1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: with I our radio. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost as podcast. Today we 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: are recapping episode five of Bachelor in Paradise and guess 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: who we have doing so with us. It is one 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: of our favorite Bachelor in Paradise alums, taj Wan Hawkins. Yeah, Tajwan, 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: you're a Paradise icon. I mean when people think about you, 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: I guess people think about like how you just were 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: so hot all the time, Like physically you actually felt sweating. 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: So hot personally like both like how much would you 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: have loved to have a C like these people are having. 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 4: The second I heard that they had a C, my 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 4: jaw hit the floor, kidding. I would have done so 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 4: much better. 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: This would have been a time for you to thrive. 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: You should have. So you were on Paradise twice, you're 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: on season six and seven. If only you had skipped 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: one of those, then you could have been perhaps on this. 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 4: I know my timing was bad. 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the reasons you're here today is because 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 3: you do have some very strong opinions about Paradise right now, 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: and that's what we're having about Paradise right now. I 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: think that's what everybody needs when it comes to Paradise. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: We don't need this like lukewarm, wishy washy. Yeah, I 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: don't know if it's good or not. I feel like 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: at this point you have to make a decision. Do 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: you like the new Paradise or you don't? I say that, 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: And as we've been known here recently, we're hypocrites because 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 3: there's parts of this new Paradise I do enjoy, I say, 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: but there's also parts I really dislike. So how are 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: you feeling towards the whole season now? 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 4: Overall? With the new season unpopular opinion? I think it 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 4: needed a shake up, like it was time, and I 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: feel like it was overdue. But I do miss the 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: nostalgic pieces of Paradise. It's just like you miss the 36 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: entrances coming down the stairs, you know, you miss all 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: the chirons and the funny bits. I don't know. That's 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: kind of where I've landed. I think it needed to happen, 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: so I think it'll take the rest of America some 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 4: time to get used to it. 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: Here's the part that nobody's talking about that I really 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: want the two of your opinions on before we break down. 43 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: This episode which you're going to break down this episode 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: of Paradise. We've already been confirmed that when there is 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: the next Bachelor, whoever that may be, the same production 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 3: team will be doing the Bachelor, which means it's probably 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: gonna look very similar in a lot of ways, with 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: the high def cameras and the editing and the cutting. 49 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: Are we excited for that or do we feel like 50 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: The Bachelor should not change from what it was? 51 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 2: Actually I feel like the Bachelor could use that shake up. 52 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm down for that. I think Paradise people just like 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: never had any complaints about Paradise. Nobody was there like, oh, 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: Paradise is tired. But I'm loving it now. I'm just 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: telling you you we had our complaints earlier on the season, 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: but this episode marked like my like three episodes totally 57 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: in It feels far more familiar again to me, the 58 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: flashy style editing was is just coming across more subdued. 59 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm just used to it or 60 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: maybe because the storylines are evolving more, but I am 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: finding myself watching it the way that I used to. 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it takes some time to get used to. 63 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not. 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: I don't like it, So I don't like it. Why 65 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: what's distracting you? Is it just like the slow motion sexiness? 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: It's a slow motion, it's the editing. It's location. Really 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: for me, I think is even when I think it 68 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: was Jonathan pulled somebody away to have like a one 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: on one conversation at some point, like early on in 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: this episode, and probably Cat, they had to walk like 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: it looked like twenty minutes to find any sort of privacy, 72 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: Like they just kept walking and running in to people 73 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: along the way if you remember this, But it just 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: felt like this, this whole resort isn't set up for 75 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: a Paradise vibe to me, and I don't I liked 76 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: Paradise being what it was. I have said this and 77 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: I'll stick to it, and I'm not mad at the 78 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: show for trying something new. I think it's always a 79 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: great thing to do, and it takes some courage and 80 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: it takes some guts. I miss beautiful people sweating and 81 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: being uncomfortable all the time. I miss it. It's something 82 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: I enjoyed. I think the fans enjoyed it. We like 83 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: seeing the Tajuans like go down being a beautiful human 84 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: and sweating her brains out for five days, being like 85 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: I hate every second of this, and we're like, it's relatable. 86 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 2: It's really everything takes place in the same set, you 87 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: know how. Sometimes you'll go to a Broadway show, not 88 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: sure if you guys frequent them, but some some have 89 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: sets where like it's constantly in motion, and then sometimes 90 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: it's a set set and that can get kind of 91 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: boring to watch, and I feel like that's kind of 92 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: what's happening. And I'm also feeling that the resort is 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: looking a little cheaper, like even where the rose ceremonies are, 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: it's just not lush. It looks like it could be 95 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: like just like a Standard. I mean, I love a Hilton, okay, 96 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: but like it looks like it could just like be 97 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: a Hilton. 98 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I miss the bunk beds. Like it's too it's 99 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 4: too posh. It's too posh. I'm looking at the food 100 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 4: they're eating. It's just they're they're having they're enjoying themselves 101 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: a little too much for my liking. 