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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Crystal Rogers, a beautiful young mom,

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Speaker 1: what just vanished? Like Bewitched or I Dream of Jeannie?

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Speaker 1: How did that work? Well? It didn't in the last days,

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Speaker 1: A bizarre twist in the case. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The

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Speaker 1: latest filing in the case of men now charged in

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Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers's death is all about an episode of Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace filmed the week after Crystal disappeared in Bardstown. The

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Speaker 1: episode of NG on hl N was entered by prosecutors.

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Speaker 1: They have not revealed the episode's significance in the case,

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Speaker 1: but I have reason to believe it is. When her boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: she was gone, and he answered he wasn't alarmed in

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Speaker 1: uncommon for her to go to her cousin's house when

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Speaker 1: there were issues in their relationship. But during the episode,

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Speaker 1: Crystal's father, Tommy Ballard tells me he knew of only

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Speaker 1: have been done behind the scene with Nelson County Sheriff's right. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and it was Roger's own mother that reported her missing,

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Speaker 1: not him. Okay, why is this particular episode of n

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Speaker 2: Nelson County Detective John Snow sits down with Crystal's boyfriend,

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Speaker 4: The road he goes in.

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Speaker 5: After we'd come back, we'd come back out for walking

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Speaker 2: Brooks draws a makeshift map for the detective and shows

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Speaker 5: That's you the driveway, the other drum wathers the ball

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Speaker 2: Wearing a blue polo shirt and jeans, Brooks sits casually,

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Speaker 1: You are hearing just a tiny portion of a fantastic podcast.

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Speaker 1: and this is what it is about. It's all about

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Speaker 1: the mysterious deaths that take place in a very small

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Speaker 1: Kentucky town considered the Bourbon capital of the world, Bardstown, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: It's like so many small communities across our country, much

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Speaker 1: like the one I grew up in, except people are

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Speaker 1: dropping like flies in Bardstown. With me right now, investigative journalist,

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Speaker 1: podcast producer with A Vault Studios. Jessica Nol with me

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Speaker 1: her partner, investigative reporter with Whas n Louisville. They are

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Speaker 1: responsible for Bardstown Podcast. You can find it at www

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Speaker 1: dot bardstownpodcast dot com. To you, Jessica, tell me about

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Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers? Who is she? Who was she?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: Crystal Rogers is a thirty five year old mother of five.

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Speaker 7: She had lived and grown up in Bartstown her whole life,

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Speaker 7: and she was dating a man by the name of Brooks.

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Speaker 7: July third, twenty fifteen, and her car was found on

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Speaker 7: days later, and her purse, her cell phone, everything that

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Speaker 1: You know, to Shane McCallister, investigative reporter Whas Louisville chan,

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Speaker 2: Sure, so all of these cases date back to twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 2: that's when Bargstown police officer Jason Ellis was ambushed on

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Speaker 2: a year later, Samantha and Kathie Netherland, a mother and daughter,

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Speaker 2: And this is a special education teacher at Bargstown Elementary

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Speaker 1: And then.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen months later, Crystal Rogers goes missing.

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Speaker 1: And as of right now, we don't know what has

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Speaker 1: her mode of death or cause of deay. Jessica, weren't

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Speaker 1: you just at the bourbon festival, right? So we went back.

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Speaker 7: Spencer Brudig and I, one of our producers, went back

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Speaker 7: to Bartstown for the Kentucky Bourbon Festival, which is a

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Speaker 7: huge deal in Bardstown. Thousands of people come in from

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Speaker 7: all over to sample bourbon from several distilleries that are

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Speaker 7: event of the year every year there. So we wanted

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Speaker 7: we saw was an incredible outcry of community support.

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Speaker 1: Now wait a minute, a minute, I want to talk.

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Speaker 1: Signs across bard Town have been removed, and the signs

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Speaker 1: Incredible pain for Crystal's mother, Sherry Ballard, her daughter Crystal

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Speaker 1: disturbing because these signs all across the county were taken down.

