Speaker 1: Welcome in.
Speaker 2: We'll driving the Great Episode three twenty six, after another
Speaker 2: thrilling NBA playoff game, Golden State Warriors escape and take
Speaker 2: firm and full control of the series. If at some
Speaker 2: point Jalen Green shows up to the series other than
Speaker 2: Game two, maybe we'd have one, but we don't. That, however,
Speaker 2: is not the story of the game. The story of
Speaker 2: the game is Draymond Green. We will get to him momentarily.
Speaker 2: There is a lot to do on today's show. I
Speaker 2: I want to address Saquon's tweet because I think, well,
Speaker 2: I just want to address it, and it's probably not
Speaker 2: what you think I'm gonna say, but I want to
Speaker 2: discuss that. Also, we did an emergency pod yesterday. We
Speaker 2: have done on the pod. We haven't done anything related
Speaker 2: to Shador's slide in the draft, which is it really?
Speaker 2: Is that really a common tarry about Shador or is
Speaker 2: that a commentary about the media. Is it a meta
Speaker 2: commentary on commentary?
Speaker 1: All of that.
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Speaker 1: Let me hear you good.
Speaker 3: To see you, pops. But yeah, we're at a new location.
Speaker 3: It took me a little bit less time to get
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Speaker 2: Oh well, I wasn't gonna dox you now everyone knows
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Speaker 1: So Demansey's got the home setup. I've got the home setup.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: We are by coastal on this show. Before though, we
Speaker 2: get to Rockets Warriors, Let's get to what missed the cut.
Speaker 2: We'll miss the cut in today's show, the Commanders returning
Speaker 2: to d C.
Speaker 1: I haven't followed that story. Listen.
Speaker 2: The thundersweep the Grizzlies and the Cavs sweep the Heat,
Speaker 2: and they both those series involved fifty plus point wins.
Speaker 2: Jah though says he had the Thunder figured out. By
Speaker 2: the way, for those keeping track at home, the Thunder
Speaker 2: were eight no against the Grizzlies this year. However, I
Speaker 2: guess Joe's point is it went from fifty to seventeen
Speaker 2: to up twenty seven. Had I stayed health, we had
Speaker 2: a won Game six of that series by ninety points.
Speaker 2: The trajectory we were on for Oklahoma City and for
Speaker 2: Cleveland their rewards as being the one seed. The NBA
Speaker 2: has never done this before. They did it this year, though,
Speaker 2: the rewards for the one seed was a bye, a
Speaker 2: true first round by and so their playoffs will start
Speaker 2: next week. Also, we typically stay out of this silly
Speaker 2: internet memory, but this one hundred men versus one gorilla
Speaker 2: topic is simply too delectable to ignore, so we will
Speaker 2: get to that later in the show. A reminder, if
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Speaker 2: All of that really does help, all right, demanse, Let's
Speaker 2: get to Rockets Warriors.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Golden State went up three to one against
Speaker 3: the Rockets. Despite Steph's somewhat mediocre game, this series has
Speaker 3: been super chippy and Houston actually had a chance there
Speaker 3: at the end. Shanghun had a go ahead bucket he missed.
Speaker 3: Van Vliet had a three in transition missed that as well.
Speaker 3: You picked the Rockets in this series. In this series,
Speaker 3: do you think they've officially blown it?
Speaker 2: I think they have probably blown it. I real quick,
Speaker 2: did you think Van Vleet shot was going in? I
Speaker 2: thought it was going in.
Speaker 3: No, he had it exactly in line.
Speaker 1: It was just off by, like just short.
Speaker 2: Usually when you take those kind of running almost sideways threes,
Speaker 2: if you miss it, you're gonna miss it to the right.
Speaker 2: When I saw the line it was on, I was like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, he made.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean there were a bunch of air balls yesterday.
Speaker 2: Steph had two, Draymond had a couple. Van Vliet had won.
Speaker 2: But the story of the game is Draymond Green. Because
Speaker 2: put this game on Draymond's basketball tombstone, just the perfect
Speaker 2: vintage Draymond Green. Every single reason you love him or
Speaker 2: every single reason you can't stand him, a true Draymond
Speaker 2: Green playoff masterclass. And listen, Draymond has consumed a fair
Speaker 2: amount of my Draymond Green related media. I hope he
Speaker 2: sees this and or I hope someone sends it to him,
Speaker 2: because listen, I don't Draymond Green and I have a
Speaker 2: lot of mutual not just acquaintances, but close friends that
Speaker 2: has once put us in the same room in a
Speaker 2: social setting. It it was nothing bad at all. We
Speaker 2: were both cordial, but it wasn't you know, warm and
Speaker 2: I you know, understandable and you know probably sixty forty
Speaker 2: my fault in that regard. But and I am someone
Speaker 2: who has been highly critical. I think fairly of a
Speaker 2: lot of the Draymond Green nonsense, and at times I
Speaker 2: poke a little fun at the backpack shots and the
Speaker 2: triple singles. However, yesterday was the perfect encapsulation.
Speaker 1: For why.
Speaker 2: This era of Warriors basketball if you remove the supercharged
Speaker 2: three years with Durant that were its own thing, the
Speaker 2: pre Durant and post Durant era, even when you had
Speaker 2: prime Klay Thompson, and now you have playoff Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: each and every year, for good or for bad, the
Speaker 2: second most important player on that team is Draymond Green.
Speaker 2: And as much as Steph unlocks everyone on their offense,
Speaker 2: Draymond unlocks everyone on their defense. And last night was
Speaker 2: just perfect because Draymond hits his first two shots, then
Speaker 2: can't hit the broadside of a bar, and the rest
Speaker 2: of the night, Draymond is flailing and flopping and grabbing
Speaker 2: and kicking and doing every single thing he can do
Speaker 2: up to the line to where he gets ejected without
Speaker 2: being ejected, and he is snarling and spittling and intimidating
Speaker 2: the rockets and then playing an extra level mind game
Speaker 2: when he tries to with the free throw line on
Speaker 2: the box outline, you know, apologize or make amends with
Speaker 2: Tarry Esen. And then Amen Thompson comes over and is like, hey,
Speaker 2: don't be friendly with Draymond. Then Draymond gets into it
Speaker 2: with Amen, and it's just the full Draymond experience, and
Speaker 2: it's all wrapped around absolute lockdown, shut down defense on
Speaker 2: Alpern Shingun who in the minute that Shingoon got with
Speaker 2: Draymond off the he scored any time he wanted. I
Speaker 2: thought Udoka made a significant error in the moment Draymond
Speaker 2: picked up his fifth ball and went to the bench.
Speaker 2: He didn't put Shingoun right back in the game. Now,
Speaker 2: he put him in shortly thereafter, But that needed to
Speaker 2: be instantaneous. Every single minute Draymond was not on the court,
Speaker 2: Shingoon should have been on the court absolutely cooking.
