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<v Speaker 1>It's two fifty two am at the Renaissance Pleasure Fair

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<v Speaker 1>in Irwindale, California, and you're listening to Night Call. Hello everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to Night Call, a podcast for your medieval

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<v Speaker 1>days and Renaissance nights. I'm Molly Lambert, and here in

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<v Speaker 1>what a miserable situation. Speaking of being trapped in previous eras, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us, I went to the Renaissance Fair again. How

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<v Speaker 1>many times have you been? This is my second time.

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<v Speaker 1>I went for the it's only your second time? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I went for the first time last year. Oh, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of from my other podcast, North Mollywood. Because um, friend

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<v Speaker 1>of our podcast, Jane Marie, it's a big unfair person

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<v Speaker 1>and I hate medieval stuff, and she had convinced me

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<v Speaker 1>that the Renfair would be my point of entry into

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<v Speaker 1>understanding why people like medieval stuff. And she was right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me guess what she said. She was like, there's goats,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were like, okay, I saw a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of you with goats, and I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the draw. I didn't know there were goats the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was so delighted and surprised that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a petting zoo, a very awesome petting zoo. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was more like there's fried food and you

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<v Speaker 1>can like stare at people, and I was like, in

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<v Speaker 1>it's so hard to find that combination in America fried food,

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<v Speaker 1>staring at people. Well you know, well you would love

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<v Speaker 1>the Fulsome Street Fair. Yeah, I've always wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Fulton Street Fair. Um. I like things like

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<v Speaker 1>that as a as you all know, Emily and I

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<v Speaker 1>went to Times Square a couple of weeks ago and

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<v Speaker 1>I was just walking around, just was so goofy and happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the Renfair this year was so started

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<v Speaker 1>it I knew, and so many people who were posting

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<v Speaker 1>about it on their Instagram, Like I saw that, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>you were there with Andrew with Kara Brown and Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>t and reluctantly, well I love the Um well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I didn't love it, but it like occurred to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been to one of these forever and not

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<v Speaker 1>since I was a kid. But Andrew was like, if

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<v Speaker 1>one person tells me like, oh, a visitor from the East,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that. But then, uh, you know. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>my argument for why the California Runfair is cool it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's way more diverse than should I expect from a unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of just like a California thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's like people dressed up in unfair stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>then there's also just people wearing like flip flops and

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<v Speaker 1>T shirts and it's like pretty casual. What did you wear?

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<v Speaker 1>So Andrew kind of he said, you know, like at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, like he had he said,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like way more Asian Americans there than he expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he have fun? But he he did not have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you wear? I'm not feeling it. I wore no.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I wore like a regular outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of cold, actually, which was great because

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I went it was a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten degrees and that was like a little hellish. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was like a delightful, more English feeling because it

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<v Speaker 1>was cold. Well, I mean as much as I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, you know, I cringe at the thought of

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<v Speaker 1>renfairs because my mom would would would take them, take

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<v Speaker 1>me to them when I was a kid. Wait, did

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<v Speaker 1>you put on like a little Elizabethan outfit? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even remember what I wore. I was mostly mortified to

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<v Speaker 1>be there, But now thinking about, like thinking back and

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<v Speaker 1>are imagine going to another one? It kind of bums

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<v Speaker 1>me out to imagine a renfair where like people are

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<v Speaker 1>wearing flip flops, like if you're going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>bit commit to it, like playing like it's very just

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<v Speaker 1>so cal. There's like a k rock booth at the

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<v Speaker 1>front that was playing pop punk as you enter. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of like raiders over Blink two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you Link eight two and just like it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>always been anachronistic and it's actually it's the first Renaissance

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<v Speaker 1>fair ever? Is this one? Really? Yeah? Really? Yeah. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a bunch of like medieval academics who would have

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<v Speaker 1>dinners in l a and do like cosplay and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have a night's ladies dinner. And then they were

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<v Speaker 1>like wouldn't it be fun if everyone could join? And

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<v Speaker 1>they started throwing it and they invented like the template

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rent Fair, which also Andrew was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like a carnival that's like medieval themed, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can buy crafts and stuff, you can watch somebody

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<v Speaker 1>like Black Smithery. Yeah, there are ridest Yeah, there's rides,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rides are really low tech, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool. Um. We were there with the Jane's kid

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<v Speaker 1>who's really cool and she was just like super stow

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<v Speaker 1>for these rides that are like they put you on

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<v Speaker 1>like a dragon Viking boat and just kind of push

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<v Speaker 1>you back and forth, you know, but like for little kids,

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<v Speaker 1>are like, this is amazing. And there's one really anachronistic

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<v Speaker 1>great ride that's just a giant waiting pool full of

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<v Speaker 1>those bubbles you can go inside. Wait, excuse me, like

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<v Speaker 1>a hamsterball to like a hamster ball for kids, but

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe only kids can fit in. And there's just

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<v Speaker 1>like a giant wading pool full of them with kids

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<v Speaker 1>just like bubble ball sounds so dangerous, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It's actually based on a medieval sport, the

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<v Speaker 1>amster bubble ball, where the fittest children survived and they

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<v Speaker 1>were they moved on to the next round. I like

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<v Speaker 1>every time they missed. It was. It was really fun

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<v Speaker 1>to go. You know. I'm just like enchanted by everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And Andrew and Kara were definitely way more skeptical. Carol

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, you know, like I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to live in any other time. I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I was yeah, and then I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what would your like, what is your ideal fair, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like what what would be a theme you would be into?

