Speaker 1: Class Action is a production of I Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: Sound Argument. This has happened more than once in my life.
Speaker 1: By the way I mean this has happened many times
Speaker 1: is growing up. My father got arrested in Dade County,
Speaker 1: Florida by the Sheriff's apartment because he didn't speak English
Speaker 1: well enough for the deputy to understand him. And he
Speaker 1: said that he said, the reason why the arrested my
Speaker 1: father was because he didn't understand him. That was the reason.
Speaker 1: On the day that I graduated from law school, I
Speaker 1: was my class speaker. We had run out of time.
Speaker 1: We were supposed to go to a lunch. We never
Speaker 1: made it to the lunch. My kids hadn't eaton and
Speaker 1: now we have to go to the convention Center for
Speaker 1: the university wide graduation. So we walked down to the
Speaker 1: Convention Center in Baltimore, and we walked to a Burger
Speaker 1: King that was between the law school and there. And
Speaker 1: remember my mother. I could hear my mother at the
Speaker 1: counter or trying to order, and this woman at the counter,
Speaker 1: I could hear her say, hey, bitch, if you can't
Speaker 1: speak English, get out of my fucking line. The most
Speaker 1: important day of my life is my mother witnessing me
Speaker 1: graduated from law school and on that day I still
Speaker 1: had to hear that that and events like that really
Speaker 1: drive me and you don't forget them. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why I'm driven to come to a school like this,
Speaker 1: which is a school that has a lot of kids
Speaker 1: who are like me. We're back with our St. Mary's
Speaker 1: University team in San Antonio, Andy Viscarra, Jasmine Olegaene Mariella
Speaker 1: and Sinas and Cold Dobbula. They are the first to
Speaker 1: admit they beat themselves in their last competition. But today
Speaker 1: is a new day. YEAHI This is Ajlunam, the Assistant
Speaker 1: Dean of Advocacy at St. Mary's University School of Law.
Speaker 1: So right now we're at the pre day or we
Speaker 1: want our team to be together for bonding and focus.
Speaker 1: It's where we come together, where you have a drink,
Speaker 1: where you have a nice meal, and you you get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to bond. I'm feeling really good today. Every
Speaker 1: I feel like we got out our nerves during Battle
Speaker 1: of Experts. We really saw we need to improve on
Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna do God willing pretty good. Mary's. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't really add to that, we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: do good. We all know what we're doing. I gotta
Speaker 1: do it well. You never even get nervous. Nervous show it.
Speaker 1: I know how to keep that look at him. I
Speaker 1: can do that. I got anxiety. I learned that. I
Speaker 1: learned how to that a long time ago. This is
Speaker 1: class action and I'm Katie Fang. This is episode seven.
Speaker 1: Don't mess with Texas. So let me set this up.
Speaker 1: The best in Texas competition is going to be all
Speaker 1: Texas schools. There's ten law schools in the great state
Speaker 1: of Texas, Texas. A and M, Texas Tech and St.
Speaker 1: Mary's are putting it together so that all the schools
Speaker 1: in Texas can't compete. And so what we did is
Speaker 1: we said we want this group of four people who
Speaker 1: had this great experience at a well run tournament but
Speaker 1: a bad outcome. The difference though, is that we're gonna
Speaker 1: have Mariella instead of just playing a witness, she earned
Speaker 1: the right to pick up an advocate spot. So she's
Speaker 1: going to be the closer on the plaintiff side of
Speaker 1: the case. And that's a lot of responsibility. We're giving
Speaker 1: it too. Well, in her first competition, but we want
Speaker 1: to give her that. We think she's earned it something
Speaker 1: else in my life. I am freaking out a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little bit, but I'll be fine. Wait, why
Speaker 1: I am one because it's my first competition where I'm
Speaker 1: actually competing as an advocate Brianna. Plus it's seven different
Speaker 1: memes of how stress she was last night. Everyone still
Speaker 1: on top of it. We bounced back from boeing, We're
Speaker 1: going well. They kept us together, thankfully. Um, so we
Speaker 1: all know how each other works. This is a civil case.
Speaker 1: So Cole and I are the defense and Mariella and
Speaker 1: Jasmine are the plaintase. The case is pretty short and sweet,
Speaker 1: like very very short, like my witness and the person
Speaker 1: that I'm crossing, Like it's two pages double space of
Speaker 1: their statement. So it's like, okay, it's really just how
Speaker 1: you're going to argue the stuff. There's not a whole
Speaker 1: lot of facts. They're just working with what you got,
Speaker 1: your honor. We do not intend to go into damages
Speaker 1: during today's trial. We will not going to go into
Speaker 1: any emotional or monetary damn. It is we are burden
Speaker 1: today is to prove that Mr Williams suffered a permanent injury,
Speaker 1: that being quadriplegia, ex quadriplegia. What are you saying? Quadriplegia?
Speaker 1: But that's like not a real air. You need to
Speaker 1: remind me that. Okay, say again, quadriplegia, quadriplegia, quadriplegia. Why
Speaker 1: did you tell me this four weeks ago? Because I
Speaker 1: thought you knew. I thought even that's just the way
Speaker 1: you said it, quadriplegia, quadriplegia, quadriplegia. Okay, Mr Williams suffers
Speaker 1: from quadriplegia. Are expert today will explain what Williams is
Speaker 1: a quadriplegic. You don't pronounce that. I know. Our expert
Speaker 1: witness today will explain what quadriplegia is and how Mr
Speaker 1: Williams said is what quadriplegia is, and how Mr Williams
Speaker 1: suffering suffers from it. My name is Andy Viscara. You
Speaker 1: catch my mom on a dacious made me shall command
Speaker 1: and I'm a three. I'll here at St. Mary's and
Speaker 1: yeah I'm trial team captain. Law school is like a
Speaker 1: very competitive place full of very competitive people individually. So
Speaker 1: take the pandemic out of it, and you're already dealing
Speaker 1: with like how do you get people to put the
Speaker 1: team over themselves in their own personal ambitions? How do
Speaker 1: you get them to see that the team is more
Speaker 1: important than that, and like if they thrive, I thrive,
Speaker 1: and if I thrive, they thrive. We are practicing. We
Speaker 1: need to get through cold opening your posing counsel. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, the jury, please accord our circumstances determine our conditions.
