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Speaker 1: Class Action is a production of I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Sound Argument. This has happened more than once in my life.

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Speaker 1: is growing up. My father got arrested in Dade County,

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Speaker 1: On the day that I graduated from law school, I

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Speaker 1: the university wide graduation. So we walked down to the

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Speaker 1: remember my mother. I could hear my mother at the

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Speaker 1: had to hear that that and events like that really

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm driven to come to a school like this,

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Speaker 1: University team in San Antonio, Andy Viscarra, Jasmine Olegaene Mariella

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Speaker 1: and Sinas and Cold Dobbula. They are the first to

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Speaker 1: admit they beat themselves in their last competition. But today

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Speaker 1: So right now we're at the pre day or we

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Speaker 1: want our team to be together for bonding and focus.

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Speaker 1: It's where we come together, where you have a drink,

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Speaker 1: of Experts. We really saw we need to improve on

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Speaker 1: I can't really add to that, we're gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do good. We all know what we're doing. I gotta

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Speaker 1: learned how to that a long time ago. This is

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Speaker 1: class action and I'm Katie Fang. This is episode seven.

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Speaker 1: Don't mess with Texas. So let me set this up.

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Speaker 1: The best in Texas competition is going to be all

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Speaker 1: Texas schools. There's ten law schools in the great state

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Speaker 1: of Texas, Texas. A and M, Texas Tech and St.

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Speaker 1: Mary's are putting it together so that all the schools

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Speaker 1: we said we want this group of four people who

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Speaker 1: a bad outcome. The difference though, is that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Mariella instead of just playing a witness, she earned

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Speaker 1: else in my life. I am freaking out a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I am one because it's my first competition where I'm

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Speaker 1: actually competing as an advocate Brianna. Plus it's seven different

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Speaker 1: So Cole and I are the defense and Mariella and

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Speaker 1: Jasmine are the plaintase. The case is pretty short and sweet,

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Speaker 1: today is to prove that Mr Williams suffered a permanent injury,

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Speaker 1: that being quadriplegia, ex quadriplegia. What are you saying? Quadriplegia?

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, the jury, please accord our circumstances determine our conditions.

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Speaker 1: With one win already under their belts, the team is

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Speaker 1: feeling fresh. In the upcoming round. Jasmine and Mariella will

425
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: argue for the plaintiff, while Andy and Cole will act

426
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: as witnesses. You know how to use some ice, you know. Okay,

427
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: we again, let's get always ready. Remember all of the

428
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: steps as impeachment, you made statement, you were telling the truth,

429
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: you were complete, you were accurate, you were truthful, and

430
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: you'll know all these things. But you know how we forget.

431
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like a running the through you. We need

432
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: to break this curse of it's been like, even when

433
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: we're really good and we get to semifinals, or even

434
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: when we get two finals, you always lose to Baylor.

435
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: If they could win this round, right, if they come

436
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: out victory in this round, then it's leave your advocacy alone.

437
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Let's talk about these little things and figure out why

438
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: they're happening. Once you reach a certain standard, you can

439
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: maintain that standard. And we just haven't reached that standard yet.

440
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: We're still growing and I don't know when it's going

441
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: to happen, but you know it is happening for us.

442
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: We are getting better and we'll continue to get better.

443
00:28:52,800 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: We love you, love it, June, right right, Okay. In

444
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: another room in San Antonio, this one a living room,

445
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: Jasmine's parents are glued to their computer screen, watching their daughters. Opening.

446
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, your honor. My name is Jasmine Gene and I,

447
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: along with my co counsel Mariola and Sinnis, represent the plaintiff,

448
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Mr Chris Williams. Yes, let's time to do a real

449
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: good tim She's always been very, very motivated on on

450
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: this criminal thing since the third grade. And she was

451
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: asked what she wanted to do is major, and she said,

452
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I want to be a criminal lawyer. Always. She hasn't

453
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: a blood as far as being that career as your parents.