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<v Speaker 1>And we were kind of talking about that I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we've never really reached a conclusion of your era

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<v Speaker 1>or just like what you know. Besides, because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>there should be more fairs, like not just renaissance you

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<v Speaker 1>go to in Egypt fair, That's what I said. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, really, I'd like ancient Egypt land that the

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<v Speaker 1>West World that I would most enjoy. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>honestly now thinking back on it is like a good

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<v Speaker 1>state fair. I love. I've never been to the state

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<v Speaker 1>fair fair themed fair. I used to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>Goshen Fair and go I think Goshen. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it's even New York or Connecticut, because it's where

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<v Speaker 1>everything meets that part of New England where you're like

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<v Speaker 1>where am I England? In New England? Goshen Fair And

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot of like drink the milk from

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<v Speaker 1>the cow and like guess how much the pig way? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably enjoyed that. Even it was SuperFect great. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we love to the Renaissance Fair. Somebody was holding like

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<v Speaker 1>a cut off pig's head and we were all a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit like, I don't know about that. That yeah, this, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see. I grew up in Iowa, where like the

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<v Speaker 1>State Fair in Iowa was like the musical State Fair

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<v Speaker 1>is based on that state Fair, Like it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the mother of all state fairs for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Iowa State Fair is that like where they

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<v Speaker 1>make sculptures out of butter and stuffing it is that

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<v Speaker 1>is the home of the butter cow um and many

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<v Speaker 1>other butter things. Uh, and I mean all of the

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<v Speaker 1>I just loved after I kind of got a little

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<v Speaker 1>too old to just go for rides, I would just

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<v Speaker 1>love going to all the craft halls and seeing everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>like incredible quilts and stuff like I got really quilts

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<v Speaker 1>every time I would go to the fares because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, look at how much time people spent on this,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like it's like so heartwarming to see like

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<v Speaker 1>all these moms across our little state, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when and baked all these fancy pies or made a

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<v Speaker 1>fancy quilt or something. It's very it's very sweet. I

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<v Speaker 1>like also like a little feminist because it's like, look

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<v Speaker 1>at all these art forms that yeah, never get value,

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<v Speaker 1>like baking home baking, and we can come up on

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<v Speaker 1>stage and like get a ribbon or a trophy or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>like baking and for like sewing and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>At night quilt and we should make a night called

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<v Speaker 1>night quilt contest. We had at our high school. There

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<v Speaker 1>was like some some like throwback count fair type events

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<v Speaker 1>that it just makes me think of stand by me,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah that too. No piating contest will not make

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<v Speaker 1>me think of all the throwing up. That's a real,

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<v Speaker 1>real in every inaction of that happened at our high school. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to make you, but I will just

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<v Speaker 1>say it was exactly the same. Oh it sounds horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's a state fair and fair in

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<v Speaker 1>general thing I will never be able to enjoy again.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the ren fairest fun. You guys should go. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I drink a breakfast beer, which I don't think I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever done. Is that I don't know that something kept

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<v Speaker 1>calling it. Are you sure it wasn't just because you

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<v Speaker 1>were drinking a beer in the morning. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. It wasn't like a coffee flavored stout.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew ordered a guinness and he was like, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to try one of these Irish beers. I've been the colonies,

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<v Speaker 1>fetch me one of those. Also, the people working the

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<v Speaker 1>beer booth are so drunk. Yeah, or it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean it ends at seven too. I

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<v Speaker 1>could see where it would get a little sloppy after hours,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's fun. It's fun for a little bit. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it going on so by the time you hear this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast it will be over? No, I think it goes

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<v Speaker 1>like it goes into the month. I think through everybody

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. Um, it's a big, big fun thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do for a little bit. Shout out to Irwin Dale,

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<v Speaker 1>big fun thing to do for a little well. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>like the place where it is is like this big

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<v Speaker 1>fake lake that is really cool. Um, that just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of reminds me of Zodiac, reminds me of the beach

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<v Speaker 1>that they go to and Treeless. Yeah, it's like one

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<v Speaker 1>of those weird California like we gotta put something in

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<v Speaker 1>this place for people to hear in it. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a giant track of the park. Seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>cool place to go not at through unfair well speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of scodiac and then going off that, yeah, good transition

