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Speaker 5: We only got a couple of things to talk about today,
Speaker 5: Cowboys Nation. Just one or two or three or a
Speaker 5: million possible different scenarios surrounding your head coach. And one
Speaker 5: of them that we know is not going to happen
Speaker 5: is that Mike McCarthy will not return as the head
Speaker 5: coach in Dallas. Got the full cast and crew ready
Speaker 5: for you to rock today. Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Roderiguez,
Speaker 5: Isaiah Standback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 5: glad you're with us. It was about eleven o'clock yesterday
Speaker 5: Monday morning that Tom Pellissero from the NFL Network tweeted
Speaker 5: the breaking news the Cowboys and head coach Mike McCarthy
Speaker 5: have agreed to part ways. Very shortly after that, the
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys media team has confirmed and we have been
Speaker 5: off to the races since then. With all these speculating,
Speaker 5: all the speculative thoughts and conspiracy theories about next head coach,
Speaker 5: don't spill my business on the air, okay, till we
Speaker 5: got a long way to go about how it unwinded though,
Speaker 5: conspiracy theories about how the whole thing happened, and then
Speaker 5: conspiracy theories about what's next and where are the Cowboys
Speaker 5: going to go from here? So we'll start with Patrick
Speaker 5: here little news and notes and you and I had
Speaker 5: the Breaking News podcast yesterday, but just for our talking viewers,
Speaker 5: I listened outlined too.
Speaker 1: It was a good podcast.
Speaker 7: It was really solid.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you guys went over your time. I mean,
Speaker 8: but it was we definitely went over.
Speaker 3: M not.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: I was definitely on kid pick up duty and listening
Speaker 8: at the same time. I'm dedicated.
Speaker 1: Well done. I like it.
Speaker 5: It's good for you to make up after missing last one,
Speaker 5: got the story.
Speaker 6: Shows left to come to make up. Then you missed this.
Speaker 9: Pastor you're gonna pickle down take that NFL network on
Speaker 9: tom So teammate.
Speaker 8: Obviously, like how said we know Karthy and the Dallas
Speaker 8: Cowboys are partying ways going forward. The Cowboys did say
Speaker 8: in their statement that they were going to commit their
Speaker 8: search immediately, and boy, they were not kidding around. Jerry
Speaker 8: Jones put in a call to none other than Colorado
Speaker 8: head coach Sanders from a former Dallas We're.
Speaker 5: Sure Jerry actually dialed the phone and called or did
Speaker 5: Colorado possibly or Dion possibly.
Speaker 1: Call the other way around? So saying.
Speaker 8: I'm saying it was probably c like they probably had
Speaker 8: a little yeah, a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: There's more on that.
Speaker 5: I want you to continue before I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it's all.
Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, we're gonna talk about that.
Speaker 4: I hear this.
Speaker 8: As far as who sent the hey, big head text,
Speaker 8: you know, I'm sure Jerry probably big You know that
Speaker 8: that you up going keep going, So we don't rumor
Speaker 8: has it reportedly it was Jerry Jones and the Cowboys
Speaker 8: who reached out to Dion Sanders and uh with primary
Speaker 8: interest and UH.
Speaker 7: Prelimit primate Mary primary Mary.
Speaker 8: Mary preliminary is the better word, preliminary interest with interviewing
Speaker 8: him possibly interviewing him. No formal interview has been set
Speaker 8: between the two. No formal interview has taken place. It
Speaker 8: was just a back channel conversation to gauge interest. Reportedly
Speaker 8: there is mutual interest, and now we're gonna circle to
Speaker 8: the opinion part of it.
Speaker 1: Stop it. My opinion is it is your opinion has stopped.
Speaker 1: My opinion is stopping. I get it.
Speaker 8: It's the headlines, it's fun, yeah, Eon, it's all the things.
Speaker 8: But what's going to ultimately happen is it's gonna go
Speaker 8: nowhere and Colorado's gonna up the bag that much more
Speaker 8: for Dion. So you could arguably say this is a
Speaker 8: leverage move by Dion. And that's where I'm gonna leave
Speaker 8: it with my opinion.
Speaker 6: Dion doesn't want to be here.
Speaker 5: Let's let's let that completely know Dan, why not Kyle,
Speaker 5: Because he wants full control of what he does to
Speaker 5: build a football team, and that's what he did at
Speaker 5: Jackson State, That's what he did at Cedar Hill Trinity
Speaker 5: Christian That's what he did here now currently with the
Speaker 5: Colorado Buffaloes. He doesn't want that at the NFL level,
Speaker 5: plain and simple. He's good friends with Jerry. They have
Speaker 5: a relationship back and forth and it has been since
Speaker 5: he played here in Dallas. It makes storylines, but he's
Speaker 5: amidst a contract negotiation for an extension in Colorado before
Speaker 5: that phone call happened.
Speaker 1: It's a leverage movie.
Speaker 7: And these two men of the same idea when it
Speaker 7: comes to business one.
Speaker 1: They knowsating, they know.
Speaker 10: How to market themselves, and they know how to make headlines.
Speaker 10: I'm not saying that's a big part of what you're
Speaker 10: seeing now.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it would would not be fun. Oh
Speaker 5: my goodness, the media circus would be unbelievable. It would
Speaker 5: be the most entertaining thing of all time.
Speaker 1: Is it a great X's and O's move. Maybe, who knows.
Speaker 5: We don't know really what's gonna happen out of the
Speaker 5: next head coaching higher It could be a terrible X's
Speaker 5: and O's move outside of of Deon Sanders. But man,
Speaker 5: I just don't see this one a mutual agreement of
Speaker 5: let's do this.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 8: I think it's it's headline driven and as far as
Speaker 8: the news and notes, let's give the objectivity. And here
Speaker 8: is Deon Sanders' response to the reports quote to hear
Speaker 8: from Jerry Jones is truly delightful and it's intriguing. I
Speaker 8: love Jerry and believe in Jerry. But after you hang
Speaker 8: up and process it and think about it, it's intriguing.
Speaker 8: But I love Boulder and everything there is about our team,
Speaker 8: the coaches, our student body, and the community.
Speaker 1: End quote. He's not leaving Colorado.
Speaker 7: It would be really fun, though I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: It's not real.
Speaker 8: It'd be fun as far as just roller coaster without
Speaker 8: the harness coming down and it's like, wow.
Speaker 1: This is really dangerous and I might die, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna have fun.
Speaker 7: It would be a really fun offseason.
Speaker 10: However, I think your excitement would kind of roller coaster
Speaker 10: all the way down when it comes to, like, you know,
Speaker 10: a week one, like oh god.
Speaker 7: Gonna play, Oh this is happening, This is happening. It
Speaker 7: would be a fascinating officer.
