1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Hi again, everybody. 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth Podcast, 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: the I Want to Know edition as we get impartial 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: analysis of the Bengals draft class from one of the 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: best in the business, Greg Cosel from NFL Films and 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: the NFL Matchup show on ESPN plus one on one 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: conversations with first round draft pick Miles Murphy and one 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: of his new teammates, Joseph Osai, who tells us how 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: fans at a UC basketball game boosted his confidence after 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: that costly penalty in the AFC Championship game. The Bengals 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: Booth Podcast is brought to you by Bengals Picks and 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: Ultimate Bengals. They're free to play with tickets and signed 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: merchandise up for grabs. Find both inside the Bengals app. 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: Now here's a quick reminder that you can have the 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: or computer by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: the greatest thing since the birthday boy. My son Sam 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: turned seventeen this week. When you become a parent for 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: the first time, every other parent that you talk to 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: tells you to savor it because time will fly by. Well, 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: they weren't lying. It seems like only yesterday I was 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: reading Sam bedtime stories. Now I'm tossing him the keys 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: to the car. In any case, Peg and I are 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: very proud parents of a great kid and one of 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: the world's biggest Bengals fans. In fact, one of his 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: birthday wishes this year was one of those garish necklace 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: chains with a big Bengals logo on the end that 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: will be part of his game day attire at Peikor 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Stadium next year. Now, let's get to my first guest. 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: Everywhere you look these days, folks are breaking down NFL 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: game video, from former players to knowledgeable fans. It's helped 32 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: all of us better understand a complicated sport. Greg Cosell 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: was one of the first people to study the tape 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: and share his observations publicly. Nearly forty years ago, he 35 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: helped NFL Films create the NFL Matchup Show, and for decades, 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: Greg has been one of the most respected analysts in 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: the game. One of his annual tasks is to study 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: draft prospects. He looks at more than two hundred each year, 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: and he joined me this week to discuss the Bengals 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: picks and their moves in free agency. It is always 41 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: a treat to talk football with my friend Greg Cosell, 42 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: especially less than a week after the NFL Draft, because 43 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: I know how much tape you have been studying to 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: be informed about these guys. Let's start with the Bengals 45 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: first pick, Miles Murphy, the defensive end from Clemson. He's 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: roughly six five to seventy nearly thirty four inch arms. 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: He ran a four five forty. What did you see 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: on tape when you watched Miles Murphy? 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy looks the part Dan. I actually watched 50 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: him last summer with his twenty twenty one tape, and 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: of course watched him this year with his twenty twenty 52 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: two tape. I thought he actually improves meaningfully this year 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: from last year. He showed a little bit more bend 54 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: in flexibility. But what his signature really is is speed 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: to power with an outstanding one arm stab. That's really 56 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: his game, and the one big key for him is 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: really timing the snapcount because when he could get off 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: the ball right away, he was explosive with his acceleration 59 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: and challenging the offensive technique. The technique of offensive tackles, 60 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: you must be able to challenge the high side, you know, 61 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: meaning the outside arc. If you can't do that as 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: a pass rusher, it's very hard to be a good 63 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: pass rusher. And he showed better ability to do that 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: in his last year at Clemson than he did in 65 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. But he is ultimately a speed to 66 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: power rusher. He's also really good with secondary movement. He 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: can redirect, he can retrace, he's he's a very competitive player. 68 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: I have seen some people have this criticism that the 69 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: production doesn't quite match the physical gifts. Yep, his single 70 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: season high for sacks with seven. Is that a concern 71 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: in your mind? 72 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: It's a concern in the sense that at this moment 73 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 3: in time, he does not really have counters. And that's 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 3: why the production doesn't match the physical traits because once 75 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: if the speed to power did not work, there wasn't 76 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: much more for him to do at this moment. That's 77 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: going to have to be worked on through the OTAs, 78 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: through training camp, and obviously, as you well know you've 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: been doing this a long time, one move is not 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: enough in the National Football League to be a quality 81 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: edge pass rusher. 82 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: That sounds to me like something that a good defensive 83 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: line coach can teach. 84 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 3: And I would agree with that, which is why he's 85 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: a first round pick. Because the size, the length, and 86 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: the overall traits are there. You just need to expand 87 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: the arsenal. 88 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: All right. 89 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: There were several good cornerback prospects in this draft. The 90 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: Bengals picked the fastest of the bube unpick DJ Turner 91 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: out of Michigan. Did you have him ranked among the 92 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: upper tier of cornerbacks in this year's class? 93 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: Upper tier? How do you want to define that? He 94 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: was not among my first three or four, But that's okay. 95 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: It was a very good cornerback draft. Obviously, as you said, 96 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: he ran a four to two six at the combine. 97 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: You know, he's five eleven in a quarter. He's light, 98 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: he's one seventy eight, So now you're dealing with a 99 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: frame that's a little smaller than ideally desired. He's not 100 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 3: really a physical player, but he's unbelievably good at mirror 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: match press man, and by mirror match, I mean you 102 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: play press, you wait for the receiver to declare his 103 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: release off the line of scrimmage, and then you react 104 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: to him. It's taught either getting in his hip pocket, 105 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: reacting to his shoulder, it doesn't matter. You react to 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: the release. And he has quick, explosive feet. He's got 107 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: really loose fluid hips, and boy does he have the 108 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: easy deep speed dan to run with receivers in mirror match. 