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Speaker 1: that had anything to do with it, but I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at a giant pink placard, a sign that says Prayers

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Speaker 7: Well, the city and the county deny taking them down,

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Speaker 7: So and Sherry and some friends and family are actually

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Speaker 7: Hawke and his brother Nick.

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Speaker 1: How Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days.

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Speaker 1: An episode of Nancy Grace off h ol N has

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Speaker 1: been entered into evidence in the murder case of Crystal Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Her body has never been found. What happened to Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: You had a little fire.

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Speaker 8: When was that after you dipped your walker?

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Speaker 4: Before you dip your walk?

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Speaker 8: I know we fed the cows first because I want

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Speaker 8: to do that as quickly while we had still plenty

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Speaker 8: of day. I don't know if I lift the fire

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Speaker 2: After the fire and with their toddler in tow, Brooks says,

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Speaker 9: Got a couple of kids, you know, but everybody parents

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Speaker 4: To me, it seems a little late.

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Speaker 9: Is he has he been asleep in the.

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Speaker 8: Is he still he's wide opening for anybot he's used.

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Speaker 8: So he used to sleeping so later in the morning

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's always been that way at midnight and

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Speaker 1: You're hearing the boyfriend brooks hout and he's speaking to

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Speaker 1: Detective Snow. Now, let me understand something. To Shay McCallister,

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Speaker 6: That's what he tells police.

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Speaker 2: He says they went down to feed the cows. But

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Speaker 2: Sherry Ballard, Crystal's mom, has had a big problem with

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Speaker 1: Whose farm was it.

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Speaker 2: It was Hauke's mom's farm, So Brooks Houke's mom, Rosemary Hauke,

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Speaker 1: So did Brooks Houke's mother see Crystal there with the

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Speaker 2: We don't have any kind of recordings of her police interviews,

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Speaker 1: Have you tried, have you tried to talk to her? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We've seen her in court multiple times over the years.

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Speaker 2: She's always there when Brooks is in court or at

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Speaker 2: custody hearings for that little boy, and we have definitely

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Speaker 1: Interesting, very interesting. So she's on a date I guess

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Speaker 7: That is correct, And I do want to point out

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Speaker 7: we actually do go to the farm and try to

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Speaker 7: speak to Rosemary there. But what's interesting about the clip

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Speaker 7: and someone pointed out that he actually says in that clip,

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Speaker 7: He says, we didn't get anything to eat. But then

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Speaker 1: I noticed that. I noticed when he said I went home,

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Speaker 8: I probably I probably woke up around you know, in

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Speaker 4: You know, I got did my normal thing, could you.

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Speaker 10: You know, So you get up between six and seven,

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Speaker 4: He's in the bed with you.

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Speaker 6: But Crystal isn't there when he gets out.

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Speaker 6: Gros takes his son to the farm, but his lack

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Speaker 3: Up on a Saturday morning and my wife wasn't with

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Speaker 1: You were hearing Brooks how the boyfriend of Crystal Rogers

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Speaker 8: I probably I probably woke up around you know, in

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Speaker 10: You know, So you get up between six and seven,

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Speaker 10: and where's Eli at.

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Speaker 4: When you wake up, he's next to me.

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Speaker 1: He's in the bed with you.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so you get up? Does he get up? With you.

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Speaker 4: He's still He's still asleep on every eye whenever I

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Speaker 5: But I go to uh, you know, the bathroom and

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Speaker 6: But Crystal isn't there when he gets out.

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Speaker 8: I didn't know what was I didn't know exactly what

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Speaker 4: I called her. Yes, I called her that morning.

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Speaker 2: Brooks takes his son to the farm, but his lack

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Speaker 3: If I woke up on a Saturday morning and my

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Speaker 9: Call her to find out where she was.

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Speaker 1: Seay, McAllister. I'm hearing them talking about the Hawk brothers.

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Speaker 1: There's more than one of them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there is. There are two Help brothers. There's Nick Help,

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Speaker 2: Brooks Help was Crystal's boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: So is he is the brother still with the police force.