Speaker 1: And that's ultimately what he did.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, he went back in the game, lit him up,
Speaker 2: and then Draymond came back in and Shingoon was shook
Speaker 2: and Draymond asked for one on one defensive assignment game
Speaker 2: on the line. Shingoon makes the shot you're going back
Speaker 2: to Golden State. I'm sorry, going back to Houston. That's
Speaker 2: very important. Two games apiece, Shingoon misses the shot and
Speaker 2: you have a commanding lead on the series, and.
Speaker 1: Draymond got him.
Speaker 2: And so years ago when the Warriors were at their
Speaker 2: apex and.
Speaker 1: People thought this was.
Speaker 2: Anti Kawhi rather than being pro Draymond. But I was
Speaker 2: on the record that I thought Draymond should have won
Speaker 2: three consecutive Defensive Player of the Year awards. I thought
Speaker 2: Draymond's ability to let them play small and to still
Speaker 2: have a dominant defense was such an underrated element of
Speaker 2: the fifteen and sixteen Warriors. What people forget about those
Speaker 2: two Warriors years pre Durant was, yes, Steph was unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and nobody forgets the threes and the seventy three wins
Speaker 2: and Clay's thirty seven point quarter and all of that.
Speaker 2: What people do forget is they had the number one
Speaker 2: defensive basketball those two years, and that was Draymond Green.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just Draymond. Iggy was a great defender, Clay
Speaker 2: was a great defender, but Draymond Green was the tip
Speaker 2: of the spear. And for Draymond at this age, at
Speaker 2: this point of his career, when a legitimate concern for
Speaker 2: Draymond was he is already at a deficit athletically. What
Speaker 2: is it going to look like when he just loses
Speaker 2: five ten percent of his athleticism, when he's already not
Speaker 2: the quickest, can't obviously jump, viist any of that.
Speaker 1: And the answer is his.
Speaker 2: Toughness, his tenacity, his basketball brilliance will overcome all of it.
Speaker 2: And it is really a remarkable feat what he has
Speaker 2: been able to accomplish in this series without ever scoring,
Speaker 2: without ever scoring in double digits. It is.
Speaker 1: Absolutely spectacular and it shows a that one of.
Speaker 2: The smartest quotes he's ever given is, there's eighty two
Speaker 2: game guys in their sixteen game guys, and he is
Speaker 2: the definition of a sixteen game guy. And to be clear,
Speaker 2: it doesn't absolve him of all the nonsense, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't make him, in my opinion, particularly enjoyable to watch,
Speaker 2: but it is the definition of a player who understood,
Speaker 2: I have one path to being a great player, and
Speaker 2: that is the path I am going to walk, and
Speaker 2: I have respect for that. And it is such a
Speaker 2: luxury for Steph Curry that Steph can have an off night,
Speaker 2: seventeen three and three four turnovers. Hit the one huge shot,
Speaker 2: just a shot that the Warrior has been hitting for
Speaker 2: ten years. You get a defensive stop, knock the ball
Speaker 2: out of balance. They got two on the shot clock.
Speaker 2: You know they're going to Steph for three. You know
Speaker 2: he's pump faking. You're gonna bite on the pump fake
Speaker 2: anyway and give up the three late in the fourth.
Speaker 1: That was really his only noteworthy.
Speaker 2: Moment of the second half, and they can win anyway. Now,
Speaker 2: speaking of Steph, people got very mad.
Speaker 1: DEMANSA.
Speaker 2: You saw it coming when we were doing the show
Speaker 2: on Thursday and I kind of did the impromptu Steph
Speaker 2: Curry rules mini rant. Yeah, you you could tell that
Speaker 2: that was going to be an unpopular take. You might
Speaker 2: have even thought it was a slightly unfair take from
Speaker 2: the look.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I thought you were being scenari towards the
Speaker 3: Curry fans, and that's not necessarily Curry. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean definitely knew that was going to get some engagements.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a few things on that. One is.
Speaker 2: People then tried to take my Steph take and remove
Speaker 2: Steph and put in Lebron's name because now it looks
Speaker 2: like they're going to lose in round one, which is
Speaker 2: a unique and interesting turn of phrase and a smart
Speaker 2: thing to do if you can say with a straight
Speaker 2: face that there has ever been a single moment of
Speaker 2: Lebron James's career where he has skirted criticism where it's
Speaker 2: been like, oh, the media didn't jump on Lebron there. Wow,
Speaker 2: people are just missing the boat on this one. People
Speaker 2: are Wow, they're sure letting Lebron for that early playoff
Speaker 2: exit slide, Like that's never happened.
Speaker 1: So it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't to say he's never come up short. It was
Speaker 2: to say or it wasn't even to say that Steph
Speaker 2: regularly does. It was to say.
Speaker 1: That in regards to.
Speaker 2: Steph, the commentary somewhat vacillates between he's underappreciated goat point
Speaker 2: guard in the goat conversation. That's the upper end, and
Speaker 2: then the bad game or disappointing game or disappointing playoff
Speaker 2: performance end is nothing. And I would argue if folks
Speaker 2: want to do the Lebron comparison there, that the Lebron
Speaker 2: comp would be the upper end is.
Speaker 1: That was amazing.
Speaker 2: But here's why Jordan would have done it better, and
Speaker 2: the lower end is lefraud La Mickey. And here's why,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? This is STEP's era or
Speaker 2: Kobe would have this. So it's just the way it's
Speaker 2: phrased a little differently. Which is why, even though I
Speaker 2: have great respect and truly a level of awe watching
Speaker 2: Steph Curry at age thirty seven do what he's doing,
Speaker 2: I don't mind, you know the let me interrupt myself here.
Speaker 2: You guys remember Batman begins and okay, so the producers there, nerds,
Speaker 2: they'll they'll remember.
Speaker 3: What it was called?
Speaker 2: Something of Shadows? Was it the League of Shadows? I
Speaker 2: feel like this is Daniel right in my ear.
Speaker 1: He's got it. I knew it. Daniel was on it.
Speaker 2: Uh the so who was that? Who was the actor
Speaker 2: the main guy for the League of Shadows?
Speaker 1: Liam? It was Liam Neeson. That's right.
Speaker 2: So Liam Neeson and the League of Shadows basically says
Speaker 2: I'm not a bad guy. I'm just here to provide balance.
Speaker 2: When things get out of whack, we come in and
Speaker 2: even things out. Okay, I sadly would appear, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: ros I'll thank you. Sadly it would appear that I
Speaker 2: have to be that character for some of the Steph
Speaker 2: Curry stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not that he's not one of the twelve.
Speaker 2: Greatest players ever, the greatest shooter ever, the greatest small
Speaker 2: player ever, an all time champion team made.
Speaker 1: All of it.
Speaker 2: It's that because he is so universally beloved.
Speaker 1: That there is no balance. Yes, and so my.
