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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature production of iHeart Radio. Creature Feature.

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Speaker 2: It's Creature Cringle Times, a holiday special about our furry friends.

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Speaker 2: Today we'll learn how hibernation works and what's up with

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Speaker 2: these chaby bears, snail hiberneters.

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Speaker 1: Slivers with fat taiales join us. Says we learn and

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Speaker 1: love in their.

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Speaker 2: Sleepy little penguins perfect power naps. It's a sleepy, cozy

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Speaker 2: winter time.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature production of iHeart Radio. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host of Many Parasites Katie Golden. I studied psychology and

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Speaker 1: evolutionary biology, and on today's special Cringle Time show, we're

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Speaker 1: getting cozy and snugly and talking about the warl world's best,

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Speaker 1: most creative, and most interesting sleepers. From hibernations to teeny naps,

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Speaker 1: these winter animals know how to catch a few holiday z's.

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Speaker 2: Happy Creature Ring, Happy Creature Ring, a big Creature.

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Speaker 1: Joining me today is comedian and host of the podcast

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Speaker 1: Jeff Has Cool Friends and Other great podcasts. Jeff May welcome.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I just woke up. This is great. Yeah, fact

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Speaker 3: I just dehibernated. Be mad? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite way to get cozy during the winter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're still in La, right, I am.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't get too cold there, but it's still nice

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Speaker 1: to get cozy.

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Speaker 3: So it actually gets really cold inside. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you remember La, but there's no insulation in any

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Speaker 3: of the houses, so for example, like in my house

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Speaker 3: right now, it's like the high fifties. So yeah, not

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Speaker 3: what you would think would be great. I actually prefer

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Speaker 3: a fireplace. Yeah, airplace. I had a fire last night.

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Speaker 3: It was delightful. That really is something for me. It's

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Speaker 3: getting pricey, getting a little pricey. The wood has gone up,

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Speaker 3: But I do like that. I like being inside where

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Speaker 3: it is not bad while the weather is bad.

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Speaker 1: It's the best feeling. It's the best. I'm finally living

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Speaker 1: somewhere where it does occasionally snow, which I love. And

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Speaker 1: I also just like being inside watching either rain or snow.

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Speaker 1: But you're cozy and you're warm, and you're under a blanket,

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Speaker 1: maybe you even have a hot drink. It's just such

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Speaker 1: a good feel. It's like this intense smugness about your

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Speaker 1: position versus like the weather outside. It's like a very

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Speaker 1: cozy smugness and I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out that the weather outside is actually frightful.

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Speaker 1: Right, But the fire inside meanwhile, that's delightful, right, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I very much am that as a new Englander.

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Speaker 3: Like snow is two is two things for me. One,

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Speaker 3: it is a dangerous labor because you have to like

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Speaker 3: shovel your driveway or you know, you have to drive

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Speaker 3: extra specially careful carefully. I don't know I didn't add

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Speaker 3: an adverb into that sentence. But then on top of

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Speaker 3: that too, like being inside when it snows is the best,

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Speaker 3: right Yeah, no, you like you forget you're just sitting there.

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Speaker 3: Although when I was a homeowner, I would look outside

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Speaker 3: go free shovel right now? So it's not super bad tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Like that's the energy that I was bringing to home ownership,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've never had a home while I lived, like

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Speaker 3: So that's the labor of snow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, disappears right, exactly. But yeah, very very on theme,

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Speaker 1: because today we are talking about animals who do their

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Speaker 1: and we'll just sleep it off, but in very specific

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Speaker 1: physiological ways. So first we're going to talk about bears

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Speaker 1: and this idea of bear hibernation. Now there's going to

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Speaker 1: first let's talk about fat Bear Week. So have you

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Speaker 3: I love fat Bear Week so good. Of course, standard

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Speaker 3: bear Week as a Massachusetts former Massachusetts residence Bear Week

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Speaker 3: Fat Bear Week, that is a winter holiday.

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Speaker 1: The Fat Bear Week is a celebration by the Cadmeae

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Speaker 1: National Park and Preserve in Alaska of the bears in

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Speaker 1: these park cams and then vote online at fatbearweek dot org. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Yes, and she and these bears. Every year, bears put

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Speaker 1: least huggable animals in terms of the speed with which

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Speaker 3: Be like I'm going to feed myself to my favorite

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Speaker 1: I become part of the bear. In reality, this would

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Speaker 1: To by bears. So why do these bears put on

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Speaker 1: They are Rubenesque bears. Go to explore dot org slash

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Speaker 1: and we'll like lick at like melting snow or the

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Speaker 1: leaf litter and just have kind of like these like

434
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Speaker 1: protein popsicles that looks like kind of a really organic

435
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: mint ice cream. But the mint chips are bugs.

436
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Speaker 3: Honestly, I mean, let's give that a dry let's call

437
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: saltan straw and have the next flavor saltan straw.

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Speaker 1: So I miss saltan stra so much. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a California thing, right.

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Speaker 3: It's a West Coast thing. I believe it's actually a

441
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Speaker 3: Portland thing to say.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so it's a West Coast thing. Man, if

443
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Speaker 1: you live on the West Coast or you visit the

444
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Speaker 1: West Coast, saltan Straw is the best ice cream place

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Speaker 1: I've ever been.

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Speaker 3: To the Land of Gelato, yes.

447
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: But honestly, like look no offense to to northern Italy

448
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: where there is some amazing gelato, saltan straw is still

449
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: really holds its like it's really good. Also, like in

450
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: the US they know how to make waffle cones really well,

451
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: whereas here it's much more rare that you get a

452
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: pasta because they're made out of dry pasta, like they.

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Speaker 3: Kind of ice cream.

