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Speaker 1: Dude. Like the first thing I thought when they said

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Speaker 1: All John Shire has done a former player, which is

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Speaker 1: also an extra level of pressure to this is step

429
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Speaker 1: in and seamlessly put Duke back where Duke needs to be.

430
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Speaker 1: And then you've got Cooper Flagg, who isn't Christian Latner,

431
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: Like he isn't one of those yep, just adam to

432
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Speaker 1: the list of white guys that Duke have the people, hey, Like,

433
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Speaker 1: it's just not Cooper Flagg. So I have a hard

434
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Speaker 1: time finding this particular Duke team. Not Duke basketball overall, easy,

435
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Speaker 1: easy to ride Duke basketball, but this particular version of

436
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Speaker 1: Duke basketball, I don't know. It seems there's an actual

437
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Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm saying this, j Mart. There's a

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Speaker 1: likability to this version of Duke basketball. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And look, I grew up on Tobacco Road. I'm forty six,

440
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: So I mean I went to school in the nineties,

441
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 2: graduated in ninety seven. You know, went to the ACC

442
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: Tournament Classic in ninety five with Tim Duncan and that

443
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: Wake Forest team beating North Carolina. So I'm like, I'm

444
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 2: ACC born and bred, old school ACC and so I

445
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 2: know what Duke ate looks like. I also know that

446
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Speaker 2: after they won the national championship in ninety one and

447
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: in ninety two, sorry to bring back the semi final

448
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 2: loss that then led to a final that was nowhere

449
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Speaker 2: near as interesting our class the next day in I

450
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Speaker 2: guess it would have been middle school and then into

451
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Speaker 2: high school. They actually brought TVs into our classroom instead

452
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Speaker 2: of teaching that day. We rewatched that because it mattered

453
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: that much because Duke basketball was just on the come

454
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Speaker 2: up at that point. They had gotten drugged. Remember that

455
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: fits like, yeah, your guys lost at ninety one, but

456
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Speaker 2: in ninety it was an embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: One of the yeah I mean was seventy three.

458
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Speaker 2: Oh, it was just a schalalacking of the highest order,

459
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: and so they came back and won it. So there

460
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: was all kinds of storylines there. But yeah, like through

461
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: the years, Duke became the evil Empire. They became the

462
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: Yankees at the end of the at the turn of

463
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Speaker 2: the century, they became to me, honestly what the Golden

464
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: State Warriors sort of became, but they certainly became what

465
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Speaker 2: the Patriots were, and they had that aura about them.

466
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Speaker 2: I think now it's just kind of all right, so

467
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: how long is that gonna last? Is always going to

468
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: be there just because Duke is always going to be good.

469
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 2: I mean, they brought in a general manager who knows

470
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Speaker 2: what he's doing when it comes to or knows what

471
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Speaker 2: she's doing. I think when it comes to bringing in

472
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Speaker 2: the right talent, making sure that you are on the

473
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Speaker 2: cusp of where college sports is headed and not being

474
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Speaker 2: left behind, which is what's happened at North Carolina. And

475
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Speaker 2: so they're gonna have to get on that train pretty quickly,

476
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Speaker 2: whether they want to or not. But when you look

477
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Speaker 2: at Flag and guys like that, like they just look

478
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Speaker 2: like they're really good basketball players, they don't have like

479
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: the thing I think, the one thing that Cooper Flagg

480
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: just doesn't have that all of the aforementioned dudes did.

481
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Speaker 2: He does not have the wine jen, He does not

482
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: have the complain gene. He just goes out there in

483
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 2: balls he doesn't have. He also doesn't have the annoying

484
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Speaker 2: The most annoying duke player of all time to me

485
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: is Steve Wozahowski. And the reason why FITZI is because

486
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: he slapped the court every time down when they would

487
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: get over the timeline, he would stop, go down with

488
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: both hands and slap the ground on defense and I

489
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: was just like, dude, you are insufferable, Like you make

490
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: me want to drop kick something into the sun, Like

491
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Speaker 2: it's just outrageous. Cooper Flag gonna do any of that,

492
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Speaker 2: like there's nothing about him to dislike. And look, honestly,

493
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: that was true a handful of years ago when Zion

494
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: and that team were there. Like Zion at that point

495
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: is kind of infectious. You didn't really hate on him.

496
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Speaker 2: You kind of wanted to see him get beat just

497
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: because they were so good. But it wasn't a like

498
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: a ability issues. So Duke's had a couple of these teams,

499
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: but boy, college basketball could certainly use them being more

500
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: villainous right now. But I think it's just the jersey

501
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 2: itself should be enough for most of America to still

502
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: probably root against them, but maybe in the back of

503
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: their heads they're doing it against their will.

504
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Speaker 1: And you're right, he's Jason Martin, I'm Jason fitz It's

505
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. The way you say that is really

506
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: well said, because there you can't change generational dislike, you know,

507
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: and that's that's gonna be wired in most of us.

508
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: But it just feels a little different. And I couldn't

509
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Speaker 1: help but even watch last night as I was watching

510
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: SPARTI get the win and think about the fact that,

511
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: my god, there's the ability for tom Izzo to be

512
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: with the team for as long as he's been and

513
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: just become so beloved, is I think really special, right,

514
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: Like we mentioned Hurley, and I think Hurley. The lack

515
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: of Dan Hurley in this tournament, it does sort of

516
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: it takes away the ability to galvanize against one player

517
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: or one coach or one story. And you know, frankly,

518
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: as guys like Izzo or the opposite, it's easy to

519
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: galvanize everybody together and root for him. You know, when

520
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: you've got Iszo sitting at the podium and talking about

521
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: the transfer portal and how he doesn't care and he's

522
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna worry about the team that he's got and people

523
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: that are loyal to him. Like these messages just seem

524
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: to resonate with people. And I can't help but look

525
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: across the board and think that a lot of these

526
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: guys are just easy. You watch them on the sideline.

527
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: It's the coaches that are left. The players are the left.

528
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to find that easy story to go against.

529
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: And so many of these players, as you mentioned in

530
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: the in the beginning of this, have risen from a

531
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: mid major process to where they are now. Like that's

532
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: for me, that's wildly easy to root for too, Like

533
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Speaker 1: I love it when kids get paid. I love it

534
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: when kids get the opportunity to live their dream at

535
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Speaker 1: a higher level. I love it when kids get the

536
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to go out and shine in the tournament. Right.

537
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: And some of these guys that you know might be

538
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: playing at a school like lipscumb one year could be

539
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: the next year if they have a good game, just

540
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: a good game in the tournament, even in a loss,

541
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: because suddenly a year later find themselves playing for a

542
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: school like Maryland and have a much different platform and process.

543
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: So like the amount of things that are easy to

544
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: root for, like I think, I can't stress this enough.

545
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: This is all beautiful and amazing and great for the

546
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: sport and part of what I love. I just we

547
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: cannot deny a simple fact that the best Batman movies

548
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: are not defined by who played Batman. They're defined by

549
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: who played the villain. And that's just that's true in sports.

550
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: We want the best villains because it gives whether you're

551
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: rooting for the heel or you're rooting against the heel.

552
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: Either way, the heel is what keeps bringing you in

553
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. You can't have a

554
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: hall Coguin unless hal Cogan has somebody he's taken down.

555
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: And that's that's part of what this tournament doesn't. It

556
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: has beautiful basketball and great stories to root for. I

557
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 1: just don't know that right now we're as fired up

558
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: in some ways because there isn't an Andre the Giant

559
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: that everybody wants to see. You know, body slammed.

560
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I mean you're speaking my language. Obviously. I

561
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: worked in per wrestling for ten years and wrote about

562
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: it for far longer than that, and I've said many

563
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: times that there's a reason why the heel has the

564
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: champion has the championship seventy five to eighty percent of

565
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: a calendar year throughout much of history. Right now we're

566
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: kind of in a different landscape because of television and

567
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: because of how things are done, But generally it's because

568
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: what you really want is to watch Stone Colt Steve

569
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: Austin go after the championship. That's what you're paying to see.

570
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: You're paying for the chase. Once he gets there. You

571
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: don't really want to pay to see him hold it

572
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: for five years. You want to see him get knocked

573
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: back down in an unfair way so that then he

574
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: can begin that chase again and you can get behind

575
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: him and feel like, when Steve Austin wins that title,

576
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: you won it with him because you were with him

577
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: every step of the way. You overcame all of that stuff.

578
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: You saw all the underhanded tactics and all the things

579
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: that they tried to do, and you guys overcame it together.

580
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: That's the exact same thing that you're laying out here.

581
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: I do think that we're I think we're watching this

582
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: tournament more unless you have a dog in a fight.

583
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: Like my wife is a giant Tennessee fan, so obviously

584
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: she has a little bit more passion directly for this

585
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: than do I at this stage of the tournament. But

586
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: I think we're all watching this with more curiosity than

587
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: we are some kind of defined rooting interest. We're curious

588
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: because the level of basketball time. We want to see

589
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: how this shakes out. But I don't know that we are,

590
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: just like I can't tell you overwhelmingly at this stage

591
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: who I would like to see win it, Like Rick

592
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: Barnes is a super nice man, Kelvin Sampson a super

593
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: nice man. You talked about Izzo and we could go

594
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: down the line, and it's true about all of these guys,

595
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: and it's just kind of like, we're gonna find out

596
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: who wins this thing. But I don't think that I'm

597
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: gonna be sad that any one of them does win it,

598
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: whoever ends up getting it in the end.

599
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: You know. I was at the season five for Connecticut basketball,

600
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: the home home finale at Its Stores in Connecticut. I

601
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: was at the game and I watched the introductions and

602
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: they went to the whole team, and the whole team

603
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: it was fine, like the guys that you would think

604
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a pop. It was fine.

605
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: Or the arenas packed right. And then as they were

606
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 1: about to introduce Hurley the letters Yukon that they had

607
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: wheeled out onto the middle center court, the flame started

608
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: firing up from Yukon and there were literally flamethrowers on

609
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: the back of everything. The lights start spinning and the

610
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: announcer introduces Dan Hurley, and I'll save your ears from

611
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: trying to yell the way the announcer yelled. But it

612
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: was the longest, most drawn out, insane introduction I've ever

613
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: seen for a head coach, And I mean it was

614
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: one of those he holds the word Dan for at

615
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: least thirty seconds and screams Hurley and the crowd goes nuts.

616
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: And I kept watching it thinking, man, there's a re

617
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: like the villain of Dan Hurley has become something that

618
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: Connecticut fans love to get behind and the rest of

619
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: the country loves to hate. And as you talk about it,

620
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: it makes me think more and more if anyone's ever

621
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: followed pro wrestling, or you know, even if you don't,

622
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: there's a truth to it. When they wanted Halcogan to

623
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: become hal Cogan, the most important part of it wasn't

624
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: just Hulk. It was making sure that there was a

625
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: villain everybody could get behind that was taken down. And

626
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: by taking down that villain, it absolutely made Halcogan's legacy,

627
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: right like, and that's what they do every time, Like

628
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: there's got to be an iron chic for Hulk to

629
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: take down, right There's got to be. There's a reason

630
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: that Sergeants Slaughter at one point became a bad guy,

631
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: right because it helped bring up the good guys. And

632
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: it's interesting if this exact same outcome was happening throughout

633
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: the tournament, but Dan Hurley and Yukon were still in it,

634
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: there would be so much attention paid to who was

635
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: finally gonna take down Who would humble Hurley would be

636
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: the great conversation everybody would be having, because the villains

637
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: the best villains. Man. When you're in the corner of them,

638
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: you love them like this. Take Connecticut loves every ounce

639
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: of Dan Hurley, and I've been hard on and I

640
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: think rightfully so the way he's acted through the course

641
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: of much of this season, and I've been loud about it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when I meet up with my buddies

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Speaker 1: in Connecticut, they don't appreciate that because that's their guy,

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Speaker 1: you know. And it's just interesting because you go across

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Speaker 1: the board, like I think you're right at Tennessee, people

646
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: are not galvanized about Tennessee basketball the way they would

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Speaker 1: be about Tennessee football, negative or positive. Say Michigan State,

648
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Speaker 1: we go up and down these these these schools. It

649
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Speaker 1: just doesn't have that same push because it's not as

650
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Speaker 1: easy for somebody to say, that's the guy I hate,

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Speaker 1: that's the guy that sucks, that's the guy I want

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Speaker 1: to see lose.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he'll sell tickets and they always will. And

654
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Speaker 2: they also generally are not humble about the way they operate.

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Speaker 2: That's why you dislike them. You usually don't dislike this

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Speaker 2: subtle guy that's in the background of the shot. They're

657
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Speaker 2: usually showman. They usually have a charisma to the something

658
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Speaker 2: that at the same time you dislike, you also kind

659
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Speaker 2: of wish you had a little bit more of in

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Speaker 2: some ways because it's bringing them success and that's what

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Speaker 2: Dan Hurley is and to me, that was the greatest

662
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Speaker 2: thing about college basketball this last couple of years, is

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Speaker 2: him elevating to that role. Yes, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: The antics, the things that you complain about. Those are

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Speaker 2: the things that we would never we would never even

666
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Speaker 2: be able to consciously feel it. But they're good for us.

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Speaker 2: It's good to see that kind of stuff because it

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Speaker 2: gives you something. It gives you this emotional resonance, and

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Speaker 2: it just makes you tune in a little bit closer

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Speaker 2: and put a little bit more of a snarky grin

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Speaker 2: on your face. The one or two times that that

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Speaker 2: guy gets has come up.

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Speaker 1: And it's well said by you. Coming up next to

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Speaker 1: the Fox Sports Saturday Live from the Tyraq dot Com studios,

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Speaker 1: we did get villain versus villain in the NBA, and

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Speaker 1: I think maybe everybody. He's in the wrong. We'll explain

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Speaker 1: what we need. What I mean coming up, he's Jason Martin.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with the other fellas. I'm

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. It's the fellas on a Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: hanging out with Jason Martin. And for Anthony Gargano, want

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Speaker 1: to wish cousin luck is a kid's got a tournament

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Speaker 1: this weekend, so always want that. You know, kids, kids

691
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: and tournaments is a huge part of his life and

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Speaker 1: we're really happy he gets to do that this weekend.

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Speaker 1: So you know, bummer that we don't get to hang out,

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Speaker 1: but MVP status for Jason Martin getting up early, like

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Speaker 1: j Mart's in Nashville, it's particularly early there. The funny

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Speaker 1: thing is that there's a period in both of our

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Speaker 1: lives where I can only imagine that the answer to

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Speaker 1: getting up at three am would just stay up. But

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, I respect that that now. You know,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you start looking at the clock

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Speaker 1: and think, well, you know, should I go to bed

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Speaker 1: at nine BM? The basketball action last night was a

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Speaker 1: blessing end a curse because anyone that fell asleep you

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Speaker 1: missed some incredible endings. But also the action didn't until

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Speaker 1: about one in the morning, which still in an at

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Speaker 1: my core bothers me like, I'm not smart enough to

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Speaker 1: have a solution, but I don't love tournament games in

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Speaker 1: the sweet sixteen ending at one am Eastern time. There's

709
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Speaker 1: got to be a better solution somehow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree with you. I just for the

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Speaker 2: East Coast. I don't know how the kids get to

712
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Speaker 2: see these moments. I know I wouldn't have Dad had

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Speaker 2: me and mom and Dad had me a bed none

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Speaker 2: nine thirty maybe ten on Friday because of TGIF, because

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Speaker 2: I had to see just the ten of us before

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Speaker 2: I went to bed, and then maybe I could talk

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Speaker 2: them into the first segment of twenty twenty but that

718
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: was about it, tournament games ending at like one am

719
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Speaker 2: Eastern time. You're right, I don't know what the fix is,

720
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: but there does need to be feel it feels like

721
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Speaker 2: there needs to be something like we need to respect

722
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Speaker 2: the fact that kids need some kind of boundaries in

723
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Speaker 2: their life, especially the younger children, and the fact that

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Speaker 2: you've probably had ten eleven year olds up watching that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that's the best fits.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you do about it, but those

728
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Speaker 2: games are ending so late, and of course, first world

729
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: problems for me because of that. I'm on like two

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Speaker 2: hours of sleep basically because of that. And my youngest,

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Speaker 2: who turned one a week ago, apparently has multiple teeth

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Speaker 2: coming in. And so yeah, it's rough man. The wife

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Speaker 2: at present, at least the last time I saw her

734
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Speaker 2: was in a recliner with the baby because we just

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Speaker 2: could not actually put her down last night and we

736
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Speaker 2: finally just gave up. So this is what we're rolling

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Speaker 2: with here, So I know, Look, I get it, man,

738
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Speaker 2: that was very, very tough for Purdue to deal with.

739
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I have it worse right now.

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Speaker 1: Hey, man, I don't know teething baby is like that

741
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Speaker 1: seventh layer a hell, like I can't imagine so like

742
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: that that is, and you know, just turning one means

743
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: you're not getting any regular sleep anyway, like it is.

744
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Speaker 1: It is alarming. What we always talk about the beauty

745
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Speaker 1: and I don't I don't have kids. I won't, I

746
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Speaker 1: won't pretend to know what the process is like, but

747
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Speaker 1: we talk about the beauty of it. I also, I

748
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Speaker 1: see it so often in my friends, like the first

749
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Speaker 1: you know, eighteen months. It's just you see the impact

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Speaker 1: it has on everybody trying to figure out how to

751
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Speaker 1: how to live and do right by a kid when

752
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Speaker 1: nobody's getting any normal sleep. It's just it's crazy. Like

753
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: we all know you've got a coworker or whatever that

754
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: gets cranky when they don't get the right sleep. And

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Speaker 1: then you add the development of a child. And I'll

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Speaker 1: go back again to a mutual friend that told me

757
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: years ago, the toughest part about having a kid is

758
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: that you're trying to keep something alive that has no

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: interest in helping you. Like that's just that's that's what

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00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to do is help it thrive, and that

761
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: that child has no interest in helping you with any

762
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 1: of that. It's a battle. And look, I'm not again,

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00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend I'm smart enough. The one thing

764
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Speaker 1: I will say is that I watched it an interview

765
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: years ago or not years ago, months ago with a

766
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: studio executive that works in film, and they were talking

767
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: about a project they turned into Netflix, and Netflix returned

768
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: it to them and said they wanted a different edit

769
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: because it wasn't second screen friendly enough. The movie was

770
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: too complicated, you had to pay too much attention. I

771
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: think we have to understand that right now, especially for

772
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Speaker 1: people that are under the age of let's say thirty,

773
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Speaker 1: you're second screening everything. People are on their phones while

774
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Speaker 1: they're watching TV all the time. I mean, I have

775
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: YouTube TV and they offer me split screen opportunities. I'm

776
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: just surprised that it isn't more beneficial for college basketball

777
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: to stack these games on top of themselves and at

778
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: least like, give me two games at once. I don't

779
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: think that's asked. Just give me two games at once,

780
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: I'll split screen. It used to that I'd rather have

781
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: that than sitting up at one am when everybody's falling asleep,

782
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: trying to keep their eyes open for the last game.

783
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking with you, Like, I mean, now that

784
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: you can do these multi options where you can watch

785
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: three four games at the same time on one service,

786
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: whether it's Max for this tournament for example, or I

787
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: think X Now you can actually do it as well

788
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: during the tournament, I can do it that way. And look,

789
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: if it's my squad plan, then I'll go full screen there.

790
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: But outside of that, I'm cool watching it differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my Sunday rituals. Like the Raiders are always

792
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: on one TV by itself, and then you know, I

793
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: wheel out the other TVs they're all split screen to

794
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: get me some of the things that. Yeah, I mean,

795
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: that's that's we're not going to talk about that, Like

796
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Speaker 1: I mean, now, I'm amazing we haven't gotten into some

797
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: rivalry conversation that see, look at that two adults cooperating

798
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: and getting along with each other. Maybe two villains could

799
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: learn to do the same and stop acting like children.

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Speaker 1: Explain what we need to mean next on Fox Sports Radio.

801
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: Listen to Fox Sports Radio Radio. I'm just stunned sometimes

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Speaker 1: at the amount of attention we're paying to something that

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Speaker 1: just doesn't matter at all, and maybe even talking about

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Speaker 1: it makes me part of the problem. I'll be the

805
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Speaker 1: first to admit it. But at some point, I guess

806
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Speaker 1: my question is a simple one. Why do we care

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Speaker 1: so much about Bronni At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: What difference does Bronni make to most of us? And

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Speaker 1: why is this the thing that seems to have everybody

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Speaker 1: worked up? Somebody somehow make it make sense. It's the

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Speaker 1: Fellas on a Fox Sports Saturday on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with Jason Martin and for

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Speaker 1: Anthony gar Anthony Gargano, I'm gonna learn how to talk

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Speaker 1: worked on Steven A shows. I've been around Steve, I've

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Speaker 1: been on First Take, I've done all these things. There

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Speaker 1: is an element for me that watched over the last

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00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: couple of days with this lebron Stephen, a battle that

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00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: has sort of taken over so much of the way

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00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: we talk about the NBA. A. I laugh at it.