Speaker 2: Version of bringing balance to Monsa is sending a you know,
Speaker 2: somewhat an a Dyninge tweet with a minute left in
Speaker 2: the basketball game last night that says, really interested in
Speaker 2: who is and who isn't on the court this possession,
Speaker 2: because you then saw the Golden State Warriors in the
Speaker 2: biggest possession defensively of their season, tell Steph Curry sit
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 1: Give us a minute.
Speaker 2: And then they called time out, got him back on
Speaker 2: the court, and then the next possession, the shingoon possession,
Speaker 2: we come out of commercial, and I'm like, oh, I wonder,
Speaker 2: I wonder if a guy who I am a hater
Speaker 2: because I won't include in the goat conversation, I wonder
Speaker 2: if his head coach thinks what gives us the best
Speaker 2: chance to win right now is either having Steph Curry
Speaker 2: or Brandon Putjimski on the court, and Steve Kerr was like,
Speaker 2: let's press the brand and Pajimski button.
Speaker 1: And again, I know that that makes me a bad guy.
Speaker 1: I get it. I can.
Speaker 2: I can wear the black hat for this. But as
Speaker 2: I as I mentioned.
Speaker 3: That Curry doesn't receive the same amount of criticism that
Speaker 3: it's it's not no.
Speaker 1: It's not even that.
Speaker 2: I would just like an acknowledgement that it happens, that's all,
Speaker 2: like I. And so I did that top twelve thing,
Speaker 2: and I put Steph and Shack in the same right
Speaker 2: outside the top ten bucket. And the reason I thought
Speaker 2: it was interesting they were eleven twelve again, you know
Speaker 2: it was. It was lebron Kareem, Michael Magic, Russell, Wilt Duncan,
Speaker 2: Kobe Bird, a Cheme, Shack stuff that Shaq had a
Speaker 2: similar thing where late in games when they had a
Speaker 2: lead and they were on offense, they'd take him out
Speaker 2: for free throws. By the way, and I don't really
Speaker 2: go on Instagram, so I always have dms that I
Speaker 2: that I missed. But how about this DM that I
Speaker 2: didn't know how to respond to because I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: if he was actually happy with it or not. From
Speaker 2: Doctor Shaquille O'Neill on ig. Thanks Top twelve is nice?
Speaker 1: Thanks?
Speaker 2: Do we think that was like sincere or he's mad
Speaker 2: at me because Shaq Shaq does his pod with one
Speaker 2: of my dear friends, Adam Lefko. I really like Shaq,
Speaker 2: I don't he He came on first things first seven
Speaker 2: years ago, picked Deanna up. We have a great picture.
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't. I don't want Shack.
Speaker 3: I first came out with that was like back a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: No, he sent it three days ago. No, it was
Speaker 2: because of the Steph clip. So that's why I'm worried
Speaker 2: because the context of that clip is, I'm like, here
Speaker 2: are the greatest players. Two of them had a flaw
Speaker 2: that opponents tried to exploit. One of them was Shack.
Speaker 2: And then he's saying thanks Top twelve.
Speaker 1: But he didn't mention that, yes, maybe we're good.
Speaker 2: But to get back on track, I watched those games,
Speaker 2: and during the games when they took Shack off the court,
Speaker 2: the commentators didn't pretend it wasn't happening, or they didn't
Speaker 2: act confused as.
Speaker 1: To why it was happening.
Speaker 2: When the Lakers had a four point lead with forty
Speaker 2: seconds left and all of a sudden, Shacks coming out
Speaker 2: of the game. No one was like, oh, interesting call
Speaker 2: by Phil Jackson. We're gonna get some Sasha Vuya chich
Speaker 2: minutes here. Hey, Sasha wasn't on those teams. My apologies,
Speaker 2: or maybe he was on the end, but regardless, nobody,
Speaker 2: nobody was making those no just saying those things, be like, oh,
Speaker 2: don't want to you know, Shack's liability of the line.
Speaker 2: They want to get him out of the game. And
Speaker 2: so again, I think that Steph's Game three, which we
Speaker 2: talked about yesterday, was an all time performance and you
Speaker 2: saw that in the game, and then you saw it
Speaker 2: in the talk shows and TV shows yesterday that we're
Speaker 2: paying homage to it. Steph's Game four performance what you're
Speaker 2: not going to see, And I'm fine, and you shouldn't
Speaker 2: because it's it's it's toxic commentary is all.
Speaker 1: Steph carried by Jimmy. You're not gonna get that.
Speaker 2: And I just and that is it's just a nice
Speaker 2: goldilock zone in the public consciousness to live. And I thought,
Speaker 2: I think that right now the Steph where I will
Speaker 2: in all seriousness and yesterday wasn't a good example of it.
Speaker 2: But this whole series has been it has been really
Speaker 2: remarkable to watch the Rockets entire the Rockets, who are
Speaker 2: a decade younger than the Warriors, with nothing but long,
Speaker 2: strong defenders to throw at him. Their entire game plan
Speaker 2: B just please don't let Steph Curry kill us. And
Speaker 2: they've really only been able to execute it successfully in
Speaker 2: one game, like they and they lost it, but the
Speaker 2: I get well, no, I guess you could say they
Speaker 2: executed it in Game two as well. That's that's I'm
Speaker 2: Steph has had two brilliant games. Game one was the
Speaker 2: best game anyone had played up to that point the postseason.
Speaker 2: I understand it was the first weekend, and Game three
Speaker 2: might be the best game anyone's played in the postseason
Speaker 2: other than the Ants game.
Speaker 3: What does that mean for other teams in the West too?
Speaker 3: If this young and spry Rockets team can't stop Curry,
Speaker 3: you know, Denver has got some defensive problems. I don't
Speaker 3: know if they're going to be seeing them.
Speaker 2: And well, listen, what every other team has is someone
Speaker 2: who can score the basketball. Yeah, I mean that's the
Speaker 2: you're you're right that this will be STEP's heart Now
Speaker 2: if they get Minnesota. Minnesota is going to be a
Speaker 2: son of a bitch. Defensively, we're seeing that right now.
Speaker 2: But what the other teams have is the ability to score,
Speaker 2: and that brings I mean, I'm I could not be
Speaker 2: further out on Jalen Green. I was never really in
Speaker 2: on Jalen Green.
Speaker 1: I and.
Speaker 2: You know is Jailen I just that is not the
Speaker 2: style of player I tend to love. But also, being
Speaker 2: in single digit seven of your last eight games is wild.
Speaker 2: It's really wild. All right, Let's get to the Lakers Timberwolves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you said on your show that their season
Speaker 3: the Lakers ended last weekend, but the series isn't over.
Speaker 3: How would you explain that? How would they still be alive?
Speaker 2: So listen, I think they can. I actually think they
Speaker 2: can win the series. They obviously need a lot of
Speaker 2: things to break their way. The reason I said the
Speaker 2: season's over, and I mean it is because the goal
Speaker 2: of the season was to make the finals win the championship,
Speaker 2: and they had a very narrow path to doing that,
Speaker 2: and one of the parts of that path was winning
Speaker 2: in round one in short order and definitively not letting
Speaker 2: round one go seven. Now it's going to take a
Speaker 2: heroic effort just to get.