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<v Speaker 1>speaking for things that span California and are spooky. Well

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna say. Okay, So they found they found

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<v Speaker 1>who they think is the Golden State Killer, which is

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<v Speaker 1>now old news maybe, but Joseph James D'Angelo, who was

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two I think, was apprehended in Sacramento after he

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<v Speaker 1>was tracked down using a genealogy website. They found his

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<v Speaker 1>um extended family members who had joined the site, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they were able to find this guy. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was interesting because it raised a lot of privacy

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<v Speaker 1>concerns obviously, So the website that they used was g

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<v Speaker 1>e d Match, which is open source and doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the same privacy restrictions as UM ancestry, dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three and me. So they're the police may have

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<v Speaker 1>been more limited if they had used one of those sites.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know if they tried to use those sites

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<v Speaker 1>and then ended up using g d match because there

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<v Speaker 1>were less um safeguards in place. But what's interesting, Like

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<v Speaker 1>my first thought, and I really want to hear what

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have to say about this. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how could that really be used to? Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they caught a serial rapist and serial killers, so in

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<v Speaker 1>a way like privacy seems like an afterthought. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I started spinning out about the different ways that that

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<v Speaker 1>could go wrong. What do you guys think? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>would love you to tell everyone what you told me

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<v Speaker 1>before we started recording that you were watching The handmaid

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<v Speaker 1>and Tale Handmaids I keep saying, I always because it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me thing about the Handmaiden, which is also really

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<v Speaker 1>good better. Also, you're in that renfair zones. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just make it a maiden. I was telling Molly that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm watching season two of The Handmaid's Tale, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really good but also just so scary. I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I can't submit myself to it. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>too much. In the future, you'll be forced to subscription.

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<v Speaker 1>It really shows kind of if you're unhappy with the

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<v Speaker 1>politics in this country, which I think uh I am

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<v Speaker 1>at least, but watching why What's wrong? Why? What could

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong? What could an? Kanye Um I just made

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<v Speaker 1>test listen to the new Kanye songs and I took

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<v Speaker 1>little videos of her reactions. She did um one of

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<v Speaker 1>them she just started face probleming really hard. At a

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<v Speaker 1>certain point, it's just hard. I mean, I love Kanye,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's I can't continue our relationship anymore. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to take a breather. It's just too much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love t I, so at least that was

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<v Speaker 1>like a nice foothold there. But I found the first

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<v Speaker 1>season of Handmade's Tale to be much easier to watch

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<v Speaker 1>because I think at that point I still had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of optimism that, um, by this point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>we would not still be here, but we are. So

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<v Speaker 1>the second season is kind of intense. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching it and then was reading on I think tech Crunch.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of days ago they posted um a thing

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<v Speaker 1>about the Golden State killer and the privacy concerns, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, how could this be really catastrophic?

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<v Speaker 1>And it takes a lot of mental gymnastics, is not

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem at all plausible. But if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>freak yourself out, you could think about if abortion were

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<v Speaker 1>made illegal and if um the idiot that got fired

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<v Speaker 1>from the Atlantic for saying that women who had had

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<v Speaker 1>abortions should be hanged, and you know, Mike Pence got

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<v Speaker 1>together in a little room and decided that that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to become law. Then of course, um, if you'd

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<v Speaker 1>had an abortion for any reason, you could theoretically be

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<v Speaker 1>tracked down via your family members who were registered on

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<v Speaker 1>an ancestry site and hanged. So I'm just saying, worst

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<v Speaker 1>case scenario, that could be a way that privacy concerns

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<v Speaker 1>would be valid. But I was like, I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>also have to start thinking very carefully about how this

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<v Speaker 1>could be used against certain groups of people, Like about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been very skeptical of twenty three and me because

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody that I follow on Twitter was talking about like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, it totally could be used for eugenics. That's

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<v Speaker 1>basically like it's a record of people's ethnicities. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like if there's an analogy where like Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>was laying down the infrastructure for you know, the last

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<v Speaker 1>presidential election or something that I kind of I can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine a scenario in which three and me and all

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<v Speaker 1>these other sites are laying down the infrastructure for something

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't even want to think about. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I obviously this is not like new that tech and

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<v Speaker 1>eugenics are connected. Because IBM did all the punch cards

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<v Speaker 1>for the duck camps and the Holocaust, And it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to think about IBM as a company that has this

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<v Speaker 1>like super dark history that just any company that like

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<v Speaker 1>does something really fucked up, and then it's like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>not think about it, because obviously a lot of companies

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<v Speaker 1>that involved Nazis keep coming up one night call like

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<v Speaker 1>every time I'm at a shoe store. Now I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like side eyeing myself for wanting Adidas.

