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Speaker 6: Welcome in, everybody.

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Speaker 5: We only got a couple of things to talk about today,

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Speaker 5: Cowboys Nation. Just one or two or three or a

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Speaker 5: million possible different scenarios surrounding your head coach. And one

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Speaker 5: of them that we know is not going to happen

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Speaker 5: is that Mike McCarthy will not return as the head

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Speaker 5: coach in Dallas. Got the full cast and crew ready

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Speaker 5: for you to rock today. Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Roderiguez,

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Speaker 5: Isaiah Standback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's

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Speaker 5: glad you're with us. It was about eleven o'clock yesterday

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Speaker 5: Monday morning that Tom Pellissero from the NFL Network tweeted

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Speaker 5: the breaking news the Cowboys and head coach Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 5: have agreed to part ways. Very shortly after that, the

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Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys media team has confirmed and we have been

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Speaker 5: off to the races since then. With all these speculating,

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Speaker 5: all the speculative thoughts and conspiracy theories about next head coach,

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Speaker 5: don't spill my business on the air, okay, till we

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Speaker 5: got a long way to go about how it unwinded though,

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Speaker 5: conspiracy theories about how the whole thing happened, and then

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Speaker 5: conspiracy theories about what's next and where are the Cowboys

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Speaker 5: going to go from here? So we'll start with Patrick

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Speaker 5: here little news and notes and you and I had

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Speaker 5: the Breaking News podcast yesterday, but just for our talking viewers,

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Speaker 5: I listened outlined too.

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Speaker 1: It was a good podcast.

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Speaker 7: It was really solid.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you guys went over your time. I mean,

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Speaker 8: but it was we definitely went over.

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Speaker 3: M not.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 8: I was definitely on kid pick up duty and listening

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Speaker 8: at the same time. I'm dedicated.

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Speaker 1: Well done. I like it.

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Speaker 5: It's good for you to make up after missing last one,

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Speaker 5: got the story.

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Speaker 6: Shows left to come to make up. Then you missed this.

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Speaker 9: Pastor you're gonna pickle down take that NFL network on

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Speaker 9: tom So teammate.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, like how said we know Karthy and the Dallas

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Speaker 8: Cowboys are partying ways going forward. The Cowboys did say

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Speaker 8: in their statement that they were going to commit their

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Speaker 8: search immediately, and boy, they were not kidding around. Jerry

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Speaker 8: Jones put in a call to none other than Colorado

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Speaker 8: head coach Sanders from a former Dallas We're.

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Speaker 5: Sure Jerry actually dialed the phone and called or did

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Speaker 5: Colorado possibly or Dion possibly.

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Speaker 1: Call the other way around? So saying.

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Speaker 8: I'm saying it was probably c like they probably had

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Speaker 8: a little yeah, a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: There's more on that.

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Speaker 5: I want you to continue before I get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think it's all.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, we're gonna talk about that.

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Speaker 4: I hear this.

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Speaker 8: As far as who sent the hey, big head text,

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Speaker 8: you know, I'm sure Jerry probably big You know that

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Speaker 8: that you up going keep going, So we don't rumor

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Speaker 8: has it reportedly it was Jerry Jones and the Cowboys

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Speaker 8: who reached out to Dion Sanders and uh with primary

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Speaker 7: Prelimit primate Mary primary Mary.

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Speaker 8: Mary preliminary is the better word, preliminary interest with interviewing

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Speaker 8: him possibly interviewing him. No formal interview has been set

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Speaker 8: was just a back channel conversation to gauge interest. Reportedly

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Speaker 8: there is mutual interest, and now we're gonna circle to

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Speaker 8: the opinion part of it.

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Speaker 1: Stop it. My opinion is it is your opinion has stopped.

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Speaker 1: My opinion is stopping. I get it.

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Speaker 8: It's the headlines, it's fun, yeah, Eon, it's all the things.

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Speaker 8: But what's going to ultimately happen is it's gonna go

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Speaker 8: nowhere and Colorado's gonna up the bag that much more

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Speaker 8: for Dion. So you could arguably say this is a

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Speaker 8: leverage move by Dion. And that's where I'm gonna leave

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Speaker 6: Dion doesn't want to be here.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's let that completely know Dan, why not Kyle,

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Speaker 5: Because he wants full control of what he does to

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Speaker 5: build a football team, and that's what he did at

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Speaker 5: Jackson State, That's what he did at Cedar Hill Trinity

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Speaker 5: Christian That's what he did here now currently with the

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Speaker 5: Colorado Buffaloes. He doesn't want that at the NFL level,

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Speaker 5: plain and simple. He's good friends with Jerry. They have

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Speaker 5: he played here in Dallas. It makes storylines, but he's

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Speaker 5: amidst a contract negotiation for an extension in Colorado before

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Speaker 5: that phone call happened.

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Speaker 1: It's a leverage movie.

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Speaker 7: And these two men of the same idea when it

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Speaker 7: comes to business one.

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Speaker 1: They knowsating, they know.

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Speaker 10: How to market themselves, and they know how to make headlines.

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Speaker 10: I'm not saying that's a big part of what you're

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying it would would not be fun. Oh

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Speaker 5: my goodness, the media circus would be unbelievable. It would

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Speaker 5: be the most entertaining thing of all time.

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Speaker 1: Is it a great X's and O's move. Maybe, who knows.

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Speaker 5: We don't know really what's gonna happen out of the

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Speaker 5: next head coaching higher It could be a terrible X's

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Speaker 5: and O's move outside of of Deon Sanders. But man,

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Speaker 5: I just don't see this one a mutual agreement of

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Speaker 5: let's do this.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 8: I think it's it's headline driven and as far as

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Speaker 8: the news and notes, let's give the objectivity. And here

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Speaker 8: is Deon Sanders' response to the reports quote to hear

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Speaker 8: from Jerry Jones is truly delightful and it's intriguing. I

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Speaker 8: love Jerry and believe in Jerry. But after you hang

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Speaker 8: up and process it and think about it, it's intriguing.

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Speaker 8: But I love Boulder and everything there is about our team,

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Speaker 8: the coaches, our student body, and the community.

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Speaker 1: End quote. He's not leaving Colorado.

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Speaker 7: It would be really fun, though I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: It's not real.

