WEBVTT - Talkin Cowboys_1_14.mp3 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:03.760 The following. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:05.760 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.520 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.520 Cowboys. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:17.079 This He's Talking Cowboys Straining live from. 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.040 The Dallas Cowboys World Head Course. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:28.280 At the Star in Friscous Dotson Touchdown and now your 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:40.640 hosts Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.199 It's an off season edition of Talking Cowboys presented by 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.919 Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star and Frisco, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.680 Texas in the SWBC studios. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:51.600 Welcome in, everybody. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.960 We only got a couple of things to talk about today, 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.640 Cowboys Nation. Just one or two or three or a 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:02.800 million possible different scenarios surrounding your head coach. And one 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.760 of them that we know is not going to happen 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.000 is that Mike McCarthy will not return as the head 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.600 coach in Dallas. Got the full cast and crew ready 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.400 for you to rock today. Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Roderiguez, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.440 Isaiah Standback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.039 glad you're with us. It was about eleven o'clock yesterday 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:25.240 Monday morning that Tom Pellissero from the NFL Network tweeted 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.360 the breaking news the Cowboys and head coach Mike McCarthy 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.039 have agreed to part ways. Very shortly after that, the 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.479 Dallas Cowboys media team has confirmed and we have been 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.319 off to the races since then. With all these speculating, 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:46.000 all the speculative thoughts and conspiracy theories about next head coach, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.320 don't spill my business on the air, okay, till we 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.640 got a long way to go about how it unwinded though, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.080 conspiracy theories about how the whole thing happened, and then 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.600 conspiracy theories about what's next and where are the Cowboys 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.320 going to go from here? So we'll start with Patrick 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.320 here little news and notes and you and I had 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.800 the Breaking News podcast yesterday, but just for our talking viewers, 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.400 I listened outlined too. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:12.600 It was a good podcast. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:13.520 It was really solid. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:13.920 I like that. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.359 Yeah, I mean, you guys went over your time. I mean, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.000 but it was we definitely went over. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:19.840 M not. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:22.360 Right. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.760 I was definitely on kid pick up duty and listening 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.040 at the same time. I'm dedicated. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:28.680 Well done. I like it. 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.760 It's good for you to make up after missing last one, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.120 got the story. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.480 Shows left to come to make up. Then you missed this. 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:46.200 Pastor you're gonna pickle down take that NFL network on 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.200 tom So teammate. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.640 Obviously, like how said we know Karthy and the Dallas 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:57.440 Cowboys are partying ways going forward. The Cowboys did say 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.120 in their statement that they were going to commit their 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.880 search immediately, and boy, they were not kidding around. Jerry 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.400 Jones put in a call to none other than Colorado 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.560 head coach Sanders from a former Dallas We're. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:15.919 Sure Jerry actually dialed the phone and called or did 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.280 Colorado possibly or Dion possibly. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.760 Call the other way around? So saying. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.240 I'm saying it was probably c like they probably had 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.840 a little yeah, a little bit of both. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:32.160 There's more on that. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.040 I want you to continue before I get it. Yeah, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:35.480 I think it's all. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.000 Oh no, absolutely, we're gonna talk about that. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:39.360 I hear this. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.800 As far as who sent the hey, big head text, 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.160 you know, I'm sure Jerry probably big You know that 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:56.240 that you up going keep going, So we don't rumor 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.240 has it reportedly it was Jerry Jones and the Cowboys 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.840 who reached out to Dion Sanders and uh with primary 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.400 interest and UH. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.360 Prelimit primate Mary primary Mary. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:14.200 Mary preliminary is the better word, preliminary interest with interviewing 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.800 him possibly interviewing him. No formal interview has been set 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.359 between the two. No formal interview has taken place. It 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.560 was just a back channel conversation to gauge interest. Reportedly 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.440 there is mutual interest, and now we're gonna circle to 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:26.560 the opinion part of it. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.799 Stop it. My opinion is it is your opinion has stopped. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.920 My opinion is stopping. I get it. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.400 It's the headlines, it's fun, yeah, Eon, it's all the things. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.200 But what's going to ultimately happen is it's gonna go 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.200 nowhere and Colorado's gonna up the bag that much more 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.480 for Dion. So you could arguably say this is a 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.320 leverage move by Dion. And that's where I'm gonna leave 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:51.919 it with my opinion. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.360 Dion doesn't want to be here. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.560 Let's let's let that completely know Dan, why not Kyle, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.600 Because he wants full control of what he does to 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.440 build a football team, and that's what he did at 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.160 Jackson State, That's what he did at Cedar Hill Trinity 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.440 Christian That's what he did here now currently with the 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.920 Colorado Buffaloes. He doesn't want that at the NFL level, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.360 plain and simple. He's good friends with Jerry. They have 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.719 a relationship back and forth and it has been since 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.840 he played here in Dallas. It makes storylines, but he's 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:25.839 amidst a contract negotiation for an extension in Colorado before 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.040 that phone call happened. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:28.320 It's a leverage movie. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.760 And these two men of the same idea when it 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:31.960 comes to business one. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.359 They knowsating, they know. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.919 How to market themselves, and they know how to make headlines. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.840 I'm not saying that's a big part of what you're 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:39.200 seeing now. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.360 I'm not saying it would would not be fun. Oh 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.000 my goodness, the media circus would be unbelievable. It would 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.279 be the most entertaining thing of all time. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.640 Is it a great X's and O's move. Maybe, who knows. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.640 We don't know really what's gonna happen out of the 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.800 next head coaching higher It could be a terrible X's 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.839 and O's move outside of of Deon Sanders. But man, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.360 I just don't see this one a mutual agreement of 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:02.120 let's do this. 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:02.400 No. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.680 I think it's it's headline driven and as far as 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.080 the news and notes, let's give the objectivity. And here 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:12.640 is Deon Sanders' response to the reports quote to hear 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.080 from Jerry Jones is truly delightful and it's intriguing. I 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.000 love Jerry and believe in Jerry. But after you hang 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.560 up and process it and think about it, it's intriguing. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.039 But I love Boulder and everything there is about our team, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.120 the coaches, our student body, and the community. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.080 End quote. He's not leaving Colorado. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.400 It would be really fun, though I'm not gonna lie. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:34.760 It's not real. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.200 It'd be fun as far as just roller coaster without 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.200 the harness coming down and it's like, wow. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.880 This is really dangerous and I might die, but we're 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:44.440 gonna have fun. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.240 It would be a really fun offseason. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.400 However, I think your excitement would kind of roller coaster 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.360 all the way down when it comes to, like, you know, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:54.799 a week one, like oh god. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:07:00.120 Gonna play, Oh this is happening, This is happening. It 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:01.480 would be a fascinating officer. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.080 Well, first, let's start with this because irs and and Josh, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.720 you guys weren't on the emergency pod, and I know 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.960 that you were agreeents that we agreed that I would 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.040 bring we would bring Mike McCarthy back. My thing was 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.680 all four of us, all of us were. My thing 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.080 was and that were we wanted that we wanted wanted. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.600 Yes, I was. I did not think he was going 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.200 to come. I don't. I think you and I were 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:22.320 in the same agreeance there. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.840 Yeah, I was going to and this is where it 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.120 and I'm hearing the same whispers, So I'm going to 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.520 go ahead and say this is confirmed. So the reports 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.960 initially were that the Cowboys and McCarthy were kind of 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.000 not at odds, but they were not on the same 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.920 page as far as length of contract is concerned. If 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.560 that's the case, I understand what McCarthy did. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:41.640 It. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.120 I would not have given him more than a two 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.040 year deal, and I said that. I said that, but 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:49.920 I also said in the same breath, he's not going 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:51.720 to accept the whole year deal or a one year 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.400 deal or a one year deal. So it sounds like 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.520 more or less that's kind of what happened. The Cowboys 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.440 approached him with something less than a four or five 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.280 year deal. McCarthy was like, I want a four or 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:00.920 five year deal, and if you're not going to give 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.920 me that, then I'm going to have to head out. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.520 And Jered even were like, all right, So the next 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.600 uber is coming in about twenty So for me, it 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:11.680 was a McCarthy decision. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:12.960 Both sides wanted it to work. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.000 Jerry Jones, they wanted him back, but McCarthy wanted more years, 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.640 and even I was not comfortable with another four or 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:20.120 five years. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.720 So not about money, It was about tenure. It was 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.640 about tenure, Okay, I think it was about you. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.000 Yeah, because I do believe McCarthy was probably, especially given 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.760 who his agent is, was probably looking for a pay 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.600 increase because inflation is a thing too. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.680 From twenty twenty to twenty twenty five. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.560 Absolutely absolutely it is, so I can almost guarantee McCarthy 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.160 was looking for a bump and pay. But I think 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:47.079 the priority for McCarthy was stability over the pay versus 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.760 someone like a Ben Johnson, who, yes, Ben Johnson wants 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.080 some stability, but Ben Johnson wants the megabag. Also, people 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.680 need to understand when you say Mike McCarthy, you're saying 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.280 every other coach that is under his own umbrella. That's 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.800 what I don't believe that people are understanding about these negotiations. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.760 In these conversations, he's not just negotiating on behalf of 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.880 Mike McCarthy and Mike McCarthy's household. It is literally every 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:21.600 other coordinator, every other position coach, every other assistant, strength coach, everybody, everybody, everybody, 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.199 everybody three rs. That's who he's speaking on behalf of 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.520 so even outside of himself where he I can't speak 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.480 for him right, but he may have been willing to 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.000 take a lesser year contract, but he I don't believe 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.880 he was willing to put his staff. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.280 In that situation as well. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.200 Again again, by the way, just again, can you get 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:43.520 into this year already with it being on? 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.120 But why would he want to go through that same 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.640 roller coaster again with the same questions, the same type 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:49.360 every year. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:50.440 It's the spotlight is. 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.679 On him yet again with a longer term deal. You 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.559 don't have that spotlight as hot on you for this season. 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.920 You know, it's at least it lets you breathe for one. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.040 Well, he's faced something every year exactly outside of the 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.520 first year, which was a COVID year, He's face something 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.679 every year. He said he brought dan Quinn on. They 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.640 had success. The question was, oh dan Quinn gonna be here? 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.480 Is Jane Quinn gonna take his job or they gonna 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.080 swap right, then it was Keller more conversation right. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.839 Oh, like every year it was something right, every year 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:19.640 was a threat to him. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.840 Comes with the title man, yeah, weight. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.000 And with that comes Okay, once it comes time to negotiating, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.199 I now need to roll all of that up and 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.120 turn that into dollar signs so that I can bear 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:31.520 that weight. 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:33.040 Agree. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.000 And we've said it a hundred times. Free agency, it 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.240 doesn't matter if it's a player, assistant coach, or a 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.520 head coach. Free agency is a two way street. And 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.959 this is not was not a Jason Garrett situation that 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.280 were not teams interested in interviewing Jason Garrett as he 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.599 was exiting the Cowboys organization. There are teams interested in 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.959 bringing on Micha McCarthy as he exits the situation. So 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.079 that means that he was able to walk in and 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.319 have some demand and if his demands were it met 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.040 his deal breakers is non negotiables, and if they couldn't 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.440 meet his non negotiables, then you get where we are 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:08.600 right now, which is the Cowboys. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:09.880 You're looking for their ninth head coach. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.000 And just really quickly, when it comes to the Cowboys 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.760 denying Mike McCarthy interview with the Chicago Bears earlier last week. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.320 To me, there's a lot of backlash from that move 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:21.680 because now people are like. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.440 Well, why did you let him? You know, because they 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.920 were if why would you why would you give them 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:27.599 that opportunity? 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.640 Like to me, that that's a silly argument at this 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.240 point to say, after the fact, of course, hindsight is 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.040 twenty twenty, but of course you don't let him interview 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:38.880 because you're still in negotiations at that point. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:39.040 Yep. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.360 Granted you're not in contractual negotiations, but you're still trying 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:43.920 to figure out what the future of your team is. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.959 Why would you give Chicago the opportunity to interview this 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.000 guy before you need to? This is a business man. Yeah, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.560 people are like, oh, petty by the front office, that's stupid. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.439 Oh yeah, I just think that's it's people trying to 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:57.600 get clicks, not saying. 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.320 That the Cowboys have handled everything correctly this offseason by 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.080 any means, yes, by any means yes. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.559 However, in that to that point, why would you do it? 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.880 There's no benefit to you to do to doing that. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.439 Wait a week, bro, it's a week the offseason. We 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:14.280 got a long way to go. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.720 Nobody's getting hung out to drive. From a McCarthy's standpoint 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.640 or a McCarthy's staff standpoint, because he waited a week 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.280 to negotiate the rest of this contract, that's just playing something. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:25.800 The only thing. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:26.839 Nobody's left out the drive. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.000 There was no petty means in that capacity. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.439 I agree, because it's just the Kyle and I have 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.120 some business to discuss and we're sitting in a room. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.680 It's just Mono with Mono, and Isaiah has some business 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.120 that he wants to talk to Cal about and he 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:41.920 comes in. Yeah, taps on the glass and want to 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.360 be hold on a second. Let me let me see 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.719 what we all finished before Kyle and you start having 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.199 these conversations, cause I don't know what you're going to 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.760 say to Cal and that might completely derail what. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.120 He and I the business that we're trying to So 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:53.000 just hold off. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.880 So that didn't negatively impact McCarthy at all, But it 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.240 did negatively impact the cowboys by waiting that we to 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.600 part wait. No, that's different reason being because example Ben Johnson, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.400 Aaron Glenn, those requests windows closed in that week that 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.160 it took you to decide, or it took McCarthy and 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.360 you to decide you were going to part ways, and 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.160 now you can't talk to those two guys until after 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.599 their season concludes, and if their season takes them to 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.520 the super Bowl, then you got to wait until after 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:22.120 the super Bowl. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:28.160 It's almost like before the final game, before the season 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.200 was even over, that there was a podcast that outlined 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.760 the importance of making a decision, what might one way 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:35.240 or the other? 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.920 I just I think there was one. It was called 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.959 Talking Cowboys. Yeah, that one the most of that pod. Really. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:44.120 I tried to stand it. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:44.600 Now, I wasn't. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.679 I tried to stand on a table. Nobody heard me though. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.679 It's fine. Isaiah's making faces. I need it, Coy Isaiah, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:52.320 is he back? 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:54.760 Do you make the trip back for Vegas? 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.600 I just want people to understand that when we start 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.920 talking about coach McCarthy and the leverage that he gained 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.480 after understanding that there was going to be a market 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:10.160 for him, negotiations get a little bit more more fair, right, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.000 and then the tides kind of turn a little bit, 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.520 and there's a lot of a lot of games that 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:22.160 are played and negotiating, So we don't know, we don't 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.120 know how these conversations went. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.720 We don't know who was taking who we don't know 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.960 who was taking the time. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.640 It very well might have been McCarthy drawing it out 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.760 to ensure that they couldn't talk to her. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:37.200 You never know. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.960 There's all kinds of different leverage moves, and this chess 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.480 when you start talking about contracts, this chess man. I've 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.160 dealt with this for the forever many years now. All right, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.120 y me, let me go ahead and draw this out 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.960 a little bit, because again I am not Jason Garrett, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.480 and I got options, and and to turn down offer 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:56.320 that's in front of you. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.720 You know that there's an option that you can take it. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.800 What Chris Rock say, only faith l options? Yeah for real. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:10.560 So it all kind of boils down to what happened 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.520 in twenty twenty four, I mean the season that was 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.520 you were given a one chance, given a one year 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.720 opportunity to try and take this team to the level 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.120 you were anticipated to take them in the previous years, the. 