0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, maybe I shouldn't buy Adidas anymore. Maybe I

0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:52.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want lots of other shoe brands. The sauces at

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<v Speaker 1>the Renfair, I was like, you know, now seems like

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<v Speaker 1>not the time to get into Celtic jewelry, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like definitely something I like have liked in the past

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<v Speaker 1>or been like, oh, it's you know fine, But I'm like, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want I don't think jewelry. But your snob

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<v Speaker 1>about medieval stuff. Yes, I'm Irish American, Obviously I don't

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<v Speaker 1>trust those Brits. No. I went to the Irish Fair,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an Irish theme Renaissance fair at Lake Balboa.

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<v Speaker 1>So while I've never been to the Renaissance fair. I

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<v Speaker 1>totally went to a Renaissance fair that just had like

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<v Speaker 1>more pan flute. I want to say, druids and stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>nights and lords and I don't care about I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>into royalism. I'm into like, you know, veganism. Oh you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. Can you hold? Is it okay if

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<v Speaker 1>I go for five minutes? I'm okay? Sorry, Yeah, it's hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Is she gone? I think she's gone? Um, you know

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<v Speaker 1>Mother's Day's coming up, and uh, what are you getting

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's coming back. I would go to a

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<v Speaker 1>wicker Man fast that would be I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's burning you know it. Though I would totally go

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<v Speaker 1>to Burning Man if it weren't in the desert. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it's you love the desert when that kind

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<v Speaker 1>I've always said, like I would like to go to

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<v Speaker 1>like wet Man. Yeah, man, I feel like Ben is

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<v Speaker 1>into that. But it's the inside joke from a different podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's where um I feel like. So so there's

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<v Speaker 1>um there's a film critic Um David Earl who I'm

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<v Speaker 1>friends with, and he recently did a UM I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say it was thirty five hour long marathon of

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<v Speaker 1>all of the Marvel movies like leading up to Avengers,

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<v Speaker 1>if any were that they high here at the AMC

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<v Speaker 1>and UM in Times Square and he hates he hates

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<v Speaker 1>the Avengers movies. And he did it like basically he

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<v Speaker 1>did it like the way that people do runs like

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<v Speaker 1>um where you can like raise money for a cause.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, like the more people donated, the more he

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<v Speaker 1>would like double down on it like we're an a

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<v Speaker 1>vendor's T shirt or something to it. Just and he

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<v Speaker 1>was raising money for every town the like gun anti

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence. UM. And I haven't actually checked in with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how if he survived. Actually I think

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<v Speaker 1>he survived. I think I have evidence of him surviving.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that we should do that but for

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<v Speaker 1>burning man, like see how long we can get Molly

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in the desert um and every every day,

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<v Speaker 1>every successive day, more money from lose me for what

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<v Speaker 1>did she ever do to you? Emily? I want to go, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well I was thinking too, is like where Emily and

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<v Speaker 1>I and probably not Tess would really like to go

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<v Speaker 1>is Electric Daisy Carnival in Las Vegas, because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a Renfair. That's eat, It's an E. D. M Fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Well now now, I mean since our last podcast, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I feel like we almost can't revisit the

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<v Speaker 1>well anymore. I almost feel like it would feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I was just chasing a dragon indefinitely. But I don't know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where you can chase some dragons. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big new and things that the Renfair was.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody had what I first thought were animatronic dragons on

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<v Speaker 1>their shoulders, and they are you know, they turned out

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<v Speaker 1>they were puppets, really good puppets that were designed by

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<v Speaker 1>designed by this guy who designed Admiral akbar Uh Dobby,

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<v Speaker 1>the House Elf and some of the Labyrinth creatures. And

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<v Speaker 1>they were like totally looked like that, like all of

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<v Speaker 1>those things, and they were like little shoulder dragon puppets

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<v Speaker 1>and all these But who's opera? How do you control it?

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<v Speaker 1>You have like a little um squeeze thing you use,

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<v Speaker 1>and these people had it cleverly hidden inside their costumes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought it was an animatronic that just like

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<v Speaker 1>moved its head back and forth. But it was, actually,

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.520
<v Speaker 1>that's offen that you could control. And my friend's kid

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<v Speaker 1>got one and she was so stoked and she needed

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<v Speaker 1>to go go to the Goblin. That's awesome. I think

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<v Speaker 1>other people's enthusiasm for stuff always makes me excited. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>they're having such a good time. But also Andrew was like,

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<v Speaker 1>they're so desperate for like attention. Everybody is just like, please, sir. Sound.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we got like way off topic and went

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<v Speaker 1>back to talking about the Rent Fair again. But I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have some questions about the Golden State Killer because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really I didn't really know about that Golden

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<v Speaker 1>State did until the book came out. And uh, they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that that's not why they caught him, but it

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<v Speaker 1>obviously seems like it drummed up in the case. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really awful how they haven't. I mean, she got so

