Speaker 1: It's two fifty two am at the Renaissance Pleasure Fair
Speaker 1: in Irwindale, California, and you're listening to Night Call. Hello everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Night Call, a podcast for your medieval
Speaker 1: days and Renaissance nights. I'm Molly Lambert, and here in
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Speaker 1: what a miserable situation. Speaking of being trapped in previous eras, Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us, I went to the Renaissance Fair again. How
Speaker 1: many times have you been? This is my second time.
Speaker 1: I went for the it's only your second time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went for the first time last year. Oh, kind
Speaker 1: of from my other podcast, North Mollywood. Because um, friend
Speaker 1: of our podcast, Jane Marie, it's a big unfair person
Speaker 1: and I hate medieval stuff, and she had convinced me
Speaker 1: that the Renfair would be my point of entry into
Speaker 1: understanding why people like medieval stuff. And she was right.
Speaker 1: Let me guess what she said. She was like, there's goats,
Speaker 1: and you were like, okay, I saw a bunch of
Speaker 1: pictures of you with goats, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: the draw. I didn't know there were goats the first time.
Speaker 1: And I was so delighted and surprised that there was
Speaker 1: a petting zoo, a very awesome petting zoo. Um. I
Speaker 1: think it was more like there's fried food and you
Speaker 1: can like stare at people, and I was like, in
Speaker 1: it's so hard to find that combination in America fried food,
Speaker 1: staring at people. Well you know, well you would love
Speaker 1: the Fulsome Street Fair. Yeah, I've always wanted to go
Speaker 1: to the Fulton Street Fair. Um. I like things like
Speaker 1: that as a as you all know, Emily and I
Speaker 1: went to Times Square a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 1: I was just walking around, just was so goofy and happy.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Renfair this year was so started
Speaker 1: it I knew, and so many people who were posting
Speaker 1: about it on their Instagram, Like I saw that, Andrew,
Speaker 1: you were there with Andrew with Kara Brown and Andrew
Speaker 1: t and reluctantly, well I love the Um well, I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't love it, but it like occurred to me.
Speaker 1: I haven't been to one of these forever and not
Speaker 1: since I was a kid. But Andrew was like, if
Speaker 1: one person tells me like, oh, a visitor from the East,
Speaker 1: you know that. But then, uh, you know. Part of
Speaker 1: my argument for why the California Runfair is cool it's
Speaker 1: it's way more diverse than should I expect from a unfair.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of just like a California thing.
Speaker 1: So there's like people dressed up in unfair stuff. But
Speaker 1: then there's also just people wearing like flip flops and
Speaker 1: T shirts and it's like pretty casual. What did you wear?
Speaker 1: So Andrew kind of he said, you know, like at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like he had he said,
Speaker 1: they were like way more Asian Americans there than he expected.
Speaker 1: Did he have fun? But he he did not have fun.
Speaker 1: What did you wear? I'm not feeling it. I wore no.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I wore like a regular outfit.
Speaker 1: I was kind of cold, actually, which was great because
Speaker 1: the first time I went it was a hundred and
Speaker 1: ten degrees and that was like a little hellish. So
Speaker 1: this was like a delightful, more English feeling because it
Speaker 1: was cold. Well, I mean as much as I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh god, you know, I cringe at the thought of
Speaker 1: renfairs because my mom would would would take them, take
Speaker 1: me to them when I was a kid. Wait, did
Speaker 1: you put on like a little Elizabethan outfit? I don't
Speaker 1: even remember what I wore. I was mostly mortified to
Speaker 1: be there, But now thinking about, like thinking back and
Speaker 1: are imagine going to another one? It kind of bums
Speaker 1: me out to imagine a renfair where like people are
Speaker 1: wearing flip flops, like if you're going to do a
Speaker 1: bit commit to it, like playing like it's very just
Speaker 1: so cal. There's like a k rock booth at the
Speaker 1: front that was playing pop punk as you enter. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of like raiders over Blink two.
Speaker 1: Yeah you Link eight two and just like it's it's
Speaker 1: always been anachronistic and it's actually it's the first Renaissance
Speaker 1: fair ever? Is this one? Really? Yeah? Really? Yeah. It
Speaker 1: was a bunch of like medieval academics who would have
Speaker 1: dinners in l a and do like cosplay and be like,
Speaker 1: let's have a night's ladies dinner. And then they were
Speaker 1: like wouldn't it be fun if everyone could join? And
Speaker 1: they started throwing it and they invented like the template
Speaker 1: of the Rent Fair, which also Andrew was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just like a carnival that's like medieval themed, is it.
Speaker 1: You can buy crafts and stuff, you can watch somebody
Speaker 1: like Black Smithery. Yeah, there are ridest Yeah, there's rides,
Speaker 1: and the rides are really low tech, which is kind
Speaker 1: of cool. Um. We were there with the Jane's kid
Speaker 1: who's really cool and she was just like super stow
Speaker 1: for these rides that are like they put you on
Speaker 1: like a dragon Viking boat and just kind of push
Speaker 1: you back and forth, you know, but like for little kids,
Speaker 1: are like, this is amazing. And there's one really anachronistic
Speaker 1: great ride that's just a giant waiting pool full of
Speaker 1: those bubbles you can go inside. Wait, excuse me, like
Speaker 1: a hamsterball to like a hamster ball for kids, but
Speaker 1: like maybe only kids can fit in. And there's just
Speaker 1: like a giant wading pool full of them with kids
Speaker 1: just like bubble ball sounds so dangerous, but you know
Speaker 1: it was. It's actually based on a medieval sport, the
Speaker 1: amster bubble ball, where the fittest children survived and they
Speaker 1: were they moved on to the next round. I like
Speaker 1: every time they missed. It was. It was really fun
Speaker 1: to go. You know. I'm just like enchanted by everything.