Speaker 1: Out of round one in seven. But here's the problem.
Speaker 2: Demanse starting tomorrow, best case scenario for the Lakers. They
Speaker 2: play on the following dates April thirtieth, May second, May fourth,
Speaker 2: May sixth, May eighth, May tenth, May twelfth, May fourteenth,
Speaker 2: May sixteenth, May eighteenth, May twentieth, May twenty second, May
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, May twenty sixth, May twenty eighth, May thirtieth,
Speaker 2: fifty their best case scenario. And I guess really, technically
Speaker 2: the best case scenario is some of those games are
Speaker 2: clipped out because they get they get out of this
Speaker 2: round and then win in round two quickly. That's so yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's now we're not really talking realistic scenarios. The
Speaker 2: point is round one was the only with extra time
Speaker 2: between games, and you could get that in round two
Speaker 2: if you win your round one series early. But none
Speaker 2: of that is happening, and now they are on starting
Speaker 2: tomorrow and every other day until this season ends trajectory.
Speaker 2: And that's hard enough to win when the guy who's
Speaker 2: playing the best for you on your team is forty
Speaker 2: years old and at seventy thousand minutes, it is impossible
Speaker 2: to win when that the guy who's playing the best
Speaker 2: of anyone on your team is forty years old at
Speaker 2: seventy thousand minutes, and the coach has made it very
Speaker 2: clear to the team and the entire world, there's five
Speaker 2: guys on this team I even want to let look
Speaker 2: me in the eye. I mean, that was the other
Speaker 2: piece of it, like the to to show that little
Speaker 2: faith in the rest of your squad that early in
Speaker 2: the playoffs is I just don't know that you can
Speaker 2: come back from it. And so that's why I said
Speaker 2: the season's over now. I think they'll win tomorrow. I
Speaker 2: think you and I will be on here Thursday, coming
Speaker 2: off a Lakers win and discussing, well, if they can
Speaker 2: just win Friday in Minnesota, where they had opportunities to
Speaker 2: win both of the previous two, then you have a
Speaker 2: Game seven in Los Angeles, and I'll talk myself into it.
Speaker 1: There's no question about.
Speaker 2: It, especially given the level Lebron is playing, because what
Speaker 2: was supposed to be the question going into these playoffs
Speaker 2: was more about what level would Lebron be at. Instead,
Speaker 2: he's twenty six, ten and eight with the best defense
Speaker 2: on the team. He's been by the advanced numbers, the
Speaker 2: best rim protector in the NBA these playoffs. He's just
Speaker 2: played forty six minutes and had the energy on defense,
Speaker 2: didn't have it on offense at the end. So he's
Speaker 2: been and now he's gonna have two days. So he's
Speaker 2: been excellent. And I'll talk myself into that Luca is
Speaker 2: going to get, you know, back to true Luca form.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think they have enough bodies.
Speaker 2: And it is true that from a narrative and infuriating
Speaker 2: media cycle perspective, and folks that you know, take pleasure
Speaker 2: in my pain, we are potentially staring down the barrel
Speaker 2: at from annoying and infuriating narrative perspective of a worst
Speaker 2: case scenario, which is somehow a Lebron slash Luca masterpiece
Speaker 2: over these next three games serves them up dead, tired
Speaker 2: and exhausted to a fresh rested Warriors team coming off
Speaker 2: a five game beating of Houston. And then we get
Speaker 2: Steph Lebron in round two, and folks in that series
Speaker 2: will of course pretend that we didn't get Steph Lebron
Speaker 2: in round.
Speaker 1: Two two years ago.
Speaker 2: When folks acted like big stakes on this series. Oh
Speaker 2: it's finally a fair fight. And then if you remember
Speaker 2: that series culminated in Steph falling down at mid court,
Speaker 2: then throwing the ball backwards over his head out of
Speaker 2: bounds in the deciding game, and the Lakers cruising, everyone
Speaker 2: will pretend as if that didn't happen, and this is
Speaker 2: the newest referendum. I would not enjoy those basketball games,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much right now. And the Lakers
Speaker 2: have put themselves in a position now with the assistance
Speaker 2: of Jalen Green and some great Warriors play that we
Speaker 2: talked earlier of that being the scenario we're looking at.
Speaker 2: The best case scenario coming in was the opposite. Of course,
Speaker 2: the Lakers handle business, beat Minnesota in five or six.
Speaker 2: The Warriors have a seven game war with Houston. And
Speaker 2: this is why playoff basketball is so great. We are
Speaker 2: like three possessions away from that being the case. Lebron's
Speaker 2: masterpiece thirty eight points in Game three, if Luca just
Speaker 2: has anything in the tank, they have that. They have
Speaker 2: a double digit lead in Game four and they have
Speaker 2: the ball up to with a minute left, everything goes
Speaker 2: wrong from there that point forward. That's between Lakers being
Speaker 2: down three to one and up three to one. And
Speaker 2: last night, how many opportunities did Houston have, most notably
Speaker 2: just Shingoon shot at the end for that series to
Speaker 2: be two to two. But that's the playoffs, man. The
Speaker 2: Clippers were one hundredth of a second away from planning
Speaker 2: for Oklahoma City, and now they kind of know deep
Speaker 2: down we're gonna be playing a game seven at altitude
Speaker 2: in Denver. We're the best player in the world on
Speaker 2: the other team. It's just just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: All right, the.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, it's Shane Goon. Yeah, so Chris is saying.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe. I can't believe that no one has
Speaker 2: gotten to Reggie about this. You are sitting next to
Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan. He is calling him Shin Goon. He's the
Speaker 2: best player on the Rockets. He's their only all star.
Speaker 2: His name is shing Goon. If you were going to
Speaker 2: mispronounce it because it's an international name and you were
Speaker 2: just gonna do it the way it's spelled, that would
Speaker 2: be Singoon. There is no a in the name. You
Speaker 2: are calling the NBA playoffs. You are saying his name
Speaker 2: fifty times, and you won't stop calling him Shane Goon.
Speaker 2: I don't like. I don't understand it. It is beyond baffling.
Speaker 2: Beyond baffling.
Speaker 3: I've gotten hip to your your Reggie Miller take. I was.
Speaker 3: I was telling Daniel earlier. I've I've been listening to him.
Speaker 3: He's it can be a little unbearable, a little annoying.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the it's on. I can't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you noticed yesterday, but Draymond was
Speaker 3: like he was doing his antics the entire game, and
Speaker 3: then he goes over to apologize and Reggie Miller is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: a real vet move by him, and.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, acting like I can't, I can't. I
Speaker 2: it is the combination of.
Speaker 1: I again.