454
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: We're kind of like surprise and shot the she wants

455
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: something like that. I always thought she was going to

456
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: be a professor of university or somewhere. Don't let them

457
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: get you first. I didn't know that those were the

458
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Speaker 1: words that Officer Lavelle lived by. I didn't know that

459
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: those were the words that Officer Lavelle preached to the

460
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 1: members of his own security team. I didn't know that

461
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: when I went to all them pavilion that day. The

462
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: opening is innovative, powerful. It's written from the plaintiffs point

463
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: of view. The judges imagine being Chris Williams, a victim

464
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: of violence by security guards that left him paralyzed. They

465
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: picked me up and they slam my head onto the

466
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: pavement and I can just hear and feel the bones

467
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: of my neck breaking. And they picked me up one

468
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: more time. I just filled my head rock and I

469
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: can't feel my body. I can't feel anything. They dropped

470
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: me into a puddle of mud and they walk away.

471
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: And the last thing I remember seeing our pink shirts

472
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: with the word security on them. This is the first

473
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: day as a quadriplegic. We will ask that you find

474
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: the only just verdict. To find them. She's a beautiful

475
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: girl and she loves she plays. Then Mariella steps into

476
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: the role of being an advocate for her first mock

477
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: trial ever. She's cross examining a witness. Now, Dr Hatch,

478
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you think about something that

479
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: we can't agree on. We can agree that Chris has

480
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: stained his injuries, one sir, and he sustained those injuries

481
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: while being escorted out of the pavilion. Certainly, yes, being

482
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: escorted out by the security team at Alden Pavilion. Yes,

483
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: now solid solid, She looks strong. Were in the last

484
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: people you remember being nine? She's been looking nervous in practice, right,

485
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: but look at her. She looks like she's been here before.

486
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, Dr Hatch. That one possible way of raising

487
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: his head. That's consistent with Chris William's version of the story. Um.

488
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: That well, the theoretical possibility. Yes, I see somebody who

489
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: is blossoming right in front of our eyes. They put

490
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: his arms behind his back and they slammed his head

491
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: head first into the pavement. And that is Chris felt it.

492
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: The bones in his neck break and he yelled at them,

493
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: trying to tell them that they had hurt him, but

494
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: they didn't care. They just kept going. Not until they

495
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: felt they had enough did they stop. At which point

496
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: they lifted Chris up and his head fell forward. And

497
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: that's when Chris felt it, this body that he had trained,

498
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: this body that was so full of life just minutes

499
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: before it went completely limp okay, Mariella, Director Chris Williams,

500
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: I thought was was great, and I thought I appreciated

501
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 1: that you focused on what came out and crossed and

502
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: really kind of came back and hammered that home with

503
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: the redirect. And also, Mariella, I got your final Argumentum

504
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: was terrific. Like the words that were done was captivating, powerful, persuasive, effective,

505
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: like you had me like just watching your every move

506
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: on screen, so I can tell that you put in

507
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: the work, but you weren't reading it. You were actually

508
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: delivering it. And you were like looking into your camera

509
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: and you were really making me believe what you were

510
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: selling me. So I just wanted to commend you on

511
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: that as well. So both of you ladies, good job

512
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: for too plaintive as well. Alright, all the defense side

513
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: real quick. It was a huge adrenaline Rutch walking out

514
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: of there. And then he called me Mike Tyson. I

515
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: mean that in a good way. As a coach. He

516
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: doesn't lie to us. He doesn't sugarcoat a single thing.

517
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: If we're bad, he's gonna tell us we're rad. He's

518
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: gonna help us be better. Knowing that he said that,

519
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: like I did well, I knew for sure that I

520
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: had done well. Back in the tab room, A j

521
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: is seeing the tournament results in real time. WHOA, what

522
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: are the odds of that? Taylor scored ninety three points

523
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: the first round. You scored ninety three points the second round. Interesting,

524
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: That is really interesting. St. Mary's took a ballot which

525
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: puts us at four. Still puts this in front of Baylor,

526
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: which is nice eighty six plus one two, so they're

527
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: guaranteed quarterfinal. They have six ballots. They're kicking, but there's

528
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: short rib tacos and there's ribby tacolers hard parts. And

529
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: we had dinner before we went on to the second day,

530
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: and he's like, I want to talk for like a

531
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: good fifteen minutes. Get business out of the way so

532
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: we can have fun tonight. You, young lady, were amazing today. Okay.