Speaker 1: And Andrew and Kara were definitely way more skeptical. Carol
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, like I don't really
Speaker 1: want to live in any other time. I don't really
Speaker 1: maybe I was yeah, and then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what would your like, what is your ideal fair, you know,
Speaker 1: like what what would be a theme you would be into?
Speaker 1: And we were kind of talking about that I feel
Speaker 1: like we've never really reached a conclusion of your era
Speaker 1: or just like what you know. Besides, because I was like,
Speaker 1: there should be more fairs, like not just renaissance you
Speaker 1: go to in Egypt fair, That's what I said. I
Speaker 1: was like, really, I'd like ancient Egypt land that the
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Speaker 1: you will ever have. I mean the fairs I like,
Speaker 1: honestly now thinking back on it is like a good
Speaker 1: state fair. I love. I've never been to the state
Speaker 1: fair fair themed fair. I used to go to the
Speaker 1: Goshen Fair and go I think Goshen. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's even New York or Connecticut, because it's where
Speaker 1: everything meets that part of New England where you're like
Speaker 1: where am I England? In New England? Goshen Fair And
Speaker 1: it was a lot of like drink the milk from
Speaker 1: the cow and like guess how much the pig way? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably enjoyed that. Even it was SuperFect great. I mean,
Speaker 1: we love to the Renaissance Fair. Somebody was holding like
Speaker 1: a cut off pig's head and we were all a
Speaker 1: little bit like, I don't know about that. That yeah, this, um,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I grew up in Iowa, where like the
Speaker 1: State Fair in Iowa was like the musical State Fair
Speaker 1: is based on that state Fair, Like it was like
Speaker 1: the mother of all state fairs for a long time.
Speaker 1: Of the Iowa State Fair is that like where they
Speaker 1: make sculptures out of butter and stuffing it is that
Speaker 1: is the home of the butter cow um and many
Speaker 1: other butter things. Uh, and I mean all of the
Speaker 1: I just loved after I kind of got a little
Speaker 1: too old to just go for rides, I would just
Speaker 1: love going to all the craft halls and seeing everybody's
Speaker 1: like incredible quilts and stuff like I got really quilts
Speaker 1: every time I would go to the fares because I
Speaker 1: was like, look at how much time people spent on this,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like so heartwarming to see like
Speaker 1: all these moms across our little state, like you know,
Speaker 1: when and baked all these fancy pies or made a
Speaker 1: fancy quilt or something. It's very it's very sweet. I
Speaker 1: like also like a little feminist because it's like, look
Speaker 1: at all these art forms that yeah, never get value,
Speaker 1: like baking home baking, and we can come up on
Speaker 1: stage and like get a ribbon or a trophy or whatever,
Speaker 1: like baking and for like sewing and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: At night quilt and we should make a night called
Speaker 1: night quilt contest. We had at our high school. There
Speaker 1: was like some some like throwback count fair type events
Speaker 1: that it just makes me think of stand by me,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that too. No piating contest will not make
Speaker 1: me think of all the throwing up. That's a real,
Speaker 1: real in every inaction of that happened at our high school. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make you, but I will just
Speaker 1: say it was exactly the same. Oh it sounds horrible.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a state fair and fair in
Speaker 1: general thing I will never be able to enjoy again.
Speaker 1: I mean, the ren fairest fun. You guys should go. Uh.
Speaker 1: I drink a breakfast beer, which I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever done. Is that I don't know that something kept
Speaker 1: calling it. Are you sure it wasn't just because you
Speaker 1: were drinking a beer in the morning. I was just
Speaker 1: in the morning. It wasn't like a coffee flavored stout.
Speaker 1: Andrew ordered a guinness and he was like, I'd like
Speaker 1: to try one of these Irish beers. I've been the colonies,
Speaker 1: fetch me one of those. Also, the people working the
Speaker 1: beer booth are so drunk. Yeah, or it's a little
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it ends at seven too. I
Speaker 1: could see where it would get a little sloppy after hours,
Speaker 1: but it's fun. It's fun for a little bit. Is
Speaker 1: it going on so by the time you hear this
Speaker 1: podcast it will be over? No, I think it goes
Speaker 1: like it goes into the month. I think through everybody
Speaker 1: check it out. Um, it's a big, big fun thing
Speaker 1: to do for a little bit. Shout out to Irwin Dale,
Speaker 1: big fun thing to do for a little well. Also,
Speaker 1: like the place where it is is like this big
Speaker 1: fake lake that is really cool. Um, that just kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of Zodiac, reminds me of the beach
Speaker 1: that they go to and Treeless. Yeah, it's like one
Speaker 1: of those weird California like we gotta put something in
Speaker 1: this place for people to hear in it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a giant track of the park. Seems like a
Speaker 1: cool place to go not at through unfair well speaking
Speaker 1: of scodiac and then going off that, yeah, good transition
Speaker 1: speaking for things that span California and are spooky. Well
Speaker 1: you're not gonna say. Okay, So they found they found
Speaker 1: who they think is the Golden State Killer, which is
Speaker 1: now old news maybe, but Joseph James D'Angelo, who was
Speaker 1: seventy two I think, was apprehended in Sacramento after he
Speaker 1: was tracked down using a genealogy website. They found his
Speaker 1: um extended family members who had joined the site, and
Speaker 1: then they were able to find this guy. And uh,
Speaker 1: it was interesting because it raised a lot of privacy
Speaker 1: concerns obviously, So the website that they used was g
Speaker 1: e d Match, which is open source and doesn't have
Speaker 1: the same privacy restrictions as UM ancestry, dot com and
Speaker 1: twenty three and me. So they're the police may have
Speaker 1: been more limited if they had used one of those sites.