109 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: I mean, so many times guys would try to run 110 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: vertically and it looked like he was just out there 111 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: jogging and he was running with him. So his speed 112 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: really does show up on film. Now. One thing that 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: is a little bit of a concern. Sometimes fast guys, 114 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: and I learned this from an old friend of yours 115 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: who I've gotten to Noel TJ. Huschman Zada, Sometimes fast 116 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: guys struggle to stop. So sometimes when he would be 117 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: running with what appeared to be a vertical route and 118 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: it would end up being a curl or a comeback, 119 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: it took him too many steps to stop. That's a 120 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 3: common issue for guys that are really fast, and that's 121 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: going to have to be worked on. 122 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 2: It was interesting after the pick Bengals defensive coordinator lou 123 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: Anarumo spoke about his recovery speed. To Lou that was 124 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 2: the key to alf four to two six, not looking 125 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: good at the Combine. But if he makes a mistake, 126 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: and they all do at some point, the ability to 127 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: recover because of his natural gifts. 128 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: And it looked so easy. Believe me, it really looked 129 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: like it was a walk in the park for him. 130 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: All right, let's move to the third round. I'm really 131 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: interested to get your thoughts on third round pick Jordan Battle, 132 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: the safety out of Alabama. The Bengals met with him 133 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: at the Combine. They put on the tape and they 134 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: said his understanding of football was as good as anybody 135 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: they've ever interviewed at the combine. Does that show up 136 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: when you watch him on tape. 137 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely. This guy started forty five games at Alabama and 138 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: when I and keep in mind he's not a great athlete, 139 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: so when you watch his tape, his game is built 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: on Here's what I type, just, you know, talking about 141 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: the Bengals, and I guess we see things the same way. 142 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: I get lucky once in a while, Dan, you know, so, 143 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: I said his game is built on high level mental 144 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: acuity with a full understanding of both his assignments and 145 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: opposing offenses. That's exactly what I said about Jordan Battle. 146 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: That's what he is He's an incredibly smart, aware, intuitive player. 147 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: The reason he's a third round pick and not higher 148 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: is because he's not a high level athlete. So now 149 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: you have to think, what does that mean in the 150 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: context of your defense? You know, can he match up 151 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: to tight ends? He's probably not a post safety, even 152 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: though he played a ton of post safety at Alabama. 153 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: But that's college football, you know. I don't think he's 154 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: a replacement for Bates, not in my mind anyway, but 155 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'll be wrong, but this guy is 156 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: incredibly intelligent, the way in which he plays the game. 157 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: Is his skill set more of a replacement for von Bell? 158 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I would say for sure it would be more 159 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: of a replacement for von Bell. 160 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely following the pick. Quite honestly, the more I learned 161 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 2: about him, the more I watched, the more I thought 162 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: von Bell. Yeah, does he remind you of von Bell? 163 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: I don't know if he reminds me, you know, apples 164 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 3: to apples, But he's that kind of player. And I 165 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: got to know Bryce Young a little bit, and I 166 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: saw him at an event last year and we were 167 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: actually talking about Jordan Battle. I said, hey, I was 168 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: surprised he decided to come back and Bryce Young said 169 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: to me, he said, hey, we're so glad he did 170 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 3: because he is he is the team. He said, he's 171 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 3: the guy at Alabama, you know, so he's that kind 172 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: of guy. He's super intelligent. He controls everything in a 173 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: good way. That's the kind of player he is. 174 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: We are visiting with a great Greg Cosel from NFL 175 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: Films in the NFL Matchup Show. In the fourth round, 176 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: the Bengals took wide receiver and return specialist Charlie Jones 177 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: from Purdue. He led the nation and catches last year 178 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: with one hundred and ten. He had a couple of 179 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: return touchdowns in his college career. He's got four four 180 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: to three speed, so he is significantly faster than the 181 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: Bengals depth receivers like Trent Irwin and Trent Taylor. What 182 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: do you think of Charlie Jones. 183 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Charlie Jones, I think we'll have to move into 184 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: the slot in the NFL. You know, he's one hundred 185 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: and seventy five pounds. He's a little more straight linish. 186 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: You know, he's got really good straight line speed. He's 187 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 3: not a shifty, sink your hips in and out of 188 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: breaks kind of route runner. He kind of needs free access, 189 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: which is another reason I think he'll move inside. Those 190 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: guys more often than not can be used as motion 191 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: movement receivers. As you know, you want do you want 192 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: him to generate some velocity into his routes because he's 193 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: much more, as I said, a speed cut receiver than 194 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: he is as a sink your hips guy, you know, 195 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: And that also minimizes the press coverage, because that's a question, 196 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: you know, can he beat pressman coverage consistently? But he 197 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 3: can run, and you know he has. He had a 198 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: really big day against Garrett Williams, who was a corner 199 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: from Syracuse who was a draft choice and is a 200 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: really good corner prospect, So you know, he's an interesting 201 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: guy that but there's reasons he's drafted in the fourth round, 202 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: and it has to do with the fact that he's 203 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: even though he can run, he's pretty straight linish. 