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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive here on the Steelers'

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Speaker 2: audio network, while Shuuler and Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: on a Monday, our last Monday show of twenty twenty five. Matt,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately, it's kind of a crappy one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a depressing one. As the Steelers fall

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Speaker 2: to the Browns thirteen to six yesterday in Cleveland. It's

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Speaker 2: been about twenty four hours, and I am I still shocked.

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Speaker 2: I'm still surprised. I still I can't believe it. I

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Speaker 2: know that this is what's happened four straight times. They've

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Speaker 2: gone to Cleveland now and against bad quarterbacks, young quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: You know, all kinds of reasons to win that don't

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Speaker 2: end up transpire ing. But this one felt a little bit,

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Speaker 2: a little bit more of a little bit bigger of

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Speaker 2: a gut punch.

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Speaker 3: I think, yes, and no, I might cheer you up

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Speaker 3: a little, cheer me up a little bit, Mike pursuit

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Speaker 3: of cheered me up a little on a show it's

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Speaker 3: gonna air later, I urge I want to check it

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Speaker 3: out on DV tonight we do with Rob King and

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to him here of what next segment. Right now,

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Speaker 3: I can't say this enough, and I hope in the

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Speaker 3: YouTube comments or on Twitter people say, Matt, you should

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Speaker 3: have even brought up more. It's a game they gotta win.

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Speaker 3: It's a game you gotta win. I'm gonna say it

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Speaker 3: a million times. It's a game you gotta win. Now.

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Speaker 3: What Mike mentioned that I thought was interesting is, guys,

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Speaker 3: you didn't lose the AFC North. Everything's still there. What

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Speaker 3: you lost is the opportunity for rest that which is

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Speaker 3: huge now. A team this age that has had the

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Speaker 3: earliest bye week of the season really could have used

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Speaker 3: the rest and the certainty that you know now you're

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Speaker 3: preparing for playoffs. You're not preparing for the Ravens, but

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Speaker 3: it's not over. And he looked at it as a fan, like, man,

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Speaker 3: what's better than a playoff game in week eighteen against

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Speaker 3: the Birdies in your building? You're like, that's great, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I know the Ravens are coming off a win

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Speaker 3: and they look like the better team at the moment,

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Speaker 3: but this loss, just in terms of execution and watching

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Speaker 3: play after play, didn't feel like the Bills. I just

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Speaker 3: felt like the Steelers left some opportunities on the pH.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, the weight he downs, the heavy situational moment, exactly.

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Speaker 2: They probably lost seventy five percent of.

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Speaker 3: Them in a big way. And that was the difference.

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Speaker 3: And what you knew was going to be a close

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Speaker 3: game in a place you don't have a lot of success,

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Speaker 3: and you didn't have all your horses. Now, not having

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Speaker 3: Metcalffin to a lesser degree, Austin and losing Washington all

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Speaker 3: mattered a great deal. A great deal. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: here's you. I mean, they've no man beaters. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and they're gonna see the exact same defense. You know,

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Speaker 3: why would they not run that back? But they lost

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Speaker 3: Fannin after he scored a touchdown. He's a leading receiver.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have Judkins, who's the guy they want to

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Speaker 3: give the ball to over and over? Like, no one's

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Speaker 3: gonna cry for your at this point. You know, that's

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Speaker 3: just how the league's going. But a couple of things

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Speaker 3: stood out to me, like when we started that show, like, Matt,

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Speaker 3: what were your big takeaways? Early defense was terrible, I mean, real.

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Speaker 2: Problem it's something you talked about last week, and.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of a Brown strength. Now I don't I'm

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Speaker 3: not a coaching staff, but you knew this team and

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Speaker 3: Sanders is at their best with the scripted stuff and

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Speaker 3: this the Fansky stuff and the designer stuff. But you

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Speaker 3: were too soft on them. You know, like the middle

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Speaker 3: Sanders enough. And after that you put the clamps on there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the defense. Doesn't defense played well enough to win?

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Speaker 2: They did in hindsight, it's easy to say, but like

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Speaker 2: all that was missing from the defense was a pick

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Speaker 3: Really all was missing from the whole game is a

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Speaker 2: Yes, because the defense gave up field goal touchdown on

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Speaker 2: little bit on the optimism though, and everything, everything is

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Speaker 3: We dressed to save today. Oh wow, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, hold on, let the record show that I say.

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Speaker 3: It used to make they all crazy if we'd happen

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Speaker 3: to wear the same polo. Well, like we ever asked.

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Speaker 2: But since you and I got finned back from training

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this day to happen.

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Speaker 3: It'sound to happen.

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Speaker 2: Has happened. I'm surprised. Honestly, we made it like three

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Speaker 2: It took us four months before we wore the same

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Speaker 3: While we're not ever setting it up.

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Speaker 2: We just showed up to the seventh grade dance wearing

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Speaker 3: So that happened to me homecoming, Me and four buds.

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Speaker 3: We went to homecoming. There's no internet back then, you know, right,

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Speaker 3: They were all our dates. Gotcha, my date and my

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Speaker 3: buddy Murray's date had the exact same dress on that fair.

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Speaker 3: I mean, two dudes wouldn't care like they were like

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Speaker 2: That's hysterical.