Speaker 1: We don't know if they tried to use those sites
Speaker 1: and then ended up using g d match because there
Speaker 1: were less um safeguards in place. But what's interesting, Like
Speaker 1: my first thought, and I really want to hear what
Speaker 1: you guys have to say about this. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: how could that really be used to? Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: they caught a serial rapist and serial killers, so in
Speaker 1: a way like privacy seems like an afterthought. But then
Speaker 1: I started spinning out about the different ways that that
Speaker 1: could go wrong. What do you guys think? Well, I
Speaker 1: would love you to tell everyone what you told me
Speaker 1: before we started recording that you were watching The handmaid
Speaker 1: and Tale Handmaids I keep saying, I always because it
Speaker 1: makes me thing about the Handmaiden, which is also really
Speaker 1: good better. Also, you're in that renfair zones. You're like,
Speaker 1: let's just make it a maiden. I was telling Molly that.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching season two of The Handmaid's Tale, which
Speaker 1: is really good but also just so scary. I just
Speaker 1: feel like I can't submit myself to it. It's like
Speaker 1: too much. In the future, you'll be forced to subscription.
Speaker 1: It really shows kind of if you're unhappy with the
Speaker 1: politics in this country, which I think uh I am
Speaker 1: at least, but watching why What's wrong? Why? What could
Speaker 1: be wrong? What could an? Kanye Um I just made
Speaker 1: test listen to the new Kanye songs and I took
Speaker 1: little videos of her reactions. She did um one of
Speaker 1: them she just started face probleming really hard. At a
Speaker 1: certain point, it's just hard. I mean, I love Kanye,
Speaker 1: but it's I can't continue our relationship anymore. At this point,
Speaker 1: I have to take a breather. It's just too much.
Speaker 1: And I love t I, so at least that was
Speaker 1: like a nice foothold there. But I found the first
Speaker 1: season of Handmade's Tale to be much easier to watch
Speaker 1: because I think at that point I still had a
Speaker 1: lot of optimism that, um, by this point in time,
Speaker 1: we would not still be here, but we are. So
Speaker 1: the second season is kind of intense. But I was
Speaker 1: watching it and then was reading on I think tech Crunch.
Speaker 1: A couple of days ago they posted um a thing
Speaker 1: about the Golden State killer and the privacy concerns, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, how could this be really catastrophic?
Speaker 1: And it takes a lot of mental gymnastics, is not
Speaker 1: doesn't seem at all plausible. But if you wanted to
Speaker 1: freak yourself out, you could think about if abortion were
Speaker 1: made illegal and if um the idiot that got fired
Speaker 1: from the Atlantic for saying that women who had had
Speaker 1: abortions should be hanged, and you know, Mike Pence got
Speaker 1: together in a little room and decided that that was
Speaker 1: going to become law. Then of course, um, if you'd
Speaker 1: had an abortion for any reason, you could theoretically be
Speaker 1: tracked down via your family members who were registered on
Speaker 1: an ancestry site and hanged. So I'm just saying, worst
Speaker 1: case scenario, that could be a way that privacy concerns
Speaker 1: would be valid. But I was like, I guess you
Speaker 1: also have to start thinking very carefully about how this
Speaker 1: could be used against certain groups of people, Like about that.
Speaker 1: I've been very skeptical of twenty three and me because
Speaker 1: like somebody that I follow on Twitter was talking about like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it totally could be used for eugenics. That's
Speaker 1: basically like it's a record of people's ethnicities. You know.
Speaker 1: It feels like if there's an analogy where like Facebook
Speaker 1: was laying down the infrastructure for you know, the last
Speaker 1: presidential election or something that I kind of I can
Speaker 1: imagine a scenario in which three and me and all
Speaker 1: these other sites are laying down the infrastructure for something
Speaker 1: that I don't even want to think about. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I obviously this is not like new that tech and
Speaker 1: eugenics are connected. Because IBM did all the punch cards
Speaker 1: for the duck camps and the Holocaust, And it's interesting
Speaker 1: to think about IBM as a company that has this
Speaker 1: like super dark history that just any company that like
Speaker 1: does something really fucked up, and then it's like, let's
Speaker 1: not think about it, because obviously a lot of companies
Speaker 1: that involved Nazis keep coming up one night call like
Speaker 1: every time I'm at a shoe store. Now I'm like
Speaker 1: a little bit like side eyeing myself for wanting Adidas.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I shouldn't buy Adidas anymore. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't want lots of other shoe brands. The sauces at
Speaker 1: the Renfair, I was like, you know, now seems like
Speaker 1: not the time to get into Celtic jewelry, you know,
Speaker 1: like definitely something I like have liked in the past
Speaker 1: or been like, oh, it's you know fine, But I'm like, nope,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't think jewelry. But your snob
Speaker 1: about medieval stuff. Yes, I'm Irish American, Obviously I don't
Speaker 1: trust those Brits. No. I went to the Irish Fair,
Speaker 1: which was an Irish theme Renaissance fair at Lake Balboa.