204 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: In the fifth round, the Bengals took running back Chase 205 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: Brown out of Illinois, another guy with four to four 206 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: speed and in his case of forty inch verticals, so 207 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: he's got some explosiveness. He was third in the country 208 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: last year in rushing yards per game. What are his 209 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,479 Speaker 2: strengths and weaknesses. 210 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked him. I mean, he's got a compact frame, 211 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: he's got a very low center of gravity. He was 212 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: used last year as a volume runner at Illinois. You're 213 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: dealing with a guy that's tough, competitive urgent. He's got 214 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: strong downhill trades. He's got a sustaining mentality, which is 215 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: different than saying that he's a powerful runner, because he's 216 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: not a powerful runner. Even though he runs hard and 217 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: runs physically and competitively tough, he's not really powerful or strong. 218 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: So he does have really good speed. He can take 219 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: it to the house. I think he's got great vision 220 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: once he gets to the second and third levels of 221 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: the defense. He's got a natural feel for where pursue 222 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: who is coming from. He can, you know, as I said, 223 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: he can take it the distance, so he does bring 224 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: an explosive dimension. I think for the Bengals he's a 225 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: really good pick because this is not a team. Number one, 226 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: they don't play at a base personnel hardly at all. 227 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 3: They play out a three wide, so the defense is 228 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: a little more spread. And number two, they don't really 229 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: ask their back even with Joe Mixon, as you know, 230 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: to carry twenty times every week. There may be a 231 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: week that that happens, but that's not really the way 232 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: their offense is structured. 233 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: They lost so much Jp Ryan to free agency to 234 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos. He was getting a lot of third 235 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: down snaps last year. Do you think that Chase Brown 236 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: is a likely guy to get some of those snaps 237 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: or what could his role. 238 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: Be as a rookie? 239 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: He could? I mean, he showed excellent hands as a receiver. 240 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: He was used at Illinois. He ran a lot of 241 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: wheel routes out of the backfield, which are our real 242 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: routes as opposed to check downs or flat route So 243 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 3: he did run those kinds of routes. He caught the 244 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: ball very easily. Could he be a third down back? 245 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: You and I both know there's many factors that are 246 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 3: involved with that, but if you're just talking about the hands, 247 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: he could do that all right? 248 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: Onto the sixth round and I imagine you were really 249 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: interested when you studied this guy. Andre Yosi Vash the 250 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: wide receiver out of Princeton an All American hetathletes, so 251 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: he know he can sprint and pull, vault and do 252 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: the shot. But how good is he as a wide 253 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: receiver prospect. 254 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was an interesting watch because obviously he played 255 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 3: at Princeton, and you know, his athletic profile is elite, 256 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: no question about it. But you know what was interesting 257 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: to me watching his tape is I expected him to 258 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: run by corners in the IVY League much more than 259 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: he did. I don't think he played to his time speed, 260 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 3: you know, but his short shuttle time was ridiculously good. 261 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: I mean, the traits, the testing traits are ridiculous. But 262 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: there'll be a developmental curve for this guy. How do 263 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: you use him? He's probably an outside receiver. He certainly, 264 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 3: if he makes the team. It's not as if he's 265 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: going to get meaningful snaps on the outside. He certainly 266 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: has good size to you know, to be a boundary 267 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: X type receiver in the league. But it's gonna take 268 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 3: time for him. He needs more route running detail and nuance. 269 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: I think he has to learn how to use his 270 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: speed better than he did in college. So, you know, 271 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: again you're dealing with a smaller school guy who has 272 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: a developmental curve to him. 273 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: So those are the first six players that Cincinnati selected. 274 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: Does anything stand out to you about the group as 275 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: a whole? 276 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: Oh? 277 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: Tough question. I mean, obviously there was some need involved 278 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: here because they they needed to deal with corner and 279 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: they needed to deal with safety. So I think that that, 280 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: you know, you know, the way the draft works now, 281 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: you draft the best player at a need position. That's 282 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: normally the way it works now, because you know, you 283 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: have to line people up. I mean, people forget that. 284 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: You know, it's easy to say, take this guy, take 285 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: that guy. But you know, they lost to safeties. They 286 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: got to line people up in safety. Obviously at corner 287 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: they need they needed a corner. So you know, I 288 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: think that they addressed need with quality players at the 289 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: time that they drafted. You know. So I'm very curious 290 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: to see Jordan battle because I love watching him play. 291 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: I just kept thinking to myself, God, is he a 292 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: good enough athlete? But he's really a good football player. 293 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: All right. We are chatting with Greg co Sell from 294 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: NFL Films in the NFL Matchup show. We spoke at 295 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,119 Speaker 2: the combine that was just before the start of free agency. 296 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: What does the addition of Orlando Brown Junior mean to 297 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: the Bengals offensive line? 298 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: They still needed to address the old line, and I 299 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: think you would agree. I mean, even with the changes 300 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: that were made a year ago. It was still up 301 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: and down. I think that's a fair statement when you 302 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: agree it was still up and down in terms of protection. 303 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: So it was necessary to address it. And when you 304 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: can go out and get someone who's played in the 305 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: league and been a good player, won a Super Bowl, 306 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: you know, he's been with two quality organizations that you 307 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: have one games a lot of games with different style 308 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: offense is obviously you know. I think that all that's 309 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: really really important. I assume he's going to play left 310 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:07,479 Speaker 3: tackle correct. 