Speaker 8: Well, first, let's start with this because irs and and Josh,
Speaker 8: you guys weren't on the emergency pod, and I know
Speaker 8: that you were agreeents that we agreed that I would
Speaker 8: bring we would bring Mike McCarthy back. My thing was
Speaker 8: all four of us, all of us were. My thing
Speaker 8: was and that were we wanted that we wanted wanted.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I did not think he was going
Speaker 1: to come. I don't. I think you and I were
Speaker 1: in the same agreeance there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was going to and this is where it
Speaker 8: and I'm hearing the same whispers, So I'm going to
Speaker 8: go ahead and say this is confirmed. So the reports
Speaker 8: initially were that the Cowboys and McCarthy were kind of
Speaker 8: not at odds, but they were not on the same
Speaker 8: page as far as length of contract is concerned. If
Speaker 8: that's the case, I understand what McCarthy did.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 8: I would not have given him more than a two
Speaker 8: year deal, and I said that. I said that, but
Speaker 8: I also said in the same breath, he's not going
Speaker 8: to accept the whole year deal or a one year
Speaker 8: deal or a one year deal. So it sounds like
Speaker 8: more or less that's kind of what happened. The Cowboys
Speaker 8: approached him with something less than a four or five
Speaker 8: year deal. McCarthy was like, I want a four or
Speaker 8: five year deal, and if you're not going to give
Speaker 8: me that, then I'm going to have to head out.
Speaker 8: And Jered even were like, all right, So the next
Speaker 8: uber is coming in about twenty So for me, it
Speaker 8: was a McCarthy decision.
Speaker 1: Both sides wanted it to work.
Speaker 8: Jerry Jones, they wanted him back, but McCarthy wanted more years,
Speaker 8: and even I was not comfortable with another four or
Speaker 8: five years.
Speaker 1: So not about money, It was about tenure. It was
Speaker 1: about tenure, Okay, I think it was about you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I do believe McCarthy was probably, especially given
Speaker 8: who his agent is, was probably looking for a pay
Speaker 8: increase because inflation is a thing too.
Speaker 1: From twenty twenty to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely it is, so I can almost guarantee McCarthy
Speaker 8: was looking for a bump and pay. But I think
Speaker 8: the priority for McCarthy was stability over the pay versus
Speaker 8: someone like a Ben Johnson, who, yes, Ben Johnson wants
Speaker 8: some stability, but Ben Johnson wants the megabag. Also, people
Speaker 8: need to understand when you say Mike McCarthy, you're saying
Speaker 8: every other coach that is under his own umbrella. That's
Speaker 8: what I don't believe that people are understanding about these negotiations.
Speaker 8: In these conversations, he's not just negotiating on behalf of
Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy and Mike McCarthy's household. It is literally every
Speaker 8: other coordinator, every other position coach, every other assistant, strength coach, everybody, everybody, everybody,
Speaker 8: everybody three rs. That's who he's speaking on behalf of
Speaker 8: so even outside of himself where he I can't speak
Speaker 8: for him right, but he may have been willing to
Speaker 8: take a lesser year contract, but he I don't believe
Speaker 8: he was willing to put his staff.
Speaker 1: In that situation as well.
Speaker 7: Again again, by the way, just again, can you get
Speaker 7: into this year already with it being on?
Speaker 10: But why would he want to go through that same
Speaker 10: roller coaster again with the same questions, the same type
Speaker 10: every year.
Speaker 7: It's the spotlight is.
Speaker 10: On him yet again with a longer term deal. You
Speaker 10: don't have that spotlight as hot on you for this season.
Speaker 10: You know, it's at least it lets you breathe for one.
Speaker 8: Well, he's faced something every year exactly outside of the
Speaker 8: first year, which was a COVID year, He's face something
Speaker 8: every year. He said he brought dan Quinn on. They
Speaker 8: had success. The question was, oh dan Quinn gonna be here?
Speaker 8: Is Jane Quinn gonna take his job or they gonna
Speaker 8: swap right, then it was Keller more conversation right.
Speaker 1: Oh, like every year it was something right, every year
Speaker 1: was a threat to him.
Speaker 7: Comes with the title man, yeah, weight.
Speaker 8: And with that comes Okay, once it comes time to negotiating,
Speaker 8: I now need to roll all of that up and
Speaker 8: turn that into dollar signs so that I can bear
Speaker 8: that weight.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 8: And we've said it a hundred times. Free agency, it
Speaker 8: doesn't matter if it's a player, assistant coach, or a
Speaker 8: head coach. Free agency is a two way street. And
Speaker 8: this is not was not a Jason Garrett situation that
Speaker 8: were not teams interested in interviewing Jason Garrett as he
Speaker 8: was exiting the Cowboys organization. There are teams interested in
Speaker 8: bringing on Micha McCarthy as he exits the situation. So
Speaker 8: that means that he was able to walk in and
Speaker 8: have some demand and if his demands were it met
Speaker 8: his deal breakers is non negotiables, and if they couldn't
Speaker 8: meet his non negotiables, then you get where we are
Speaker 8: right now, which is the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You're looking for their ninth head coach.
Speaker 10: And just really quickly, when it comes to the Cowboys
Speaker 10: denying Mike McCarthy interview with the Chicago Bears earlier last week.
Speaker 10: To me, there's a lot of backlash from that move
Speaker 10: because now people are like.
Speaker 7: Well, why did you let him? You know, because they
Speaker 7: were if why would you why would you give them
Speaker 7: that opportunity?
Speaker 10: Like to me, that that's a silly argument at this
Speaker 10: point to say, after the fact, of course, hindsight is
Speaker 10: twenty twenty, but of course you don't let him interview
Speaker 10: because you're still in negotiations at that point.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 10: Granted you're not in contractual negotiations, but you're still trying
Speaker 10: to figure out what the future of your team is.
Speaker 7: Why would you give Chicago the opportunity to interview this
Speaker 7: guy before you need to? This is a business man. Yeah,
Speaker 7: people are like, oh, petty by the front office, that's stupid.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I just think that's it's people trying to
Speaker 6: get clicks, not saying.
Speaker 10: That the Cowboys have handled everything correctly this offseason by
Speaker 10: any means, yes, by any means yes.
Speaker 7: However, in that to that point, why would you do it?
Speaker 7: There's no benefit to you to do to doing that.
Speaker 7: Wait a week, bro, it's a week the offseason. We
Speaker 7: got a long way to go.
Speaker 5: Nobody's getting hung out to drive. From a McCarthy's standpoint
Speaker 5: or a McCarthy's staff standpoint, because he waited a week
Speaker 5: to negotiate the rest of this contract, that's just playing something.