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Speaker 2: He is not. He was fired just a few months

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Speaker 2: after Crystal went missing. Nick and her feared with the investigation,

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Speaker 2: and he actually called his brother Brooks while he was

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: The interview is interrupted when Brooks gets a call from

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Speaker 1: I get this, you have.

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Speaker 4: I'm up here. I know that you didn't know I'm

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Speaker 8: Detective snow, I've been up here a good little while.

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Speaker 8: I'm feeling out this this statement here and everything?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 8: Do you know you telling me that's you tell me

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Speaker 8: that's what I need to do.

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Speaker 9: I know, I.

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Speaker 4: Know, don't I know, I'm not I know that. But

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Speaker 4: what if I look at it is I'm innocent. I

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Speaker 4: ain't done nothing wrong. Well you know, I know you

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Speaker 4: told me innocent. People have got jammed up. If you're

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Speaker 4: telling me to leave, I'll get up and leave if

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Speaker 4: you if you omitted, I don't know. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: to help me. I don't think. I don't think she's

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Speaker 8: If I don't believe that.

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Speaker 4: You can't make me think that.

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Speaker 8: I'll do exactly what you're telling me to do.

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Speaker 4: You'll make it up and leave.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what he did. That's brooks Hout, the boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, he did get up

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Speaker 2: But news of that phone call eventually gets back to

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Speaker 2: Bardstown Police Chief Rick mccobbn and goes against everything his

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Speaker 12: Nick wasn't being questioned, no, but what really got my

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Speaker 12: an example. You and your friend could call you and go, man, Jessica,

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Speaker 12: you need to shut up and leave. Nothing I can

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Speaker 12: do about it. Which friend's not a cop, your brother's

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Speaker 12: not a cop. And I told him, I said, that's

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Speaker 12: not how this profession rolls.

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Speaker 1: You don't get to do that.

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Speaker 6: I don't care if you're looking out for your brother

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Speaker 1: You don't get to do that, you know, So that was,

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, After that, Nick Hawk's boss,

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Speaker 1: the police chief, orders him to talk to detectives, and

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Speaker 1: according to an FBI polygraph examiner who tells Nick Howck

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Speaker 1: in a police interrogation video, quote, it's pretty clear you

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Speaker 1: having problems with are questions about Crystal, in particular whether

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Speaker 1: Explain that to me, Jesskanal, what happened?

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Speaker 7: So the FBI polygraph examiner tells Nick how the police

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Speaker 7: is this how you acted towards Crystal? And and he

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Speaker 7: and you know, better than us, that polygraph examinations aren't

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Speaker 7: talking about Crystal, about her disappearance, about Brooks possibly telling

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 13: Well, Nick, I've had a chance to review in your

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Speaker 13: charts on that test, that first test you it did

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Speaker 1: The questions you're having a problem that there are.

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Speaker 13: Questions about Christall and in particular one about whether or

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Speaker 13: not you know where she's.

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Speaker 9: Right now, And I don't know.

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Speaker 13: I treat police officers in these circumstances so like I

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Speaker 9: The interview of terrogation nonsense. I think you and I

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Speaker 13: But at again, I'm also going to tell you the

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Speaker 9: Do you know anything about what happened? We're past that now.

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Speaker 9: I mean now you have crystal clear with you. I

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Speaker 9: I got yelling scream match you and get the sick

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Speaker 13: Man as a follow mforcenops or that the time has

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Speaker 9: This is you. I'm I talk about broke everybody else,

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Speaker 14: Be a father figure here.

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Speaker 9: But I'll tell you doing this for twenty five years

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Speaker 13: But the FBI that gets involved in this investigation, or

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Speaker 9: You do whatever you want to do.

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Speaker 13: As I said, he may never even be in an

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Speaker 13: we don't go away unless there's a reason too. I

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Speaker 14: What I've got on all right, The f guy.

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Speaker 13: Has unlimited resources in terms of forensic information, electronic information.