311 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. He would not have signed with Cincinnati 312 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: if they did not essentially promise him that he would 313 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: be the left tackle. 314 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: So I guess the question is, is Jonah Williams is 315 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: he going to I know he's probably not happy about it, 316 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: but is he now going to be the right tackle? 317 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: That is my assumption. You're right, he's not happy about it. 318 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: He has requested a trade, but I don't expect that 319 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: to happen for a number of reasons, not the least 320 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: of which is he's guaranteed twelve million dollars this year, 321 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: and I suspect he'll want to make those twelve million dollars. 322 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: So most of us assume that after cooler heads prevail, 323 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: he'll show up in training camp and play right tackle 324 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: and probably move on at the end of the year. 325 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he'll probably be fine at right tackle. It'll 326 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: probably be a little bit of an upgrade, and you know, 327 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: so it'll really help their own line. We know how 328 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: good Burrow is. I mean, Burrow is a master before 329 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: the snap of the ball. He knows where everybody is. 330 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: You know, he's not phased by pressure. So, you know, 331 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: I think that's a clear upgrade and I think they 332 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: needed to do that. 333 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: Prior to last year, the Bengals lost cj Uzama, they 334 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: replaced him with Hayden Hurst. They got similar results. Now 335 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: they've lost Hayden Hurst, they've replaced him with Irv Smith Junior. 336 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: What do you think of earth Smith Junior. 337 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: I always liked him a lot. He's just been injured 338 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: a lot. I think a healthy Erv Smith Junior is 339 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: actually a pretty dynamic weapon as a tight end because 340 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 3: he's a three level player. He's a seam stretcher. He 341 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 3: can run crossers. You know, he can line him, you 342 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: can line him up outside and he can run go routes. 343 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: I mean, he's a really, really good athlete for a 344 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: tight end, and every year I kept hoping, Man, I 345 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: hope he's healthy this year because I think there's a 346 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: lot there in his body. There's a lot of traits 347 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: there as a receiving tight end. So we'll see how 348 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: it plays out. The number one thing is can he 349 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 3: stay healthy and on the field. 350 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: No question about it. The Bengals are banking on that. 351 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 2: I guess the good news with Irv Smith Junior as 352 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: he entered the NFL when he was twenty He's still 353 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: only twenty four. I now be a lot of football left. 354 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just staying healthy. Who's the second tight end 355 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: right now? 356 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: They brought back Drew Sample, Yeah. 357 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: But he's more of a blocker and so they have 358 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: a good combination there. But you know Erv Smith is 359 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: he's a really intriguing player in the context of this 360 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: offense because he can detach from the formation and run 361 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: wide receiver type routes. 362 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: So, Greg, when I asked you at the combine about 363 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: the Bengals internal free agents, you said that you thought 364 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: retaining Jermaine Pratt was important, and the Bengals obviously agreed. 365 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: What was your reaction when you saw that they reached 366 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: an extension with Jermaine Pratt. 367 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: Not surprised Dan because I really, you know, understanding that defense, 368 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: and obviously over the last number of years, because the 369 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: Bengals have become a very good team. I've seen a 370 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: ton of the Bengals defense, and I thought he was 371 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: a really important players. I told you at the combine. 372 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: So again, I never get involved with money in what 373 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: guys are asking for. But it did not surprise me 374 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: at all because I think the way in which they 375 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 3: played defense and what they asked their linebackers to do, 376 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: it's important Wilson and Pratt, as you well know, are 377 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: important pieces to that defense. Some teams view, you know, 378 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 3: stackbackers in an important way, others don't. I'm in the 379 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: Philadelphia area Hawie Roseman and the Eagles, the way they played, 380 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 3: they don't view stackbackers as that important within the context 381 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 3: of their defense. But you know, there's ten different ways 382 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: to do things in this league, as you know, and 383 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: clearly the Bengals view Wilson and Pratt as really important 384 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: pieces to that defense. So I wasn't surprised at all 385 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: when they re signed him. 386 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: Final thing for Greg co Selm, my broadcast partner Dave 387 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: Lapham reached out to a lot of his contacts around 388 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: the league prior to the draft, and one of the 389 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: questions he was asking was where do you have the 390 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: Bengals ranked among talent in terms of talent on the roster, 391 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: and Lapp said everybody he talked to had the Bengals 392 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: ranked in the top three, top three. Feel that the 393 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: Bengals have a top three roster or something like that, 394 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: top to bottom. 395 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: I would probably have to say no, But I think 396 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: that Joe Burrow factor makes everybody believe that. And there's 397 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that because Joe Burrow is pretty damn good. 398 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 3: But you know, again, it's hard for me to think 399 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 3: of every roster now given that where you know, in 400 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: early May, and I haven't been studying rosters the way 401 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: I do during the season. So but my initial thought 402 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 3: would be no. And I don't want people to hear 403 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: that and think, oh, you think they stink. 404 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: No. 405 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: You know you're asking me top three. There's thirty two teams. 406 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: That's that's that's high level. Certainly there are top ten, 407 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: for sure, but I don't know if they're top three. 