Speaker 1: So while I've never been to the Renaissance fair. I
Speaker 1: totally went to a Renaissance fair that just had like
Speaker 1: more pan flute. I want to say, druids and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nights and lords and I don't care about I'm not
Speaker 1: into royalism. I'm into like, you know, veganism. Oh you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Can you hold? Is it okay if
Speaker 1: I go for five minutes? I'm okay? Sorry, Yeah, it's hey.
Speaker 1: Is she gone? I think she's gone? Um, you know
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Speaker 1: I think she's coming back. I would go to a
Speaker 1: wicker Man fast that would be I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: that's burning you know it. Though I would totally go
Speaker 1: to Burning Man if it weren't in the desert. The
Speaker 1: fact that it's you love the desert when that kind
Speaker 1: I've always said, like I would like to go to
Speaker 1: like wet Man. Yeah, man, I feel like Ben is
Speaker 1: into that. But it's the inside joke from a different podcast.
Speaker 1: That's that's where um I feel like. So so there's
Speaker 1: um there's a film critic Um David Earl who I'm
Speaker 1: friends with, and he recently did a UM I want
Speaker 1: to say it was thirty five hour long marathon of
Speaker 1: all of the Marvel movies like leading up to Avengers,
Speaker 1: if any were that they high here at the AMC
Speaker 1: and UM in Times Square and he hates he hates
Speaker 1: the Avengers movies. And he did it like basically he
Speaker 1: did it like the way that people do runs like
Speaker 1: um where you can like raise money for a cause.
Speaker 1: So um, like the more people donated, the more he
Speaker 1: would like double down on it like we're an a
Speaker 1: vendor's T shirt or something to it. Just and he
Speaker 1: was raising money for every town the like gun anti
Speaker 1: gun violence. UM. And I haven't actually checked in with him.
Speaker 1: I don't know how if he survived. Actually I think
Speaker 1: he survived. I think I have evidence of him surviving.
Speaker 1: But I think that we should do that but for
Speaker 1: burning man, like see how long we can get Molly
Speaker 1: to stay in the desert um and every every day,
Speaker 1: every successive day, more money from lose me for what
Speaker 1: did she ever do to you? Emily? I want to go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I was thinking too, is like where Emily and
Speaker 1: I and probably not Tess would really like to go
Speaker 1: is Electric Daisy Carnival in Las Vegas, because it's like
Speaker 1: a Renfair. That's eat, It's an E. D. M Fair.
Speaker 1: Well now now, I mean since our last podcast, I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like we almost can't revisit the
Speaker 1: well anymore. I almost feel like it would feel like
Speaker 1: I was just chasing a dragon indefinitely. But I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: you know where you can chase some dragons. I gotta
Speaker 1: one of the big new and things that the Renfair was.
Speaker 1: Everybody had what I first thought were animatronic dragons on
Speaker 1: their shoulders, and they are you know, they turned out
Speaker 1: they were puppets, really good puppets that were designed by
Speaker 1: designed by this guy who designed Admiral akbar Uh Dobby,
Speaker 1: the House Elf and some of the Labyrinth creatures. And
Speaker 1: they were like totally looked like that, like all of
Speaker 1: those things, and they were like little shoulder dragon puppets
Speaker 1: and all these But who's opera? How do you control it?
Speaker 1: You have like a little um squeeze thing you use,
Speaker 1: and these people had it cleverly hidden inside their costumes.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was an animatronic that just like
Speaker 1: moved its head back and forth. But it was, actually,
Speaker 1: that's offen that you could control. And my friend's kid
Speaker 1: got one and she was so stoked and she needed
Speaker 1: to go go to the Goblin. That's awesome. I think
Speaker 1: other people's enthusiasm for stuff always makes me excited. I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're having such a good time. But also Andrew was like,
Speaker 1: they're so desperate for like attention. Everybody is just like, please, sir. Sound.
Speaker 1: I know we got like way off topic and went
Speaker 1: back to talking about the Rent Fair again. But I
Speaker 1: actually have some questions about the Golden State Killer because
Speaker 1: I don't really I didn't really know about that Golden
Speaker 1: State did until the book came out. And uh, they're
Speaker 1: saying that that's not why they caught him, but it
Speaker 1: obviously seems like it drummed up in the case. It's
Speaker 1: really awful how they haven't. I mean, she got so
Speaker 1: little credit from law enforcement, which is curious because I
Speaker 1: mean this she she put so much work into it.
Speaker 1: I've I ordered the book, but I haven't read it yet.
Speaker 1: Everyone I know who's read it says it's incredible. Obviously
Speaker 1: this was finished posthumously. I think she co wrote it
Speaker 1: with journalist. I watched the forty eight hour special, which
Speaker 1: was really good and yeah, I mean it is crazy.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about he was like a rapist
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. He did it was Sacramento, and
Speaker 1: then he went north and south right, he ended up
Speaker 1: in southern California, and then he murdered a bunch of
Speaker 1: people in southern California, which is why he's called original.