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<v Speaker 1>little credit from law enforcement, which is curious because I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this she she put so much work into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've I ordered the book, but I haven't read it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone I know who's read it says it's incredible. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>this was finished posthumously. I think she co wrote it

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<v Speaker 1>with journalist. I watched the forty eight hour special, which

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<v Speaker 1>was really good and yeah, I mean it is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned a lot about he was like a rapist

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bay Area. He did it was Sacramento, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he went north and south right, he ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in southern California, and then he murdered a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people in southern California, which is why he's called original.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Stalker is one of his names because he predates

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<v Speaker 1>the night stalker. Correct. I think his first crime was

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in night um. Yeah, so, and then he they

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<v Speaker 1>when they were initially profiling him, they said that he

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<v Speaker 1>would not stop that they thought he would not stop

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<v Speaker 1>committing crimes until he was dead or in prison. So

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<v Speaker 1>at a certain point they hypothesized that he had been

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<v Speaker 1>jailed for something else. Um, but apparently not. Didn't it

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<v Speaker 1>maybe match up though he like took a job or

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<v Speaker 1>had kids or something. He was a former police officer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was either in the Navy or the Marines or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was a police officer and he was

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<v Speaker 1>fired from the force because he stole a can of

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<v Speaker 1>dog repellent and something else, maybe a hammer. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of reading on it, but it all

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<v Speaker 1>just like kind of washed over. Me because I was

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<v Speaker 1>aware at some point I was like, I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>to look into all the like horrible California crimes. And obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Um he was very prolific and he you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>tortured his victims. He was really sadistic UM and he

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<v Speaker 1>you know, targeted couples and uh and women and he

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of striking. I think at one point he

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<v Speaker 1>was he had one victim a month. So for Sacramento,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody was kind of like as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>it was dark, everybody would get really freaked out. If

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>women were home alone, they'd be particularly freaked out. And

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<v Speaker 1>after the zodiac, right, so it's like that's what I'm

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 1>not sure about. You said I started in the seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it started in sevent zodiac start with in

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<v Speaker 1>the late sixties. But just it does feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the man do you think everybody? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>because like at least inspired by maybe not a direct copycat,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a good question. Like it's like, how were

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<v Speaker 1>there so many killers that are in northern California? It

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<v Speaker 1>just feels like in southern and there's that feeling like

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about the Manson murders that everybody talks about.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like after the Manson murders, everybody was just like

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<v Speaker 1>so paranoid and freaked out for like years afterwards, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, even if nothing happens, everybody's like close lock

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<v Speaker 1>all your doors at night, and like if you're alone

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<v Speaker 1>in a area, you know. So I just looked it up,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, and so it was from seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty six, and he killed twelve people and raped

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<v Speaker 1>at least forty five and burglarized more than a and

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<v Speaker 1>he's so terrible. So he's known as the Easterea Rapist,

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<v Speaker 1>the Diamond not Killer, and the Original night Stalker, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why some people refer to him as Eurons, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like Easter Area rapists slash Original night Stoker. Right,

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>those are like the message boards. Uh, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw some people online being, oh, we shouldn't give

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>these serial killers like nicknames. It glamorizes them too much.

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>But then I heard somebody else tell me that apparently

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>giving them nicknames help people get caught, because it like

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>sticks in people's minds if there's a nickname and something

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>about that, like when you give you know, give a

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>it just gives it like a narrative the couple can understand.

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<v Speaker 1>The grim Sleeper was one of the ones that I

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<v Speaker 1>got really interested in the l A Weekly, the when

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<v Speaker 1>the l A Weekly was the l A Weekly before

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it was the VC l A Weekly. Um, they did

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of amazing coverage about the grim Sleeper, who

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the reasons all weeklies are so important

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 1>and why what happened to the l A Weekly sucks

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>so bad, um, is that all weekly report on local

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 1>stories the national papers would never report on, and especially

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>like things like the grim Sleeper who was targeting a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sex workers, people that didn't have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>families to advocate for them, or also in areas of

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<v Speaker 1>l A where there wasn't a huge police presence and

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 1>it was really hard to you know, for families to

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for you know, deeper investor, here's the police presence

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and they just don't give a fund. All. That's true. Yeah,

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>And obviously the fact that the Golden State killer was

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>a cop, you know, ties into a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>things happening now of like, hey, maybe we can all

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>admit that like a lot of sociopathic people become cops

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>because they want to kill a lot of People One

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<v Speaker 1>for your commute home. This is a crazy it just

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<v Speaker 1>it did feel like this week was sort of like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple of glimmers of hope, you know, like

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>this guy maybe getting caught. And then also the Bill

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Cosby verdict came out and I think everyone I was surprised,

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I know, and so jaded about things like this, especially

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>about sexual assault. But I wonder if he'll spend any

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>time in jail. You know, the fact that it happened

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>at all. I'm still just like, wow, you know, maybe

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe things can change, and maybe all the people that