408 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: If you look at the overall roster, you know, I 409 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: think the quarterback can always make up for any potential 410 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 3: deficiencies offensively and can compensate for anything. He's so good 411 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: and so incredibly smart and aware, and I think defensively 412 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: they have some good players and some underrated players, probably 413 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 3: by media people. But I don't know if overall you'd 414 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: say top three, it might be. I just my initial 415 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: thought was not to say, yes, it's definitely top three. 416 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: Which is why I love talking to you. Somebody else 417 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: would have said, oh, sure, top three. You're giving your 418 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: honest opinion, very good, top ten, just not necessarily top three. 419 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely top ten, but I just top three. I 420 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 3: would have to look in detail at rosters, you know. 421 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: And obviously I didn't know you were gonna ask me 422 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: that question, so I didn't do that. But you know, 423 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: I'd have to look at I'd have to look at 424 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: rosters to answer that truly correctly. 425 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: Dave Lappham will not be offended just because some of 426 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: his contacts, Oh differently. This is always a treat. I 427 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 2: don't want to take too much of your time. Appreciate 428 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: the visit as always, Greg, thank you. 429 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: Dan, No, thank you. I always appreciate it. 430 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: The Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by Alta 431 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: Fiber Future Fiber Internet capable of delivering multi gigabit speeds 432 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 2: designed to take your home, business, and community to a 433 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: new level. Elevate your connection with all to Fiber. I 434 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: had my first opportunity for a one on one interview 435 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 2: with Miles Murphy when he came to town a couple 436 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: of days after the draft. I think you're going to 437 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: be wowed by him, much like Jackson Carmen was. When 438 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: Murphy left high school midway through his senior year and 439 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: enrolled at Clemson in January of twenty twenty. He said, 440 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: Miles Murphy is the truth. Yes, as good as anyone 441 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: that you've ever faced. 442 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: Yes, he's so gifted, you know what I mean. 443 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 5: When he gets to the league, he's going to that 444 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 5: understanding is gonna take over, you know what I mean. 445 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 5: Because when you in college, everyone's talented, but there's a 446 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 5: certain there's a system in college, you know what I mean, 447 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 5: And so you get to the lead, all that information 448 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: just gets dumped on you. 449 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: And so a guy like Miles he's going. 450 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 5: To figure out those pathways to be able to transition himself. 451 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: It's a credible player. Like when he gets better as 452 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: just like his. 453 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 5: Body Awarenes's like his flexibility, mobility, his energy transfer, his 454 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 5: technique like predetermined techniques, like when you're in college, you're 455 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 5: thinking about techniques. When you're doing you're thinking like long 456 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 5: arm and then go like when you get to the league, 457 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 5: you kind of can feel like as soon as his 458 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 5: shoulder moves, I'm already doing that because I know his 459 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 5: hand's gonna be like stuff like that, Miles is gonna 460 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 5: take into his game. 461 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna really just blossom. So I'm scited for my miuse. 462 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: At any point in the draft process, did you think 463 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: man Miles Murphy would be a great pick at twenty eight? 464 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I thought he would have went higher, honestly, 465 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 5: but I'm glad he's here real the moment I want 466 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 5: and gets in the first time, Like, oh, he's gonna 467 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 5: get drafted the first round. 468 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: I'm like I've literally thought that. I'm like, yeah, this 469 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: guy's this guy's it, Like it's great. 470 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 5: He's strong, he's fast, he's smart, he's humble, Like, well 471 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 5: more could you ask in the player? 472 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 2: So he comes in early, he's seventeen years old or whatever, 473 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: and you say, this guy is the first draft. 474 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 5: Yes, I told him that. You know, guys, kids in 475 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 5: college is doing whatever. Practice can't wait to go home. 476 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 5: You feel me. Me and Miles are working. He's seventeen, 477 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 5: I'm a junior, and we're going at it. I'm throwing 478 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 5: him around and then he I can see he's starting 479 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 5: to kind of get like frustrated because I'm beating him. 480 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 5: So he comes off with a different movie than he did, 481 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 5: Like he's flashing me a long arm. He just disappears 482 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 5: with it, and I was like, and I flip ran 483 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 5: them by. But that was the first like real like 484 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 5: feeling of. 485 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, Like that was yeah, you know 486 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: what I mean. So, and then from there it just compiled. 487 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: He seems like a very I don't know if the 488 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: intellectual is the wrong word, but you know he's he's 489 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: not it's cerebra, thank you. He's not a for lack 490 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: of a better expression, like mead heead. 491 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 5: No, he's not at all, very very god feeling, very humble, 492 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 5: very sensitive, like in a good way, you know what 493 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 5: I mean. 494 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: Strong. He's a great kid, bro, I love mine. 495 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: Sounds like he'll fit right in. 496 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna do more than that and go dominate. 497 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: The Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by pay Corps. 498 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: More than twenty nine thousand customers trust Paycorp to help 499 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: them recruit, pay, engage, and retain employees. Learn more at 500 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: paycorp dot com. It's customary for the Bengals first round 501 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: draft pick to fly to town a day or two 502 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 2: after the draft to do a news conference and then 503 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: a series of interviews with local reporters. Perhaps you've already 504 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: watched one or more of the interviews that Miles Murphy did. 505 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: That's why when we sat down, I tried to dig 506 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: a little bit deeper into Miles the person instead of 507 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: the football player. Miles, based on everything that I've read, 508 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: you take great pride in being more than just a 509 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: really good football player. You studied engineering, you love to draw. 510 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: Is all of that other stuff important to you? 511 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 6: I think it is important to me, honestly, because let's 512 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 6: say it makes me kind of the person who I am. 513 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: It's probably it's part more personality. More. I am more 514 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 4: than just a football player. Fly us I should be. 515 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 6: I should be every football player's mission to find you 516 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 6: know something outside of football that you're interested in, whether 517 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 6: it be cars, architecture, anything, so yeah, just you know what, 518 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 6: find find that niche whatever it is. 519 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: Do you love math or you just good at it? 520 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 4: I'm just good at it, honestly. 