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Speaker 3: Light in the mood yourafice lost.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I didn't need that laugh. Now I'm

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Speaker 2: feeling a little bit better. I everything is still in

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Speaker 2: front of them. They still have the division title to

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Speaker 3: All that and.

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Speaker 2: Another continuing chapter of this league. This year has been

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Speaker 2: such a week to week proposition and a especially this

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers team. They could beat the Ravens twenty eight

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Speaker 2: to ten in the car, wouldn't surprise me? Now, I

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Speaker 2: mean maybe with some of their limitations that they obviously

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Speaker 3: Really are at some points starting wide receivers. No, I'm

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Speaker 3: not even sure Austin is one, but he'd been nice

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Speaker 2: So where my optimism was going into this game is

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Speaker 2: you take care of business, you win the division, you

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Speaker 3: It back capt back for the playoff game, and yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, that to me was the what separated this twenty

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Speaker 3: The dance, and by halftime in the wild Round, you're like,

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Speaker 2: It looked like they're gonna be able to go into

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Speaker 2: Week eighteen, have a one o'clock home kickoff, put their

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Speaker 3: One of which has a punctured lum.

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Speaker 2: So again that's the bigger Yes, they can still win

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Speaker 2: the Division. They can still beat the Ravens, and by

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Speaker 2: the time we get to Thursday or Friday, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: I'll be singing a different tune. But for me, what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when.

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Speaker 2: In reality it was just a call to sack.

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Speaker 2: And that's the most frustrating part to me is even

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Speaker 2: have had a week buffer to rest, to prepare, to

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Speaker 2: more juice heading into the postseason. That's the real missed

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Speaker 3: And this is maybe a little pie in the sky,

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Speaker 3: but couldn't you have been the Patriots. It just destroyed

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Speaker 3: the Jets in a division game when you're a better team,

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Speaker 3: You are allowed to do right couldn't you.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, Ben, if I if I hear one more

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Speaker 2: just to have the Steelers and the Ravens in prime

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Speaker 2: time on Sunday night. No, like, yeah, the league's the

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Speaker 3: Couldn't convert on four three for what.

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Speaker 2: Three for fifteen on third downs or whatever it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Roger Goodell made them do that.

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Speaker 2: Right, exactly right. The league would have loved to have

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Speaker 2: the Bills and the Patriots and still meaningful AFC East act.

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Speaker 2: I realize those teams don't play, but I'm still playing

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Speaker 3: So there's a few narratives we're gonna talk about this

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Speaker 3: week that I hate that are.

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Speaker 2: So foolish, I'm sure. The other one is the Miles

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Speaker 2: about Friarmuth and and hello, see what happens when he

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Speaker 2: to be different from the last handful of years of

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Speaker 2: scratch and claw, and yes, get into the playoffs, which

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Speaker 2: I never want to act like that means nothing, like

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Speaker 2: there are getting into the playoffs is is the baseline

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Speaker 2: act like that means nothing.

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Speaker 3: But to get the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: The goal is not to get in the playoffs. The

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Speaker 2: they've been crystal clear about that. It's why they've turned

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Speaker 2: And that's that's what you know really had me honked

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how you can feel that way

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Speaker 3: Later, Yeah, and some other venting things, you kind of

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Speaker 2: It is it me maybe because you realized since I

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Speaker 3: Probably getting pretty old to driving home. Yeah this stinks, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Taking that bus ride across the miserable landscape of northeast Ohio.

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Speaker 3: If it was the Borough era and you couldn't win

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Speaker 3: in Baltimore, it's like, because they got a really good

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Speaker 2: I can tell you why the Jets couldn't win in

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Speaker 3: Way, Hey can't you beat this team and they're building

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Speaker 3: they're not a good franchise. Yes, right, And again it's

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Speaker 2: Goal, not a few factor in fourth downs.

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Speaker 3: And you row for three on fourth downs, you know,

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Speaker 3: like those were massive and any coupled, as you said,

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Speaker 2: I mean the weighted moments, right, were a a bowling

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Speaker 3: And the biggest reason lost probably like on a down

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Speaker 2: Were the worst team, No, I think they were better

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Speaker 3: I did do, especially once the defense got things set

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Speaker 2: I like to use an analogy that you pull in

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Speaker 2: The Steelers won more.

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Speaker 3: Rounds they did. They did.

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Speaker 2: The Browns just landed the Haymakers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, And it wasn't like the Bills game was

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Speaker 3: how you played this one didn't execute the right times,

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Speaker 3: and clearly you didn't have anyone who could beat band coverage.

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Speaker 2: I mean no, I mean, I mean the past game

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Speaker 3: That's a big problem. And I thought Rogers it was okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but I didn't there's some Monday morning quarterbacking involved.

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Speaker 3: I think he checked that I would have run the

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Speaker 2: That might that might be complaint number one.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty high.

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Speaker 2: Why is he throwing the ball thirty nine times?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: With no DK No Calvin Austin a good Browns defense

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Speaker 3: And the run game is good. They're averaging five point

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Speaker 2: Arn I think had five point six at halftime if

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Speaker 2: It felt like there were a lot of times we

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, despite having second and five,

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Speaker 2: That happened way too often.