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>are like nothing will ever change because it's in their

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>interest to feel that nothing will ever change. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just like, I mean, it is kind of incredible

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<v Speaker 1>that between the first trial and the second trial that

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<v Speaker 1>there was just such a huge cultural change and me

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>too happened. And then to see you know, the victims

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<v Speaker 1>crying in the courtroom after the verdict had been read

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty well, that was yeah. I mean that New

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>York magazine cover was really big obviously because of just

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that image of like, oh, here's how many people are

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>being just completely discounted because the famous guy doesn't want

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to get in trouble for being such a up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so weird that now we think about everything about like

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 1>pre imposed me too. I guess that's like, you know,

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the power of a a hashtag or a name for

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>some or name of a movement or something like that.

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 1>But like that, it was so there was such a

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<v Speaker 1>run up to like until we knew how to like

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<v Speaker 1>organize and talk about a problem like that, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge part of it. Yeah, I think acknowledging

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>it was part of the part of the issue because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of people were in denial.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, definitely I did not know how bad like

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>things were. Oh my god, I know, you know. Also

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean, hopefully the next stuff for this

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<v Speaker 1>is for states to reconsider the statute of limitations for rapes.

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I know that I think California is reconsidering that. But obviously,

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>with Weinstein and Cosby, that was an issue that kind

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>of made it more difficult to prosecute. Obviously Andrea Constant

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<v Speaker 1>was the only person who could bring anything against Cosby,

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>and yet there were so many women who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>had gone through this well, had identical stories exactly exactly

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>not like totally identical, but some of the details of

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>like his method of operating, we're so similar from story

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to story, um, which is like a thing you see

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>across all these guys, especially powerful guys, who like are

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<v Speaker 1>in a position where they can just have a protocol

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and just operated over and over, and a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>uh seem to not be able to stop talking about

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<v Speaker 1>it afterwards. Like what I kept saying about all these

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>like guys coming back after times up, you know, they're

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>like they don't even understand that you should hide out

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>for a few years so you can construct a believable

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>redemption narrative. They're just like, Okay, six months have gone by,

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone's forgotten all the bad ship I did here I

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>am again. Well, so wait, you were tweeting about this?

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Who do we so Louis c K. There was a

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of comeback articles. There's one about Louis

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>c K. There's one about Rose, and there's one Charlie

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Rose is going to host a show apparently where he's

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>man who've been victimized by the times of movement. And

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>James Franco had like a fleff piece like he's turning forty,

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>like he's really you know, he's not going out much

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>these days. Yeah, that's so sad, gee right, I mean

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the like Hollywood Reporter has been doing a lot of

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>irresponsible ship lately, and that they did the one on

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>on Louis c k uh like talking about it wasn't

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>even like a reported piece. I don't think it was

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>just like it was just like comedy clubs. And I

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<v Speaker 1>got really piste off about that because I got an

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<v Speaker 1>argue my friend about it where I was like, he

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.479
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to we don't have to let that happen.

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Apparently he's been I've heard from people he's just been

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<v Speaker 1>at comedy seller like every night, just watching but not

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>going up. And it feels like people New York say

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>they've seen him like lurking around bookstores and movie theaters

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>and like testing the waters of like being out in

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>New York. Do I not get booed out of the

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>like bookstore or whatever. But it's like most people, like

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't. I wouldn't like boo Louis c k out

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of a bookstore and just be like go home, you know, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of us are saying that if

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you do things, even if they're criminal, even if you

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 1>know you cross lines and you've proven yourself to be

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a horrible person. I don't think any of us is

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>saying like that you should just disappear necessarily. But I

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>do think that there's that the amount of time in exile,

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>so to speak, is so short. I mean, the Louis

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Ka allegations had been going on for so long. He

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<v Speaker 1>had been kind of avoiding talking about them, not totally denying,

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>but just saying, well, that's gossip. And I feel like

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he actually there was a that

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>weird thing, and I think Gawker where he was power

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.239
<v Speaker 1>to be like, well, he knew he was doing it,

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and all the women he did it too, knew he

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>was doing it obviously, but it sounded as though he

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of tried his best to not outwardly deny but

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>at the same time to kind of gaslight the women.

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>It was all part of some like sociopathic kick where

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<v Speaker 1>it was. I mean that he clearly got off on

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>almost getting caught all the time, which is I think

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>it happens for a lot of these dudes. It's like

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>they like getting away with it, but also like if

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.439
<v Speaker 1>nobody noticedes they're getting away with it, they're like, oh,

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I should make it like more and more flagrant each time.