Speaker 1: Night Stalker is one of his names because he predates
Speaker 1: the night stalker. Correct. I think his first crime was
Speaker 1: maybe in night um. Yeah, so, and then he they
Speaker 1: when they were initially profiling him, they said that he
Speaker 1: would not stop that they thought he would not stop
Speaker 1: committing crimes until he was dead or in prison. So
Speaker 1: at a certain point they hypothesized that he had been
Speaker 1: jailed for something else. Um, but apparently not. Didn't it
Speaker 1: maybe match up though he like took a job or
Speaker 1: had kids or something. He was a former police officer.
Speaker 1: He was either in the Navy or the Marines or something,
Speaker 1: and then he was a police officer and he was
Speaker 1: fired from the force because he stole a can of
Speaker 1: dog repellent and something else, maybe a hammer. Um. I
Speaker 1: did a lot of reading on it, but it all
Speaker 1: just like kind of washed over. Me because I was
Speaker 1: aware at some point I was like, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to look into all the like horrible California crimes. And obviously,
Speaker 1: Um he was very prolific and he you know, he
Speaker 1: tortured his victims. He was really sadistic UM and he
Speaker 1: you know, targeted couples and uh and women and he
Speaker 1: was kind of striking. I think at one point he
Speaker 1: was he had one victim a month. So for Sacramento,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was kind of like as soon as
Speaker 1: it was dark, everybody would get really freaked out. If
Speaker 1: women were home alone, they'd be particularly freaked out. And
Speaker 1: after the zodiac, right, so it's like that's what I'm
Speaker 1: not sure about. You said I started in the seven.
Speaker 1: I think it started in sevent zodiac start with in
Speaker 1: the late sixties. But just it does feel like it's
Speaker 1: like the man do you think everybody? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because like at least inspired by maybe not a direct copycat,
Speaker 1: but like a good question. Like it's like, how were
Speaker 1: there so many killers that are in northern California? It
Speaker 1: just feels like in southern and there's that feeling like
Speaker 1: the thing about the Manson murders that everybody talks about.
Speaker 1: Is like after the Manson murders, everybody was just like
Speaker 1: so paranoid and freaked out for like years afterwards, because
Speaker 1: it's like, even if nothing happens, everybody's like close lock
Speaker 1: all your doors at night, and like if you're alone
Speaker 1: in a area, you know. So I just looked it up,
Speaker 1: by the way, and so it was from seventy six
Speaker 1: to eighty six, and he killed twelve people and raped
Speaker 1: at least forty five and burglarized more than a and
Speaker 1: he's so terrible. So he's known as the Easterea Rapist,
Speaker 1: the Diamond not Killer, and the Original night Stalker, which
Speaker 1: is why some people refer to him as Eurons, which
Speaker 1: is like Easter Area rapists slash Original night Stoker. Right,
Speaker 1: those are like the message boards. Uh, but you know,
Speaker 1: I saw some people online being, oh, we shouldn't give
Speaker 1: these serial killers like nicknames. It glamorizes them too much.
Speaker 1: But then I heard somebody else tell me that apparently
Speaker 1: giving them nicknames help people get caught, because it like
Speaker 1: sticks in people's minds if there's a nickname and something
Speaker 1: about that, like when you give you know, give a
Speaker 1: it just gives it like a narrative the couple can understand.
Speaker 1: The grim Sleeper was one of the ones that I
Speaker 1: got really interested in the l A Weekly, the when
Speaker 1: the l A Weekly was the l A Weekly before
Speaker 1: it was the VC l A Weekly. Um, they did
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing coverage about the grim Sleeper, who
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons all weeklies are so important
Speaker 1: and why what happened to the l A Weekly sucks
Speaker 1: so bad, um, is that all weekly report on local
Speaker 1: stories the national papers would never report on, and especially
Speaker 1: like things like the grim Sleeper who was targeting a
Speaker 1: lot of sex workers, people that didn't have, you know,
Speaker 1: families to advocate for them, or also in areas of
Speaker 1: l A where there wasn't a huge police presence and
Speaker 1: it was really hard to you know, for families to
Speaker 1: advocate for you know, deeper investor, here's the police presence
Speaker 1: and they just don't give a fund. All. That's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And obviously the fact that the Golden State killer was
Speaker 1: a cop, you know, ties into a lot of other
Speaker 1: things happening now of like, hey, maybe we can all
Speaker 1: admit that like a lot of sociopathic people become cops
Speaker 1: because they want to kill a lot of People One
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Speaker 1: it did feel like this week was sort of like, uh,
Speaker 1: like a couple of glimmers of hope, you know, like
Speaker 1: this guy maybe getting caught. And then also the Bill
Speaker 1: Cosby verdict came out and I think everyone I was surprised,
Speaker 1: I know, and so jaded about things like this, especially
Speaker 1: about sexual assault. But I wonder if he'll spend any
Speaker 1: time in jail. You know, the fact that it happened
Speaker 1: at all. I'm still just like, wow, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe things can change, and maybe all the people that
Speaker 1: are like nothing will ever change because it's in their
Speaker 1: interest to feel that nothing will ever change. You know.