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Speaker 13: everything that's ever nine on the flue fine crystals.

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Speaker 9: You heard that about that as a matter of what's.

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Speaker 2: Get On July fifteenth, twenty fifteen, detectives also revealed to

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Speaker 2: day after he and Brooks leave the station together and

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Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of illuminol? You ever been any

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Speaker 14: All right?

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Speaker 4: You know what luminol's used for? Its fine blood?

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Speaker 10: Fluid?

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Speaker 13: Bodily fluid, sweat, you know, vomit, anything, you know, salava.

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Speaker 4: All that is is what would fluoresce?

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Speaker 13: Would Why would your trunk look like a smurf if

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Speaker 4: He looked like Nobyl. There's gull spots in the trump

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Speaker 4: Well, and I say blood, I'm talking about other bodily fluids.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, it's not going to be any blood. Well that

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Speaker 1: the first thing he said. And again everyone has said

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Speaker 1: did he report her missing?

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Speaker 6: Brooks Hawk never reports her missing.

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Speaker 2: Actually, her mom reports her missing a few days later,

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Speaker 2: when she's had trouble reaching her over the phone, and

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Speaker 2: when she actually runs into Brooks how in town, she

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Speaker 2: asks Brooks, hey, have you seen Crystal? Where do you

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Speaker 2: think she is? And Brooks said, no, I haven't seen her.

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Speaker 2: And Sherry says, well, then I'm going to go report

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Speaker 2: her missing. And Brooks says, yeah, I think you should

448
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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Brooks house speaking to Detective Snow

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Speaker 1: on this very issue.

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Speaker 6: Brooks runs into Crystal's mom.

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Speaker 9: I met her mother at the gas station somewhere one

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Speaker 9: of these days.

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Speaker 8: Her mother's Sherry, Crystal's mother, Sherry came up. Heurer my

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Speaker 8: window and asked me if I had seen Crystal, and when.

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Speaker 10: You told her what, I haven't seen her, don't know

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Speaker 10: where she is, and she just said okay and asked me.

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Speaker 5: That she thought that she thought that the wisest thing

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Speaker 5: for us to do was she said she's going to

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Speaker 5: go to the police station, and.

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Speaker 4: Then I went home.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Crystal's mom files a missing person's report at the

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Speaker 2: Nelson County Sheriff's office around three pm. Two hours later,

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Speaker 2: her father, Tommy, gets a call Crystal's car has been

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Speaker 2: found along the Bluegrass Parkway. Tommy goes and uncovers her keys, phone,

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Speaker 2: and purse inside. Brooks tells detectives know that he wasn't

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Speaker 2: concerned until Sunday because she'd quote done this before.

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Speaker 1: Friends and family tell me there's no way Crystal would

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Speaker 1: ever have left her children, never ever ever. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Crystal Rogers's boyfriend, Brooks Hawk, came on

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Speaker 1: to the NG Nancy Gray Show on HLM. I questioned

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Speaker 1: him about his behavior immediately following Crystal's disappearance. I didn't

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Speaker 1: like any of his answers, and apparently prosecutors agree that

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Speaker 1: taped episode will be entered into evidence by the state

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Speaker 1: joining me right now. In addition to her parents, saw

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Speaker 1: Tom and Sherry Ballard, her boyfriend that she lived with.

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Speaker 1: So Brooks, you go to bed and she's still playing

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Speaker 1: games on her phone. The next morning, around eight o'clock,

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Speaker 1: you notice that she's missing. Did you report her missing?

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Speaker 4: No, ma'am.

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Speaker 14: Why that is a great question and one that I

482
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Speaker 14: definitely want to hear the other public in the media.

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Speaker 14: I was not in the least little ditch along in

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Speaker 14: any way, shape or form. We have had a stress

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Speaker 14: relationship at times, and one of the ways that Crystal

486
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Speaker 14: has always chose to the coper to deal with that

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Speaker 14: is by going to a young woman's name Sabrina. That

488
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Speaker 14: is her cousin, her dad brother's daughter, whom she's very

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Speaker 14: close to.