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Speaker 1: We have a basket, yeah, they we have like a

455
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Speaker 1: basket out of pasta. No. I mean, you know, the

456
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: gelato's great, especially in Florence. But you know, like, honestly, America,

457
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: you got some amazing ice cream there, so be proud.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have nailed the tastiest, most absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 1: Food, right, which is why these bears are eating it

460
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Speaker 1: at the trading post.

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Speaker 3: A bear sitting there eating like ice cream and a

462
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Speaker 3: grilled cheese or like, this doesn't seem like this is

463
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Speaker 3: the thing they should be eating. Probably not fairy. Is

464
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Speaker 3: dairy a big thing for bears? Because I don't really

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Speaker 3: see how that would.

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Speaker 1: Think so, But you know, I still feel like if

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Speaker 1: I saw a nose deep into a tub of ice cream,

468
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: be like, you know what? Good for her?

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00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Let it out, girl, be there in your feelings.

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Speaker 3: You've had a week. Yeah, you've earned.

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00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: This, you've earned this. Well, we are going to take

473
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Speaker 1: a quick break, but don't go to sleep. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, we're going to talk about a couple true

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Speaker 1: hibernators that are perhaps not what you typically think of

476
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Speaker 1: when you think hibernation. So, Jeff, did you know that

477
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Speaker 1: snails hibernate?

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Speaker 3: Are they true hibernator?

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Speaker 1: They are true hibernators. They also estivate, so estivation is hibernation,

480
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: but during hot or dry seasons. So both terrestrial and

481
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Speaker 1: aquatic species of snails can hibernate when the temperature gets

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Speaker 1: too low and estivate when the season gets too hot

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Speaker 1: or dry. So during hibernation, terrestrial snails such as garden

484
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Speaker 1: snails or fresh water snails like apple snails, will regulate

485
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Speaker 1: their bodily processes to survive the cold, so they are

486
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Speaker 1: true hibernators because their metabolic rate drops, their respiratory system,

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Speaker 1: their circulatory system, everything like slows down, and their body

488
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Speaker 1: temperature drops. Their body temperature actually basically has to endure

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Speaker 1: the ambient cold temperature. One of the problems with freezing

490
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Speaker 1: is that if you freeze like your cells kind of

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Speaker 1: get ice crystals in them, and that's really bad. Once

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Speaker 1: they start to thaw, they essentially rip apart because of

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Speaker 1: these Yeah, exactly, frostbite like that is necrotic tissue because

494
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: your cells have basically been torn asunder by the ice

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Speaker 1: crystal formation. But the way a lot of animals, including snails,

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Speaker 1: who can survive freezing work is they actually have in

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Speaker 1: their blood or in the snails case, hem aloof which

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Speaker 1: is basically the bug version of blood. They have anti

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Speaker 1: freeze in their blood. So this is like glycerol and

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Speaker 1: glucose in their blood that prevents the formation of ice crystals.

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Speaker 3: You have anti freeze in your blood. Sounds like a

502
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Speaker 3: grinch lyric that didn't make it into the song.

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Speaker 1: It does, doesn't it? Man? I can hear the voice too,

504
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Speaker 1: Can you do the voice?

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Speaker 3: Earl Thurl ravenscrop It's Tony the Tiger.

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Speaker 1: Oh he did, Tony the Tiger.

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00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you listen to the song, it's literally Tony

508
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: the Tiger's voice. He doesn't, he doesn't really alert in

509
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Speaker 3: your soul, mister.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, my mind has been blown.

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Speaker 3: Two huge Christmas songs. Sorry, I always have to bring

512
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Speaker 3: Christmas into it. Two huge Christmas songs are named are

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Speaker 3: sung by people whose last name whose names are you

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Speaker 3: are l. We have Burl Eves and Thorough Ravenscroft, and

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Speaker 3: those are two names you do not hear every Berlin

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Speaker 3: Thurrele are responsible for a good I'd say ten percent

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Speaker 3: of your holiday listening.

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Speaker 1: Berlin Thurle sounds like an artisan like sheets company, like

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Speaker 1: a company that makes sheets, like wool sheets for your bed,

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Speaker 1: and it's already yeah.

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Speaker 3: They're not that comfortable, but they're like, yeah, they're sustainable,

522
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: and then you're like all right, and then you try

523
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Speaker 3: to sleep in them, you're like, this was a huge mistake.

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Speaker 1: Itchy, but it costs five hundred dollars, so you do

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Speaker 1: use it all the time. Burl and Thurle, the sponsor

526
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Speaker 1: of this this week's podcast Berlin use code Creature to

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Speaker 1: get ten percent off the itchiest blankets you'll ever have.

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Speaker 1: But they're made out of one hundred percent human hair

529
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Speaker 1: at Gosophical Rash, ethically sourced rat hair. So yeah, this

530
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Speaker 1: is these snails drop their metabolic rate. They have this

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Speaker 1: antifreeze in their blood. They actually these anti freezing compounds

532
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: like glycerol and glucose become more concentrated in the winter,

533
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Speaker 1: according to research by noahsaka at all. Thanks guys for

534
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: cutting open snails and looking at their hemal lymph. That

535
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: must have been delicious. So they also produce something called

536
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Speaker 1: an epiphragm, which is a temporary mucous membrane that they

537
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: form to reduce water loss in like hot dry conditions,

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Speaker 1: or prevent water absorption during two wet conditions, to maintain

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00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: a balance of their bodily fluid because if they dry

540
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: completely out, that's bad. Or if they absorb too much

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Speaker 1: water and then they basically don't have the right balance

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Speaker 1: of fluids and salt ions, et cetera, like that can

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00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: also be bad. Just like humans, we can either die

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00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: of not having enough water, having too much salt, or

545
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: having too much water and not enough salt.