102 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: No One, Yeah, we want them to struggle. But what 103 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: I liked about this episode, because let's get into this episode, 104 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: is we saw a lot of behind the sort of 105 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: like behind the curtain moments where the guys were talking 106 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: in their rooms and we saw that we were talking 107 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: to Hakeem today earlier and he said that every bedroom 108 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: has a camera, and there was one really interesting conversation 109 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: that happened between was it Brian and Jeremy, where Jeremy said, 110 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: I love a moment like this. I wish they would 111 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: do it more often. He goes, I don't want to 112 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: say what I'm gonna say with my mic on and 113 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: then he like tried to like say, I don't know, 114 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: like what, I don't know whether they caught it on 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: a different mic that's like maybe also in the room, 116 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: but they had it pretty clear that he said I 117 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: should have given my rose to Susie. I'm like not 118 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 2: that interested in Bailey. 119 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: He messed up. 120 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: That was a big moment. 121 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big moment, especially because rumors on social 122 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: media right now are that Jeremy and Bayley are together 123 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: somewhere and like vacationing. What mm hmm, it's happening right 124 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: now as we speak. This is the rumors spoiler alert, 125 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: they might make it and now she's having to watch 126 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: his back being like you really liked me. 127 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: Huh, I'd be very upset. 128 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: Very was the case, very upset. All Right, here we go, 129 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: We're gonna start this thing out. It is uh. Before 130 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: we go, though, uh, Tajuan, I want to talk to 131 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: you about your real estate career. You're co hosting with 132 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: us today because you have strong opinions on this year paradise, 133 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: and we need those strong opinions from you. We want 134 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: those strong opinions from you. We want you to share 135 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: as honestly as you want to be honest. But you're 136 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: also very successful right now in the Denver real estate market. 137 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: I want to give you a second to shout that 138 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: out for anybody looking and wanting what's going on. 139 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so much happening. I feel like you see 140 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: so many different headlines in the news, and like it's 141 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: really hard to keep up. I would say, if you're 142 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: in the market to buy or sell, just give me 143 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: a call and I'll help you out. I think the 144 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: biggest thing right now is calling me to negotiate seller 145 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: concessions for you so you can get into a home. 146 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: So that's a really big thing that we're seeing right now. 147 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: So it's been very busy. I've been negotiating contracts all day. 148 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: So where's the best way to reach you? 149 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: I would say, just go to my Instagram and click 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 4: on the link in my bio has my I phone 151 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: number email information there and you can get in touch. 152 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: That's the best way. 153 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a wild time, especially because it 154 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: feels like most people under the age of thirty right 155 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: now will have a very hard time finding a home. 156 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: And you need a good agent to find a home, 157 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: to help negotiate and to help navigate the process. If not, 158 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: you're going to be a thirty eight year old person 159 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 3: wanting to find a home that will never have owned 160 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: a home. And that's a dream I think of all 161 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: of ours. So yeah, we should reach out. Find her 162 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: on Instagram. But today she is a co host of 163 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: the almost famous podcast It's Day nine of Paradise. The 164 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: Men have the Roses and Faith Martin shows up to 165 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: the beach, which is still one of the most confusing 166 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: things that ever happen on Paradise to me, because now 167 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: we have six golden women and three golden men and 168 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: the men have the roses just to remind everybody. 169 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they like don't want the golden to 170 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: find love, especially, it doesn't make it also a moment 171 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: where they had go on the date with Kathy and 172 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: like not wait for Captain Kim to come back. I 173 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: was like, do they just want us to see like 174 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: ladies out on a lady date because it'll be more interesting, 175 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: or like do they really not really care? 176 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: Can ladies give ladies roses? 177 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: So true? Why couldn't they just wait? I guess the 178 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: horseback riding actually had an appointment time anyway? All right, 179 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: so yeah, Faith comes in, but the and she says 180 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: that she might become the hoe of the season. She's 181 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: looking forward to kissing many guys, she says, but it's 182 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: then disappointed to see only three, and everybody wants Gary. 183 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,479 Speaker 4: He's a hot commodity. 184 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: I know, Hey, what about cute little Keith? Why is 185 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,239 Speaker 2: Keith not being a hot commodity? 186 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: I have no idea. I feel like, especially for the Goldens, 187 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: this is a different environment. I feel like we're used 188 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 4: to seeing everyone else. This is like they're playground, and 189 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: now that the Goldens are here in Paradise, I feel 190 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: like they don't know what's coming. 191 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: The other side of this is the women, and the 192 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: Golden women seem to be having a lot better time 193 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: with this than the Golden Men. I mean, the Golden 194 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: Men seem like they want to be there. I'm not 195 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: saying they don't. They definitely want to be there. But 196 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: the Golden Women are kind of like diving headfirst into it. 197 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: They are our biggest partiers up to this point, which 198 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: is very obvious when it comes to April and Dale. 199 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: I mean, Dale takes a body shot off of April. 200 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 3: Everybody seems cool with it, so there must have been 201 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: more conversation behind the scenes. Nobody's threatened by April, but 202 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: she's just since day one, she is part of my 203 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: friends and she can quote me on the question on this. 204 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: It just feels like she's trying to get a lay. 205 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 4: No, you're right, I just want some action. 206 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: She's a little discouraged, she's lonely. She just she's out 207 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: there saying I'm gonna wear a bikini, I'm gonna look 208 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: good and faunt my stuff, and if anybody's interested, I'm 209 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: more than happy to be there. 210 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: Oh that's funny, Ben, I'm gonna be honest. I don't 211 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 4: know if I like the Goldens mingling with everyone else. 212 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 4: It feels like something just that should be separate. It 213 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 4: feels wrong. 