Speaker 2: People people tweet to me, they're like, why do you
Speaker 2: dislike Reggie Miller. It's it, It's nothing personal. It's just
Speaker 2: I am. I love him basketball. He is the number
Speaker 2: one color commentator on one of the top broadcasts. He
Speaker 2: has been involved in a disproportionate amount of my favorite
Speaker 2: sports moments, and I'm sorry to be a jerk. I
Speaker 2: don't mean to. He's never made a single one of
Speaker 2: them better. And it's like you can be like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's just different styles, so be it.
Speaker 1: No problem.
Speaker 2: You got to pronounce the player's names right, like it's
Speaker 2: just a level, It's whatever. All right, let's keep moving.
Speaker 2: We can do some follow ups here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the last two minute report came out and
Speaker 3: it said that Luca should have gotten a foul call
Speaker 3: on him or not on him. McDaniel should have gotten
Speaker 3: a foul call on him because he tripped Luca. Do
Speaker 3: you think that this swinging the game more than JJ
Speaker 3: deciding to play the starting fial.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, if they get that foul call that, you know,
Speaker 2: assuming Luca makes both, which you don't know for sure,
Speaker 2: the Lakers are in, you know, up one with thirty
Speaker 2: five seconds left. I I am pretty consistent on this,
Speaker 2: complaining about officiatings for losers.
Speaker 1: And be better.
Speaker 2: You're it's gonna you like to think eventually it'll even out.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'll be honest.
Speaker 2: I was more annoyed by the NBA breaking out the
Speaker 2: five thousand millimeters of pruder camera to find the foul
Speaker 2: on Lebron than I was them not calling the.
Speaker 1: Trip like that was. That was frustrating.
Speaker 2: I But I but where I'm consistent on that is
Speaker 2: I just don't like replay in sports in general. I
Speaker 2: think it has made sports worse, but that's another argument
Speaker 2: for another day. The worst missed call the refs had
Speaker 2: in that game was the kickball out of bounds on
Speaker 2: the sideline that would have been Laker's ball with fourteen
Speaker 2: on the clock. Instead they called shotluck violation. But whatever,
Speaker 2: like be better. So I'm not gonna and I did not.
Speaker 2: I understand the last two minute reports said what it said.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that was an egregious missed call. That
Speaker 2: was borderline it. You know, Lucas stepped on his foot,
Speaker 2: he did stick his foot out. That was whatever be better,
Speaker 2: and Lebron's got to inbound that ball better. So, like
Speaker 2: I the I'm not going to blame refs.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: It's not my thing in the reviewing situation. Like I
Speaker 3: think the time has to be cut down. That's one thing.
Speaker 3: Reggie Miller is one hundred per correct on that game yesterday.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there was like ten minutes of
Speaker 3: them reviewing a play in Golden Rockets.
Speaker 2: Listen, this is an rant for the off season. But
Speaker 2: if you can't figure it out within thirty seconds, the
Speaker 2: call on the floor.
Speaker 3: Stands stands, right, Yeah, and the only The.
Speaker 2: Only scenario where I am okay with them taking all
Speaker 2: the time they need is the Clippers Nugget scenario where
Speaker 2: it's game over or not game over, because it that
Speaker 2: is to what nobody ever talks about when.
Speaker 1: It comes to these replays and reviews is fatigue and conditioning.
Speaker 2: Being a part of sports, and that it should benefit
Speaker 2: the more better conditioned team, And so the long replays
Speaker 2: and reviews skews the fair outcome. With the one exception
Speaker 2: of something like Clippers Nuggets where it's literally the last
Speaker 2: play of the game like that, that to me is
Speaker 2: a different situation everything else. It was put in place
Speaker 2: so you could get obvious mistakes, right not so oh
Speaker 2: we called this and out of bounds.
Speaker 1: But it turns out when we take the camera from
Speaker 1: the drone at the ceilings and zoom in and black
Speaker 1: and white, we see, like, give me a break, let's
Speaker 1: do the last follow up here about Aunt.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so last year everybody thought aunt was taking
Speaker 3: the big He had a lot of traction saying he's
Speaker 3: gonna be the face of the league, but they kind
Speaker 3: of died off after the Western Conference finals. So we
Speaker 3: think that it's a real deal. He's walking down some.
Speaker 2: Well, Listen, what's definitely a real deal is he's been
Speaker 2: the best player in this series and that's a series
Speaker 2: with Pete Luca it supposed to be and Lebron in
Speaker 2: the playoffs who will always just be great. And that's remarkable.
Speaker 2: It's also real that he's twenty three years old. He's
Speaker 2: knocked Kevin Durant and Devin Booker out of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: He's knocked Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray out of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: He is a game away from knocking Luke and Lebron
Speaker 2: out of the playoffs. And then he's gonna have a
Speaker 2: chance to knock Steph out of the playoffs. Like that's
Speaker 2: that's the path. And now our resident Nuggets fan Daniel,
Speaker 2: who is a really really sharp guy and a great producer,
Speaker 2: but has a blind spot for his team, rites in.
Speaker 2: Didn't Jokic, not Ant knock Ant, Durant and Lebron out? Yes, Daniel,
Speaker 2: And that's how he became known as.
Speaker 1: The best player in the league. Yes, yes, he did.
Speaker 2: And that's why we are now talking about if Aunt
Speaker 2: were to do something similar, what it would mean for him.
Speaker 2: I get it, you are correct, sir, and and so
Speaker 2: it's like my Ba and Aunt. Listen, the what the
Speaker 2: conversation that is starting with Aunt and fair is fair?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Is is he The conversation that's starting is is he
Speaker 2: better than Luca?
Speaker 1: And Perk flat out said he is. Listen.
Speaker 2: I would still rather have Luca, however, and I don't
Speaker 2: think it's I don't think we can be so prisoner
Speaker 2: of the moment d where Luca drastically outplays him and
Speaker 2: beats him in the conference finals a year ago.
Speaker 1: And that is totally that means nothing.
Speaker 2: If the opposite then happens in the playoffs this year,
Speaker 2: that just means they're.
Speaker 1: One to one.
Speaker 2: However, this year Ant's game has jumped and Lucas didn't.
Speaker 2: And you know, Anti's a dominant two way.
Speaker 1: Player like he is.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Luca dropping us tier for
Speaker 2: the time being or Ant rising a tier.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of both. But that is a
Speaker 1: fair discussion.
Speaker 3: The mean, when you bake in the defense with Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 3: I think is probably I don't know where Kendrick Perkins
Speaker 3: was talking about or where his points were, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I think when you factor in the fact that Ant
Speaker 3: plays actual defense and he can probably average the same
Speaker 3: amount of points that Luca can.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is he hasn't shown he can
Speaker 2: average the amount of points as Luca can, and he's
Speaker 2: never where been close to the passer Luca's been, so
Speaker 2: Lucas is he hasn't been in this series. But Luca
Speaker 2: is the more well rounded.
Speaker 3: Better as series, right, all.