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think in an ideal world, what you

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>would want is for someone to step aside long enough

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to let other people, maybe even women rise and to

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>help women, you know, to help women without seeing this

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of That's how I feel Also about like the

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>John Krick Flusi story that came out, which was such

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a breaking John kues a pedophile. We didn't talk about that. Yeah,

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 1>he's the renaissimpy guy, and they were just all these

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>stories about he dated teenagers, and the teenagers just like

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 1>openly to like like work, they worked for him, like

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>in the studio, like they were interns or something, but

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.399
<v Speaker 1>they were also his girlfriends, which is just he wasn't

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>even trying to train it. Uh yeah, I mean it was.

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>It was horrible, and it was another one of the stories.

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>We were like, oh and also like a lot of

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>people knew, and we're like unknowingly complicit or knowingly complicit,

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>cause they were just like, well that's the boss. Like well,

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>including the sources for the story for the BuzzFeed story,

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>they were like, well, I guess this was going on

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.879
<v Speaker 1>along and I guess now probably m I think kind

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>of either stepped away from him or tried to distance

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 1>themselves because they felt so uncomfortable. But yeah, nobody, nobody

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 1>really stepped up, and I think a lot of people

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 1>took responsibility for not stepping up and saying like at

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>some at some point, the girls felt bad about it

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>because they were like, I idolized him and then he

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>took advantage of me, but like you know, they were,

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>it's so fucked. It was so bad. The BuzzFeed story

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 1>was we all read it around the same time we

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>had been thinking about I think talking about it on

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the podcast for a while. Came out March twenty nine

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and it was called the Disturbing Secret behind an Iconic

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Carts and just all these stories, I mean, all these dudes.

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess what ultimately it comes down to is like

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the lengths people are willing to go to like protect

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 1>some guy that they think is talented versus like all

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 1>the women that they do funked up ship too if

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>as long as those women are like not famous, And

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that's been a criticism of the me too movement is like, well,

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, if these women weren't famous white actresses, would

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>anyone care? You know? The way it's getting covered is

0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and of course a lot of them are not famous

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>actresses or famous cartoonists because a lot of them can't

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.320
<v Speaker 1>really stand to work in an industry with a person

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>who Tandy Newton, who's awesome, like said something about just like, oh,

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't really asked to go to me too, and

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>like I've been speaking out about this for like a

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>billion years already. Yeah, oh sorry, times up, not me too,

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.359
<v Speaker 1>times up, And she was like yeah, like I didn't

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>get invited at these meetings, but like you know, it's

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>because I'm not like hot enough as an actress. So

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>it's also crazy because she's on this world but it

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 1>was like film actresses only. So I think there are

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>probably also dudes that are hoping these movements will just

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of like eat themselves, you know that, like it'll

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>it'll devolve into in fighting and then just die down.

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 1>So uh, that won't happen. I don't think. I don't

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>think people are going to get unpiste off about this.

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think what what's truly interesting about this

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>is that with m Cosby, obviously that cover photo of

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the victims and just seeing this year a number of

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>them was really striking. And then with the Krick Feluci thing, um,

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the BuzzFeed story had pictures that he had taken of

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 1>his girlfriends and they were so young, I mean like

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>they were children, and like the thing was that nobody

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>was even being like like people usually doing people day

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 1>teenagers were like, oh, you know, she looked much older,

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>like you would never know. It was like you see

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>any you're like that is a kid. And also I

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.839
<v Speaker 1>think if you were like a cool girl kid who

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>like watched her and stimpy. It's such a bummer because

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, I was like a thirteen year old

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 1>on AO well and like if any of my heroes

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>had like targeted me, like that's like the ao L

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 1>conversations just like, oh, such a bummer. And I think

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 1>also the other thing that's a bummer about about um

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Krick flucy is just like I think it's a bummer

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>anytime you see somebody does something like subversive or weird

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and you want to believe that you like, you know,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 1>like especially something I run in simply that like obviously

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>had like a lot of parents groups or something up

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>in arms and a lot of people, you know, like

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 1>it was it was deemed you know, gross or something,

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>and you want to believe that that any charge against

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>like somebody's character who would make something weird or or

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 1>subversive or something would not turn out to be true.

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>That like you can be like chill and also make

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>weird gross stuff sometimes and it's totally okay or like

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 1>stuff that feels a little bit pervy, but like also

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>not be an actual uh predator. Um. And I think

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>it's just a bummer when your faith and people to

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>be pervy and challenging and subversive, but also not a

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>creep like it's it's I'm also like always horrified by

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>just like how easy it is for people to leverage

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 1>power in those situations, like no matter how niche the

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>interest is, you know, yeah, like all all animation, like

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of course there's going to be like uh, you know,

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:07.760
<v Speaker 1>revival and art movie house theaters, which happened to different

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>as in a family in Los Angeles saying at the

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Alamo Draft House, Uh, you know where predators are being protected. Uh,

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 1>and you're like and people would just be like wait,

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>but like it's an art house movie theater and it's

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, but like if you get a bunch of

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>people that are really want to work in an art

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 1>house movie theater and you're the guy in charge, like

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 1>of course you're you could exploit that power, and it's