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Speaker 3: And we even said, not that we know better than them,

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Speaker 3: by the fourth quarter it'll pay off because the Browns

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Speaker 2: Not You're not gonna have to score twenty some points

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Speaker 2: kind of your opening salvo, your scene setter. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: to the voice of the Steelers, Rob King, all his

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Speaker 2: started here on a Monday West Hueler. Matt Williamson, It's

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Speaker 1: Your tune's about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 2: We'relling along here on the drive on a Monday to

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Speaker 2: behind him throughout that Brown's thirteen Steelers six discippoint performance yesterday.

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Speaker 2: They're in an opportunity for the Steelers to clench the

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Speaker 2: AFC North. Kinger, where are you at today? Are you

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Speaker 2: looking ahead optimistically? You know, Matt and I kind of

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Speaker 2: you know, a blow on Sunday and have a one

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Speaker 2: means everything. On on Sunday night, football in primetime. Where

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Speaker 2: are you at in terms of your optimistic pessimistic glass

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Speaker 2: half full, glass half empty here you know, about twenty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all. It's all that my glasses medium full.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm some of it's negative and some of

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Speaker 4: it's positive. I mean, you know, you lost three straight

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Speaker 4: you know, it was like half a kickoff as people

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Speaker 4: you know, just kind of won comfortably. That's what I

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Speaker 4: you didn't do anything dramatic, but you just simply won

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Speaker 4: the game. You're just a better team and you sort

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're disappointed. He didn't do that. You know,

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Speaker 4: you know with that comes the notion that you could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I understand with the defense, I mean,

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Speaker 4: It was very similar to what we saw a week

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Speaker 4: They had a great jove. I was talking to the

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, when you allow a team ten points on

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Speaker 4: By the same token. You're right, Matt, there was a

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I think there were a lot of those

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Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Huntley or Lamar Jackson at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna need to score more than six. Dk Metcalf

439
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Speaker 2: isn't going to be back. Who knows on Calvin Austin

440
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Speaker 2: will wait and see this week. Darnault Washington broken arm,

441
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Speaker 2: he's not going to be there. Rob to me, this

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Speaker 2: is you know, it's a time where you're searching for

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Speaker 2: answers and there's not a lot of easy context clues

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Speaker 2: for this Steelers offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with what you're saying, you know, by

446
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Speaker 4: the same token. You know there there were a number

447
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Speaker 4: of small plays that happened in this game that that

448
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Speaker 4: leave you scratching your head and leave you thinking, hey,

449
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Speaker 4: a different result, maybe a different approach, and who knows

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Speaker 4: what happens. So for example, you just talked about the

451
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Speaker 4: you know, the miss Chris Boswell field goal. Well, you know,

452
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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers gets sacked to play before that, right, and

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Speaker 4: you know, if you throw the ball away there or

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Speaker 4: if you know, whatever the case may be, you don't

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Speaker 4: get a sack. You know, I don't want to necessarily

456
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Speaker 4: describe blame because you know, I don't go back and

457
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Speaker 4: don't I don't get a chance to see the replay, right,

458
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Speaker 4: I don't get a chance to see what happened. But

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Speaker 4: you know, if that's six yards closer, yeah, you know,

460
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Speaker 4: going in that direction in which you know, watching pregame warmups,

461
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Speaker 4: guys were were barely making you know, long forties or

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Speaker 4: fifty yard field goals. So give that did Chris Boswell

463
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Speaker 4: five yards closer? Six yards closer? I think it was

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Speaker 4: a six yard sack? Who knows what happens. You know,

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Speaker 4: people talk about the decision to go up the sideline

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Speaker 4: to Scotty on the fourth and one, moving in the

467
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Speaker 4: opposite direction. Earlier in the game, I would have liked

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Speaker 4: to have seen the see that run the ball there

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Speaker 4: they're originally were going to there was third and a

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Speaker 4: foot and you know, they lined up in a spread,

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Speaker 4: then came back into an eye formation, and then they're

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Speaker 4: standing around at the line of scrimms trying to get

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Speaker 4: in the right uh, you know, the right formation, and

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Speaker 4: Dylan Cook jumps. You know, I wouldn't mind seeing you

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Speaker 4: just line up there and say, hey, listen, we're gonna

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Speaker 4: get a foot. Let's line up in the eye formation

477
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Speaker 4: and get it, or let's go steal city shove and

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Speaker 4: get it there. There were a lot of moments like that,

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Speaker 4: and when you look back at the game, yeah, you

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Speaker 4: got to score more than six points. They ran the

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Speaker 4: ball effectively. They were three for fifteen on third down,

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Speaker 4: three for fifteen, zero for three on fourth down. That

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Speaker 4: that's just not going to win the ball game. And

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Speaker 4: a lot of those, as I was just mentioning, were

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Speaker 4: manageables and and some plays that just you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: you want a second guest to play calling and whatever

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Speaker 4: whatever you want to do. It doesn't at this stage

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Speaker 4: of the game. It doesn't matter. What matters is you

489
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Speaker 4: were three for fifteen on third down and zero for

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Speaker 4: three on fourth down, and you're not going to win games.

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Speaker 4: And you do that, and so you only score six points.

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Speaker 4: But there were opportunities to score more than six points.

