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Speaker 1: is taking you, then that's where you'll end up. You

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00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: have to do everything in your power to make sure

431
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Speaker 1: that you win games, and to make sure that you

432
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: stay modern, and to make sure that you stay in

433
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: the minds of recruits and that you keep things fresh. Um.

434
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: And if you're not doing those things, all it takes

435
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: is two or three seasons and then you are who

436
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, and that's where USC if they are

437
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: all right. So if you put together a recruiting class

438
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: like they had last last year, it was decent, but

439
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't stellar like they like it would normally would be.

440
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: But I would argue that it got a lot better

441
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: once Keaton Slobs turned into Keaton Slopus. That that that

442
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: he turned into a five star player even though he

443
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: was only a three star recruit. Um. But this year,

444
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: when you stack on top, you know, not great recruiting

445
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: classes back to back, you've actually put together a gap

446
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: in your team. So it actually takes you longer to

447
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: come back. So I I just don't see how USC

448
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: can restore the faith in the coaching staff for recruits

449
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: to be willing to sign up for this when they

450
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: know that the talk for the next twelve months is

451
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: gonna be a out his job. I mean, I mean

452
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: it's crazy because you have so many job openings right now.

453
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: You've got Arkansas open which some people are rumoring that

454
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna be Lane Kiffin's job. Or it could be

455
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: Mike Leach's job from Washington State. There's Boston College open,

456
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: Florida State is open, oh mrs open, Missouri's open, New Mexico,

457
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: Old Dominion Rutgers, which hired Greg Ciano, uh South Florida.

458
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Strong got fired uh U and l V who

459
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: might who might get your boy? Tie Graham Texas, San Antonio.

460
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, like who, like, how are they gonna

461
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: find great coaches to replace all these players? That's I mean,

462
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: to replace all these coaches because you got Tony Elliott,

463
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: the Clemson office coordinator. Um, you got Venerables who's not

464
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: going anywhere, Clemson's defensive coordinator, Josh Hypel at Central Florida,

465
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: the Billy Clark dude, that you a b I mean

466
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: Mike Norvelle at Memphis, Luke Fickle at Cincinnati. But there

467
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: are more jobs open then people who wouldn't necessarily take them.

468
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: Because if you're Luke Fickle at Cincinnati, are you gonna

469
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: leave a good situation at Cincinnati to go take uh

470
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: to to to go take Missouri or are you gonna

471
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: stay there and wait for a big time head coaching job.

472
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Would you leave it for Arkansas or Boston College. Probably not.

473
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: I think coaches are seeing that, like the coach at

474
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Iowa State where he's like, I can build something here.

475
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I granted it is a Power five program,

476
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: but he's like, I can build something here rather than

477
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, than chasing a big time job, which is

478
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: more stressed, more headache, and I can do a good

479
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: job here. Yeah, I mean, I would love to believe

480
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: that that's the case. I think what you've seen p

481
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: J Fleck and Matt Campbell's sign extensions instead of take

482
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: the big brand name jobs. And I think that one

483
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: of the reasons is you you can you get to

484
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: the point where we're making a certain amount of money,

485
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: you have to act up. It takes to be happy

486
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: with control and also which fan base is going to

487
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: be piste off when you don't have everything ready to

488
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: go within two years. You have to have some patience.

489
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, You've got Chip Kelly out here doing some

490
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: in person recruiting all over the state of Arizona. His

491
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: face has been popping up in my feed um because

492
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: he's out here hitting the road. Uh. You know, there's

493
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: been a lot of criticism of him, of him sort

494
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: of being the Wizard of oz man behind the and

495
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to recruiting. But you know, he's out

496
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: here and I'm sure feeling the pressure and wanting to

497
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: make sure that things are turned around, um for year three.

498
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: But how, I mean, how did we get to this

499
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: point in the first place where people believe that a

500
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: whole staff should be disassembled after one year or two anyway?

501
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, when when did we get away from believing

502
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: that somebody should have the ability to bring in uh

503
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: their own crop of recruits and set their own culture.