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 1>like on you not to do so. And there's also

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 1>a thing where it's like no. But I do think

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 1>there's something about like alternative workplaces because I've been thinking

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 1>about this a lot in terms of like how two

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>thousands vice kind of normalize a lot of stuff that

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>then turned into the all right, you know just of

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>like oh, if you were offended, then like you're sucking uncool,

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, and just like all this like oh, we're

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.319
<v Speaker 1>breaking rules at work, like we're smoking weed inside and

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 1>like getting drunk during the day, and then how it

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like normalizes kind of like oh, let's just break other

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>rules that like are in place for a reason, like

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>sexual misconduct codes. Well, also with I think with Sinni

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 1>family maybe most notably, there was also this thing of

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>like everybody's working because they love it, and people aren't

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>necessarily being paid fairly, and also they're being worked so

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 1>hard that they're staying and you know, they were like

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 1>staying very very late. You know, like it was kind

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of like well the perks or that you could do

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 1>whatever you wanted and you had this very very casual atmosphere,

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>but you were also like really trying to prove yourself,

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and so it created a lot of opportunities for someone

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 1>who didn't have the best interests of their employees at

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>heart to take advantage of that. Yeah, I mean everybody

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I know who worked there has talked about how it

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 1>was like a really culti atmosphere and how there was

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like fear of going against you know,

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the lying that was happening, right, it was, and they

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:54.439
<v Speaker 1>just went through a million people to you know where

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like they I don't know, it was, it was,

0:40:58.120 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting how it was, Like that was right

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>for the Harvey lind scene story came out and everybody

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I knew was very involved in it because I know

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 1>just a million people that have worked there or done

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>things there. Well, aren't you popular, No, it's just like

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>if you're you know, everyone in the indie film community

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 1>had like a relationship to this place in Los Angeles.

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 1>And then uh, it was so you know kind of

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>well it is the only place like that in l

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 1>A too, Like there's so many rep theaters and more

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>aren't house theaters in New York, but that was like

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>really a nexus for that in Los Angeles, aside Beverly,

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>which is also run by a perth. So right, So

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.439
<v Speaker 1>there were also people when that got shut down being like, well,

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 1>like the theater shouldn't get shut down, Like this is

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 1>like we're losing a valuable resource, which is like, well,

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>we can have new theaters run by people that like

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>won't exploit that power and you know, sexually harass employees. Yeah,

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 1>when you can't get when you can't let go of

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the legacy when it's gone that far in a bad direction.

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I think also there's a thing where it's like when

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you're a young girl and you're getting into an industry

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:00.839
<v Speaker 1>and you like desperately want to believe that people are

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>believing in you because of like your talent and not

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>because they want to hire you because you're like a

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>young girl. You know you will you will overlook a

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of behavioral any better. Also, I think out of

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>wishful thinking too. I mean, yeah, I think I think

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 1>that really hoping, hoping that whatever you suspect, whatever you

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>feel in your gut is going on, is not the case.

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.319
<v Speaker 1>And that was what was such a bummer about the

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Crick Felucy story to be is that these are young

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>girls who wanted to be animators and who you know,

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>one of them left the industry because she felt so

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, disturbed by what happened to her, and the

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 1>other one is an animator who's super talented. Um. But yeah,

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 1>just that like you know, they want they like if

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>you're a nerdy girl and some guy comes to you

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, hey, you're really cool, and like your

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>animation is really awesome, you know, and it's like some

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.879
<v Speaker 1>older guy you idolize. It's just it's like, you know,

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 1>when you're on the other side of it, you're like, oh,

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 1>of course that's a fund up power dynamic. But like,

0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 1>if you're a young fancocious and you want to think

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 1>of yourself as an adult, also, I just don't. Yeah,

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:05.879
<v Speaker 1>but you're like adult men take me seriously and then

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I hope that's what's happening. Hey, maybe not

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the lightest but necessary. Yeah, it's it's I think it's

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>a it's stuff we we we talked about a lot

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>off air, but I'm glad that we we got to it. Well.

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I think for everybody that like works in culture and

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>is thinking about all this stuff a lot, it's also

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>really dreaming and exhausting to think about and deal with.

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I think editors need to keep that in

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>mind when they're assigning stories to people, that they're not

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>always assigning traumatic events stories to people who already have

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the burden of thinking about that stuff a lot. Hey.

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And if you are assigning traumatic events stories or research

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>pieces that are going to be emotionally draining, pay people, yeah,

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>barely pay umfair. Also everybody scoop up everyone from up

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>rocks who got let go because they're all super super

0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>talented and you can easily find the threat on Twitter.

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>But um, some really great people lost their job last week,

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>so we're in the middle. I feel of another wave

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>of media apocalypse, which I don't know. We'll keep talking

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>about that to be continued. Yeah, there'll be more of that. UM. Well, well,

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