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Speaker 3: Some would say that adding another mucous membrane onto your

547
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: body is gross, and I would say, you're not a snail.

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00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not a snail. You're not thinking snail.

549
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: You got to think you're thinking people.

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00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how.

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00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't do great with an additional mucus membrane

552
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: on me, But not a snail.

553
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, I don't. The other cool thing

554
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: about this mucous membrane, this epiphragm, is that they can

555
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: use it to stick onto things. So have you ever

556
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Speaker 1: like had a snail and it's like inside its shell,

557
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: you can't see any of the like meat, of the snail.

558
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: You're trying to pull it off of like a tree

559
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Speaker 1: or a rock, but it's like stuck.

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Speaker 3: No, you know what, I didn't have access to snails

561
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. We had slugs, but no snails.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so sorry. That's that's a terrible childhood to

563
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: not have snails.

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Speaker 3: It is, well, we made up for it with the

565
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: lime disease in the transmit. Well, I have lots of

566
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Speaker 3: childhood experience somehow.

567
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Speaker 1: San Diego, we had a lot of snails and I would,

568
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Speaker 1: I guess, harass the snails a lot. I was curious,

569
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Speaker 1: and so I would try to like pick them up,

570
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: but they'd be like stuck, and so you kind of

571
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Speaker 1: like try to pull them off and like it. They'd

572
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: be like the suction and like you could kind of

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Speaker 1: rip them off. But I'd kind of feel bad when

574
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: I would do that because it feels like, oh, I

575
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Speaker 1: did something, I broke something. Well, what that is is

576
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Speaker 1: the epiphram. It's this temporary mucous membrane. And they would

577
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Speaker 1: probably use this because it would be the summer it

578
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: would be hot and dry, but they can also do

579
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Speaker 1: it in the winter, both if the winter is too

580
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Speaker 1: dry or if there's too much moisture or cold to

581
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Speaker 1: you know, basically protect their soft, vulnerable, squishy bodies. So

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Speaker 1: another thing is that I have seen on the internet

583
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Speaker 1: too many things, but among them this factoid that snails

584
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Speaker 1: can hibernate for three years. And that sounded wrong to me.

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00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: That sounded right, That doesn't sound right. And I love

586
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Speaker 1: it when I find something like this and find out

587
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Speaker 1: that it's correct. This is not one of those times.

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Speaker 1: The longest they can hibernate, as far as I can tell,

589
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Speaker 1: is around four months. And so I do not know

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Speaker 1: where this three years figure comes from. It seems like

591
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Speaker 1: it is maybe a rumor or something that keeps getting repeated.

592
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Speaker 1: But I could not find any like real sources for

593
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Speaker 1: this three years thing. I have seen that there are

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Speaker 1: multiple studies that they do over the course of two

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Speaker 1: to three years, and so I wonder someone was like

596
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Speaker 1: skimming one of these studies and said, like, study period

597
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Speaker 1: was two to three years, and they're like, oh, that

598
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: must be how long the snail's hibernating, and it's like, no,

599
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Speaker 1: that's the duration of the study.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So come on, guys, you know how this works.

601
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: You know words, this is academia come on, yeah.

602
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, a lot of academic papers

603
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: are very difficult to understand, and dare I say it

604
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: sometimes written poorly in a way that's hard to comprehend.

605
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, still like, uh, this seems to be wrong.

606
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: If someone out there is like, hey, I actually know

607
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: where this comes from, or that you think it is

608
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: real and you have a source, you could send that

609
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: to me. I would love to be wrong about this

610
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: because hibernating for three years as a snail sounds super chill.

611
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: That's like ultimate cozy.

612
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: I just don't It also seems a little wasteful, like

613
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Speaker 3: how long are you living, man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, three and a half years.

615
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Speaker 3: We might want to readjust what we're doing with our

616
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: time here? Our time management needs to be fixed.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the snail shell is like a pokey ball and

618
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: there's like a whole universe in there though, you know

619
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like to the snail, this could.

620
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Speaker 3: Be what an effective Pokemon that would be right to

621
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Speaker 3: get out immediately gets pikachuwed to death? All right, it

622
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 3: didn't react quick enough.

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Speaker 1: It's well, you know, snails have their strengths. Combat is

624
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: not generally one of them.

625
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, to be fair, there might

626
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Speaker 3: be a snail Pokemon that I have no idea.

627
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: There has to be there. I'm googling snail Pokemon because

628
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: there there has to be snail Pokemon. It's like weirdly, Uh,

629
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Speaker 1: there's mag mag Cargo, which is a magnum snail. It

630
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: looks like it's made out of lava an obsidian.

631
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Speaker 3: I mean that sounds like a pretty bad ass snail. Yeah,

632
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 3: there you go, so subsidian and lava snail. There's some

633
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: going to pick that one up off a tree.

634
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Speaker 1: There's some aquatic looking snails like Ohmannite omanite. Yeah.

635
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Speaker 3: Have you ever done a creek feature that was just

636
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Speaker 3: like sort of about the sort of apocrypha of pokemony

637
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: just play it a real episode?

638
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: Well no, So I actually had Ellen Weatherford, she hosts

639
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: a podcast called Just the Zoo of Us, and we

640
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: talked about Pokemon and then like the real life animals

641
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: that are seem to either have inspired these Pokemon or

642
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: by coincidence, these Pokemon are very much like real life animals.

643
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Speaker 3: So or that or that one magician that sued Pokemon.

644
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Speaker 1: Someone sued Pokemon.

645
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Urigeller. Urigeller had like an injunction on one of

646
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: the characters because it was clearly a dig on him.