504
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely crazy to me that so many people

505
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: have bought in the idea that you can fire your

506
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: way to success when that's never been a thing, not

507
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: sustainably anyway. And it's it's just not a healthy culture.

508
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: It's not really a healthy way to live. And there

509
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: has to be some pushback against that in saying that,

510
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, if we bring somebody in, we are going

511
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: to give them x amount of time before it even

512
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: crosses our mind unless some egregious violations are taking place

513
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: or some type of abuse of of of the system. Um,

514
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: the you know, removes your faith in in that staff's

515
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: ability to do their job. You have to have a

516
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: certain amount of time before you even consider something like this,

517
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: And if people would agree to do that, then you

518
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to do dumb symbolic things like signed coaches

519
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: to a one year contract extension every year just to

520
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: convince recruits that they'll be around for four years, when

521
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: recruits look out and see that people are getting four

522
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: year buyouts all the time. So, I don't know, it's

523
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: an incredibly unhealthily run profession and I would just I'd

524
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: really like to see it get back to the point

525
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: where you know, coaches are just given time to do

526
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: the job that they're going to do. But then you

527
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: have a guy like Clay Helton who has been in

528
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: his position for you know, four years now, and recruits

529
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: are rejecting the idea of him being there. In order

530
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: to preserve what you are, you know, maybe you do

531
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: have to make a move in that case. I don't

532
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: know how us he gets itself out of this situation

533
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: without firing Clay Clay Hilton. I mean, the only other

534
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: thing that they can do is is pray that they

535
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: go out and win next season, because I mean, alright,

536
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen is he's just gonna get

537
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of like hints from people within USC of

538
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: like Chris Peterson's taking a break. Huh, that must feel

539
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: really good. There's so much pressure in this job. I

540
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: bet it feel really good just to take a sabbatical.

541
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Why don't you give Christ call and then see what

542
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: beach he's on right now? Yeah, and I think he

543
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: will just be dropping Clay Helton nance. And maybe you

544
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: should just quit because because they are already like when

545
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: when when you look at their twenty schedule, Clay Clay

546
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Helton is in a impossible situation and this and this

547
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: may be why some head coaches could be balking at

548
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: taking the job right now, because okay, you you you

549
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: have to think that USC and Carol Folk, the president,

550
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: Mike Bone, that they see the writing on the wall

551
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: and that they want to get a good head coaching candidate,

552
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: but they may not be able to get one at

553
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: this point in time, and it may be because of

554
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: their TWI schedule. Listen to this, Ralph. They start out

555
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: against Alabama in Texas Stadium, a mad Alabama. Yes they're

556
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: not gonna have Yes, they're gonna be starting out with

557
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: a brand new quarterback, but their defense should be back

558
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: healthy Nick saban is piste off. He's gonna be a

559
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: curmudgeon from now until they win another championship. So Alabama,

560
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: Then they played New Mexico at home. Then they played

561
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, who Florida State. For some breeze believe that

562
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: they could get Brian Kelly to get him to leave

563
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to go to Florida's Florida State. Maybe. Then

564
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: they play at Arizona, at Oregon, at Stanford and oh well,

565
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: the the the time and dates are to be determined. Sorry,

566
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: They play at Arizona, at Oregon, at Stanford, at U

567
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: C l A, and at Utah and then they have

568
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: home games against Arizona, State, Cal Colorado, and Washington. That

569
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a schedule that you want to start

570
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: your season out with, Like you already know that, you

571
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: know like that, like that Alabama game could just start

572
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: your season off with a disaster ad for a new

573
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: head coach. Yeah, I mean you read that often. Eight

574
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: and four would sound good to me next year, but

575
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know, be about it. Yes, So there's

576
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: no way that they're gonna be happy with whoever comes

577
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: in next season, So it may not be as attractive

578
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: as as people thought. But we can go on to

579
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: what's happening this year with with the Bowl games. So

580
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: there's the Pack twelve championship on Friday, which Ralph, you

581
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: did some investigating on the price of tickets to get

582
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: into the stadium for a Pack twelve conference championship game.