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Speaker 3: Let's stick with Rogers real quick, Rob. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: can't remember an NFL game where a quarterback got less

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Speaker 3: help from their wide receivers. I'm not talking about their

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Speaker 3: pass catchers, they're the wide receiver position. But he also

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Speaker 3: missed some throws. He made some throws he didn't, as

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Speaker 3: he often has this year, elevate those around him against

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Speaker 3: a good d But and I'm not sure this is

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Speaker 3: on him or not. I think some Monday morning quarterbackings

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Speaker 3: involved here too. I would have liked to see the

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Speaker 3: higher percentage of runs that were working well, maybe more

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Speaker 3: targets to Warren and especially gain Well and Friarmouth as well,

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Speaker 3: maybe even John hum You know, you know I'm not

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Speaker 3: even playing.

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Speaker 4: You know there's no short answer to this, because so

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a longer answer, which

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Speaker 4: is that you know we're praising Aaron Rodgers for making

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Speaker 4: decisions to line of scrimmage and taking commanded things. It's

510
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Speaker 4: been a big part of why they've been successful. It's

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Speaker 4: been a big part of why your offense look really

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Speaker 4: good at Baltimore, looked really good against Miami, and looked

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Speaker 4: phenomenal against Detroit. We're we're all praising Aaron Rodgers for

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Speaker 4: when they have the audio telling Kenneth game well, motion

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Speaker 4: out right and run a go route. You know, I

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Speaker 4: mean to talk about drawing it up in the dirt

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Speaker 4: on the fly in a game. He's got those capabilities.

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Speaker 4: In this game, it looked to me, I'm not in

519
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Speaker 4: the huddle. I'm not at the line of scrimmage. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what plays are changing out of or into.

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Speaker 4: It looked to me like when they changed out of plays,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't effect as it's been. And when that happens,

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Speaker 4: what's gonna happen, you're gonna say they should have run

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Speaker 4: the ball more. I brought up this, this, uh, this,

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Speaker 4: and you know a similar circumstance to me where Aaron

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Speaker 4: Rodgers makes a call to line of scrimmage which has

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Speaker 4: been effective more often than it's not been effective. It's

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Speaker 4: against the Chargers late you need a score. You're starting

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Speaker 4: to run the ball more effectively. You got a second

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Speaker 4: and six. You've got to look. I think it was

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Speaker 4: a sweep to the right call. That's the way everybody moved.

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Speaker 4: But Aaron Rodgers sees DK Metcalf's can run a slant.

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Speaker 4: So and a quarterback has these abilities to just you know,

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Speaker 4: get the snap, stand up and make a throw, whether

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Speaker 4: it's out to the flat or what have you. He

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Speaker 4: sees dk Metcalf and Bud Duprie drops in front of

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Speaker 4: that coverage. And and now the play is not gonna work.

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Speaker 4: And and you can't anticipate that Bud's gonna do that, right,

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Speaker 4: So I want air and and that's a play that

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Speaker 4: didn't work. But I want Aaron Rodgers to have the

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Speaker 4: freedom to do that because it's been part of why

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Speaker 4: you've been successful. It looked to me like some of

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Speaker 4: those in instances weren't effective. Yesterday it didn't work, and

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Speaker 4: so you know, what, what are you gonna do? What

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Speaker 4: are you gonna say? Uh, hey, Hall of Fame quarterback,

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Speaker 4: You don't get to do that anymore.

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Speaker 3: No, but but yes.

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Speaker 4: To see the Steelers maybe make some of those decisions

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Speaker 4: running the ball look, yeah, I mean I said, matt

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Speaker 4: you know, you and I do a show and called

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Speaker 4: the matchup with Missy Matthews every week. Every week I

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Speaker 4: say the same thing. Yeah, wish the Steers run the

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Speaker 4: ball bore. You know. I like their running backs. I

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Speaker 4: like the running game. I think the running game is effective.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was effective yesterday. I would have liked

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Speaker 4: to have seen more of it. But it's not so

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Speaker 4: easy to say, well, you just have to do that,

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Speaker 4: because part of what has made you effective is some

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Speaker 4: of those changes and some of those things at the

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Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. I will say this the other point

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Speaker 4: you made in there. You know that receiving corps, the

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Speaker 4: five wide receivers that the students put out there yesterday

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Speaker 4: as members of the students because steel and had a

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Speaker 4: few catches at the vikings, but as a group, as

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Speaker 4: a collective, as Steelers pass catchers, they had twenty eight

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Speaker 4: receptions between them twenty eight Yeah, and Gainwell and Warren.

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Speaker 4: I believe the number was ninety eight between them, and

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Speaker 4: I think they had three catches between them and Warren.

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Speaker 4: I don't think was even targeted in the game, and

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Speaker 4: so you know, maybe, but again, the Browns know that too.

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Speaker 4: They've got an excellent defensive coordinator. Did they did they

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Speaker 4: scheme against that?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Man, I leave those things up to Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 4: Arthur Smith. I don't know. I'm not paid to be

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Speaker 4: an offensive coordinator, and I don't Matt, you and I

577
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Speaker 4: were having a conversation earlier today about you know this, Hey, look,

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Speaker 4: you know, look at it. Here's a freeze frame of

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Speaker 4: Gainwell was open over the middle. They've been inducted to

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Speaker 4: him on that that last play from the goal line. Well,

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Speaker 4: I didn't see it that way. You didn't see it

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Speaker 4: that way. I think if he throws that pass, Delpit

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Speaker 4: and Sweeshinger come up and make the stop of the

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Speaker 4: three yard line and the game's over. So you know,

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Speaker 4: everybody can second guest the next day, right, And so

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Speaker 4: what I'd like to see the run the ball more

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Speaker 4: and stick with a run more. Yes, that's circling back.