521 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, like Matt, math and science I always came easy, 522 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 6: always came kind of easy to me putting together just physics, 523 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 6: and I always saw it as you know, plugging in formula. 524 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 4: So I enjoyed it. 525 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 2: We're chatting with Miles Murphy. Is the truth that you 526 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: have an interest in stadium designed? 527 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: I do. 528 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 6: I'm about to say, I've been watching I live in Atlanta, 529 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 6: So I watched the Mercedes Benz Stadium from the ground 530 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 6: up and the Georgia Dome come crashing down, and then 531 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 6: Sofi Stadium. I've been, you know, all all into that project. 532 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 4: Honestly. 533 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 6: Uh watched watching that, watching that stadium be built, the Raiders, 534 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 6: the Raiders Stadium with just a beautiful stadium. Been watching 535 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 6: that STEDDI and been being built. So I I kind 536 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 6: of am a nerve when it comes from when it 537 00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 6: comes to that. 538 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: You love to sketch them. 539 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 6: From what I've read, Yeah, that was I was being 540 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 6: on sketching those stadiums more so when I was once. 541 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 6: So when I was when I was in high school. Uh, 542 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 6: in between classes and whennot so I just kind of 543 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 6: being my own's own, listen to my music and my. 544 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 4: Headphones and just kind of draw a little bit. 545 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: So you fly into Cincinnati on Saturday morning, you make 546 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: that drive from the airport in northern Kentucky down the hill, 547 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: you start to see the skyline. Did you see the 548 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 2: stadium and kind of take a look at Okay, that's 549 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: gonna be my new home. 550 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. But I'd say kind of kind of a surreal feeling. 551 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 6: Uh, just great, honestly, Uh, I would say, just love, love, 552 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 6: love love the city of Cincinnati. 553 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 4: It's a beautiful just the beautiful spot, honestly. 554 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: So you went to Clemson, which is obviously one of 555 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: the great programs in college football. But I'm amazed by 556 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: your high school, Hill Grave or hill Grove High School, 557 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: which is not too far from Atlanta. The alums include 558 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb from the Dolphins, Evan Ingram from the Jags, 559 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: You and Drake who's had a long NFL career. Did 560 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: the fact that those guys went to your high school 561 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: make the NFL dream seem attainable to you? 562 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 4: For sure? Uh? 563 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 6: And honestly, a big part of that just comes from 564 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 6: the work ethic from the guys. Honestly, Uh, that work, 565 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 6: that work ethic is instilled at Hill Grove of just 566 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 6: you know, coming in every day, going all out because 567 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 6: it's you know, it's competitive Georgia's seven and football. But 568 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 6: I said, you're not gonna get wins easy. You're not 569 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 6: just gonna walk into an accidental when you know the 570 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 6: that's that mentality of day in, day in and day. 571 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 4: Out work starts there. 572 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: Really, you were one of the top five recruits in 573 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: the country. That's a crazy process. When you were ranked 574 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: that highly, did you enjoy it or was it overwhelming? 575 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 6: It was never overwhelming? Uh not, never made an overwhelming 576 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 6: because I'm not I'm not the biggest social media guys, 577 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 6: so I kind of I kind of keep my personal 578 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 6: life to myself. Honestly, honestly, was exciting. I never I 579 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 6: never talked about I played football. I was a five starlists. 580 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 6: I was asked about it, so as that's really how 581 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 6: I'm moved with it. 582 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: We're chatting with Miles Murphy, the Bengals first round draft pick. 583 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: I am a sucker for a great draft party video, 584 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: and it looked like you had a heck of a 585 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: time back home, with roughly one hundred and seventy five 586 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: people in attendance, you could have gone to the draft, 587 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure in Kansas City. Why was it important to 588 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: you to be around friends and family? 589 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 4: One hundred and seventy five sounds like a lot. 590 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 6: But about to say, every single one of those people 591 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 6: that can't well that was in that building had had 592 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 6: something to do with where I am now. 593 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 4: You know, has touched has touched some part of my. 594 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 6: Life that has shaved me into having the discipline that 595 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 6: I have, having any anything. 596 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: This is something that saved me to the presime today. 597 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: In the pre draft process, you ran a four five 598 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: three forty. I'm sure people told you it's important to 599 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: run a great time if you can. What was it 600 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: like to cross the finish line and realize that you 601 00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: had run a time. 602 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 4: Like out of your size. 603 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 6: Honestly, when I was there and I ran across, I 604 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 6: didn't know what I had run until I had to 605 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 6: walk all the way back, and then my agent and 606 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 6: coach Sweeney had walked up to me and they were like, yeah, 607 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 6: all the scouts got between a four four eight and 608 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 6: a four five two four five three, and I was like, 609 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 6: oh well, my little. 610 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: Just stop right there. That's a good time. I'll end 611 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 4: with that. But yeah, it was fine. 612 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: So some guys actually had you below four or five. 613 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, and they every single Scott there said if I 614 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 6: were to run straight, it would it would have easily 615 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 6: been like a four four six, four four nine at 616 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 6: the highest, And I knew that was the case. 617 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 4: But I'll take a four five three. 