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Speaker 4: That she spent the night.

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Speaker 1: There on several oc When you say several, do you

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Speaker 1: mean one three twenty in.

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Speaker 14: The neighborhood of four to six Okay.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Sherry Ballard, were you aware of that? Do you

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Speaker 1: know who Sabrina is?

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Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am, that's my niece.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Did you know that she doesn't spend the night

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Speaker 1: over there when she's having an issue at home?

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Speaker 4: I'm not on probably one time.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I want to go back to Brooks Houck.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I know that you agreed

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Speaker 1: to take a polygraph? Did you pass?

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Speaker 14: They because of the way that the lines or whatever

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Speaker 14: wrong that they may determined it to be what's called inconclusive.

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Speaker 14: I'm not exactly sure what that means, but they did

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Speaker 14: tell me it does mean that I wasn't flying, or

507
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Speaker 14: I didn't pass it, or I didn't fell it. They

508
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Speaker 14: just ruled it inconclusive. And that's exactly the way that

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Speaker 14: it stands. I've been one hundred percent completely honest with everyone.

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Speaker 14: I've been one hundred percent a cooperative in everything that

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Speaker 14: has been asked of me. I'm not asked for any

512
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Speaker 14: kind of legal advice or assistance or an attorney of

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Speaker 14: any nature. I'm one hundred percent completely innocent in this,

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Speaker 14: and I have exhausted my efforts with the law enforcement

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Speaker 14: agencies to gather all the facts necessary to allow me

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Speaker 14: to have a clean name again. And that's very important

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Speaker 14: to me.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing, oh, who has been called the number

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Speaker 1: one suspect, Crystal Rogers lover Brooks help with me questioning him.

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Speaker 1: I find it very interesting that either he's not telling

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Speaker 1: me the truth or the FBI agent that truth. Polygraph

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Speaker 1: is not telling the truth because I was looking right

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Speaker 1: at the video when the agent that the poligrapher says,

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Speaker 1: you did not pass. Okay, that's not inconclusive. That's you

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Speaker 1: did not pass. But when I was questioning him, how

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Speaker 1: it says that it was inconclusive, basically blaming the test. Also,

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Speaker 1: I heard something very significant. Apparently. The first story was

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Speaker 1: they were up playing games like video games, I guess,

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Speaker 1: and then went to sleep. That's a far cry from

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Speaker 1: fading the cows.

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Speaker 7: Jessica nol Brooks's story is that once they got home

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Speaker 7: from the farm, he went to bed and his son

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Speaker 7: stayed up with Crystal and Crystal played games on her

534
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Speaker 7: phone and that was the last time he saw her.

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Speaker 1: It's an interest that has everyone's attention. Brooks.

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Speaker 15: How Crystal Roger's boyfriend and the main suspect in her disappearance,

537
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Speaker 15: charged with her murder and tempering with physical evidence. According

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Speaker 15: to the indictment, the charge of stem from an incident

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Speaker 15: July fourth weekend of twenty fifteen, just days before Crystal's

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Speaker 15: car was found abandoned on the side of the Bluegrass

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Speaker 15: Parkway with her keys, phone and purse inside. He was

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Speaker 15: named the main suspect within three months, but never charged

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Speaker 15: until today.

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Speaker 11: Why so long?

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends in whas for those

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Speaker 1: of you just joining us in the last hours, finally

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Speaker 1: unarrest in the murder of Crystal Rogers. And you know

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Speaker 1: what's so irritating, You know, Cheryl mccoum is joining me,

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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and star of

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Speaker 1: a hitnew series Zone seven. When I hear and I've

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Speaker 1: heard it over and over, it's countless cases, Cheryl McCollum quote,

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Speaker 1: everybody knew. I mean since day one, everyone said, Brooks,

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Speaker 1: how is the killer? Why did it take so long?

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Speaker 1: And to you, Cheryl McCollum, have you ever had those cases?