Speaker 1: The only thing.
Speaker 6: Nobody's left out the drive.
Speaker 1: There was no petty means in that capacity.
Speaker 8: I agree, because it's just the Kyle and I have
Speaker 8: some business to discuss and we're sitting in a room.
Speaker 8: It's just Mono with Mono, and Isaiah has some business
Speaker 8: that he wants to talk to Cal about and he
Speaker 8: comes in. Yeah, taps on the glass and want to
Speaker 8: be hold on a second. Let me let me see
Speaker 8: what we all finished before Kyle and you start having
Speaker 8: these conversations, cause I don't know what you're going to
Speaker 8: say to Cal and that might completely derail what.
Speaker 7: He and I the business that we're trying to So
Speaker 7: just hold off.
Speaker 8: So that didn't negatively impact McCarthy at all, But it
Speaker 8: did negatively impact the cowboys by waiting that we to
Speaker 8: part wait. No, that's different reason being because example Ben Johnson,
Speaker 8: Aaron Glenn, those requests windows closed in that week that
Speaker 8: it took you to decide, or it took McCarthy and
Speaker 8: you to decide you were going to part ways, and
Speaker 8: now you can't talk to those two guys until after
Speaker 8: their season concludes, and if their season takes them to
Speaker 8: the super Bowl, then you got to wait until after
Speaker 8: the super Bowl.
Speaker 5: It's almost like before the final game, before the season
Speaker 5: was even over, that there was a podcast that outlined
Speaker 5: the importance of making a decision, what might one way
Speaker 5: or the other?
Speaker 1: I just I think there was one. It was called
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Yeah, that one the most of that pod. Really.
Speaker 6: I tried to stand it.
Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't.
Speaker 7: I tried to stand on a table. Nobody heard me though.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Isaiah's making faces. I need it, Coy Isaiah,
Speaker 1: is he back?
Speaker 6: Do you make the trip back for Vegas?
Speaker 8: I just want people to understand that when we start
Speaker 8: talking about coach McCarthy and the leverage that he gained
Speaker 8: after understanding that there was going to be a market
Speaker 8: for him, negotiations get a little bit more more fair, right,
Speaker 8: and then the tides kind of turn a little bit,
Speaker 8: and there's a lot of a lot of games that
Speaker 8: are played and negotiating, So we don't know, we don't
Speaker 8: know how these conversations went.
Speaker 1: We don't know who was taking who we don't know
Speaker 1: who was taking the time.
Speaker 8: It very well might have been McCarthy drawing it out
Speaker 8: to ensure that they couldn't talk to her.
Speaker 1: You never know.
Speaker 8: There's all kinds of different leverage moves, and this chess
Speaker 8: when you start talking about contracts, this chess man. I've
Speaker 8: dealt with this for the forever many years now. All right,
Speaker 8: y me, let me go ahead and draw this out
Speaker 8: a little bit, because again I am not Jason Garrett,
Speaker 8: and I got options, and and to turn down offer
Speaker 8: that's in front of you.
Speaker 1: You know that there's an option that you can take it.
Speaker 1: What Chris Rock say, only faith l options? Yeah for real.
Speaker 5: So it all kind of boils down to what happened
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four, I mean the season that was
Speaker 5: you were given a one chance, given a one year
Speaker 5: opportunity to try and take this team to the level
Speaker 5: you were anticipated to take them in the previous years, the.
Speaker 1: Twelve and five, twelve and five, twelve and five.
Speaker 5: That was the that was the bar, that was, let's
Speaker 5: make it at the beginning of the year exactly, and
Speaker 5: you did not get there, safe to say, so that
Speaker 5: was part of the decision, was the one in three
Speaker 5: record in playoffs, the way you lost to Green Bay
Speaker 5: was a legitimate contributor to the decision making process. And really,
Speaker 5: if the front office was not reluctant.
Speaker 1: To bring back Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy would.
Speaker 5: Still be here playing and simple everybody that's saying, and
Speaker 5: I completely agree with how it happened where it's length
Speaker 5: of the deal and there's just a disconnect there. If
Speaker 5: there was any sort of buy in from the front
Speaker 5: office that Mike McCarthy was indeed the right person for
Speaker 5: the job, he would still.
Speaker 1: Be here because they would they would have made the
Speaker 1: deal possible.
Speaker 5: But there was a reluctant side from the front office.
Speaker 5: There was a reluctant side from Mike McCarthy, and because
Speaker 5: of that, that's why they ended up parting ways. Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy did not tell Jerry Jones in the front office,
Speaker 5: nor if anything. Jerry Jones said, it's on our terms.
Speaker 5: If anything, if you're coming back, it is going to
Speaker 5: be on our terms, And it wasn't on there.
Speaker 8: They both said the same thing, yes, but correct and
Speaker 8: every windows and whatever came after that.
Speaker 1: Ellipses, that's what that's that's.
Speaker 10: What came to the crossroads. Well, that's why he's not
Speaker 10: here one hundred percent. I think whenever we were talking
Speaker 10: about him after the Bucks came and we were all
Speaker 10: very much in agreement, like, all right, he needs to
Speaker 10: come back, like that's that was the That.
Speaker 1: Was the final hourrah.
Speaker 7: That was the final hurrah.
Speaker 10: That was you know, you saw the team galvin Ies
Speaker 10: behind him and like all of the positive things that
Speaker 10: were saying. However, I think I had said, or one
Speaker 10: of us had said, after that game, it's like, okay,
Speaker 10: but if you do if you play like you did
Speaker 10: against Baltimore, if you play like you did against the
Speaker 10: Story against UH, for any of these last two or
Speaker 10: three games, right, I would reconsider the thought that we're
Speaker 10: having now, which was like.
Speaker 7: Why would you go back? Why would you go back?
Speaker 10: And then Phill And then Philly happened, and then that
Speaker 10: that happened, how it happened. You fought against the Commanders,
Speaker 10: which was a decent game, you've lost at the end.
Speaker 10: I don't think that necessarily played into the idea of
Speaker 10: it all. It was that Philly game that really broke
Speaker 10: it for me and ultimately for me, if if it
Speaker 10: were if it were up to me, I would have
Speaker 10: brought McCarthy back, but I would have demanded he not
Speaker 10: call plays That.
Speaker 1: Would maybe, but that would have been a.
Speaker 10: Sticky point for me because time and time again in
Speaker 10: the red zone, when you saw his situational awareness when
Speaker 10: it came to the red zone, I had no confidence
Speaker 10: that we were going to score touchdowns.
Speaker 7: It's like, okay, this is the Brandon Aubrey show.
Speaker 10: Now once you get past you when you can ridiculous, man,
Speaker 10: ridiculous To me, that is a yeah. But for McCarthy
Speaker 10: because he's like, why would I give up calling place?