Speaker 2: Right, And so there's just but it is listen, the
Speaker 2: playoffs in the games and the results have to matter,
Speaker 2: and so like that is that like he is making
Speaker 2: a claim and we'll see how far he can push
Speaker 2: this thing.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on to Dame.
Speaker 3: So Dame unfortunately went down with a non contact injury
Speaker 3: a few days ago. He tore his achilles in game four.
Speaker 3: You said that it was likely the last time we
Speaker 3: see Dame play like Dame, and you also said this
Speaker 3: is probably the last time we see Giannis as a buck.
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Yeah, I I hate.
Speaker 2: This so much for Damian Lillard, and you know he
Speaker 2: he he came back faster from and it killed sorry
Speaker 2: from blood clots than anyone ever and that I don't
Speaker 2: really understand how he did it. And obviously blood clots
Speaker 2: are not related to a torn achilles However, him being
Speaker 2: out and not being able to train and do their
Speaker 2: play for a month a month and then jumping into
Speaker 2: playoff basketball. Did that contribute I would have to imagine
Speaker 2: it at least could have. And so you just feel
Speaker 2: truly sick to your stomach that this guy did everything
Speaker 2: he could to come back as early as possible and
Speaker 2: now and it was to get this playoff run. And
Speaker 2: now he didn't get this playoff run, and he's not
Speaker 2: gonna have next year's playoff run, and he might not
Speaker 2: have any more playoff runs. So I mean that is
Speaker 2: a true cruel, cruel turn of events for a great
Speaker 2: dude and a great player. Yeah, I mean you just
Speaker 2: hate it. You hate every piece of it. And you
Speaker 2: know he has I'm sure so.
Speaker 1: Many what ifs in his head.
Speaker 2: What if he had just stayed in Portland and just
Speaker 2: been the legend there forever. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 2: well if I had done that, I wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 2: these great playoff runs that those never happened.
Speaker 3: So you, oh, you said that, Dame said, like, what
Speaker 3: if I'd never left Portland? And you're saying, honest might.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, what I'm saying. I'm just talking about
Speaker 2: from Dame. I'll get to Giannis in a minute. What
Speaker 2: I'm saying for Dame is he's just thinking, like I'm
Speaker 2: sure he has a lot of like, man, what have
Speaker 2: I never left? I left Portland, which I didn't really
Speaker 2: want to do because I wanted to compete for a championship.
Speaker 2: I won zero playoff series in Milwaukee. I would you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like that that didn't happen. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's also thinking, what if they had just traded
Speaker 2: me where I wanted to be traded to Miami and
Speaker 2: it was me and Jimmy Butler and bam.
Speaker 1: You know what would that have looked like?
Speaker 2: And so it's a cruel not final chapter, but close
Speaker 2: to a final chapter for Dame and then for Yannis.
Speaker 2: I I don't see how Yannis can stay. And the
Speaker 2: Bucks are in such a weird spot because they don't
Speaker 2: control any of their own picks the next six years,
Speaker 2: so they can't tank, They have no cap space to
Speaker 2: improve the team, they don't have any young players that
Speaker 2: you're just super excited about, and so it's gonna be
Speaker 2: fake trade season with Giannis. And there's two demands that
Speaker 2: I made that are really interesting. One is to the Rockets,
Speaker 2: where you get Hngoon Reed Shepherd, who is a top
Speaker 2: five pick who doesn't play. Jack Landale. He doesn't play
Speaker 2: because he doesn't defend, but he was top by picking
Speaker 2: this year's draft, so he's valuable Jack Landale for salary filler.
Speaker 2: And then four draft picks, two of which are super valuable,
Speaker 2: the Phoenix twenty seven and twenty nine first and the
Speaker 2: Houston twenty eight and thirty first. That if you're Milwaukee,
Speaker 2: because keep in mind, you can't tank, so Shingoon makes
Speaker 2: it so you don't tank. You have those picks to
Speaker 2: start getting the young players. That to me is a unique,
Speaker 2: an interesting one. And then the other one if you
Speaker 2: just want to go pure young you there is a
Speaker 2: trade with the Spurs where you offer them Giannis so
Speaker 2: Jannis and Wimber together, which is terrifying for the league,
Speaker 2: and they give up Barnes for the salary Kelden Johnson,
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year Stefan Castle, and then a litany
Speaker 2: of picks, the Atlanta and first round pick in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty seven, the Chicago first round pick in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: the Boston first round pick in twenty twenty eight, the
Speaker 2: Dallas first round pick in twenty thirty, which could be
Speaker 2: super valuable, and the Minnesota first round pick in twenty thirty,
Speaker 2: which is okay, And I like, those are.
Speaker 1: Real trades and.
Speaker 2: I'm interested if they would they would be interested in
Speaker 2: any of those the are there any other fake trades
Speaker 2: you want to ask me about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's what about okay? See, I mean they have picks,
Speaker 3: and they can obviously trade good players. So you see
Speaker 3: that working out.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing for okay, se First of all, they
Speaker 2: might win the title this year. If they do that,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: That in this scenario, if they fell off, if they
Speaker 3: came up short, if.
Speaker 1: They Okay, so they came up short, do they?
Speaker 2: So they're not trading shit, right, So I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to see how they could make the salaries work. I
Speaker 2: guess they could because Hartenstein makes twenty eight million. I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to put it together on the fly. If
Speaker 2: you traded them Hartenstein.
Speaker 1: And Chet to go and.
Speaker 2: Let me find one more guy that you would have
Speaker 2: like would if you traded him Hartenstein, Chet and Isaiah.
Speaker 1: Joe That that makes the salaries work.
Speaker 2: And then they have the picks okac has Is in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, Houston's and the Clippers in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: seven their own, and Dallas in twenty twenty eight Denver
Speaker 2: Denver's pick, and then they have their own picks the
Speaker 2: rest of the way, so they don't have have great picks.
Speaker 2: We thought that Clippers pick would be unbelievable. Do they
Speaker 2: have swaps? I thought they had swaps with the Clippers
Speaker 2: and let me look that up real quick, future draft
Speaker 2: picks Clippers.
Speaker 1: So or no, I don't, so let me see.
Speaker 2: They so outgoing draft picks for the I should have
Speaker 2: done the Thunder, but so I don't think that maybe
Speaker 2: those picks went elsewhere. Sorry, this is not good podcasting,
Speaker 2: but I just incoming picks.
Speaker 1: So they Yeah, they can swap.
Speaker 2: With the Clippers in twenty twenty seven, they can swap
Speaker 2: with Dallas in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Uh, and I think.