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Speaker 1: B I think it's all kind of stupid. And see,

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the adults to show up, because like,

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Speaker 1: this entire thing blows my mind because so much of

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Speaker 1: it is about Bronnie James. And I guess, at my core,

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Speaker 1: my question to you, my question to everybody, my process

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Speaker 1: on this is a simple one. Like, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, if Bronnie James doesn't belong in the NBA,

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00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: who cares? Through it all? If the Lakers used a

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Speaker 1: second round draft pick on a kid that you know

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Speaker 1: they only drafted because his dad's one of the best

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Speaker 1: players of all time, and you know, one of their

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Speaker 1: most important players currently, their most important player currently, So

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Speaker 1: they wasted a draft pick, who cares? If he's getting

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00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: in the NBA for a couple of minutes a game

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00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: and he's not deserving, who cares? Like, through all of this,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they're sitting here putting his face on

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00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: billboards and trying to build a team around him that's

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00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: gonna suck for the next ten years because they did it,

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Speaker 1: Like the So what they draft somebody that maybe doesn't

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Speaker 1: belong in the league. Why are we losing our minds

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Speaker 1: over this? Why does this become such a polarizing conversation

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Speaker 1: on whether Lebron james Son belongs in the league.

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Speaker 2: I think you just gave the keyword there, polarizing, And

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00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: it's not because Lebrony. It's because of lebron. The reason

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00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: we care is because Lebron James is polarizing, seemingly increasingly

851
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: so as a matter of fact. So everything he does

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00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: then gets put underneath the microscope in a different way.

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Speaker 2: And there is nothing, at least for me, there is

854
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: nothing that gets my eye more than someone taking credit

855
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: for somebody else's work. Like I've even had nightmares, literal

856
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: nightmares about somebody taking credit for somebody else's work, and

857
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: a lot of times it would be mine in that case.

858
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: It's just it's always driven me nuts. It drives me

859
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: nuts in fiction when somebody takes credit for somebody else's work.

860
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: And in some respects, that's how this feels to me,

861
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: because Bronnie didn't deserve it, he didn't earn it yet,

862
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: and I feel like we were robbed at the opportunity

863
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: to see whether or not he ever would have been

864
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: able to do that on his own because he was

865
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: born on third base and he actually was able to

866
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: steal home essentially, and there was never even a throw.

867
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: In fact, there might have even been a ball on

868
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: the field at that point in time for him to

869
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: score that run. And so it just feels, it feels

870
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: so phony and so artificial, and because it's Lebron everything

871
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: is magnified. That, to me, I think is probably why

872
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: we care so much. It is not because we dislike

873
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: Bronnie or anything Bronnie has said or anything Bronnie has done.

874
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: It's because we all have functioning eyes and we know

875
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: he's not supposed to be there yet. And I think

876
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: that's generally where all of this comes from. I can't lie.

877
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: I read the stories. I get into all of this

878
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: from that perspective, and I've railed on the Bronny situation,

879
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: but I always rail on it towards Lebron, never towards Bronni.

880
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: It's not about him. That's the thing that's kind of

881
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: baffling about at all anyway, is we're not talking about Bronni.

882
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 2: We're talking about Lebron by proxy of Bronni. Like through Bronni,

883
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: we're actually criticizing Lebron James. And that's the that to

884
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: me explains why the why to your question, the reason

885
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: we care about bronni is because it's Lebron.

886
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: I think there's an I hear that. I also look

887
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: at all of it and say, this isn't Marvin Harrison Junior,

888
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Like this isn't a superstar that's supposed to be coming,

889
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Like this is a fringe guy that may or may

890
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: not really belong in the league. And how often do

891
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: we even talk about those guys like, yeah, maybe he

892
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: didn't deserve to be in the NBA, but or the

893
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: G League or whatever anybody think. But we're talking about

894
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: you know, ten day contract type thing. It's yeah, he's

895
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: taking a roster spot from someone else. Well, if the

896
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: Lakers choose to give up a roster spot, I mean,

897
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: how often do we see CEOs of companies, owners of businesses.

898
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: They integrate their kids. It's what they do. And we

899
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: see this in all walks of life, like nepotism is

900
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: real and everybody that sits there and says this is terrible.

901
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: I guess my first challenge is if you had the

902
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to do the same for your kid, like I'll

903
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: go back to my music background for I don't really

904
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: watch American Idol, but I saw all the clips of

905
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: Brian Latrella, the Backstreet Boys, his kid Bailey is in.

906
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: He made it on this season of American Idol. Do

907
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: we really think that Bailey's deserving? Or you know, is

908
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: it an accident that Brian happened to be at the

909
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: taping and happen to come in and sing with this kid? No? Like,

910
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: did he take a spot on American Idol from some

911
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: other kid that might be more deserving? Probably? Like, would

912
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: we judge Bailey's music differently if he wasn't, you know,

913
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: the kid of a Backstreet Boy? Probably? Like that stuff

914
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: happens all the time. For me, there's this element of

915
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: it where we're freaking out and I saw somebody say, well,

916
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: it's about the tweet. You know, the fact that Lebron said,

917
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: you know his kids better than some of these guys

918
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: he's watching right now in the NBA Breaking news parent

919
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: overestimates child's athletic ability and feels like he should be

920
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: at a spot he doesn't deserve to be in like that,

921
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: That's also normal. At some point, Lebron's doing what most

922
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: dads would do. Like he's being an AAU basketball dad,

923
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have a realistic perspective of what his

924
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: kid's talents actually are and he's trying to force the issue.

925
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: Okay, how many parents do that?

926
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Like in all business, whether we're talking about CEO's parents

927
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: or music kids or sports kids, like your parents think.

928
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: My mom and dad were the exception. My mom used

929
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: to always remind me every single time I picked up

930
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: a violin as a kid, which turned out to be

931
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: how I made my mark in society for a long

932
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: time for anyone that doesn't know. And my mom was

933
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: the first to step in the room and say, if

934
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: that's the best you can play it, put it away.

935
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: You're not that good. She was the opposite of most parents.

936
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: I think most parents are sitting there overestimating their child's capabilities.

937
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: I think we need more parents in all of life

938
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: that will look at their kid and be like, I

939
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: understand it's your dream to be a singer, but you're

940
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: not talented. I wish more parents were like that, but

941
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: they're not. So I what's Lebron doing that most dads

942
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't do. He's using his platform, his opportunity, his leverage

943
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: his career to try and make an easier path for

944
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: his kid. Like that feels like parenting want on one

945
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: to me.

946
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's true, but that doesn't mean we have

947
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: to condone it and past that. I would also say,

948
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: we never see the plank in our own eye. We're

949
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: always looking at our neighbor's eye. We can always give

950
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 2: somebody else advice that we're not gonna take. We can

951
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: always tell somebody exactly what they should do in their

952
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: love life while we have no significant other to speak of,

953
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: or why, or while our marriage is falling apart due

954
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: to infidelity or any number of other things that are

955
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: going on. Like, it's very easy for us to take

956
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: that view from the outside and say here's what you

957
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 2: need to do, and then when it gets into your

958
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: own house, when it gets into your own situation, you

959
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: behave differently in that case. At the same time, that's

960
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: human nature too, and so when we see this happening,

961
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: we know something's wrong here, just from from from a

962
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: standpoint of does it matter in the grand scheme that

963
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: Bronnie James got that draft pick instead of somebody else

964
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 2: when he could have gone undrafted then been brought into

965
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: the g League, or however they ever wanted to do it. Ultimately,

966
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: like the actual thing that happened isn't a big deal,

967
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: it's everything else that surrounds it past that. But I

968
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: do think that again, just because it's something that is

969
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: normalized in our society doesn't necessarily mean it should be condoned.

970
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: And if you're Lebron James, you have to have the

971
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: self awareness to know that people are going to come

972
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: at your neck about it. They just are, and you

973
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: have to be able to react to that in a

974
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 2: way that indicates, yeah, I knew the slings were coming.

975
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: I knew that this was coming. I took this, I

976
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: took this on. Doesn't mean you have to say, yeah,

977
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: I knew. I agree with what you're saying. But he

978
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: couldn't have been dumb enough at this stage. I don't

979
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: think he could have been naive enough not to see

980
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: this coming. And it's his reaction to the criticism of

981
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: the obvious thing that is taking place that has made

982
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: it a much bigger story. And I felt sympathy for

983
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: Brownie throughout this because I don't know that he ever

984
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: had a choice in this matter, and this has robbed

985
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: him again of the opportunity to grow in front of

986
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: our eyes. Problem was what we saw in college wasn't

987
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: that great. And I'm not sure where he was going

988
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: to play because Lebron was going to be such a

989
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: focal point behind the scenes, maybe a power broker wherever

990
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: he went. There were a lot of schools that weren't

991
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: going to be interested in Bunnie James whatsoever had he

992
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: stayed in college. So Bronnie's existence is completely different than

993
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: all of ours just because of how all this is

994
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: set up. But again, I think it is all magnified

995
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: because it's Lebron James and it's not you know, Steve

996
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: Blake's son or something like that, when Steve Blake was

997
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: playing in the league or somebody that's more of a

998
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: mid level player. I think it would be different. Like

999
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior. To your point, I mean, he earned it,

1000
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders, wherever it is he's going to be drafted,

1001
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: he has earned it. There are guys that are out

1002
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: there that completely deserve it, and you can see it's

1003
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: like they have earned it and they came from that family.

1004
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: That's an outstanding reality. And then it's Bronnie James and

1005
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: you're just kind of like, how bron is this to

1006
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: do the thing we know is kind of shady and

1007
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: then get angry when you're called shady. That to me

1008
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: is where it's kind of left the rails.

1009
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I hear that. I also think. I mean, we've been

1010
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: talking about college basketball all morning. How often do we

1011
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: see coaches who have a roster spot somewhere on there

1012
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: college basketball team for their kid. It's obviously not good enough,

1013
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: but like we get into the last three minutes of

1014
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: the game, and is I was gonna put his kid

1015
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: in for Michigan State. Like we watched that happen and

1016
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: people weren't sitting there saying, oh my god. Now I

1017
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: realized that you could say, well, that kid may not

1018
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: even you know, the scholarships aren't an issue for that

1019
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: kid whatever, but it's still a roster spot. Like it's

1020
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Bronnie and all of this because

1021
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: he's the one that dam Ivy doesn't damned if he

1022
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: doesn't like agree. I do know people that were around

1023
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: Brownie in the draft process. I don't pretend to know

1024
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: anybody in Lebron's camp, but I did have somebody that

1025
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: I trust that covers the NBA draft tell me that

1026
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: there were least considerations of not even sure that Bronnie

1027
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: actually really wanted to play in the NBA. It's just

1028
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: what was expected of him his whole life. Like, so,

1029
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, the very things that we're talking about. He

1030
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: got drafted because of his last name, and he got

1031
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: drafted because of his dad. Like it's possible that that's

1032
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: the thing that not only gave him the opportunity but

1033
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: also will haunt him forever, Like I don't know, you know,

1034
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: so I feel bad for Bronni in this, But this

1035
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me because there's a way that all

1036
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: of this could have been handled. And you know, obviously

1037
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: drama feeds the NBA. We know that drama feeds the NBA.

1038
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: But coming up, I don't think Lebron's the only person

1039
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: in the wrong here, so is Stephen A show's a

1040
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: lot of the media in it. But there's a way

1041
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: that all of this could have been handled that actually

1042
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: would have helped Bronnie, that would have ended the entire conversation,

1043
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: that would have changed the entire situation. I'll tell you

1044
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,640
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1051
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1052
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1053
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1054
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1055
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Speaker 1: tiraq dot Com studios and look, I think it's interesting again.

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Speaker 1: I will always qualify any conversation about ESPN in general.

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00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: I will be clear, ESPN changed my life. I have

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00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: nothing but love for so many people there. The opportunity

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00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: to work there absolutely changed my platform to change everything,

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00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: and so I don't find joy in ESPN versus ESPN drama.

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00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: But that's essentially what's become part of the norm and

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00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: is continuing to happen is Lebron James doesn't go on

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00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: First Take, or doesn't even go on Steven A. Smith

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00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: or like just a one on one show, which, to

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00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: be very clear, ESPN absolutely would have blown up their

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00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: entire day lineup and just put the two of them

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00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: on camera together if either of them had wanted. Instead,

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00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: passive aggressively, Lebron goes on the Pat McAfee Show for

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00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: an hour of friendly interview because we all know Pat's

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00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: not going to push anybody. And then steven A uses

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00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: first take to respond, and I feel like I'm going

1088
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: to go back to our wrestling analogy earlier Jason Martin

1089
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: is to me, this feels like so WWE. This doesn't

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00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: even feel like it's real life. This does not feel

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00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: like the best player in the NBA taking on or

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00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: one of the best players of all time in the

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00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: NBA taking on one of the biggest media personalities of

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00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: all time. This genuinely feel like the lead up where

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00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: you're watching Monday Night Raw and everybody's chirping at everybody

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00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: and nothing's actually happening. This is like two kids in

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00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: the schoolyard saying my dad can beat up your dad,

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00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: like nobody's talking to each other. Lebron could have just

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00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: called steven A. Stephen A could have called Lebron, the

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00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: two of them off camera could have worked it out.

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00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: But instead they're both using, by the way ESPN, which

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00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: benefits from all of this, to continue to blow this

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00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: thing up, and don't I don't understand what the end

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00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: goal is, Like, I don't know if you're Lebron, why

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00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: you think this interview is gonna change anybody's mind. And

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Speaker 1: if you're Steven A, why you think coming out and

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00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: making factually inaccurate statements and looking like an idiot as

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00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: you talk about it is going to change anybody's mind either.

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Speaker 2: Look as somebody who wrote a whole lot of wrestling

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: angles and watched them play out, I could spot a

1111
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: work a mile away, and when I watched this, the

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00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: initial confrontation just seem like a lucky accident. For a

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00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: pro wrestling booker, it's just like, oh, man, we can

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00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: do something with this. You take something that's real and

1115
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: you craft it there and it becomes a marketing thing.

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00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: Not a giant fan of Michelle Beadle, but she said

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00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: basically what you just said, that this whole thing feels fake,

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00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: And I one thousand percent agree with it because it

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00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: certainly isn't hurting Stephen A. Smith, it's benefiting him. And

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Speaker 2: I think here's what I think. I think it has

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00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: become a rap battle. And I don't mean Kendrick Lamar

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00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: and Drake that's a real battle, like that's a different deal,

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00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: but like a rap battle in terms of a competition

1124
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 2: that's taking place between two rappers that don't really hate

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Speaker 2: each other, like this is a bit different. This is

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Speaker 2: I just don't believe the angst is legit. I think

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00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: now it's just one upsmanship, like the whole boxing video

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Speaker 2: and putting that on there. If you're Lebron with the

1129
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: smiley moojis, and of course stephen A has his platform

1130
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: to go on TV and say what he wants to

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00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: say day after day after day. I think it's just

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00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: like it's a whole lot of stuff that's happening around

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: us that just shows sort of the tabloid fixation of

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00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: modern culture, and it's sort of just kind of swirling

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00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 2: the toilet bowl. The thing that I'm left with though,

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00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: and I don't know how many people have mentioned this,

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00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: is if I'm Lebron James or if I'm watching Lebron James,

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00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: I want to see him in this. I'm not saying

1139
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: this specifically to raise Eyre, but shut up and dribble,

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00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: man Like at this point, I just want to see

1141
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: you finish your season, like I want you to be

1142
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: focused on the goal right now. If I'm a Lakers

1143
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: fan and as an NBA guy, I really don't care

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: about Steve Nash co hosting your podcast. I really don't

1145
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: care about this beef with Steven A. Smith and you

1146
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: being on social media and all this other kind of stuff.

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00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: I kind of just want to see you go win

1148
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: a championship. I kind of want to see you and

1149
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: Luca and Austin Reeves and whatever it is that the

1150
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: Lakers have at this point. Like as you're doing this,

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00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: you're losing to the Chicago Bulls. Like these are things

1152
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: that are happening in real time. This is the thing

1153
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: that you're mostly paid to do. So I look at it.

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00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: It's just like I want you to go win a title.

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00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: I want you to care about the thing that a

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00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: whole lot of other people care about you for doing,

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00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: especially the ones that are wearing your jerseys, buying your sneakers,

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00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: all of that other kind of stuff. I want you

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00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: to put forth that kind of effort. And I'm not

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00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: suggesting that he's not giving fourth full effort. But all

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00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: you're doing is creating a narrative for people in our

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00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: industry to come after you when you come up short.

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00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 2: And we know these people, Fittzi, We've met them, we've

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00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: been around them. We saw it like is the Infamous

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: Giants cruise with Odell Beckham Junior and Victor Cruz and

1166
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: those guys like years and years ago, Is that the

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00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: reason they lost the following week? We will never know,

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00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: but you also won't be able to prove it wasn't.

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00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: And so when you do all of this, you'd better win.

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00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: And I don't know that they're going to and you

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00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: can't tell me that there's not at least a couple

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: of percentage points focus lost in all of this for

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00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: Lebron James playing this game.

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Speaker 1: It's I love the way you said that, and it

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00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: just makes me think, like, look, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: care about the legacy conversation so many people do. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the legacy conversation at all because

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that you can change people's

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00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: minds on those things. I do think that history remembers championships, right.

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00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: History is not going to remember beef between Steven A.

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00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: Smith and Lebron in ten years, Like nobody's gonna sit

1182
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: here and say, oh, but that was the year that

1183
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: they had the beef about Bron. He Like, No, nobody's

1184
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna remember that. They will remember whether or not Lebron

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00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: won a championship with this Lakers team like that, Certainly,

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00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: if he doesn't win a championship, then this becomes a

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00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: season that will be forgotten, right or wrong. And if

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00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: he does win a championship, it'll be a season that

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00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: gets talked about forever, right or wrong, especially when you

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00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: compound it with the Luca and trade that it went

1191
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: down this year. So to that point and to that end,

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00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: there is there is something here that does actually matter

1193
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: far more than any of this conversation. And you know

1194
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned Lebron having a podcast. Let's be clear here,

1195
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: he could have said everything that he said on McAfee

1196
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: on his own podcast and it wouldn't have caught the

1197
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: same level of attention, right, Like this is this is

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: both both of these men are using ESPN to further

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Speaker 1: a platform where they don't really have to talk about sports.

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01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: They just have to talk about the shows they're on

1201
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: and the drama that they're in. Like that's what they

1202
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: get to do. And I had somebody yesterday hit me

1203
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: up and say, man, like, who even watches steven A anymore?

1204
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: And this is I'll give you. I'll give the world

1205
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: real information. When I was at ESPN, steven A had

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Speaker 1: a contract that paid over twelve million dollars a year,

1207
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: and I had a boss at ESPN informed me that

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: steven A made more than the value of that contract

1209
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: per year for ESPN just on YouTube clicks. So just

1210
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: on YouTube clicks, he was making more than twelve million dollars.

1211
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: First Take is the most profitable show, or was at

1212
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: the time on ESPN. So I'm not even including the

1213
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: First Take money. Steven A just got a new deal

1214
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: for one hundred million dollars right over five years. According

1215
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: to reports, twenty million dollars a year he earns. By

1216
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: most people's estimation at ESPN, whatever you get paid, you're

1217
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: supposed to earn a little over three times that for

1218
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: the company. So he's earning the company sixty to seventy

1219
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. So for anyone that says Stephen

1220
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: as irrelevant, no he's not. He's a huge part of

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01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: how ESPN makes money. If anyone sits there and says,

1222
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: who even watches this chunk? A lot of people do.

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01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: And then when players come out and complain about the

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01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: way the league is covered, I would just remind you

1225
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: the daily TV numbers are studied by executives at ESPN

1226
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: every day, so they know exactly the second people to

1227
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: out to get up. They know exactly the second people

1228
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: too out of First Take. If true NBA content actually sold,

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: if people truly want comes back to what we talked

1230
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: about earlier with what do people really want with Cinderella's

1231
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: If people were really craving deep dive coverage of the

1232
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: how and why of the NBA, they would know that

1233
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: and it would be covered. The fact is part of

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01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: the reason that this continues to happen is that First

1235
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: Take knows the minute that stephen A talks about Lebron,

1236
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: people will click on it, people will watch it, people

1237
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: will flock to it just just wanting to see steven

1238
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: A's response to Lebron approaching him. The courtside put up

1239
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: huge numbers for First Take because people flock to see

1240
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: what steven A gonna say in front of the mic.

1241
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: So all of this becomes such a massive win. And

1242
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: for anybody listening that since there it says, well why

1243
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: why why? The answer to the why for everything steven

1244
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: A does and everything ESPN does is very simply money.

1245
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: And the problem isn't steven A. The problem is in

1246
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: the ESPN. The problem is people consume this, so you know,

1247
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: the holier than thou approach so many have about the

1248
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: way the game is covered. Stop watching because realistically, at

1249
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day, as long as people go

1250
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: to their TVs to see what steven A has to

1251
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: say about Lebron, ain't gonna stop. So to your point,

1252
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: that's part of why this all feels like a work

1253
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: to me, Like Lebron is winning because he's getting his

1254
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: message out and because more and more people are paying

1255
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: attention to what he says on it, which when you're

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01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: a billionaire is an important thing. Steven A is winning

1257
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: because the ratings are up on all of this, and

1258
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: the company's making money, which only increases his value. The

1259
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: only people losing are all of the rest of us

1260
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: that are sitting here watching two grown ass men act

1261
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: like children.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, we have rubberneck syndrome in this country

1263
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: and in this world. Like you want to compare the

1264
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: NBA to something to me right now, it's kind of

1265
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: the Royal family. That's not something I care about, something

1266
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: that a lot of people do care about, But more

1267
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: than anything else, what does the Royal family do? Like

1268
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: you're listening to us wherever you are what does the

1269
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: royal family? What is the function of the royal family

1270
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: in Great Britain right now in twenty twenty five, almost

1271
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: no one knows because it's the afterthought. It's everything else.