Speaker 10: This is my team, this is how I run, And
Speaker 10: felt like that was a slight comes not here anymore.
Speaker 7: So yeah, not exactly what what I said.
Speaker 8: Not.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well he wouldn't have been back with macarthy.
Speaker 5: I speaking of now that Mike McCarthy is on his
Speaker 5: way out the door, wherever he ends up next to,
Speaker 5: I mean I personally want to wish him best.
Speaker 7: Yes, of course that's not really good, dude, excellent.
Speaker 5: So wish him best wherever he does end up, whether
Speaker 5: it's as a coordinator, head coach, or wherever it may be.
Speaker 6: Uh, well, I'm sure we'll see.
Speaker 7: Him down the line, because he will be in the
Speaker 7: NFL about this table.
Speaker 1: Will he get a job? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I have a know good for you.
Speaker 7: He takes another stands say what he thinks he's going
Speaker 7: to get one?
Speaker 1: He's not.
Speaker 3: It's there's only right now, there's only six spots, correct,
Speaker 3: So tell me where he's going, New.
Speaker 1: Orleans, New Orleans.
Speaker 6: So Aaron Glenn's I can get that job. No, that's
Speaker 6: where he came from.
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's where he was right. Party also has
Speaker 1: history dominator in New Orleans as well.
Speaker 10: Another year, guy Mike mccarthy'll say, yeah, I think Aaron
Speaker 10: Glenn's getting that That's that's what I think.
Speaker 6: I think Eric Glenn's getting this job.
Speaker 5: Now at the U, there's a lot to talk about
Speaker 5: in terms of who is that next man up at
Speaker 5: the head coaching position, and could it be a guy
Speaker 5: that recruited Isaiah standback one time.
Speaker 6: We'll talk about it when we come back.
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Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 1: Someone like Cage Cage Match everything.
Speaker 8: Whenever these conversations come about. Whenever these conversations come about,
Speaker 8: I'm usually the the guy that's the odd ball, you know.
Speaker 8: I'm the one who says something to everybody's like you're crazy,
Speaker 8: and then, like you, later on, you find out that
Speaker 8: the person is getting interviewed.
Speaker 1: Last year, my crazy take true? What was Rex Ryan?
Speaker 1: I said, Rex Ryan was should be the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: here last still on television, He's still on.
Speaker 8: Television, but I still stand behind that. I feel like
Speaker 8: he should have been a defensive coordinator this past year.
Speaker 1: Are you going to say it? For this year? He's
Speaker 1: going to I think he's going to New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I think. I think he's good.
Speaker 5: But he's he's so vocal about that. On the on
Speaker 5: the broadcast, like yeah there was. They were showing a
Speaker 5: play of Josh Allen going into the Bills game and
Speaker 5: Josh Allen threw it like on a dime off balance
Speaker 5: deep into the New York Jets secondary and he goes
Speaker 5: that going to happen next year, hopefully I'm there, Like
Speaker 5: in the middle of his analysis.
Speaker 7: I feel like he has ten toes in the ground.
Speaker 1: And probably he likes toast. But yeah, in the game,
Speaker 1: suit what you did there? So this year my hot tape, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not a hot take guy.
Speaker 8: Last year was Rex Ryan. Obviously that did not pan out.
Speaker 8: But following that comment, Kyle laughed at me. I did
Speaker 8: on air, But then we found out days later that
Speaker 8: he was being interviewed and considered.
Speaker 1: Did he get interviewed? He did. I don't think he did.
Speaker 5: I think I thought they've just talked money and he
Speaker 5: said no. If that was from his part, there was
Speaker 5: never an official he.
Speaker 8: Lost to Mistah. Granted, I'm not gonna sit here and
Speaker 8: see the wrong decisions.
Speaker 1: I'm not conceiting he was considered.
Speaker 8: He was considered for the position BOO this year and
Speaker 8: now with the Mike McCarthy, and it was obviously following
Speaker 8: the last game. On the first word, I said that
Speaker 8: I don't believe that Mike McCarthy was going to return,
Speaker 8: but I've been very adamant that I was hoping that
Speaker 8: he was going to return.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately he's not here. I think that I don't think
Speaker 1: this will happen. This is my who I think should come.
Speaker 7: In it's a good feeling.
Speaker 1: If it's a good feeling, I think. I think I
Speaker 1: think John Gruden is the black sheep. I think he's.
Speaker 8: Obviously there's a lot of speculation around, you know, the
Speaker 8: stuff that he had that went down.
Speaker 1: That caused him to lose his job originally.
Speaker 8: I think that stuff's kind of getting swept under the rug,
Speaker 8: like things happened to do. Yeah, I think when you
Speaker 8: think about somebody who's going to come into this organization
Speaker 8: with everything that you have to bear as a head
Speaker 8: coach here, I think coach McCarthy felt the weight of
Speaker 8: a lot of that as well. I don't think that
Speaker 8: he necessarily wanted to do all the things that came
Speaker 8: with being the head coach of the Cowboys, but he
Speaker 8: did them right because that's what the job and you know, required.
Speaker 8: But I don't think it was a willingness. I think
Speaker 8: John Gruden will welcome all of those things. I think
Speaker 8: John Gruden is a great spokesperson in terms of forward facing.
Speaker 8: I think he can stand on business at all times.
Speaker 8: I don't I think he can handle the media very well.
Speaker 1: Very well.
Speaker 7: He's been in the media.
Speaker 8: He's been in the media prior to that. He knew
Speaker 8: how to handle the media. He just knows how to
Speaker 8: win as well. I like his his grit and the
Speaker 8: determination in terms of what when you start talking about
Speaker 8: a coach and what everybody underneath him embodies that that
Speaker 8: team embodies the spirit of the coach. Right, we talked
Speaker 8: about a dan Quinn Right, the whole, the whole state
Speaker 8: of this of this team changed when dan Quinn came
Speaker 8: out because people started embodying what DQ had. Now you're
Speaker 8: seeing it in Washington. I think John Gruden is one
Speaker 8: of those guys. I don't think that you're allowed to
Speaker 8: be soft and allowed to not have high effort if
Speaker 8: you're on.
Speaker 1: A John Gruden team.
Speaker 8: I think that's just one of the things that's just
Speaker 8: you just know, right in terms So that's culture, right,
Speaker 8: somebody who's got to bring a culture with them. You're
Speaker 8: not wondering if they're going to establish a culture. You're
Speaker 8: not wondering if they're capable of it. You're not wondering
Speaker 8: if they're just a good play caller. You know you're
Speaker 8: gonna get culture. You know you're gonna get disciplined. You
Speaker 8: know you're gonna get wins, right, and you know you're
Speaker 8: gonna get somebody who can handle the weight of the star.
