Uh Max, would you be interested in him putting Opsta Pickens,

717
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: depending you know, depending on costs and all that. I mean,

718
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: just on the field what you've seen from him. I

719
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 4: had mixed feelings about him.

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Speaker 2: I do too, because I mean because Deebo's a guy

721
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Speaker 2: like he's not caught away and he's and he's taking

722
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: a lot of snaps. Yeah, and so where I think

723
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: about it, I look at Deebo almost in the Corderio.

724
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Speaker 3: Patterson range, right, Yeah, I mean you have it's a

725
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: much better version.

726
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: He's a better version, but he's taking the similar type

727
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: of pet where he's in the backfield, he's also in

728
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: the slot. He's he's your jet motion guy. He's also

729
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: a lineup receiver. Like there, he has a lot of capabilities,

730
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Speaker 2: and it's more like a jack of all trades, master

731
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Speaker 2: of none type of situation.

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Speaker 3: And do we really want that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that necessarily pairs well opposite George Pickens.

734
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Speaker 2: I don't think he gets the same type of respect

735
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Speaker 2: that a Brandon Ayuk would have gotten on the edge

736
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Speaker 2: if you line him up and you still he's the

737
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Speaker 2: pure ute runner.

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Speaker 3: Deebos not a trick guy, but he's gimmicky.

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Speaker 1: It's one and a half million dollar cap hit if

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Speaker 1: they trade or release him before June first.

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Speaker 2: That's my thought. I thought it almost doesn't make any sense.

742
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Speaker 1: Post June first, the would be able to split that

743
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Speaker 1: up over over a couple of years, and so they

744
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Speaker 1: get a little bit of a cap savings this year. Yeah,

745
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: they may, you may up being a post June first

746
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Speaker 1: designation and just I think that's what happened. I think

747
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Speaker 1: they would love to trade him.

748
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would love to trade, but like you said

749
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Speaker 2: that that number, they're not They're not trading him before that.

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Speaker 3: It's not cost effective.

751
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Speaker 2: So getting a Deebo Samuel in June and you're pretty

752
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: much got training camp to work with him.

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Speaker 1: Well, they could release him today and designate him they could,

754
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: which I think Yeah.

755
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: Hargrave, Yeah, okay, Hardgrave has the same situation.

756
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Speaker 2: I think that's what will happen. He'll be on the

757
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: open market.

758
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Speaker 1: But then that means next year they're eating more, oh right,

759
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and they're in they're in a bind

760
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: right now because of the whole party situation. Yeah, what

761
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: do they pay Rock Party? And that's that's gonna be

762
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: a question, right. Mister irrelevant becomes very relevant after a

763
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Speaker 1: couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Ago, cheap anymore. No, no, no, you missed that comes

765
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Speaker 4: out to roster building. They're so top heavy and that's worked.

766
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Speaker 4: I mean they were in a Super Bowl year ago.

767
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: I mean, so they've had a lot of success. They

768
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: haven't won it yet, but they have a lot tied

769
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Speaker 4: up in McCaffrey and Williams and now I both received Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Think Warner and you're gonna have to address the running

771
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Speaker 2: back position. I know Mason was good for a couple

772
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Speaker 2: of weeks, but Christop McCaffrey, what are you going to

773
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Speaker 2: get from him when he when he comes back.

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Speaker 4: I think what their plan is max is. I think

775
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: he's going to become the debo he's they call it

776
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: the wide back, you know, it's a wide receiver, running back,

777
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Speaker 4: mixed type of guy.

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Speaker 2: He's such a good receiver.

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Speaker 4: I think they want to extend his career by not

780
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Speaker 4: giving him between the tackle carries.

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Speaker 2: And nearly the rate d are Now.

782
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know he's special, but the Shanahan's have always

783
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: gotten by with the fourth round.

784
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: Those type of dudes to be your hammers.

785
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think McCaffrey's going to be in the

786
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: slot a lot out wide gets eight carries, a game,

787
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Speaker 4: not eighteen, you know, and extend his career, especially coming

788
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Speaker 4: off this injury.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the other thing. I don't know how

790
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: effective he's going because even when he came back last year,

791
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: oh no, right, he may never be the same. I

792
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: don't know.

793
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: You know, there was him going to Europe for treatment

794
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: and all kinds of stuff, like he has a weird

795
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 4: whatever his ailment is is not easily correctable.