583
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: What did you find? Well, I was just looking at

584
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: what it would cost some people, like if you're going

585
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: from Salt Lake and you were flying into San Francisco,

586
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: median ticket level prices are around five hundred bucks. If

587
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: you're going to San Jose, the minimum ticket prices around

588
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: seven d dollars. Um. There are tickets available for less

589
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: than a parking pass. And when I say that, that's

590
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: what that's without revealing that parking for this game is

591
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: forty plus dollars, which is crazy to me. Um, but

592
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: I found tickets available on stub Hub for as low

593
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: as thirty five bucks. Uh And I found Yeah, but

594
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: that's got to be in the five hundred section, right.

595
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, I think they have all

596
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: those upper deck sections closed off because what's the point.

597
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: You know, you're not gonna have that many people out

598
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: for this game anyway, As is every year, it's just

599
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: been a terrible site to have the game. Um but

600
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I I there are like fifty yard line tickets for

601
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: a conference championship game for as low as two hundred bucks. Wow, dude,

602
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: So L S, L s U and Auburn, I'm sorry,

603
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: L s U and Georgia their lowest ticket prices a

604
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight bucks lowest and that's in the

605
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: roof Army Navy hundred sixty six bucks. Ohio State Wisconsin

606
00:37:52,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: fifty bucks. Clemson, Georgia like fifty five bucks. Dude. They

607
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: are the Pack twelve tickets. Well, at least they're higher

608
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: price than Cincinnati and Memphis though. Yeah yeah, since that

609
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: that game was played last week, so there's probably plenty

610
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: of people that we're like, oh, we've already seen this. Yeah,

611
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: so you got um uh there. When you give when

612
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: you knock people, you also have to give people credit.

613
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: I think we gotta give the Pack twelve credit this year,

614
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: at least because the game instead of being on like

615
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: FS one or being on Fox, it is on ABC,

616
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: which should which people normally turned to for their college

617
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: football unless it's the Big Ten, which is more major

618
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: on on Fox. The eight the games on ABC you

619
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: got Chris Fowler, Kirk herber Street, the whole gang is

620
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: gonna be doing the game, which should at least make

621
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: it more prominent. Right. I'm sorry, I thought that was

622
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: a hypothetical question. Yes, the answer is yes, Utah is

623
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: favored by six and a half points and the over

624
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: unders forty seven and a half. What's your pick? I

625
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: like Utah. I like Utaw in this game, Um, for

626
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: some of the reasons that you and I talked about

627
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: in the last episode, which is just you know, how

628
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: oddly they've gone out of their way to make Justin

629
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: Herbert more one dimensional. Uh, And not that being one

630
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: dimensional is a bad thing if you can do it right,

631
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: or if or if the play calling is creative enough,

632
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: or if you're getting people open. And I think that

633
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert has more than enough talent. But if if

634
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is not going to be mobile in any game,

635
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: the one that the one that you don't want that

636
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: to be is the one with three defensive linemen who

637
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: are all probably you know, Day one or Day two

638
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: NFL draft picks. Um. So yeah, that that that's the

639
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: primary reason for me, is that Herbert shown a little

640
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: bit of weakness in the last couple of weeks, and

641
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: that's not a good time to go up against a

642
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: team that has averaged over the last eight conference wins

643
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: eight games in a row, averaged a thirty nine to

644
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: ten victories. Geez see. I hate to be the one

645
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: to say this, Ralph, I hate, we do want to

646
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: say it. But so Utah's favored by six and a

647
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: half points, and I think that this game hits the

648
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: under dramatically, and it's like like last year, last year dramatically.