Speaker 8: Those are all things that I believe that John Gruden possesses.
Speaker 8: Whether it happens or not, I don't know, but that's
Speaker 8: somebody that I know for sure to say, Hey, that
Speaker 8: dude right there can handle being the head coach of
Speaker 8: the Dallas Colbal.
Speaker 7: You can handle the weight Isaiah right now for sure.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, sir, hand up, Okay, fantastic points. Everything you
Speaker 8: said is a fantastic thank you, sir.
Speaker 7: So I'm not laughing at you. So my question just
Speaker 7: I wanted to let I wanted to let it be done.
Speaker 1: Laughing. So my question isn't necessarily for me.
Speaker 8: This is me playing Devil's average, going to be a
Speaker 8: Kyle Yeomans, nice right kid, So Devil's Advocate.
Speaker 1: Everything you said is absolutely correct.
Speaker 8: Okay, So if you're going to go that route with
Speaker 8: Grooden because of all of those things, the media portion notwithstanding,
Speaker 8: because who I'm about to say wasn't necessarily didn't have
Speaker 8: any TV broke, so he didn't move throughout the weeds
Speaker 8: and the TV world like that.
Speaker 1: If you're Jerry Jones.
Speaker 8: Why don't you just look at Mike Zimmer for those
Speaker 8: for everything that you talked about now this, no, this
Speaker 8: is not me saying I would.
Speaker 1: I'm asking why, advocate I see and I still stand
Speaker 1: behind this.
Speaker 8: I've seen Mike. I've seen Mike Zimmer throw his quarterback
Speaker 8: under the bus before before.
Speaker 1: Okay, his name is Kur. I can't look past that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't look past that. It was it was during
Speaker 1: a time that was that tumultuous, crazy time.
Speaker 8: Nobody knew what was going on. Somebody was standing on
Speaker 8: their beliefs or somebody was I hear you. That's that's
Speaker 8: different though, take right, So, so attacking my beliefs and
Speaker 8: attacking what you feel I should be doing or too
Speaker 8: because of completely different things, and then to throw somebody
Speaker 8: under the bus who was supposed to be the leader
Speaker 8: of your team publicly, I can't look past that.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 8: Now let me tell you who if because we talked
Speaker 8: about this on the emergency podcasts and go to Dallas
Speaker 8: Cowboys dot com. I have my twenty plus candidates that
Speaker 8: the Cowboys will have interest in, either somewhat or wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: That's up right now one Dallas call.
Speaker 8: I sectioned it off between the nflers, which a year
Speaker 8: old guard kind of in the John group. So I
Speaker 8: got John Gruten in there, and then you look at
Speaker 8: the in house guys Mike Zimmer, Al Harris Bones Fossil,
Speaker 8: and then you look at the collegiate guys.
Speaker 1: So go check it out.
Speaker 8: Sure, So right now we're talking about the box of
Speaker 8: the nflers is what I call them. John Gruton is
Speaker 8: an nfler. For me, I'll see you at John Gruton.
Speaker 1: I'll raise you. Pete Carroll in that box, all for
Speaker 1: it in that box. So for me, I don't.
Speaker 8: Disagree with anything that you're saying as far as Gruton
Speaker 8: is concerned, but I feel like turn the knob just
Speaker 8: a little bit, and I'm more in on Pete Carroll
Speaker 8: than I am on John. I understand that, especially when
Speaker 8: you're talking about more recent success at the NFL level.
Speaker 8: Also proficient with how to handle the media. You talk
Speaker 8: about someone who's been under the brightest of lights, whether
Speaker 8: it be at the USC program, and not just USC,
Speaker 8: but the USC program that's he orchestrated, came through that
Speaker 8: controversy mostly clean, went to Seattle, won a lot of games,
Speaker 8: won a Super Bowl, helped design that the Legion of
Speaker 8: Boom with Dan Quinn. So you got, you know, a
Speaker 8: taste of what Pete Carroll's tree can do for you.
Speaker 8: Why not go get the root of the actual tree.
Speaker 10: To that point, though, I am I'm curious though. If
Speaker 10: Will McClay is staying that to me informs me whether
Speaker 10: or not I go with Gruden or if I go
Speaker 10: with Carol. If it's Gruden, I need Will McClay because
Speaker 10: I've seen what Gruden has done as far as draft prospects,
Speaker 10: draft picks, picking guys that are very flashy. Will McLay
Speaker 10: has found diamonds in the rough, and you don't have
Speaker 10: as many draft picks as you would like going into
Speaker 10: this draft.
Speaker 7: Of course, that fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: Is, yes, the big one.
Speaker 5: They've got a lot of cop picks coming, because that's
Speaker 5: true the lack of offseason they had last year.
Speaker 6: But that fourth round pick missing.
Speaker 7: That is but you're gonna miss that.
Speaker 1: I love where you're going with this finish up.
Speaker 10: But with Pete Carroll, I think you do have an
Speaker 10: opportunity to still be successful as recruiting.
Speaker 7: Because of recruiting, people want to play for him.
Speaker 10: I think that is a huge tell whether if those
Speaker 10: are your two candidates, which way you're leaning. If you
Speaker 10: don't have Will McLay, I don't want John gun in
Speaker 10: that case.
Speaker 8: How about this? I don't why is it a situation?
Speaker 8: And you're right, but I don't feel like it should
Speaker 8: be a situation where you have to choose. Again, we're
Speaker 8: just talking about this box. We'll get to the Ben
Speaker 8: Johnson's and the other in the Kellen Mooreris we'll talk
Speaker 8: about that, but just speaking in this box, why not
Speaker 8: dragon Ball?
Speaker 1: Why not do a fusion dance?
Speaker 8: Pete Carroll and Will McLay fantastic recruiting, fantastic scouting, doubt
Speaker 8: Why force yourself into a situation where you have to
Speaker 8: choose between one and the other?
Speaker 1: YEA, just fuse.
Speaker 8: I've played for Pete Carroll and heruited you, and he
Speaker 8: recruited me heavily harder than any body.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see for sure it didn't work.
Speaker 1: But my first.
Speaker 8: My first day of practice in Seattle after he has
Speaker 8: signed me, was he came up to me a stretch
Speaker 8: line and said, I told you I was gonna get you.
Speaker 8: I don't see Pete Carroll living in Texas. Wow, I
Speaker 8: think that's a geographic decision for Pete Carroll. What I mean, honestly,
Speaker 8: you're saying this as somebody who knows him personally, but
Speaker 8: got you got to give him.
Speaker 7: But things have changed for Pete Carroll.