Speaker 2: That's where that the Paul George trade and all that
Speaker 2: stuff ends. But Chat would be a real piece. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Hartenstein's a real piece. So yeah, I don't think the
Speaker 2: Thunder gonna make that move. Maybe I'm wrong. I think
Speaker 2: Houston or San Antonio are the more likely outcomes there
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna do this. I guess we're gonna
Speaker 2: try to do some shadoor Thursday because we don't have
Speaker 2: time for it here, because I do want to I
Speaker 2: want to have some fun, and I also want to
Speaker 2: talk about the Saquon thing. So let's just skip ahead
Speaker 2: to the saque thing, because this is very simple and
Speaker 2: I I don't know why people. I do know why
Speaker 2: people are being disingenuous about this, but it's annoying, so
Speaker 2: let me do so if people don't know.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the Eagles were at the White House yesterday.
Speaker 2: Sidebar that for a moment prior to that, sake was
Speaker 2: chilling with the president and golfing with him. He then
Speaker 2: tweeted the following, Okay, and we can lol. Some people
Speaker 2: are really upset because I played golf and flew to
Speaker 2: the White House with the all caps president. Maybe I
Speaker 2: just respect the office. Not a hard concept to understand.
Speaker 2: Just golfed with Obama not too long ago and look
Speaker 2: forward to finishing my round with Trump.
Speaker 1: Now you get out my.
Speaker 2: Mentions with all this politics and have an amazing day
Speaker 2: laughing emoji. Okay, I'm gonna give Saquon the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt. That he's smarter than that.
Speaker 1: And this is if you have the intellectual capacity to
Speaker 1: listen to this in a non partisan manner, I think
Speaker 1: I think you will.
Speaker 2: Agree with what I'm saying. The reason I said I
Speaker 2: think I thought he was smarter than that is very simple.
Speaker 2: Choosing to spend time with the world's most famous politician
Speaker 2: and then being like, why y'all talk in politics here
Speaker 2: is stupid.
Speaker 1: It's dumb behavior.
Speaker 2: And if you were photographed hanging out with Bobby Flay
Speaker 2: and then we're like, hey, why, people drop in recipes
Speaker 2: in my mentions, like hey man, this is like this
Speaker 2: is what it is, So like the whole where's this
Speaker 2: coming from? Guy in the banana costume?
Speaker 1: Who did this? Buddy?
Speaker 2: You're golfing with the world's most famous politician. So there's
Speaker 2: that piece of it. Okay, it's not an unfair ask
Speaker 2: or an unfair assumption, whatever it is. Now here is
Speaker 2: the slightly more complicated but not actually complicated piece of this.
Speaker 2: I do think that athletes get put in tricky spots
Speaker 2: when it comes to we've won the championship, We've been
Speaker 2: invited to the White House, because they are then without
Speaker 2: opting into it, being forced to make what will for
Speaker 2: many people be a political choice, just the again Obama
Speaker 2: Trump president. I obviously do not view them the same,
Speaker 2: but I understand the way I feel about one and
Speaker 2: feel about the other. Some people listening feel the exact
Speaker 2: same way, but in the one.
Speaker 1: Hundred and eighty degrees. So just stick with me here
Speaker 1: for a moment. Guys, when it comes to my team's
Speaker 1: been invited to the White House.
Speaker 2: And I disagree with everything the president represents, you're putting
Speaker 2: a weird spot because if you show up, some people
Speaker 2: will use that against you. And if you don't show up,
Speaker 2: as Jalen Hurts is learning right now, some people will
Speaker 2: use that against you.
Speaker 1: And you didn't ask to go.
Speaker 2: You're like, I just practiced hard and got great at
Speaker 2: the sport, my team won a championship, and now I'm
Speaker 2: I'm making I'm being forced to make a decision either way.
Speaker 2: I empathize with guys in that spot, truly, okay, and
Speaker 2: I am everyone's got to make their own decision. But
Speaker 2: I feel badly when folks who truly want nothing to
Speaker 2: and I get let me, I'll back up even further.
Speaker 2: I get folks that are saying, no, you have an
Speaker 2: obligation in this moment to stand up for what you
Speaker 2: believe in is Folks that think there's a crisis, all
Speaker 2: of it. I get all that, and we can have
Speaker 2: those discussions at a different time. It's not what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to do right now. What I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: right now is make a very specific point, and the
Speaker 2: specific point the only way to make it is if
Speaker 2: we just treat all presidencies equal. And I understand that's
Speaker 2: not how people feel about any presidency. Okay, and I
Speaker 2: feel particularly this one, but I know a lot of
Speaker 2: you guys watching felt like the eight years under Obama
Speaker 2: were damn tyranny.
Speaker 1: So like, again, agree to disagree on that stuff. Stick
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: On an intellectual level, the White House visit stuff puts
Speaker 2: guys in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: They didn kN opped into. This was not that.
Speaker 2: Choosing opting into in your personal time, striking up a
Speaker 2: personal relationship with the sitting president of the United States.
Speaker 1: Is a political decision, flatly.
Speaker 2: And when you opt into that arena, folks are going
Speaker 2: to assume that you either share some values or whatever
Speaker 2: they think is the most objectionable thing about that politician,
Speaker 2: that you don't have the same issue with that they do,
Speaker 2: which is objectively likely true. The folks that thought Obama
Speaker 2: was the Antichrist cannot believe Saquon Barkley would golf with him.
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, I assume knew that chose to do it anyway.
Speaker 2: And the folks that believe the current president is a
Speaker 2: dictator in waiting or wants to be and thinks that
Speaker 2: anything other than hardcore disavowal is a endorsement, those folks
Speaker 2: certainly would not golf with him. Saquan is saying, That's
Speaker 2: not how I feel. Obviously, as of this moment, we
Speaker 2: still have free speech in this country, freedom of political expression.
Speaker 2: He's allowed to think or feel whatever he wants. What
Speaker 2: you can't do is then play the woe is me?
Speaker 2: Why is everyone acting like this is a big deal?
Speaker 2: Gotta be smarter than that, And Saquan's a smart guy,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: I I was.
Speaker 2: Disappointed at the where's this coming from? Why are you
Speaker 2: guys being ridiculous tweet?
Speaker 1: When it was.
Speaker 2: Totally fair, in my opinion, for folks to see anyone
Speaker 2: that you are not part of your job, not being
Speaker 2: made to do, not part of team building, that you
Speaker 2: are opting to spend five hours of your personal time
Speaker 2: with hobnobbing on the golf course. That folks might then
Speaker 2: think you are endorsing that person to a degree, which
Speaker 2: obviously you are allowed to do. To act shocked by
Speaker 2: that reaction, it's either naive, disingenuous, or dumb.
Speaker 1: And I don't know which one you want to be.
Speaker 2: Now to what people come here for? One hundred men
Speaker 2: versus one gorilla demonse? Finally, snap judgment, because I don't
Speaker 2: think this is a hard question.
Speaker 3: I think it's one hundred men easily. But that's what
Speaker 3: I've been telling. That's my take on I think I
Speaker 3: think fifty.
Speaker 1: Probably demonse easily. Yeah's one hundred men.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing now, I thought van Lathan had the
Speaker 2: funniest content on this, and I didn't even consume the content.