647
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Speaker 3: It was like this really corrupt It was this corrupt

648
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: magician that would like hold a spoon and he was

649
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: famous for like us as a spoon bender that ended

650
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: up becoming sort of revealed as a fraud.

651
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Huh.

652
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was this whole thing. He'd like just

653
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: he just rescinded the lawsuit like very recently.

654
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: But I thought that was like a I thought that

655
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: the fake spoon bending was like a classic thing, right.

656
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: Like I think it's because of your igeller. Really yeah,

657
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: I think it was like a whole thing with Carson. Yeah. Well,

658
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: I mean I think it was like famously like that's

659
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: where like he's the fame famously debunked magician and it

660
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: was like this big scandal and uh so he like

661
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: just recently rescinded his lawsuit or complaint and like apologized

662
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 3: to like the children of the world for like has.

663
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: He apologized to spoons, because like what the hell of

664
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: the spoon's done that He's just like I'm gonna bend

665
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: this perfectly good spoon.

666
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, the spoons not have feelings?

667
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: Am I a utensilist? If I say that, I just.

668
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Think it's sad to be a spoon and then not

669
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: get used for ice cream instead get bent by a jerk.

670
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: Or get kidnapped by a dish.

671
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: Right man, the dish ran away with that spoon, But

672
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: did it ask the spoon for It's what it wanted

673
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: to do? I don't think so. So. Yeah, snails, they

674
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: can hibernate and uh with that anti freeze in their

675
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: hemal lymph and but they do not. I have not

676
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: seen anything to indicate they can hibernate for three years.

677
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: They can hibernate for around four months, which I still

678
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: think is pretty impressive. Now we're going, yeah, no, that's

679
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: good man, Like, why are we making stuff up? That's

680
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. One of my favorite hibernators is actually a

681
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: completely different animal. This one's acutie. It's the fat tailed

682
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: dwarf leamur. So uh oh, yeah, I shared a cute

683
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: little photo with you. These are cute little babies that

684
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: I want to cuddle. Yeah yeah, so fat tailed dwarf lemurs.

685
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: You may have guessed it. They have fat tails. We're

686
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: gonna talk about why so uh. They are primates found

687
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: in Madagascar. They're pretty small. They're only about seven ounces

688
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: in the summer and nine ounces when they fatten those

689
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: tails up in the winter. And you know, Jeff, can

690
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: you guess why they fatten their tails up in the winter.

691
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I need to guess on this one.

692
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: I feel like it's pretty much been established that this

693
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: is where they store their fat and nutrients, yes, for

694
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: their torpor or their their hibernation or whatever.

695
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: They can do exactly exactly, so these can be considered

696
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: true hibernators because they kind of meet all the requirements.

697
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: Their metabolism slows down, their heart rate, breathing all slows down,

698
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: and their temperature drops, and that fat tail allows them

699
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: to hibernate without needing to feed. So just as bears

700
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: developed that big belly for winter, these dwarf flamers developed

701
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: this like fat tail. They put all their fat in

702
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: this tail. I mean, we see this in other animals

703
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: right where they kind of store fat in these localized

704
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: regions like a camel's hump, not filled with water, actually

705
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: filled with fat to allow them to survive long periods

706
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: of time without eating. But this means that fat tailed

707
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: dwarf lemurs are actually the only primates known to hibernate. Yeah,

708
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: which is really interesting, so exciting for them. Yeah, good

709
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: for them. Look at these little guys.

710
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: What what what Mada Gascar movie? Do they address that in?

711
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know what? Like they have so many

712
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: fun like like actual animals in those movies, like fosses

713
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: and a bunch of different lemurs who I think I

714
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: think basically all of the lemur characters are actual lemurs, Like, yeah,

715
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they made any lemurs up. And there's

716
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: a lot of them, like Matta Gascar is lemur Land

717
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: essentially so that there could.

718
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: Definitely eat ice cream and they play around in barrel.

719
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: Pretty much the closest thing lemurs get to a resort.

720
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, like it's it's like a lot of these

721
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: these lemurs are endemic to Madagascar, meaning they're not found

722
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: anywhere else. So there is this research center called Duke

723
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: Lemur Center, and they've done a lot of research on

724
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: lemurs in general, including these fat tailed dwarf lemers.

725
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 3: You say Duke, you just mean like Duke University.

726
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's Duke Lemur Center. Be fun, Yeah, and

727
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: you know what, Like I feel like I would I

728
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: would love to be a card carrying member of the

729
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: Duke Lemur Center. So they've done all this research on

730
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: these dwarf fat tailed dwarf lemurs. It's actually really cute

731
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: because they have they have like lemurs that they studied

732
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: that are in captivity. But they, you know, they make

733
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: sure their environment is really really good and they like

734
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: to hibernate and sleep in like little nooks and crannies

735
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: inside trees, and so they've you know, done all these

736
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: things where they try to like recreate these spaces for

737
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: them and apparently like they've had basically these cute little

738
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: like fabric nests and like all these like very cozy

739
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: looking things. But their favorite thing is PVC pipes. Like

740
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: the lemurs love going to sleep in PVC pipes. Same, yeah, man,

741
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: Like you want to just curl up into a little

742
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: ball and be in a PVC pipe? Who doesn't?

743
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: I really do? I really do want them.

744
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: That's what That's how I like. Whenever I'm like working

745
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: with my plumbing, I'm like, man, I wish I could

746
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: shrink down and curl up and go to sleep in

747
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: this you trap.

748
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I hope they don't fall asleep in a potato

749
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: gun though, because that could be a problem, could be a.