Speaker 1: That's just like, I mean, it is kind of incredible
Speaker 1: that between the first trial and the second trial that
Speaker 1: there was just such a huge cultural change and me
Speaker 1: too happened. And then to see you know, the victims
Speaker 1: crying in the courtroom after the verdict had been read
Speaker 1: was pretty well, that was yeah. I mean that New
Speaker 1: York magazine cover was really big obviously because of just
Speaker 1: that image of like, oh, here's how many people are
Speaker 1: being just completely discounted because the famous guy doesn't want
Speaker 1: to get in trouble for being such a up. It's
Speaker 1: so weird that now we think about everything about like
Speaker 1: pre imposed me too. I guess that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the power of a a hashtag or a name for
Speaker 1: some or name of a movement or something like that.
Speaker 1: But like that, it was so there was such a
Speaker 1: run up to like until we knew how to like
Speaker 1: organize and talk about a problem like that, and that
Speaker 1: was a huge part of it. Yeah, I think acknowledging
Speaker 1: it was part of the part of the issue because
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people were in denial.
Speaker 1: You know, definitely I did not know how bad like
Speaker 1: things were. Oh my god, I know, you know. Also
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, hopefully the next stuff for this
Speaker 1: is for states to reconsider the statute of limitations for rapes.
Speaker 1: I know that I think California is reconsidering that. But obviously,
Speaker 1: with Weinstein and Cosby, that was an issue that kind
Speaker 1: of made it more difficult to prosecute. Obviously Andrea Constant
Speaker 1: was the only person who could bring anything against Cosby,
Speaker 1: and yet there were so many women who you know,
Speaker 1: had gone through this well, had identical stories exactly exactly
Speaker 1: not like totally identical, but some of the details of
Speaker 1: like his method of operating, we're so similar from story
Speaker 1: to story, um, which is like a thing you see
Speaker 1: across all these guys, especially powerful guys, who like are
Speaker 1: in a position where they can just have a protocol
Speaker 1: and just operated over and over, and a lot of them,
Speaker 1: uh seem to not be able to stop talking about
Speaker 1: it afterwards. Like what I kept saying about all these
Speaker 1: like guys coming back after times up, you know, they're
Speaker 1: like they don't even understand that you should hide out
Speaker 1: for a few years so you can construct a believable
Speaker 1: redemption narrative. They're just like, Okay, six months have gone by,
Speaker 1: everyone's forgotten all the bad ship I did here I
Speaker 1: am again. Well, so wait, you were tweeting about this?
Speaker 1: Who do we so Louis c K. There was a
Speaker 1: like a bunch of comeback articles. There's one about Louis
Speaker 1: c K. There's one about Rose, and there's one Charlie
Speaker 1: Rose is going to host a show apparently where he's
Speaker 1: man who've been victimized by the times of movement. And
Speaker 1: James Franco had like a fleff piece like he's turning forty,
Speaker 1: like he's really you know, he's not going out much
Speaker 1: these days. Yeah, that's so sad, gee right, I mean
Speaker 1: the like Hollywood Reporter has been doing a lot of
Speaker 1: irresponsible ship lately, and that they did the one on
Speaker 1: on Louis c k uh like talking about it wasn't
Speaker 1: even like a reported piece. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: just like it was just like comedy clubs. And I
Speaker 1: got really piste off about that because I got an
Speaker 1: argue my friend about it where I was like, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to we don't have to let that happen.
Speaker 1: Apparently he's been I've heard from people he's just been
Speaker 1: at comedy seller like every night, just watching but not
Speaker 1: going up. And it feels like people New York say
Speaker 1: they've seen him like lurking around bookstores and movie theaters
Speaker 1: and like testing the waters of like being out in
Speaker 1: New York. Do I not get booed out of the
Speaker 1: like bookstore or whatever. But it's like most people, like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't like boo Louis c k out
Speaker 1: of a bookstore and just be like go home, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are saying that if
Speaker 1: you do things, even if they're criminal, even if you
Speaker 1: know you cross lines and you've proven yourself to be
Speaker 1: a horrible person. I don't think any of us is
Speaker 1: saying like that you should just disappear necessarily. But I
Speaker 1: do think that there's that the amount of time in exile,
Speaker 1: so to speak, is so short. I mean, the Louis
Speaker 1: Ka allegations had been going on for so long. He
Speaker 1: had been kind of avoiding talking about them, not totally denying,
Speaker 1: but just saying, well, that's gossip. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't know if he actually there was a that
Speaker 1: weird thing, and I think Gawker where he was power
Speaker 1: to be like, well, he knew he was doing it,
Speaker 1: and all the women he did it too, knew he
Speaker 1: was doing it obviously, but it sounded as though he
Speaker 1: kind of tried his best to not outwardly deny but
Speaker 1: at the same time to kind of gaslight the women.
Speaker 1: It was all part of some like sociopathic kick where
Speaker 1: it was. I mean that he clearly got off on
Speaker 1: almost getting caught all the time, which is I think
Speaker 1: it happens for a lot of these dudes. It's like
Speaker 1: they like getting away with it, but also like if
Speaker 1: nobody noticedes they're getting away with it, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should make it like more and more flagrant each time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in an ideal world, what you
Speaker 1: would want is for someone to step aside long enough
Speaker 1: to let other people, maybe even women rise and to
Speaker 1: help women, you know, to help women without seeing this
Speaker 1: kind of That's how I feel Also about like the
Speaker 1: John Krick Flusi story that came out, which was such
Speaker 1: a breaking John kues a pedophile. We didn't talk about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the renaissimpy guy, and they were just all these
Speaker 1: stories about he dated teenagers, and the teenagers just like
Speaker 1: openly to like like work, they worked for him, like
Speaker 1: in the studio, like they were interns or something, but
Speaker 1: they were also his girlfriends, which is just he wasn't
Speaker 1: even trying to train it. Uh yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was horrible, and it was another one of the stories.