649
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: What was last year? It was? It was terrible. And

650
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like I'm saying, I'm saying, all right, man,

651
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I believe Oregon's defense is good enough to stop Zack

652
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: Mass running and Utah's wide receivers aren't a big enough

653
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: threat in terms of speed wise or greatness wise to

654
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: just tear up Oregon's secondary. So it's going to have

655
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: to be this is the game. Tyler Huntley is gonna

656
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: have to be great because Oregan's defense is good enough

657
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: to hold Utah's offense down. But by that same token,

658
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: Oregon's offense has been stymied by Arizona State, who's not

659
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: a great defense. They got some good pieces, but They've

660
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: been shredded at times Arizona. They had some trouble with Arizona,

661
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: who's a Swiss cheese defense. They weren't exactly stellar against

662
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: Oregon State, only really scored ten meaningful points. They got

663
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: a last second u Cyrus Abbie Eikyo touchdown with like

664
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: under a minute. Like it's just not like they've been

665
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: stimy by terrible defenses, but then played well against Washington

666
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: who who shut down those same teams. It's so confusing,

667
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: and I would lean towards It's like everything that it

668
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: says says that Utah should win this game, but Oregon

669
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: has like played up and down to its competition. The

670
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: better teams that they played, the better they've played. So Ralph,

671
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm going with Oregon in the game. No bias, no

672
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: bias here, even though an Oregon guy, I just believe

673
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: that they do step up to the level of their

674
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: competition and if they and if their offense gets stimy

675
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: in this game. Granted, Utah is a top tier DF.

676
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: It's not only in the Pac twelve but in the country,

677
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: Like this is one of the best Pack twelve defenses

678
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: of all time, like top ten. If you get stemy

679
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: by them with Justin Herbert the first round quarterback then

680
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: and better talent wise, like in terms of athletes, recruiting classes,

681
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Then you talk, you get stimy.

682
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: You have to make a change of offensive coordinator despite

683
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: how good of a recruiter Um Royal is. I don't know,

684
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would have. You know, you're

685
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: you're a little bit closer to things than than me.

686
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: But if so, you're saying if Utah does to ore

687
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: again what it has done to everyone, that that's a

688
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Royal's fault or are you saying that it just it's

689
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: just a big time coaches make big time calls, a

690
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: big time games type of situation, because I mean, it's

691
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: who scored the most against watched it against Utah this

692
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: year outside of yeah so in in in a in

693
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: a loss, because in a win, the USC got thirty

694
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: and it was obviously with their third string quarterback, but

695
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Utah had some coverage issues. They made a gamble, it

696
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a smart one and and they got beat. Utah

697
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: has classically struggled with the air raid. They figured out

698
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: how to beat Washington State this year in a down year,

699
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: but you know, they ended up losing that one game

700
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: the USC It was not one that either you or

701
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: I were surprised by. Ken Oregon take advantage of that

702
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: and sort of be a past first offense and take

703
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: the top off um and then can the offensive if

704
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: if there is any offensive line in the conference that

705
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: can actually give Herbert the time to do something like that,

706
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: that I think that you know, it's gonna be Organ's

707
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: offensive line, but can Herbert do it? That's it? Is

708
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: it in Herbert's nature to just sort of be a

709
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: quick decision, quick release guy. Well, what what Oregon had

710
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: been doing is relying on quick screens so much, and

711
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: then teams have been just fighting up on things and

712
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: and pressing the wide receivers, not allowing that quick game.

713
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: So if Utah does what they've been doing all season, yeah,

714
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: that would be great on Utah. But the problem with

715
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: that is and is that is that you couldn't blame

716
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: a Royal just for this one game, or the offensive

717
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: system or anything like that for this one game. But

718
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: you can blame it for the struggles against Oregon State,

719
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: against Arizona and against Arizona statement and last year struggles

720
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: offensively as well. You know, at some point in time.

721
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, or Oregon is only running like sixty some

722
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: like sixty seven sixty nine plays a game, which is

723
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: not very many, Like that's one of the lowest in

724
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: the conference. Like you know, like their games are short.

725
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: They're not. They're not playing four hour games. They're playing

726
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: like these games are over quick. The only thing that

727
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: makes him long is the national is the national TV

728
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: aspect of it. That's what makes them long. So I

729
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: believe that Oregon has a chance to win this game.