555
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Speaker 1: And you have to tell every single witness it doesn't

556
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Speaker 1: matter what everybody says, because very often what everybody says

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00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: is not true. That's not the killer. It turns out

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Speaker 1: to be someone completely different. But in this case, it's true.

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Speaker 1: Since the whole thing went down, he has been suspect

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Speaker 1: number one.

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Speaker 16: He's been suspect only one. There hasn't been anybody else.

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Speaker 16: But it's one of those situations. What you know and

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Speaker 16: what you could prove is not the same thing. So

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Speaker 16: they had to be patient. They had to work this

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Speaker 16: case from every angle, which is what they did. They

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Speaker 16: got him once for theft, they got people that were

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Speaker 16: close to him for perjury. They even pressed Grandma so

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Speaker 16: hard she invoked her Fifth Amendment. So they have worked

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Speaker 16: this thing beautifully. Yeah, as long as they possibly could.

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Speaker 6: Take.

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Speaker 1: Listen to whas eleven federal investigators accused Helk of intentionally

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Speaker 1: causing the death of Crystal Runchers and destroying, concealing, mutilating,

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Speaker 1: or removing physical evidence in connection to the crime, He

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Speaker 1: was arrested without incident while on a job site outside

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Speaker 1: of Bardstown.

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Speaker 6: This was the moment Brooks was put into handcuffs.

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Speaker 11: My fires reaction was just Sherry and her family getting

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Speaker 11: the justice that they.

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Speaker 1: Have fought so much. For joining me right now, Anchor

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Speaker 1: wd RB out of Louisville, Fallon Glick, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Fallon, tell me about the arrest.

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Speaker 17: Well Brooks, how Kerr former boyfriend. He was arrested at

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Speaker 17: a work site and then he was then taken to

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Speaker 17: the Nelson County jail. We have video of him and

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Speaker 17: handcuffed walking into the jail. It wasn't there very long,

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Speaker 17: but we did get a booking photo of him, and

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Speaker 17: then he was taken to another county jail. It's called

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Speaker 17: the Harding County Jail, and that is where he is

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Speaker 17: staying currently. And he's not going to get out unless

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Speaker 17: you posts that ten million dollars cash only bond.

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Speaker 1: Okay, ten million dollars cash bond, James Shelknett. That's unlike

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Speaker 1: a lot of bonds where you can put, for instance,

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Speaker 1: your house down is collateral, you get one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars bond. You got to come up with ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars money or collateral like a home. But a ten

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Speaker 1: million dollar bond that's not going to happen anytime soon.

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Speaker 11: No, it's not going to happen anytime soon. And you

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Speaker 11: know a lot of times with severe cases you do

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Speaker 11: see a cash boar. But even with a cash bond,

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Speaker 11: that's a pretty high cash bond. They must feel pretty

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Speaker 11: confident in the case that they've got against them, and

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Speaker 11: so much the judge to set the bond that high,

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Speaker 11: I mean, get real shell nut.

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Speaker 1: If the guy has managed to outsmart police for this

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Speaker 1: many years and the disappearance and death of his girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers. I wouldn't let him set one toe outside

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Speaker 1: of that jail house because he could very likely slip away.

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Speaker 11: I wouldn't let him set outside the jail either. You know,

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Speaker 11: this guy has sat and committed potentially a crime against

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Speaker 11: the mother of five children. He's covered it up, He's

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Speaker 11: played games. And this guy's shown he's dangerous and he's

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Speaker 11: a danger to the community.

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Speaker 1: And danger to any potential witnesses. Is why I would

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Speaker 1: let him out on bond. And you said the case

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Speaker 1: is so severe it calls for a high cash bond.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? And what is a

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Speaker 1: cash bond as supposed to a regular bond, Shell.