Speaker 8: Things have changed, Things have changed, but there is still
Speaker 8: a job on the west coast. M miss what's the
Speaker 8: west coast?
Speaker 6: Vegas?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that considered the west Coast's definitely west coast.
Speaker 6: I mean like three hours.
Speaker 1: Drive to l A.
Speaker 5: Are we on the bulf of Mexico in Dallas because
Speaker 5: they're about the same amount of drive.
Speaker 7: Calveston's right there.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean saying I think he's more Las Vegas than
Speaker 8: he is Dallas. That's not to say that the Cowboys
Speaker 8: want to talk to him. That's not to say that
Speaker 8: he wouldn't work here. I think he would. I think
Speaker 8: Coach Carroll can work anywhere because he's a He's a
Speaker 8: culture guy. Right, you talked about the DQ's of the
Speaker 8: world and all these they came from his tree. He
Speaker 8: can make it happen, for sure. I just think that
Speaker 8: if he had a choice, I think he would prefer
Speaker 8: Vegas over Dallas. Now here's what I think could overcome that.
Speaker 8: What we talked about yesterday on the Emergency Pod. This
Speaker 8: is a Cowboys team that has cornerstone pieces, yes, already
Speaker 8: in place. You got your franchise quarterbacks. He's an All
Speaker 8: Pro and a former MVP front runner. You got your
Speaker 8: franchise wide receiver record center in Ceedee Lamb. You got
Speaker 8: an all world generational pass rusher that you're in all
Speaker 8: for all intents and purposes. You're about to give him
Speaker 8: the super bag. Okay, you have two All Pro corners,
Speaker 8: so for to Marvin Overshoon once he comes back from injury,
Speaker 8: you have Bandre and you got an All Pro kicker.
Speaker 8: You got an All Pro returner. So yeah, Cayle made
Speaker 8: a wonderful point yesterday. Spots eleven through fifty three, there's
Speaker 8: a lot to be worked out there, Spots one through
Speaker 8: ten or eleven. Vegas can't boast that there's a lot
Speaker 8: of teams in the Chicago can't boast that.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville can't boast at New Orleans can't boast that.
Speaker 8: So if if the breaking or the deal breaker for
Speaker 8: Pete is simply Texas versus Illinois versus Florida, I can
Speaker 8: overcome that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, look at what we have and what they
Speaker 1: don't have. It's not just that I.
Speaker 8: Understand how and height of a relationship and those state
Speaker 8: texts that Coach Carroll had with Snyder when he was
Speaker 8: in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Those guys were like they were like attached at the hill.
Speaker 1: They agreed. So understand how in symmetry he has to
Speaker 1: be with the gym or Will McLay. Will McLay, maybe
Speaker 1: the symmetry just needs to exist with Will McClay. Right.
Speaker 1: So so that's the nfler's box.
Speaker 8: In the NFL's box, we got John Grutin, we got
Speaker 8: who do we say, Pete Carroll. But then of course
Speaker 8: the elephant in the room is the coordinator's box. So
Speaker 8: now Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Kellen Moore, who that's a
Speaker 8: big one. He's a front runner, whether you like it
Speaker 8: or not. And I'm going to say that I'm not
Speaker 8: in on that, but speaking from the thought process of
Speaker 8: the guys upstairs, Kellen Moore is absolutely from.
Speaker 6: He I know you don't like it, and you don't
Speaker 6: see it.
Speaker 1: I don't either, and I don't see it, but they
Speaker 1: see it, but I.
Speaker 8: Just I don't When you start speaking on the Ben Johnson's,
Speaker 8: the Aaron Glens, I think Top Monkin, I think Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 8: You have a better idea of the culture that you
Speaker 8: would have underneath Aaron Glenn than you would of the
Speaker 8: culture of Ben Johnson. I don't know him well enough
Speaker 8: to speak on him, but I don't I've never heard
Speaker 8: of culture or the environment that he's created. There you
Speaker 8: hear about his play calling, I haven't heard much about
Speaker 8: the culture that he's kind of created.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he's a.
Speaker 5: Little bit more soft spoken and timid than Dan Campbell's
Speaker 5: not a little a little yeah, I mean, like today
Speaker 5: one A lot of times coordinators will elevate to the
Speaker 5: inner level.
Speaker 8: So for sure, that's so that's my That's always my fear.
Speaker 8: That's always my fear when it comes to head coaches,
Speaker 8: is you could be a hell of a play caller,
Speaker 8: a hell of a coordinator. I don't mean that you're
Speaker 8: gonna be a great head coach. Yeah, right, And if
Speaker 8: you're soft spoken. Through my experience and for what I've
Speaker 8: seen around the league, even just the coaches that I
Speaker 8: had and the coaches that i've seen now, quiet and
Speaker 8: timid or not, whatever you might want to call it
Speaker 8: as a great play caller. You have to manage the coaches.
Speaker 8: Your job is to coach the coaches. That's what a
Speaker 8: head coach's job is, coach the coaches and manage everything else.
Speaker 8: You're the executive other coaches. I don't know Ben Johnson's
Speaker 8: leadership skills. I don't I play with with Aaron Gliss.
Speaker 8: I have an idea of that. I don't have an
Speaker 8: idea of who's the other person? You got said killing Moore, Benja.
Speaker 1: I mean killing Moore. I don't see. I'm Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: is a good play I don't see him as a
Speaker 1: lead leader man. I just don't. So that's when I
Speaker 1: think of a head coach. That's why Gruden pops.
Speaker 8: Up immediately to immediately to me, I think, obviously, Ron Rivera,
Speaker 8: that's gonna go about I pushed back there from a
Speaker 8: lot of people. But you talk about leader of men,
Speaker 8: leader of men, that's what you're trying to come in. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I feel you, But like that's what you're coming in
Speaker 8: and asking of a coach. Yeah you want to win, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 8: but what goes into that, right? Who's your staff that
Speaker 8: you're bringing in? Do you have command of those coaches.
Speaker 8: Are you going to be able to tell those coaches
Speaker 8: this is the culture that we're running, and they're gonna say, okay, right,
Speaker 8: those are all things. Does your strength and conditioning program
Speaker 8: match up with your style of play?
Speaker 1: Right? These are all things that go into that leadership.
Speaker 8: And if you don't have a good sense of that
Speaker 8: person coming in with that all wrapped up, now you're hoping.
Speaker 1: Now you're guessing. Now you just don't know, right, Kellamar
Speaker 1: what culture does he bring? I don't know. Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: what culture does you bring?
Speaker 13: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Your office line is gonna be catching the ball?
Speaker 8: I don't know, right, Aaron Glynn, Okay, you know there's
Speaker 8: gonna be some discipline there, right, These guys are gonna
Speaker 8: be They're gonna be butting up, right, They're gonna be
Speaker 8: butting up.