1272
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: It's who's in, who's out? What did Megan say? What

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Speaker 2: happened with Harry? What did Fergie do?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: All of this kind of stuff. But that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's on People magazine every single week. It's

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: like a universe that it's almost like a constant reality show.

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01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: And that's what has become The NBA games are pass

1279
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: The most interesting things that have happened in the NBA

1280
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: in the last five to ten years have all centered

1281
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: around where X star has gone, how many stars have

1282
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: demanded a trade, the Lucatory being like a prime example

1283
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: of all of this kind of stuff that's more interesting

1284
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: than anything we've seen on the floor this entire season.

1285
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: And this is just another function of that. So when

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01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: you say everything is about money, I mean that's a

1287
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: million percent right, like everything. If this thing wasn't actually

1288
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: profitable for ESPN, they wouldn't be covering it. That's the

1289
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: same way, and that happens in pro wrestling too. They

1290
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: look at quarter hours, oh Man, two hundred thousand women

1291
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: in the key demographic tuned out during X match. If

1292
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: that happens consistently, then the participants in X match are

1293
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: going to be scrutinized and potentially pulled put on a

1294
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: pre show or put on earlier in the night. Something

1295
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: is going to change. There is a reason why the

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01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 2: hottest segments on a pro wrestling show are always at

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01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: the top of the hour and usually bridge from the end.

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01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: There's a reason why a lot of those programs started

1299
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 2: having overruns so that you didn't change the channel at

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01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: the top of the hour. They would change their commercial

1301
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: break to make sure that they were on the air

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: during the intro of everything else that was going on.

1303
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: There's a whole lot that goes into this, and steven

1304
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: A knows it, and steven A is playing his role,

1305
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: and he's playing it beautifully. And look, I'm guilty too,

1306
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: And I don't mean as someone who would do the

1307
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: same thing necessarily, not that I haven't ever, but I

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01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: get caught up in this too. I've been over steven

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01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: A in terms of like really being interested for a

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01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: long time, I claim. And then I go to the

1311
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: website and I'll see Steven A's face twenty times on

1312
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: that website telling me there'll be some headline underneath about

1313
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: what it is. He said, I'm like, all right, well,

1314
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: let me see what I can do. And this is

1315
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: the Howard Stern effect, FITZI this is and he used

1316
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: it in private parts. The reason why Howard Stern became

1317
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: Howard Stern is because the people that loved him, loved

1318
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: him to death, couldn't get enough and listened to it

1319
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: all the time. And the people that hated him listen

1320
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: to him twice. They recorded it and listened to it

1321
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: multiple times so that they could raise up their ire

1322
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: something like there's a reason why we sit around at

1323
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: doom scroll and there's a reason why you go to

1324
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: YouTube and you look for you don't look for the

1325
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: great stories on YouTube. Most of the YouTube business is

1326
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: by going after somebody breaking news in a negative sense,

1327
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: criticizing this movie, criticizing this video game, criticizing this athlete,

1328
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: burying all of this kind of stuff. It's all the

1329
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: exact same thing. So that's what we're seeing playing out

1330
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: right now in this feud, at least from the media side,

1331
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: from the ESPN side, it's all about the money. It's

1332
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 2: all about this tabloid society, and it's all about the negativity.

1333
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: We get down with this, we say we don't and

1334
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: then we can't help but click to see what it

1335
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: is that Kendrick Perkins is gonna say that's gonna tick

1336
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 2: us off that day that we can then go tell

1337
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 2: our boys and then we can all say, yeah, Kendrick Perkins, man,

1338
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: what a numbskull. But all we've done is lined his pockets.

1339
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: And it's funny. The first time I did first take,

1340
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: I remember the production meeting and I was doing it

1341
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: with Damian Woody and there were like four or five

1342
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: topics in a row that they went to Woody with

1343
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't know, it could be and

1344
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: they kept laughing. They're like, that's not the show doesn't

1345
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: work that way. We have to find something that you

1346
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: have a powerful stance one way or the other on.

1347
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: And it's like, is that real?

1348
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: Is that?

1349
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget what he's sitting in the production

1350
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: meeting being like, that's not the way the world actually works, right,

1351
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: Like it's so rare to have this huge, polarizing, you know,

1352
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: opinion one way or the other on it and you're right, Like,

1353
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: think about for anybody that when you tune into most

1354
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: reaction after a game, how often is it, oh my god,

1355
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: what a great win and just what a statement by

1356
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: this team? Most of the time it's how did this

1357
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: team choke? What's next for this team now that they've lost? Like,

1358
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: we spend very little time celebrating wins, but we sure

1359
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time celebrating and over analyzing losses.

1360
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: That's just that's true, and it's part of the methodology. Again,

1361
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: it's all studied. And I love your wrestling analogy to it.

1362
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the music business that I cut

1363
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: my teeth and for so many years, Like when you

1364
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: write songs in Nashville, or at least when you used to.

1365
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: I haven't written with anybody in years. But when you

1366
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: write songs in Nashville, they track the analytics. They know, Okay,

1367
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: it's got to get to the course in the first

1368
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: forty seconds, and it needs to be this tempo because

1369
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: that's what people are listening to. And you know, these

1370
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,959
Speaker 1: are the topics that work. Like, this is all studied,

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01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: it's all at some level science because ninety nine percent

1372
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: of the time it's the old like, if you want

1373
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: to create art, you have to create commerce first. Commerce

1374
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: has to fund art. So what gets lost in this conversation,

1375
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times for NBA players that

1376
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: sit there and hate the way the game is being covered,

1377
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: and Lebron's using his platform now to speak loudly against that.

1378
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: What he's forgetting is that if we truly just covered

1379
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of basketball, less people pay attention

1380
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: and less people will talk about it. Like when I

1381
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: was doing radio five days a week with ESPN and

1382
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets were about to go on their first

1383
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: championship run. We went to our bosses and we said, hey,

1384
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: should we start booking Nuggets guests so we can start

1385
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: breaking down the Nuggets? And we got laughed at and

1386
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: they're like, no, nobody gives a damn about the Nuggets.

1387
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: Like talk about the Lakers because that's what's studied, and

1388
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, while people roll their eyes to that concept,

1389
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: and you get so I have friends all the time

1390
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: that will tell me why is get up talking about

1391
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the middle of February, And well, the

1392
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: answer is is more people care about the Cowboys today

1393
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 1: in March, more people will watch a Cowboys statement segment

1394
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: on TV, then we'll watch anything about Oklahoma City. That's

1395
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: just fact. So like at some point when you start,

1396
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: you gotta understand the way chess is being played if

1397
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a comment about the game. And that's

1398
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: the thing that I think players have gotten so fed

1399
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: up with the way their sport is covered without realizing

1400
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: that if it was covered the way they want, the

1401
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: coverage would not get the eyeballs, the sport would not

1402
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: get the attention, and through time, people casuals, which is

1403
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: a huge part of what actually supports all of these sports,

1404
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: or just casual fans will not give a damn. Their

1405
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: eyes glossed over and they don't care.

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's right. And I think the other

1407
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: thing is just we all live in this place where

1408
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: we have a very myopic view. We feel like whatever

1409
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: it is that we are is what everybody else is,

1410
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: Like the world is just kind of what we see

1411
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 2: it as the way we view the world is the

1412
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: world as it really is. And so we don't understand

1413
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:42,440
Speaker 2: when NCIS is the number one television show for fifteen

1414
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: years because we don't watch it and we don't know

1415
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: anyone that watches it. And I'm just giving an example here.

1416
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 2: Nothing against in cis. But then you look at the numbers,

1417
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: it's like, how who are the people that are watching this?

1418
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: They're real people, is the answer. There's a ton of

1419
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: people that listen to what I would consider to be

1420
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 2: garbage music, but there's a whole lot of them that

1421
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 2: sell out a bunch of venues and buy a bunch

1422
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: of albums despite what I think is a lack of

1423
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: talent or a lack of morality or whatever. It's it's

1424
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 2: all completely irrelevant. So that point is dead right. Like

1425
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: I'm a Thunder fan, Like that's my team that has

1426
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 2: been forever, and so I look at it, well, forever

1427
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: as long as it's existed. But you look at all

1428
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: of that and to say, I don't talk a whole

1429
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: lot of Thunder on the radio, because why are we

1430
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,879
Speaker 2: not talking about the NHL. The NHL is almost always

1431
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 2: fun when you watch it in person. Even when you

1432
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: watch it on TV, it can be fun, but nobody

1433
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 2: actually watches it. If you give coverage to that, it's death.

1434
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 2: It's like digging your own grave. In sports radio. You

1435
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 2: gotta feed you Your point about commerce is exactly right,

1436
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: Like there is no, there's no thing to talk about

1437
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: if it isn't making money, and there's no vehicle in

1438
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 2: which to talk about it from if there is no money.

1439
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: I have a very good friend for years that got

1440
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: a master's in acoustical classical guitar performance. That's what he

1441
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: got his master's degree, and he lived in Europe and

1442
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: traveled through Spain just playing flamenco guitar. One of the

1443
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: most talented people I've ever met, and at some point,

1444
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: at one point in his life, he just took a

1445
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: gig playing the simplest country music you've ever heard for

1446
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: a major artist, and it was so beneath his skill

1447
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: set that so many people turned around and they were like,

1448
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: why would you ever do this? You are one of

1449
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: the more accomplished at what you do. You are one

1450
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: of the best in the world. And he kept looking

1451
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: at it. He's like, Yeah, I make more money to

1452
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: play four chords every night that I can play in

1453
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: my sleep than I will ever make and I want

1454
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: to support my family. At some point like that's just

1455
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: it's real. Maybe the business I grew up in. Jade's

1456
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: my perception of it. I can't tell you this for

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Chipotle may

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Speaker 1: be figuring out who the next quarterback is going to

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Speaker 1: be the Cleveland Browns. I'll explain what we mean next

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Speaker 1: and bar Anthony Gargano. I'm gonna tie this to quarterbacks eventually,

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Speaker 1: but first I got to give you a hot food.

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Speaker 1: Take j Martin, unless they're a sponsor of this show,

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Speaker 1: and which guess I take all this back. Chipotle's wildly overrated,

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01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: like Chipotle's fine. It's fine, like it's fine. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's any different or any better than any other

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Speaker 1: you know, Mexican place with yeah, oh my god. Yeah, Chipotle,

1478
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: like Chipotle is one of those institutions people people absolutely flocked. Like, Frankly,

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Speaker 1: if I had the choice between the canteena menu with

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Speaker 1: Taco Bell or Chipotle, I'm going Taco Bell. And Chipotle's

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Speaker 1: got these massive fans. And it's kind of like In

1482
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: and Out Burger, Like In and Out Burger is just

1483
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: a burger, and it's fine. I get it. You're in California,

1484
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: you love your in and out Burger, Okay, relax, like

1485
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: it's fine, but you live in Nashville. Like when what

1486
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: a Burger's opened up in Nashville, you would have thought

1487
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: that it was Gordon Ramsey coming out and actually cooking

1488
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: in person in the parking lot for people. They lined

1489
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: up for hours for the dang things. And I'm like, y'all,

1490
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 1: it's just a burger, like Chipotle is just a Mexican

1491
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: bowl with some rice. Guaca is extra. That's where I

1492
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: stand on it.

1493
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the case is not very good, but anyway, yeah,

1494
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Kirk Cousins likes this double chicken that's the

1495
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: one thing that we know, and I'm with him too,

1496
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: like the cell with double chicken, no rice, just all

1497
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: straight up protein, no carves. That's that's kind of my

1498
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: thing if I'm gonna go there, but I've been there

1499
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: less than five times. About life, it's just I kind

1500
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: of think Chipotle is sort of just the place that

1501
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 2: is mentioned, but is also sort of side eyed. Like

1502
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: I think when you find out that Kirk Cousins goes

1503
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 2: to Chipotle, like the reaction is mainly, man, you can't

1504
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: go to somewhere better than Chipotle in terms of money,

1505
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 2: like you like where you nothing wrong with Chippotle's food,

1506
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 2: but also nothing particularly like stand out about it in

1507
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: terms of it being special. And I think that was

1508
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,560
Speaker 2: more of the reaction. So when you said it's wildly overrated,

1509
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: I was just kind of like, now, In and Out

1510
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: I get it, Like In and Out is rated super highly.

1511
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: My wife and I went to California and we had

1512
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: In and Out five six years ago. We're told it's

1513
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: going to change your life. Spoiler alert, life not changed.

1514
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: It was not bad, but it also was not memorable

1515
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 2: enough for me to even remember what it tasted like,

1516
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: Like there's nothing about it that's stuck with me other

1517
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: than the experience of having gone to in and Out

1518
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 2: Burger and then when what Burger role into Nashville. As

1519
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: you've just mentioned. Yeah, let's just say most people are like,

1520
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: so that tasted like anywhere else? Yes, yes, yes it

1521
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: did that. That's why I didn't wait in line for

1522
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: three hours for it.

1523
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you that there's a reason

1524
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: it's not called what a chicken like the chicken sandwich.

1525
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 1: They're just not. Yeah, it's not. It's avoidable, I think too.

1526
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: And this all ties into for anyone that's confused. Kirk

1527
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: Cousins was in Ohio at Chipotle. People took some pictures

1528
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: and that leads everybody to thinking that Kirk Cousins is

1529
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback at the Browns, and you know,

1530
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: because he was in Ohio. Now, I will say I

1531
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 1: was in Florida a couple of years ago in the summer,

1532
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 1: and I walked by Kirk Cousins. I didn't suddenly think, Oh,

1533
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: I mean's Kirk Cousins just signing somewhere in Florida, Like

1534
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: maybe he was just in Ohio. Maybe like that was

1535
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 1: just going through like he is a he's you know, Michigan.

1536
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: He's a Holland of Michigan, dude. So, like the Midwest

1537
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 1: is obviously a place he he loves. So it's a

1538
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: place that he has history and like maybe he's got

1539
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: family and all that. Like we don't allow any of

1540
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: those things to happen. It just suddenly means he's got

1541
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: to be the quarterback of the Browns. And you know,

1542
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm here to just loudly say, I don't think there's

1543
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: any chances that this happens. And I gotta be honest,

1544
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any chance that this happens because

1545
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't think the Falcons are going to let him

1546
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: go anywhere. And you know, Charles Robinson with Yahoo Sports

1547
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 1: for our show Inside Coverage, pointed out that people around

1548
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 1: the Falcons continue to say Arthur Blank looks at sunk

1549
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: in costs, like my guy went out there and gave

1550
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins a ton of money. And you know, yeah,

1551
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: we saw some good games from Michael Pennix Junior at

1552
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: the end of the year, but there's no assurance that

1553
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: that's who Michael Pennix Junior actually is going to be.

1554
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: There's no assurance that Michael Pennick Junior is suddenly going

1555
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: to walk in and immediately be a Hall of Famer.

1556
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: And also not for nothing, Like if you get rid

1557
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: of Kirk Cousins, you're gonna have to get another Kirk Cousiny.

1558
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: You got to have a backup in today's NFL. So like,

1559
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: I just don't see any reason at all why the

1560
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: Falcons are going to let Kirk Cousins walk away.

1561
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 2: No, I don't either, And I mean I think they've

1562
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: it's through twenty seven. And doesn't he also have the

1563
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: right to reject a trade too. I think he has

1564
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: no trade. He has a no trade rolled in it

1565
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: as well. I think it's kind of a shot at Ohio.

1566
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: That's how I read this. I was just like, so,

1567
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 2: there's no other reason he would have possibly wanted to

1568
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: be in the state of Ohio if it weren't that

1569
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 2: he was part of this discussion with the Cleveland Browns. Like,

1570
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 2: what a shot at the state of Ohio, home of

1571
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 2: our vice president. Like no reason to be in Ohio,

1572
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 2: home of the national champions as a matter of fact,

1573
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: in college football, the Ohio state bucket. No reason that

1574
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 2: you would pot why would you want to be in

1575
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: a stinkhole like Ohio. He there must be. He must

1576
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 2: be on his way to Cleveland to be the Browns quarterback.

1577
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: That is a major leap. And if I'm in Ohio

1578
01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 2: and I am disgusted and I feel completely offended now.

1579
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: Also, like, even if he's in Cleveland, the Rock and

1580
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fames in Cleveland can'ton Orio is not

1581
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: far from there. Maybe he's hanging out the the NFL

1582
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, the Christmas Story House right outside of Cleveland.

1583
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: Like maybe it's just maybe it's super into Christmas. Like

1584
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: there's just a million logical things that don't involve the

1585
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: Browns or Deshaun Watson. And all of this comes because

1586
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: there are so many quarterback questions that just simply haven't

1587
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: been answered for the Browns. And frankly, the more I

1588
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: talk to people leading up to the draft, the more

1589
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that the answer is not there. Nobody knows

1590
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: what the Cleveland Browns are going to do. And as

1591
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 1: much as we're trying to make it, Kirk to the Browns,

1592
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: this is the beginning of a long process. I'll explain

1593
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: what I mean when we come back. He's Jason Martin.

1594
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Fitzwor hanging out. It's the Fellas on Fox

1595
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. As

1596
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: we inge closer and closer to the NFL Draft at

1597
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: the end of April, it's become abundantly clear. Two things

1598
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: stand out. Number one, I don't remember the last time

1599
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: a number one picking team with the number one pick

1600
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: that's likely a quarterback. Was this forgotten? And number two,

1601
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody in the league actually knows what's

1602
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: going to happen with the second overall pick, and that

1603
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: could create chaos like we're not used to seeing at

1604
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. It's the Fellas on Fox

1605
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,200
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Speaker 1: Jason fitz hanging out with Jason Martin. We're really the

1610
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: Jasons on Fox Sports Radio this morning. I kind of

1611
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: like that, like, well, just our parents were both unique

1612
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: in our names, because you know, Jason is such a

1613
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: unique no, it's common everybody everybody's name Jason, but we

1614
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: got a thing.

1615
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 2: On it was Yeah. So Jason and Josh were the

1616
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 2: two most popular boys' names when I was born in

1617
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight, and my parents just thought Josh was

1618
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 2: even more prevalent, so they went with Jason, but they

1619
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 2: they wanted to be popular. I've always thought our name

1620
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: was kind of strange. It's kind of weird when people

1621
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: say what's your name, and I'll say it, And it

1622
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: always felt like it was kind of child like because

1623
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 2: you didn't hear many adults with that name except Jason

1624
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 2: sever on Growing Pains Alan Thick's character back in the day.

1625
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: So now it's like this name that adults have, but

1626
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 2: kids kind of don't. There's not as many kids with

1627
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 2: that name anymore, but there's people in their forties and

1628
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: fifties a lot of them. So it's I've always felt

1629
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 2: like it's a weird name, but it's actually super common

1630
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 2: and right for people of our age.

1631
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. I was born in seventy seven, so

1632
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 1: we're basically the same age, and Jason was the second

1633
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: most popular name in seventy seven as well. My parents

1634
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: always stood by the fact that they didn't know anybody

1635
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 1: that had a kid named Jason, So like my mom

1636
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: had no idea that it was a wildly popular name.

1637
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: That just didn't occur to them at that point, which

1638
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: is only funny because you're right, and you know, everybody

1639
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: calls me fit, but that's happened since sixth grade because

1640
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: there were six Jason F's in my sixth grade class,

1641
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: and like, what what do you do? So we all

1642
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: became known by our last name. Like the first band

1643
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: I was ever in in Nashville that you know, never

1644
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 1: made it, nobody ever heard of us. There were three

1645
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: Jason's in that band, and like we all went by

1646
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: our last names because like that's just it becomes such

1647
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: a populard. You're right, like I've always call you j

1648
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: Mart Like it's it's funny. It's it's funny how most

1649
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: people in our age group that are named Jason are

1650
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: not actually called Jason. I've never really been much of

1651
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: a j Very few people have ever called me Jay.

1652
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 1: Have you was Jay a big thing for you?

1653
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: No, there have been a few, and it always feels weird.

1654
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, now you gotta go with

1655
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 2: the j Martin, Like if you if you j Mart

1656
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: is sort of the thing that everybody has always called

1657
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 2: me Ja. Like my dad who passed away this past July,

1658
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 2: he said he would try to say the thing that

1659
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: he thought everybody else would say so he would be

1660
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: in line. So he tried Jay and it didn't work.

1661
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 2: And then he tried Jace and that also didn't work.

1662
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: But anybody that's ever called me Jay just hasn't known

1663
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 2: me very long, but they're still trying to sort of

1664
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: be in So I don't ever stop anybody from saying it,

1665
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: but it always just kind of gives me that twitch,

1666
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 2: that little just like, wait, is that no, no, no, no, no,

1667
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: Jay is a different name that Jay Wright is Jay Wright.

1668
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: His name is not Jason Wright.

1669
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: You are so right that it is. I've got I've

1670
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: got a couple of friends that I consider pretty good

1671
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: friends that every once in a while will call me Jay.

1672
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: And I realized in those moments, I'm like, yeah, you know,

1673
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: we don't know each other as well as I think

1674
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: we do, because it's there's a familiarity. It's like it's

1675
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: what somebody's calling you, but they don't know you well

1676
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: enough to know that nobody calls you that. It's the

1677
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: wildly interesting part of being named Jason I get. I

1678
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: know you guys tuned into Fox Sports Radio this morning

1679
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: to get a breakdown the name of Jason really is

1680
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: riveting stuff. We'll get to the draft and fear out,

1681
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: we'll get back to the NCAA tournament, as we had

1682
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: some great results last night. We've been talking a lot

1683
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: about this this morning, but the draft is on so

1684
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: many people's minds, especially when we talk about quarterbacks. And

1685
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: you know you're in Nashville, and I'll start here. I

1686
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: don't remember the last time a team was picking number

1687
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: one overall that needed a quarterback, and there's quarterback likely

1688
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 1: going to be taken. I'm pretty convinced that the Titans

1689
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: are going to take cam Ward with the first overall pick.