Speaker 1: The decisions that we make at any given moment can
Speaker 1: change our lives for better or for worse. When things
Speaker 1: go bad for us, we try and look back at
Speaker 1: what happened, try and justify our actions, try and justify
Speaker 1: our decisions. But the fact is hindsize and that is
Speaker 1: what's happening in today's case. Chris Williams, the plaintiff. It's
Speaker 1: looking back at what happened, trying to explain things, trying
Speaker 1: to explain away his own actions that led to his injuries. Right,
Speaker 1: what you're doing is really really good. I want you
Speaker 1: to go back to what you said, and that's what's
Speaker 1: happening today's case. To go back to that part. Okay,
Speaker 1: you said, next, that's what's happening sday's case softer. Okay,
Speaker 1: try it. That's what's happening today's case. Paul's a little
Speaker 1: bit softer. Chris Williams, He's trying to re tell the
Speaker 1: story of what actually strong. At this point in the season,
Speaker 1: the team has spent more time with each other than
Speaker 1: with their own families. They've developed a kind of sibling dynamic.
Speaker 1: Andy's the big, bossy sister, Jasmine the moody middle child,
Speaker 1: Mariella is the smart little sister, and Cole, well, he's
Speaker 1: the serious brother. I tend to be much more straightforward,
Speaker 1: kind of head through the wall kind of thing, rather
Speaker 1: than being creative about it, whereas Andy would be much
Speaker 1: more creative, much more artistic. And so I've learned how to,
Speaker 1: i guess, get in touch more of my personality and
Speaker 1: not hiding in as much. Same thing with Jasmine. Jasmine
Speaker 1: kind of I think a middle ground between me and
Speaker 1: Andy in terms of how outgoing we are. Just hanging
Speaker 1: around them has taught me how to show myself a
Speaker 1: bit more um whenever I've always been much more reserved
Speaker 1: and private. I'm starting to notice that I'm picking up
Speaker 1: some of Andy's mannerisms just in life, but just hanging
Speaker 1: out with her from so much, but I'm really thankful
Speaker 1: for that opportunity just because I feel like it did
Speaker 1: help me in the courtroom. I definitely know I've come
Speaker 1: a long way. I felt a lot more comfortable in
Speaker 1: front of that witness stand doing my cross examination specifically
Speaker 1: than I did in the summer. Yeah, Tuesday, we had
Speaker 1: a practice and Andy was like, y'all need to be
Speaker 1: off paper for your directs and like we actually could
Speaker 1: do it. I was like, okay, like cool, like we
Speaker 1: can do this, like it's not not crazy. I think
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I've learned from both Cool and
Speaker 1: Jasmine one was like I think I thought I knew
Speaker 1: how to lead before I even became captain, and then
Speaker 1: you do, and then you're given this new team with
Speaker 1: these people that you've never worked with before, and you're like,
Speaker 1: how do I do it? Do I do it? Like this?
Speaker 1: Do I am? I? Heart? Am? I mean? But you know,
Speaker 1: like how do I get the outcome that I want?
Speaker 1: How do I be effective and pull us all together?
Speaker 1: And this is my desk. I just kind of a
Speaker 1: mess right now. You caught me in a moment, So
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of post it notes, every kind
Speaker 1: of post it note that you can imagine I have it,
Speaker 1: lots of different type of pens, lots of highlighters. Oh,
Speaker 1: we've got a little fake little gavel. This is the
Speaker 1: firm that I've interned at this summer. It's the Rosenblat
Speaker 1: Law Firm here in San Antonio. And this is where
Speaker 1: everyone's hiding. I have the podcast mind where everyone this
Speaker 1: is Carrie in a Leanna and carry but not spilled
Speaker 1: the same way. And Melissa right while we have you all.
Speaker 1: How is Andy Doon? She's amazing personally, they're like under dressed,
Speaker 1: They're like, what do we say? From what I hear?
Speaker 1: Work wise, she's given amazing job, but then personality wise
Speaker 1: we would tiger every day. For sure. She's already done
Speaker 1: a deposition that she handled, prepared for and did the
Speaker 1: question and she does quite a bit of a lot
Speaker 1: of the discovery work and near you search for the
Speaker 1: litigation team. So she's done a good job. It's we're
Speaker 1: in the worm. This is one of my favorite rooms.
Speaker 1: So on the wall, we've got all different kinds of
Speaker 1: maps of Texas and the US. What used to do
Speaker 1: Mexico so Texas slash the northern part of Mexico. I
Speaker 1: love telling people fun facts about Texas because a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know it. So yeah, Texas has been
Speaker 1: under six different flags. First it was under Spanish, French, Mexican,
Speaker 1: let's see confederacy, it's republic, and then the US. I
Speaker 1: think I'm a lot more calm here, which is weird.
Speaker 1: The weight is not that the way at school isn't real,
Speaker 1: but here it's like, these are real people, real cases,
Speaker 1: real money on the line, um, real people with real
Speaker 1: stories and real problems. Andy started for US right March
Speaker 1: March this year. Jennifer Belden Rosenblatt is a partner at
Speaker 1: the firm and Andy's supervising attorney. I want a job
Speaker 1: for her job on the spot. It is very rare
Speaker 1: to find somebody with the composure to be able to
Speaker 1: think ahead to the next question and to be able
Speaker 1: to catch your breath when somebody's attacking you. Andy has
Speaker 1: that ability. I came out of law school and went
Speaker 1: directly to being a prosecutor. There is something about prosecution
Speaker 1: that is different than any other field. We call it
Speaker 1: getting your courtroom legs. So I asked her, what's your plan?
Speaker 1: And I want her to go work for the d
Speaker 1: a's office because i want her to have that experience.
Speaker 1: But I'm only going to let her go if she
Speaker 1: swears she's coming back, and otherwise I'm going to make
Speaker 1: sure she doesn't get a job at any DA's office
Speaker 1: in the in the surrounding two d square miles, and
Speaker 1: I'll just apologize to her mom. So I just have
Speaker 1: to move back in with you. You should love that.