750
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Problem, could be really cool, but you know, just a

751
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: matter of perspective. So yeah, the their research has found

752
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: that these uh fat tailed dwarf lemurs can rouse from

753
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: hibernation every six to two days and hibernate for up

754
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: to seven months. So just because you're hibernating doesn't mean

755
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: you can't occasionally, like wake up during the winter. Like

756
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: some hibernators, especially like smaller hibernators, will wake up occasionally

757
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: to move around, maybe even eat something like if they

758
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: have something stored, and then go back. Yeah, exactly, But

759
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: it is harder for hibernators to wake up in response

760
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: to say, a threat, versus just torpor. So if you're

761
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: just in torpor, you can wake up more quickly if

762
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: there's something threatening. If you're in hibernation, it's actually a

763
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: good deal more difficult for your body to rouse from

764
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: that even if there's a threat. So finding a good

765
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: hidden PVC pipe is very important. Because these guys live

766
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: in Madagascar. They're not protecting themselves from the cold and

767
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: the snow because it doesn't get that cold in Madagascar.

768
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: It's instead believe that they're protecting themselves from drought, where

769
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: like in the winter because it's really hard to get

770
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: enough nutrients. So like they feed on insects, fruits, and flowers,

771
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: and so these things are going to be harder to

772
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: find during a drought, and so they're just like I'm

773
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna eat a bunch of stuff, put it all in

774
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: my tail fat, and then when there's not as much

775
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: food around, just go to sleep.

776
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 3: Go to sleep with my big fat tail.

777
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, just wrap that, man. You could also use it

778
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: as a pillow. It's just it's such a good idea,

779
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: like this is.

780
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of opportunities with that.

781
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

782
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I store the food I eat in my

783
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: ass a lot too, So that makes it, does it?

784
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: Is? You know like Thanksgiving butt is a more comfortable butt.

785
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: I gotta say, yeah, you're we're in prime. But right now,

786
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: these these these months that we've been in, you know,

787
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: it's just like really we're getting ready to hibernate as.

788
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: Humans, though we don't really get to. We don't like

789
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: store all our fat like in one perfect pillowy location.

790
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: It goes wherever it goes, usually based on a combination

791
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: of genetics and your activity or whatever. But it would

792
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: be really nice if it's like, yeah, I just want

793
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: my fat to go in like my butt or my

794
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 1: tail so I can use it as a pillow. So yeah,

795
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: I feel like these dwarf lemurs really have it figured

796
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: out west. So yeah. Also, according to this Duke Leamer

797
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Center's research, these little guys tales account for around forty

798
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: percent of their body weight, and during hibernation, their breathing

799
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: can drop to a rate of about one breath per

800
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: ten minutes and their heart rate drops to about one

801
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: beat every ten seconds.

802
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's pretty great. That's like college I

803
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: mean college athlete level.

804
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that some people can't hold their

805
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: breath for a really long time, like they're divers who

806
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: like work on it and practice it. I think there

807
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: are some divers who can get near that level, right

808
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: of holding your breath for that long.

809
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that they're like like three minutes tends

810
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: to be like the a big threshold for people like

811
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: your average person. And then it was it ranks up.

812
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: I remember I was running for a while and I

813
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: got my heart rate tested when I was running, and

814
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 3: it was like really good. It was like forty two

815
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: beats a minute or something like that.

816
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: Nice.

817
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 3: It was like really impressive. My breath holding is so bad.

818
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it. T train it.

819
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't think I can.

820
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I did a quick Google search and apparently,

821
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: like there are some professional divers who have held their

822
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: breath for over twenty minutes, which is just ridiculous. You

823
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: can't do you can't. I want to caution everyone, you

824
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: cannot do that. You can't, just like you cannot decide

825
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to go try to do that. There have

826
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: been people who have drowned trying to hold their breath

827
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: in the pool, Like people who are practicing, like say

828
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: they want to be a good surfer or a good

829
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: diver or something, and they practice holding their breath. If

830
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: you want to do that, you need a buddy. You

831
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: need to be there with someone, because if you do

832
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: that alone, you can lose consciousness and drown, which and

833
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: it has happened really sadly. But yeah, to work your

834
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: way up to that long it takes I would imagine

835
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: years and years of practice. And you know it's not

836
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: it's like any kind of like you can't just like

837
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: lift an enormous weight because you decide to try really

838
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: hard one day but you know it is true that

839
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: with like you can responsibly trained to hold your breath

840
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: for longer, with a coach or someone to spot you,

841
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: or just on a thing to couch, a fainting couch.

842
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: That's what they were invented for.

843
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: To hold your breath in the Victorian age.

844
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: Anyways, we're gonna take a quick break and when we

845
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: get back, we're gonna talk about penguin micro sleeps. All right,

846
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: we are back, and Jeff, penguins are cute.

847
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 3: Right, I think that, well sort of. There's that one

848
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 3: with the red eyes and the yellow.

849
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: Hair like a rock hopper penguin.

850
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say no that that's an ugly

851
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 3: ass penguin.

852
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: Well, chin strap penguins are some of the cutest penguins.

853
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: They They are these little guys who live on islands

854
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: near the Antarctic or Southern Pacific Ocean waters. They have

855
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: this characteristic strap of black feathers that go under their chin,

856
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: and then they also have like a black cap on

857
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: their heads, so it looks like they're wearing like a

858
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: little black helmet with like a chin strap.

859
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: It looks like they have little cartoon faces.

860
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: They're adorable and I must have one. I must, I

861
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: must illegally acquire this penguin. So uh, they they are adorable.

862
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: Uh and they are, but they're they're not the biggest penguins.

863
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

864
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: And they have a lot of stuff to worry about.