1690
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: And I don't feel like anybody's talking about it. Like

1691
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: we know, the Titans don't move the needle nationally. Not

1692
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people just tune into or care about

1693
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: Titans content. So I don't think that there's this bias

1694
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: against the Tennessee Titans. I just think that people understand

1695
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,440
Speaker 1: the indifference. So I didn't expect this to be this resounding,

1696
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: resonating pick for a lot of people, but it does

1697
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: feel like it's sort of invisible. I feel like right now,

1698
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: the way the draft has talked about, it's just it's

1699
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 1: pretty forgotten that the Titans have the first pick and

1700
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: that cam Ward is likely to be that quarterback, not

1701
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders.

1702
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: Yes, so the Titans became the thing you really don't

1703
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 2: want to be in, sort of the non it market,

1704
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 2: and that is kind of boring, like there's just not

1705
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 2: anything interesting there and there hasn't been for a few years.

1706
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, there's a reason why Terrek Henry became

1707
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: a bigger sitar of the minute he got to Baltimore.

1708
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people in this city. To

1709
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: hear me say that, nerve would be upset to hear it. Look,

1710
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: the Titans mean a lot here, don't get me wrong.

1711
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: But from a national perspective is how we have to

1712
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 2: view it, and the cam Ward thing, it also just

1713
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: seems like it's foregone conclusion because the way free agency

1714
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 2: played out, clearly the Titans were not in the market

1715
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 2: for any of these other guys, and they've brought in

1716
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: cam Ward again and they're sort of indicating that it's

1717
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 2: going to take a lot more if you want to

1718
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 2: get that first pick. So either they're playing eight D

1719
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 2: chess or they're going to take cam Ward at one,

1720
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: and I just assume that's what they're going to do.

1721
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 2: Sanders Man, you got me. I assume, Like I continue

1722
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 2: to just think, if you're the Giants and he's there,

1723
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 2: I don't think you have the luxury not to take him.

1724
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 2: Until you have a quarterback. I don't think you have

1725
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 2: the luxury not to take one in any draft. That's

1726
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 2: why I disagreed with the Giants the year they took

1727
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley instead of a quarterback, because Sakuon Barkley is

1728
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 2: a luxury purchase. It's not a necessity at that point

1729
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 2: in time. If you don't have a quarterback, then you

1730
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 2: can't go and buy the great other thing until you've

1731
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: got a nice house, or just until you've got a

1732
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 2: roof over your head. You can't buy a Lamborghini. And

1733
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 2: that felt like a luxury purchase for the Giants at

1734
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 2: that point in time. So I ask you, fits like,

1735
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: do the Giants have the luxury of not taking a quarterback?

1736
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,839
Speaker 2: And does Brian Dable have the time in his job,

1737
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 2: the luxury the leash on his job at this point

1738
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 2: not to take a quarterback and run with that, because

1739
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 2: I know you paid Russell Wilson, but I don't think

1740
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 2: that means as much as any That doesn't mean anywhere

1741
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 2: near as much as it would have four years ago,

1742
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure it means anything in twenties twenty five.

1743
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, Russ is making what twenty one million dollars ish,

1744
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: He's going to be the starter probably while they develop

1745
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: whatever they're gonna do. If they draft quarterback, it would

1746
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: likely be Shador or Jackson dart Right, and so if

1747
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: it's either of those guys, there's probably a little bit

1748
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: longer runway before that person gets on on the field.

1749
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: The Giants are a tough case study because they're not

1750
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: aligned in their timing and by that, like, I think

1751
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: this was one of the problems I had, I said

1752
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: loudly last year for the Bears when they were getting

1753
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: ready for the draft, is that you had, you know,

1754
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: sort of a lame duck coach that may or may

1755
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 1: not be there. You're drafting a quarterback, you have different

1756
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: guys on different timelines. I don't like that. I want

1757
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: my GM and my coach to be on the same

1758
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: timeline from day one. I want the quarterback to be

1759
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: on the same timeline with all of them from day one.

1760
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's tough to have success otherwise.

1761
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: So it's the daybole part of this that really complicates it,

1762
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: because if your argument is, well, we need to get

1763
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 1: a quarterback and develop them, I don't think the Giants

1764
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: are going to win a lot of football games with

1765
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson or Jameis Winston, either one as their starter.

1766
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't think they win a lot of football games

1767
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback as their starter. So that just

1768
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: leads me to Brian Dable getting fired. Like I actually

1769
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,879
Speaker 1: think the answer to this question would be much easier

1770
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: if the Giants had hired a new head coach this year,

1771
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: because that starts the clock all. Like hire a new

1772
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: GM that hires a new head coach, start the clock

1773
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: all at the same time. The hardest part because I

1774
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: agree in principle that when you need a quarterback, you

1775
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: have to take one. But what do you do with

1776
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 1: that quarterback? Like if your scouts and your GM just

1777
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: look at the board and say, man, I don't think

1778
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: this guy's it, then can you afford to waste the

1779
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: third overall pick and the draft on a quarterback that

1780
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: you don't believe is him. Like, that's the tougher, the

1781
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,839
Speaker 1: tougher part to me, Like, if I'm a Giants fan today,

1782
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: I actually kind of hope and pray that cam Warden

1783
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders go one and two because I don't think

1784
01:28:55,479 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: Shadoor is it. I don't so if the organization can

1785
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: avoid that pitfall, I don't think that's the worst thing.

1786
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: But it's similarly to everybody getting fired and next year

1787
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to draft quarterback.

1788
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: This is what's kind of unbelievable about the whole Giant scenario.

1789
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: Recognize this, everyone listening. Daniel Jones is better than what

1790
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 2: than any option the Giants are going to have on

1791
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: the field this year. Amen. The Daniel Jones before they

1792
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 2: let him go is better and would be better for

1793
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Brian Dabele in the short term than either Russell Wilson

1794
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:37,440
Speaker 2: or Jamis Winston or a rookie shoedor Sanders. Probably. However,

1795
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 2: the idea of winning a lot of games. If you're

1796
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Brian Dabel, do you have to win a ton of

1797
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:47,480
Speaker 2: games or do you just have to show the infancy

1798
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: of that development? Do you just have to show. Yeah. Look,

1799
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 2: remember before I all of a sudden for good how

1800
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 2: to coach. I also was with Josh Allen during his

1801
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 2: formative years and helped turn him in into the Josh

1802
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 2: Allen that we're seeing now. And that's why I got

1803
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 2: this job in the first place. And it just hasn't

1804
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 2: worked out so far. But look at who I had

1805
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 2: at quarterback. If he comes out there and you see

1806
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: growth from the quarterback from week one to week last,

1807
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 2: is that enough? Or if you see growth from week

1808
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 2: six to week last, is that enough. The larger point

1809
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: that you made about Caleb and the Bears is right.

1810
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: I thought they were insane not to let Eberclus go

1811
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 2: before last year. I don't think whoever the coach was

1812
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 2: coming in was probably going to be opposed to taking

1813
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams at number one, but at the very least

1814
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 2: having him after we already knew not really an offensive

1815
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 2: guy in the first place, but there was no competency

1816
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: there at all, and there was nothing special about it,

1817
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 2: and you ran that back as opposed to bringing in

1818
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 2: somebody that could have immediately started to develop Caleb on

1819
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 2: the NFL level while he was on that rookie contract.

1820
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: To me, was incredible organizational malpractice by the Bears, and

1821
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 2: that's the worst thing that you can have as an

1822
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 2: organization right now.

1823
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I think at this point what you do is you

1824
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: set your young quarterback back, you force your young quarterback

1825
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: to learn a new playbook going into year two. It

1826
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 1: creates total chaos. And that's why all of this gets

1827
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: particularly interesting for Chador coming up. What all of that

1828
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: means for Cleveland, because I've talked to people around the league.

1829
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I hosted the show yesterday with Yahoo our NFL Insider,

1830
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: gave some real insight on what Cleveland situation actually looks like.

1831
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: And y'all, it's complicated. I'll explain what I mean next

1832
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,240
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1833
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:41,240
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1834
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,559
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1835
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,920
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1836
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:52,120
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1837
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:52,960
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1838
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 1: At the end of April, the first pick of the

1839
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: draft is going to come in pretty quickly, as soon

1840
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: as the lead will allow it. They're like a little suspense.

1841
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 1: I think I think cam Ward's gonna be that pick.

1842
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: The Titans are going to take care of that, and

1843
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna lead us to the second pick in the draft.

1844
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: And I can genuinely tell you that right now, I

1845
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: don't think a single person in this industry anywhere truly

1846
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: knows what the Cleveland Browns are gonna do. And that

1847
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: feels unprecedented. It's some fellas on Fox Sports Radio coming

1848
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: into a live from the tiraq dot com studios, Jason

1849
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Martin in for Anthony Gargano, hanging out with me. I'm

1850
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: Jason fitz JAMR. I was talking to some of our

1851
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: Yahoo people and we were trying to break down some

1852
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 1: of the draft and this is interesting. It's wild to me.

1853
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had people around the league tell me

1854
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: that there are teams that believe that Shador should and

1855
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: will be the second overall pick, and then there are

1856
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,799
Speaker 1: people around the league that believe that he's more likely

1857
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: deserving of being a second round pick instead of the

1858
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 1: second overall pick. Right, so nobody seems to know. But

1859
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 1: in talking to Charles Robinson, our NFL insider yesterday on

1860
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: our show, he made it clear that, Hey, the Browns

1861
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: seem to like this chaos. They like the fact that

1862
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: nobody knows, and b it's true that nobody knows, Like

1863
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 1: there is an element of the Browns right now. They

1864
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: could take the best player available, They could trade down

1865
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: if they can find a trade partner, and then maybe

1866
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: look at one of the quarterbacks. They could wait until

1867
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: the second round. They actually have the first pick in

1868
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: the second round because of the way things are slotted, Like,

1869
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to me that we're sitting here

1870
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: with the first overall pick. I think fairly presumptive. We

1871
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: know that's gonna happen the second or overall pick, and

1872
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: a team that financially needs a quarterback and doesn't have,

1873
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: like who's going to start for Cleveland? Can he Pickett?

1874
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: What are we doing right? So they don't have any

1875
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: other real option at the quarterback position. They need a

1876
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: rookie contract at the quarterback position. Yet nobody can conclusively

1877
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: say that Shador is going to be that guy that

1878
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: has to say something at this point that we don't

1879
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: know anything.

1880
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Browns are used to not knowing anything at

1881
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,719
Speaker 2: the quarterback position. First of all, we've gotten that experience

1882
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 2: now for not on thirty years, with a couple of exceptions.

1883
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 2: But I think because of your Deshaun's situation and the

1884
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 2: fact that a lot of the league is kind of

1885
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 2: not interested in helping you out of the situation that

1886
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: you're in. The rookie contract thing matters, So I would say,

1887
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 2: if you're the Cleveland Browns, you've got to be sure

1888
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: in your mind that should doors not it, or you know,

1889
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Jackson Dard, whoever it is that's sitting there is not it.

1890
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 2: If you feel there's even a twenty five to thirty

1891
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 2: percent chance, like you know, he could be it, then

1892
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 2: I think you got to do it, because I don't

1893
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 2: know what your other option is at this point, based

1894
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 2: on the way the chips have fallen and where you

1895
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 2: find yourself right now. If you know he's not it,

1896
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: then you don't take him like that's it, like the

1897
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 2: only And we talked about this as a related to

1898
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 2: the Giants, and it's true, like I think you have

1899
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 2: to take a quarterback until you have one, but that

1900
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you take one you know is not one.

1901
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 2: Taking a non quarterback over a quarterback you absolutely don't

1902
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 2: believe in is a completely different animal. If they believe

1903
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 2: it all in shoudor if they think there's a decent

1904
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 2: possibility here if they listen to some of those people

1905
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 2: within the league that do buy into Shador and what

1906
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 2: he could do, then I think you have to pull

1907
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 2: that trigger. You have to go ahead and say, yep, okay,

1908
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 2: we'll bring him in. If not, then either you take

1909
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 2: an obdul Carter, who is probably the best overall player

1910
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: in the draft if you're just looking at what he

1911
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 2: can do on the field. You take the guy that

1912
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: you think is the best and you marry him to

1913
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, who you just paid, and you go try

1914
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: to win on defense and figure your quarterback situation out

1915
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 2: going forward, or you try to take a haul for

1916
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 2: somebody that's willing that does think Shador could be the

1917
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 2: guy and is willing to go in and set that

1918
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 2: rookie clock. So I think if you're if you're Cleveland,

1919
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 2: that's that's really it. And in terms of what I

1920
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 2: think they're going to do, I know I get paid

1921
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: to have opinions, but my opinion right now is that

1922
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 2: anybody that says they know is a fool which you

1923
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 2: let off with.

1924
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: And it's it's wild because this is how you end

1925
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: up with an Aaron Rodgers type situation with the draft.

1926
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: Like I I wouldn't be surprised at all, and it

1927
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: would make total sense for your door to go number two. Overall,

1928
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: That's fine, I totally I sort of expect that that

1929
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: will happen, simply because my mind can't wrap around not

1930
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: trying to get a different quarterback that isn't named Kenny Pickett.

1931
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 1: That's it's being honest. But the flip side of it

1932
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: is if they don't like if that's an indication of

1933
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 1: how the league actually feels behind closed doors about him.

1934
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we could be looking at a fall, and

1935
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: if we're looking at a fall, that just becomes really

1936
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: interesting because there are teams that need quarterbacks. But the

1937
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: question is, you know where do they take? Like the

1938
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Steelers right now don't have a viable quarterback in the room.

1939
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Aaron Rodgers, you know, but

1940
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers, even if they draft or even if they

1941
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 1: signed Aaron Rodgers, the Steelers don't have a future at

1942
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 1: the position. The Rams don't have a future position. Like

1943
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 1: there are certainly places that you could look around and say, hey,

1944
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: it makes sense, and you have to wonder how much too,

1945
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: what we saw last year for the Vikings is seared

1946
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: in people's minds. I think teams are starting to rethink

1947
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: the way they approach the quarterback position. And the fact is,

1948
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,560
Speaker 1: it's not about having a rookie or a veteran. I

1949
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: think it's about making sure you have somebody. I mean

1950
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: you smartly said earlier, Daniel Jones is better than much

1951
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 1: of what the Giants are likely to have this year.

1952
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 1: I as a lifelong diehard Raiders fan, I have listened

1953
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: to Raiders fans for years just sit there and say,

1954
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is the worst, Derek Cars the worst, Derek

1955
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: Cars the worst, And then you watch a season of

1956
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 1: Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Minshew and you're like, man, this

1957
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: team would have been better with Derek Carr. Now this

1958
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: is where immediately fans come and say, well, you're not

1959
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 1: winning a super Bowl with this guy. Look you don't.

1960
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: At some point. This is not a loser's mentality. This

1961
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: is a realistic mentality. What you need is proximity. This

1962
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: concept of can't win a super Bowl with that guy, well, okay,

1963
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 1: if you're gonna If that's the judge the line with

1964
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: which you judge every quarterback at this point, I guess

1965
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: everybody other than Mahomes should just be given up on. Like,

1966
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: it's tough to win super Bowls, so all you can

1967
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: do is get into the proximity to win super Bowls,

1968
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: and to do that, you have to have a consistently

1969
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: playoff caliber quarterback, you know, and that's just to be real,

1970
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 1: Like there was a period where people said that Peyton

1971
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: Manning couldn't win the Big Game. So I hate these

1972
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: playoff narratives we have around quarterbacks. I think at some

1973
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: point there is value to having a quarterback that is

1974
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: at least good enough to keep you in the conversation.

1975
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 1: And what happens is fans and teams get frustrated with that,

1976
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 1: and then they want to, you know, get rid of

1977
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: that guy and then go back to the well well,

1978
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean at this point. The Steelers another great example,

1979
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: Like they didn't just wake up one day and say, well,

1980
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: we don't have Big Ben anymore, We're going to be

1981
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 1: just fine. Like the Colts certainly lived through a couple

1982
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 1: of generations of having a lot of quarterback answers. Now

1983
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: they have no idea what they're doing, Like this concept

1984
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: of I'm gonna get rid of the guy I have

1985
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 1: and then just find one in the draft. There are

1986
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: more draft failures than there are successes. So hell, I

1987
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: don't know the right answer. I just know that if

1988
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: you were even if you're split, ty goes to the dealer,

1989
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: then then the split sends you to Schaduur. But I

1990
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 1: just I don't know at this point. So it's tough

1991
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 1: because I think there are gonna be plenty of teams

1992
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: that have left without any real answer at the quarterback

1993
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: position and no idea what the hell they're doing, And

1994
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 1: that's the most hopeless feeling you can have in the league.

1995
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's right, And it's a tough go if

1996
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: you're a, for example, a Colts fan, and I was

1997
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 2: gonna use that example as well. It's just year after

1998
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 2: year after year, it's like, all right, we've got Philip

1999
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 2: Rivers and then we've got this, and we've got this,

2000
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 2: and then it was Matt Ryan and they're going to

2001
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 2: bring in this veteran for a year. We know it's

2002
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 2: in a long term solution. Eventually we're going to fall

2003
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 2: into our next long term plan. And I honestly think

2004
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 2: that the Steelers have become the Colts since Big Ben

2005
01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 2: and Big Ben kind of hung on a few years

2006
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 2: too long, and they hung on and didn't plan for

2007
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 2: his successor, and as such, you know, they have dealt

2008
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 2: with kind of thin pickings when it comes to what

2009
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 2: they were going to have at the quarterback spot, and

2010
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: so that that that really is it, Like there's I

2011
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 2: think I remember talking to a former NFL scout a

2012
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,719
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and he said that twenty five

2013
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 2: percent is the hit rate on first round quarterbacks in

2014
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 2: terms of guys that you wouldn't say are complete failures

2015
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 2: in the NFL. This is a dude that did that

2016
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 2: for a living, and he said, yeah, our hit rate

2017
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 2: as a league is about twenty five percent. That ain't high. Fits.

2018
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 2: I'm not a math guy, but that's not high. That's

2019
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 2: one out of four in the first round. Mind you,

2020
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 2: we don't even talk about whatever's happening in some of

2021
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 2: these other rounds. And yeah, you're gonna have the diamond

2022
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 2: in the rough. But the reason why you call him

2023
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 2: a diamond in the rough.

2024
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: Is because there's a whole lot of rough.

2025
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 2: So there's a whole lot of things that aren't diamonds

2026
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: that are surrounding it, which is why the diamond stands

2027
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 2: out in the first place. So it's not. This is

2028
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 2: not some very easy game to play. It is difficult

2029
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 2: to figure out who the guy is going to be.

2030
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 2: There are, as you said, many more failures than there

2031
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:15,559
Speaker 2: are successes, and once you fall into quarterback purgatory, it's

2032
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 2: a rough spot to be in. The one thing I

2033
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 2: will say to that, you can't win a super Bowl

2034
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 2: with that guy argument. One thing that does get annoying

2035
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 2: is constant mediocrity and always being just good enough not

2036
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 2: to be in position to draft the replacement. But even

2037
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,520
Speaker 2: if you do get in position to draft the replacement

2038
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 2: and you think it's a can't miss, sometimes it turns

2039
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 2: out to be Trevor Lawrence. And that doesn't necessarily mean

2040
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 2: that Trevor Lawrence is a bust. But compared to and

2041
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 2: you know this, compared to what we thought Trevor Lawrence

2042
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 2: was going to be, and what we were told Trevor

2043
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 2: was going to be for a year before the year

2044
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 2: he even came out in the draft, that has not

2045
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 2: worked out. So even having the high pick doesn't necessarily

2046
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 2: guarantee anything.

2047
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look around the landscape. Joe Burrow obviously a

2048
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: number one overall pick, so that certainly is a that's

2049
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: a feather in the cap. But then look at the

2050
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: rest of the quarterbacks that we're talking about that you know,

2051
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson not a first overall pick. Patrick Mahome is

2052
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: not a first overall pick. Like, we're not even talking

2053
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Top five with these guys. Josh Allen not a first

2054
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 1: overall pick, like Jalen Hurts not a first overall pick.

2055
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 1: You just keep going up and down the list. Like

2056
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:31,719
Speaker 1: this concept that well, I got to get my quarterback

2057
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 1: first overall doesn't necessarily work. There is a consistency to

2058
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: organizations that draft a guy and develop a guy.

2059
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 2: That's just the thing.

2060
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 1: Like I will always say that the most incredible thing

2061
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 1: that the Buffalo Bills did was they shut out the noise.

2062
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:50,839
Speaker 1: I remember sitting in the room watching smart NFL people

2063
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 1: breaking down the inaccuracies of Josh Allen after his rookie

2064
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 1: year and talking about the fact that, man, you just

2065
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 1: can't fix these issues. And they fixed these issues right.

2066
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: They didn't listen to anybody else's noise. They put consistency

2067
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,839
Speaker 1: around him, they built around him, and they let him flourish.