Speaker 1: We were like, oh and also like a lot of
Speaker 1: people knew, and we're like unknowingly complicit or knowingly complicit,
Speaker 1: cause they were just like, well that's the boss. Like well,
Speaker 1: including the sources for the story for the BuzzFeed story,
Speaker 1: they were like, well, I guess this was going on
Speaker 1: along and I guess now probably m I think kind
Speaker 1: of either stepped away from him or tried to distance
Speaker 1: themselves because they felt so uncomfortable. But yeah, nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: really stepped up, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: took responsibility for not stepping up and saying like at
Speaker 1: some at some point, the girls felt bad about it
Speaker 1: because they were like, I idolized him and then he
Speaker 1: took advantage of me, but like you know, they were,
Speaker 1: it's so fucked. It was so bad. The BuzzFeed story
Speaker 1: was we all read it around the same time we
Speaker 1: had been thinking about I think talking about it on
Speaker 1: the podcast for a while. Came out March twenty nine
Speaker 1: and it was called the Disturbing Secret behind an Iconic
Speaker 1: Carts and just all these stories, I mean, all these dudes.
Speaker 1: I guess what ultimately it comes down to is like
Speaker 1: the lengths people are willing to go to like protect
Speaker 1: some guy that they think is talented versus like all
Speaker 1: the women that they do funked up ship too if
Speaker 1: as long as those women are like not famous, And
Speaker 1: that's been a criticism of the me too movement is like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if these women weren't famous white actresses, would
Speaker 1: anyone care? You know? The way it's getting covered is
Speaker 1: and of course a lot of them are not famous
Speaker 1: actresses or famous cartoonists because a lot of them can't
Speaker 1: really stand to work in an industry with a person
Speaker 1: who Tandy Newton, who's awesome, like said something about just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really asked to go to me too, and
Speaker 1: like I've been speaking out about this for like a
Speaker 1: billion years already. Yeah, oh sorry, times up, not me too,
Speaker 1: times up, And she was like yeah, like I didn't
Speaker 1: get invited at these meetings, but like you know, it's
Speaker 1: because I'm not like hot enough as an actress. So
Speaker 1: it's also crazy because she's on this world but it
Speaker 1: was like film actresses only. So I think there are
Speaker 1: probably also dudes that are hoping these movements will just
Speaker 1: sort of like eat themselves, you know that, like it'll
Speaker 1: it'll devolve into in fighting and then just die down.
Speaker 1: So uh, that won't happen. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think people are going to get unpiste off about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what what's truly interesting about this
Speaker 1: is that with m Cosby, obviously that cover photo of
Speaker 1: the victims and just seeing this year a number of
Speaker 1: them was really striking. And then with the Krick Feluci thing, um,
Speaker 1: the BuzzFeed story had pictures that he had taken of
Speaker 1: his girlfriends and they were so young, I mean like
Speaker 1: they were children, and like the thing was that nobody
Speaker 1: was even being like like people usually doing people day
Speaker 1: teenagers were like, oh, you know, she looked much older,
Speaker 1: like you would never know. It was like you see
Speaker 1: any you're like that is a kid. And also I
Speaker 1: think if you were like a cool girl kid who
Speaker 1: like watched her and stimpy. It's such a bummer because
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I was like a thirteen year old
Speaker 1: on AO well and like if any of my heroes
Speaker 1: had like targeted me, like that's like the ao L
Speaker 1: conversations just like, oh, such a bummer. And I think
Speaker 1: also the other thing that's a bummer about about um
Speaker 1: Krick flucy is just like I think it's a bummer
Speaker 1: anytime you see somebody does something like subversive or weird
Speaker 1: and you want to believe that you like, you know,
Speaker 1: like especially something I run in simply that like obviously
Speaker 1: had like a lot of parents groups or something up
Speaker 1: in arms and a lot of people, you know, like
Speaker 1: it was it was deemed you know, gross or something,
Speaker 1: and you want to believe that that any charge against
Speaker 1: like somebody's character who would make something weird or or
Speaker 1: subversive or something would not turn out to be true.