533
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I was extremely proud

534
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: of you. It was your first clothes, was your first direct,

535
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: it was your first cross and you looked the part

536
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: the entire time. All right, I need you to keep

537
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: doing that. So we're in third place. How often do

538
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: I tell you how we're doing? Never? Never, we're in

539
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: third place. You all need to step up. She needs you.

540
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: We're not expecting Mariella to be up here with you.

541
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, you weren't up here. Your advocacy

542
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: is fantastic. The words that you're using, the delivery, all

543
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: of that is fantastic. I wouldn't change a single word

544
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: that you did today. What if I've been complaining with

545
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: you guys from BOE But the errors, the unforced right,

546
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: you had you were today, but you should have stomped

547
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: those teams. So we're in third. We're in a good position, right,

548
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: we are totally in control of our destiny. We're and

549
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: we're in quarterfinals? Is not good enough for you? It's

550
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: not when and we're in Okay, we could be the

551
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: two seed tomorrow, which puts us in a great position

552
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: to get into semifinals. And then it's a new game,

553
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: so you gotta be hungry for it as a team,

554
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: not as an individual. As a team. So I had

555
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot of clothes. You gotta have fun. None of

556
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: this is worth that if you're not having fun. Okay,

557
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: let's see. It's great bread, it's not fund The next day,

558
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: heading into the quarterfinals, Jasmine and mari Yella represent the

559
00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: plaintiff again, they're feeling loose, confident, they're having fun. I

560
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: gotta be sure I could do this for the team,

561
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: for all the women, all the Mexicans out there. I

562
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: got ya on this one. This is it. This is

563
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: all people did. But leaving you look at lawless. Let

564
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: see you sensify oy or two people want, hey, what's

565
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: up your honor? Playing? Jazzy called me Jas Michael Joshi

566
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: can't better yet a great person, you know what I'm

567
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: talking about. This for Chris Williams. Chris Williams is in

568
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: the schoolhouse and you were fighting for him. Yeah, you

569
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: are make your team proud. St Mary's be out here,

570
00:38:53,600 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: STEMIs this the time of you feel me? Who wore

571
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: the deepest press ever team in my life? Coach? Maybe

572
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: on here your bomb might be on their boyfriends on there,

573
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: may Ella's days on there. This one's for all the

574
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: Mexican handa. This this for the next a game like

575
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm not even mind you, for the next gens, for

576
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: all these people who got here. Let us allowest being

577
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: law school, allowest. People are abou talking to you, Sonia. Yeah,

578
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: this is for some of the sometime I want practice

579
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: when you preach. This is it the quarterfinal? It's about

580
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: to start. The court is assembling online. What about the plane?

581
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: James hi Flox, Sorry, I'll a plate tiff this year.

582
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: Thank you for that clarification, as I placed him the

583
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: chat and I made the announcing earlier. Please change your

584
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: name to read your role whether you're a plaintiff or

585
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: defense a dash and then your full name. Mariella calls

586
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: her first witness, played by Cole to the stand, what

587
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: happened at the point when you were slammed into the

588
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: ground head first? I could, I can feel and hear

589
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: the bones of my neck breaking. I yelled at a

590
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: stop that they were breaking my neck, but they just

591
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: kept on beating me up. At what point were you injured?

592
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: He cannot testify as to what he was actually injured.

593
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: He cannot diagnose himself. Here, your honor, may I be heard.

594
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: You're right, you're honor. He's testifying to hit his own experience.