214 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: Honestly, I've been saying that the Goldens are bringing like 215 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: a levity and making it actually feel like more normal 216 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: paradise to me. But I understand like wanting a little 217 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: separation there. My biggest the storyline that intrigued me the 218 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,359 Speaker 2: most here during this episode was Dale and Kat and Jonathan. 219 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: I just don't understand. Dale just looks like a really 220 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: bad guy right now, do we not agree? 221 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: He does. He's saying things and then not unsaying them, 222 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 4: and I feel like honesty is the best policy and 223 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: he might crash and. 224 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: With Kat, it's going to catch up with him. I mean, 225 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: he's caught on camera saying the things he said, he 226 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: didn't exactly and they're. 227 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: Re airing that. They were like, you know, bigger rot, 228 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: and they're showing it because they want to get him caught. 229 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: They don't have to do that, they so often don't 230 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: they can. This is just a demonstration on how the 231 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: edit can be. Like they didn't have to show and 232 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,479 Speaker 2: they could have left it up to us to speculate, 233 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: but they wanted us to know that he really did 234 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: say these things. 235 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: But I'm in agreeiance. Why not just be honest, like 236 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: This whole thing gets easier if he's honest with Kat 237 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: from the beginning, where it's a hey, I'm into you, 238 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: that's clear to everybody, but I'm not settling down with you. 239 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 3: I am still open and interested in other people. However, 240 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: I am loving every moment we get to have together 241 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: to get to know each other better. But instead he 242 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 3: says these things like, hey, we've turned into the corner. 243 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: Were committed, it's all And then as soon as another 244 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: pretty girl walks and he's like, okay, all right, I'm 245 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: I have no commitments here. It it's questionable to me 246 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: and I don't know Dale. But he says things like 247 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: I know I'm going to be a great father, zero 248 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: doubt you're gonna be a great father. That's a wild 249 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: thing to say, Like you like I am a dad. 250 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: I never once told anybody, Hey, I'm gonna be a 251 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: great dad. I said. I hurt so sure, Hope to God, 252 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: I'll pray to the Lord above. I'm gonna work my 253 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: damnedest to not mess up this child like dad. Like 254 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: just to go into any situation be like you know 255 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: what I've got it. I don't know what it's like. 256 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: I haven't been there. I have no experience with the matter, 257 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: but I'm going to be great at it. It's a 258 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 3: wild statement. 259 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 2: My alert went off. It was like Ben Higgins is disturbed. 260 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 5: Ben Higgins is disturbed when he said that, because I 261 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 5: was like, way to self describe and then like somehow 262 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 5: see into the future and then also think incredibly highly 263 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 5: of yourself and then say that you think incredibly highly 264 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 5: of yourself. 265 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 3: It is the that right there was like, hey man, 266 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: I don't have any doubt. I don't want to tell 267 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: You're not gonna be like I don't have that ability 268 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: nor desire to tell you. But to be so confident 269 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 3: in something so difficult and unexpected. 270 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: He's like a walking resume. Honestly, Yes, he's trying to 271 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: pitch himself in this like certain light, thinking that's what 272 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 4: you know. Kat wants to hear. Everyone wants to hear. 273 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: But it's like, you got to make that connection, and 274 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: I think there's a disconnect. 275 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I help needy kids, I want to be a 276 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: great dad, I'm empathetic, I have great family. Like it's 277 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: like it is it's a walking resume that anytime anybody 278 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: does that, it makes me just take a step back 279 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: and be like Hey, maybe maybe some humility is necessary 280 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: in this moment. Also, on top of that, when you 281 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: are we'll say like it is when you are lying 282 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: to the person that you're most intimate with on the 283 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: show currently, which if he did right, we can all 284 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: agree he lied. He said I never said that. Yeah, 285 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: we have him on camera saying it, so I think, 286 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: you know, even it's a little white lie and things 287 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 3: got weird. I'm not blaming him for trying to get 288 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: out of the situation in the best ways possible. I 289 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: just would say it might be a time to check yourself. 290 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: So maybe ask yourself self, reflect, go internal and say, 291 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: maybe I need to understand that I am not who 292 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: I claim to say I am at every second. 293 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the way that he describes who he wants 294 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: to be with sounds to me like he just wants 295 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: somebody to obey him. 296 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to go so well in America. Yeah, obeying. Hey, Jessica, 297 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: listen to me. Watch what happens. 298 00:15:51,400 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: There's a lot to say already. So then let's talk 299 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: before we go further into them, because they do come 300 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: about again later in the episode, Leah and Jonathan. Leah 301 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: comes in, She comes in, did she come in with Faith, yeah, 302 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: or did she come up with Nancy last week? She 303 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: came in with Nancy last week. Yeah, but she has 304 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: the date card for He's just still give out. 305 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 4: Yo. 306 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: Jonathan and Leah have absolutely no chemistry. He does not 307 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: like her. Are we all in agreeance for this? Yeah? 308 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 4: I was giving friend zone. 309 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: The most friend zone. He kept spitting out his freaking 310 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: coconut if he had a true coconut in his mouth, 311 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: which is fine, like just like go like this. I 312 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: don't know, it's like use your finger for a second. 313 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: The spit constantly was like also screaming friend zone. I'm 314 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: not trying to be like sexy and turn you on 315 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: right now. And then oh, there were just some awkward 316 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: moments where like she was over laughing and then he 317 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: would look at her like, oh god, you're really over laughing. 