Speaker 1: In Sanaton, you com Today is the Mexican Independence Day.
Speaker 1: We celebrate um September fifteen. At night, you say, we
Speaker 1: say we call it a grito because at Sena Club
Speaker 1: we shout, we scream out phrase va machico and up,
Speaker 1: which I will. I'm not saying you the one that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it later on tonight after the mariatilis. I
Speaker 1: think it's important to celebrate your heritage and your roots
Speaker 1: kind of where you come from, you know, and never
Speaker 1: forgetting like the sacrifices that my parents specifically made to
Speaker 1: get us here to the United States to live a
Speaker 1: better life, you know. And even though we're proud of Americans,
Speaker 1: at the same time, we're also our heritage. We're proud
Speaker 1: of it as well, you know. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what's very important about abady. You're almost like this, m hm.
Speaker 1: That is the technical, correct way of doing it. Are
Speaker 1: you ready for the incorrect, non technical way to do it?
Speaker 1: Are you guys ready to handle that to say, yes,
Speaker 1: what's your birthday? I didn't like getting food stamps. I
Speaker 1: didn't like getting government food. I didn't like being laughed
Speaker 1: at by others. I mean we were poor. I got
Speaker 1: a full time job working sixty hours a week. At
Speaker 1: me I'm on a restaurant for one dollar an hour.
Speaker 1: When I was twelve years old, all that entire sixty
Speaker 1: dollars went to my house doing it wrong, silly, right, silly.
Speaker 1: In order to do it wrong, you have to be
Speaker 1: able to do it right. But well, you don't want
Speaker 1: is you don't want to be called out by a judge.
Speaker 1: As you progress, as you start practicing in front of judges,
Speaker 1: judges are going to know that you know how to
Speaker 1: do it. So what are they gonna do. They're gonna
Speaker 1: give you a little bit more leeway each time because
Speaker 1: we want to get to the good stuff. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I want to You had asked me about my connection here.
Speaker 1: If we really take our time and teach people properly,
Speaker 1: then those people like me and my family the way
Speaker 1: that I grew up, we'd have better representation because there
Speaker 1: would be people out there that will be able to
Speaker 1: do it. So when I came here to this school
Speaker 1: to visit it, when they were looking for the avocacy director,
Speaker 1: and I took a look around and I saw what
Speaker 1: was here, it reminded me of home. It reminded me
Speaker 1: of my childhood. Okay, I think I'm sharing screen now?
Speaker 1: Is that right ahead? And not? Or two would be great?
Speaker 1: It is great, Thank you. Inside his office at St. Mary's,
Speaker 1: coach A J. Balita de Luna is doing double duty.
Speaker 1: He's keeping an eye on his team and running the tournament.
Speaker 1: Right before the round starts, a J briefs the judges,
Speaker 1: this is important the competition season, it's had some issues
Speaker 1: and we need to mention this. And I hate mentioning it,
Speaker 1: but we need to. And those are your subconscious biases
Speaker 1: against the competitors for race, gender, ethnicity, religion, age, None
Speaker 1: of that should play a role in any of the
Speaker 1: the arguments or in you're scoring. And be cognizant of
Speaker 1: what you are communicating and how you are communicating with students.
Speaker 1: So three weeks ago, we're at a tournament and a
Speaker 1: judge said, I want to talk to the black girl. Now,
Speaker 1: that's highly highly inappropriate to bring out her race and
Speaker 1: to call a woman a girl, not by her name.
Speaker 1: All of you have your name. All of our advocates
Speaker 1: are going to have their name. If you want to
Speaker 1: give comments to an advocate, call them by their name.
Speaker 1: You might want to say, or their role. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to the opener or the closer, but anything
Speaker 1: like that is highly inappropriate. And then we had another
Speaker 1: judge who said, the glasses that you're wearing make your
Speaker 1: eyes look so pretty. That's also inappropriate. The only comments
Speaker 1: that should be made to any of these advocates should
Speaker 1: be on their advocacy. That's it. Nothing else. Now, I
Speaker 1: will say, as leaders in our field, you might see
Speaker 1: something racism is not that it's alive and well, these
Speaker 1: are issues that these UM young ladies and others are
Speaker 1: going to have to deal with for their entire lives
Speaker 1: until UM racism dies in this country. The best of
Speaker 1: Texas ground one. If I can have all of the
Speaker 1: judges and competitors please turn to cameras on so we
Speaker 1: can just do a great conflict check and witnesses to
Speaker 1: judges and competitors. Does anyone looks familiar to be That's
Speaker 1: a many either. Thank you, so I believe you can
Speaker 1: be gad. This is a civil trial. Chris Williams was
Speaker 1: a star athlete who went to a rock concert, was
Speaker 1: thrown to the ground by security staff, and is now
Speaker 1: paralyzed from the neck down, Your honor posing counsel, Lady
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, the jury made police accord I. Our circumstances
Speaker 1: determine our conditions. The decisions we make at any given
Speaker 1: moment in our lives forever altered the course of our life,
Speaker 1: for better or for worse. When things go wrong for us,
Speaker 1: we try and look back through rose colored lenses to
Speaker 1: try and justify what happened, to try and explain away
Speaker 1: the reasonings and things that led to our current condition.
Speaker 1: We try and blame others for our wrongs, for our
Speaker 1: own negligence. That is what is going on today. That
Speaker 1: is what the plaintiffs are trying to do. Chris Williams,
Speaker 1: the plaintiff. Later in the round, Andy grills the plaintiff,
Speaker 1: getting her to admit that she knew her actions had consequences,
Speaker 1: all right, Siliam so you knew that getting into that
Speaker 1: mosh pit coul jeopardize your lacross carew but you did
Speaker 1: it anyway, and you didn't stop there. The second song
Speaker 1: to more Cowbell came on, and something came over you.