2068
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 1: Like Lamar Jackson was given the opportunity to develop with

2069
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: a coaching staff that has been wildly consistent. Patrick Mahomes

2070
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,759
Speaker 1: was paired with a incredible head coach and a starting

2071
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: quarterback that helped develop and didn't play basically at all

2072
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: in the They resisted the temptation to play him in

2073
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 1: the first year just because they wanted him to have

2074
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 1: the opportunity to develop the right way. There is something

2075
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: too stable organizations draft quarterbacks and allow them to grow

2076
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 1: into stable quarterbacks. The problem is most teams picking at

2077
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 1: the top of the draft suck. And when you are

2078
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: not good top to bottom, you are constantly changing everything

2079
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 1: and every time you make change. I mean, when Trevor

2080
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: Lawrence was drafted, my comment on our live stream that

2081
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I was doing for ESPN that year was that the

2082
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: Jags would fail Trevor Lawrence before Trevor Lawrence failed to Jackson,

2083
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 1: and I think they did. And I think that the

2084
01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: Titans are more likely than not to fail cam Ward.

2085
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the Browns, if they draft shador standers,

2086
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: are more likely than not to fail chador standers. It's

2087
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: just just what's what bad teams do? You know? There

2088
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: is this element like my beloved Raiders stink because they

2089
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 1: just frankly, they don't have any hope most years without

2090
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: without a quarterback. And so you look at it at

2091
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 1: some point and say, hey, it is such a difficult

2092
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: position to answer. When you get the answer, any remote

2093
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:28,639
Speaker 1: version of the answer, man, you gotta find stability around

2094
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: that guy. And that's just tough to do for bad teams.

2095
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, it's not I would say, it's not

2096
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 2: even that. It's what bad teams do. It's what bad

2097
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 2: organizations do. It's what the front offices do. It's what

2098
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 2: the decision makers do. It's less about the jimmies and

2099
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 2: the Joe's on the field failing the quarterbacks. It's more

2100
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 2: about the decision makers and the ones that would put

2101
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, a college head coach with a bad

2102
01:44:55,960 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 2: reputation in there with your first overall we're back and

2103
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 2: assuming that that was going to work out, for example,

2104
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,799
Speaker 2: just just as one. So I mean, I think that's

2105
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 2: I think that's largely it. I mean, if do you

2106
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 2: believe in the ownership in Nashville, I don't know. I'm

2107
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:16,799
Speaker 2: definitely side eyeing that and have been for a handful

2108
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 2: of years now. And so I look at that and

2109
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 2: it's just like that might be your cam Ward point

2110
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 2: in a nutshell. Bad organizations end up doing bad things

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01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 2: and doing things that are detrimental to talented guys as well.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I definitely think that there is something

2113
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 2: to that, and so to that end, the Giants are

2114
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 2: kind of a bad organization. The Browns are arguably the

2115
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 2: worst organization, not just in the NFL, but maybe in

2116
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 2: all the pro sports, or certainly have become that. Well,

2117
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 2: you know what, the Dallas Mavericks exist. So I might

2118
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 2: have to pull back on that at least for a minute.

2119
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's that's really it. Like these organizations

2120
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 2: are going to continue to make just off decisions. I

2121
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 2: don't think that you go take the wrong guy just

2122
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of circling it back around. I think you take

2123
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 2: your guy. Though, if you think he's your guy, you

2124
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 2: move helen high water to try and make it happen.

2125
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're not gonna be able to get high enough

2126
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 2: to do that, depending on where you find yourself. But

2127
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 2: you got to take your guy. And if there's somebody

2128
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 2: out there that believes in your door and really believes

2129
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,520
Speaker 2: he can be their guy and they don't have a quarterback,

2130
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 2: then you do everything under the sun to make him

2131
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 2: your guy. And maybe you're gonna have that opportunity? I mean,

2132
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 2: who knows, I don't know. I mean, do you have

2133
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 2: a sense at all, like if he gets past those

2134
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 2: first couple of picks, is there gonna be a precipitous

2135
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,920
Speaker 2: fall here? Are we gonna have the the old green

2136
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 2: room set up, which probably won't happen in this case

2137
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 2: because he won't be there, But are we going to

2138
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 2: have that set up where well, when's he gonna go?

2139
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 2: And we're still waiting on it going into day two?

2140
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 2: Is that is that an actual possibility in your mind?

2141
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he makes it to day two, but

2142
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 1: I think if he doesn't go in the first three,

2143
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 1: it gets really precarious after that. I don't think the Raiders,

2144
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: as much as people want to put Shadoor with the Raiders,

2145
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that's real. The Jets just you know,

2146
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: maybe the Jets bring him in behind Justin Field's like,

2147
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: maybe that makes sense, But it starts to get really

2148
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 1: iffy there, and then you got to ask yourself, like,

2149
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 1: if you're Kellen Moore, do you prefer Jackson Dart if

2150
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: you're you know there there again, New Orleans I think

2151
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: is in the quarterback market they pick ninth in the

2152
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: draft right now, and then you get into the Steelers

2153
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 1: are obviously in the quarterback market they picked twenty first.

2154
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 1: I think the Rams are in the quarterback market they

2155
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: picked twenty six though, Like I think if a fall

2156
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: actually happened, you would see a team like in the

2157
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: mid teens trying to trade down for somebody that wants

2158
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 1: to trade up to get Shador. I do believe that,

2159
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 1: But I also like, let's go back to the fact

2160
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: you and I both spent a lot of time around

2161
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 1: college football. And I'm not going to say this is

2162
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: fail proof, but I will say that you can get

2163
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: a sense of a lot of these quarterbacks if you

2164
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 1: just listen to the smartest minds in college football talk

2165
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,680
Speaker 1: about them. And I've said this for years. So the

2166
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: conversation around CJ. Stroud, I was there in person on

2167
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 1: the sidelines for his playoff, just absolute showing against Georgia,

2168
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 1: and I remember a couple of the guys that cover

2169
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 1: the game well looked at me and said, man, he

2170
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 1: just made himself a lot of money because he answered

2171
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 1: the last question is he willing to be the athletic

2172
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 1: guy he needs to be? And he answered that I'm

2173
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: not surprised. I don't think anybody that really covers college

2174
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: football is surprised by the success of CJ.

2175
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 2: Stroud.

2176
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Maybe nobody thought it would be as historic, but I'm

2177
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: not surprised by it. If you go into last year,

2178
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:44,760
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the people that cover the game had

2179
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,560
Speaker 1: an understanding that Caleb was going to be successful, that

2180
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 1: Drake has a really good chance of being successful, And frankly,

2181
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: everybody loved Jayden coming in. Like it's just if you

2182
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: were talking to college football heads, not NFL heads, but

2183
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,639
Speaker 1: college football heads about Jaden and Daniels two weeks before

2184
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: the draft. They were telling you, dude, this kid is

2185
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,600
Speaker 1: this kid is special. I was at the National Championship

2186
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,600
Speaker 1: game when Joe Burrow was absolutely lighting it up, and

2187
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 1: I looked at one of our analysts at the time

2188
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: and I said, why are we not talking about him

2189
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: the way we talk about Andrew Luck And everybody said

2190
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,080
Speaker 1: we should be. And so sometimes when I try and

2191
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: figure out these quarterbacks, the opposite side of it, I

2192
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 1: was trying to dig into Will Levis and figure out

2193
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 1: what was real, and every college football media person or

2194
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: quarterback guru I talked to, he said, no, it's not.

2195
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: Will isn't a pro and you know, Zach Wilson's same thing,

2196
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 1: Like some of these busts that we've seen, even justin fields,

2197
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 1: people were like, man, I don't know, there's some real

2198
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: questions Bryce Young. I talked to people around the Alabama program,

2199
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 1: and I think Bryce still has a real shot. But

2200
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: there are people around the Obama program that would tell you, hey,

2201
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: he struggles to figure out communication to the offensive line

2202
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 1: and blitz pickup. That's really going to hurt him in

2203
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:48,839
Speaker 1: the NFL. What do you know? First year he absolutely

2204
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 1: got murdered on that stuff. And I say all of

2205
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: that because if you talk to college football gurus right now,

2206
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 1: they those are some of the people that are looking

2207
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: at the cam Wards and the shed Or Sanders and

2208
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: the Jackson Darts and saying, man, I'd wait till next

2209
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 1: year's class. Like it's not just mock draft people on

2210
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Twitter or you know, mock draft personalities on ESPN and

2211
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: everywhere else that are trying to get clicks. Like I think, smart,

2212
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: smart college football minds are looking around saying, hey, Cam,

2213
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: could Cam could have something? I don't see it. The

2214
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:20,799
Speaker 1: rest of the way. It's gonna take a lot of development.

2215
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 1: So that's why my mind keeps going to maybe the

2216
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: best case scenario, like if somebody falls to the rams

2217
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 1: and gets If one of these quarterbacks falls to the

2218
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: Rams and gets two years sitting under Stafford with Sean

2219
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,800
Speaker 1: McVay as their head coach and then comes out, I'm

2220
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be surprised at all if that guy successful.

2221
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 2: Because he was putting a better situation. Yeah. I mean

2222
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 2: that that point about just being around college football people

2223
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 2: as long as we have and seeing it and having

2224
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 2: it defined for you right there in front of your face.

2225
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels is a perfect example of that. That team

2226
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 2: around him, Like what he was able to do with

2227
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 2: that team at LSU in his last year proved a

2228
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 2: whole lot about him. And the problem for a Bryce

2229
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 2: Young when you're hearing around the Alabama program that he's

2230
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 2: struggling with blitz pickups and his offensive line communication is

2231
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:17,919
Speaker 2: he's probably going to a team with a garbage offensive

2232
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:20,479
Speaker 2: line because one of the key things that happens for

2233
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:23,640
Speaker 2: a first, second, third pick is the O line is

2234
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 2: trash and as a result, quarterbacks are running for his life.

2235
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 2: So you bring in a rookie with a bad O

2236
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: line who at that point in time, also is not

2237
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:38,919
Speaker 2: good with communications with the offline offensive line and struggles

2238
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 2: with blitz pickups. You could have seen that coming from

2239
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 2: a mile away. I didn't. I believed in Bryce Young,

2240
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 2: but I can understand why there would have been detractors,

2241
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 2: for example, in that case, and why you would be

2242
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 2: looking at some of these guys differently. And I'm with you.

2243
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 2: Outside of cam Ward, I just don't see anything. And

2244
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 2: cam Warden, I'm not sure what cam Ward is going

2245
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 2: to be, but I do think that there's a possibility there.

2246
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 2: But I've just heard way too many people that know

2247
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 2: a whole lot about this that just don't see it

2248
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 2: in Should Doure And I see him as a dynamic

2249
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 2: college football player and an incredible athlete, an incredibly confident

2250
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 2: guy who is going to run into some serious adversity,

2251
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 2: maybe for the first time ever when it comes to

2252
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 2: He's going to run into that level where he's not

2253
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,680
Speaker 2: the best player on the field anymore. And what is

2254
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 2: going to happen in that moment when the high school

2255
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 2: athlete that you watched in your high school wherever you are,

2256
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 2: who you were, like, Man, that dude is going to

2257
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 2: be Michael Jordan and then he ends up playing for

2258
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 2: some directional school and then never gets drafted, never even

2259
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 2: gets sniffed, and you never even hear about him after

2260
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 2: his second year in a school that's never even heard of.

2261
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 2: That's what it is like. Once you eventually you hit

2262
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 2: a level where everybody's as good as you are, and

2263
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:57,599
Speaker 2: then you find out how good guys really are. And

2264
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,880
Speaker 2: that's I think where the Shador Sanderson is. It's just

2265
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 2: there's a massive boom and bus potential there. But at

2266
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 2: least I think maybe there's a higher floor for cam Ward,

2267
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,679
Speaker 2: which is why it's an easier pick to make. Just say,

2268
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of fundamental stuff about him that could

2269
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 2: make him successful in the league.

2270
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 1: And it's not an accident that Carolina invested heavily in

2271
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,760
Speaker 1: their offensive line for year two of Bryce Young and

2272
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 1: then bally through the season he started to play like

2273
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: we thought Bryce Young might be able to play. None

2274
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:31,799
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Speaker 1: Jmart five years, fifty four million dollars. Okay coaching contracts

2304
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Speaker 1: for funny money. We all know their funny money, and

2305
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Speaker 1: everybody can be bought out of anything, but Colorado made

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Speaker 1: a substantial investment to make d one of the highest

2307
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Speaker 1: paid coaches in college football. I'm not surprised by the move.

2308
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:07,080
Speaker 1: I think it also is a statement. You know, you

2309
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: got to get ahead of keeping d unhappy. But I

2310
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 1: don't want to get it twisted. Man. Like we were

2311
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,240
Speaker 1: just talking about Shador. It's not that long ago that

2312
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 1: everybody was sitting here saying, well, Dion's gonna leave for

2313
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 1: the NFL for sure, so he can coach Shador. And instead,

2314
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 1: Dion has done nothing but make it clear he's pretty

2315
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2316
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Speaker 1: wasn't just about a couple of years of Shador Shiloh

2320
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 1: and Dion. This was about, you know, cementing our football

2321
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 1: program moving forward.

2322
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean Colorado said it's a no brainer

2323
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:50,240
Speaker 2: because we talked earlier in the program about you know

2324
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 2: what it is when it comes to business and money

2325
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,760
Speaker 2: and how that dominates the discussion both on television, but

2326
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 2: it also dominates everything happens in sports as well, and

2327
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 2: Colorado is never going to be as much of a

2328
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 2: marketing tool and it's not going to be as relevant,

2329
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 2: and it's not going to be a talking point without

2330
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 2: Dion Sanders. We weren't talking about Colorado before Dion got there.

2331
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 2: And it's not that there's not somebody else out that

2332
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 2: maybe you could bring in that could turn some eyeballs

2333
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 2: as well. But there's something to Dion. There's something to

2334
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:26,080
Speaker 2: that that brings more people to watch the games but

2335
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 2: also to pay attention to what's happening during the week.

2336
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 2: So on the Colorado side makes complete sense even before

2337
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 2: a game is played. But you're right, what we've seen

2338
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 2: from Dion is an ability to win at a smaller

2339
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,360
Speaker 2: level with great talent, like a Travis Hunter, for example,

2340
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 2: and then the ability to slowly, well not really slowly,

2341
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 2: more rapidly than you would think, turn around this Colorado program.

2342
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 2: But now Shadur is leaving, and also the Heisman Trophy

2343
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 2: winner just left as well, and so Dion he may

2344
01:56:58,080 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 2: have to take a step back before he's able to

2345
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 2: take a step forward. I guess we'll see. But the

2346
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 2: question is how happy is he going to be if

2347
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 2: there is, you know, a couple wins less this year

2348
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 2: than there was last year, and then what if that

2349
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 2: sticks around for another year? And even if Colorado fans

2350
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 2: are fairly satiated by that, they're satisfied by that because

2351
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 2: they're used to so much worse, how much fun is

2352
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 2: that going to be for Dion? That's the question is

2353
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 2: when they're really bad, how much is Dion gonna want

2354
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 2: to be around during that timeframe? Or is that when

2355
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 2: maybe another job becomes more enticing if it's I don't know,

2356
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 2: his alma mater, or if it's something in the NFL

2357
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:44,200
Speaker 2: that makes sense, I don't know. But the other side

2358
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 2: of that is how many jobs are gonna come calling

2359
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 2: if that does happen, and they do take a step back,

2360
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 2: So you're right, like I think there's definitely some pressure

2361
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 2: on him to prove who he is without some of

2362
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,919
Speaker 2: the guys that have been with him from the beginning.

2363
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:04,440
Speaker 1: And it's interesting they have a five star quarterback, Julian

2364
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: Lewis Juju. Everyone tells them Juju committed. I got to

2365
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:10,160
Speaker 1: spend some time with Juju last summer at the Rivals

2366
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 1: five star camp, and there's a group of quarterbacks coming

2367
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,720
Speaker 1: into college football that are incredible. He's one of them.

2368
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:19,879
Speaker 1: So obviously they get a home run replacement for Shadure.

2369
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 1: But I love when you're talking about sort of where

2370
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 1: Colorado is for Colorado, the university and for Colorado fans.

2371
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 1: The question is at what point do do the expectations recalibrate?

2372
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned earlier the worst thing to be stuck

2373
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 1: in is this level of mediocrity where you're always you're

2374
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,040
Speaker 1: not bad enough to move up in the NFL drafting,

2375
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: you're not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Well,

2376
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 1: the question is when you pay fifty four million dollars

2377
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:48,080
Speaker 1: to a coach, are you going to be happy with

2378
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,040
Speaker 1: second place in the Big twelve? Or are you going

2379
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 1: to be happy not making the College Football Playoff? Like?

2380
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 1: Is that the new line in the sand for Colorado football? Now?

2381
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't think necessarily this year it will be. I think,

2382
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, Colorado fans still have a pretty good understanding,

2383
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: But I don't think five years fifty four million dollars

2384
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:09,720
Speaker 1: buys patience. And it's amazing to me how quickly the

2385
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 1: Bengals fans are living this right now, right like they

2386
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 1: sucked for an entire generation and now they're sitting here saying, well,

2387
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 1: how are we going to win a Super Bowl? Like

2388
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: it's not good enough, you know what I mean. So

2389
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 1: the question just becomes what happens for Colorado moving forward,

2390
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 1: not just for the program, but also for the expectation

2391
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 1: the fans will have. Speaking of expectations, we had high,

2392
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:33,840
Speaker 1: lofty expectations for this year's NCAA tournament. After last night,

2393
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 1: it is clearer than ever that those expectations are being

2394
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:38,920
Speaker 1: met and this poises itself to be maybe one of

2395
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 1: the best tournaments of all time. I'll explain next on

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Speaker 1: the Fellas Fox Sports Radio. You're listening to Fox Sports

2397
01:59:45,320 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 1: Radio Radio. Every single number one seed is still alive

2398
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 1: in the Elite eight. Three out of four number two

2399
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:58,880
Speaker 1: seeds are still alive in the Elite EIDs. In fact,

2400
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 1: the closest this thing we've got to a Cinderella is

2401
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 1: a three seed Texas Tech team that nobody's surprised to

2402
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:09,840
Speaker 1: see where they are. That's the sort of tournament we

2403
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 1: have gotten so far. That is the madness that March

2404
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:16,480
Speaker 1: has given us. And if you love college basketball, or

2405
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:19,400
Speaker 1: even if you're just tuning in as a casual watching

2406
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:23,440
Speaker 1: it go down, it's great for the sport. So fellas

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, He's Jason Martin, I'm Jason Fitz.

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Speaker 1: buying should be jamart I often make the case that

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Speaker 1: big playoff moments spectacles are not for the diehards, Like

2414
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:50,320
Speaker 1: the diehards are gonna be there no matter what. And

2415
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 1: if you are a massive college football fan, you're gonna

2416
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 1: watch the college football playoff no matter what it gives

2417
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:57,920
Speaker 1: you if you're a massive baseball fan, you're gonna watch

2418
02:00:57,960 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 1: the World Series, no matter what it gives you. In fact,

2419
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:02,680
Speaker 1: I cover a lot of women's college basketball too, and

2420
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:05,240
Speaker 1: so if you were around that sport, you're gonna watch

2421
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:07,920
Speaker 1: march madness on the women's side, no matter what it

2422
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: gives you. But march madness in the tournament isn't for

2423
02:01:11,240 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 1: the diehards, because the die hards are always gonna be there.

2424
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:16,600
Speaker 1: It's for everybody else to flock to it. And that's

2425
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:19,720
Speaker 1: why I think it's important no matter what the sport is,

2426
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:23,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about that in the biggest moments, you get

2427
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:27,040
Speaker 1: the best games, not just the best drama leading up

2428
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:30,680
Speaker 1: to it, not just the best storyline Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

2429
02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 1: But when you actually tip off, you need great basketball.

2430
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:36,360
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here right now with Sports Center on

2431
02:01:36,360 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 1: the TV in the background as we do this, and

2432
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm watching the highlights of Ole Miss Michigan State from

2433
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:44,040
Speaker 1: last night. I'm thinking about an epic ending for Houston

2434
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 1: last night, and I'm thinking about the quality of basketball

2435
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:49,080
Speaker 1: that we saw over the course of the night. And

2436
02:01:49,160 --> 02:01:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can say that it's not

2437
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 1: a massive win for college basketball to get the best teams,

2438
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:57,680
Speaker 1: the biggest brands, the biggest programs, all showing up and

2439
02:01:57,720 --> 02:02:00,560
Speaker 1: showing out in this tournament, all the way into the elite.