318 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: It wasn't that funny. They do not have it. I 319 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: do think that Jonathan is still trying to play for 320 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: Kat's a Rose or like for that kind of relationship 321 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: right now, but it is like not gonna be Leah. 322 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 3: Well, that's my question to both of you is if 323 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: he's not into her, what is he into Because he 324 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: has been friend zoned throughout this whole entire season, and 325 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: since he got friend zoned during his time on The Bachelorette. 326 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: Is he picky or is this just his vibe and 327 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 3: he doesn't know how to flirt? What are you guys reading. 328 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: I think it's the vibe. The vibes are off. 329 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: His vibe is off. Yeah, I think that he's super charming. 330 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: Just let's be clear, Ashley has always. 331 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: Been like I've always been like, he's so cute. 332 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like she's coming at this trying to protect 333 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: what she has said and stated, I'm with you. 334 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 4: I get it. 335 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: I've met him. I think he's a nice guy. I 336 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 3: think he's agreed. I have nothing wrong with the guy. 337 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: But I think his vibe is, Hey, I'm here to 338 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: be like a friend, and I don't know how to 339 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: initiate a flirtation towards anybody because I'm way more comfortable 340 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 3: just being liked by everyone in like this friendly type way. 341 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: Interesting. 342 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: I feel like that can happen too, Like a lot 343 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 4: of times you want to go in and be friends 344 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: with everyone in the group and be supportive, you know, 345 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: and people are going through the things and their connections, 346 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: but at the same time, it's like, are you there 347 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 4: to find love or are you just there for vacation 348 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 4: and to hang out with your friends. 349 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: Well, my inside sources say that he is an absolutely 350 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: no way ready to have a relationship. So maybe it 351 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: was just his way of not getting in trouble. 352 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: Maybe, Ashulely, can you elaborate on that, please, There's not 353 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: much else to say. 354 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: I just hear that, like he's definitely not ready to 355 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: settle down. 356 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: Sure, well, when you have a body like that, it's 357 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: gonna be hard to slow things down. We're not feeling 358 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 3: it with the two of them, but we do have 359 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: a date that happens that I am excited about and 360 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: confused by. Gary is the hot commodity on the beaches 361 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: of Paradise right now. The golden women are flocking towards 362 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: this man, even with a margarine in his hand and 363 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: a casadea in his mouth. They're saying, that is the 364 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: man I want, and I get it. He's a nice 365 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 3: guy and he comes in with a big personality. Nancy 366 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: and Gary go on a date. They participate in a ritual. 367 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 3: These people are both people of the Christian faith tradition, 368 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: so they mentioned that this is uncomfortable for them at 369 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: some level. However, they're both willing to try it because 370 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 3: goodness gracious, as you get older in life, why not 371 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: try something it feels like to me? I mean, I 372 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: think that drink was just pretty much like pure chocolate, right? 373 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: Is that like it's the it came from the chocolate plant? Right? 374 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: No? No, it's a different kind of play. Oh, cocow 375 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: like the cocoa what I like to think of it, 376 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: Like that's the chocolate being Yeah, yeah, that's. 377 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 3: A raw chocolate. And yet they're acting like they just 378 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: took ayahuasca, Like they just simply went in and took 379 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: like the sam Pedro ayahuasca. We're tripping our balls off, 380 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: having the best time ever. I'm confused. Did they really 381 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: take it edible? Did they do something extracurricular here? How 382 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 3: is chocolate in a drinking form? Am I missing something? 383 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: You are missing something? 384 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 5: The line where the woman says that they can't have 385 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 5: penetration here, what does that mean? 386 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: Like? 387 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: I know what that means? 388 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 5: Is this like something that often is a desire when 389 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 5: people take cocow? 390 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: Does anybody know that? Y? Do you have any background 391 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: or like scientific evidence that like chocolate in its rawest 392 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: form made into a drink all of a sudden makes 393 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: us so excited for each other that we are tempted 394 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 3: to have sexual relations on camera in front of millions 395 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: of people at sixty plus years old. 396 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 4: It honestly should go on the list as an aphrodisiac. 397 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: I've never heard of it. 398 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: Never, No me neither, like you always hear about oysters, right, 399 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: But anyway, they're tripping guys and then they come back 400 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: and of course there's some very trippy thing happening. It's 401 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: a compatibility, a chemistry test. It's a compatibility a chemistry 402 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: test where we all dress up like sexy birds. It 403 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: is a little weirdly erotic in like a demented you know, 404 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: weird dark sort of what's the Tom Cruise movie. 405 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: There's movies that have play this. 406 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do I shut? I do I shot? Yeah? 407 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: I think so. It is interesting. My takeaways here is 408 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: that it made Jill feel very very bad because her 409 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: guy Sean seems more into April and Ali Aliisha. Do 410 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: we say Alisha or is it al just Alicia? 411 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 3: Right? 412 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: Are some people saying it weird? 413 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: Probably? 414 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Alisha. She walks in in the midst of this, 415 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: and he's all into that too. Dale's all into Alicia 416 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: and Jill is just like Wow, I couldn't be more 417 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: friend zone here. Nobody wants to like pick my feathers, 418 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: so she decides to leave, and it's actually a really emotional, 419 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: really relatable moment to a lot of girls out there. 