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Speaker 4: I think I answered your question fourteen differently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you mentioned how they did do a lot

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Speaker 3: of good things, and I do think the running game

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Speaker 3: remains a good thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, they ran the ball well, they were These

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Speaker 4: are the things that I've liked. Okay, they've the in

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Speaker 4: the three game winning streak going on here. They've done

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Speaker 4: a good job against the run. That included Derrick Henry

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Speaker 4: twenty five carries ninety four yards. Signed me up right,

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Speaker 4: they've done well against the run. You know certain play

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Speaker 4: like I think Cam Heyward's playing his best football. I

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Speaker 4: think Alex Heismith's of course, and continues to be a force.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot of things to like

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Speaker 4: about what the defense is doing. They've run the ball.

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Speaker 4: They didn't run the ball effectively against Baltimore, but they've

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Speaker 4: run it effectively ever since, including yesterday. You know the

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Speaker 4: turnover culture, right you. They'd won ten straight games in

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Speaker 4: which they won the turnover battle. That didn't happen. They

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Speaker 4: won the turnover battle. I know the fourth downs and

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Speaker 4: miss field goals, Matt and I agree with you should

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Speaker 4: be counted as turnovers. They're not. You'd won ten straight games,

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Speaker 4: not only did you in which you hadn't turned I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: ten straight games in which you hadn't turned them all over.

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Speaker 4: They didn't turn them all over, and they got to turnovers.

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Speaker 4: So many things that happen in this game that if

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Speaker 4: you had told me this is what's gonna happen before

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Speaker 4: the game, I would have told you if Steelers are

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Speaker 4: gonna win, and so do we chuck this out the window. Well,

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Speaker 4: we'll find out Sunday night, right, Because if you're if

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Speaker 4: you're trending in the right direction, and you're good enough

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Speaker 4: to win with the way you've been playing, then you'll

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Speaker 4: win on Sunday night. And if you aren't, then you

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Speaker 4: won't and you won't make the playoffs. That's a beauty

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Speaker 4: about the games. You go out and play them.

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Speaker 2: And they're gonna have to go out and play one

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Speaker 2: Sunday night in prime time. Rob King, I know you're

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Speaker 2: excited about that, baby on Sunday listen.

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Speaker 4: Man, with with the emotions are like, you're bumming because

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Speaker 4: you're down because you had a golden opportunity against the

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Speaker 4: team that I think you should have beaten and you

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Speaker 4: were favored to beat. And I know you've had troubles

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Speaker 4: up there, but you know you're down because of that.

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Speaker 4: But as this week goes on, the knowledge in the

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Speaker 4: back of my mind is the week goes on and

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Speaker 4: it's going to be so exciting Sunday night at Acre Sure.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait for that, man, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I would have rather had Aaron Rodgers resting that left wrist,

635
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Speaker 2: and too, Jalen Ramsey in sweats, and Cam Hayward and sweats.

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Speaker 2: But it will be exciting at eight point fifteen, when

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Speaker 2: the towels are swirling and the fireworks are going off

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Speaker 2: and Rob King's booming voice is ringing across the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Kinger, thanks for the time, as always, partner.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: You got it, guys, Thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: There he goes voice of your Pittsburgh Steelers, Rob King,

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Speaker 2: plenty to get into there that he touched on. Matt

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Speaker 2: some more specifics that I want to dive into here

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Speaker 2: in our final segment of the first hour when we

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Speaker 2: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: Rolling along here on the drive our final week of

651
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Speaker 2: shows here in twenty twenty five, as it is approaching

652
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: the new year, and a final opportunity for the Steelers

653
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: to get the hat in the T shirt and the

654
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: AFC North Division champions. Of course, it will be Sunday

655
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: night eight, twenty Sunday Night Football against the Ravens. Matt

656
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: more than we have to get to here. But Kinger

657
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: brought this up. But I think you and I did

658
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: want to touch on this at some point the Miles

659
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: Garrett postgame, you know, the I think the Steelers, all

660
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: that we're doing, all that they came in to stop

661
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: me from getting the record, and that ended up costing them.

662
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: And I've seen that all over the place. I'm sure

663
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: you've seen it and gotten tweets about It makes me crazy.

664
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: I like that far out there that, oh, it costs

665
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: the Steelers and all they wanted to do was slow

666
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: down Miles Garrett. Well, yeah, he's the defensive player of

667
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 2: the year in a wrecking force. You know like that,

668
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense that you would try

669
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: and take that guy out of the game. I don't know.

670
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: It felt to me like the same game plan that

671
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: they had against the Browns a couple months ago. You

672
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: just didn't have DK Metcalf and Calvin Austin. You didn't

673
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: have anybody who could get open, and therefore Aaron Rodgers,

674
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: instead of throwing seven eight yard completions, was throwing for

675
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: two yard games, two yard losses. It just there was

676
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: there was a lack of rhythm there that I think

677
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: is easy to blame on. They were so focused on

678
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, and they were focused on Miles Garrett, there's

679
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: no doubt, but that's been every time they've played Miles Garrett.

680
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: They just they didn't have enough to overcome making taking

681
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: him and making him a focal point requires a lot

682
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: of other guys winning their one on ones. When you're

683
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: devoting extra resources to Miles Garrett, a lot of other

684
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: guys have to win their one on ones in five

685
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: out in routes, and nobody else was winning their one

686
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: on ones.