618 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: You seem like you have a very calm and mellow disposition. 619 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: Do you flip a switch on game day and become 620 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: like an alter ego on the football field? 621 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 6: This is one of those things that you gotta make 622 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 6: a choice. Uh, you gotta dominate. But once that once 623 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 6: that helmet comes on, once once put the cleats on, 624 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 6: you gotta you gotta tap into that, you know, that 625 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 6: different mentality of you know, we're going to dominate. 626 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 4: So I guess it is a flip that is switched 627 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 4: every day. 628 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: The Bengals have a road game in Jacksonville this year. 629 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: Your former college teammate Trevor Lawrence is the quarterback obviously 630 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: for the Jags. I'm guessing you weren't allowed to get 631 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: near him at practice. You'll get your chance. 632 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm gonna get my chance, and I about 633 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 6: to say, yeah, if you remember my freshman year, if 634 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 6: you if you got too close to him, if you 635 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 6: reached an arm out to him, it just wasn't a 636 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 6: good thing. H Coach Sweene was not too keen of that. 637 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 6: So now now that he's on the other team that 638 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 6: I'm able to do that, it's it's. 639 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 4: As I got to take that chance. 640 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: But I think you had two sacks in your first 641 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: college game. When that happens, are you like, what's the 642 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: big deal? 643 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 4: This is easy? 644 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 6: I think it was like a setur they kept where 645 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 6: I was the first person since Dexter Lawrence do that, 646 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 6: and no, that's great, great football player right there. So 647 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 6: it was one of those thing, like you know, you said, 648 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 6: you celebrate those small things. 649 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: So we're spending a few minutes with Miles Murphy. Your 650 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: family's had Falcon season tickets for many years, So you 651 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: went to NFL games as a kid. Did you look 652 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: at the field and picture yourself in an NFL uniform? 653 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 6: I for sure did, especially what was the last time. 654 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 6: I think the last time I went to a Falcons 655 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 6: game was right before I went to Clemson, So it 656 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 6: was for sure one of those things, like I feel 657 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 6: like I can see myself out there on the field 658 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 6: playing with those guys and let's see here I am. 659 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: Now. 660 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about your relationship with your 661 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 2: older brother Max, because he played college football at Worcester 662 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: Polytechnic the Engineers. He's an engineer. Now, he wasn't blessed 663 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: with your size and athletic ability, but it sounds like 664 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: he loved the game. Share what what you got from 665 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: your older brother. 666 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 6: All of the things that I that I do or 667 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 6: did was because of him. Following this was as started 668 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 6: playing football because of him, went into that engineering kind 669 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 6: of pathway because of him. He went in, like you said, 670 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 6: WPI as a mechanic engineer. And I know just naturally 671 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 6: good at math and science, love to draw. So I 672 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 6: put those together architecture, engineering, and. 673 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 4: Why I say he loves to work out, I love 674 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 4: the workout. That a lot of the things that he 675 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 4: that he does I kind of got from memor. 676 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: Really final thing, your dad shared a picture with me 677 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: of you playing baseball when you were I think in 678 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: seventh grade. You look like you're twice as big as 679 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: the kid on the other team. It's a very amusing photo. 680 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: Were you always the giant in comparison to your peers? 681 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 6: I was always a giant growing up, and I think 682 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 6: that kind of plays into why my demeanor is what 683 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 6: it is now, because I guess naturally, when you're always 684 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 6: just the abnormally larger guy growing up, they parents expect 685 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 6: you to be a little bit more, a little bit 686 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 6: more mature. So I guess I kind of that kind 687 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 6: of plays until why I'm man while they are today. 688 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: Turned out pretty well, I think, and you look impeccable, 689 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 2: by the way in that three P suit. That's a 690 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: very impressive fit. As the kids say, congratulations on being 691 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: a first round draft pick. The Bengals are delighted to 692 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: have you, and we look forward to getting to know 693 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: you better in the weeks and months to come appreciate it. 694 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: Miles and his brother Max weren't the only members of 695 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 2: the family to play college football. His dad, Willard, was 696 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: a standout linebacker for Chattanooga and had a tryout with 697 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: the Birmingham Stallions of the USFL. Had he made the roster, 698 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 2: he could have played against my broadcast partner Dave Lapham, 699 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 2: who spent two years with the New Jersey Generals. The 700 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by Kettering Health, 701 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. With more than 702 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty care facilities and fifteen hundred care providers. 703 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 2: Kettering Health is committed to guiding you to your best health. 704 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 2: Visit ketteringhealth dot org to learn more. Last season ended 705 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: in heartbreaking fashion. With seventeen seconds to go and the 706 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: score tied in the AFC Championship Game, Patrick Mahomes scrambled 707 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 2: out of bounds to pick up a first down at 708 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: the Bengals forty two with eight seconds remaining. From there, 709 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: it would have been a sixty yard field goal try 710 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: under tough weather conditions in Kansas City, probably would have 711 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 2: had to run another play in hopes of getting a 712 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: little bit closer. But on the Mahomes scramble, Joseph Osai 713 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 2: hit him late as he was going out of bounds, 714 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 2: and the fifteen yard penalty allowed Harrison Butker to boot 715 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: a forty five yard field goal to win the game. 716 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 2: To make matters worse, Osai injured his knee on the play. 717 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 2: After hurting his shoulder in mid December, He had shoulder 718 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: surgery in February this week I spoke to Osai for 719 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: the first time since that game. We are in the 720 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: locker room with Joseph Osai working hard at rehab. It's 721 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: unfortunately become an off season norm for you. But how 722 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: are things coming around? Coming along this year? 723 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 7: Things are good. Thankfully we got it, got the surgery 724 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 7: done right after right after the season, so I have 725 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 7: a great amount of time to take the rehab slowly 726 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 7: and come back right before the season started, before we 727 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 7: start putting any putting in any physical work on the field. 