Speaker 1: And when that's something, when that song came over you,
Speaker 1: you decided to jump on the group of strangers nearby. Yes,
Speaker 1: now you don't know if you hurt these people as
Speaker 1: you jumped on them. We originally thought it was a
Speaker 1: plaintiffs case. And then Cole and I really hit the
Speaker 1: defense pretty hard. The plaintiffide is having a little bit
Speaker 1: more trouble than we thought they would. Hello, So look,
Speaker 1: I mean, all on, go around for us. You can
Speaker 1: fix that love thing. Yeah, if you want to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's a little thing, but it means these
Speaker 1: are tribal weird, right. They want us to be that
Speaker 1: sharpness right, yeah, so let's get that sharpness thing there.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's that's okay, right,
Speaker 1: we can up make this. So we're at Free that
Speaker 1: Free That Mexican restaurant and bars the full name. This
Speaker 1: is my parents restaurant that we are all super proud of.
Speaker 1: We opened during COVID because it was either open and
Speaker 1: lose money or stay closed and lose money. I'm still
Speaker 1: a server here when I'm not in school and not
Speaker 1: fully employed. That they might laugh, but they will agree
Speaker 1: with me. I think I was the perfect kid, not
Speaker 1: perfect like you know kids mess up and stuff, but
Speaker 1: I was. I was a golden child. I never stepped
Speaker 1: out of line, and if I stepped like half a
Speaker 1: to out of line, it was like right back in. Um,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really a rule breaker. I wasn't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's like a child of immigrants thing. There's
Speaker 1: a million questions about identity that I'm hyper aware of
Speaker 1: that I go through my head all the time. Do
Speaker 1: I have my two white? Um? Should I be more Mexican?
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, no, I am Mexican, Like I
Speaker 1: don't have to be more anything. Senior year of college,
Speaker 1: I was kind of having an identity crisis of like
Speaker 1: going back to Texas. I don't know why I got
Speaker 1: into my head that I needed to look more Mexican.
Speaker 1: So I dyed my hair dark brown, similar to like
Speaker 1: my mom's hair color, and I hated it. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, I chopped it off and I tried to
Speaker 1: wear more greens and color. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have if you get a chance to see my mom,
Speaker 1: Like she's this brown woman with like black wavy hair,
Speaker 1: and you know, she's got all these bracelets and she's
Speaker 1: always dressed in colorful things from head to do. So
Speaker 1: I was just like, maybe I'm not embracing who I am.
Speaker 1: Maybe like I need to do it. And it just
Speaker 1: felt wrong and it was like, oh my god, am
Speaker 1: I you know, do I hate my culture? It's like no, no, no, no, stop.
Speaker 1: It's an overthinking game. Always yes yes and sandro yes cock. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is us, Oh, there's my down comes us. Listen.
Speaker 1: This is the blue room. That when is the rosroom? Okay,
Speaker 1: and the capacity is like three hundred and fifty people,
Speaker 1: it's ten thousand square feet. Yeah. This is the front
Speaker 1: of the kitchen line the line. Yeah. But we have
Speaker 1: the prep team and the money, so the rest of
Speaker 1: the team they come up for a clock. The thing
Speaker 1: with Mexico as depends where you go. Every estate they
Speaker 1: got a particular food. But if you go to the state,
Speaker 1: the little town, they got it even something especial. You're like,
Speaker 1: you never find anywhere house. So we have this uncle
Speaker 1: who he like not my blood, but he's from like
Speaker 1: the Pacific coast. He's from us Atlanta, And I mean
Speaker 1: I've been ever in Mexico. Mexico's the most phenomenal in
Speaker 1: the world a number, but I have never eaten aguachils
Speaker 1: like is that he makes because like it's like he's
Speaker 1: from the coast. He's from there. He's from this little
Speaker 1: town and his grandma taught it to make him a
Speaker 1: certain way. And it's like it's crazy this traffic cake tonight.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, I feel like I got my goal.
Speaker 1: You know with her, you're not like completely yeah, he
Speaker 1: said that, it's like seeing my goal come true. My
Speaker 1: goal as a father has always been for her to
Speaker 1: like to be on her own two feet, to finally
Speaker 1: get her title as a lawyer. Like it's that's the
Speaker 1: end goal. That's it. That's the only thing I wanted
Speaker 1: as a father, And like that's the most important thing
Speaker 1: for parents everywhere, I think, is to see your child
Speaker 1: through to that. Not only the goal, but my dream,
Speaker 1: you know, like this hard you know, and this war
Speaker 1: and this country or wherever you go, Like the kids
Speaker 1: finished the school. I mean, I got a lot of
Speaker 1: family in the United States, and most of them, the
Speaker 1: young people of my family, they don't not even finish
Speaker 1: her school for some other reason. And that's important, and
Speaker 1: oh I feel proud of that, you know. But it's
Speaker 1: it's not easy. It's it's hard sometimes. But just Camino,
Speaker 1: you're up in the end of El Camino, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you catch that. I'm proud. In English,
Speaker 1: as we all are back. He was like, in America,
Speaker 1: if you work hard enough, you can do anything, which
Speaker 1: is something that he's told me since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he says, like, that's why I
Speaker 1: tell my girls, like, if you work hard enough, you
Speaker 1: can do anything here. It's different over there. You can't.
Speaker 1: That's not the same. You know, you can work as
Speaker 1: hard as a dog there for years, your whole life
Speaker 1: and not get anything. That's you know, that's the beauty
Speaker 1: of America. You know. He's like, sometimes, you know, the
Speaker 1: path isn't easy, you know, He's like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's easy. Sometimes you get it's really really hard, but
Speaker 1: you just stick to it. You know, you stick to
Speaker 1: it until you get to where you're going. And sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't know where you're going, but if you keep
Speaker 1: working hard, it will become clear and you just have
Speaker 1: to have a lot of determination and a lot of
Speaker 1: hard work. Come on, Noms and it stills the Neils.