730
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: I believe they should win this game because I think

731
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: that the Arizona State loss was an aberration. But if

732
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: they if they get completely shut down offensively, then this

733
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: is a symptom. Even if even if they lose and

734
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: and but have a good offensive performance, that's better. But

735
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: if they get completely wiped out offensively, then it's a

736
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: sign of your things. I believe for the guys at Oregon,

737
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: this is what I'm interested in because you you're picking Oregon,

738
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: but you're saying the under is gonna hit. So does

739
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: that mean that Utah is not gonna score the The

740
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: under is only forty me it's forty seven and a half,

741
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: which is super low because the under in the big

742
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: twelve Championship is sixty three and a half, and Baylor

743
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: is not a big time offensive team. The and uh

744
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: under and then it's fifty five and a half in

745
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: the a c C Championship and fifty six and a

746
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: half in the Big Ten Championship. So yeah, I guess,

747
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: I just I guess. I just don't see Utah getting

748
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: held to under twenty four. I feel like if Oregon

749
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: is gonna win, they've got to outscore them because I

750
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: think Utah is gonna get their's on offense, and getting

751
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: there's on offense isn't gonna be anything spectacular. Um, you

752
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: know that they're not gonna be able to run it

753
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: up on a really really good defense. Um, but I

754
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: feel like they're probably gonna get between seventeen and twenty

755
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: four points, um regard orderless of what happened. I mean,

756
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: I just put that as a baseline form. So in

757
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: order for Oregon to win, you know, to me, you know,

758
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: even if it ends up being like twenty four or

759
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: something like that, that you're probably in danger of of

760
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: of not hitting on the under if you are a

761
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: gambling man. But maybe, I don't know, maybe Oregon shows

762
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: up on both sides of the ball. I say it's

763
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna be an ugly game. I think we're looking at

764
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: like thirteen ten. I think we're looking at you know, fourteen.

765
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: Well that that that would mean Oregon, we have to

766
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: make to two field goals. So now fourteen or just

767
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: missing one? Oh yeah, oh yeah, okay, so I'll yeah,

768
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: I'll go back with my original thirteen ten thirteen ten four.

769
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: I love how you fix that for because that's definitely

770
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: a possibility. He's missed multiple points this year. Yeah, so yeah,

771
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: and he's missed multiple extra points camp Keimdain Lewis and

772
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: multiple under thirty yard field goals, which is atrocious in

773
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: good weather. But whatever, I digress. UM, but the the

774
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: bowl games, Ralph, we got UM. Where are the bowl games?

775
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: You have UM? Obviously Oregon or UM Oregon or Utah.

776
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: Going to the Rose Bowl you also have UM. And

777
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: then then and then after that it gets a little

778
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: bit tricky because you have UM, the Rose Bowl available,

779
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 1: the Alamo Bowl, next the Holiday Bowl, the Red Box Bowl,

780
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: Sun Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, and then the Cheese It Bowl. UM.

781
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: And this is the last year that the Las Vegas

782
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: Bowl is gonna be so early in the Bowl season,

783
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: it's moving the later next year. So UM, most most

784
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: people pick Oregon to go to the Rose Bowl because

785
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: they believe that regardless that if Utah wins, they're going

786
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: to the College Football Playoff, which didn't push Utah on

787
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, and then the next team up would

788
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: be USC, who they believe is gonna go to the

789
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: Alamobo and Washington probably to the Holiday Bowl. They have

790
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: them Holiday Bowl, Sun Bowl, red red Box Bowl, all

791
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: of these bowls in Arizona State, Sun Bowl, Holiday Bowl.

792
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: What do you what do you make of this bowl situation?

793
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: And how do you think the conference is gonna do?

794
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: Because they got Washington State, Cal, Arizona State, Washington, USC, Oregon,

795
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: and Utah, so seven teams available to go to ball games.