796
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, and the thing is how much money

797
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: you have tied up with him at that position, right right,

798
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: And that's why you're like you're trying to rob Peter

799
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Speaker 2: to pay Paul, and then you're having to make this

800
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: these type of decisions. And like you said, and Trent,

801
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: Trent costs a pretty penny to keep him there, and

802
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: he said he wants to come back, And like you said,

803
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: Bosa Kittle, I mean, we have so they're not a

804
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: deep team. They're not deep.

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00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and you think about that showed to be

806
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: the case this year right at the are some of

807
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: those guys You get to lose your top heavy dudes,

808
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: and then it gets ugly and you're picking.

809
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: Up Drey Greenlaw never really kind of fully recover from

810
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: the injury he had, you know, in Super Bowl, and

811
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: so you're like, well, we got to go get the

812
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: linebacker two just in case because Fred Warner has been great.

813
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: But you know, Fred has taken a lot of brunt

814
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: because of the lack of green law. So now you know,

815
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: and green laws up this year. Hofana's up this year.

816
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: Ward's up this year. So they're losing three starters in

817
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: the back seven too, you know. Yeah, so their needs

818
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: are plentiful. They're plentiful, So you got to try and

819
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: cut where you can. And you don't want to say

820
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: it's it's throw it out and start over again. But

821
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: but Debo's gonna go, Yeah, Deebo's Deebo's gone, yeah, because

822
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: he doesn't he doesn't bring enough to the table. They

823
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: drafted Pier in the first round and right, and this

824
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: dude came back after being shot and was productive.

825
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: He need to get shot in Denver?

826
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was in San Francisco outright.

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00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: They shot me in Denver, Yeah, they shot. Oh god,

828
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Speaker 1: let's get to another break because I want to talk

829
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: about and when we come back, some of these wide

830
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: receivers in this draft and where you know the Steelers

831
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Speaker 1: might go with that when we come back. He is

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Speaker 1: Max uh Starts, I'm Dale Lollie and he is Matt Williamson.

833
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: And you're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation

834
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We'll be back with more

835
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Speaker 1: live from the NFL Scouting Combine right after.

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Speaker 2: This, and we are back.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly here with Max Starks and Matt

838
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Williamson at the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis on

839
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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio and the Fox Sports Pittsburgh. And guys

840
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: were talking a little wide receiver there with with Deebo Samuel.

841
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: And my thing is, Max, if you needed a Deebo

842
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: Samuel type player, you can just draft Luthor Burden.

843
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and.

844
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: Then nowhere and tear and you know he's fresher in

845
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: it and you can mold him into what you want

846
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: as opposed to trying to get rid of some of

847
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: the bad hands.

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00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: You got a lot of the same run after the catchability. Yeah,

849
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: you know if you turn But that's the problem that

850
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: I have with Luthor Burden is like when I turn

851
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: on Missouri tape, like seventy five percent of his stuff

852
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: is he's catching something in the flat and just there

853
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: it's a screen. It's a bubble screen. It's five yards

854
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: and turn around and catch the ball and try to

855
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: get something after the catch. You just don't see enough

856
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: down the field stuff to even like can he run routes?

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00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and also the other problem is Missouri's offensive line.

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: Yeah well, and their quarterback he got injured. Remember after

860
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 2: like the third week of the season, and they brought

861
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: the backup in and he didn't know which way was up.

862
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: And then you had the quarterback come back early from

863
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: injury and he was I mean, he had a lot

864
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: of dead army. It was a terrible year from a

865
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: zoo from that perpeci. So it was like, we just

866
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: got to get the ball in Luther Burton's hand. I

867
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: think that's something that you kind of still stick to

868
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: because if you go back two years ago, that's where

869
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: you get the vertical stuff. Yeah, you know, the offensive

870
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: line was a little bit better, that better protects and

871
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: that was a year that Eli Drinkwitz and that crew

872
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: was actually vying for for a for a conference title position,

873
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: you know, back when we still had conference when we

874
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: had divisions. Now it's just top two, you know, in

875
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: the big sit in the Big twenty Conference, which is

876
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: used to be the Big ten, and the SEC is

877
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: just the s C, the Southern car because we got

878
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: everybody in the South. It seems like so you know,

879
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: so I think that was where you you kind of

880
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: have to go deeper dive and look at two years

881
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: ago film and you thought he was coming out then,

882
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: and he stays for the additional year because he wants

883
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: to try and play. It did not help him. And

884
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: that's also where staying extra year might not help you.

885
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: Sure you know what I'm saying, where it's really his fault. Yeah, yeah,

886
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: he thought and he thought he was getting his quarterback back.