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.920 Twelve and five, twelve and five, twelve and five. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.520 That was the that was the bar, that was, let's 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.480 make it at the beginning of the year exactly, and 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.560 you did not get there, safe to say, so that 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.760 was part of the decision, was the one in three 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.120 record in playoffs, the way you lost to Green Bay 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:43.760 was a legitimate contributor to the decision making process. And really, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.800 if the front office was not reluctant. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.840 To bring back Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy would. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.000 Still be here playing and simple everybody that's saying, and 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.400 I completely agree with how it happened where it's length 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.520 of the deal and there's just a disconnect there. If 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.680 there was any sort of buy in from the front 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.560 office that Mike McCarthy was indeed the right person for 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:06.760 the job, he would still. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.520 Be here because they would they would have made the 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:09.600 deal possible. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.080 But there was a reluctant side from the front office. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.120 There was a reluctant side from Mike McCarthy, and because 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.120 of that, that's why they ended up parting ways. Mike 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.320 McCarthy did not tell Jerry Jones in the front office, 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.880 nor if anything. Jerry Jones said, it's on our terms. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.840 If anything, if you're coming back, it is going to 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.680 be on our terms, And it wasn't on there. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:34.320 They both said the same thing, yes, but correct and 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.480 every windows and whatever came after that. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.880 Ellipses, that's what that's that's. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:41.400 What came to the crossroads. Well, that's why he's not 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.480 here one hundred percent. I think whenever we were talking 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.080 about him after the Bucks came and we were all 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:48.880 very much in agreement, like, all right, he needs to 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.400 come back, like that's that was the That. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:52.280 Was the final hourrah. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.480 That was the final hurrah. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.400 That was you know, you saw the team galvin Ies 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.200 behind him and like all of the positive things that 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.080 were saying. However, I think I had said, or one 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.840 of us had said, after that game, it's like, okay, 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.040 but if you do if you play like you did 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.800 against Baltimore, if you play like you did against the 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.600 Story against UH, for any of these last two or 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:13.200 three games, right, I would reconsider the thought that we're 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:14.199 having now, which was like. 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.480 Why would you go back? Why would you go back? 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.040 And then Phill And then Philly happened, and then that 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.320 that happened, how it happened. You fought against the Commanders, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.280 which was a decent game, you've lost at the end. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.720 I don't think that necessarily played into the idea of 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.400 it all. It was that Philly game that really broke 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:34.200 it for me and ultimately for me, if if it 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.399 were if it were up to me, I would have 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.359 brought McCarthy back, but I would have demanded he not 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.359 call plays That. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.199 Would maybe, but that would have been a. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.000 Sticky point for me because time and time again in 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.800 the red zone, when you saw his situational awareness when 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.240 it came to the red zone, I had no confidence 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:53.480 that we were going to score touchdowns. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.280 It's like, okay, this is the Brandon Aubrey show. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.359 Now once you get past you when you can ridiculous, man, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:04.159 ridiculous To me, that is a yeah. But for McCarthy 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.359 because he's like, why would I give up calling place? 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.159 This is my team, this is how I run, And 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.520 felt like that was a slight comes not here anymore. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.400 So yeah, not exactly what what I said. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:14.520 Not. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.680 Oh yeah, well he wouldn't have been back with macarthy. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:23.200 I speaking of now that Mike McCarthy is on his 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.359 way out the door, wherever he ends up next to, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.560 I mean I personally want to wish him best. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.360 Yes, of course that's not really good, dude, excellent. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.400 So wish him best wherever he does end up, whether 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.520 it's as a coordinator, head coach, or wherever it may be. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.440 Uh, well, I'm sure we'll see. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:39.800 Him down the line, because he will be in the 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:41.560 NFL about this table. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.080 Will he get a job? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.320 I have a know good for you. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.639 He takes another stands say what he thinks he's going 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:53.040