796
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: I think the one thing you can always depend on

797
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: is that a bowl won't take the same team two

798
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: years in a row if it has a choice. UM,

799
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: and so you know that eliminates loss of I guess

800
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: for Arizona State and they could go to the Holiday

801
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: Bowl if if UM Oregon is not there, UM, I

802
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: think that you'll probably see USC and El Paso. UM,

803
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: you'll probably see Cal at the Red Box Bowl. My

804
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: guess is a su ends up in El Paso and

805
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: you have, um, maybe Washington State playing in the cheese

806
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: At Bowl in Phoenix could be an option for them. Um,

807
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: it's all sort of a wait and see where Utah

808
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: and Oregon end up. But I think that, um, you know,

809
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: I think that this year it gets really really hard

810
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: for these bowls to be tiered when everybody's like four

811
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: and five in conference and seven and five over all.

812
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, so when everybody has the same record and stuff,

813
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily you you you tend to not believe

814
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: that one bowl is more glamorous than the other. Um.

815
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: Interesting one for me is who would end up in

816
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: Las Vegas against what is going to be a very

817
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: good Mountain West team when the Mountain West has been

818
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: kicking the pack twelves ass Um, I think it's it's

819
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: definitely time for some revenge. So whoever I think so,

820
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting my guests as if Memphis beat Cincinnati again,

821
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: they'll get a New Year's six Bowl, which would maybe

822
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: put Boise State a potentially twelve and one Boise State

823
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and that would be a nightmare match.

824
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah, whoever gets that game is going to

825
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: be in trouble because the s E, the the Red

826
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: the Rose Balls versus the Big ten Alamo versus the

827
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: Big twelve Hollia Bowl versus the Big ten Red Box

828
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: versus the Big ten Sun Bowl, a SEC Las Vegas Bowl,

829
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Mountain West and the Cheese It Bowl to Big twelve.

830
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: Why can't Why can't we get a bowl game against

831
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: the SEC? We got three against a Big ten. Yeah,

832
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, well you you might get one. You might

833
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: get the College Football Playoff and I okay, So if

834
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: you talk gets into college football playoff, I think that

835
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: they will, that they may shock the world. I think

836
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: that they have shocked the world potential. Do you agree? Ah? Yeah,

837
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean I would not have said that this is

838
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: a national championship level defensive line if I didn't believe it. Um,

839
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: I think the rest of the defense is just fine

840
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: when compared to any elite competition in the country and

841
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: l s you can get scored on, and if you

842
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: have an efficient offense and an elite defense, there's absolutely

843
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: no reason that you shouldn't be able to compete. Now,

844
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: could Joe Burrow elevate his game in you know, in

845
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: that situation and show that he's um he's above whatever,

846
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: how good your defense thinks it is. Yeah, I mean

847
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: he's having that kind of year. Um there, I don't

848
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: think that Utah matches up very well with Ohio State. Um,

849
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: but I think that if it's just this year and

850
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: this year only, I think if it's Clem Center l

851
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: s U, I think you talk can be there. I

852
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: definitely agree with that. I definitely do. Um. We will

853
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: see what happens in the conference game, No for sure

854
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: where all the bold teams are headed extremely soon. Uh.

855
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: There are a couple of guys though, who have declared

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Speaker 1: for the draft. You have J. J. Taylor, which you

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Speaker 1: know he's like eleventh in the back twelve and rushing

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Speaker 1: that you know, maybe maybe he just wants away from

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Speaker 1: Kevin Sumlin. And Lavishka Channa is going to the draft,

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Speaker 1: which is think the optimal move for him. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna his stock is not gonna get itty

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Speaker 1: any higher. He's proved that he can catch the ball,

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Speaker 1: make plays, he's proved that he's tough. You know, he's ready.

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Speaker 1: He's the NFL ready. And you know, I just but

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Speaker 1: you said that Jack Jones may come out from a

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Speaker 1: s U. Yeah, I mean you know, you have a

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Speaker 1: situation where Jack Jones is a playing on a blue shirt.

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Speaker 1: You know, his scholarship doesn't even really kick in until January. Um.