Speaker 1: But in Mexico than the in he said. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: first of all, like, yes, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: discrimination here in the US. Um He's like, but don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, there's discrimination everywhere. But that being said,
Speaker 1: there is a lot here that I've experienced. And so
Speaker 1: raising a girl like my wife as well as I like,
Speaker 1: I tried to teach them not only you know, to
Speaker 1: not be that way and to you know, respect people
Speaker 1: and to be the opposite of those people that do
Speaker 1: discriminate against us, but also at the same time to
Speaker 1: be very weary of those people, because you know, one
Speaker 1: thing is an insult, the other thing is that they
Speaker 1: could be very dangerous. The scores come in. St. Mary's
Speaker 1: is going into the next round against Baylor. It's always
Speaker 1: some Baylor in the end. Always they're like our arch nemesis.
Speaker 1: With one win already under their belts, the team is
Speaker 1: feeling fresh. In the upcoming round. Jasmine and Mariella will
Speaker 1: argue for the plaintiff, while Andy and Cole will act
Speaker 1: as witnesses. You know how to use some ice, you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: we again, let's get always ready. Remember all of the
Speaker 1: steps as impeachment, you made statement, you were telling the truth,
Speaker 1: you were complete, you were accurate, you were truthful, and
Speaker 1: you'll know all these things. But you know how we forget.
Speaker 1: I'm just like a running the through you. We need
Speaker 1: to break this curse of it's been like, even when
Speaker 1: we're really good and we get to semifinals, or even
Speaker 1: when we get two finals, you always lose to Baylor.
Speaker 1: If they could win this round, right, if they come
Speaker 1: out victory in this round, then it's leave your advocacy alone.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about these little things and figure out why
Speaker 1: they're happening. Once you reach a certain standard, you can
Speaker 1: maintain that standard. And we just haven't reached that standard yet.
Speaker 1: We're still growing and I don't know when it's going
Speaker 1: to happen, but you know it is happening for us.
Speaker 1: We are getting better and we'll continue to get better.
Speaker 1: We love you, love it, June, right right, Okay. In
Speaker 1: another room in San Antonio, this one a living room,
Speaker 1: Jasmine's parents are glued to their computer screen, watching their daughters. Opening.
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, your honor. My name is Jasmine Gene and I,
Speaker 1: along with my co counsel Mariola and Sinnis, represent the plaintiff,
Speaker 1: Mr Chris Williams. Yes, let's time to do a real
Speaker 1: good tim She's always been very, very motivated on on
Speaker 1: this criminal thing since the third grade. And she was
Speaker 1: asked what she wanted to do is major, and she said,
Speaker 1: I want to be a criminal lawyer. Always. She hasn't
Speaker 1: a blood as far as being that career as your parents.
Speaker 1: We're kind of like surprise and shot the she wants
Speaker 1: something like that. I always thought she was going to
Speaker 1: be a professor of university or somewhere. Don't let them
Speaker 1: get you first. I didn't know that those were the
Speaker 1: words that Officer Lavelle lived by. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: those were the words that Officer Lavelle preached to the
Speaker 1: members of his own security team. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: when I went to all them pavilion that day. The
Speaker 1: opening is innovative, powerful. It's written from the plaintiffs point
Speaker 1: of view. The judges imagine being Chris Williams, a victim
Speaker 1: of violence by security guards that left him paralyzed. They
Speaker 1: picked me up and they slam my head onto the
Speaker 1: pavement and I can just hear and feel the bones
Speaker 1: of my neck breaking. And they picked me up one
Speaker 1: more time. I just filled my head rock and I
Speaker 1: can't feel my body. I can't feel anything. They dropped
Speaker 1: me into a puddle of mud and they walk away.
Speaker 1: And the last thing I remember seeing our pink shirts
Speaker 1: with the word security on them. This is the first
Speaker 1: day as a quadriplegic. We will ask that you find
Speaker 1: the only just verdict. To find them. She's a beautiful
Speaker 1: girl and she loves she plays. Then Mariella steps into
Speaker 1: the role of being an advocate for her first mock
Speaker 1: trial ever. She's cross examining a witness. Now, Dr Hatch,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you think about something that
Speaker 1: we can't agree on. We can agree that Chris has
Speaker 1: stained his injuries, one sir, and he sustained those injuries
Speaker 1: while being escorted out of the pavilion. Certainly, yes, being
Speaker 1: escorted out by the security team at Alden Pavilion. Yes,
Speaker 1: now solid solid, She looks strong. Were in the last
Speaker 1: people you remember being nine? She's been looking nervous in practice, right,
Speaker 1: but look at her. She looks like she's been here before.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Dr Hatch. That one possible way of raising
Speaker 1: his head. That's consistent with Chris William's version of the story. Um.
Speaker 1: That well, the theoretical possibility. Yes, I see somebody who
Speaker 1: is blossoming right in front of our eyes. They put
Speaker 1: his arms behind his back and they slammed his head
Speaker 1: head first into the pavement. And that is Chris felt it.
Speaker 1: The bones in his neck break and he yelled at them,
Speaker 1: trying to tell them that they had hurt him, but
Speaker 1: they didn't care. They just kept going. Not until they
Speaker 1: felt they had enough did they stop. At which point
Speaker 1: they lifted Chris up and his head fell forward. And
Speaker 1: that's when Chris felt it, this body that he had trained,
Speaker 1: this body that was so full of life just minutes
Speaker 1: before it went completely limp okay, Mariella, Director Chris Williams,
Speaker 1: I thought was was great, and I thought I appreciated
Speaker 1: that you focused on what came out and crossed and
Speaker 1: really kind of came back and hammered that home with
Speaker 1: the redirect. And also, Mariella, I got your final Argumentum
Speaker 1: was terrific. Like the words that were done was captivating, powerful, persuasive, effective,
Speaker 1: like you had me like just watching your every move
Speaker 1: on screen, so I can tell that you put in
Speaker 1: the work, but you weren't reading it. You were actually
Speaker 1: delivering it. And you were like looking into your camera
Speaker 1: and you were really making me believe what you were
Speaker 1: selling me. So I just wanted to commend you on
Speaker 1: that as well. So both of you ladies, good job
Speaker 1: for too plaintive as well. Alright, all the defense side
Speaker 1: real quick. It was a huge adrenaline Rutch walking out
Speaker 1: of there. And then he called me Mike Tyson. I
Speaker 1: mean that in a good way. As a coach. He
Speaker 1: doesn't lie to us. He doesn't sugarcoat a single thing.