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Speaker 8: It'd be fun as far as just roller coaster without

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Speaker 1: This is really dangerous and I might die, but we're

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Speaker 7: It would be a really fun offseason.

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Speaker 10: However, I think your excitement would kind of roller coaster

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Speaker 8: Well, first, let's start with this because irs and and Josh,

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Speaker 8: you guys weren't on the emergency pod, and I know

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Speaker 8: that you were agreeents that we agreed that I would

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Speaker 8: bring we would bring Mike McCarthy back. My thing was

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Speaker 8: all four of us, all of us were. My thing

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I did not think he was going

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was going to and this is where it

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Speaker 8: and I'm hearing the same whispers, So I'm going to

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Speaker 8: go ahead and say this is confirmed. So the reports

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Speaker 8: initially were that the Cowboys and McCarthy were kind of

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Speaker 8: not at odds, but they were not on the same

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Speaker 8: that's the case, I understand what McCarthy did.

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Speaker 1: It.

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Speaker 8: I would not have given him more than a two

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Speaker 8: I also said in the same breath, he's not going

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Speaker 8: more or less that's kind of what happened. The Cowboys

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Speaker 8: approached him with something less than a four or five

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Speaker 8: year deal. McCarthy was like, I want a four or

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Speaker 1: Both sides wanted it to work.

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Speaker 8: Jerry Jones, they wanted him back, but McCarthy wanted more years,

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Speaker 8: and even I was not comfortable with another four or

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Speaker 1: So not about money, It was about tenure. It was

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Speaker 1: about tenure, Okay, I think it was about you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because I do believe McCarthy was probably, especially given

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Speaker 1: From twenty twenty to twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely it is, so I can almost guarantee McCarthy

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Speaker 8: was looking for a bump and pay. But I think

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Speaker 8: the priority for McCarthy was stability over the pay versus

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Speaker 8: some stability, but Ben Johnson wants the megabag. Also, people

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Speaker 8: need to understand when you say Mike McCarthy, you're saying

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Speaker 8: what I don't believe that people are understanding about these negotiations.

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Speaker 8: In these conversations, he's not just negotiating on behalf of

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Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy and Mike McCarthy's household. It is literally every

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Speaker 8: other coordinator, every other position coach, every other assistant, strength coach, everybody, everybody, everybody,

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Speaker 8: take a lesser year contract, but he I don't believe

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Speaker 1: In that situation as well.

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Speaker 10: But why would he want to go through that same

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Speaker 7: It's the spotlight is.

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Speaker 10: On him yet again with a longer term deal. You

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Speaker 10: don't have that spotlight as hot on you for this season.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's at least it lets you breathe for one.

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Speaker 8: Well, he's faced something every year exactly outside of the

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Speaker 8: first year, which was a COVID year, He's face something

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Speaker 8: every year. He said he brought dan Quinn on. They

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Speaker 8: had success. The question was, oh dan Quinn gonna be here?

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Speaker 8: Is Jane Quinn gonna take his job or they gonna

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Speaker 8: swap right, then it was Keller more conversation right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, like every year it was something right, every year

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Speaker 7: Comes with the title man, yeah, weight.

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Speaker 8: And with that comes Okay, once it comes time to negotiating,

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Speaker 8: I now need to roll all of that up and

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Speaker 8: turn that into dollar signs so that I can bear

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Speaker 8: that weight.

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Speaker 1: Agree.

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Speaker 8: And we've said it a hundred times. Free agency, it

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Speaker 8: head coach. Free agency is a two way street. And

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Speaker 8: this is not was not a Jason Garrett situation that

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Speaker 1: You're looking for their ninth head coach.

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Speaker 10: And just really quickly, when it comes to the Cowboys

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Speaker 7: Well, why did you let him? You know, because they

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Speaker 10: Like to me, that that's a silly argument at this

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Speaker 10: Granted you're not in contractual negotiations, but you're still trying

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Speaker 7: Why would you give Chicago the opportunity to interview this

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Speaker 7: people are like, oh, petty by the front office, that's stupid.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I just think that's it's people trying to

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Speaker 10: That the Cowboys have handled everything correctly this offseason by

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Speaker 7: However, in that to that point, why would you do it?

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Speaker 7: There's no benefit to you to do to doing that.

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Speaker 5: Nobody's getting hung out to drive. From a McCarthy's standpoint

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Speaker 1: The only thing.

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Speaker 6: Nobody's left out the drive.

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Speaker 1: There was no petty means in that capacity.

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Speaker 8: I agree, because it's just the Kyle and I have

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Speaker 8: It's just Mono with Mono, and Isaiah has some business

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Speaker 7: He and I the business that we're trying to So

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Speaker 8: So that didn't negatively impact McCarthy at all, But it

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Speaker 5: It's almost like before the final game, before the season

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Speaker 1: I just I think there was one. It was called

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Speaker 6: I tried to stand it.

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Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't.

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Speaker 7: I tried to stand on a table. Nobody heard me though.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. Isaiah's making faces. I need it, Coy Isaiah,

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Speaker 1: is he back?

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Speaker 6: Do you make the trip back for Vegas?

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Speaker 8: I just want people to understand that when we start

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Speaker 8: know how these conversations went.

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Speaker 1: We don't know who was taking who we don't know

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Speaker 8: It very well might have been McCarthy drawing it out

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Speaker 8: to ensure that they couldn't talk to her.

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Speaker 1: You never know.

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Speaker 8: There's all kinds of different leverage moves, and this chess

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Speaker 8: when you start talking about contracts, this chess man. I've

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Speaker 8: y me, let me go ahead and draw this out

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Speaker 8: a little bit, because again I am not Jason Garrett,

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Speaker 8: and I got options, and and to turn down offer

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Speaker 1: You know that there's an option that you can take it.

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Speaker 5: So it all kind of boils down to what happened

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Speaker 1: Twelve and five, twelve and five, twelve and five.

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Speaker 5: That was the that was the bar, that was, let's

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Speaker 5: if the front office was not reluctant.

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Speaker 1: To bring back Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy would.

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Speaker 5: Still be here playing and simple everybody that's saying, and

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Speaker 5: I completely agree with how it happened where it's length

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Speaker 1: Be here because they would they would have made the

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Speaker 5: But there was a reluctant side from the front office.