420 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure it spoke to my twenty something soul. 421 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: They gave her a lot of They gave her a 422 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: lot of screen time for this. Yeah, and I think 423 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: it was beautiful. Ji's great. I will agree with you. 424 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: This bird dancing thing was like funny but like very sensual. Yeah, 425 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: are we the only two that are like feeling this 426 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: way almost. 427 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: Dark like twisty sexual too? Yeah, like people are putting 428 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: on like a facade. They felt like they could like 429 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: do a little bit more, Like Andrew. 430 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 4: Was there with like giving black Swan Like it really was. 431 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 4: Everyone was kind of playing into being birds and it 432 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 4: was kind of nice to see like everyone was kind 433 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 4: of letting loose and having run together. 434 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: It was a great date. It's so much better than 435 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 3: the five like sinces dates that we've had so far 436 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 3: this season. To mix it up and make people dress 437 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: up and to have a good time together. There there 438 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 3: really wasn't like a standout performance. There was definitely couples 439 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: that felt like to me connected the most during it. 440 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 3: I was surprised the winners because I did feel like 441 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: Alex and Andrew, if you're looking for the most compatibility, 442 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: it seemed like they really stood out above everybody else. 443 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: To this point, I really want them to do well together. 444 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: Do you know what was a red flag to me? 445 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: I think this was in the last episode and not 446 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: this episode. 447 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 4: Was it? 448 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: I get all mixed up when I watched them the 449 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: same day. So she said something along the lines of like, 450 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: I go to bed every night and I can't wait 451 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: to wake up in the morning. 452 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: To see you last episode. 453 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: Okay, and then he kind of made a face when 454 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: he was in an interview like like holy shit, that 455 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 2: was intense, and not like holy shit, this is so 456 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: cute and exciting. It was more of like, eh, I'm 457 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: not there yet. 458 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: Rachel explains it to me she was co hosting last 459 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 3: week's episode. She knows Andrew, and that's just who he is, 460 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: that he is like into a but hesitant. It's kind 461 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: of his demeanor towards any girl. What's he just doesn't 462 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 3: dive in head first. It does feel like Alex and 463 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 3: Andrew have a very strong thing going, but Brian and 464 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: Parisa win the date, then something happens. It feels like 465 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: this is one of those moments where we're not getting 466 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: the whole story. 467 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I think I know what's going on. You tell 468 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: me your theory first. 469 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: I have no theory. I just said I don't know 470 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 3: what's going on. 471 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's your theory? Actually? 472 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Oh, my theory is that he was getting very tired 473 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: of production being around and he wanted to have a 474 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: conversation off camera. And he was like, Oh, when we 475 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: go to the room, it'll be like us time. And 476 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: then when they were like no, no, we're going to keep 477 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: the cameras here for the pool time and then like 478 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 2: you guys will get the bedroom time by yourself. And 479 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: I think when he found that out, he was like, 480 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 2: I do not want to have a conversation. I want 481 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: to actually talk about things that were not comfortable talking 482 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: about on camera. I yeah, I just think that he 483 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: was annoyed. I think he was annoyed at the production 484 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: at that moment, because that's why she like, what's your 485 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: favorite color? Because they were like, you know, chat a 486 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: little big get to know each other a little bit more, 487 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: and then he was like, holy shit, we already talked 488 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: about this. 489 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: I think he did a really poor job of handling 490 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: the situation. 491 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: Well, me too. This is not to excuse him at all. 492 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 2: He has made me nervous since day one. There's something 493 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: about him that makes me uncomfortable. He seems he could 494 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: be like quite grouchy, and this further made me feel 495 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: uncomfortable with him. 496 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. 497 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 4: I just felt for Parsa like it just came off rude. Yeah, 498 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: And when you're trying to establish a connection with someone, 499 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: you can't go about it in that way, even if 500 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 4: you are annoyed, Like everyone's annoyed, right, there's cameras, you're 501 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: it's it's uncomfortable, and you're just trying to get to 502 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: know people. So I don't think her questions were misplaced, 503 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 4: even if it's a question of what's your favorite color. 504 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 3: I'm with you. I a counter person agree. I think 505 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: you signed up for a television show. If you got 506 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: five minutes off camera, that is a gift when it 507 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 3: comes to your agreement to be on a television show. 508 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: So the fact that you have one on one time 509 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: with your girl in a pool and that they're saying 510 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: later on, when you guys close that door, we're not 511 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: going to come in there and follow you. You got 512 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 3: to give it what you got in those moments to 513 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 3: be supportive of the situation because you're not promised anything 514 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: when it comes to this show. We all know that 515 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 3: you don't have a loane time. This is a rare 516 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: gift to expect it is crazy. 517 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'm just coming up with theories here, and I 518 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: also want to agree with you guys that if that 519 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: was indeed the situation, that he did not handle it 520 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 2: well at all. He and Jeremy I got red fox 521 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: with them sometimes. 522 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 3: Really why Jeremy, Well we do should we lead into 523 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: the Jeremy thing or is that later in the episode? 524 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: No, it actually is right there right now. 525 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: I mean, why does Jeremy give you a red fla Ashley? 526 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: Is it because he's talking about other girls when he's 527 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: with us with another girl and she doesn't know that 528 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: he's talking about other girls? Is that why you're nervous? 