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Speaker 11: Nut, Well, it's severe because he's accused of murdering a

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Speaker 11: mother of five, of potentially covering this murder up taking steps.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 11: Additionally, you know, we've got some implications as to involvement

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Speaker 11: in some other situations as well. And the cash bond

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Speaker 11: is set so that the judge can ensure that. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: I'm not giving him a no bond, So I'm going

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Speaker 11: to meet the basic constitutional requirements of providing bail. But

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Speaker 11: I will tell you this, if you're going to get out,

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Speaker 11: we're going to be pretty sure that you're coming back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me Q and A with myself for just

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Speaker 1: a moment. James shell Nutt was asked what's the difference

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Speaker 1: in a cash bond and regular bond? Again, in regular

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Speaker 1: bond you can put up collateral like the value of

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Speaker 1: your home. You can put up for instance, real estatem.

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Speaker 1: A cash bawn, you gotta have cold hard cash. Everything

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Speaker 1: else shell Nutt said, was dead on joining me. James

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Speaker 1: shell Nutt a high profile lawyer with the shell Nut Firm.

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Speaker 1: He's based in Alabama, but travels all over twenty seven

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Speaker 1: years on Metro major case at shell Nut Law Firm

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Speaker 1: dot com. Guys, this has been one long drawn out investigation.

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Monica Harkins WDRB.

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Speaker 18: We saw the car pull in through the fence. As

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Speaker 18: he got out of the car, I asked, where is

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Speaker 18: Crystal Rogers. He didn't say anything. As he entered the

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Speaker 18: back of the jail, the Nelson County jailer was also

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Speaker 18: on hand. You can see that clearly as this unmarked

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Speaker 18: car goes through the gates. Around ten forty five Hawk

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Speaker 18: showed up here, but it was around eight forty five

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Speaker 18: this morning, the FBI of.

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Speaker 6: Louisville posted about Hawke's arrest.

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Speaker 18: Rogers was last seen in July of twenty fifteen. The

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Speaker 18: FBI post saying FBI and KSP have been laser folks

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Speaker 18: on their commitment to hold accountable those that were responsible

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Speaker 18: for the disappearance of Crystal Rogers, saying, quote, today we

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Speaker 18: take a significant step in making good on that promise.

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Speaker 1: You know, Falling Glick joining me anchor wd RB. We

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Speaker 1: all heard FB I, why did the FBI have to

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Speaker 1: be brought in to solve this case? What about local

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Speaker 1: law enforcement?

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Speaker 17: What's the problem, Falling Glick, Well, local law enforcement, the

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Speaker 17: sheriff's office, they have been on this since day one,

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Speaker 17: and I think they just didn't have enough resources to

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Speaker 17: pull this case together. And we know Sherry Ballor, the

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Speaker 17: mother of Crystal Rogers, she has been the true champion

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Speaker 17: for her daughter's case, keeping it in the spotlight. And

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Speaker 17: you know, very soon after her daughter disappeared, she asked

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Speaker 17: the FBI to come in, please take over this case.

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Speaker 17: And that didn't happen until five years later. So the FBI,

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Speaker 17: they've been on the case now for three years, and

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Speaker 17: when they come in that late they have more work

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Speaker 17: to do because they weren't there from day one, and

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Speaker 17: so it has taken a lot of time to pull

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Speaker 17: all this evidence together because we know they've executed so

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Speaker 17: many surge warrants at the Hawk family properties, the Hawk

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Speaker 17: Family farm, you know, that's the three hundred acre farm,

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Speaker 17: so they have been there several times. And then not

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Speaker 17: too long ago, they were at a home that Brooks

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Speaker 17: House has built and they dug up the driveway collected

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Speaker 17: a ton of evidence there. So the evidence that the

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Speaker 17: FBI has had to sort through is unimaginable. I know

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Speaker 17: the prosecutor is saying that they have to turn over

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Speaker 17: to terabytes worth of information in this case. So just

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Speaker 17: a lot to go through here.

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Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers' boyfriend came on to the NG Nancy Gray

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Speaker 1: Show on HLM. I didn't like any of his answers,

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Speaker 1: and apparently Peters agree that taped episode will be entered

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Speaker 1: into evidence by the state. Crystal Roger's body still not found.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off Goodbye Friend,