WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: I Wanna Know 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:04.640 Hi again, everybody. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.320 I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth Podcast, 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:13.760 the I Want to Know edition as we get impartial 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.320 analysis of the Bengals draft class from one of the 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.840 best in the business, Greg Cosel from NFL Films and 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:24.239 the NFL Matchup show on ESPN plus one on one 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:28.160 conversations with first round draft pick Miles Murphy and one 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.760 of his new teammates, Joseph Osai, who tells us how 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:36.480 fans at a UC basketball game boosted his confidence after 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.560 that costly penalty in the AFC Championship game. The Bengals 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.519 Booth Podcast is brought to you by Bengals Picks and 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.560 Ultimate Bengals. They're free to play with tickets and signed 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.880 merchandise up for grabs. Find both inside the Bengals app. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.640 Now here's a quick reminder that you can have the 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.560 latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.680 or computer by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:06.720 the greatest thing since the birthday boy. My son Sam 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.880 turned seventeen this week. When you become a parent for 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.720 the first time, every other parent that you talk to 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.520 tells you to savor it because time will fly by. Well, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.800 they weren't lying. It seems like only yesterday I was 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.880 reading Sam bedtime stories. Now I'm tossing him the keys 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.720 to the car. In any case, Peg and I are 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.880 very proud parents of a great kid and one of 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.640 the world's biggest Bengals fans. In fact, one of his 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.399 birthday wishes this year was one of those garish necklace 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.400 chains with a big Bengals logo on the end that 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.120 will be part of his game day attire at Peikor 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.360 Stadium next year. Now, let's get to my first guest. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.280 Everywhere you look these days, folks are breaking down NFL 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.680 game video, from former players to knowledgeable fans. It's helped 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:02.080 all of us better understand a complicated sport. Greg Cosell 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.480 was one of the first people to study the tape 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:09.400 and share his observations publicly. Nearly forty years ago, he 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.639 helped NFL Films create the NFL Matchup Show, and for decades, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.520 Greg has been one of the most respected analysts in 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.000 the game. One of his annual tasks is to study 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.639 draft prospects. He looks at more than two hundred each year, 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.720 and he joined me this week to discuss the Bengals 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:31.840 picks and their moves in free agency. It is always 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.000 a treat to talk football with my friend Greg Cosell, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.920 especially less than a week after the NFL Draft, because 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.080 I know how much tape you have been studying to 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.880 be informed about these guys. Let's start with the Bengals 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.359 first pick, Miles Murphy, the defensive end from Clemson. He's 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.480 roughly six five to seventy nearly thirty four inch arms. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.400 He ran a four five forty. What did you see 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.079 on tape when you watched Miles Murphy? 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.080 Yeah, this guy looks the part Dan. I actually watched 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.640 him last summer with his twenty twenty one tape, and 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.680 of course watched him this year with his twenty twenty 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:06.760 two tape. I thought he actually improves meaningfully this year 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.160 from last year. He showed a little bit more bend 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.760 in flexibility. But what his signature really is is speed 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.600 to power with an outstanding one arm stab. That's really 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.360 his game, and the one big key for him is 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.200 really timing the snapcount because when he could get off 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:30.040 the ball right away, he was explosive with his acceleration 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.840 and challenging the offensive technique. The technique of offensive tackles, 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.120 you must be able to challenge the high side, you know, 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.800 meaning the outside arc. If you can't do that as 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.960 a pass rusher, it's very hard to be a good 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.080 pass rusher. And he showed better ability to do that 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.320 in his last year at Clemson than he did in 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.560 twenty twenty one. But he is ultimately a speed to 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.280 power rusher. He's also really good with secondary movement. He 0:03:55.360 --> 0:04:00.440 can redirect, he can retrace, he's he's a very competitive player. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.760 I have seen some people have this criticism that the 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.480 production doesn't quite match the physical gifts. Yep, his single 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.840 season high for sacks with seven. Is that a concern 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:12.880 in your mind? 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.600 It's a concern in the sense that at this moment 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.119 in time, he does not really have counters. And that's 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.479 why the production doesn't match the physical traits because once 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.160 if the speed to power did not work, there wasn't 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.880 much more for him to do at this moment. That's 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.520 going to have to be worked on through the OTAs, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.640 through training camp, and obviously, as you well know you've 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.320 been doing this a long time, one move is not 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.080 enough in the National Football League to be a quality 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:46.040 edge pass rusher. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.400 That sounds to me like something that a good defensive 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.159 line coach can teach. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.599 And I would agree with that, which is why he's 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.120 a first round pick. Because the size, the length, and 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.160 the overall traits are there. You just need to expand 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:01.760 the arsenal. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:02.840 All right. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.880 There were several good cornerback prospects in this draft. The 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.560 Bengals picked the fastest of the bube unpick DJ Turner 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.960 out of Michigan. Did you have him ranked among the 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.800 upper tier of cornerbacks in this year's class? 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.080 Upper tier? How do you want to define that? He 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.279 was not among my first three or four, But that's okay. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.360 It was a very good cornerback draft. Obviously, as you said, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.480 he ran a four to two six at the combine. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.240 You know, he's five eleven in a quarter. He's light, 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.159 he's one seventy eight, So now you're dealing with a 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:41.440 frame that's a little smaller than ideally desired. He's not 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.720 really a physical player, but he's unbelievably good at mirror 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.720 match press man, and by mirror match, I mean you 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.400 play press, you wait for the receiver to declare his 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.320 release off the line of scrimmage, and then you react 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.040 to him. It's taught either getting in his hip pocket, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.839 reacting to his shoulder, it doesn't matter. You react to 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:05.159 the release. And he has quick, explosive feet. He's got 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.120 really loose fluid hips, and boy does he have the 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.880 easy deep speed dan to run with receivers in mirror match. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.440 I mean, so many times guys would try to run 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.080 vertically and it looked like he was just out there 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.919 jogging and he was running with him. So his speed 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:24.160 really does show up on film. Now. One thing that 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.720 is a little bit of a concern. Sometimes fast guys, 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.960 and I learned this from an old friend of yours 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.080 who I've gotten to Noel TJ. Huschman Zada, Sometimes fast 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.279 guys struggle to stop. So sometimes when he would be 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.880 running with what appeared to be a vertical route and 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.280 it would end up being a curl or a comeback, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.520 it took him too many steps to stop. That's a 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.479 common issue for guys that are really fast, and that's 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:50.520 going to have to be worked on. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.840 It was interesting after the pick Bengals defensive coordinator lou 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:59.159 Anarumo spoke about his recovery speed. To Lou that was 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.239 the key to alf four to two six, not looking 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.039 good at the Combine. But if he makes a mistake, 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.280 and they all do at some point, the ability to 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.000 recover because of his natural gifts. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.760 And it looked so easy. Believe me, it really looked 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.120 like it was a walk in the park for him. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.000 All right, let's move to the third round. I'm really 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.360 interested to get your thoughts on third round pick Jordan Battle, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.240 the safety out of Alabama. The Bengals met with him 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.520 at the Combine. They put on the tape and they 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.680 said his understanding of football was as good as anybody 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.560 they've ever interviewed at the combine. Does that show up 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:37.880 when you watch him on tape. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:42.480 Absolutely. This guy started forty five games at Alabama and 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.160 when I and keep in mind he's not a great athlete, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.080 so when you watch his tape, his game is built 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.520 on Here's what I type, just, you know, talking about 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.760 the Bengals, and I guess we see things the same way. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.040 I get lucky once in a while, Dan, you know, so, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.800 I said his game is built on high level mental 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.240 acuity with a full understanding of both his assignments and 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.560 opposing offenses. That's exactly what I said about Jordan Battle. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:10.440 That's what he is He's an incredibly smart, aware, intuitive player. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.000 The reason he's a third round pick and not higher 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.800 is because he's not a high level athlete. So now 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.520 you have to think, what does that mean in the 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.200 context of your defense? You know, can he match up 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.760 to tight ends? He's probably not a post safety, even 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.640 though he played a ton of post safety at Alabama. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.760 But that's college football, you know. I don't think he's 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.480 a replacement for Bates, not in my mind anyway, but 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.319 you know, maybe I'll be wrong, but this guy is 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.360 incredibly intelligent, the way in which he plays the game. 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.920 Is his skill set more of a replacement for von Bell? 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.040 Yes, I would say for sure it would be more 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:51.760 of a replacement for von Bell. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.360 Absolutely following the pick. Quite honestly, the more I learned 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.959 about him, the more I watched, the more I thought 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.520 von Bell. Yeah, does he remind you of von Bell? 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.400 I don't know if he reminds me, you know, apples 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.559 to apples, But he's that kind of player. And I 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.240 got to know Bryce Young a little bit, and I 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.680 saw him at an event last year and we were 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.840 actually talking about Jordan Battle. I said, hey, I was 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.880 surprised he decided to come back and Bryce Young said 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.400 to me, he said, hey, we're so glad he did 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.559 because he is he is the team. He said, he's 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.679 the guy at Alabama, you know, so he's that kind 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.640 of guy. He's super intelligent. He controls everything in a 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.720 good way. That's the kind of player he is. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.080 We are visiting with a great Greg Cosel from NFL 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.880 Films in the NFL Matchup Show. In the fourth round, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.760 the Bengals took wide receiver and return specialist Charlie Jones 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.600 from Purdue. He led the nation and catches last year 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.040 with one hundred and ten. He had a couple of 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:53.160 return touchdowns in his college career. He's got four four 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.600 to three speed, so he is significantly faster than the 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:02.040 Bengals depth receivers like Trent Irwin and Trent Taylor. What 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:03.240 do you think of Charlie Jones. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.840 Yeah, Charlie Jones, I think we'll have to move into 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.160 the slot in the NFL. You know, he's one hundred 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.679 and seventy five pounds. He's a little more straight linish. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.600 You know, he's got really good straight line speed. He's 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.559 not a shifty, sink your hips in and out of 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.720 breaks kind of route runner. He kind of needs free access, 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.520 which is another reason I think he'll move inside. Those 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.000 guys more often than not can be used as motion 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.080 movement receivers. As you know, you want do you want 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.319 him to generate some velocity into his routes because he's 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.120 much more, as I said, a speed cut receiver than 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.640 he is as a sink your hips guy, you know, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.760 And that also minimizes the press coverage, because that's a question, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.160 you know, can he beat pressman coverage consistently? But he 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.080 can run, and you know he has. He had a 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.959 really big day against Garrett Williams, who was a corner 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.480 from Syracuse who was a draft choice and is a 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.480 really good corner prospect, So you know, he's an interesting 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.400 guy that but there's reasons he's drafted in the fourth round, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.120 and it has to do with the fact that he's 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.320 even though he can run, he's pretty straight linish. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.480 In the fifth round, the Bengals took running back Chase 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.800 Brown out of Illinois, another guy with four to four 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.720 speed and in his case of forty inch verticals, so 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.480 he's got some explosiveness. He was third in the country 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.360 last year in rushing yards per game. What are his 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:20.479 strengths and weaknesses. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.920 Yeah, I liked him. I mean, he's got a compact frame, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.400 he's got a very low center of gravity. He was 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.200 used last year as a volume runner at Illinois. You're 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.360 dealing with a guy that's tough, competitive urgent. He's got 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:37.960 strong downhill trades. He's got a sustaining mentality, which is 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.640 different than saying that he's a powerful runner, because he's 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.720 not a powerful runner. Even though he runs hard and 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:48.880 runs physically and competitively tough, he's not really powerful or strong. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.240 So he does have really good speed. He can take 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.960 it to the house. I think he's got great vision 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.080 once he gets to the second and third levels of 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.000 the defense. He's got a natural feel for where pursue 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.440 who is coming from. He can, you know, as I said, 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.600 he can take it the distance, so he does bring 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.480 an explosive dimension. I think for the Bengals he's a 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.320 really good pick because this is not a team. Number one, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.720 they don't play at a base personnel hardly at all. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.079 They play out a three wide, so the defense is 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.960 a little more spread. And number two, they don't really 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.320 ask their back even with Joe Mixon, as you know, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.080 to carry twenty times every week. There may be a 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.319 week that that happens, but that's not really the way 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:28.600 their offense is structured. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.920 They lost so much Jp Ryan to free agency to 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.079 the Denver Broncos. He was getting a lot of third 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.640 down snaps last year. Do you think that Chase Brown 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.200 is a likely guy to get some of those snaps 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:41.440 or what could his role. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:42.160 Be as a rookie? 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.920 He could? I mean, he showed excellent hands as a receiver. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.160 He was used at Illinois. He ran a lot of 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.360 wheel routes out of the backfield, which are our real 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.480 routes as opposed to check downs or flat route So 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.440 he did run those kinds of routes. He caught the 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.200 ball very easily. Could he be a third down back? 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.839 You and I both know there's many factors that are 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.679 involved with that, but if you're just talking about the hands, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.920 he could do that all right? 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.960 Onto the sixth round and I imagine you were really 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.320 interested when you studied this guy. Andre Yosi Vash the 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.679 wide receiver out of Princeton an All American hetathletes, so 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.960 he know he can sprint and pull, vault and do 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.000 the shot. But how good is he as a wide 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:24.920 receiver prospect. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.120 Yeah, he was an interesting watch because obviously he played 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.199 at Princeton, and you know, his athletic profile is elite, 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.760 no question about it. But you know what was interesting 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.360 to me watching his tape is I expected him to 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.000 run by corners in the IVY League much more than 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.160 he did. I don't think he played to his time speed, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.720 you know, but his short shuttle time was ridiculously good. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.880 I mean, the traits, the testing traits are ridiculous. But 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.520 there'll be a developmental curve for this guy. How do 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.520 you use him? He's probably an outside receiver. He certainly, 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.559 if he makes the team. It's not as if he's 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.240 going to get meaningful snaps on the outside. He certainly 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.480 has good size to you know, to be a boundary 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.160 X type receiver in the league. But it's gonna take 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.440 time for him. He needs more route running detail and nuance. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.480 I think he has to learn how to use his 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.160 speed better than he did in college. So, you know, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.200 again you're dealing with a smaller school guy who has 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.200 a developmental curve to him. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.320 So those are the first six players that Cincinnati selected. 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.120 Does anything stand out to you about the group as 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:27.560 a whole? 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:31.520 Oh? 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.400 Tough question. I mean, obviously there was some need involved 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.840 here because they they needed to deal with corner and 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.720 they needed to deal with safety. So I think that that, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.520 you know, you know, the way the draft works now, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.960 you draft the best player at a need position. That's 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.960 normally the way it works now, because you know, you 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.280 have to line people up. I mean, people forget that. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.360 You know, it's easy to say, take this guy, take 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.880 that guy. But you know, they lost to safeties. They 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.160 got to line people up in safety. Obviously at corner 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.480 they need they needed a corner. So you know, I 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.960 think that they addressed need with quality players at the 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.680 time that they drafted. You know. So I'm very curious 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.800 to see Jordan battle because I love watching him play. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:14.680 I just kept thinking to myself, God, is he a 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.640 good enough athlete? But he's really a good football player. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.560 All right. We are chatting with Greg co Sell from 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.360 NFL Films in the NFL Matchup show. We spoke at 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:27.119 the combine that was just before the start of free agency. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.640 What does the addition of Orlando Brown Junior mean to 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.120 the Bengals offensive line? 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.680 They still needed to address the old line, and I 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.640 think you would agree. I mean, even with the changes 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.520 that were made a year ago. It was still up 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.520 and down. I think that's a fair statement when you 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.160 agree it was still up and down in terms of protection. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.120 So it was necessary to address it. And when you 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.200 can go out and get someone who's played in the 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.680 league and been a good player, won a Super Bowl, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.760 you know, he's been with two quality organizations that you 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.520 have one games a lot of games with different style 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.240 offense is obviously you know. I think that all that's 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.200 really really important. I assume he's going to play left 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:07.479 tackle correct. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.520 One hundred percent. He would not have signed with Cincinnati 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.760 if they did not essentially promise him that he would 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:13.520 be the left tackle. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.320 So I guess the question is, is Jonah Williams is 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.320 he going to I know he's probably not happy about it, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.320 but is he now going to be the right tackle? 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.480 That is my assumption. You're right, he's not happy about it. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.400 He has requested a trade, but I don't expect that 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.320 to happen for a number of reasons, not the least 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.560 of which is he's guaranteed twelve million dollars this year, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.360 and I suspect he'll want to make those twelve million dollars. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:43.280 So most of us assume that after cooler heads prevail, 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.000 he'll show up in training camp and play right tackle 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.760 and probably move on at the end of the year. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.680 Yeah, and he'll probably be fine at right tackle. It'll 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.400 probably be a little bit of an upgrade, and you know, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.920 so it'll really help their own line. We know how 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.400 good Burrow is. I mean, Burrow is a master before 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.800 the snap of the ball. He knows where everybody is. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.800 You know, he's not phased by pressure. So, you know, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.040 I think that's a clear upgrade and I think they 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:08.800 needed to do that. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.320 Prior to last year, the Bengals lost cj Uzama, they 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.400 replaced him with Hayden Hurst. They got similar results. Now 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:22.000 they've lost Hayden Hurst, they've replaced him with Irv Smith Junior. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:23.919 What do you think of earth Smith Junior. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.399 I always liked him a lot. He's just been injured 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.639 a lot. I think a healthy Erv Smith Junior is 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.840 actually a pretty dynamic weapon as a tight end because 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.479 he's a three level player. He's a seam stretcher. He 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.399 can run crossers. You know, he can line him, you 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.800 can line him up outside and he can run go routes. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.800 I mean, he's a really, really good athlete for a 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.320 tight end, and every year I kept hoping, Man, I 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.560 hope he's healthy this year because I think there's a 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.200 lot there in his body. There's a lot of traits 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.320 there as a receiving tight end. So we'll see how 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.320 it plays out. The number one thing is can he 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.719 stay healthy and on the field. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.200 No question about it. The Bengals are banking on that. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.239 I guess the good news with Irv Smith Junior as 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.800 he entered the NFL when he was twenty He's still 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.960 only twenty four. I now be a lot of football left. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.280 Yeah, let's just staying healthy. Who's the second tight end 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:15.879 right now? 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.600 They brought back Drew Sample, Yeah. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.600 But he's more of a blocker and so they have 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.919 a good combination there. But you know Erv Smith is 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.600 he's a really intriguing player in the context of this 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.960 offense because he can detach from the formation and run 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.399 wide receiver type routes. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.320 So, Greg, when I asked you at the combine about 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.960 the Bengals internal free agents, you said that you thought 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:43.560 retaining Jermaine Pratt was important, and the Bengals obviously agreed. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.440 What was your reaction when you saw that they reached 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:47.920 an extension with Jermaine Pratt. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.960 Not surprised Dan because I really, you know, understanding that defense, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.879 and obviously over the last number of years, because the 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.240 Bengals have become a very good team. I've seen a 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.800 ton of the Bengals defense, and I thought he was 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.439 a really important players. I told you at the combine. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.000 So again, I never get involved with money in what 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.639 guys are asking for. But it did not surprise me 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.000 at all because I think the way in which they 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.880 played defense and what they asked their linebackers to do, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.320 it's important Wilson and Pratt, as you well know, are 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.840 important pieces to that defense. Some teams view, you know, 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.199 stackbackers in an important way, others don't. I'm in the 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.879 Philadelphia area Hawie Roseman and the Eagles, the way they played, 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.680 they don't view stackbackers as that important within the context 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.160 of their defense. But you know, there's ten different ways 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.240 to do things in this league, as you know, and 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.960 clearly the Bengals view Wilson and Pratt as really important 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.960 pieces to that defense. So I wasn't surprised at all 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:44.359 when they re signed him. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.440 Final thing for Greg co Selm, my broadcast partner Dave 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.880 Lapham reached out to a lot of his contacts around 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.399 the league prior to the draft, and one of the 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:55.119 questions he was asking was where do you have the 0:19:55.160 --> 0:20:00.600 Bengals ranked among talent in terms of talent on the roster, 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.920 and Lapp said everybody he talked to had the Bengals 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.159 ranked in the top three, top three. Feel that the 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.640 Bengals have a top three roster or something like that, 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:12.680 top to bottom. 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.200 I would probably have to say no, But I think 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.200 that Joe Burrow factor makes everybody believe that. And there's 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.560 nothing wrong with that because Joe Burrow is pretty damn good. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:25.640 But you know, again, it's hard for me to think 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.399 of every roster now given that where you know, in 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.280 early May, and I haven't been studying rosters the way 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.200