Speaker 1: If we're bad, he's gonna tell us we're rad. He's
Speaker 1: gonna help us be better. Knowing that he said that,
Speaker 1: like I did well, I knew for sure that I
Speaker 1: had done well. Back in the tab room, A j
Speaker 1: is seeing the tournament results in real time. WHOA, what
Speaker 1: are the odds of that? Taylor scored ninety three points
Speaker 1: the first round. You scored ninety three points the second round. Interesting,
Speaker 1: That is really interesting. St. Mary's took a ballot which
Speaker 1: puts us at four. Still puts this in front of Baylor,
Speaker 1: which is nice eighty six plus one two, so they're
Speaker 1: guaranteed quarterfinal. They have six ballots. They're kicking, but there's
Speaker 1: short rib tacos and there's ribby tacolers hard parts. And
Speaker 1: we had dinner before we went on to the second day,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I want to talk for like a
Speaker 1: good fifteen minutes. Get business out of the way so
Speaker 1: we can have fun tonight. You, young lady, were amazing today. Okay.
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I was extremely proud
Speaker 1: of you. It was your first clothes, was your first direct,
Speaker 1: it was your first cross and you looked the part
Speaker 1: the entire time. All right, I need you to keep
Speaker 1: doing that. So we're in third place. How often do
Speaker 1: I tell you how we're doing? Never? Never, we're in
Speaker 1: third place. You all need to step up. She needs you.
Speaker 1: We're not expecting Mariella to be up here with you.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, you weren't up here. Your advocacy
Speaker 1: is fantastic. The words that you're using, the delivery, all
Speaker 1: of that is fantastic. I wouldn't change a single word
Speaker 1: that you did today. What if I've been complaining with
Speaker 1: you guys from BOE But the errors, the unforced right,
Speaker 1: you had you were today, but you should have stomped
Speaker 1: those teams. So we're in third. We're in a good position, right,
Speaker 1: we are totally in control of our destiny. We're and
Speaker 1: we're in quarterfinals? Is not good enough for you? It's
Speaker 1: not when and we're in Okay, we could be the
Speaker 1: two seed tomorrow, which puts us in a great position
Speaker 1: to get into semifinals. And then it's a new game,
Speaker 1: so you gotta be hungry for it as a team,
Speaker 1: not as an individual. As a team. So I had
Speaker 1: a lot of clothes. You gotta have fun. None of
Speaker 1: this is worth that if you're not having fun. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see. It's great bread, it's not fund The next day,
Speaker 1: heading into the quarterfinals, Jasmine and mari Yella represent the
Speaker 1: plaintiff again, they're feeling loose, confident, they're having fun. I
Speaker 1: gotta be sure I could do this for the team,
Speaker 1: for all the women, all the Mexicans out there. I
Speaker 1: got ya on this one. This is it. This is
Speaker 1: all people did. But leaving you look at lawless. Let
Speaker 1: see you sensify oy or two people want, hey, what's
Speaker 1: up your honor? Playing? Jazzy called me Jas Michael Joshi
Speaker 1: can't better yet a great person, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. This for Chris Williams. Chris Williams is in
Speaker 1: the schoolhouse and you were fighting for him. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: are make your team proud. St Mary's be out here,
Speaker 1: STEMIs this the time of you feel me? Who wore
Speaker 1: the deepest press ever team in my life? Coach? Maybe
Speaker 1: on here your bomb might be on their boyfriends on there,
Speaker 1: may Ella's days on there. This one's for all the
Speaker 1: Mexican handa. This this for the next a game like
Speaker 1: I'm not even mind you, for the next gens, for
Speaker 1: all these people who got here. Let us allowest being
Speaker 1: law school, allowest. People are abou talking to you, Sonia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is for some of the sometime I want practice
Speaker 1: when you preach. This is it the quarterfinal? It's about
Speaker 1: to start. The court is assembling online. What about the plane?
Speaker 1: James hi Flox, Sorry, I'll a plate tiff this year.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that clarification, as I placed him the
Speaker 1: chat and I made the announcing earlier. Please change your
Speaker 1: name to read your role whether you're a plaintiff or
Speaker 1: defense a dash and then your full name. Mariella calls
Speaker 1: her first witness, played by Cole to the stand, what
Speaker 1: happened at the point when you were slammed into the
Speaker 1: ground head first? I could, I can feel and hear
Speaker 1: the bones of my neck breaking. I yelled at a
Speaker 1: stop that they were breaking my neck, but they just
Speaker 1: kept on beating me up. At what point were you injured?
Speaker 1: He cannot testify as to what he was actually injured.
Speaker 1: He cannot diagnose himself. Here, your honor, may I be heard.
Speaker 1: You're right, you're honor. He's testifying to hit his own experience.
Speaker 1: I think he would know when he was unable to
Speaker 1: stop walking and was unable to feel his body, and
Speaker 1: that is the injury that we are here today about,
Speaker 1: is his quadriplegia runs. I'll repeat my question, Chris, at
Speaker 1: what point were you injured? I was injured when the
Speaker 1: security guards of all the pavilion put there and put
Speaker 1: my hands behind my back and slide my head into
Speaker 1: the ground. And Chris, when you got there. Pride were
Speaker 1: in a quarterfinal round and we're doing great. I mean,
Speaker 1: everything seems to be going along just fine. I think
Speaker 1: we're the better team. I think we're performing better teams,
Speaker 1: doing everything that I could possibly ask of them, and
Speaker 1: then this happens. Question for the plaintiffs team, Is there
Speaker 1: only one attorney? Uh? No, they left, there's two. Um,
Speaker 1: we are switching out the names because we have one
Speaker 1: advocate room. But I received the phone call saying, hey,
Speaker 1: the judges are saying that you guys are cheating because
Speaker 1: you have one advocate playing all the roles. I said, no,
Speaker 1: that that isn't true. We have two advocates, we have
Speaker 1: two witnesses. We have two different people doing the two roles.