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Speaker 5: of that, that's why they ended up parting ways. Mike

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Speaker 5: McCarthy did not tell Jerry Jones in the front office,

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Speaker 5: nor if anything. Jerry Jones said, it's on our terms.

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Speaker 5: If anything, if you're coming back, it is going to

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Speaker 5: be on our terms, And it wasn't on there.

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Speaker 8: They both said the same thing, yes, but correct and

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Speaker 1: Ellipses, that's what that's that's.

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Speaker 10: What came to the crossroads. Well, that's why he's not

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Speaker 1: Was the final hourrah.

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Speaker 7: That was the final hurrah.

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Speaker 10: That was you know, you saw the team galvin Ies

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Speaker 7: Why would you go back? Why would you go back?

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Speaker 10: And then Phill And then Philly happened, and then that

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Speaker 10: call plays That.

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Speaker 1: Would maybe, but that would have been a.

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Speaker 10: Sticky point for me because time and time again in

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Speaker 7: It's like, okay, this is the Brandon Aubrey show.

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Speaker 10: Now once you get past you when you can ridiculous, man,

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Speaker 10: ridiculous To me, that is a yeah. But for McCarthy

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Speaker 10: because he's like, why would I give up calling place?

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Speaker 10: This is my team, this is how I run, And

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Speaker 7: So yeah, not exactly what what I said.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well he wouldn't have been back with macarthy.

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Speaker 5: I speaking of now that Mike McCarthy is on his

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Speaker 5: I mean I personally want to wish him best.

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Speaker 7: Yes, of course that's not really good, dude, excellent.

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Speaker 5: So wish him best wherever he does end up, whether

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Speaker 6: Uh, well, I'm sure we'll see.

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Speaker 7: Him down the line, because he will be in the

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Speaker 1: Will he get a job? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 7: He takes another stands say what he thinks he's going

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Speaker 1: He's not.

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Speaker 3: It's there's only right now, there's only six spots, correct,

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Speaker 3: So tell me where he's going, New.

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Speaker 1: Orleans, New Orleans.

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Speaker 6: So Aaron Glenn's I can get that job. No, that's

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Speaker 1: That's fine, that's where he was right. Party also has

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Speaker 10: Another year, guy Mike mccarthy'll say, yeah, I think Aaron

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Speaker 6: I think Eric Glenn's getting this job.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, today, I did not. By the time I

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Speaker 1: got here, the oats had been pulled. They pulled the

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Speaker 1: get a black rifle today. I did not.

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Speaker 8: If I had a black rifle today, I would. I

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Speaker 8: didn't think I should come off the top rope today,

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Speaker 8: you know, with the understanding of what just took place. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: of course people need to be able to hear us

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Speaker 8: and digest exactly exactly what we're saying. I feel like

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Speaker 8: it might have been a little bit too to regress dies.

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Speaker 8: Just it takes a little bit, you know. Yeah, break down, slow, breakdown,

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Speaker 8: anybody pancake.

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Speaker 1: So let me get this straight.

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Speaker 5: So you're saying on a show where we encourage Cowboys Nation,

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Speaker 5: say it.

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Speaker 1: With your chest. It's a lot of information to take

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Speaker 1: in today to the information.

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Speaker 5: Is pretty much there. He's not coming back, and there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of guys that could come here. I want

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Speaker 5: to know what you're coming off the top rope.

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Speaker 8: With you want to know, come off the top ro people,

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Speaker 8: since you guys want to go a little on Netflix.

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Speaker 9: I mean.

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Speaker 1: Someone like Cage Cage Match everything.

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Speaker 8: Whenever these conversations come about. Whenever these conversations come about,

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Speaker 8: I'm usually the the guy that's the odd ball, you know.

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Speaker 8: I'm the one who says something to everybody's like you're crazy,

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Speaker 8: and then, like you, later on, you find out that

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Speaker 8: the person is getting interviewed.

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Speaker 1: Last year, my crazy take true? What was Rex Ryan?

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Speaker 1: I said, Rex Ryan was should be the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: here last still on television, He's still on.

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Speaker 8: Television, but I still stand behind that. I feel like

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Speaker 8: he should have been a defensive coordinator this past year.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to say it? For this year? He's

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Speaker 1: going to I think he's going to New York. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. I think. I think he's good.

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Speaker 5: But he's he's so vocal about that. On the on

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Speaker 5: the broadcast, like yeah there was. They were showing a

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Speaker 5: play of Josh Allen going into the Bills game and

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen threw it like on a dime off balance

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Speaker 5: deep into the New York Jets secondary and he goes

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Speaker 5: that going to happen next year, hopefully I'm there, Like

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Speaker 5: in the middle of his analysis.

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Speaker 7: I feel like he has ten toes in the ground.

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Speaker 1: And probably he likes toast. But yeah, in the game,

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Speaker 1: suit what you did there? So this year my hot tape, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a hot take guy.

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Speaker 8: Last year was Rex Ryan. Obviously that did not pan out.

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Speaker 8: But following that comment, Kyle laughed at me. I did

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Speaker 8: on air, But then we found out days later that

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Speaker 8: he was being interviewed and considered.

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Speaker 1: Did he get interviewed? He did. I don't think he did.

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Speaker 5: I think I thought they've just talked money and he

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Speaker 5: said no. If that was from his part, there was

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Speaker 5: never an official he.

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Speaker 8: Lost to Mistah. Granted, I'm not gonna sit here and

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Speaker 8: see the wrong decisions.

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Speaker 1: I'm not conceiting he was considered.

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Speaker 8: He was considered for the position BOO this year and

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Speaker 8: now with the Mike McCarthy, and it was obviously following

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Speaker 8: the last game. On the first word, I said that

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Speaker 8: I don't believe that Mike McCarthy was going to return,

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Speaker 8: but I've been very adamant that I was hoping that

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Speaker 8: he was going to return.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately he's not here. I think that I don't think

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Speaker 1: this will happen. This is my who I think should come.

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Speaker 7: In it's a good feeling.

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Speaker 1: If it's a good feeling, I think. I think I

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Speaker 1: think John Gruden is the black sheep. I think he's.

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Speaker 8: Obviously there's a lot of speculation around, you know, the

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Speaker 8: stuff that he had that went down.