595
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: I think he would know when he was unable to

596
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: stop walking and was unable to feel his body, and

597
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: that is the injury that we are here today about,

598
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: is his quadriplegia runs. I'll repeat my question, Chris, at

599
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: what point were you injured? I was injured when the

600
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: security guards of all the pavilion put there and put

601
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: my hands behind my back and slide my head into

602
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: the ground. And Chris, when you got there. Pride were

603
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: in a quarterfinal round and we're doing great. I mean,

604
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: everything seems to be going along just fine. I think

605
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: we're the better team. I think we're performing better teams,

606
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: doing everything that I could possibly ask of them, and

607
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: then this happens. Question for the plaintiffs team, Is there

608
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: only one attorney? Uh? No, they left, there's two. Um,

609
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: we are switching out the names because we have one

610
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: advocate room. But I received the phone call saying, hey,

611
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: the judges are saying that you guys are cheating because

612
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: you have one advocate playing all the roles. I said, no,

613
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: that that isn't true. We have two advocates, we have

614
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: two witnesses. We have two different people doing the two roles.

615
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: So at first when they said it, I, you know,

616
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: I won't say that, I was incredulous. At first when

617
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: it was like, I thought it was a joke. I

618
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: thought it was someone was being trying to be funny,

619
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: you know. And but then I got a second phone

620
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: call and the judges were insisting that we had one

621
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: person performing all of the advocate roles. I said that

622
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: we have two different people up there, once tall, one short,

623
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: ones thin with a long face, one is a little

624
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: heavier with a round face. One is wearing makeup, one's

625
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: just wearing bass. One is wearing a black suit, one

626
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: is wearing a blue suit. And I could see the

627
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: different colors of the suits on the screen. One is

628
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: wearing pearled ear rings. The other one is wearing no

629
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: ear rings. They both have long hair, but one has

630
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: it over their shoulder and the other one has it

631
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: behind they're back. So the only thing that's similar to

632
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: them is that they're both latin Us. They're both brown skinned.

633
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that's similar to them. Other than that,

634
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: it's two completely different people and you can't make them up.

635
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Speaker 1: So and you are miss yes, yes, aneys Well, who

636
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: thinks we're the same? Okay, you're on there. The interruption

637
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: is bizarre. It comes right before Mariella has to deliver

638
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: a lengthy and complex closing argument for the prosecution. No

639
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: one else has had to do this. Mariella, she fights

640
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: through it. Don't let them get you first. The words

641
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: that Joe Lovell lives by, the words that he preaches

642
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: to his fellow security guards, The words spoken by the

643
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: person who was supposed to keep concert goer safe the

644
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: night of June nineteen. Defense wants you to believe that

645
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: Chris struggled, that he was going crazy and resisting, but

646
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: Defense also implies that he could have sustained his injuries

647
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: while crowd surfing or even slam dancing, but nobody else's

648
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: stories aligned with that, even their own expert and hours

649
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: say that the injuries were sustained after he was crowd

650
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: tripping in after he was slam dancing. For that reason, again,

651
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: we asked that you find Alden Pavilion liable for the

652
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: injuries that were sustained by Chris Williams. On June. Thank

653
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: you an yes before you all remove yourselves from the

654
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: room or before we adjourn, rather, can we have the

655
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: team for the play tim We need to verify who

656
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: which one of you all did which portions of the trial,

657
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: So can you yes, your honor sorry, yes, bailiff, so

658
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: I Mario Lancinas did the direct of Chris Williams as

659
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: well as the cross of Dr Hatch and the closing,

660
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: and my co council Jasmine Olgen did the opening, the

661
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: direct of Dr Alvarez and then the cross of Joe

662
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: la Bell. Thank you for that, but also when they're

663
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: like what he would like you, could you kid please

664
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: turn your cameras on and get ready to give these

665
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: teams camera. With a few minutes to spare before the verdict,

666
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: the team drives over to a J's office. By then

667
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: the results would come out. So I called him into

668
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: the conference room and I told them and UM, you know,

669
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: I think you could tell by looking at me, and

670
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the your fans out there, you know,

671
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: don't see my face and the tears are reforming. It's real. Um,

672
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: we did not advance. Um. You know, sometimes you lose

673
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: and you know you wonder if you left it on

674
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: the floor or not. You know, did you leave it