529 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? He and Bailey seems so strong right like we 530 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: would put them like top tier of compatibility in chemistry 531 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: right now, But apparently it's like all an act to 532 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: him because he and Brian in their room. He says, 533 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: like I mentioned earlier in the podcast, I want to 534 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: say something, but I don't want to talk with the 535 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: mic gun. I don't want to win with Bailey because 536 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: of Susie. Was this the bird compatibility test? Or is 537 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: this just like in general doesn't want to leave with 538 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: with her in general? Yeah? I thought so, okay, okay, 539 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: So in general I don't want to win with Bailey 540 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: because of Susie. She's a great girl, but I efed 541 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: up not giving Susie the rose. And then Jeremy tells 542 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: Brian that he called Susie in the interview room, and 543 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: he says that if Susie were to come back, he 544 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: would give her a rose. And he also Joe that 545 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: he would. 546 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: Propose her goodness and Susie would say no. Just to 547 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: be clear. 548 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: And then in the other room, Alex and Bailey are 549 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: talking and Bailey says she's ready to get engaged. She 550 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: feels a really strong connection. And then she said that 551 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: she feels love for Jeremy, and it's like, oh my god. 552 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: They're on complete opposite ends of where they stand. 553 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 3: Is Jeremy batting out of his league here? Just with Bailey, 554 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: like completely, no matter what. 555 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: Taj want, I'll let you do. 556 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 557 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm just like we all agree once that 558 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 3: Bailey is a catch here. 559 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 4: She is a serious catch. So but but also everyone 560 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 4: is a catch, right, So like everyone comes in, Susie 561 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: comes in, there's Bailey, and it's like, who do you 562 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 4: go with? I think everyone's a catch. But Jeremy is 563 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: saying one thing to Bailey and then saying another thing. 564 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 4: So I think she also thinks that they're peachy Keene 565 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 4: and everything's fine and doesn't seem like they are. 566 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: Would you be fired up? Okay, let's just play the 567 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 3: scenario out that those two are still together to this day, 568 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 3: they make it to the end. You're watching the season back. 569 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: If you're Bailey, are you upset? 570 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 4: Oh? Oh I'm fuming? 571 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? I would think so. 572 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: If they're together right now and he didn't warn her 573 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: about this, which he may not have because it's on 574 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: like the room camera and he thought. 575 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 4: He was, you know, holding his mic to his chest, 576 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 4: thought it was gonna be lost footage. 577 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, what a fun episode to watch together on vacation. 578 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: Be awesome. It'd be so fun to be a part 579 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: of that. I mean Bailey. Here's the thing. Bailey is 580 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: on her own if an insanely desirable person on the 581 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 3: beach to so many people, she has locked herself up 582 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: with a guy who thinks who she thinks is totally 583 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: committed to her, and he cannot get Susie's name out 584 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: of his mouth at any point. It has been confusing 585 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 3: to us from the very beginning that he has not 586 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: told Bailey that, yeah, he called Susie and that he 587 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 3: still had somewhat of a feeling for her. It is 588 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: odd to me and this and this is where you 589 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: two need to come in and help me. I've always 590 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 3: said in Paradise you should date around. It's what it's for. 591 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: Be careful settling down too quickly, but at some point 592 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: you'll want to because if it's the right person, it 593 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: makes sense. Why has he not told her? Does it 594 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: feel like he would lose everything he's built to this point? 595 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 3: Is he trying to win? What is the motivation to 596 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 3: not letting Bailey know that he has still had he 597 00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: still has feelings for. 598 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 4: He wants to eat his cake and have it too perfectly. 599 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 4: But yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense. 600 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants to stick around he wants to get airtime, 601 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: he wants to see who else walks in, and he 602 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: wants to be certain then he'll get a rose every 603 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 2: time there's a ceremony where the girls how the roses? 604 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: Is this a common like trait of people in Paradise? Like, 605 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: do you see this path often? 606 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 4: Super common? 607 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 608 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 4: I think because the person that you were hoping was 609 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 4: going to be there might show up next week exactly, 610 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 4: and you want to be there next week to meet them, 611 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 4: so you kind of have to tread lightly. 612 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: Was I talking to Jade you guys on the podcast 613 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: and I'll just tell you really briefly. You can listen 614 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: to the podcast episode. But she was saying that it 615 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: would be smart if they were to mix it up, 616 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: if they were looking to it for a way to 617 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: mix up Paradise. You put all of them in at once, 618 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 2: and then there's no like entrances because that way, you're like, 619 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: if the person's not there, they're not there. 620 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 3: When you have a forty extra rooms at a resort 621 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 3: wide open with air conditioning, you have the ability to 622 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 3: put everybody in there at once. Why not? 623 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: Sure? That's different. 