887
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we're gonna build off what we had,

888
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: let's run it back one more time, right the boys

889
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: in the band. And it didn't work out. So that's

890
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: what's going to cause him. I think a little bit

891
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: of a dip and slide. But this is where the

892
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: combine is gonna really help for him, to help him

893
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: quite a bit. I just wish there were more quarterbacks throwing.

894
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: We have so many quarterbacks to say they are throwing.

895
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: You know, how tired are the arms of the quarterbacks

896
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: by the time they get to these guys. Again. Now

897
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: he is in group one of the QB wide receiver

898
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: combos that will be doing on the field workouts together.

899
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 4: So his how many quarterbacks of I know Sanders opted out,

900
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: but who who else?

901
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: Cam opted out as well? And I'm trying to think

902
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm looking.

903
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: At I didn't see the news other than Sanders.

904
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, but here's his quarterbacks that are

905
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: in Luther Burdens group, Will Howard, Seth Henigan, Dylan Gabriel Quinn, Yours,

906
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart, Brady Cook, and Max Brosmer. Okay, that should

907
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: be plenty. There should be plenty of arms. But I

908
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: think I'm hoping that Dart throws. I mean I heard

909
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: some rumors that he might not throw either. So now

910
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: you know Brady Cook was his quarterback at MISSOO, but

911
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: Brady was injured, so there is familiarity there. Yeah, yeah,

912
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: or you wonder if you know they're they're the type

913
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: that's going to be like, well, you know, we'll let

914
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: our school workouts be the time when we really showcase ourselves.

915
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: Because I think Brady I don't think. I don't think

916
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: he might be healthy enough to throw here. And if

917
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm Burden's camp. I want him running a variety of routes.

918
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: You know, he's got to run the entire route tree.

919
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

920
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: No, I need to see go I need to see

921
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: double moves. I need to see comebacks and stick right

922
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: square outs. I mean I need to see everything in

923
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: the book. And especially with his size, You're like, you

924
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: have to be able to go across the middle. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

925
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: I need to see across the middle stuff so you know,

926
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: shallow dragon goes right. I need to see these type

927
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: of different move sets so I can get so I

928
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: can feel better about.

929
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: It because he has the even the the gauntlet stuff,

930
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: and I mean I think it's a little more important

931
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: for him than most receivers just because us his past year.

932
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was not a representation of him.

933
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: So he has to get back to two years ago

934
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: status to really make that He's still a guy that's intriguing, right.

935
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, if I'm thinking about Deebo Samuel,

936
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: I need to take a second look at Luther.

937
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 4: Burton if you have a role for that guy. And

938
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 4: Arthur Spencer has shown he could use that guy.

939
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: He even uses a Matterson And I mean I was like,

940
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: he's stuck with the Corderio Patterson, even though we didn't

941
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: really see him line up at receiver at all eighty

942
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: four in the backfield again, yeah, exactly so. But you know,

943
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: but I mean thinking about the other guys in this class,

944
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: and I have my but they are going to add

945
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: a veteran I mean it is, I mean, but they're

946
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: going to add a better somebody. Yeah, and like you said,

947
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: soon if it's for one point was at one point

948
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: five or one point one one point? Yeah, I'm like

949
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: that's a no brainer. I mean, heck, you were you

950
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: were giving Alan Robinson that, right, you know a year ago,

951
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: you're you're giving you're giving h Van Jefferson that. Why

952
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: not have you know.

953
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: He'll make more than enough place to earn that money?

954
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I just don't know you can get them

955
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 4: for that money, because why would they trade him if

956
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 4: it's going to be a huge cap hit, you know

957
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: what I mean?

958
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: Why would the Niners say yes to that?

959
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: But they're gonna if it's designating happen anyway, they're designating

960
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: him anyways. After June first, it's like, well, no harm,

961
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: no foul, right, And I think Deebo will want to

962
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: come here and try and.

963
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 3: Play now you know who suitors.

964
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll He'll have plenty of teams that will that

965
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: will want that trade.

966
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: But I wear in terror worries the durability and how

967
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 4: much does he get left?

968
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: You know?

969
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but one point one five million, it's like that.

970
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: That makes everything a lot easier. Now, if I got

971
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: to go five ten to get him, then no.

972
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: We'll go.

973
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: We'll go elsewhere for that because there's still plenty of

974
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: But another guy, another couple of guys that I mean,

975
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: of course, a Mecabuka, a Buka.

976
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

977
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that that that's a sign seal delivered.