675
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: on the field or you know, you didn't do your

676
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: best or it's it's very upsetting to me. I can't

677
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: imagine how you guys feel, because I know in my

678
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: heart that you guys were not just the better advocates,

679
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: but you were substantially better than the other team. But

680
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: in this case, the same thing happened that happened to

681
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: us in the first round. It went to a tie break,

682
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: and we lost in the tiebreak, which is a really

683
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow. That angers me, I know it

684
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: angers you. You You can define that however you want

685
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: to define it. I know how I'm defining it. Did

686
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: that play a role in their final decision? I don't know,

687
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: but it's it's really upsetting and I'm sorry, but this

688
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: isn't the first time in your life that that's going

689
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: to happen, and it's not going to be the last

690
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: times in your life that's going to happen. There's nothing

691
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: I can do to make it better. So we lost

692
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: that round. We lost that round two to one. You did.

693
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you something different, but I got

694
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: nothing more to tell you. There's literally nothing we can

695
00:48:49,400 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: do about that. Nothing rather than I'm sorry. In the

696
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: immediacy of that happening, not really knowing what was going

697
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: on though, what were your thoughts? Honestly, I think the

698
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: part that hurts the most is probably the misidentification. I

699
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: think they're so interconnected, the fact that they thought we

700
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: were cheating because of the misidentification. But the misidentification hurt

701
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Speaker 1: a little more. There's literally no way to train and

702
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: prepare for that. But then later on, when you found

703
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: out that there was this, I mean, I'm I'm beyond

704
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: upset about it. I'm like so impressed with how calm

705
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: you are about this. But Jasmine, in that moment later on,

706
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: when you found out that there was this insinuation, if

707
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: not outright accusation, that you and Mariella had been cheating

708
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: in this round, what was your what was your reaction,

709
00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: M upset and heard I think I is really confused,

710
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of in shock. Everyone else was

711
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: like pretty upset about it. But I couldn't like cry

712
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: right away because I'm like, there's no way that just

713
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: happened like that round yeah, just yeah. Honestly, what I

714
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: take away is it doesn't matter how hard I work,

715
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: how much time or or energy I put into something,

716
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: things like this will still cost me. And it's a

717
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow. It's something that you have to learn,

718
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: unfortunately in a predominantly white field that it might affect you.

719
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: Um this sent around it was judges and you're in practice.

720
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: It might be juries. It might be the judge, it

721
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: might be a juror, it might be opposing counsel, it

722
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: might be someone right. It's just this is a hurdle

723
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: that has to be jumped that not everybody's going to

724
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: have to jump with you. Jasmine has that experience at

725
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: best in Texas with do you have a description of

726
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: what you thought happened? I mean, I don't know, Like

727
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to agree with me, Jasmine, but it

728
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: sounds like racism to me. It sounds like on a

729
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: good day, some type of implicit bias. Maybe I don't know,

730
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: but has that affected you, Jasmine in any way on

731
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: your outlook on just life, not just on mock trial,

732
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: but luck on life. It definitely has. It makes it

733
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Speaker 1: just makes me scared that that is ever going to

734
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Speaker 1: affect me in the future. When I'm representing a client,

735
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to go up there and you know,

736
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: do an open or close and people are listening to

737
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, What if we have the better case

738
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: and they're instead going to look at me different because

739
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: the way I look like, maybe they're going to look

740
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: at me is less and they're going to see, oh this,

741
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, other attorney superior because color of their skin.

742
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: And that is what scares me. And we've now had

743
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: three teams that are Latino, so I'm proud of what

744
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: we've done there and increasing the diversity of the team.

745
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: We still have room to grow. I'm here to train

746
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: students to be lawyers, and most of these kids are

747
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: going to be lawyers here right here in San Antonio,

748
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: where the color of their skin in a courtroom doesn't

749
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: matter if you run down to the courthouse. Right now,

750
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: a great deal of those attorneys or Latino Latina. They're

751
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: not going to face what they faced last weekend here.

752
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, I believe that the world is good. I do.