Speaker 1: But when I think about that's why I lean towards in.
Speaker 8: Terms of this organization, I lean towards the people who
Speaker 8: have done it before, right, Yeah, to say, okay, you
Speaker 8: know what, organ I'm not running the risk, right, I
Speaker 8: just let go on, McCarthy. I'm not about to run
Speaker 8: the risk on rolling the dice and seeing who may
Speaker 8: or may not work out like they have this this
Speaker 8: box check, but I don't know about these other boxes.
Speaker 1: That's why I lean towards Gruden, right or the RIVERA.
Speaker 8: Rivera is the guys that are more established, because like, Okay,
Speaker 8: I've seen them lead, I've seen them get to the
Speaker 8: big games, or I've seen them do these things, and
Speaker 8: i know what I'm going to get and I'm hopeful
Speaker 8: that I can get it again or get more out
Speaker 8: of them.
Speaker 1: Right, But I know for sure that I have a
Speaker 1: baseline there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it gives you at least some level of confidence
Speaker 5: going into it, and you don't necessarily have that outside
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 6: Now, we got to take our second break.
Speaker 5: When we come back, I want to talk about who
Speaker 5: this could affect from an assistance standpoint, and I want
Speaker 5: to throw one more name out there that was talked
Speaker 5: about yesterday during the emergency pod that I want to
Speaker 5: just go ahead and cross off the list entirely. I
Speaker 5: want to cross with yeah, all right, when we come
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Speaker 5: All right back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment of
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Speaker 6: All right. There were a couple names yesterday. I want
Speaker 6: to cross one off.
Speaker 5: Patrick wants to cross one off in terms of names
Speaker 5: that the Cowboys could think about. We had a conversation
Speaker 5: yesterday of what it would take to bring Sean McVay
Speaker 5: into the building, and a lot of that results around
Speaker 5: a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I'd give it up, I know you would. Would La
Speaker 1: give it up?
Speaker 7: Would they give up Sean McVay up at the second.
Speaker 8: As of a couple of months ago? Inside I had
Speaker 8: Sean want it. He still is open to get He
Speaker 8: wants to get out of there.
Speaker 5: Sure, I'm looking at that game last night. I think
Speaker 5: that's an absolute pipe trick. Oh yeah, I don't know
Speaker 5: what they have a thing anymore. La doesn't want to
Speaker 5: get rid of him. He he may not one out anymore.
Speaker 5: He may one out, who knows, But it's really not.
Speaker 1: Up to him at this point, this after next weekend.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I I just don't think it's going to be
Speaker 6: a thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's highly probable. I think it's impossible.
Speaker 1: I would impossible.
Speaker 5: I would stake a bet like I would do a
Speaker 5: hot Chip challenge if that ends up happening, I would
Speaker 5: one hundred.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not good with spicy, Okay, so
Speaker 1: I would do it. I would die. So that's your
Speaker 1: strike through it at the probability.
Speaker 6: I'm striking through Sean McVay, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: Happening.
Speaker 8: I'm striking through Bill Belichick. Yeah, got a job number one,
Speaker 8: he has a job. But yeah, things can pivot and
Speaker 8: things can change. Like Isaia said, nothing impossible.
Speaker 13: But.
Speaker 1: Stop it. Jerry Jones is not going to pay the
Speaker 1: ten million.
Speaker 8: Dollars it would take to buy Bill Belichick out and
Speaker 8: then pay the exorbitant salary that would then be required
Speaker 8: by Bill Belichick, who also, by the way, what's that
Speaker 8: sea word that Janet used to say?
Speaker 1: Control? Oh okay, Yeah, it's not happening, right.
Speaker 8: For the same reason that Jerry Jones is not going
Speaker 8: to pay eight plus million dollars to buy Deon Sanders
Speaker 8: out of the contract to Color.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. So strike through Bill Belichick.
Speaker 8: I think that he's really setting up himself for the
Speaker 8: University of North Carolina and that's just going to be
Speaker 8: a thing.
Speaker 1: So strike that, and for me an add on, strike.
Speaker 8: Jason Whitten as a viable head coaching candidate. Okay, we
Speaker 8: talk about lack of experience and how and I agree
Speaker 8: with you. You don't necessarily have time for a guy
Speaker 8: who doesn't have the NFL experience. But there's some You
Speaker 8: can make an excuse for Ben Johnson, you can make
Speaker 8: an excuse for that. Erin Glynn, you can make an
Speaker 8: excuse for that. If they want to make an excuse
Speaker 8: for Keller Moore, they will find a reason to make
Speaker 8: an excuse for Kella Moore. But what you can't just
Speaker 8: is pulling a guy up who has only two to
Speaker 8: three years of coaching experience period, and all of that
Speaker 8: is at the high school in Jason Whitt. So strip
Speaker 8: through that. But I would love to have Jason Witten
Speaker 8: as a position coach. We talked about what that would
Speaker 8: mean as far as the shake up that's coming within
Speaker 8: the assistant coaching ranks.
Speaker 1: Let me be clear.
Speaker 8: If hiring Jason Witten as a position coach costs you
Speaker 8: Lounda Wells, then it's not worth the hire. If hiring
Speaker 8: Jason Whitten keeps Lounda Welles, but maybe you put Lounda
Speaker 8: Wells in a different position, like an offensive line coach,
Speaker 8: which he's done before. But that also allows Lounda to
Speaker 8: still be in the building helping Jason Witten with the
Speaker 8: tight ends again fusion dance.
Speaker 1: I'm with that.
Speaker 7: Well, what about the people that are i mean, obviously,
Speaker 7: Jason Witten.
Speaker 10: Is a beloved figure in Cowboy's history, right, what about
Speaker 10: the people that are saying, well, look at what Dan
Speaker 10: Campbell's done.
Speaker 7: Look at a former player turn head.
Speaker 1: Coach and in a bottle.
Speaker 8: And also you have to Isaiah made a wonderful point.
Speaker 8: I'm going to circle right back to this. When you're
Speaker 8: assessing the Dan Campbell situation, you can't look at it
Speaker 8: as a vacuum and say, oh, well, they hired Dan Campbell.
Speaker 8: He was a four I'm a Cowboys player. He went
Speaker 8: up there and he changed the whole culture.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Changing the whole culture? Right? He
Speaker 1: was given the control to be able to pull in
Speaker 1: a Bill Johnson and Therey.
Speaker 8: Glenn and those other positional coaches to move that Titanic
Speaker 8: away from that iceberg.
Speaker 1: Will that all of those variables.
Speaker 8: Exist in the exact same way, in the exact same
Speaker 8: fashion here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: The answer is no.