Speaker 1: So at first when they said it, I, you know,
Speaker 1: I won't say that, I was incredulous. At first when
Speaker 1: it was like, I thought it was a joke. I
Speaker 1: thought it was someone was being trying to be funny,
Speaker 1: you know. And but then I got a second phone
Speaker 1: call and the judges were insisting that we had one
Speaker 1: person performing all of the advocate roles. I said that
Speaker 1: we have two different people up there, once tall, one short,
Speaker 1: ones thin with a long face, one is a little
Speaker 1: heavier with a round face. One is wearing makeup, one's
Speaker 1: just wearing bass. One is wearing a black suit, one
Speaker 1: is wearing a blue suit. And I could see the
Speaker 1: different colors of the suits on the screen. One is
Speaker 1: wearing pearled ear rings. The other one is wearing no
Speaker 1: ear rings. They both have long hair, but one has
Speaker 1: it over their shoulder and the other one has it
Speaker 1: behind they're back. So the only thing that's similar to
Speaker 1: them is that they're both latin Us. They're both brown skinned.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that's similar to them. Other than that,
Speaker 1: it's two completely different people and you can't make them up.
Speaker 1: So and you are miss yes, yes, aneys Well, who
Speaker 1: thinks we're the same? Okay, you're on there. The interruption
Speaker 1: is bizarre. It comes right before Mariella has to deliver
Speaker 1: a lengthy and complex closing argument for the prosecution. No
Speaker 1: one else has had to do this. Mariella, she fights
Speaker 1: through it. Don't let them get you first. The words
Speaker 1: that Joe Lovell lives by, the words that he preaches
Speaker 1: to his fellow security guards, The words spoken by the
Speaker 1: person who was supposed to keep concert goer safe the
Speaker 1: night of June nineteen. Defense wants you to believe that
Speaker 1: Chris struggled, that he was going crazy and resisting, but
Speaker 1: Defense also implies that he could have sustained his injuries
Speaker 1: while crowd surfing or even slam dancing, but nobody else's
Speaker 1: stories aligned with that, even their own expert and hours
Speaker 1: say that the injuries were sustained after he was crowd
Speaker 1: tripping in after he was slam dancing. For that reason, again,
Speaker 1: we asked that you find Alden Pavilion liable for the
Speaker 1: injuries that were sustained by Chris Williams. On June. Thank
Speaker 1: you an yes before you all remove yourselves from the
Speaker 1: room or before we adjourn, rather, can we have the
Speaker 1: team for the play tim We need to verify who
Speaker 1: which one of you all did which portions of the trial,
Speaker 1: So can you yes, your honor sorry, yes, bailiff, so
Speaker 1: I Mario Lancinas did the direct of Chris Williams as
Speaker 1: well as the cross of Dr Hatch and the closing,
Speaker 1: and my co council Jasmine Olgen did the opening, the
Speaker 1: direct of Dr Alvarez and then the cross of Joe
Speaker 1: la Bell. Thank you for that, but also when they're
Speaker 1: like what he would like you, could you kid please
Speaker 1: turn your cameras on and get ready to give these
Speaker 1: teams camera. With a few minutes to spare before the verdict,
Speaker 1: the team drives over to a J's office. By then
Speaker 1: the results would come out. So I called him into
Speaker 1: the conference room and I told them and UM, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you could tell by looking at me, and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the your fans out there, you know,
Speaker 1: don't see my face and the tears are reforming. It's real. Um,
Speaker 1: we did not advance. Um. You know, sometimes you lose
Speaker 1: and you know you wonder if you left it on
Speaker 1: the floor or not. You know, did you leave it
Speaker 1: on the field or you know, you didn't do your
Speaker 1: best or it's it's very upsetting to me. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine how you guys feel, because I know in my
Speaker 1: heart that you guys were not just the better advocates,
Speaker 1: but you were substantially better than the other team. But
Speaker 1: in this case, the same thing happened that happened to
Speaker 1: us in the first round. It went to a tie break,
Speaker 1: and we lost in the tiebreak, which is a really
Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow. That angers me, I know it
Speaker 1: angers you. You You can define that however you want
Speaker 1: to define it. I know how I'm defining it. Did
Speaker 1: that play a role in their final decision? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's it's really upsetting and I'm sorry, but this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time in your life that that's going
Speaker 1: to happen, and it's not going to be the last
Speaker 1: times in your life that's going to happen. There's nothing
Speaker 1: I can do to make it better. So we lost
Speaker 1: that round. We lost that round two to one. You did.
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you something different, but I got
Speaker 1: nothing more to tell you. There's literally nothing we can
Speaker 1: do about that. Nothing rather than I'm sorry. In the
Speaker 1: immediacy of that happening, not really knowing what was going
Speaker 1: on though, what were your thoughts? Honestly, I think the
Speaker 1: part that hurts the most is probably the misidentification. I
Speaker 1: think they're so interconnected, the fact that they thought we
Speaker 1: were cheating because of the misidentification. But the misidentification hurt
Speaker 1: a little more. There's literally no way to train and
Speaker 1: prepare for that. But then later on, when you found
Speaker 1: out that there was this, I mean, I'm I'm beyond
Speaker 1: upset about it. I'm like so impressed with how calm
Speaker 1: you are about this. But Jasmine, in that moment later on,
Speaker 1: when you found out that there was this insinuation, if
Speaker 1: not outright accusation, that you and Mariella had been cheating
Speaker 1: in this round, what was your what was your reaction,
Speaker 1: M upset and heard I think I is really confused,
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of in shock. Everyone else was
Speaker 1: like pretty upset about it. But I couldn't like cry
Speaker 1: right away because I'm like, there's no way that just
Speaker 1: happened like that round yeah, just yeah. Honestly, what I
Speaker 1: take away is it doesn't matter how hard I work,
Speaker 1: how much time or or energy I put into something,
Speaker 1: things like this will still cost me. And it's a
Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow. It's something that you have to learn,
Speaker 1: unfortunately in a predominantly white field that it might affect you.
Speaker 1: Um this sent around it was judges and you're in practice.