2440
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, we said this off the top

2441
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 2: of the program, and it's just true that while the

2442
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:13,160
Speaker 2: tournament the madness is all about Cinderella, what we ultimately

2443
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:16,160
Speaker 2: want is what we have right now. We want these brands,

2444
02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 2: we want this talent let And I said this to

2445
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:23,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Torres, my partner on Saturday nights. I said this

2446
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,800
Speaker 2: to him towards the end of the regular season. I said,

2447
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't know where it is, but I'm really really

2448
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 2: excited for this tournament this year because I've caught myself

2449
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:35,360
Speaker 2: watching more college basketball than in the last handful of years,

2450
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:37,640
Speaker 2: where I've just been kind of pulling other directions. Again,

2451
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:40,600
Speaker 2: I grew up on Tobaco Roads, so the college basketball

2452
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:43,800
Speaker 2: was everything, and it just the sport hadn't felt the

2453
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:46,640
Speaker 2: same for a while, but this year it just felt

2454
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:49,600
Speaker 2: like the level of play from a number of teams

2455
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,280
Speaker 2: was so much higher, Like the games were better, there

2456
02:02:52,360 --> 02:02:54,720
Speaker 2: was more drama involved, but there also just seemed to

2457
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:58,320
Speaker 2: be more talent, and so I wanted to see this

2458
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 2: tournament because I felt like there were a number of

2459
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 2: teams that I felt like could win it that would

2460
02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 2: be deserving champions, and Torres, to his credit, came back

2461
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:10,880
Speaker 2: and said, yeah, the level at the top is higher

2462
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 2: than it's been in many, many years. The bottom has

2463
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:18,360
Speaker 2: fallen out, and that's what we've seen. And here's the thing,

2464
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 2: whether or not it's kind to say as a sports fan,

2465
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, because as long as the top

2466
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 2: is great, we're gonna be okay. As long as we've

2467
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,800
Speaker 2: got something to root for, as long as we've got

2468
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 2: the top flight athletes playing guys that we're also gonna

2469
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,520
Speaker 2: be able to see and say, man, what's that guy

2470
02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:43,720
Speaker 2: gonna be on the next level. But at the same time,

2471
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:46,040
Speaker 2: even a guy like you know, Jenni Broome, who I

2472
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 2: don't know what his NBA future is going to look like,

2473
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:52,480
Speaker 2: but what he has done this year at Auburn, for example,

2474
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:57,080
Speaker 2: it just creates a level of interest and curiosity because

2475
02:03:57,120 --> 02:03:59,880
Speaker 2: you're watching what you know as you're seeing is just

2476
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 2: this is very high level basketball being played in all

2477
02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:06,880
Speaker 2: of these games, and it's just it's a joy to

2478
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:09,480
Speaker 2: watch because that's what we watch for right. We watch

2479
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:14,280
Speaker 2: because sports is our superheroes. Superheroes aren't real, but the

2480
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:17,480
Speaker 2: closest thing that we really have to what a superhero

2481
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,840
Speaker 2: could do is what we see athletes do. And we

2482
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:23,040
Speaker 2: get to see them on the highest level and guys

2483
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:28,040
Speaker 2: that we know are really great at this. You can't

2484
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:30,280
Speaker 2: give me enough of that. You can force feed me

2485
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:33,040
Speaker 2: that forever, and I will voluntarily just say you keep

2486
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,960
Speaker 2: it going. You don't have to force it, just keep

2487
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 2: bringing another one to the table. Just like Ron Swanson said,

2488
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm on parks and Recreation. I want all the bacon

2489
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,880
Speaker 2: and eggs that you have. That doesn't mean a lot

2490
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,480
Speaker 2: of bacon and eggs. I mean all the bacon and

2491
02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:46,240
Speaker 2: eggs that you have.

2492
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:51,560
Speaker 1: God, I love that. And there is this I keep

2493
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:56,040
Speaker 1: thinking about sort of what this all means for college

2494
02:04:56,080 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 1: basketball now moving forward. And I hear people when they say,

2495
02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, nil and transfer portal killing college sports. That

2496
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:07,880
Speaker 1: feels like yelling get off my lawn to me. We

2497
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,160
Speaker 1: see right now for the elite programs. And I you know,

2498
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:13,440
Speaker 1: when I was prepping the tournament this year for Yahoo,

2499
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:15,440
Speaker 1: our editor came in and said, I need your cinderelic

2500
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 1: because they were building graphics. So who's the Cinderella pick

2501
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna put on your graphic And I said, I

2502
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:22,560
Speaker 1: don't think there's going to be one this year. I

2503
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:25,280
Speaker 1: don't see anybody lower than a six that even has

2504
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:28,840
Speaker 1: a chance at making it through. And they gave me

2505
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:30,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of grief for there and kind to

2506
02:05:30,280 --> 02:05:33,880
Speaker 1: pick somebody to me. This year, it stood out that

2507
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 1: the top twelve teams in the country, the top ten

2508
02:05:36,760 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 1: teams in the country were clearly better. Now you have

2509
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:42,240
Speaker 1: depth because of that, Like you have all of this

2510
02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:46,120
Speaker 1: conversation about the transfer portal Nil, well, you do have

2511
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 1: schools that are able to build deep rosters, which is

2512
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:53,080
Speaker 1: an incredible thing, and you have players that are playing

2513
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:55,320
Speaker 1: together in a way that I think it's fun to watch.

2514
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:58,600
Speaker 1: We hear complaints constantly about what modern basketball looks like

2515
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:01,919
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I don't feel that the college basketball

2516
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:04,760
Speaker 1: game looks anything like that. So I find myself for

2517
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, not really worried

2518
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:10,960
Speaker 1: about whether Jenni Broom has pro prospects. I just really

2519
02:06:11,040 --> 02:06:14,440
Speaker 1: like watching the way that Auburn plays basketball as a team,

2520
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:17,640
Speaker 1: and I like how with these games you still have

2521
02:06:17,720 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 1: such a need for running set plays and set offenses.

2522
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 1: It feels that the game feels electric to me at

2523
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:26,880
Speaker 1: this point. And so you know, frankly, when I look

2524
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 1: around and think about the bottom of it, I don't

2525
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:32,920
Speaker 1: I just don't care as much. Like so, if all

2526
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,360
Speaker 1: of this is bad for the prospects of you know,

2527
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, using a Nashville example of Belmont basketball, ultimately,

2528
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:43,600
Speaker 1: how many people really care? And that's just being blunt.

2529
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:45,880
Speaker 1: And I know Belmont fans, all three of them are

2530
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,640
Speaker 1: gonna be to hate to hear that. But at this point,

2531
02:06:49,680 --> 02:06:52,040
Speaker 1: you want to have a successful basketball team, the great

2532
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:54,160
Speaker 1: news is you can. Like I'll go back to my

2533
02:06:54,280 --> 02:06:57,080
Speaker 1: UNLV days growing up. If UNLV really wants to have

2534
02:06:57,120 --> 02:06:59,800
Speaker 1: a juggernaut of a basketball team, all they need to

2535
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:01,880
Speaker 1: do is find the right donors that are willing to

2536
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 1: spend the right amount of money. It's much cheaper to

2537
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,400
Speaker 1: do than it is football. There's less players, so you know,

2538
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:08,560
Speaker 1: you got to spend the money the right way. Obviously,

2539
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 1: teams like Baylor and Kansas didn't do that this year.

2540
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:13,440
Speaker 1: They spent money, but it didn't work. But I love

2541
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:15,600
Speaker 1: the empowerment of all right, you want to be relevant

2542
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:20,200
Speaker 1: in college basketball? Cool raise the money. Like it's really simple. Now,

2543
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:22,560
Speaker 1: you want to be great in college basketball, find the

2544
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:24,480
Speaker 1: donors that will pay for it. If you can't find

2545
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:26,480
Speaker 1: the donors that will pay for it, then you won't

2546
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 1: be great in college basketball. And that's that's really up

2547
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,400
Speaker 1: to you. Like, look in the mirror. You want to

2548
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:31,480
Speaker 1: figure it out, figure it out.

2549
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's something to that. I think there's

2550
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:38,520
Speaker 2: also something too, you know, you don't have to worry

2551
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 2: about as much Jani Broom and what he's gonna do

2552
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 2: in the NBA because he has the opportunity to actually,

2553
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:50,400
Speaker 2: you know, get paid. He has the opportunity to this

2554
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:53,680
Speaker 2: thing that we've enjoyed watching him do, this thing that

2555
02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:57,120
Speaker 2: has made his university a good bit of money, can

2556
02:07:57,160 --> 02:08:00,160
Speaker 2: actually benefit him without him. Yeah, maybe he's not going

2557
02:08:00,240 --> 02:08:02,840
Speaker 2: to make the nine figure contract or something like that

2558
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:06,120
Speaker 2: in the NBA, but he's actually making something now off

2559
02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:08,400
Speaker 2: of his skill at this level. And I think that

2560
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:12,440
Speaker 2: that changes the game as well. Now is it the

2561
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:15,320
Speaker 2: same college athletics that used to be? No, And I'm

2562
02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:18,680
Speaker 2: still a traditionalist in a lot of ways there, but

2563
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:23,760
Speaker 2: there's a difference between really kind of wanting the upsets

2564
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:27,080
Speaker 2: at the early part of the tournament and then the

2565
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:30,080
Speaker 2: results of those upsets after the fact. In a vacuum,

2566
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:35,320
Speaker 2: the upset is great, The upset is fantastic in a vacuum.

2567
02:08:35,480 --> 02:08:38,720
Speaker 2: Unc Wilmington knocking off Maryland the year that they won

2568
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:41,920
Speaker 2: the championship under Gary Williams and that Wan Dixon, Lonnie

2569
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:47,560
Speaker 2: Baxter Drew Nicholas team, that would have been an incredible finish.

2570
02:08:47,800 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 2: But in the real world, Nicholas hitting the walk off

2571
02:08:51,640 --> 02:08:54,480
Speaker 2: three and walking off that floor and then Maryland going

2572
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:57,080
Speaker 2: to finish it as the juggernaut that they were that year,

2573
02:08:57,960 --> 02:09:00,800
Speaker 2: that was better. We got to see Maryland go through

2574
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:04,160
Speaker 2: the rest of that tournament. In the moment, the Wilmington

2575
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:07,600
Speaker 2: win would have been incredible, But we're not about one moment.

2576
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:11,480
Speaker 2: We're about an entire tournament. There's other games that then

2577
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 2: have to be played after the fact, And I just

2578
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:19,280
Speaker 2: don't believe that the vast majority of people watching are

2579
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:23,440
Speaker 2: going to be nearly as invested in Loyola Chicago as

2580
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:27,440
Speaker 2: they are in Kansas, in Kentucky, in Duke, either for

2581
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:30,760
Speaker 2: love or hate reasons. But it doesn't matter. It all

2582
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:31,880
Speaker 2: turns green in the end.

2583
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:36,320
Speaker 1: Well said by East Jason Martin, I'm Jason fitz It

2584
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:42,280
Speaker 1: is at the very least something you have to be

2585
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:45,880
Speaker 1: aware of that your final four, your championship game, your

2586
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,960
Speaker 1: biggest moment. There are so many people that don't watch

2587
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:51,520
Speaker 1: your sport otherwise other than that one moment. And look,

2588
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:54,600
Speaker 1: one of the most popular narratives of all time is

2589
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 1: whatever generation we're in, Saturday Night Life sucks. That's what

2590
02:09:57,600 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 1: everybody says, like, oh, it was better when I was

2591
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:01,000
Speaker 1: a Kain, We all know that. Like, so when I

2592
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:03,560
Speaker 1: was a kid, a little kid watching like the Dana

2593
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:06,600
Speaker 1: Carvey years, which were transformative to me, my parents are like,

2594
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:08,680
Speaker 1: oh it sucks now, it was better, you know. And

2595
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:10,720
Speaker 1: then when I was watching the you know, the next

2596
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:12,720
Speaker 1: ten years later, I'm like, I don't know this. I

2597
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:14,920
Speaker 1: like the Dana Carvey, John Love It's pel Hartman cass

2598
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,360
Speaker 1: better and then the Will Ferrell people looked at the

2599
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:20,200
Speaker 1: next generation said it started like this happens every single time.

2600
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:22,640
Speaker 1: The one of the funniest things to me now is

2601
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:25,480
Speaker 1: you have all these people coming in and saying, Saturday

2602
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:29,240
Speaker 1: Night Life sucks. I haven't watched it in years. Okay, Well,

2603
02:10:29,240 --> 02:10:31,000
Speaker 1: if you haven't watched it in years, then how do

2604
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 1: you know it sucks, Like I just the reality of

2605
02:10:34,240 --> 02:10:37,280
Speaker 1: it is. Now you get one or two minutes and

2606
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:39,920
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna make a sweeping generalization on the quality of

2607
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 1: your product overall. So a championship game between two cinderellas,

2608
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:47,360
Speaker 1: it's not particularly great basketball, but was a great story. Man,

2609
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:49,360
Speaker 1: all that's going to do is feed a narrative that

2610
02:10:49,480 --> 02:10:52,840
Speaker 1: college basketball is broken and it stinks. A championship game

2611
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 1: like we have the shot at getting this year. Like

2612
02:10:54,680 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 1: if you tell me that we're getting Duke versus Auburn,

2613
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:01,120
Speaker 1: or Duke versus Michigan State, or you know versus Florida,

2614
02:11:01,200 --> 02:11:02,920
Speaker 1: that's so good. You tell me we're getting that in

2615
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:05,280
Speaker 1: the championship game. You know what we're getting not only

2616
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:09,000
Speaker 1: a great story, but an absolutely incredible basketball game. And

2617
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:11,280
Speaker 1: I do think that at some point, for the longevity

2618
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 1: of the narratives around the sport, that absolutely has to matter.

2619
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,560
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about the everything around it, but

2620
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,320
Speaker 1: coming up, there's one real reason why who the best

2621
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,880
Speaker 1: team in college basketball is is wildly clear to me.

2622
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:27,400
Speaker 1: We'll tell you about it next. It's the Fellas on

2623
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,800
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. He's Jason Martin, I'm Jason.

2624
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:33,440
Speaker 3: Fitz Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup

2625
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 3: in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports

2626
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:40,920
Speaker 3: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR

2627
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:44,240
Speaker 3: to listen live, So Fellas.

2628
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:48,280
Speaker 1: On Fox Sports Radio. Jason Martin sitting in for Anthony Gargano.

2629
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Fitz. Shortly after the show, our podcast will

2630
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:53,720
Speaker 1: be going up. If you missed any of today's show,

2631
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:55,720
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2632
02:11:55,720 --> 02:11:58,000
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2633
02:11:58,040 --> 02:12:00,720
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2634
02:12:00,760 --> 02:12:03,400
Speaker 1: Sports Radio where you get your podcast, and you will

2635
02:12:03,400 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 1: see this show posted right after we get off the air.

2636
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:11,680
Speaker 1: It's because producer Breed does absolutely perfect work Rihanna and

2637
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:15,040
Speaker 1: then obviously Mighty Mark doing God's work on the show.

2638
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:18,040
Speaker 1: We'll get back to the NCAA tournament a quick second,

2639
02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:19,640
Speaker 1: but I got to give Mighty Mark a shout out.

2640
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:22,280
Speaker 1: We were talking about baseball earlier, Mighty Mark, our level

2641
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:25,240
Speaker 1: of excitement as we are now in like Opening Day

2642
02:12:25,240 --> 02:12:28,040
Speaker 1: has happened. And by the way, the numbers on opening

2643
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:30,160
Speaker 1: Day were pretty staggering. It feels like the world might

2644
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:32,000
Speaker 1: be paying attention how we feel in Mighty.

2645
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:37,320
Speaker 4: Mark, very happy, love baseball is mine number one. So

2646
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:41,360
Speaker 4: I'm just happy just to see. I love the strategy and

2647
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:44,600
Speaker 4: this the head games of baseball. So I'm a big

2648
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:46,120
Speaker 4: fan of baseball.

2649
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:50,400
Speaker 1: As a lifelong diehard Dodgers fan since they won the

2650
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,840
Speaker 1: World Series last year, because that's really when I became

2651
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:54,960
Speaker 1: my lifelong diet. I gotta find a winning team to

2652
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:58,040
Speaker 1: root for somewhere the Dodgers four and zero at this point,

2653
02:12:58,120 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, they won a World Series. Like look, well,

2654
02:13:00,440 --> 02:13:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if I'm gonna pick a team, you know, jamar, Like,

2655
02:13:03,240 --> 02:13:05,360
Speaker 1: I've lived my life just getting kicked in the no

2656
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:07,920
Speaker 1: no places by my beloved Raiders, Like, I gotta have

2657
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:10,480
Speaker 1: something positive to root for. So if I'm gonna hop

2658
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:13,080
Speaker 1: on a bandwagon, and I'm definitely gonna go bandwagon hopping,

2659
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:14,040
Speaker 1: why not the Dodgers.

2660
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 2: Well that's fine. If you don't have a team, you go,

2661
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,520
Speaker 2: you go right ahead and you grab that. I mean,

2662
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:24,520
Speaker 2: I'm a Braves fan and have been since I can't

2663
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:27,680
Speaker 2: even tell you, probably nineteen eighty two, somewhere in that

2664
02:13:27,720 --> 02:13:31,160
Speaker 2: neighborhood when I started scoring games with my dad. We're

2665
02:13:31,200 --> 02:13:32,960
Speaker 2: owing to right now. It's all right. We got a

2666
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:35,600
Speaker 2: tough start like we gotta we gotta deal with San

2667
02:13:35,680 --> 02:13:38,400
Speaker 2: Diego in their building, and then we got to play

2668
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:41,839
Speaker 2: four against the Dodgers after that fact to start the season,

2669
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 2: and bullpen's my Dodgers, You mean my Dodgers gohead your

2670
02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:47,839
Speaker 2: Dodgers of six months?

2671
02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2672
02:13:49,160 --> 02:13:52,480
Speaker 2: Have you even pulled the tags, the price tags off

2673
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:54,240
Speaker 2: of the merchandise that you have bought yet?

2674
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,160
Speaker 1: No, I'm waiting until the World Series merch goes on sale,

2675
02:13:57,200 --> 02:13:59,520
Speaker 1: and That's what I'm gonna buy, so that that's even

2676
02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:01,520
Speaker 1: like a look I'm frugal, right, I'm gonna buy World

2677
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 1: Series merch and then wear that around it and parade it.

2678
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:04,880
Speaker 2: I know.

2679
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:07,200
Speaker 1: So I've been torn on this because I grew up

2680
02:14:07,240 --> 02:14:09,880
Speaker 1: in Vegas as a kid, and the Dodgers actually were

2681
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:13,280
Speaker 1: the baseball team in the area, pretty pretty locked in.

2682
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:15,360
Speaker 1: But baseball was never a big deal to my family,

2683
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:18,000
Speaker 1: And so it's funny I decided a couple of years ago,

2684
02:14:18,040 --> 02:14:20,160
Speaker 1: I really want to pick a baseball team and make

2685
02:14:20,200 --> 02:14:22,120
Speaker 1: that like a passionate thing for me. I want to

2686
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:25,760
Speaker 1: deep dive into it. But I root for anything that

2687
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:28,760
Speaker 1: comes through Vegas, and I keep waiting for the either

2688
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:30,440
Speaker 1: the A's move, which I think is going to fall

2689
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 1: apart and not actually happen, or an expansion team to

2690
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:34,360
Speaker 1: come to Vegas, which is also going to lead to

2691
02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:36,960
Speaker 1: bad baseball. Either way, I feel like I'm really setting

2692
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:40,800
Speaker 1: myself up for an abject disaster. But it's hard for

2693
02:14:40,840 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 1: me to get too aligned into anything when I presume

2694
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:45,880
Speaker 1: that you know, the city that I love going to

2695
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,240
Speaker 1: that you know, I still consider like from my childhood,

2696
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:51,400
Speaker 1: my home. You know, Nashville and Vegas are the two

2697
02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:54,200
Speaker 1: cities that define me, and neither has a baseball team.

2698
02:14:54,240 --> 02:14:57,240
Speaker 1: So you know, I feel like it's it's a little

2699
02:14:57,240 --> 02:15:00,880
Speaker 1: disingenuous to take up a leaning towards team when I'm

2700
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:02,800
Speaker 1: gonna jump ship just in a couple of years when

2701
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:05,680
Speaker 1: my one of my cities actually gets a team.

2702
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, I mean, but I mean, you're

2703
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,000
Speaker 2: gonna get the Aes, right.

2704
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,520
Speaker 1: That's what. Maybe I'm just hoping that I don't somehow,

2705
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:16,760
Speaker 1: maybe that's the Maybe the reason I'm not picking is

2706
02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:19,600
Speaker 1: because there's just no reason to pick the A's. I like, again,

2707
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:22,160
Speaker 1: I already deal with one awful team in my life.

2708
02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't need to deal with too, especially baseball season,

2709
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:27,160
Speaker 1: because then you're getting kicked in the no nos every

2710
02:15:27,160 --> 02:15:29,520
Speaker 1: two days, Like every two days. It's like, there we

2711
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:32,320
Speaker 1: go every year. It's four game series, so I'm gonna

2712
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:34,840
Speaker 1: get kicked four times this week. It's just that doesn't

2713
02:15:34,840 --> 02:15:35,440
Speaker 1: sound like fun.

2714
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:38,920
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I will tell you though, once you

2715
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:41,400
Speaker 2: pick a team, it is fun. Like I mean, I

2716
02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:44,840
Speaker 2: follow the Braids very very closely. I listened to him

2717
02:15:44,840 --> 02:15:47,360
Speaker 2: on the I get the I have the d MLB

2718
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:49,640
Speaker 2: radio app so I can listen to the radio feed.

2719
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:51,240
Speaker 2: And then of course we I live in a place

2720
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:53,919
Speaker 2: where I can actually watch all the Braze games. Thankfully,

2721
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:56,560
Speaker 2: even though these antiquated blackout rules have got to go

2722
02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:59,960
Speaker 2: in all sports. We gotta make this. It's twenty twenty five.

2723
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:02,840
Speaker 2: We got to move on. But yeah, like, if you

2724
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:04,920
Speaker 2: deep dive into it and you actually stick with it

2725
02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:07,120
Speaker 2: and maybe even pick a podcast or two for your

2726
02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:09,800
Speaker 2: favorite team, it does help. It really does, and you

2727
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:13,480
Speaker 2: start to care more about the league writ large when

2728
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:14,480
Speaker 2: you do that as well.