Speaker 8: So you can't hope for another Dan Campbell. You gotta
Speaker 8: go with what probably fits you best in the right now.
Speaker 8: So if you want to go youthful and a guy
Speaker 8: he wasn't a former cowboy, but former Pro Bowl caliber
Speaker 8: guy who's helped turn some guys around, Al Harris is
Speaker 8: staring you right there in the face.
Speaker 1: If you want to roll some dice, If you want
Speaker 1: to roll.
Speaker 10: Some dice as NFL head coaching or NFL coaching experience coaching.
Speaker 8: And you've seen his ability to develop exactly You've seen
Speaker 8: he's a guy that players will run through a wall for,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. So if you're gonna roll dice, though,
Speaker 8: that's the name, that's justifiable to roll dice. For as
Speaker 8: much as I love Jason Witten, we're talking to head
Speaker 8: coaching conversation, I'm out on that respectfully.
Speaker 1: Respectfully, of course, that's just for say whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say, respectfully.
Speaker 8: I know I have such reverence for Jason as a man,
Speaker 8: as a father. You know, if you know his story
Speaker 8: coming up, it's.
Speaker 7: On Deep Blue Dallas Copples dot com.
Speaker 8: Everything he overcame to become one of the best to
Speaker 8: ever do it. I do think that he will be
Speaker 8: a sensational NFL coach at some point. That point is
Speaker 8: not right now. He needs more grooming and it starts
Speaker 8: with coming from high school. Give him a position to job,
Speaker 8: and then let him work his way up over the
Speaker 8: next several.
Speaker 5: For every Dan Campbell, and that is more so the
Speaker 5: exception and not the rule. For every Dan Campbell, there's
Speaker 5: also a draw Mayo. Yes, there's also Jeff Saturday. There's
Speaker 5: guys that are making that quick transition in the league
Speaker 5: that don't have success because of whatever parameters they're given,
Speaker 5: the roster they're given, and all of those elements.
Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday in Indianapolis, no where to go.
Speaker 5: He was the head coach there for a hot set
Speaker 5: after that. Yeah, he was just on the broadcast with
Speaker 5: Everybuddy restaurant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Again, Dan Campbell was lightning in the bottle and he
Speaker 8: had they gave him the control, Yeah, to turn that.
Speaker 1: So he's the leader of men.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta have the right person.
Speaker 1: That he was the right person. It was everything, no,
Speaker 1: everything else.
Speaker 8: But I'm saying, like, the one thing is, like, you
Speaker 8: have to command a room full of men, and they
Speaker 8: have to listen to you and believe in you, and
Speaker 8: whatever you're pitching, they have to literally embody it.
Speaker 1: You have to be willing to write.
Speaker 8: Like, I don't think people understand how difficult that is
Speaker 8: to walk in a room and tell everybody what your
Speaker 8: vision is and everybody says, okay, I'm on board.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not the easiest thing in the world.
Speaker 7: A lot of people don't want to hear you out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, your natural instinct is to be like trying to
Speaker 8: hear this cat. That's your natural instinct. But then you
Speaker 8: have to sit back and you gotta watch how this
Speaker 8: person moves, How does this person operate? Is this person consistent?
Speaker 1: Do they waiver? Right? Do they are they passionate? Do
Speaker 1: they love they?
Speaker 8: Do they genuinely love everybody? How do they treat the janitor?
Speaker 8: Like all these things matter, right, that's all culture. That's
Speaker 8: all culture, man, And like you don't just walk into that, right,
Speaker 8: and especially when you've been in the league as a
Speaker 8: culture coordinator for a number of years. You have a
Speaker 8: body and work to look back and be like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't know who followed you, Is anybody following you?
Speaker 1: Or did you just do a good job calling plays?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 8: And that's why if you're going to go into let's
Speaker 8: say the coordinator's pool, right, I find it difficult to
Speaker 8: believe that, and I could be proven wrong.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 8: I find it difficult to believe that Kela Moore can
Speaker 8: walk into a room full of NFL players defense and
Speaker 8: offense and get an immediate buy in like a guy
Speaker 8: like a Pete Carroll or like a John Gruden. But
Speaker 8: if you're looking at coordinators, you look at what Demiko
Speaker 8: Ryan's was able to do with the Texans. But that's
Speaker 8: because that's the type of aura. When Demiko Ryans walked
Speaker 8: in the room, and he's such a player's coach buy in.
Speaker 1: Can't give an example.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I don't know how how smart this is
Speaker 8: me to say so in off season list. Upcoming off
Speaker 8: this previous offseason, I was doing Rise to Vote. I
Speaker 8: was working with a nonprofit organization that goes and talks
Speaker 8: and presents all the voting information. Right, these are all.
Speaker 8: This is how you do it is how you sign up.
Speaker 8: This is all the information that you guys need to know.
Speaker 8: While I was doing that in affiliation with the NFL.
Speaker 8: So there's a number of organizations, no number of teams
Speaker 8: that I went.
Speaker 1: And presented to. The Bears is one of the organizations.
Speaker 8: When I went in there and I talked to when
Speaker 8: I talked to the team, I was introduced by Ibra
Speaker 8: Flus and I was like, no, like just just really
Speaker 8: just in the ten minutes that I was that, I
Speaker 8: wasn't sitting there. I think he'd be a great coordinator again,
Speaker 8: and he was best, but coming from a former player
Speaker 8: who retired twelve years ago, right, I was in that room,
Speaker 8: I was like, not a head coach saying it, no
Speaker 8: disrespect to the man, but like, you're not commanding these
Speaker 8: guys just from him, how he how he addressed the team.
Speaker 8: In my head, I kept it to myself, right, and
Speaker 8: obviously that's worked his way out, but I knew from them.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's not going to be able to
Speaker 1: get these guys on board. Yeah, let the aura tough immediately.
Speaker 1: That's just as me, that's me sitting in a room
Speaker 1: as a former player and be like he doesn't. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean he can't call plays,
Speaker 1: he can't command.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, we'll see lots to talk about.
Speaker 1: This will not be the final time we talk about
Speaker 1: this head coaching vacant. We'll be back. Yeah, it'd be interesting.
Speaker 6: Uh, that'll be We'll be back Tuesday at eleven or.
Speaker 1: No ten am.
Speaker 5: On Tuesdays from here on out. We'll talk about it
Speaker 5: again next week. Maybe we'll have some more names and
Speaker 5: we'll be able to cross some others off the list
Speaker 5: as we go along.
Speaker 6: For Patrick No.
Speaker 5: See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stanback, Chris Beave in the
Speaker 5: back of Kyle Yoman saying so long, we'll see you
Speaker 5: next Tuesday.
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