Speaker 1: It might be juries. It might be the judge, it
Speaker 1: might be a juror, it might be opposing counsel, it
Speaker 1: might be someone right. It's just this is a hurdle
Speaker 1: that has to be jumped that not everybody's going to
Speaker 1: have to jump with you. Jasmine has that experience at
Speaker 1: best in Texas with do you have a description of
Speaker 1: what you thought happened? I mean, I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: you don't have to agree with me, Jasmine, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like racism to me. It sounds like on a
Speaker 1: good day, some type of implicit bias. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: but has that affected you, Jasmine in any way on
Speaker 1: your outlook on just life, not just on mock trial,
Speaker 1: but luck on life. It definitely has. It makes it
Speaker 1: just makes me scared that that is ever going to
Speaker 1: affect me in the future. When I'm representing a client,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go up there and you know,
Speaker 1: do an open or close and people are listening to
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, What if we have the better case
Speaker 1: and they're instead going to look at me different because
Speaker 1: the way I look like, maybe they're going to look
Speaker 1: at me is less and they're going to see, oh this,
Speaker 1: you know, other attorney superior because color of their skin.
Speaker 1: And that is what scares me. And we've now had
Speaker 1: three teams that are Latino, so I'm proud of what
Speaker 1: we've done there and increasing the diversity of the team.
Speaker 1: We still have room to grow. I'm here to train
Speaker 1: students to be lawyers, and most of these kids are
Speaker 1: going to be lawyers here right here in San Antonio,
Speaker 1: where the color of their skin in a courtroom doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you run down to the courthouse. Right now,
Speaker 1: a great deal of those attorneys or Latino Latina. They're
Speaker 1: not going to face what they faced last weekend here.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, I believe that the world is good. I do.
Speaker 1: I believe that most of our intentions are right. Even
Speaker 1: in this situation. The folks that had our kids go
Speaker 1: through this, I do not doubt for a second that
Speaker 1: they do not think they did anything wrong, that they
Speaker 1: were just clarifying. So what I want them to do
Speaker 1: is I want them to just be strong. I want
Speaker 1: them to continue to work on becoming trial lawyers, to
Speaker 1: represent people that go through what they went through, go
Speaker 1: through it because of their job or their daily life
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that they do. I am not
Speaker 1: preparing competitors. I am preparing lawyers, trial lawyers. I'm preparing
Speaker 1: them for life and the real courtroom. One of lawyers
Speaker 1: in the United States are Latino women. One point three.
Speaker 1: If it's a very small percentage, very small. Our school
Speaker 1: is like Hispanic something seventy eighty, like something crazy above
Speaker 1: the norm in terms of law schools in the United States.
Speaker 1: And then the team, the team itself is like sevent Hispanic.
Speaker 1: So I'm like already, well, like wherever St. Mary's goes,
Speaker 1: our students, the majority of them are Hispanic, and what
Speaker 1: does that say? What does that say to that kid
Speaker 1: that maybe like took out loans and works two jobs
Speaker 1: and you know, takes care of their a wait, that
Speaker 1: like at home and it's really struggling to stay in school.
Speaker 1: But they really should badly want to be an attorney,
Speaker 1: but they go somewhere and they just keep getting knocked down.
Speaker 1: Like what does that say? It's al Grito Mexican Independence
Speaker 1: Day and Andy has come home to Frida, her family's restaurant,
Speaker 1: to celebrate. Lady you Gio. I saw her passion since
Speaker 1: she was in high school, and even before that, she's
Speaker 1: like probably middle school. She was always like such a
Speaker 1: social advocate. She's always like interesting further into what's going
Speaker 1: on in the country, in the world, always loving history,
Speaker 1: always loving like espreading in the world about rights and
Speaker 1: why things should be this way and that way, and
Speaker 1: for the same time expressing why things weren't perfect and
Speaker 1: have been pass in the universe. And you could see
Speaker 1: her joy and her like explosion of like so many
Speaker 1: ideas and so many just you know, passion, but intelligence
Speaker 1: and brightness and good. That's Andy's mom. Rosa Viscara is
Speaker 1: Louise Speranza and her here an here and here positively
Speaker 1: comparative Esperanza Speranza, the lower thank us, yeah, cost there.
Speaker 1: For me, it's important to always celebrate these dates with
Speaker 1: my children as showed them, and remind them that this
Speaker 1: is who you are, and this is where we come from,
Speaker 1: and this is our detory, and you should know who
Speaker 1: it allegories, and you should know what the great represents,
Speaker 1: and you should know what the flag represents, the whole
Speaker 1: history behind it. And because I will just make you
Speaker 1: richer and broader and wise here and more tolerant and
Speaker 1: more understand you know everybody's difference points of view. But
Speaker 1: you know, if you have a strong foundation. I have
Speaker 1: always believed that. I mean, it's like a house, right,
Speaker 1: you have to have a strong foundation so you can
Speaker 1: hold the wind and the hurricanes and everything that comes
Speaker 1: to you. And that comes from family, it comes from history,
Speaker 1: as kids reminded of it. You gotta know what degree is,
Speaker 1: you gotta know what what it means. But it's an
Speaker 1: opportunity to come together. It's an opportunity to let your
Speaker 1: friends to savor the flavors in Mexico. So that's just
Speaker 1: the importance of it. Rest. Now he cannot own Barria
Speaker 1: mor else forties. They do meaner bevign there tomorrows your
Speaker 1: not yea be there you go, you go, Biva you go. Hi.
Speaker 1: My name is Andy the Scara and I had an
Speaker 1: interview with the District Attorney's office today. UM. I thought
Speaker 1: the interview went pretty well. I mean, like I hope. UM.
Speaker 1: I will always like knock on wood when I say that,
Speaker 1: But I mean I think they liked me. I'm feeling
Speaker 1: good this morning. UM going into it like I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm not. But I say, where's the
Speaker 1: nay of the American representation in state government? How many
Speaker 1: cabinet members in state governing a Native Erica? How many
Speaker 1: Native Americans on the circuit court bench throughout the state
Speaker 1: of South Dakota. Then I have a name that's next
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