978
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: I mean once again, I'll hire that. Yeah, I mean,

979
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: but he and he's physically he gives you something to

980
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: the run game. He's gonna block down the field. So

981
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. So it's like I could see

982
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: that guy, you know what I'm saying, fitting into this.

983
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: These are these are first round guys. Yeah much, I

984
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about taking the defensive lineman in the

985
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: first round.

986
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: No, and I think I would say if But see

987
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: my thing is, I think a Mecca may Or may

988
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: not be in the first round.

989
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: I mean I think he might I don't think he

990
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: gets a Steeler second.

991
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: He won't get the second.

992
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: But I think that's where we have to try and

993
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: move up in the second day. If he's there, you

994
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: got to get up into that. That would be one

995
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: where I'd be if I had a lineman locked up.

996
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, I already took my twenty one. We're good.

997
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: I got the D line I said I was gonna get,

998
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: and then I can go back in the third round

999
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: and go get one as well. Second round. If I'm

1000
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: looking at a receiver, I think you have him. You

1001
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: have like a Jack Besh, you know you have Chimiriri

1002
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 2: DK you like you have some guys that are gonna

1003
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: be in that second day or kind of fall through

1004
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: the cracks into day two. And those are guys I'm

1005
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: kind of looking at like that because I think a

1006
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: book like you said, I like him, but I'm not

1007
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: sold on it. Is he a number one?

1008
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: I think he's a high quality too.

1009
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Yes, isn't a knock.

1010
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of those guys.

1011
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, and that's why I think this draft is heavy.

1012
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's gonna be a run on

1013
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: wide receivers this year.

1014
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: No, I think it should be the lightest receiver year

1015
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: in h.

1016
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: So that's why I think second round like you're gonna

1017
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: get one or two that will jump out there.

1018
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: But I also think that's why some of these other guys,

1019
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: you know Golden and Matthew Golden's another on my list,

1020
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: end up getting pushed into that first round because there's

1021
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: teams that need wide receivers and.

1022
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 2: Actually a lot of the playoff teams.

1023
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you're just gonna you're just gonna

1024
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: take them. The Kansas City Chiefs are thirty one, need one.

1025
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 4: The Ravens, well, yeah, absolute, the Chargers and so.

1026
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: And when I look at this, I'm thinking, like an

1027
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: Elijah Basher is gonna be a guy that's gonna be

1028
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: popular amongst it because he has the production, he has

1029
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: the skill set. You know, I'm gonna I'm just gonna

1030
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: run through some of the stats here as soon as

1031
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: I get down there we go. So, you know, Elijah

1032
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: Basher right second in fbs and yards after the catch

1033
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: twenty point seven, right, I think that's gonna be attractive,

1034
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: especially when you're thinking about Kansas City.

1035
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: You're thinking about the.

1036
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: Like I need somebody that can do something after the

1037
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: yack ability you know, Ted McMillan is already I feel

1038
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: like gonna be one of the top receivers taking Yeah,

1039
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be there. I mean all the mocks

1040
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: that have him in the twenties. I'm like, you're smoking cracker.

1041
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: I tell you that. I hate to say, God blessed

1042
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: whoever wrote that mock, but I don't think you are

1043
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: necessarily writing that after a cup of.

1044
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: Coffee, you know.

1045
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: And so I look at those guys, and those are

1046
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: the guys that are gonna be the first and like

1047
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: you said, it may push Luther Burden at the end

1048
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: of the first round, possibly, but you also have to

1049
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: have a scheme fit for those guys. So if there's

1050
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: a scheme fit guy, they're gonna go get them regardless.

1051
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: But I think like a Meccha booka because you're like,

1052
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: you don't know, it's an enigma, Like I need a

1053
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: number one receiver, but you're projecting to me as a

1054
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: number two, So I might overlook you in that type

1055
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: of situe. And then that's where it becomes like, Okay,

1056
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: day two, you gotta be active. You gotta be active

1057
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: in pushing.

1058
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 4: So I kind of foresee the stealer receiver room as

1059
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: Pickens Austin Wilson. I think you bring back a Scournick

1060
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: as your gunner slash fifth receiver on game day. That's

1061
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: not expensive. Some veteran that we know. I mean, somebody

1062
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: that's like in fantasy I mean like a well known bet.