2729
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:17,640
Speaker 1: So I'm you're asking me to listen to like you

2730
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 1: want me to watch three, four and twenty two games

2731
02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:23,360
Speaker 1: and listen to a podcast about it, Like it's most

2732
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:24,960
Speaker 1: too much of a time investment for me.

2733
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:28,080
Speaker 2: Come on, Well, look man, it's seven days. The Braves

2734
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:31,800
Speaker 2: are opening up with seven games in seven days, so yeah,

2735
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:34,360
Speaker 2: there's always something. But I mean the podcast recap would

2736
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 2: be like thirty minutes or something like that, and hey,

2737
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:41,959
Speaker 2: there's only so much Lakers talk I can tolerate. Like

2738
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:45,200
Speaker 2: there's there's only so much Dallas Cowboys talk that I

2739
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:48,840
Speaker 2: can tolerate personally, So I go to my fandom when

2740
02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:52,280
Speaker 2: I want to move on from that spot. Like I am,

2741
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:55,200
Speaker 2: I am wired a little bit differently in that I

2742
02:16:55,240 --> 02:16:57,360
Speaker 2: want to listen to my Daily Hammer podcast and I

2743
02:16:57,440 --> 02:17:00,720
Speaker 2: want to, you know, do those things each to stay

2744
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:03,160
Speaker 2: up and also just because it's just kind of part

2745
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,160
Speaker 2: of being a fan. I want to know what's going on.

2746
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:07,640
Speaker 2: I also want to understand the game a little bit better.

2747
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:10,680
Speaker 2: And to that end, this year, I picked up MLB

2748
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:13,200
Speaker 2: The Show twenty five and I also picked up the

2749
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:18,000
Speaker 2: Japanese Baseball Game for PS five that was released in

2750
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:22,880
Speaker 2: the winter, and I like, I'm like all in, I

2751
02:17:22,920 --> 02:17:26,080
Speaker 2: want to care even more this year about baseball. I

2752
02:17:26,120 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of become something that can always be

2753
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:31,080
Speaker 2: on in the background of whatever is going on. I

2754
02:17:31,080 --> 02:17:32,840
Speaker 2: don't know how much time you can actually sit and

2755
02:17:32,879 --> 02:17:36,160
Speaker 2: focus on any one thing, but baseball is a great

2756
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:37,400
Speaker 2: second screen experience.

2757
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the video game portion of this, like I

2758
02:17:40,920 --> 02:17:43,560
Speaker 1: shout out to that, like it really helps with the prep.

2759
02:17:43,800 --> 02:17:46,039
Speaker 1: The number of times that I've found it's it's And

2760
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:50,240
Speaker 1: I laughed because I realize I've used that for years,

2761
02:17:50,600 --> 02:17:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, for hockey in general, Like you can just

2762
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:55,320
Speaker 1: go out and play the NHL game and get a

2763
02:17:55,320 --> 02:17:57,680
Speaker 1: real sense of you know, you'll forget if you especially

2764
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:00,000
Speaker 1: haven't paid attention. You're like, oh, this guy's on that. Okay, yeah,

2765
02:18:00,040 --> 02:18:02,280
Speaker 1: I got that now. I found myself when I bought

2766
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:04,720
Speaker 1: the college football video game, it was like, oh, this

2767
02:18:04,879 --> 02:18:07,640
Speaker 1: is so nice. It's such a better way in my brain.

2768
02:18:08,040 --> 02:18:11,760
Speaker 1: My brain responds to prepping that way far better. Just

2769
02:18:11,879 --> 02:18:13,920
Speaker 1: being able to listen to what feels like a broadcast

2770
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,959
Speaker 1: while I play a bunch of fake games with a

2771
02:18:15,959 --> 02:18:18,000
Speaker 1: bunch of different teams gives me a better sense of

2772
02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:21,200
Speaker 1: who's where and just helps me with basic pronunciation and

2773
02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:23,000
Speaker 1: all sorts of Like there's a lot of prep that

2774
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:25,040
Speaker 1: actually comes from the video game version of this. So

2775
02:18:25,320 --> 02:18:28,560
Speaker 1: I love it, And look, I'll be consistent as you know.

2776
02:18:28,680 --> 02:18:31,600
Speaker 1: You know, I got my start in radio. Was it

2777
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:34,120
Speaker 1: the one or two five the game in the ESPN

2778
02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:37,000
Speaker 1: station in Nashville that was the flagship for the Preds.

2779
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,520
Speaker 1: And the thing that I struggled with the most there

2780
02:18:39,959 --> 02:18:42,920
Speaker 1: as a hockey lover. The thing that I struggled with

2781
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:45,200
Speaker 1: the most is how do I give meaning to a

2782
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:49,360
Speaker 1: regular season hockey game in November that, you know, it

2783
02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:52,160
Speaker 1: just doesn't mean that much. You know, it's just, if

2784
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:54,880
Speaker 1: we're being honest, the third line, defense and pairings in November,

2785
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't care. And so that the struggle is real

2786
02:18:58,600 --> 02:19:02,280
Speaker 1: for marathon seasons, especially because so much of the work

2787
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 1: we do is in football. So you know, just trying

2788
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:08,040
Speaker 1: to find the space to care about college basketball, even

2789
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:11,039
Speaker 1: a sport that I am passionate about, but it's hard

2790
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:14,160
Speaker 1: to be passionate about college basketball. And you know, November third,

2791
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:18,720
Speaker 1: when I've got sixteen and NFL games to watch and

2792
02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:21,360
Speaker 1: at least a dozen college football games to go over,

2793
02:19:21,440 --> 02:19:23,960
Speaker 1: it's just I find my brain doesn't have the equity

2794
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:26,600
Speaker 1: in it for it sometimes. So you know, it's it's

2795
02:19:26,640 --> 02:19:30,360
Speaker 1: consistent for me, whether it's college basketball, hockey, or now baseball,

2796
02:19:30,400 --> 02:19:32,840
Speaker 1: that it's hard to pay attention early in the season.

2797
02:19:32,840 --> 02:19:35,040
Speaker 2: To me, Yeah, well, look, the reason why is because

2798
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:37,320
Speaker 2: there's so many games, Like, it's different, Like you have

2799
02:19:37,400 --> 02:19:40,160
Speaker 2: to pay attention to the NFL because everything is razor sharp.

2800
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:43,720
Speaker 2: It's all about wins and losses and nothing else. And

2801
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:48,600
Speaker 2: past that, it's seventeen games. It's completely different than one

2802
02:19:48,680 --> 02:19:51,840
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two or even eighty two. When you

2803
02:19:51,879 --> 02:19:53,720
Speaker 2: look at something like hockey or when you look at

2804
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:56,720
Speaker 2: the NBA, it's a much bigger piece of the pie,

2805
02:19:56,959 --> 02:19:58,800
Speaker 2: so you have to pay attention. College football is the

2806
02:19:59,240 --> 02:20:02,440
Speaker 2: best example. College basketball is issue. They only play, you know,

2807
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:05,840
Speaker 2: thirty ish games a year, depending on the school, But

2808
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:09,880
Speaker 2: it's hard to get invested in a game in November

2809
02:20:10,040 --> 02:20:11,800
Speaker 2: when you know both teams are gonna end up in

2810
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:14,400
Speaker 2: the tournament in the end. Anyway, Like, because there's so

2811
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:18,800
Speaker 2: many teams that are allowed into the postseason tournament, most

2812
02:20:18,840 --> 02:20:22,080
Speaker 2: of the regular season games don't have near the impact

2813
02:20:22,440 --> 02:20:24,680
Speaker 2: as they once did. If you've got sixty eight teams,

2814
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:28,520
Speaker 2: Induke and North Carolina play, there's a rivalry there, so

2815
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:32,720
Speaker 2: you pay attention to it. But ultimately, no, generally speaking,

2816
02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:35,200
Speaker 2: Duke and North Carolina are both going to be in

2817
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:37,240
Speaker 2: the NCAA Tournament this year. It might have been a

2818
02:20:37,240 --> 02:20:39,840
Speaker 2: bit different, But that, to me is kind of the

2819
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:43,480
Speaker 2: challenge for college basketball. But yeah, like when you get

2820
02:20:43,480 --> 02:20:44,959
Speaker 2: to the early part of that, you have to make

2821
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:48,640
Speaker 2: the choice. You have to willfully choose that you are

2822
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:52,160
Speaker 2: going to stay up and pay attention to what's going on,

2823
02:20:52,280 --> 02:20:54,360
Speaker 2: even if it's just reading an article because you can't

2824
02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:57,040
Speaker 2: watch the game that day or whatever it is. You

2825
02:20:57,080 --> 02:20:59,959
Speaker 2: have to actually make that decision and make that time,

2826
02:21:00,480 --> 02:21:02,400
Speaker 2: and you have to understand that it's going to be

2827
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:04,959
Speaker 2: a journey along the way, like you're reading a very

2828
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:09,200
Speaker 2: very long book as opposed to a quick magazine or

2829
02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:13,480
Speaker 2: something like that, or just just some article somewhere. It changes,

2830
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:16,039
Speaker 2: it changes, and that's why college football in the NFL,

2831
02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:19,360
Speaker 2: to me, reigns supreme. One of the biggest reasons is

2832
02:21:19,400 --> 02:21:22,800
Speaker 2: because of how few there is, like there's so much

2833
02:21:22,920 --> 02:21:26,160
Speaker 2: less of it that each game feels like it means

2834
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:26,920
Speaker 2: so much more.

2835
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:31,080
Speaker 1: And to that end, you know, when you start thinking

2836
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:34,840
Speaker 1: about the even the proposal that apparently is going to

2837
02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:37,640
Speaker 1: get some at least some conversation this week of going

2838
02:21:37,720 --> 02:21:41,200
Speaker 1: to eighteen games, even going to eighteen, and you know, heck,

2839
02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:43,480
Speaker 1: if they eventually go to twenty, that's still such a

2840
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:46,480
Speaker 1: different inventory, you're not surprised by a football game. And

2841
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:50,560
Speaker 1: when I first got to ESPN, one of the pieces

2842
02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:52,800
Speaker 1: of advice I got for covering the NBA was, man,

2843
02:21:52,879 --> 02:21:55,200
Speaker 1: start playing fantasy basketball because it really gives you a

2844
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:58,039
Speaker 1: sense of who's doing what well. And it was great advice.

2845
02:21:58,360 --> 02:22:00,600
Speaker 1: But the number of times I would log in and

2846
02:22:00,680 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 1: be like, wait, there was a game last night, Like

2847
02:22:03,720 --> 02:22:07,160
Speaker 1: it's so at some point, if we're being honest, most

2848
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:09,680
Speaker 1: of us, like in anybody listening, even if you're the

2849
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:11,480
Speaker 1: biggest NBA head in the world, Like if you're a

2850
02:22:11,480 --> 02:22:14,080
Speaker 1: basketball junkie, most of the time, you're not sitting there

2851
02:22:14,120 --> 02:22:16,800
Speaker 1: in your brain thinking a team that I don't watch

2852
02:22:16,879 --> 02:22:19,440
Speaker 1: very often that I'm not that super passionate about has

2853
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:21,720
Speaker 1: a game tonight because it's a Tuesday. Like It's just

2854
02:22:21,800 --> 02:22:24,520
Speaker 1: your brain doesn't work that way. So it was it

2855
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:27,560
Speaker 1: was surprising to me. We're so programmed to know, Man,

2856
02:22:27,879 --> 02:22:29,959
Speaker 1: it's Sunday, I gotta have my lineup in by noon,

2857
02:22:30,120 --> 02:22:32,600
Speaker 1: or man, when there's a when there's a European game,

2858
02:22:33,080 --> 02:22:34,840
Speaker 1: they tell you over and over and over again, Hey,

2859
02:22:34,879 --> 02:22:36,720
Speaker 1: got to have your lineup in early. Make sure you're

2860
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:40,560
Speaker 1: checking your lineups when you're playing fantasy basketball, it feels

2861
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:42,560
Speaker 1: like you have to check it, you know, a couple

2862
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:44,480
Speaker 1: of times a day, every single day, and it's a

2863
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:48,680
Speaker 1: huge under it. It's an investment to follow basketball to

2864
02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:51,520
Speaker 1: that level. I can't even imagine playing fantasy baseball.

2865
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I did it once, right, I did it

2866
02:22:53,800 --> 02:22:56,800
Speaker 2: in an insane way. I did a fantasy baseball league

2867
02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:59,840
Speaker 2: once with these guys, and they were going to do it.

2868
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:02,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know how serious. We fielded an entire roster,

2869
02:23:03,480 --> 02:23:07,959
Speaker 2: like I'm talking an entire bench, everything, like down to

2870
02:23:07,959 --> 02:23:09,680
Speaker 2: the line. I did this in football too, where it

2871
02:23:09,720 --> 02:23:13,280
Speaker 2: was an entire fifty two man roster of fantasy football,

2872
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:15,680
Speaker 2: and that was completely different and it took months to

2873
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:18,400
Speaker 2: draft and all sort of stuff. But the point about

2874
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:21,160
Speaker 2: baseball is like you can set your lineup at the

2875
02:23:21,240 --> 02:23:24,760
Speaker 2: beginning of the week for that entire week, your starters

2876
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:26,520
Speaker 2: and all that other stuff, but you still have to

2877
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:31,680
Speaker 2: pay attention because guys take days off, or this reliever

2878
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:34,040
Speaker 2: is actually going to be sent down an option down

2879
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:36,920
Speaker 2: to the miners. So there's all sorts of other things

2880
02:23:36,920 --> 02:23:39,720
Speaker 2: that are then going on at the same exact time,

2881
02:23:39,800 --> 02:23:42,039
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't have the time for that.

2882
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:44,920
Speaker 2: I realized that, like I wanted to play Fantasy NBA,

2883
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:46,760
Speaker 2: but I had to bail on it because I simply

2884
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:51,120
Speaker 2: could not pay attention in time. I would miss the

2885
02:23:51,480 --> 02:23:54,680
Speaker 2: cut off deadline three days a week and it would

2886
02:23:54,760 --> 02:23:56,520
Speaker 2: just put me so far behind the eight ball. It's like,

2887
02:23:56,560 --> 02:23:58,959
Speaker 2: what am I doing to myself? NFL I can actually

2888
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:01,439
Speaker 2: handle this. I cannot handle.

2889
02:24:01,879 --> 02:24:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's amazingly, you know, especially because Yahoo does

2890
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,880
Speaker 1: so much work in fantasy sports, and you know that's

2891
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:09,480
Speaker 1: where I do a lot of my work with Yahoo

2892
02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:12,240
Speaker 1: with fantasy football. I host a couple of shows there.

2893
02:24:12,280 --> 02:24:15,440
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I found myself even this year getting

2894
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:19,080
Speaker 1: into some very complicated fantasy leagues and I don't like it.

2895
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:23,480
Speaker 1: Like I want fantasy to be at its core, fun

2896
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:25,800
Speaker 1: and kind of brainless, you know. And I know that

2897
02:24:25,800 --> 02:24:29,280
Speaker 1: that's asking for a lot, but I just fantasy football

2898
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:32,960
Speaker 1: at its base should be good trash talking with your buddies,

2899
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:36,359
Speaker 1: you have a draft together, you have some food, everybody

2900
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:39,120
Speaker 1: enjoys the process, and then you trash talk in your

2901
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:41,360
Speaker 1: group text the rest of the year. And it's a blast.

2902
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:44,640
Speaker 1: When you start to get to these like convoluted rules

2903
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:48,240
Speaker 1: on rosters and limits, on different things and you start

2904
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:50,800
Speaker 1: looking at it, even the one of the keeper leagues

2905
02:24:50,840 --> 02:24:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm in, it just gets so complicated that I look

2906
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:56,920
Speaker 1: around and I think, guys, this, I want fantasy football

2907
02:24:56,959 --> 02:24:59,640
Speaker 1: to be a release, not fantasy football to be a

2908
02:24:59,640 --> 02:25:01,480
Speaker 1: pressure fild thing that I have to sit here and

2909
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:04,039
Speaker 1: like obsess over and try and figure out what the

2910
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:07,039
Speaker 1: policy is. And you know, a certain in one league

2911
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:10,480
Speaker 1: where it's just every every weird, nuanced rule that you've

2912
02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:13,000
Speaker 1: ever heard of is put into one league, And I

2913
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:16,200
Speaker 1: find myself about halfway through the year not invested in.

2914
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything with the league anymore because it's

2915
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:20,680
Speaker 1: just a pain in my butt, you know. So I

2916
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:24,879
Speaker 1: want fantasy sports to be fun and engaging and kind

2917
02:25:24,879 --> 02:25:28,280
Speaker 1: of simple, And it's almost like playing Madden on rookie modes.

2918
02:25:28,360 --> 02:25:30,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just want to have the joy of an

2919
02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:32,960
Speaker 1: easy Madden game. You don't want to necessarily have the

2920
02:25:33,240 --> 02:25:35,480
Speaker 1: wild competition. That's That's kind of where I've gotten with

2921
02:25:35,520 --> 02:25:36,720
Speaker 1: fantasy Yeah.

2922
02:25:36,760 --> 02:25:38,480
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean I feel the same way. It's

2923
02:25:38,520 --> 02:25:40,520
Speaker 2: the same way about all entertainment, right, Like, there's a

2924
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:43,800
Speaker 2: reason why popcorn blockbusters make a lot of money. There's

2925
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:45,959
Speaker 2: a reason why because people want to go watch Top

2926
02:25:45,959 --> 02:25:49,640
Speaker 2: Gun Maverick. They want to go watch I don't know why,

2927
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:51,480
Speaker 2: but some of them want to go watch the Michael

2928
02:25:51,480 --> 02:25:55,200
Speaker 2: Bay Transformers melt. It's Transformers movies and things of that nature.

2929
02:25:55,440 --> 02:25:57,800
Speaker 2: It's exactly the same way with TV, like I got

2930
02:25:57,840 --> 02:25:59,480
Speaker 2: to be in the right mood to watch mad Men,

2931
02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:03,640
Speaker 2: but I'll watch The Office all day, or I'll watch

2932
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:06,560
Speaker 2: Parks of rerec all day, or I'll watch this show

2933
02:26:06,680 --> 02:26:10,920
Speaker 2: because it's something that again it's a release, it's not

2934
02:26:10,959 --> 02:26:13,680
Speaker 2: something that's gonna be so super dramatic. I've got to

2935
02:26:13,720 --> 02:26:16,160
Speaker 2: be in the right frame of mind for all of that.

2936
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:17,320
Speaker 2: And I kind of look at that in the same

2937
02:26:17,320 --> 02:26:21,119
Speaker 2: way when it comes to fantasy. The more complicated fantasy gets,

2938
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:24,080
Speaker 2: it feels great on the surface, like, oh man, we're

2939
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:25,959
Speaker 2: gonna be in depth and we're gonna have all of

2940
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:28,280
Speaker 2: this stuff going on. It's good. Then you get to

2941
02:26:28,400 --> 02:26:31,240
Speaker 2: like week four and you're like, man, this is a drag,

2942
02:26:31,560 --> 02:26:34,840
Speaker 2: Like why am I doing this? There is no reason.

2943
02:26:34,879 --> 02:26:36,920
Speaker 2: There's no light at the end of this tunnel. There's

2944
02:26:36,920 --> 02:26:39,000
Speaker 2: no pot of gold at the end of this rainbow,

2945
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:42,200
Speaker 2: outside of maybe the fifteen bucks that I'm gonna make

2946
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:44,640
Speaker 2: from this Like I thought I was doing this to

2947
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:47,000
Speaker 2: have fun with my boys, and now all of a sudden,

2948
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:50,360
Speaker 2: I've got massive spreadsheets everywhere. God bless those that do

2949
02:26:50,440 --> 02:26:53,360
Speaker 2: it like God bless those that really get down with it.

2950
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:57,440
Speaker 2: I am just not. I can't get down into the

2951
02:26:57,440 --> 02:27:00,000
Speaker 2: minutia anymore. I don't have time. My daughters are not

2952
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:02,640
Speaker 2: going to allow that at four and one years old.

2953
02:27:03,240 --> 02:27:06,240
Speaker 1: God yeah, And I'm just not. I'm also not going

2954
02:27:06,320 --> 02:27:08,200
Speaker 1: to invest the podcast time that it takes to do

2955
02:27:08,280 --> 02:27:09,840
Speaker 1: some of that too, Like I'm just being ho like

2956
02:27:10,120 --> 02:27:13,440
Speaker 1: it is. It's so funny to me because you're a

2957
02:27:13,480 --> 02:27:16,680
Speaker 1: thousand percent right, like I'm the same way with TV shows.

2958
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't like to have to work to catch up.

2959
02:27:19,000 --> 02:27:21,840
Speaker 1: So there are there are huge TV shows that I

2960
02:27:21,959 --> 02:27:24,200
Speaker 1: just I missed, probably because I was sitting on a

2961
02:27:24,200 --> 02:27:26,520
Speaker 1: tour bus for a lot of the beginning of certain shows.

2962
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:29,240
Speaker 1: And it's hard to watch tour bus TV sometimes, like

2963
02:27:29,360 --> 02:27:32,120
Speaker 1: you got twelve people on a bus one TV. You

2964
02:27:32,200 --> 02:27:35,200
Speaker 1: never know how that's gonna play out. So I missed

2965
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:37,200
Speaker 1: the beginning of a lot of shows. And once, like

2966
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, I tried to sit down and watch Breaking

2967
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:41,160
Speaker 1: Bad and this is where everybody tells me I have

2968
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:43,320
Speaker 1: to watch Breaking Bad. I hear you, guys, but fine.