687
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, so people look at it the wrong way.

688
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: You know, they were too focused on the record. I

689
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: don't think they gave a crap about the record.

690
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I think they did. I

691
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: think that part's.

692
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 3: Fair or Buffalo the week before it did. No one

693
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: wants to be the team you break the record.

694
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Correct, but especially the Steelers against him. And that's fine,

695
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: like there's history there and feelings there, But I.

696
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: Will contend that their game plan wouldn't have changed one

697
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: bit if he set the record last week or if

698
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: this was week two.

699
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yes, I completely agree with you

700
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: on that right.

701
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean the way that Garrett phrased it, that everyone

702
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: ran with was they were more concerned about me not

703
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: getting the record and goes to winning the game. No,

704
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: the way to win the game is to make sure

705
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: you don't wreck it because you're awesome. You know, this

706
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: is a compliment to you. It has nothing to do

707
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: with the number in your sack category. At the moment,

708
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: you're gonna game plan the exact same way. The Bills did,

709
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: the exact same thing. They never ran at him, They

710
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: doubled him like mad men. Every time they threw, They

711
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: took the ball out of Josh Allen, the MVP's hands.

712
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: They just happened to end up with a win, you know.

713
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: I mean, that's smart. That's what people did. The Lawrence

714
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: Taylor and Reggie White and Aaron Donald. You're that level player.

715
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Watt has gotten this in his career too,

716
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, it's not that we

717
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: can't stand you breaking the record against the Pittsburgh Steelers,

718
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: it's we want to win this game, and the way

719
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: to do it is to give you an extreme amount

720
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: of attention.

721
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: And when that's the case, when you're devoting extra resources

722
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: to one guy, you gotta win your one on once.

723
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: And they didn't have any They didn't have anybody that

724
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 2: could do that to do it right. And you combine

725
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: that with what was not Aaron Rodgers' best game. I

726
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: think he's I think he said as much postgame, like

727
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: his guys weren't getting open for him, but there was

728
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: also some times that he missed some guys. You know,

729
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: both both of both of those things were true, and

730
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: that's just one of.

731
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: Those listen man coverage period.

732
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: This is you know a lot of people tweet and

733
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: comment about how much you love Miles Garrett, and you know,

734
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: why don't you why, why don't why don't you Why

735
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: don't you go? Why don't you go? Give Miles Garrett

736
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: a big hug and a big snoochy kiss. Matt Williamson,

737
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: Here's where I'll go on the other side and put

738
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: on my black and gold glasses. Miles Garrett loves doing

739
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: this anytime the Browns beat the Steelers.

740
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh he knows what buttons he loves.

741
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: In his postgame interview talking about how I'm better than

742
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: TJ and I'm the alpha in this league, and I

743
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: do this, and I do that. He loves to run

744
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: with a narrative when it's convenient.

745
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: Great.

746
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: Now they lose, and he's like, I could only do

747
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: so much. We can only do so much on the defense.

748
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: You know, we're only out there for half of the game.

749
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: Teams are teams are keying on me and taking me

750
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: out of the game plan. But then when he beats

751
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: the Steelers, he acts like he's you know, Haul Cogan

752
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: cutting a promo in the middle WrestleMania three.

753
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: Right when I talk about Miles Garrett's because I'm his

754
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: best friend. I mean, there's probably a lot of athletes

755
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: I'm not we don't want to hang out with. But

756
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: what he does on the field is really good.

757
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then he runs his mouth like an absolute

758
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: JABBRONI despite him being on a four win team that,

759
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: by the way, less than a year ago he requested

760
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: a trade from because he said, I'm never gonna win here,

761
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: and he's right there you go. Now, everybody on this

762
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: show can stop accusing us of being a bunch of

763
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett fanboys.

764
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: He but it's not about we can't allow this guy

765
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: to beat the record against this franchise. No, we're the game.

766
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: I would I would beat Matt. I think it would

767
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: be disingenuous to think that that wasn't a conversation point

768
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: at all throughout the week for the Steelers. Oh sure, hey,

769
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: you want this. You want this guy to do this

770
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: to break TJ's record against you, Like, but.

771
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: Dylan Cook, you want to be the one that's on

772
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 3: the poster. Blah blah blah.

773
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: It's not.

774
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: It's not three or four days of practice in preparation

775
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: of like whatever, no matter what over our dead bodies

776
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: is Miles Garrett, if you got to hold onto his

777
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: leg and you know, the.

778
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: Way Rob's phrased it on a different show was if

779
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: Garrett had two sacks and they off the game and

780
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: they award them all that, you know, all the wonderful things.

781
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: But the Steelers drive home with a win. They take

782
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: it every time. Yeah, they take it every time. Yep.

783
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: Right, And ideally you would add the best of both worlds. Right,

784
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: You find a way to win. You find a way

785
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: to limit, Miles Garrett. You get the hat.

786
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 3: How you win is your limit?

787
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, correct, correct, and again last time you were

788
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: able to do that. I mean here, if you can

789
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: give me a quick second to pull up the box

790
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: score from the last time the Steelers played the Browns,

791
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: which was of course.

792
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: He did not yes that act every time since that too.