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Speaker 1: That caused him to lose his job originally.

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Speaker 8: I think that stuff's kind of getting swept under the rug,

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Speaker 8: like things happened to do. Yeah, I think when you

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Speaker 8: think about somebody who's going to come into this organization

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Speaker 8: with everything that you have to bear as a head

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Speaker 8: coach here, I think coach McCarthy felt the weight of

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Speaker 8: a lot of that as well. I don't think that

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Speaker 8: he necessarily wanted to do all the things that came

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Speaker 8: with being the head coach of the Cowboys, but he

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Speaker 8: did them right because that's what the job and you know, required.

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Speaker 8: But I don't think it was a willingness. I think

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Speaker 8: John Gruden will welcome all of those things. I think

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Speaker 8: John Gruden is a great spokesperson in terms of forward facing.

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Speaker 8: I think he can stand on business at all times.

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Speaker 8: I don't I think he can handle the media very well.

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Speaker 1: Very well.

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Speaker 7: He's been in the media.

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Speaker 8: He's been in the media prior to that. He knew

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Speaker 8: how to handle the media. He just knows how to

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Speaker 8: win as well. I like his his grit and the

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Speaker 8: determination in terms of what when you start talking about

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Speaker 8: a coach and what everybody underneath him embodies that that

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Speaker 8: team embodies the spirit of the coach. Right, we talked

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Speaker 8: about a dan Quinn Right, the whole, the whole state

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Speaker 8: of this of this team changed when dan Quinn came

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Speaker 8: out because people started embodying what DQ had. Now you're

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Speaker 8: seeing it in Washington. I think John Gruden is one

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Speaker 8: of those guys. I don't think that you're allowed to

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Speaker 8: be soft and allowed to not have high effort if

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Speaker 8: you're on.

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Speaker 1: A John Gruden team.

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Speaker 8: I think that's just one of the things that's just

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Speaker 8: you just know, right in terms So that's culture, right,

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Speaker 8: somebody who's got to bring a culture with them. You're

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Speaker 8: not wondering if they're going to establish a culture. You're

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Speaker 8: not wondering if they're capable of it. You're not wondering

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Speaker 8: if they're just a good play caller. You know you're

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Speaker 8: gonna get culture. You know you're gonna get disciplined. You

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Speaker 8: know you're gonna get wins, right, and you know you're

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Speaker 8: gonna get somebody who can handle the weight of the star.

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Speaker 8: Those are all things that I believe that John Gruden possesses.

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Speaker 8: Whether it happens or not, I don't know, but that's

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Speaker 8: somebody that I know for sure to say, Hey, that

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Speaker 8: dude right there can handle being the head coach of

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Speaker 8: the Dallas Colbal.

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Speaker 7: You can handle the weight Isaiah right now for sure.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, sir, hand up, Okay, fantastic points. Everything you

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Speaker 8: said is a fantastic thank you, sir.

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Speaker 7: So I'm not laughing at you. So my question just

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Speaker 7: I wanted to let I wanted to let it be done.

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Speaker 1: Laughing. So my question isn't necessarily for me.

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Speaker 8: This is me playing Devil's average, going to be a

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Speaker 8: Kyle Yeomans, nice right kid, So Devil's Advocate.

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Speaker 1: Everything you said is absolutely correct.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So if you're going to go that route with

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Speaker 8: Grooden because of all of those things, the media portion notwithstanding,

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Speaker 8: because who I'm about to say wasn't necessarily didn't have

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Speaker 8: any TV broke, so he didn't move throughout the weeds

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Speaker 8: and the TV world like that.

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Speaker 1: If you're Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 8: Why don't you just look at Mike Zimmer for those

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Speaker 8: for everything that you talked about now this, no, this

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Speaker 8: is not me saying I would.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking why, advocate I see and I still stand

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Speaker 1: behind this.

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Speaker 8: I've seen Mike. I've seen Mike Zimmer throw his quarterback

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Speaker 8: under the bus before before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, his name is Kur. I can't look past that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't look past that. It was it was during

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Speaker 1: a time that was that tumultuous, crazy time.

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Speaker 8: Nobody knew what was going on. Somebody was standing on

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Speaker 8: their beliefs or somebody was I hear you. That's that's

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Speaker 8: different though, take right, So, so attacking my beliefs and

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Speaker 8: attacking what you feel I should be doing or too

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Speaker 8: because of completely different things, and then to throw somebody

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Speaker 8: under the bus who was supposed to be the leader

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Speaker 8: of your team publicly, I can't look past that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 8: Now let me tell you who if because we talked

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Speaker 8: about this on the emergency podcasts and go to Dallas

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Speaker 8: Cowboys dot com. I have my twenty plus candidates that

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys will have interest in, either somewhat or wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 1: That's up right now one Dallas call.

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Speaker 8: I sectioned it off between the nflers, which a year

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Speaker 8: old guard kind of in the John group. So I

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Speaker 8: got John Gruten in there, and then you look at

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Speaker 8: the in house guys Mike Zimmer, Al Harris Bones Fossil,

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Speaker 8: and then you look at the collegiate guys.

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Speaker 1: So go check it out.

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Speaker 8: Sure, So right now we're talking about the box of

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Speaker 8: the nflers is what I call them. John Gruton is

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Speaker 8: an nfler. For me, I'll see you at John Gruton.

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Speaker 1: I'll raise you. Pete Carroll in that box, all for

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Speaker 1: it in that box. So for me, I don't.

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Speaker 8: Disagree with anything that you're saying as far as Gruton

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Speaker 8: is concerned, but I feel like turn the knob just

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Speaker 8: a little bit, and I'm more in on Pete Carroll

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Speaker 8: than I am on John. I understand that, especially when

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Speaker 8: you're talking about more recent success at the NFL level.

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Speaker 8: Also proficient with how to handle the media. You talk

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Speaker 8: about someone who's been under the brightest of lights, whether

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Speaker 8: it be at the USC program, and not just USC,

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Speaker 8: but the USC program that's he orchestrated, came through that

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Speaker 8: controversy mostly clean, went to Seattle, won a lot of games,

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Speaker 8: won a Super Bowl, helped design that the Legion of

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Speaker 8: Boom with Dan Quinn. So you got, you know, a

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Speaker 8: taste of what Pete Carroll's tree can do for you.