865
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: So how do they get a good night's sleep? Well,

866
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: there was some research by Leborel a all, sorry, let

867
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: me do that again because I got too French with

868
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: that Liborel at all, who strapped sensors onto the chin straps.

869
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: So they already got their chin straps. Now they got

870
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: sensor straps. These are strapped strap penguins.

871
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 3: Uh.

872
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: And they measured their brain activity and motion. They used

873
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: like this remote electro encephalogram uh. And they found that

874
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: the penguins engaged in my grow sleeps, which were four

875
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: second long bouts of dozing, so like four second naps

876
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: around ten thousand times a day.

877
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 3: Well, okay, like in my head, I'm like is there,

878
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: I'm like doing the medal? Are there forty thousand seconds?

879
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's forty no, no, yeah, there are forty thousand

880
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: seconds in a day because this is about eleven hours

881
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: of tiny naps.

882
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's ninety thousand seconds in a day. Roughly. Yeah, yes,

883
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: that map is probably wrong.

884
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: Math No, that sounds right ish almost sure almost so. Yeah,

885
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: forty thousand seconds of tiny naps, which is about eleven

886
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: hours total of tiny naps. And so this is really interesting,

887
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: right because you'd think, like, well, but sleep in order

888
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: to be good sleep, you need like long sleep. You

889
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: need to like really kind of get into it. You

890
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: can't just have like little tiny sleeps.

891
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: Well like little Einstein's right line stegns, wasn't that his thing?

892
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, little naps, little cat naps, that's.

893
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: True, called catnaps, penguin naps.

894
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: We should call them penguin naps.

895
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: I guess sittin chaps. Chin strap penguin nap.

896
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like a really fast one that's like head

897
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: down on the table and then you lift it back

898
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: up so fast you get whiplash.

899
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: So that means that you fell asleep and then hit

900
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: the table.

901
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: And then you're like, that's a chin strap nap. So,

902
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: uh the yeah, they found that these penguins were still

903
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: able to successfully nest, forage all the normal penguin behaviors. Uh.

904
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: So the question is, well, why are they doing these

905
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: micro sleeps rather than like just a full night of

906
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: sleep or even like an hour nap at a time.

907
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: The idea is that this might be too risky for

908
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: the little penguins because the way that they they protect

909
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: their offspring is they have, like you have a couple

910
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: of parents that they're both looking after the egg and

911
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: the chick, and so one has to like incubate the

912
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: egg or keep the chick warm and protect it while

913
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: the other one goes out and forge, and then they

914
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: have to switch off. And so there's not a lot

915
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: of time for napping in that situation, especially when you

916
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: have rampaging birds like scuas who go around trying to

917
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: steal eggs or chicks right from underneath these penguins. And

918
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: so the penguins must be vigilant at almost all times,

919
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: and even the adults have their fair share predators like

920
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: leopard seals. So they've got to protect their egg, they

921
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: got to protect their chick, and they have to go

922
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: out and forge for like two you know, for their

923
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: partner and for their chick. So it's a lot of

924
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: stuff going on. So like the best way it seems

925
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: for them to get their rest are these four second naps,

926
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: little micro naps, little micropsunds.

927
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 3: Delightful.

928
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: It does. I feel like human, like new human parents

929
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: would be really envious of these micro sleeps.

930
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: This is how I sleep on planes, by the way.

931
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh it's so weird man. Plane sleep where

932
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: you fall asleep and then you wake up and you're

933
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: like that must have been an hour and you look

934
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: at the clock and it's like that was five minutes.

935
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 3: Three minutes. Yeah, yeah, I always think I can, Like

936
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 3: whenever I would go home, I used to take the

937
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: Red Eye and I would be like, you know, I'm

938
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 3: going to sleep on the plane. This time. It turns

939
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: out I'm too big to sleep. Yeah, Like there's no

940
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: comfort when you're when you're of a certain height, like

941
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 3: you can't comfortably sleep, there's no like you're it messes

942
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: every part of your body up. And I was so

943
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: stupid I forget every time, so all of my sleepes

944
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 3: would be like me falling asleeping and wake up and

945
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: be like that was eight seconds. Yeah, that was an

946
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: eight second.

947
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: I very much sympathize. I am a small and compact person,

948
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: so I can sleep on planes. But my husband is not,

949
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: and he he has a lot of trouble just even

950
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of like sitting planes are really like made for

951
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: us sort of average smaller folk, which I think is unfair.

952
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 3: It's like turn of the century Eastern European factory workers, right,

953
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: Like that's exactly like that's when I was like house

954
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: shopping back in Massachusetts, Like that's who the houses were

955
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 3: made for half the time. So I like wouldn't fit

956
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: in the room because I'd be like this is for

957
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: where the tallest person was five to nine, And I'd

958
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: be like, that's fair. I can't walk through this house.

959
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 3: I'm not going to pay money for it, right, same

960
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: thing with planes, Like it's tough. These penguins, however, they

961
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 3: would do great. The imagine getting on a plane and

962
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: it was just a sea of those penguins in each

963
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 3: season would.

964
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: Smell horrible, but I'd love it.

965
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: Like probably it would probably be very cold in there.

966
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: It would smell like rotting fish, probably like fish arts essentially.

967
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: Like a Spirit airline, just like.

968
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: Spirit airlines, so it wouldn't be that different actually, So yeah,

969
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: that is an amazing superpower that these chin strap penguins have.

970
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly jealous, and I'm actually a very good napper,

971
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: but my naps tend to be longer, like about an

972
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: hour at least at a time, like I wish I

973
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: could do really short naps. I'm sorry, I love napping

974
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: so much.