793
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: Now he can influence the game in other ways too.

794
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: He's got a million tackles for loss. He's good getst

795
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 3: a run, no doubt, double team, no doubt. It doesn't

796
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: mean like he didn't show up yesterday.

797
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right. But for example, the last time

798
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: the Steelers and the Browns played, when they had a

799
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: similar game plan, uh for Miles Garrett, I thought it

800
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: was like almost a carbon copy type.

801
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll probably happen next time they played Browns too.

802
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf had ninety DK Metcalf had ninety five yards

803
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: and a touchdown. Darnell Washington had sixty two yards averaged

804
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: over twenty yards of reception. Connor Hayward had a double

805
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: digit reception. Roman Wilson had a double digit reception. Pat

806
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: Fryermouth double digit reception. Darnell had a thirty six yarder.

807
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf had a twenty five yarder. You threw for

808
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty five yards in the air the

809
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: last time you played the Browns. That's the difference.

810
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: That's the difference, right when you.

811
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: Can't throw and your devoting extra resources rightfully, So to

812
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, that's the issue. You didn't really run the

813
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: ball that successfully against the Browns in that first outing.

814
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: You had one hundred yards exactly on twenty eight carries,

815
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: just three point six. But what you did have, Matt

816
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: was twenty one receptions and average of eleven point two

817
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 2: yards and multiple explosives and long games. You had none

818
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: of that.

819
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: I don't remember that game like I do remember this

820
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: past game, but I think Rogers was checking the throws

821
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: against man coverage, against single high, because that's what the

822
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: Browns do, and and this week you do it with

823
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: guys that can't get open against band coverage, against single high,

824
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: against a really good defense at doing that, I mean,

825
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: that's the nuts and bolts of the difference between those

826
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: two games. Like I read this today, So when the

827
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: Steelers were in twelve personnel, one back, two tight ends,

828
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: back to two tight ends, one hundred percent of the snaps

829
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: at wide receiver were Thieling and mvs and twelve personnel

830
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: the only.

831
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: Two because there's two wide receivers on the field as well.

832
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 3: One hundred percent of them in twelve were those two

833
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: guys when they went to eleven and took a tight

834
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: end off the field and added a receiver, one hundred

835
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: percent of the snaps were mvs Thelan Scotty Miller and

836
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: Scotty Miller. The only time Rooman Wilson or any other

837
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: receiver even saw the field was when they were in thirteen.

838
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: Wilson got a few snaps when there were three tight

839
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: ends on the field. Now, if one hundred percent of

840
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: your twelve and thirteen snaps are going to be Miller

841
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: feeling who just got cut? Who Miller could get cut

842
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: at any point and he didn't think.

843
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: He was one of their best five coming out of

844
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: Latrobe in August, right.

845
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: And Mvs who's been on like four teams in five

846
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: years and anyone could have had him two months ago.

847
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: It's not good enough. I mean, it's just not good enough.

848
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 3: And you're happy those guys are here. Would be even

849
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: worse with.

850
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: I guess was Scotty Miller on the initial fifty three

851
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: He might have been, I think, but then he was,

852
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: but then he was demoted.

853
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: Borderline of fifty three guys has been there's anyone on

854
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: the team. All yes, you know, and I like them.

855
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: It'd be worse off without those guys, no doubt picking them.

856
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: It's not the wrong move. It's just that's what you're

857
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: down to. What was it a couple of years ago

858
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: when they're pulling linebackers and safeties off the couch, I

859
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: mean that's kind of what they're doing.

860
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was two seasons ago, I think when they

861
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: I mean they were they were getting guys that weren't

862
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: even on practice squads. Yeah, that were just you know,

863
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: at home on the couch, as Matt Williamson just said, there,

864
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: and they.

865
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Speaker 3: Could be a supporting actor. They can't beat a nero.

866
00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right, And that's and then that gets exacerbated

867
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: when it's fourth and one and you throw downfield to

868
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: Scotty Miller just.

869
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: Right, and a lot of me you can blame Rogers

870
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: for that decision or sure, hey, if you want to

871
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: give them a hard time, why would you throw it

872
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl corner with Valdez scantling three times in

873
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 3: a row, Have at it. I'm not going to defend

874
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 3: them for that stuff, you know.

875
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: Just again, those weighty moments every time they had an opportunity,

876
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: like you know the sort they came up short. You know,

877
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: you finally get that Sawyer. You know, the Browns go

878
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: turnover on downs and then the next possession, Sawyer gets

879
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: the interception, gives you the ball and plus territory. You do,

880
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: you have that fourth and one downfield to Scotty Miller.

881
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: You didn't run the ball. You didn't go to mouth

882
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: who was open over the middle of the field. All

883
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: that momentum that you had in that moment was that,

884
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: all right, we're down a touchdown. Here we go. Sawyer

885
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: sets us up about the tie this game before halftime.

886
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: We get the ball back at half, you get no points.

887
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: Momentum zapped. You know, you end up settling for a

888
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: field goal. Like, yeah, you didn't get down into the

889
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: red zone very often. No, I mean, did they have

890
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: one red zone snap until that final sequence.

891
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: With with MVS.