624 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: That makes it different, makes it a lot different. Hey, 625 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 3: as we kind of wrap up this episode, obviously we 626 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: have the dal kat Alisha like scenario happening. We've talked 627 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 3: about a little bit on what we feel about Dale's 628 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: behavior so far. I just I think we all agree 629 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: right that honesty would be his best pathway forward is 630 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 3: to be honest with everybody instead of saying to one person, hey, 631 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: we're good, we're committed, but you know right away going 632 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 3: to the prettiest girl that just comes into the beach 633 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: and saying, hey, I'm also not that committed and I'd 634 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: love to be into you. Where does this spit him out? 635 00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 5: Oh? 636 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: Wait? He says to her, Hey, I want to go 637 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: on the date with you. He like literally looked at her, 638 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 2: I want to go on the date with you, and 639 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: then denies it tokat. And then he also said to 640 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: the guys, I really want to go on a date 641 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: with Kat and I really want to go on a 642 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: date to watch Cat's Sweat, And we get this confirmed 643 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 2: in the flashback footage and it's just like the greatest 644 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 2: TV Like, I love it. And then the fact that 645 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: like Jeremy was trying to make it seem like Jonathan's 646 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 2: being a liar title tale in that moment and not 647 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 2: saying like, yeah, well dude, you did say that he 648 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: was defending down, trying to cover up his ass, and 649 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 2: we all know that Jeremy may not be wanted to 650 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: be trusted. 651 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 4: Is this Dale's first time in paradise? 652 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 653 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 4: It shows Yeah, watch. 654 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 3: What do you mean by that? Though? 655 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 4: Oh he's going around. He's like, you know, there's someone 656 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 4: new coming down on the beach, and hey, I. 657 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: Go on a date with you. 658 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 6: But then is it he's denying it on the other end, 659 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 6: Just say you want to go on the date, say 660 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 6: it loud, say it proud, and then go enjoy your 661 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 6: date and come back and mingle. 662 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. It's paradise, Like, why have we 663 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 3: gotten so committed so early? But I'm only saying that 664 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 3: he is loyal to one because he's saying he's lid 665 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 3: to one. If your words tell somebody, hey, I'm into 666 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 3: this and we've turned a corner and we've got it 667 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 3: and it's I'm debting it or whatever that word was 668 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 3: that he used. 669 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so cringe and so gross all 670 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: the things that he says. Oh, he said, I want 671 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: my woman to be on ten toes like my my 672 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 2: family the women and my family are on ten toes. 673 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, what is that like? 674 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 4: Standing tin toes down on business on business? 675 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, standing standing, still standing strong. Okay, Well, I don't know. 676 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: He's just like so critical of Kat already that I'm 677 00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 2: just like gross. 678 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 3: But Alicia makes an amazing decision. She sees all this 679 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: playing out, and we don't get to see all the 680 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 3: conversations that had. But we have to give Alicia credit here. 681 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 3: She doesn't choose to ask Dale on this date because 682 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 3: it seems of a conversation she had with Kat that 683 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 3: made her go, hey, I'm going to not step on 684 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 3: the toes of Kat here. Even though I might want to, 685 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 3: I fully want to, I'm not going to do it. 686 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 3: It does. I have to give her credit for the 687 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 3: decision she made to bring Sean on this date. And 688 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: this date does turn sensual fast. It feels like the 689 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: two of them are drinking kakau leaves or whatever it was. 690 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: There was a lot of tongue action in those kisses. 691 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 3: They liked each other, they're into each other. 692 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 2: Well, so we thought, until he comes back, sorry my alarm, 693 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: So we thought until she comes back from the date, 694 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 2: and she's like, well, actually, like Dale's still number one. 695 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 4: She entered on a classy note, Like anyone in that position, 696 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 4: you don't want to up all too many feathers pun 697 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 4: intended right like. I think she made the right move. 698 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: I think so too, But I think there's a lot 699 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: of story to be told, a lot. 700 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 3: To come, a lot to come. For the preview of 701 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 3: the rest of the season, we don't see a rose 702 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 3: ceremony this episode. We kind of get the build up 703 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 3: to the rose ceremony. It does to my shock to 704 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 3: everybody listening. It is my shock that no other Golden 705 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 3: dudes came to the beach. It has to be a 706 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 3: casting issue. If they had one dude sitting in that 707 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 3: resort waiting for his turn, they would have sent him 708 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 3: to the beach this week. They didn't. I don't think 709 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 3: we see any other Golden men come to the beach 710 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 3: for the rest of the season. I think after this 711 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 3: week we get the whole money thing happening, and no 712 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 3: new or later rivals happen. We have our lockdown cast. 713 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 3: If we gave our predictions, take a few minutes based 714 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 3: on the previews, we saw, the couples that exist, the 715 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: scenarios that are happening. I want you to name your 716 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 3: top three couples that you think could make it to 717 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 3: the end of the season from what you know right now. 718 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 3: Golden and Youngin's. 719 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 4: Including this is tough man, I don't know. 720 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 3: I asked it. 721 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 4: I feel like Jess and Spenser will make it to 722 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 4: the end. Will but I think they will. I think 723 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 4: that Paradise is all about testing that connection, and I 724 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 4: think their connection is strong and it seems like they 725 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 4: can make it to the end. I think Gary will 726 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 4: be there. I just can't tell who he's going to 727 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 4: be there with. 728 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 3: Leslie is my guess. 729 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 4: Okay, Leslie, He's still on to her. And then I 730 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 4: would say third couple. It's up in the air for 731 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 4: me at this point. Like what we'll see who comes in, 732 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 4: you know, over the next few weeks. But there might 733 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 4: be a couple that we haven't seen yet. 734 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody new comes in. 735 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 2: I don't do you think we're done with entrances. I 736 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: think you might be right, because it seems as if 737 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 2: it's shifting from like the are you finding people to 738 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: now we're going into the competitive zone and we're going 739 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 2: to test those relationships. 740 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 3: I don't know there's any new people That's why I 741 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 3: think this money thing completely changes Paradise. 