975
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: If the sun is out, I'm awake, Like, for example,

976
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 3: like I woke up at five thirty this morning, not

977
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: by choice, but I because I'm an early morning person,

978
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: and once if the sun peaks through my window, my

979
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 3: brain is immediately like you're up. And I've tried.

980
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm a little jealous of that. I have struggle a

981
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: lot with like maintaining a good sleep schedule.

982
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 3: I don't have a good sleep schedule. Lessons like you know,

983
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 3: I found it out. I found that out I had

984
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: done during college. I got two good paying jobs that

985
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: were on opposite ends of the day. I was so

986
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 3: at night, I was a doc worker, so I was

987
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: a forklift operator basically from like six pm till ten pm,

988
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: and then I was a mail sorter the next morning.

989
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: Every and I would have to arrive at four am

990
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: to the post office. And I was like, well, I'll

991
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: just sleep four hours at night and then four hours

992
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: during the day. And that's when I found out, like, oh,

993
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: I've never actually slept during the day. Yeah, And I

994
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: would try, and I did it, and I legitimately like

995
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: went I started hallucinating. Oh god, I would see like motion,

996
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 3: like like mailboxes would look like they were running out

997
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: into the street while I was driving. It was crazy.

998
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: Well some of them do do that, like you know.

999
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, like cartoon Ones. Yeah yeah, it was like yeah

1000
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 3: one sometimes. But yeah, so that was that was how

1001
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: I found that out. So I'm jealous. Anytime you mentioned

1002
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 3: somebody being able to nap, I'm super super jealous because

1003
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wish I could do that.

1004
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: We got to like inject you with some like uh

1005
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: chin strap NA.

1006
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: Penguin DNA. Yeah, of man have penguin. Yeah, I think

1007
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: that would just be the penguin.

1008
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: Right, You'd just be the penguin, but instead of like

1009
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: kidnapping people, you would just be napping in your house.

1010
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: Wave the kids out of it.

1011
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: Well, before we go, we got to play a little

1012
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: game called Guess Who's squawk in the Mystery Animal Sound game.

1013
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: Every week I play a mystery sound that you the listener,

1014
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: and you the guests, try to guess who is making

1015
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: that sound. Last week's mystery animal sound hint was this,

1016
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: don't add this fuzzy fellow to your fruit salad. All right,

1017
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: So you said you think you know the answer, can

1018
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: you I do?

1019
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: Is this a Southern Hemisphere animal?

1020
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: Uh? Yes?

1021
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: Is it a bird?

1022
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

1023
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: Is it a kiwi?

1024
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: It is? Indeed? Good job, awesome. Congratulations to the fastest

1025
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: three gissers, Michael D, Jared M and Grant W.

1026
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: Good fun story. I eat kiwi fruit with the skin on.

1027
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: Oh what Yeah, I wash the skin and then I

1028
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: eat it. It's very tart and so it actually mixes

1029
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: really well with the sweetness of.

1030
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: The kiwi is fuzzy, man, that.

1031
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter, So what no like honestly though, I know

1032
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: people probably think I'm a psychopath. I eat kiwis like

1033
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: a little apple, and I gotta tell you, the tartness

1034
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: of the skin mixed with the sweetness of the kiwi

1035
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: is so gosh darn delicious. And nobody's got like everybody

1036
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: listening to this is grossed out by it. Yeah, but

1037
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's amazing.

1038
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you'll get no argument for me that

1039
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: tartness is good. The hairiness, man, it's quick. I can't

1040
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: even deal with hair on a peach let alone a kiwi.

1041
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if you can't handle a peach, then yeah,

1042
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: this is not for you.

1043
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: Makes my teeth feel bad, like you like scraped the

1044
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: peach with your front teeth. It makes me want to

1045
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: rip my teeth out of my skull.

1046
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: I like it.

1047
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: I hate that low Anyways, this is a key.

1048
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: We you're like Anyways, It's like mochi. Mochi is basically

1049
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: ice cream covered in people's skin.

1050
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: It's the I can't do it. I can't do the

1051
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 1: texture of mochi either.

1052
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: So there's something that is skin that is people skin

1053
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: like people. They have approximated people's skin in the exact perfect.

1054
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: Way they are. They look good, but they feel bad

1055
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: in the mouth for me. So yeah. Kiwi birds which

1056
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: I would not put in my mouth because of the fuzziness. Uh.

1057
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: This is fantastic audio of a Kiwi call, which is

1058
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: very hard to on camera. This is captured by the

1059
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: Russell Nature Walks. It took them like three years to

1060
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: get this on video. I'll have the link in the

1061
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: show notes. This is a male Kiwi calling for his mate.

1062
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: Kiwis are from New Zealand. They are flightless birds with fuzzy,

1063
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: downy feathers and long beaks. They are actually related to

1064
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 1: ostriches EMUs and rheas, and they are the smallest of

1065
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: these group of birds which are called rat heites. They

1066
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: weigh only around five to six pounds, which is roughly

1067
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: two to three kilograms, and they have the largest egg

1068
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: to body size ratio. Their eggs weigh over half a pound,

1069
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: which is around fifteen percent of the kiwi's total body weight.

1070
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: So you know, I hope that beautiful song that the

1071
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: male is singing was worth lady Kiwi's for that whole process.

1072
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 3: That was like me with my mom. Oh god, I'm

1073
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: so tiny, and I came out pounds nine and a half.

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Speaker 1: Oundsh ah, your mom's like the human kiwi.

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01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom like like non pregnant. My mom weighed

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: under one hundred pounds. Oh man, I came out ten

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: nine and a half. That's a crime.

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01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: You're just like the alien chest burster.

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I did actually get you could kind of.

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01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 3: I got my foot caught in her rib so you

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01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 3: could see like the like a little indentation of a

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01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: foot at one point in time. So like, yeah, I

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01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: guess that's probably pretty accurate. No, it's bad, it's bad.