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Speaker 1: I had heard he had a baby, and you know

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Speaker 1: this was somebody who was in the same recruiting class

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Speaker 1: as Byron Murphy and to kill Harry and all those

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Speaker 1: guys and rated very, very far above them. Um, he's

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Speaker 1: definitely got the skills to be an NFL defensive back.

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Speaker 1: Does he have um? Does he have the talent is there?

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Speaker 1: Does he have the discipline? Does he have the wherewithal

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Speaker 1: to make sure that happens? I mean I would I

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Speaker 1: could see him making that move. Um, you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: have maybe a uh, maybe a sixth round grade on him.

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Speaker 1: I have a late fifth early sixth ground personal grade

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Speaker 1: on on J. J. Taylor. He reminds me a little

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Speaker 1: bit of that Brian Hill running back out of out

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Speaker 1: of Wyoming who went to Atlanta. And I think Labiscall

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Speaker 1: is a He's a day to wide receiver. I think

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Speaker 1: he's um. I think he's a second round wide receiver

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Speaker 1: because of the questions about his durability, But anybody who

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Speaker 1: has seen him knows that he is a very very

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Speaker 1: very special player and impact player, and I think that

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Speaker 1: he'll he'll be able to elevate his game wherever he

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Speaker 1: ends up to being at the very least the number

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Speaker 1: two NFL receivers so um as far as other players

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Speaker 1: in the conference. Though, if you were hamilcar Rash it

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Speaker 1: would you stay or would you go? I would stay.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes college players get caught up in stats that like, oh,

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Speaker 1: oh my, my, my, my stats look just like Chase youngs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's not quite the same. You know, stats can

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Speaker 1: sometimes be deceiving. He had a good year, but there

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Speaker 1: weren't times where you felt like, oh my god, this

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Speaker 1: dude is just taking over the football game, and you

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Speaker 1: should only believing as a player who left early myself,

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Speaker 1: you should only leave early if you are dominant at

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Speaker 1: what you do and or you are going to be

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Speaker 1: a physical benum at your testing, Like if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: test off the charts, fast jump high right, Like if

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Speaker 1: you know that you're measurables are freaking fantastic, not just

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Speaker 1: upper tier but fantastic, Like if you're tight end and

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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna run four four or maybe four three,

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Speaker 1: like like you saw um Vernon Davis do or like

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Speaker 1: you saw the marking ingram kid from Ole Miss at

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Speaker 1: the Giants, then then yes. Then and you're and you

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Speaker 1: have some status, some film to boot, then yes, making

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Speaker 1: that move not a bad move. But if you're measurables,

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Speaker 1: it's just gonna be I or upper tier, don't do it.

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Speaker 1: Don't do it. Stay in school, get and be dominant,

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Speaker 1: and then you'll get an opportunity. He is long and

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Speaker 1: tall and big, and he probably plays a little bit

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Speaker 1: bigger than he is. He's listed six four almost two forty.

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Speaker 1: But in order to be a hand in the dirt

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Speaker 1: defensive end at the NFL level, like you probably got

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Speaker 1: to comfortably carry two hundred and fifty two hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty pounds. And I mean, look at look at the

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Speaker 1: amount of time it took conduction from being sort of

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Speaker 1: that hybrid stand up um outside linebacker to a true

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Speaker 1: like four three defensive end. And maybe they shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: forced him into that role to begin with. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Hamil kar Rochet is coming from the same high school.

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Speaker 1: He's you know, got a little bit of the same build.

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Speaker 1: I think he should I think he should probably just

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Speaker 1: take his time to mature physically. I think you're right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I totally agree. Um but you guys, we will

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Speaker 1: be back on Monday with the Pack twelve Apostles podcast

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Speaker 1: with all the news because we will know everything about

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Speaker 1: the ball game. We will have the results of the

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve Championship game and um everything else. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time, appreciate your energy. Thanks a lot for listening

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Speaker 1: to the Pack twelve Apostles. Peace out, catch you guys later.