742 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 4: That would make sense because I feel like this is 743 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 4: a really big pieces. This has never been done. 744 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it has to be Andrew and Alex. I 745 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 3: mean I think, yeah, if we had to pick a 746 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 3: third couple there, I think we'd all agree Andrew and 747 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 3: Alex would be there. So right now we have Spencer 748 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 3: and Jesse, Gary and Leslie or somebody, Nancy somebody else, 749 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 3: and then we have Andrew and Alex, which this next week, 750 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 3: my prediction is Nancy. Nancy doesn't go home. 751 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 2: Nancy can't go home. Everybody wants Nancy. 752 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Faith, April and the Natasha. 753 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 4: Natasha, Yeah, I think those. 754 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 3: Three go home, leaving us with the Golden Cast. And 755 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 3: then when it comes to women, Jill's already left. Who 756 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 3: would who else would go? 757 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: Who else would go? 758 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 4: Well? 759 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 2: Alla say is like with Kathy, Oh, Kathy might go 760 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 2: home because Keith might want to give his roast to 761 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 2: Nancy because obviously he really wanted that. Now I understand 762 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 2: that Nancy and Kathy are such good friends that Nancy 763 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,959 Speaker 2: didn't want to go there. As far as the Youngins, though, 764 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 2: I think, like did Jill, it's gonna be between Kat 765 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: since since Jill left, is gonna be between Cat and 766 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: Alicia on who leaves? 767 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 3: I think so yeah, Well, I mean, but who's Sean 768 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 3: giving it to? 769 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 5: Go? 770 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, Sean is probably gonna give his rose to Alisha? 771 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 2: Are we even out? Are we getting even out? Oh? Leah, Leah? 772 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 2: But then she. 773 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 3: Has no connection? Maybe Jonathan, but. 774 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 2: Like, oh but Jonathan has the rose? 775 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:03,439 Speaker 4: Right? 776 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 777 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 4: So yeah, Now I think Leo will probably exit stage left. 778 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Leea's out. It's going to be an 779 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 3: interesting ending to this season. Still a lot to be scene. 780 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 3: We're into it now, Let's be clear. Even though I'm 781 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 3: not like completely down with the edits and the transformation 782 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 3: of Paradise, I am enjoying watching it, and I can't 783 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 3: always say that for uh Paradise. I'm enjoying watching it. 784 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 3: I'm enjoying watching the dynamics form out. I wish there 785 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 3: was more Golden men. I want to see the Goldens 786 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 3: stick around for the competitions, whatever they may be. They 787 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 3: can't be physically, like too physical, because you're asking. I mean, 788 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 3: kim bal had a heart attack just thinking about the 789 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 3: rose ceremony. Like goodness, gracious, Like we got to keep 790 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 3: these people in order. 791 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 2: Oh, you know what I really wanted. I wanted one 792 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 2: of the really hot guys to be there for the Goldens. 793 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 2: You know, like, let's be honest, these are all sweet guys, 794 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 2: but we wanted a hot one who Kelsey's dad or Jonathan. 795 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 3: Kelsey's dad's in relationships launched. 796 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 2: No Jonathan's on a relationship anymore. 797 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that was part of the problem and why 798 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 4: we're so limited with the Goldens. 799 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've rooted for these guys to find love and 800 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 3: they found it and they were. 801 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 2: Like come on, yeah, come on, you had to wait 802 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 2: to have the paradise before we leave. My final thought is, 803 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 2: if you guys remember when Jeremy was confiding in Brian 804 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 2: with the mic SCENEA blah blah. Brian was like gun 805 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 2: ho on revealing this news to Bailey, He was like, 806 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 2: I don't feel right keeping this, And then in the teaser, 807 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: Brian says he could turn Paradise upside down. Could it 808 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 2: be that he's hinting at the conversation with Jeremy Because 809 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 2: Jeremy and Bailey are getting further and further in and 810 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 2: with the money prize, Jeremy is trying to make that 811 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 2: relationship go other than he would have ever intended. 812 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah, Brian is gonna mess 813 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 4: everything up for those two. 814 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, it would be even further interesting if they 815 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 2: truly are in on vacation together right now. 816 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's an interesting thing that just happened in Bachelor Nation. No, 817 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 3: Sam McKinney just posted a picture of him holding Ali 818 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 3: Joe from this season of Paradise closely at dinner and 819 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 3: sharing a bunch of picture of them kissing. It looks like. 820 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 2: They've hard launched. 821 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 3: They are hard launching a relationship. 822 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 2: Look at that. 823 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 4: We love a hard launch. 824 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 3: We love a hard lunch from Bachelor Nation. 825 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 2: Oh, the caption says, sometimes you got to do it 826 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 2: your damn self. 827 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, good for him, it's Tajwan. Thank you for coming on. 828 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 3: We appreciate you again. Make sure you go to the 829 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 3: Instagram page if you are somebody looking for any type 830 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 3: of housing needs in the Denver area. You are a 831 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise legend. As much as I would love 832 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 3: to say I wish you were there, I don't think 833 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 3: it's the same with you. In air conditioning, I love 834 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 3: the heat, you love a meltdown, We love a meult. 835 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 2: Down, a smelt. 836 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 3: It keeps us going here. It's how we've kept a 837 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 3: job for ten years. This has been the almost this podcast. 838 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 3: This has been day nine of Paradise meeting. Some of 839 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 3: these couples have been dating for a week, which is awesome, 840 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 3: really really great. We'll be back next episode breaking it 841 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 3: all down. In between then we are heading out to 842 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 3: an almost famous event starting tomorrow morning. Ashley is holding 843 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 3: the bench down and I will be talking to a 844 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,439 Speaker 3: few of your favorite bench down. No, you'll be sitting 845 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 3: on the bench doing nothing. You were you were absolutely 846 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 3: worthless right now. I will be flying uh to make 847 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 3: sure this happens. Uh. So stay tuned for all the 848 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 3: great content coming your way. Until next time, I've been Ben. 849 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 2: I've been Ashley, and She's been Tjan. 850 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 851 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.