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01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: My mom. My mother is a saint for giving birth

1085
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 3: to me, because you was just like.

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01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: Do you just reign presence upon her on Mother's Day?

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: Just complete like she's a florist.

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: Mother's Day is a bad day for her. Oh no,

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01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: but her gift is that she gets to make the sacrifice.

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01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: My mom loves loves being like a martyr. So like

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01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 3: the fact that she gets to sacrifice her Mother's day

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01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: for all of the other mothers, Well, it's the best

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01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: kiss gift she could have ever gotten.

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: Well, I guess, uh, I guess you kind of have

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: to be a martyr tod cut to uh be a

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01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: human kiwi bird. I mean that very respectfully and respectfully.

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Speaker 3: So that's that is very true. She's great. She makes

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 3: that exact same call, and she taught me.

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: It's it's a beautiful call. Onto this week's mystery animal sound.

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01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: The hint is this, these are the best friends to

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01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: have in a gorilla style snowball fight. All right. Any

1102
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: guesses when.

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01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 3: You said gorilla style you said g U E r

1104
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: I or is that like a homonym thing that we're

1105
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 3: doing right there?

1106
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: No gorilla style like warfare, not talking about gorillas the animal.

1107
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Because I was going to say from the hint,

1108
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 3: only I would have said a Japanese macake or cock.

1109
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: I forget what that monkeys are.

1110
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no it's not not gorilla like like, okay,

1111
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: it is not a gorilla. I'll give you that played

1112
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: the sound one more time, Yes, yes I can.

1113
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: I don't know that. The best guess I had was

1114
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 3: Japanese macachu.

1115
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: That is a very good guest. Well, we will find

1116
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: out next time on Creature Feature who is making this sound?

1117
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: If you think you know out there, you can write

1118
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: to me at Creature Feature pot at GML dot com.

1119
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: You can also write to me your questions, your pictures

1120
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: of animals, your pets, whatever. Jeff, where can on people

1121
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: find you?

1122
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: Well, you can find me across all social media, including

1123
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 3: my YouTube at hate Their Jeff Row. I do a

1124
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: lot of really neat stuff. I mean, obviously we brought

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01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: up Jeff has cool friends. I do the great show

1126
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: Tom and Jeff watch Batman with Tom Ryman, Yeah, game employed.

1127
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 3: I do a lot of shows with Adam Todd Brown

1128
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: on that you Don't Even Like podcast network, such as

1129
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 3: you Don't Even Like Sports, which is a sports podcast

1130
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 3: for people that hate sports.

1131
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: Lots of fun that ironie, it's a lot.

1132
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 3: It's most of our fans, It's why we did Why

1133
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: We did that show Jeff has Cool Friends. If you

1134
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: listen to that, you can also hear the Amazing Nerd

1135
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: with Dre Alvarez, which is also under the Jeff Has

1136
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 3: Cool Friends umbrella, and at patreon dot com slash Jeff May,

1137
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: you can act early access to unsunsed episodes with bonus content,

1138
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 3: including the exclusive ug Fine with Kim Krawl. So that's podcast.

1139
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: If you want to see me live and you live

1140
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 3: in southern California, I do a Mint on Card, which

1141
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: is my live stand up show, and a toy store

1142
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 3: and Blast in the Past on Magnolia in Burbank, California.

1143
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 3: I also open packs of trading cards. It's so fun, Katie.

1144
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: I opened packs of trading cards on camera every Wednesday

1145
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 3: at two o'clock Pacific on my YouTube at Hey there,

1146
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 3: Jeff Row on a show I call I Must Break.

1147
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: You luck Man. I would love to watch videos of

1148
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: people just like cutting soap up into little pieces. So

1149
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: oh that sounds great.

1150
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 3: Oh the sounds yeah. So there is an ASMR aspect

1151
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 3: when you open up a pack of trading cards as well,

1152
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: But like man, just it's so fun opening those cards

1153
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 3: and I give them away to follow up my Patreon.

1154
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 3: But it's just so fun, like it's just this glory

1155
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 3: of it's like the first childhood form of gambling.

1156
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: God as a kid, because you're like that it is

1157
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: actually it's like literally gambling though. That's the thing is,

1158
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: it's like it is actually gambling, but you know, but

1159
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: for Pokemon or whatever other trading cards. Yeah, that sounds fantastic.

1160
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: Do check those out. Jeff is a fantastic podcaster. And

1161
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: if you enjoy any of those shows, thank Jeff's mother

1162
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: for giving birth to a frighteningly large baby.

1163
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 3: My poor mother, Katie. It was a blast having you on.

1164
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: You're an absolute delight and even though we are across

1165
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 3: the world, I'm glad we are so yes right now.

1166
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you so much for coming on, And

1167
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: thank you guys out there for listening. If you're enjoying

1168
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: the show and you leave a rating and review, that

1169
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: is that really helps the podcast and I read every

1170
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: single review. Hope you're all having a great winter time,

1171
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: and thank you so much to the Space Cossacks for

1172
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: their super awesome song Xolumina. I hope you're all cozy

1173
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: out there ready for your winter Hibernation, Happy Creature, Kringled

1174
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: Times Everyone, and uh go hug a Bear, Don't do that.

1175
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: Creature features a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts like

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01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: the one you just heard, visit the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts,

1177
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: or Hey, guess what more? Have you listen to your

1178
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: favorite show? I don't judge you. Just sip on your

1179
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: hot coco, watch the snow or the rain or basically

1180
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: nothing fall down outside, and get all cuddling cozy and

1181
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: I'll see you next Wednesday