2969
02:27:43,680 --> 02:27:45,720
Speaker 1: I watched like one episode. I was like, this is

2970
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:48,240
Speaker 1: dark and heavy, and I don't really feel like watching

2971
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:49,760
Speaker 1: this right now. And then everybody says, well, you just

2972
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:51,800
Speaker 1: got to get through the first season, and then it's great.

2973
02:27:52,120 --> 02:27:54,599
Speaker 1: Well I sit there, I'm like, I just don't necessarily

2974
02:27:54,600 --> 02:27:57,600
Speaker 1: in my life usually have the time to carve out

2975
02:27:57,640 --> 02:27:59,400
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm

2976
02:27:59,440 --> 02:28:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna suffer through the first ten hours of this so

2977
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:03,560
Speaker 1: that I can watch the next forty hours. Like I'm

2978
02:28:03,560 --> 02:28:06,240
Speaker 1: not gonna put fifty hours into that. But if I'm

2979
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:09,160
Speaker 1: being fair, like while I'm making breakfast today, when we're

2980
02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:11,039
Speaker 1: not like, I'll put an episode of bar Rescue, one

2981
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:13,440
Speaker 1: that I've seen one hundred times in the background because

2982
02:28:13,480 --> 02:28:16,160
Speaker 1: I just want the background noise. So it's funny, there's

2983
02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:19,440
Speaker 1: a difference between background noise entertainment, whether we're talking about

2984
02:28:19,440 --> 02:28:22,920
Speaker 1: sports or TV or the same. Like, I was a huge,

2985
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:25,960
Speaker 1: huge wrestling fan, as we've talked about when I was

2986
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:28,680
Speaker 1: a kid. It was everything to me, and then I

2987
02:28:28,760 --> 02:28:31,199
Speaker 1: fell off like so many people do. And it's hard

2988
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:33,840
Speaker 1: for me now because to tune in, I'd have to

2989
02:28:33,879 --> 02:28:36,400
Speaker 1: reinvest in all these storylines and watch long enough to

2990
02:28:36,400 --> 02:28:38,080
Speaker 1: figure out who's who and what's what. And I just

2991
02:28:38,120 --> 02:28:40,320
Speaker 1: don't want to put that much work into almost anything

2992
02:28:40,400 --> 02:28:43,560
Speaker 1: at this point. So it's funny that they're just I

2993
02:28:43,640 --> 02:28:47,120
Speaker 1: cap a lot of my entertainment, even sports entertainment. I

2994
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:49,920
Speaker 1: cap on is this easy? And does this require as

2995
02:28:50,040 --> 02:28:52,840
Speaker 1: little effort as possible? Because I will watch the same

2996
02:28:52,879 --> 02:28:55,000
Speaker 1: TV show a million times just to not have to

2997
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:55,680
Speaker 1: put any effort in.

2998
02:28:55,800 --> 02:28:58,800
Speaker 2: Look, that's right. I mean when you used to look

2999
02:28:58,840 --> 02:29:02,320
Speaker 2: at the what was the most watched stuff on Netflix?

3000
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:06,480
Speaker 2: Almost two It didn't matter what month you looked at

3001
02:29:06,840 --> 02:29:09,120
Speaker 2: at the time, it was Friends in the Office, it

3002
02:29:09,240 --> 02:29:11,120
Speaker 2: just was it was always the time. And I used

3003
02:29:11,160 --> 02:29:13,160
Speaker 2: to have something a concept called The Red and the

3004
02:29:13,160 --> 02:29:14,800
Speaker 2: Blue Show, and I kind of looked at it like

3005
02:29:14,879 --> 02:29:18,120
Speaker 2: Red is sort of a harsh color, kind of that's

3006
02:29:18,280 --> 02:29:20,360
Speaker 2: your drama and all this, and Blue is just kind

3007
02:29:20,360 --> 02:29:25,200
Speaker 2: of cool, calm, collected, just something very very easy. And

3008
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:28,240
Speaker 2: so that point about watching the same episode one hundred times,

3009
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:31,280
Speaker 2: I love the idea. And I do this all the time.

3010
02:29:31,360 --> 02:29:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm in the kitchen with a video I've seen ten

3011
02:29:33,320 --> 02:29:36,720
Speaker 2: fifteen times that I'm actually you know, I can recite

3012
02:29:37,240 --> 02:29:40,080
Speaker 2: as it's going on, or I can I can put

3013
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:43,480
Speaker 2: on Steve Austin versus Brett Hart from russell Mania at thirteen,

3014
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:46,400
Speaker 2: know exactly what's happening without even having to watch it

3015
02:29:46,680 --> 02:29:49,360
Speaker 2: while I'm making a sandwich in the kitchen, Like that's

3016
02:29:49,560 --> 02:29:52,120
Speaker 2: that is how a lot of things are done. And

3017
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 2: even when the sandwich in the kitchen is I've got

3018
02:29:54,680 --> 02:29:57,240
Speaker 2: my phone on the couch, or even I'm studying or

3019
02:29:57,280 --> 02:29:59,600
Speaker 2: doing something like that on the couch and have that

3020
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:03,120
Speaker 2: on in the background. That's where it works. We have

3021
02:30:03,360 --> 02:30:06,440
Speaker 2: grown into we don't have a ton of attention span.

3022
02:30:06,959 --> 02:30:09,480
Speaker 2: We like to have a lot of things done for us.

3023
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:12,840
Speaker 2: Like I can't find anything in Nashville because I have

3024
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:16,600
Speaker 2: GPS and as such, when that thing is out, I

3025
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:20,920
Speaker 2: can't move four streets away and know where exactly I am.

3026
02:30:21,240 --> 02:30:23,680
Speaker 2: As opposed to when you know, you and I were

3027
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:26,000
Speaker 2: in high school and we had to know everything, or

3028
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:28,080
Speaker 2: we had to understand how to read a map. The

3029
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:30,240
Speaker 2: kids today don't even know what a map looks like.

3030
02:30:30,400 --> 02:30:33,560
Speaker 2: They've never had to look at one in their entire life.

3031
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:37,039
Speaker 2: So the more that you ask me to do at

3032
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:40,039
Speaker 2: forty six, the less I'm inclined to do the thing

3033
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:41,119
Speaker 2: you're asking me to do.

3034
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Man, Like I was a pizza delivery kid for a

3035
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:47,000
Speaker 1: little bit in high school. And let me tell you, y'all,

3036
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:49,840
Speaker 1: Like now, that sounds like an easy job. Back then,

3037
02:30:50,280 --> 02:30:51,960
Speaker 1: like I didn't even have a map in the car,

3038
02:30:52,200 --> 02:30:54,280
Speaker 1: so i'd have to like i'd have to look at

3039
02:30:54,320 --> 02:30:57,520
Speaker 1: the map of the city. It was in high school.

3040
02:30:57,520 --> 02:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I was in Booie, Maryland, so i'd have to look

3041
02:30:59,320 --> 02:31:02,280
Speaker 1: at the map of Bowie and I have to write down, like, Okay,

3042
02:31:02,320 --> 02:31:04,320
Speaker 1: this street to this street, to this street, and get

3043
02:31:04,360 --> 02:31:07,119
Speaker 1: you your pizza within like whatever, twenty minutes, or or

3044
02:31:07,320 --> 02:31:08,400
Speaker 1: like you got your money back.

3045
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:08,959
Speaker 2: Whatever it was.

3046
02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:11,520
Speaker 1: The number of times I got lost I hate because

3047
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:14,000
Speaker 1: I have no sense of direction. I hated that. It's

3048
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:15,880
Speaker 1: my least favorite job I've ever had. Should have been

3049
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:18,520
Speaker 1: the easiest. I was stressed every night because I couldn't

3050
02:31:18,520 --> 02:31:20,400
Speaker 1: find a way around. Now you just plug it in ways,

3051
02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:22,920
Speaker 1: But you're right, like I can't even I drive to

3052
02:31:22,959 --> 02:31:25,440
Speaker 1: the same gym every single day, and the first thing

3053
02:31:25,480 --> 02:31:26,800
Speaker 1: I do when I get in the car is I

3054
02:31:26,879 --> 02:31:28,400
Speaker 1: just hit ways and it tells me how to get

3055
02:31:28,440 --> 02:31:30,520
Speaker 1: there like I have gotten to in Nashville is a

3056
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:33,879
Speaker 1: great example. Every time I'm in Nashville hanging out with friends,

3057
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:36,240
Speaker 1: my first thought is like, don't make me go to

3058
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:39,200
Speaker 1: any new restaurant because like it's overwhelming, there's too many decisions.

3059
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go to the same place that I've

3060
02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:43,760
Speaker 1: gone to all hundred times because I can't make the

3061
02:31:43,800 --> 02:31:45,920
Speaker 1: decision on something new. It's all pot like it's too much.

3062
02:31:45,959 --> 02:31:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to think that much. I don't want

3063
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:50,119
Speaker 1: to think that much. Okay from not wanting to think,

3064
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:54,640
Speaker 1: by the way, which is a tremendous, tremendous segue. Tractor

3065
02:31:54,680 --> 02:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Supply knows that a winning season takes practice, teamwork, and

3066
02:31:57,040 --> 02:31:59,000
Speaker 1: a can do attitude. Thankfully, when he got a neighbor

3067
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3068
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Speaker 1: or a few acres or team members will help you

3069
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3070
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Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio dot com. See how everyone's doing

3072
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Speaker 1: with their picks and who the top rated listeners are.

3073
02:32:17,080 --> 02:32:19,240
Speaker 1: The listener with the best bracket at Fox Sports Radio

3074
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Speaker 1: gets twenty five one hundred dollars gift card to tractor Supply.

3075
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Speaker 1: You cannot beat that. So coming up next the Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Saturday Live from the ti Raq dot Com studios,

3077
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:31,600
Speaker 1: Jmart's gotten every single team in the Elite eight. So

3078
02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:33,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna tell you who's gonna win it all. Obviously

3079
02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:36,040
Speaker 1: he's the one. Look my elite I only got six

3080
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:38,840
Speaker 1: out eight. He got all eight. We'll tell you exactly why.

3081
02:32:38,879 --> 02:32:41,160
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to see who the national champion is

3082
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:43,240
Speaker 1: going to be. I say that not knowing. If we agree,

3083
02:32:43,240 --> 02:32:45,840
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. Next He's Jason Martin on Jason Vinz.

3084
02:32:45,879 --> 02:32:50,080
Speaker 1: It's the Fellows on Fox Sports Radio, jaymart Every week

3085
02:32:50,200 --> 02:32:55,120
Speaker 1: we close the show with this song, one of the great, great,

3086
02:32:55,240 --> 02:32:59,720
Speaker 1: great great songs of all time. If you want to

3087
02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:02,200
Speaker 1: love well, you're welcome to if you know, if you're

3088
02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:05,680
Speaker 1: feeling like the funny thing is this is my favorite

3089
02:33:05,720 --> 02:33:07,520
Speaker 1: part about It's by the way, it's Fellas. I'm Fox

3090
02:33:07,560 --> 02:33:10,959
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. I'm Jason Fitzi's Jason Martin. One of my

3091
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:14,800
Speaker 1: favorite things about you Christmas music is that I'm super

3092
02:33:14,840 --> 02:33:18,160
Speaker 1: into all Sinatra era stuff. But the best part is

3093
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:22,119
Speaker 1: that then it remains on my preset dial like across

3094
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:27,520
Speaker 1: my radio, so because those Christmas stations inevitably change over

3095
02:33:27,640 --> 02:33:30,920
Speaker 1: to normal stations afterwards, I end up with the Frank

3096
02:33:30,959 --> 02:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Sinatra station and Forties Junction on Serious XM, both being

3097
02:33:34,879 --> 02:33:37,400
Speaker 1: a regular part of my programming for about six months.

3098
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:39,720
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you there's something about being stuck in

3099
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:42,440
Speaker 1: traffic and just listening to Frank that makes things a

3100
02:33:42,480 --> 02:33:45,160
Speaker 1: little easier or like, you know, you're just you're you're

3101
02:33:45,240 --> 02:33:46,959
Speaker 1: kind of angry at the world. One day you turn

3102
02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:49,280
Speaker 1: on the forties Junction and you got like forties big

3103
02:33:49,320 --> 02:33:51,560
Speaker 1: band music playing in the background. Ah, I'm telling you

3104
02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:52,720
Speaker 1: it's good for the soul.

3105
02:33:52,560 --> 02:33:55,640
Speaker 2: Brother dude, the most relaxing thing you can do. I

3106
02:33:56,440 --> 02:33:59,440
Speaker 2: discovered this with my wife a few weeks ago. To

3107
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:02,879
Speaker 2: your points, sometimes you just got to have the crooners period.

3108
02:34:03,240 --> 02:34:06,880
Speaker 2: But on YouTube you can search this out. But there's

3109
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:12,160
Speaker 2: like long just playlists of nothing but instrumental music, various

3110
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:14,840
Speaker 2: moods and all this. But one of them that's become

3111
02:34:14,879 --> 02:34:17,400
Speaker 2: seemingly popular because I or maybe it's just on our

3112
02:34:17,440 --> 02:34:22,840
Speaker 2: feed now is Gramophone era music that's coming from another

3113
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:27,280
Speaker 2: room or radio music that's coming from another room from

3114
02:34:27,320 --> 02:34:31,840
Speaker 2: the forties or from the early fifties, and so it

3115
02:34:32,040 --> 02:34:37,879
Speaker 2: sounds like they're upstairs listening to the crooners, listening to

3116
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:41,080
Speaker 2: big band, listening to that kind of thing, Ella Fitzgerald,

3117
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:44,320
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. But you can sort of barely

3118
02:34:44,360 --> 02:34:46,119
Speaker 2: hear it. You know what it is, and you can

3119
02:34:46,160 --> 02:34:49,360
Speaker 2: home along with it, but you're downstairs, like in front

3120
02:34:49,400 --> 02:34:51,800
Speaker 2: of a fireplace or something like that. You want to

3121
02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:57,120
Speaker 2: talk about relaxing. That is relaxing, Like it's not in

3122
02:34:57,160 --> 02:34:59,720
Speaker 2: your face, it's not even loud. It's like but you

3123
02:34:59,800 --> 02:35:02,760
Speaker 2: know it's in the house, like that feeling of the

3124
02:35:02,840 --> 02:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Christmas music that's downstairs while you're in your bedroom upstairs

3125
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:09,200
Speaker 2: and you can hear Dean Martin or whatever like that,

3126
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:13,880
Speaker 2: or Bing Crosby, Like think about that all the time

3127
02:35:13,959 --> 02:35:16,520
Speaker 2: on like a ten eleven hour loop. YouTube has that

3128
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:17,080
Speaker 2: for you.

3129
02:35:18,640 --> 02:35:22,080
Speaker 1: And inject that into my veins. For the best pregame show,

3130
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:23,959
Speaker 1: by the way, every weekend, be sure to tune into

3131
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:27,240
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio's Countdown presented by bet MGM every Saturday

3132
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Speaker 1: and Sunday morning nine am to noon Eastern that's six

3133
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Speaker 1: to nine am Pacific. If you're not great at the

3134
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Speaker 1: bath thing. We will count you down to all of

3135
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Speaker 1: the biggest games. No better place to prime you for

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3138
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. So j Mart,

3139
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:48,320
Speaker 1: you had all eight of the Elite eight teams on

3140
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:51,440
Speaker 1: the bracket, correct, I'm just gonna throw this at you know,

3141
02:35:51,480 --> 02:35:53,199
Speaker 1: on the count of three, we're both gonna say who's

3142
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:54,920
Speaker 1: going in the championship and we'll see if we agree.

3143
02:35:54,920 --> 02:35:57,040
Speaker 1: All right, you ready for this? It's one, two, three,

3144
02:35:57,080 --> 02:35:59,560
Speaker 1: and then we go one. Okay, two three?

3145
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:00,720
Speaker 2: Dude, Florida.

3146
02:36:01,400 --> 02:36:04,840
Speaker 1: Oh god, we know that's my final though, Oh Dukee,

3147
02:36:04,840 --> 02:36:05,600
Speaker 1: Florida's your final?

3148
02:36:05,640 --> 02:36:07,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I feel good about this.

3149
02:36:07,480 --> 02:36:11,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, how does how does Florida's top you know,

3150
02:36:11,320 --> 02:36:14,440
Speaker 1: the best I don't want to say. I mean, Cooper

3151
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:16,959
Speaker 1: Flag's clearly the best player in the country. And a

3152
02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:21,240
Speaker 1: team that has a ton of depth. I mean, your

3153
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:22,960
Speaker 1: guests is as good as mine. I mean, Duke is

3154
02:36:22,959 --> 02:36:24,720
Speaker 1: playing really well, and they're playing really well as a

3155
02:36:24,760 --> 02:36:28,040
Speaker 1: team right now, and you've got guys that can take

3156
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Speaker 1: over the game, but they are playing as a unit,

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02:36:30,840 --> 02:36:33,760
Speaker 1: and I think that actually not having Cooper flag for

3158
02:36:33,800 --> 02:36:36,720
Speaker 1: a couple of games actually galvanized them a little bit

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Speaker 1: more to play team ball because Cooper wasn't going to

3160
02:36:39,480 --> 02:36:41,840
Speaker 1: come back and play hero ball anyway, That's not his style.

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02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:45,520
Speaker 1: So they've actually played his cohesive unit this year with

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Speaker 1: some veteran guys and then some of the younger guys,

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02:36:48,520 --> 02:36:51,119
Speaker 1: and Shire has has done a masterful job of putting

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Speaker 1: them together. I think it just comes down to I

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Speaker 1: felt like entering the tournament, Florida was playing the best

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Speaker 1: basketball in the country and they were doing it in

3167
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Speaker 1: the best conference in the country on top of that,

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Speaker 1: and so that carried a lot of weight from me.

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Speaker 1: I think Walter and Company or just they are equipped

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Speaker 1: to beat anybody. But I think that if we get

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Speaker 1: Florida Duke, which I think we will, then man, what

3172
02:37:15,080 --> 02:37:18,680
Speaker 1: a championship game that should be. Like your question, I

3173
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Speaker 1: can answer the same thing. It's like, how does Duke

3174
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Speaker 1: stop what Florida can do to you? On both sides

3175
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Speaker 1: of the floor. We're going to find out.

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Speaker 2: But I hope that's the matchup we get because I

3177
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Speaker 2: think that ultimately, what are the two best teams in basketball.

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Speaker 2: I think you could easily have said Duke was the

3179
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Speaker 2: favorite entering the tournament. And I think the same things

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Speaker 2: true of Florida.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Florida has just gotten so hot on top

3182
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Speaker 1: of all of it. Like I thought they were really

3183
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Speaker 1: they were, I don't want to say like robbed, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't love the fact that they were the fourth

3185
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Speaker 1: of the number one seeds. I think the way they

3186
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Speaker 1: went through the SEC tournament, they deserved better in that process.

3187
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Speaker 1: And I think the most interesting team that I can't

3188
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Speaker 1: figure out the Florida. The ceiling on is so vastly different.

3189
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Speaker 1: In the Elite eight to me is still gonna be

3190
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Speaker 1: Michigan State. And what's funny about Michigan State is that

3191
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Speaker 1: they can't shoot the three consistently from the outside at all,

3192
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:15,000
Speaker 1: but their efficiency inside is like in field goals in

3193
02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:18,720
Speaker 1: general is absolutely incredible, and they're great at the line,

3194
02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:22,039
Speaker 1: and they're deep so across the board. They got a

3195
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Speaker 1: few different guards that can create issues, but most importantly,

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Speaker 1: they just wear you down. When they run with any

3197
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Speaker 1: level of pace, they wear you down. So what's interesting.

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Speaker 1: They don't wear you down like physically, they wear you

3199
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Speaker 1: down like you gotta be able to run with them,

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Speaker 1: and then they just keep going to depth. However, in

3201
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Speaker 1: their sweet sixteen game, almost really had them figured out,

3202
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Speaker 1: and that's the first time they've taken on that sec

3203
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Speaker 1: sort of size and that defense, and it throttled them back.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know the best of Michigan State can

3205
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Speaker 1: win a championship. The worst of Michigan State could lose

3206
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Speaker 1: by double digits to Auburn.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. I've got Michigan State in the

3208
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Speaker 2: final four, though I did have them beating Auburn in

3209
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Speaker 2: this game, but it could go either way. I think

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Speaker 2: Auburn gonna have to shoot the three wheel. That's one

3211
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Speaker 2: of the things Old Miss was able to do in

3212
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Speaker 2: that game. They got hot early, so that's that's gonna

3213
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Speaker 2: be their key if they're off from distance. I think

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Speaker 2: Michigan State beast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michigan State's perimeter defense best in the country. They

3216
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Speaker 1: should be better. But slow start, Sparty, I don't know

3217
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Speaker 1: if you can survive the slow starts that have hurt

3218
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Speaker 1: them for a long time. Jamar, it has been a

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Speaker 1: blast hanging out with you man. Thanks for getting up

3220
02:39:22,200 --> 02:39:23,800
Speaker 1: so early to hang out with me this morning. I

3221
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Speaker 1: appreciate you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: Men, We appreciate you hanging out with the fellows. Stick

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Speaker 1: to Fox Sports Radio all day long and enjoyed the

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Speaker 1: tournament action.