Speaker 1: That like you can be like chill and also make
Speaker 1: weird gross stuff sometimes and it's totally okay or like
Speaker 1: stuff that feels a little bit pervy, but like also
Speaker 1: not be an actual uh predator. Um. And I think
Speaker 1: it's just a bummer when your faith and people to
Speaker 1: be pervy and challenging and subversive, but also not a
Speaker 1: creep like it's it's I'm also like always horrified by
Speaker 1: just like how easy it is for people to leverage
Speaker 1: power in those situations, like no matter how niche the
Speaker 1: interest is, you know, yeah, like all all animation, like
Speaker 1: of course there's going to be like uh, you know,
Speaker 1: revival and art movie house theaters, which happened to different
Speaker 1: as in a family in Los Angeles saying at the
Speaker 1: Alamo Draft House, Uh, you know where predators are being protected. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you're like and people would just be like wait,
Speaker 1: but like it's an art house movie theater and it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, but like if you get a bunch of
Speaker 1: people that are really want to work in an art
Speaker 1: house movie theater and you're the guy in charge, like
Speaker 1: of course you're you could exploit that power, and it's
Speaker 1: like on you not to do so. And there's also
Speaker 1: a thing where it's like no. But I do think
Speaker 1: there's something about like alternative workplaces because I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about this a lot in terms of like how two
Speaker 1: thousands vice kind of normalize a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: then turned into the all right, you know just of
Speaker 1: like oh, if you were offended, then like you're sucking uncool,
Speaker 1: you know, and just like all this like oh, we're
Speaker 1: breaking rules at work, like we're smoking weed inside and
Speaker 1: like getting drunk during the day, and then how it
Speaker 1: like normalizes kind of like oh, let's just break other
Speaker 1: rules that like are in place for a reason, like
Speaker 1: sexual misconduct codes. Well, also with I think with Sinni
Speaker 1: family maybe most notably, there was also this thing of
Speaker 1: like everybody's working because they love it, and people aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily being paid fairly, and also they're being worked so
Speaker 1: hard that they're staying and you know, they were like
Speaker 1: staying very very late. You know, like it was kind
Speaker 1: of like well the perks or that you could do
Speaker 1: whatever you wanted and you had this very very casual atmosphere,
Speaker 1: but you were also like really trying to prove yourself,
Speaker 1: and so it created a lot of opportunities for someone
Speaker 1: who didn't have the best interests of their employees at
Speaker 1: heart to take advantage of that. Yeah, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: I know who worked there has talked about how it
Speaker 1: was like a really culti atmosphere and how there was
Speaker 1: a lot of like fear of going against you know,
Speaker 1: the lying that was happening, right, it was, and they
Speaker 1: just went through a million people to you know where
Speaker 1: it's like they I don't know, it was, it was,
Speaker 1: But it's interesting how it was, Like that was right
Speaker 1: for the Harvey lind scene story came out and everybody
Speaker 1: I knew was very involved in it because I know
Speaker 1: just a million people that have worked there or done
Speaker 1: things there. Well, aren't you popular, No, it's just like
Speaker 1: if you're you know, everyone in the indie film community
Speaker 1: had like a relationship to this place in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: And then uh, it was so you know kind of
Speaker 1: well it is the only place like that in l
Speaker 1: A too, Like there's so many rep theaters and more
Speaker 1: aren't house theaters in New York, but that was like
Speaker 1: really a nexus for that in Los Angeles, aside Beverly,
Speaker 1: which is also run by a perth. So right, So
Speaker 1: there were also people when that got shut down being like, well,
Speaker 1: like the theater shouldn't get shut down, Like this is
Speaker 1: like we're losing a valuable resource, which is like, well,
Speaker 1: we can have new theaters run by people that like
Speaker 1: won't exploit that power and you know, sexually harass employees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you can't get when you can't let go of
Speaker 1: the legacy when it's gone that far in a bad direction.
Speaker 1: I think also there's a thing where it's like when
Speaker 1: you're a young girl and you're getting into an industry
Speaker 1: and you like desperately want to believe that people are
Speaker 1: believing in you because of like your talent and not
Speaker 1: because they want to hire you because you're like a
Speaker 1: young girl. You know you will you will overlook a
Speaker 1: lot of behavioral any better. Also, I think out of
Speaker 1: wishful thinking too. I mean, yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: that really hoping, hoping that whatever you suspect, whatever you
Speaker 1: feel in your gut is going on, is not the case.
Speaker 1: And that was what was such a bummer about the
Speaker 1: Crick Felucy story to be is that these are young
Speaker 1: girls who wanted to be animators and who you know,
Speaker 1: one of them left the industry because she felt so
Speaker 1: you know, disturbed by what happened to her, and the
Speaker 1: other one is an animator who's super talented. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just that like you know, they want they like if
Speaker 1: you're a nerdy girl and some guy comes to you
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, you're really cool, and like your
Speaker 1: animation is really awesome, you know, and it's like some
Speaker 1: older guy you idolize. It's just it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're on the other side of it, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course that's a fund up power dynamic. But like,
Speaker 1: if you're a young fancocious and you want to think
Speaker 1: of yourself as an adult, also, I just don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're like adult men take me seriously and then
Speaker 1: you're like, I hope that's what's happening. Hey, maybe not
Speaker 1: the lightest but necessary. Yeah, it's it's I think it's
Speaker 1: a it's stuff we we we talked about a lot
Speaker 1: off air, but I'm glad that we we got to it. Well.
Speaker 1: I think for everybody that like works in culture and
Speaker 1: is thinking about all this stuff a lot, it's also
Speaker 1: really dreaming and exhausting to think about and deal with.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think editors need to keep that in
Speaker 1: mind when they're assigning stories to people, that they're not
Speaker 1: always assigning traumatic events stories to people who already have
Speaker 1: the burden of thinking about that stuff a lot. Hey.
Speaker 1: And if you are assigning traumatic events stories or research
Speaker 1: pieces that are going to be emotionally draining, pay people, yeah,
Speaker 1: barely pay umfair. Also everybody scoop up everyone from up
Speaker 1: rocks who got let go because they're all super super
Speaker 1: talented and you can easily find the threat on Twitter.
Speaker 1: But um, some really great people lost their job last week,
Speaker 1: so we're in the middle. I feel of another wave
Speaker 1: of media apocalypse, which I don't know. We'll keep talking
Speaker 1: about that to be continued. Yeah, there'll be more of that. UM. Well, well,
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