1063
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: Not Van Jefferson, you know, I mean you know what

1064
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 4: I mean, Like I'm not destroying Van Jefferson, but Cop

1065
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: or Debo or Adams or I mean somebody that's a

1066
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: legit dude and a day two pick. Yeah, you know,

1067
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: because that Day two dude needs to play a lot

1068
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: and we're maybe there and push Roman as well. Yeah,

1069
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: somebody to come in and push Roman because I think Calvin,

1070
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: like you said, is our slot and we're not drafting

1071
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: another slot.

1072
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: I don't any more little guys.

1073
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't eve anymore Loo, because they got Roman

1074
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: and I got.

1075
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: Calvin, and they're gonna be on the team. They're gonna

1076
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: be on the squad. So it's like we need I

1077
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: need tall, I need I need somebody that's gonna take

1078
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: the pressure off of George Pickens. Yeh right, you know,

1079
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: and I need so, like you said, either established or

1080
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: a tall guy in this type of type of vein,

1081
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Speaker 2: which like Aymon or yeah, the kid from Stanford, right, yeah, yeah,

1082
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: he would absolutely fit the bill. Yeah, he would fit

1083
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: the bill because he's what he's six two or six two.

1084
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: And if that veteran his cup or debo and you

1085
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: can't quite trust him, I'll play seventeen games.

1086
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: Maybe one of those.

1087
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: Day two guys by week ten is ready to be

1088
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 4: a full time player.

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Speaker 2: I'll throw one out there at you that this appealing.

1090
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: And he's in the Pickens vein. Andrew Armstrong from Arkansas. Okay,

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00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 2: I need to walk into more.

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00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 3: Look, he's led the team in receptions the last two years.

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00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've gone through.

1095
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: He's a downfield guy. He's a downfield guy.

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00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: He's six foot four as well, and it's caught near

1097
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: eighty catches a year, so he has that, he has

1098
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: that pedigree, and he's a tall receiver. He gives you

1099
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: those plaques vibes, right, you know. So that would be

1100
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Speaker 2: another guy like late in day two that you if

1101
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking third round, I'm probably looking at Andrew Armstrong

1102
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: and that type of van I need. I want a

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00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: big body target as well that can run and that

1104
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: that has the culmination of catch, the cumulative effect of

1105
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: knowing how to catch a football. I don't want the

1106
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy speister. He may or may not fifty fifty.

1107
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't think that's what's the.

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00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: One that's enigma to me this year is save On

1109
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: Jones from TCU. Yeah, yeah, I would agree. Yeah. I

1110
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: mean he's a big thing, average ten yards of catching

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00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: his like, yeah, he's supposed to be. He's fast, he's big.

1112
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: Like how why is it ten yards? I mean I

1113
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: don't get it.

1114
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sticks and you fall down. Yeah, and we

1115
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: we don't need another anyway. He has those, you know.

1116
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you hate to say it, but it's like, dude,

1117
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: you should be fifteen to twenty yards like like I said, yah, yeah,

1118
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: down the field threat And that's what you need because

1119
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: when you have your quarterback to you for you force

1120
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: you force these teams to stand too high, and you

1121
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: keep a seven man, you can run the ball, run

1122
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: the ball effectively, right, you know I don't want to

1123
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: oh oh god, right, at least we were wearing that again. No,

1124
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: and you need to buy this the similar I don't

1125
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: say I need the exact same model, but it needs

1126
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: something that imposes the will like a Jamar Chase and quarterback. Yeah, yeah,

1127
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 2: you're right, right, right, Yeah, I need I need tall

1128
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: targets that are very easily seen and also easily escapable

1129
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: from from coverage.

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Speaker 5: And that's why, by the way, also block Yeah you

1131
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 5: run the football, right, yeah, because we run the football.

1132
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 5: And man, I'm telling you, I wish Jordan Tyson was

1133
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: in the draft this year. I know he got injured

1134
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 5: from as U, but he was. He was one of

1135
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 5: those guys I looked at it. It was it was

1136
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 5: really phenomenal what Hines had done with him and really transformed.

1137
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, but I only any five nine guys anymore.

1138
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: No, No, we're good.

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Speaker 1: We got to get to another break. That's going to

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Speaker 1: do it for our first hour. We got two more

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Speaker 1: left guds far fast flying by here. I'm here with

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Speaker 1: Max Starks and Matt Williams, and I'm Dale Lalli here

1143
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: live at the NFL Scouting Combine taking place here in

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00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: Indianapolis over the next few days. Here, we'll be here

1145
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: all week long, bringing you coverage here on the Steelers

1146
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: Audio Network and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. That's going to do

1147
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Speaker 1: it for hour number one of our grouping here, we'll

1148
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Speaker 1: be back with two more hours right after this