753
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: I believe that most of our intentions are right. Even

754
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: in this situation. The folks that had our kids go

755
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: through this, I do not doubt for a second that

756
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: they do not think they did anything wrong, that they

757
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: were just clarifying. So what I want them to do

758
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: is I want them to just be strong. I want

759
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: them to continue to work on becoming trial lawyers, to

760
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: represent people that go through what they went through, go

761
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: through it because of their job or their daily life

762
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that they do. I am not

763
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: preparing competitors. I am preparing lawyers, trial lawyers. I'm preparing

764
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: them for life and the real courtroom. One of lawyers

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00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: in the United States are Latino women. One point three.

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00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: If it's a very small percentage, very small. Our school

767
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: is like Hispanic something seventy eighty, like something crazy above

768
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: the norm in terms of law schools in the United States.

769
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: And then the team, the team itself is like sevent Hispanic.

770
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: So I'm like already, well, like wherever St. Mary's goes,

771
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: our students, the majority of them are Hispanic, and what

772
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: does that say? What does that say to that kid

773
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: that maybe like took out loans and works two jobs

774
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: and you know, takes care of their a wait, that

775
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: like at home and it's really struggling to stay in school.

776
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: But they really should badly want to be an attorney,

777
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: but they go somewhere and they just keep getting knocked down.

778
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: Like what does that say? It's al Grito Mexican Independence

779
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Day and Andy has come home to Frida, her family's restaurant,

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00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: to celebrate. Lady you Gio. I saw her passion since

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00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: she was in high school, and even before that, she's

782
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: like probably middle school. She was always like such a

783
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: social advocate. She's always like interesting further into what's going

784
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: on in the country, in the world, always loving history,

785
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: always loving like espreading in the world about rights and

786
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: why things should be this way and that way, and

787
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: for the same time expressing why things weren't perfect and

788
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: have been pass in the universe. And you could see

789
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: her joy and her like explosion of like so many

790
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: ideas and so many just you know, passion, but intelligence

791
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: and brightness and good. That's Andy's mom. Rosa Viscara is

792
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: Louise Speranza and her here an here and here positively

793
00:55:44,160 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: comparative Esperanza Speranza, the lower thank us, yeah, cost there.

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00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: For me, it's important to always celebrate these dates with

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00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: my children as showed them, and remind them that this

796
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: is who you are, and this is where we come from,

797
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: and this is our detory, and you should know who

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00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: it allegories, and you should know what the great represents,

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00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: and you should know what the flag represents, the whole

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00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: history behind it. And because I will just make you

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00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: richer and broader and wise here and more tolerant and

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00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: more understand you know everybody's difference points of view. But

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00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you have a strong foundation. I have

804
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: always believed that. I mean, it's like a house, right,

805
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: you have to have a strong foundation so you can

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00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: hold the wind and the hurricanes and everything that comes

807
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: to you. And that comes from family, it comes from history,

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00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: as kids reminded of it. You gotta know what degree is,

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00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: you gotta know what what it means. But it's an

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00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to come together. It's an opportunity to let your

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00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: friends to savor the flavors in Mexico. So that's just

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: the importance of it. Rest. Now he cannot own Barria

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Speaker 1: mor else forties. They do meaner bevign there tomorrows your

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Speaker 1: not yea be there you go, you go, Biva you go. Hi.

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Speaker 1: My name is Andy the Scara and I had an

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00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: interview with the District Attorney's office today. UM. I thought

817
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: the interview went pretty well. I mean, like I hope. UM.

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00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: I will always like knock on wood when I say that,

819
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: But I mean I think they liked me. I'm feeling

820
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: good this morning. UM going into it like I'm ready.

821
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm not. But I say, where's the

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00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: nay of the American representation in state government? How many

823
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: cabinet members in state governing a Native Erica? How many

824
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: Native Americans on the circuit court bench throughout the state

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: of South Dakota. Then I have a name that's next

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Sound Argument, Created, produced, and edited

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Speaker 1: by Kevin Huffman and Lisa Gray. This episode was written

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