892
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: I think I rained one play in the red zone

893
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: until that final drive. That's that's not the way to

894
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: get I don't care how bad the opponent is that

895
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: you're playing, You're you're gonna struggle when that's the case. Boss,

896
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: to make the kick too, to make a kick. And

897
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: I know, I know a lot absolutely right. I know

898
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: a lot of things didn't go their way, Mack, but

899
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: some things did like that, like that that interception to

900
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar was terrible by Shador Sanders. The Steelers had

901
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: three fumbles that either bounced right back to them or

902
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: one that was like a pseudo pass from Aaron Rodgers

903
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: to John O. Smith n bounce. Jalen Warren fumbles on

904
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: the first drive, you get it back. M VS fumbles

905
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: out of halftime, you get it back. The Aaron Rodgers

906
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: one that like got hit and sacked out of his hands,

907
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: that goes right into John news Smith's arms. Like, they

908
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: had a lot of things go their way.

909
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 3: Like, boy, isn't your day? You didn't get any bounces.

910
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: The refs killed Yeah, blah blah blah. I didn't love

911
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 3: the way the rest.

912
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: No, I didn't either, but I thought they were bad

913
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: on both sides. I thought they were real bad on

914
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: both sides. Like that sequence. That sequence at the end

915
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: of the first quarter was a perfect example where that

916
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: really bad. They have that horrible O p I on

917
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: MVS that cost that cost the Steelers a first down,

918
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: but then the next play they run it back with

919
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: a terrible taunting call on the on the on the

920
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: Browns to give the to give the Steelers.

921
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: A first down, like NHL makeup call.

922
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: Felt exactly like an NBA or an NHL makeup call.

923
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: If we just missed this one, well we'll get it

924
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: back on the other end. No, just get it right

925
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: the first time.

926
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: Just up.

927
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's like the the body weight same.

928
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: Even though I know that that's like the letter of

929
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: the law type thing, I still think that that was

930
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: not the right example. He's like trying to take half

931
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: of his body off of him and taking at the

932
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 2: time he was engaged with a defensive lineman. Like that's

933
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: just that's tough. It is, you know, two turnovers, no

934
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: points off of the Like every time you had the

935
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: ball and plus territory, it felt like you found a

936
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: way to go backwards or or just to stumble special teams,

937
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: uncharacteristic stuff there too, like you mentioned it. Just yeah,

938
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: it was it was a it was a kind of

939
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: masterclass of everything that could go wrong did go wrong.

940
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're right, it's a great point about like

941
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: there were fumbles that you your fumble luck was good,

942
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 3: you know, like.

943
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: This it was like go play the power ball. Yeah, yeah, good,

944
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: and then luck in that department so and and you

945
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: know you had some you had some bad luck in

946
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: some in some moments as well. But it just it

947
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: comes back to I think, really those weighty moments, so

948
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: many of those third and fourth the game.

949
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: I know we're like up against it too. But I

950
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of respect for shut Or going in,

951
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 3: nor would I change my opinion greatly. But I thought

952
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: he played a good game.

953
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he did what he did what he

954
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: needed to do to navigate them to a win.

955
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: That Dugger interception was horrendous, but I thought played better

956
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: than I expected him to.

957
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. I agree with you

958
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: on that. I mean, seventeen of twenty three one hundred

959
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: and eighty six yards eight point one average.

960
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: He avoided sacks.

961
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I only took two sacks.

962
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: Taking a ton of them. They got a lot of

963
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: pressure on him and they didn't get him the ground.

964
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 2: And it's not like they were running the ball well either.

965
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: I mean he was kind of they're they're.

966
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: All in stuff.

967
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: He had a lot of fan in early Yeah, right, Yeah,

968
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: that's a great points. The new Judkins lost fan in

969
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: early was getting the ball to Tillman was getting the

970
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: ball to Judy.

971
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, made well over the middle.

972
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made a couple of plays with his legs.

973
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: You know, had a had twenty yards rushing, had that

974
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: one long eleven yard or to pick up a first

975
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: down I think it was, or at least maybe make

976
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: a third down manageable for Cleveland.

977
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

978
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: As a Steeler fan, I hope he.

979
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: I hope they run it back with him.

980
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, get them out of the quarterback market. Yeah,

981
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: and I'd love to see him there as long as

982
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 3: possible because I don't think he's the answer.

983
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: But but he did what he had to do.

984
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 3: He did well.

985
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: I mean, again on that list of like the dt

986
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: rs and all these the Jamis Winston's, all these different

987
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that we've seen these last four years at the

988
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: Steelers of lost in Cleveland. They did just enough for

989
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 2: their team to be able to, you know, to engineer victory.

990
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: They didn't go out and win the game, but they

991
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: didn't lose it either. There might have been one or

992
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: two questionable decisions and turnovers, but they made some plays

993
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah. No, that that definitely deserves a mention.

994
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean they held the Browns at just

995
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: three point one yards rushing.

996
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: I tried not to make the mistake on Mondays after

997
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: Steeler losses. The factor that the opponent had nothing to

998
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 3: do with it, sure, especially the opposing quarterback.

999
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: Their start was very important. Getting that ten tohing lead

1000
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: out of the gate was important for them. It was

1001
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: important for putting the Steelers behind the eight ball. It

1002
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: really showed up in the end. Let's continue talking about

1003
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: this game, dissecting all these different angles and elements and

1004
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: conversation pieces. Halfway home. One hour in the books, another

1005
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: hour to go, Euler Williamson. It's the Drive on Steelers

1006
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