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Speaker 8: Why not go get the root of the actual tree.

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Speaker 10: To that point, though, I am I'm curious though. If

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Speaker 10: Will McClay is staying that to me informs me whether

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Speaker 10: or not I go with Gruden or if I go

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Speaker 10: with Carol. If it's Gruden, I need Will McClay because

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Speaker 10: I've seen what Gruden has done as far as draft prospects,

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Speaker 10: draft picks, picking guys that are very flashy. Will McLay

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Speaker 10: has found diamonds in the rough, and you don't have

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Speaker 10: as many draft picks as you would like going into

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Speaker 10: this draft.

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Speaker 7: Of course, that fourth round pick.

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Speaker 1: Is, yes, the big one.

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Speaker 5: They've got a lot of cop picks coming, because that's

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Speaker 5: true the lack of offseason they had last year.

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Speaker 6: But that fourth round pick missing.

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Speaker 7: That is but you're gonna miss that.

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Speaker 1: I love where you're going with this finish up.

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Speaker 10: But with Pete Carroll, I think you do have an

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Speaker 10: opportunity to still be successful as recruiting.

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Speaker 7: Because of recruiting, people want to play for him.

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Speaker 10: I think that is a huge tell whether if those

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Speaker 10: are your two candidates, which way you're leaning. If you

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Speaker 10: don't have Will McLay, I don't want John gun in

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Speaker 10: that case.

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Speaker 8: How about this? I don't why is it a situation?

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Speaker 8: And you're right, but I don't feel like it should

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Speaker 8: be a situation where you have to choose. Again, we're

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Speaker 8: just talking about this box. We'll get to the Ben

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Speaker 8: Johnson's and the other in the Kellen Mooreris we'll talk

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Speaker 8: about that, but just speaking in this box, why not

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Speaker 8: dragon Ball?

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Speaker 1: Why not do a fusion dance?

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Speaker 8: Pete Carroll and Will McLay fantastic recruiting, fantastic scouting, doubt

682
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Speaker 8: Why force yourself into a situation where you have to

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Speaker 8: choose between one and the other?

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Speaker 1: YEA, just fuse.

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Speaker 8: I've played for Pete Carroll and heruited you, and he

686
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Speaker 8: recruited me heavily harder than any body.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't see for sure it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: But my first.

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Speaker 8: My first day of practice in Seattle after he has

690
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Speaker 8: signed me, was he came up to me a stretch

691
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Speaker 8: line and said, I told you I was gonna get you.

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Speaker 8: I don't see Pete Carroll living in Texas. Wow, I

693
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Speaker 8: think that's a geographic decision for Pete Carroll. What I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 8: you're saying this as somebody who knows him personally, but

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Speaker 8: got you got to give him.

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Speaker 7: But things have changed for Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 8: Things have changed, Things have changed, but there is still

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Speaker 8: a job on the west coast. M miss what's the

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Speaker 8: west coast?

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Speaker 6: Vegas?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that considered the west Coast's definitely west coast.

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Speaker 6: I mean like three hours.

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Speaker 1: Drive to l A.

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Speaker 5: Are we on the bulf of Mexico in Dallas because

705
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Speaker 5: they're about the same amount of drive.

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Speaker 7: Calveston's right there.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I mean saying I think he's more Las Vegas than

709
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Speaker 8: he is Dallas. That's not to say that the Cowboys

710
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Speaker 8: want to talk to him. That's not to say that

711
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Speaker 8: he wouldn't work here. I think he would. I think

712
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Speaker 8: Coach Carroll can work anywhere because he's a He's a

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Speaker 8: culture guy. Right, you talked about the DQ's of the

714
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Speaker 8: world and all these they came from his tree. He

715
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Speaker 8: can make it happen, for sure. I just think that

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Speaker 8: if he had a choice, I think he would prefer

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Speaker 8: Vegas over Dallas. Now here's what I think could overcome that.

718
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Speaker 8: What we talked about yesterday on the Emergency Pod. This

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Speaker 8: is a Cowboys team that has cornerstone pieces, yes, already

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Speaker 8: in place. You got your franchise quarterbacks. He's an All

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Speaker 8: Pro and a former MVP front runner. You got your

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Speaker 8: franchise wide receiver record center in Ceedee Lamb. You got

723
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Speaker 8: an all world generational pass rusher that you're in all

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Speaker 8: for all intents and purposes. You're about to give him

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Speaker 8: the super bag. Okay, you have two All Pro corners,

726
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Speaker 8: so for to Marvin Overshoon once he comes back from injury,

727
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Speaker 8: you have Bandre and you got an All Pro kicker.

728
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Speaker 8: You got an All Pro returner. So yeah, Cayle made

729
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Speaker 8: a wonderful point yesterday. Spots eleven through fifty three, there's

730
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Speaker 8: a lot to be worked out there, Spots one through

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Speaker 8: ten or eleven. Vegas can't boast that there's a lot

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Speaker 8: of teams in the Chicago can't boast that.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville can't boast at New Orleans can't boast that.

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Speaker 8: So if if the breaking or the deal breaker for

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Speaker 8: Pete is simply Texas versus Illinois versus Florida, I can

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Speaker 8: overcome that.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, look at what we have and what they

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Speaker 1: don't have. It's not just that I.

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Speaker 8: Understand how and height of a relationship and those state

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Speaker 8: texts that Coach Carroll had with Snyder when he was

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Speaker 8: in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Those guys were like they were like attached at the hill.

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Speaker 1: They agreed. So understand how in symmetry he has to

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Speaker 1: be with the gym or Will McLay. Will McLay, maybe

745
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Speaker 1: the symmetry just needs to exist with Will McClay. Right.

746
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Speaker 1: So so that's the nfler's box.

747
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Speaker 8: In the NFL's box, we got John Grutin, we got

748
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Speaker 8: who do we say, Pete Carroll. But then of course

749
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Speaker 8: the elephant in the room is the coordinator's box. So

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Speaker 8: now Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Kellen Moore, who that's a

751
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Speaker 8: big one. He's a front runner, whether you like it

752
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Speaker 8: or not. And I'm going to say that I'm not

753
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Speaker 8: in on that, but speaking from the thought process of

754
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Speaker 8: the guys upstairs, Kellen Moore is absolutely from.