728 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 4: So everything's coming great. 729 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: Obviously, not as serious as what you had to rehab 730 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: from last year. 731 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that was a double whammy with the 732 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 7: with the knee and the wrist. But this is a 733 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 7: routine shoulder shoulder work. Surgery went well. He was able 734 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 7: to put enough stitches in there keep the labeling stable, 735 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I probably could have went 736 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 7: without the surgery, but long term wouldn't be the best 737 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 7: for me my health, so and then my performance will 738 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 7: obviously tank from that. So it was just to go 739 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 7: ahead and get it done. 740 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 4: Now. It wasn't anything you know, I mean. 741 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 7: Pressing, but it was a it was a good surgery 742 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 7: to get done, and glad it's done. 743 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 2: We are speaking the day after or two days after 744 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: the draft came to an end. The Bengals obviously added 745 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: a pass rusher in the first round in Miles Murphy. 746 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 2: Your thought on adding strength to your group. 747 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 7: Great addition and a great, great weapon for Marion Hobby. 748 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 7: You know what I mean, he's gonna he's gonna love 749 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 7: the dude and he's gonna, I'm sure he's going to 750 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 7: find a way for each and every one of us 751 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 7: to to get on that field and perform. But yeah, yeah, 752 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 7: he's a great guy. Watched a little bit of his tape. 753 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 7: Great addition for sure. I can't wait to get to 754 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 7: work and work with a. 755 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 2: How much does coach Hobby help a guy improve from 756 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: the college level to the NFL level? 757 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 7: Helps you, and he's well rounded coach, and he's a 758 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 7: web rounded guy. And coaching with off the field stuff too. 759 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 7: It's very important with the mental aspect of the preparation, 760 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 7: the making sure you know your opponent because at this level, 761 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 7: everybody's strong, everybody's fast, everybody has a skill set. But 762 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 7: he does a good job of heapeness baked on that 763 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 7: that specific guy, and he's a great coach. 764 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 2: I think Bengals fans are interested to know how you're 765 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: doing emotionally after the heartbreak of the AFC Championship game 766 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: and obviously the way that ended. 767 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 7: Still processing, still processing a bit, but I know you 768 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 7: gotta let that go. You know, there's a there's an 769 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 7: opportunity to keep going, There's an opportunity to put another 770 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 7: foot in the front of the other. 771 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 4: And you just gotta look forward. You can't look back. 772 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 4: Look at the things. 773 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 7: We we the the potential we have to achieve this year, 774 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 7: and just go from there. 775 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: It was an unfortunate play, mistakes happened. You played a 776 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 2: great game until that play. Does that offset it at all? 777 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,959 Speaker 2: Knowing that if not for what you had done, that 778 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 2: you might not have even been in that play. 779 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 7: Not for me, it doesn't it. You know, I paid 780 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 7: the ultimate prize, you know what I mean. But yeah, 781 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 7: it doesn't. It doesn't offer it because at the end 782 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 7: of the day, the agenda, the objective is to win, 783 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 7: nothing else. It's not the stats, it's not how you look, 784 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 7: it's not how bad. It's to win wins and losses. 785 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 7: That's what gets coaches fired, That's what gets coaches hired. 786 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 7: So that's it. 787 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 2: You came to a UC basketball game near the end 788 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: of the Bearcats season, they showed you on the video 789 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: board and the crowd went bananas. It was a all 790 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 2: out show of love from about twelve thousand people. What 791 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 2: did that say to you? 792 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,479 Speaker 1: I appreciated that. 793 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 7: That that booses my confidence a little bit, you know, 794 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 7: because I was going through a rough patch after their game. 795 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 7: But no, the filler left in the city was dope, 796 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 7: and yeah, it was awesome. 797 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about what objectives you have 798 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 2: going into year three and your second year on the field. 799 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 7: Staying healthy, staying healthy. You know, it's always been the same, 800 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 7: impacting this team in a positive manner, not bringing any 801 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 7: negative light to this team, and just winning games. Man, 802 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 7: we got to keep winning. It's the fun is in 803 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 7: the winning. My college course, you sed say all the time, 804 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 7: the fun is in the winning. And you saw the 805 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 7: team last year morning win and you've been I'm sure 806 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 7: you've been around the team. When we're losing, it's not 807 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 7: as fun as are. People aren't as happy, you know 808 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 7: what I mean. So it's a direct correlation. So if 809 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 7: you want to be happy, we got to win. So 810 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 7: the most important thing is to win. 811 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 2: I say all the time, the radio broadcasters sound good 812 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 2: when they win. 813 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, of course. 814 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 2: For sure, always great to visit. Best of luck to 815 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 2: seeing you brother. The thank you that's going to do 816 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 2: it for this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast brought 817 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 2: to you by Kettering Health, the official healthcare provider of 818 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 2: the Bengals, by Bengals Picks and Ultimate Bengals. 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