Speaker 2: I just saw the tweet. But I'm gonna van Lathan
Speaker 2: had a whiteboard.
Speaker 3: Have you seen this, demanse Uh, I've not seen it.
Speaker 2: I'm texting it to you right now. I'm gonna text
Speaker 2: it to our group chat. I don't know if we
Speaker 2: can put it up there or not.
Speaker 1: I should have told the producers before.
Speaker 2: But he's holding a whiteboard, shout out Van Lathan, who
Speaker 2: I don't know but does good stuff.
Speaker 1: So there it is. He's holding a white It.
Speaker 2: Says one hundred versus gorilla, and then parenthetical wild average
Speaker 2: size six feet, four hundred pounds, brolic all underlined. It
Speaker 2: then has a picture of the gorilla and it would
Speaker 2: appear he has circled its weak spots, head, skull, brain, throat, neck, chest, heart, lungs, knees,
Speaker 2: and it looks like it's got his fingers. So he
Speaker 2: has broken this down into five waves. Wave one meat
Speaker 2: sacks parenthetical Vince will forks three hundred poundersynthetical bloody mess.
Speaker 2: Wave two runners parenthetical Noah Lyles's uh sidebar disorient him.
Speaker 2: Wave three light brutes for arm kicking. Wave four heavy
Speaker 2: brutes for sapping the energy parenthetical Aaron Donald. Wave five
Speaker 2: finishers vital striking throat neck parenthetical John Jones. Then at
Speaker 2: the bottom in a box, some will die.
Speaker 3: And so here's.
Speaker 2: The deal, and this is and Van nailed it. And
Speaker 2: this is why this conversation is so ridiculous if it
Speaker 2: is understood, guys, the first and hit he had a
Speaker 2: real strategy. I don't even think you need a real
Speaker 2: strategy that would be the best way to.
Speaker 1: Go about it.
Speaker 2: But if the if you have one hundred adult men
Speaker 2: and everyone understands it's like the old World War One
Speaker 2: movies where deserters will be shot. You can only go
Speaker 2: in one direction, and the guys at the front understand
Speaker 2: I'm probably dying. This thing is not that difficult if
Speaker 2: the every like the it just the overwhelming numbers of
Speaker 2: it make it so clear to where if truly no
Speaker 2: one abandoned ship on this this can be done in
Speaker 2: relative quick order because of the overall weight and mass.
Speaker 2: The reason is such a unique and fun topic is
Speaker 2: while one hundred humans is obviously the right answer from
Speaker 2: any sinem emulation standpoint or any standpoint where you get
Speaker 2: the fake theoretical world that no one abandoned ship, in reality,
Speaker 2: no one hundred humans versus one gorilla would end shortly
Speaker 2: like this. The first couple guys get an arm ripped off,
Speaker 2: three of your first wave feints, another couple wet themselves
Speaker 2: or defecate on themselves. A few start trying to actually
Speaker 2: team up with the gorilla where you're like pushing him
Speaker 2: into them, and then you have mutiny, Mayheim disorientation, and
Speaker 2: what you end up with is like six or seven
Speaker 2: dead guys, some injuries, and guys faking their death and
Speaker 2: people scattered running everywhere. That's how it really goes.
Speaker 1: But if you're.
Speaker 2: Asking if you can guarantee everyone is locked in on
Speaker 2: the goal, you can take the gorilla out quickly and honestly.
Speaker 1: If you attack simultaneously minimal death. The problem is.
Speaker 2: Who's going to be the guy that's like, all right,
Speaker 2: short straw, here, I guess not only am I dying,
Speaker 2: but I'm dying at the hands of a gorilla, and
Speaker 2: so that's the I. I don't think this is a debate.
Speaker 2: I know I'm right, and that's how it would go. So,
Speaker 2: as the kids say, find you a podcast that can
Speaker 2: do both some very smart non political political commentary and
Speaker 2: then the only true breakdown using real world factors of
Speaker 2: one gorilla versus one hundred men.
Speaker 3: This one.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think I would like it either, However I
Speaker 2: found it so it was a fun thought exercise. I
Speaker 2: also loved when Dragonfly Jones and le Jethro Jenkins Great
Speaker 2: Pod used to be on the volume.
Speaker 1: When they did their beast Bracket. Did you ever see that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: So let me let me try to pull it up real.
Speaker 3: Quick, one hundred men versus a grizzly bear, though it's
Speaker 3: just slightly more complicated.
Speaker 2: More complicated because I don't know where the vulnerabilities are
Speaker 2: and because the grizzly bear has a lot more.
Speaker 1: One shot kills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like the the gorilla doesn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of like I mean, obviously can.
Speaker 3: Strength, and they don't really use their teeth.
Speaker 2: Bears are right, but the polar bears got such a wingspan. Again,
Speaker 2: if the polar bear knew what was up, that's the
Speaker 2: other piece of this. If the like, if the polar
Speaker 2: bear knows I got a hundred guys coming at me eventually,
Speaker 2: and like he's trained for this, he can almost just
Speaker 2: do like a spinning fist with his claws and no
Speaker 2: one can ever touch him. That could be a thousand men,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter because he's so big and can just
Speaker 2: one shot.
Speaker 1: Kill you with the faws.
Speaker 3: Gorilla's three sixty as well too. I don't know if
Speaker 3: like they're actually more equipped to do it three sixty.
Speaker 1: Yes, but they don't.
Speaker 2: But again, the three sixty ends usually with like a
Speaker 2: brutal punch in that hand, not all disembowelment and so
Speaker 2: uh okay. Paul just texted in the beast bracket was
Speaker 2: the idea behind the beast bracket was all of these
Speaker 2: things demons have. It's the same weight. So one bison
Speaker 2: versus ten kangaroos. Two tigers against five humans. That's two tigers,
Speaker 2: you know, like the the final four got you down to.
Speaker 2: There's fifty Tasmanian devils against twenty five bobcats. Four lions
Speaker 2: against fifty foxes and they seated them accordingly. Three silver
Speaker 2: back guerrillas against two hundred roosters, like these are the things.
Speaker 2: But I think the final four for this ended up
Speaker 2: being two tigers against one polar bear.
Speaker 3: Who you got two tigers against a polar bear. I'll
Speaker 3: go with the I'll go with the polar bear me too.
Speaker 2: Other side of the bracket, eight jaguars against four lions, well,
Speaker 2: hold on Sweet sixteen matchup. Four lions against ten wolves.
Speaker 2: I don't know wolfs four lives, yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: eight jaguars, I'm not sure, all right. I think this
Speaker 2: was the toughest one. Two Grizzlies against three Silverbacks.
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Grizzlies. The coats on the Grizzlies are
Speaker 3: just impenetrable and the yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, by the way, the shout out Dragonfly Jones,
Speaker 2: Jethrow Jenkins, great job, that's content from them.
Speaker 1: A year ago.
Speaker 2: I was super into that. I really enjoyed that bracket thing. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it was great.
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