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Speaker 6: He I know you don't like it, and you don't

756
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Speaker 6: see it.

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Speaker 1: I don't either, and I don't see it, but they

758
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Speaker 1: see it, but I.

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Speaker 8: Just I don't When you start speaking on the Ben Johnson's,

760
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Speaker 8: the Aaron Glens, I think Top Monkin, I think Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 8: You have a better idea of the culture that you

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Speaker 8: would have underneath Aaron Glenn than you would of the

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Speaker 8: culture of Ben Johnson. I don't know him well enough

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Speaker 8: to speak on him, but I don't I've never heard

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Speaker 8: of culture or the environment that he's created. There you

766
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Speaker 8: hear about his play calling, I haven't heard much about

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Speaker 8: the culture that he's kind of created.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so he's a.

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Speaker 5: Little bit more soft spoken and timid than Dan Campbell's

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Speaker 5: not a little a little yeah, I mean, like today

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Speaker 5: one A lot of times coordinators will elevate to the

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Speaker 5: inner level.

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Speaker 8: So for sure, that's so that's my That's always my fear.

774
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Speaker 8: That's always my fear when it comes to head coaches,

775
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Speaker 8: is you could be a hell of a play caller,

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Speaker 8: a hell of a coordinator. I don't mean that you're

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Speaker 8: gonna be a great head coach. Yeah, right, And if

778
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Speaker 8: you're soft spoken. Through my experience and for what I've

779
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Speaker 8: seen around the league, even just the coaches that I

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Speaker 8: had and the coaches that i've seen now, quiet and

781
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Speaker 8: timid or not, whatever you might want to call it

782
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 8: as a great play caller. You have to manage the coaches.

783
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Speaker 8: Your job is to coach the coaches. That's what a

784
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Speaker 8: head coach's job is, coach the coaches and manage everything else.

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Speaker 8: You're the executive other coaches. I don't know Ben Johnson's

786
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Speaker 8: leadership skills. I don't I play with with Aaron Gliss.

787
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Speaker 8: I have an idea of that. I don't have an

788
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Speaker 8: idea of who's the other person? You got said killing Moore, Benja.

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Speaker 1: I mean killing Moore. I don't see. I'm Kellen Moore

790
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Speaker 1: is a good play I don't see him as a

791
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Speaker 1: lead leader man. I just don't. So that's when I

792
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Speaker 1: think of a head coach. That's why Gruden pops.

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Speaker 8: Up immediately to immediately to me, I think, obviously, Ron Rivera,

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Speaker 8: that's gonna go about I pushed back there from a

795
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 8: lot of people. But you talk about leader of men,

796
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Speaker 8: leader of men, that's what you're trying to come in. Yeah,

797
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 8: I feel you, But like that's what you're coming in

798
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 8: and asking of a coach. Yeah you want to win, Yeah, okay,

799
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Speaker 8: but what goes into that, right? Who's your staff that

800
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 8: you're bringing in? Do you have command of those coaches.

801
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 8: Are you going to be able to tell those coaches

802
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 8: this is the culture that we're running, and they're gonna say, okay, right,

803
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 8: those are all things. Does your strength and conditioning program

804
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 8: match up with your style of play?

805
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Speaker 1: Right? These are all things that go into that leadership.

806
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Speaker 8: And if you don't have a good sense of that

807
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 8: person coming in with that all wrapped up, now you're hoping.

808
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Now you're guessing. Now you just don't know, right, Kellamar

809
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: what culture does he bring? I don't know. Ben Johnson,

810
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: what culture does you bring?

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Speaker 13: I don't know.

812
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: Your office line is gonna be catching the ball?

813
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Speaker 8: I don't know, right, Aaron Glynn, Okay, you know there's

814
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Speaker 8: gonna be some discipline there, right, These guys are gonna

815
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Speaker 8: be They're gonna be butting up, right, They're gonna be

816
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Speaker 8: butting up.

817
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Speaker 1: But when I think about that's why I lean towards in.

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Speaker 8: Terms of this organization, I lean towards the people who

819
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Speaker 8: have done it before, right, Yeah, to say, okay, you

820
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Speaker 8: know what, organ I'm not running the risk, right, I

821
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Speaker 8: just let go on, McCarthy. I'm not about to run

822
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Speaker 8: the risk on rolling the dice and seeing who may

823
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Speaker 8: or may not work out like they have this this

824
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Speaker 8: box check, but I don't know about these other boxes.

825
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Speaker 1: That's why I lean towards Gruden, right or the RIVERA.

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Speaker 8: Rivera is the guys that are more established, because like, Okay,

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Speaker 8: I've seen them lead, I've seen them get to the

828
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Speaker 8: big games, or I've seen them do these things, and

829
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Speaker 8: i know what I'm going to get and I'm hopeful

830
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Speaker 8: that I can get it again or get more out

831
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Speaker 8: of them.

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Speaker 1: Right, But I know for sure that I have a

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Speaker 1: baseline there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it gives you at least some level of confidence

835
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Speaker 5: going into it, and you don't necessarily have that outside

836
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Speaker 5: of that.

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Speaker 6: Now, we got to take our second break.

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Speaker 5: When we come back, I want to talk about who

839
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Speaker 1: To Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: All right back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment of

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Speaker 5: the show is brought to you by and Vis Line,

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Speaker 5: the official Smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Patrick Nocy, Walker,

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Speaker 5: Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah standback, Chris Pian in the back, Kyle.

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Speaker 6: All right. There were a couple names yesterday. I want

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Speaker 6: to cross one off.

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Speaker 5: Patrick wants to cross one off in terms of names

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Speaker 5: that the Cowboys could think about. We had a conversation

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Speaker 5: yesterday of what it would take to bring Sean McVay

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Speaker 5: into the building, and a lot of that results around

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Speaker 5: a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: I'd give it up, I know you would. Would La

899
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Speaker 1: give it up?

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Speaker 7: Would they give up Sean McVay up at the second.

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Speaker 8: As of a couple of months ago? Inside I had

902
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Speaker 8: Sean want it. He still is open to get He

903
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Speaker 8: wants to get out of there.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I'm looking at that game last night. I think

905
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Speaker 5: that's an absolute pipe trick. Oh yeah, I don't know

906
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 5: what they have a thing anymore. La doesn't want to

907
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Speaker 5: get rid of him. He he may not one out anymore.

908
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Speaker 5: He may one out, who knows, But it's really not.

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Speaker 1: Up to him at this point, this after next weekend.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I I just don't think it's going to be

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Speaker 6: a thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's highly probable. I think it's impossible.

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Speaker 1: I would impossible.

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Speaker 5: I would stake a bet like I would do a

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Speaker 5: hot Chip challenge if that ends up happening, I would

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Speaker 5: one hundred.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not good with spicy, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I would do it. I would die. So that's your

919
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Speaker 1: strike through it at the probability.

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Speaker 6: I'm striking through Sean McVay, it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Happening.

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Speaker 8: I'm striking through Bill Belichick. Yeah, got a job number one,

923
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Speaker 8: he has a job. But yeah, things can pivot and

924
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Speaker 8: things can change. Like Isaia said, nothing impossible.

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Speaker 13: But.

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Speaker 1: Stop it. Jerry Jones is not going to pay the

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Speaker 1: ten million.

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Speaker 8: Dollars it would take to buy Bill Belichick out and

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Speaker 8: then pay the exorbitant salary that would then be required

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Speaker 8: by Bill Belichick, who also, by the way, what's that

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Speaker 8: sea word that Janet used to say?

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Speaker 1: Control? Oh okay, Yeah, it's not happening, right.

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Speaker 8: For the same reason that Jerry Jones is not going

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Speaker 8: to pay eight plus million dollars to buy Deon Sanders

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Speaker 8: out of the contract to Color.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. So strike through Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 8: I think that he's really setting up himself for the

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Speaker 8: University of North Carolina and that's just going to be

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Speaker 8: a thing.

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Speaker 1: So strike that, and for me an add on, strike.

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Speaker 8: Jason Whitten as a viable head coaching candidate. Okay, we

942
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Speaker 8: talk about lack of experience and how and I agree

943
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Speaker 8: with you. You don't necessarily have time for a guy

944
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Speaker 8: who doesn't have the NFL experience. But there's some You

945
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Speaker 8: can make an excuse for Ben Johnson, you can make

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Speaker 8: an excuse for that. Erin Glynn, you can make an

947
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Speaker 8: excuse for that. If they want to make an excuse

948
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Speaker 8: for Keller Moore, they will find a reason to make

949
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Speaker 8: an excuse for Kella Moore. But what you can't just

950
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Speaker 8: is pulling a guy up who has only two to

951
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Speaker 8: three years of coaching experience period, and all of that

952
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Speaker 8: is at the high school in Jason Whitt. So strip

953
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Speaker 8: through that. But I would love to have Jason Witten

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Speaker 8: as a position coach. We talked about what that would

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Speaker 8: mean as far as the shake up that's coming within

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Speaker 8: the assistant coaching ranks.

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear.

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Speaker 8: If hiring Jason Witten as a position coach costs you

959
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Speaker 8: Lounda Wells, then it's not worth the hire. If hiring

960
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Speaker 8: Jason Whitten keeps Lounda Welles, but maybe you put Lounda

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Speaker 8: Wells in a different position, like an offensive line coach,

962
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Speaker 8: which he's done before. But that also allows Lounda to

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Speaker 8: still be in the building helping Jason Witten with the

964
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Speaker 8: tight ends again fusion dance.

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Speaker 1: I'm with that.

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Speaker 7: Well, what about the people that are i mean, obviously,

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Speaker 7: Jason Witten.

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Speaker 10: Is a beloved figure in Cowboy's history, right, what about

969
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 10: the people that are saying, well, look at what Dan

970
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Speaker 10: Campbell's done.

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Speaker 7: Look at a former player turn head.

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Speaker 1: Coach and in a bottle.

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Speaker 8: And also you have to Isaiah made a wonderful point.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to circle right back to this. When you're

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Speaker 8: assessing the Dan Campbell situation, you can't look at it

976
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Speaker 8: as a vacuum and say, oh, well, they hired Dan Campbell.

977
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Speaker 8: He was a four I'm a Cowboys player. He went

978
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Speaker 8: up there and he changed the whole culture.

979
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Changing the whole culture? Right? He

980
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: was given the control to be able to pull in

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Speaker 1: a Bill Johnson and Therey.

982
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Speaker 8: Glenn and those other positional coaches to move that Titanic

983
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Speaker 8: away from that iceberg.

984
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Speaker 1: Will that all of those variables.

985
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Speaker 8: Exist in the exact same way, in the exact same

986
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Speaker 8: fashion here in Dallas.

987
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Speaker 1: The answer is no.

988
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Speaker 8: So you can't hope for another Dan Campbell. You gotta

989
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Speaker 8: go with what probably fits you best in the right now.

990
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Speaker 8: So if you want to go youthful and a guy

991
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Speaker 8: he wasn't a former cowboy, but former Pro Bowl caliber

992
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Speaker 8: guy who's helped turn some guys around, Al Harris is

993
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Speaker 8: staring you right there in the face.

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Speaker 1: If you want to roll some dice, If you want

995
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Speaker 1: to roll.

996
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Speaker 10: Some dice as NFL head coaching or NFL coaching experience coaching.

997
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Speaker 8: And you've seen his ability to develop exactly You've seen

998
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Speaker 8: he's a guy that players will run through a wall for,

999
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Speaker 8: you know what I mean. So if you're gonna roll dice, though,

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Speaker 8: that's the name, that's justifiable to roll dice. For as

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Speaker 8: much as I love Jason Witten, we're talking to head

1002
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Speaker 8: coaching conversation, I'm out on that respectfully.

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Speaker 1: Respectfully, of course, that's just for say whatever you want

1004
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Speaker 1: to say, respectfully.

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Speaker 8: I know I have such reverence for Jason as a man,

1006
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Speaker 8: as a father. You know, if you know his story

1007
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Speaker 8: coming up, it's.

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Speaker 7: On Deep Blue Dallas Copples dot com.

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Speaker 8: Everything he overcame to become one of the best to

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Speaker 8: ever do it. I do think that he will be

1011
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Speaker 8: a sensational NFL coach at some point. That point is

1012
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Speaker 8: not right now. He needs more grooming and it starts

1013
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Speaker 8: with coming from high school. Give him a position to job,

1014
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Speaker 8: and then let him work his way up over the

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Speaker 8: next several.

1016
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Speaker 5: For every Dan Campbell, and that is more so the

1017
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Speaker 5: exception and not the rule. For every Dan Campbell, there's

1018
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Speaker 5: also a draw Mayo. Yes, there's also Jeff Saturday. There's

1019
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Speaker 5: guys that are making that quick transition in the league

1020
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Speaker 5: that don't have success because of whatever parameters they're given,

1021
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Speaker 5: the roster they're given, and all of those elements.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday in Indianapolis, no where to go.

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Speaker 5: He was the head coach there for a hot set

1024
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Speaker 5: after that. Yeah, he was just on the broadcast with

1025
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Speaker 5: Everybuddy restaurant.

1026
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Again, Dan Campbell was lightning in the bottle and he

1028
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Speaker 8: had they gave him the control, Yeah, to turn that.

1029
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Speaker 1: So he's the leader of men.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta have the right person.

1031
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Speaker 1: That he was the right person. It was everything, no,

1032
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Speaker 1: everything else.

1033
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Speaker 8: But I'm saying, like, the one thing is, like, you

1034
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Speaker 8: have to command a room full of men, and they

1035
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 8: have to listen to you and believe in you, and

1036
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 8: whatever you're pitching, they have to literally embody it.

1037
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Speaker 1: You have to be willing to write.

1038
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 8: Like, I don't think people understand how difficult that is

1039
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 8: to walk in a room and tell everybody what your

1040
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 8: vision is and everybody says, okay, I'm on board.

1041
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not the easiest thing in the world.

1042
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 7: A lot of people don't want to hear you out.

1043
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, your natural instinct is to be like trying to

1044
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 8: hear this cat. That's your natural instinct. But then you

1045
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 8: have to sit back and you gotta watch how this

1046
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 8: person moves, How does this person operate? Is this person consistent?

1047
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: Do they waiver? Right? Do they are they passionate? Do

1048
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: they love they?

1049
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 8: Do they genuinely love everybody? How do they treat the janitor?

1050
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Speaker 8: Like all these things matter, right, that's all culture. That's

1051
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Speaker 8: all culture, man, And like you don't just walk into that, right,

1052
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Speaker 8: and especially when you've been in the league as a

1053
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 8: culture coordinator for a number of years. You have a

1054
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Speaker 8: body and work to look back and be like, yeah,

1055
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Speaker 8: I don't know who followed you, Is anybody following you?

1056
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Speaker 1: Or did you just do a good job calling plays?

1057
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Speaker 14: No?

1058
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Speaker 1: I see.

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Speaker 8: And that's why if you're going to go into let's

1060
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Speaker 8: say the coordinator's pool, right, I find it difficult to

1061
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Speaker 8: believe that, and I could be proven wrong.

1062
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Speaker 1: We'll see.

1063
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Speaker 8: I find it difficult to believe that Kela Moore can

1064
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Speaker 8: walk into a room full of NFL players defense and

1065
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Speaker 8: offense and get an immediate buy in like a guy

1066
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Speaker 8: like a Pete Carroll or like a John Gruden. But

1067
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Speaker 8: if you're looking at coordinators, you look at what Demiko

1068
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 8: Ryan's was able to do with the Texans. But that's

1069
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Speaker 8: because that's the type of aura. When Demiko Ryans walked

1070
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Speaker 8: in the room, and he's such a player's coach buy in.

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Speaker 1: Can't give an example.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I don't know how how smart this is

1073
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Speaker 8: me to say so in off season list. Upcoming off

1074
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Speaker 8: this previous offseason, I was doing Rise to Vote. I

1075
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Speaker 8: was working with a nonprofit organization that goes and talks

1076
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Speaker 8: and presents all the voting information. Right, these are all.

1077
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Speaker 8: This is how you do it is how you sign up.

1078
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Speaker 8: This is all the information that you guys need to know.

1079
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Speaker 8: While I was doing that in affiliation with the NFL.

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Speaker 8: So there's a number of organizations, no number of teams

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Speaker 8: that I went.

1082
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Speaker 1: And presented to. The Bears is one of the organizations.

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Speaker 8: When I went in there and I talked to when

1084
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Speaker 8: I talked to the team, I was introduced by Ibra

1085
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Speaker 8: Flus and I was like, no, like just just really

1086
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Speaker 8: just in the ten minutes that I was that, I

1087
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Speaker 8: wasn't sitting there. I think he'd be a great coordinator again,

1088
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Speaker 8: and he was best, but coming from a former player

1089
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Speaker 8: who retired twelve years ago, right, I was in that room,

1090
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Speaker 8: I was like, not a head coach saying it, no

1091
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 8: disrespect to the man, but like, you're not commanding these

1092
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Speaker 8: guys just from him, how he how he addressed the team.

1093
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Speaker 8: In my head, I kept it to myself, right, and

1094
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Speaker 8: obviously that's worked his way out, but I knew from them.

1095
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Speaker 1: I was like, he's not going to be able to

1096
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Speaker 1: get these guys on board. Yeah, let the aura tough immediately.

1097
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Speaker 1: That's just as me, that's me sitting in a room

1098
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Speaker 1: as a former player and be like he doesn't. He doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean he can't call plays,

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Speaker 1: he can't command.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, we'll see lots to talk about.

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Speaker 1: This will not be the final time we talk about

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Speaker 1: this head coaching vacant. We'll be back. Yeah, it'd be interesting.

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Speaker 6: Uh, that'll be We'll be back Tuesday at eleven or.

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Speaker 1: No ten am.

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Speaker 5: On Tuesdays from here on out. We'll talk about it

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Speaker 5: again next week. Maybe we'll have some more names and

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Speaker 5: we'll be able to cross some others off the list

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Speaker 5: as we go along.

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Speaker 6: For Patrick No.

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Speaker 5: See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stanback, Chris Beave in the

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Speaker 5: back of Kyle Yoman saying so long, we'll see you

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Speaker 5: next Tuesday.

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