1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. All right, let's bring in Joe Thomas, the 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer NFL Network analyst, former Brown's offensive 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: tackle All Pro kind enough to join us, Joe, let's 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: go back to when Baker Mayfield and his agent put 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: out that letter, that love letter to Cleveland that it's 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: time for me to leave. Basically, what did you make 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: of that move by Baker Mayfield. Well, the first thing 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: that I saw, it seemed like he wanted to express 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: gratitude to the fans. Because even in the situation that 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: we're sitting in right now, where Baker Mayfield is about 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: to be traded to another team, there's a lot of 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: defenders of Baker. There's a lot of fans of Baker 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: for what he did for this franchise. I mean, my 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: last two years in Cleveland, we won one game. The 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: next year we draft Baker Mayfield, and he's been part 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: of this turnaround, including winning a playoff game against their 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: hated rival, to Pittsburgh Steelers. So certainly there's a lot 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: of love still in Cleveland from a big section of 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: the fan base for Baker. So I think he wanted 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: to express gratitude, but there was also a little hidden 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: meaning in there. I think he was trying to make 23 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: sure he could be a little bit passive aggressive with 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: the team, trying to make them make a decision so 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: that he could either have them fall back in love 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: with him and really open their arms up and wrap 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: themselves around Baker, or kind of start the process of 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: getting him traded to somewhere he wanted to go. And 29 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: it turns out that he wanted to go to the 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Well, I just wonder if that strategy, by 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: being so vocal or pushing the envelope a little bit here, 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: that the Browns weren't going to get Deshaun Watson. At 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: least that was the report, and then they made an 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: offer that he couldn't refuse. Even if he didn't want 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: to play in Cleveland or in that weather, he wanted 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: to play in a dome. It felt like he'd exacerbated this, 37 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: that maybe he talked himself out of town and Cleveland 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: had no choice but to go all in on Deshaun Watson. 39 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Would he make of that strategy. I think that will 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: be when it's all said and done. The highlight of 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: the Baker Mayfield era in Cleveland, where he was just 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: a little bit too boisterous, just a little bit too cocky, 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: just talked a little bit too much, and that ended 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: up being the reason why the Browns moved on from him, because, 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: let's be honest, he hasn't played bad enough where you 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: have to dump him. It was the combination of his prickliness, 47 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: the comments that he's made throughout his career, throwing teammates 48 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: under the bus, the coaching staff, the trainers, the media, 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: getting in little fights with the media all the time. 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: It was all those things and kind of showing a 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: propensity to being emotional and sensitive and not being able 52 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: to handle the criticism all the times, not only in 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: the media, in social media, but also I think inside 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: those meeting rooms in Cleveland, and I think when you 55 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: have a front office made up of Andrew Berry, Paul 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: de Podesta, and then a head coach with Kevin Stefanski, 57 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: who are extremely unemotional, extremely calculated and robotic and by 58 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: the book and analytical, like, it's just not a great 59 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: fit when you have that type of a personality that's 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: trying to fit into a much more structured and unemotional, 61 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: calculated decision making box. Do you like this move getting 62 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: desha Unwatson? From a football standpoint, it's a no brainer. 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Deshaun Watson is a bona fide Tier one 64 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. You could argue maybe that like an Aaron Rodgers, 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: if he would have been available, would be a better 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: quarterback tomorrow, But there's no argument as far as long 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: term answer at quarterback that Deshaun Watson has been the 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: best one available in the NFL in quite some time 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: because not only his performance but his continued upside. We 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: haven't seen him, I think, reach his ceiling as a quarterback. 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: And he's a young player, so I think he fits 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: with what today's NFL version of a quarterback looks like 73 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: as far as a guy who can throw the football 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: a mile, he can be accurate. He can also get 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: outside the pocket and beat you with his legs, whether 76 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: that means running outside the pocket and throwing or running 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: outside the pocket and making plays down the field running 78 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: the football. I think I'm withholding my final judgment a 79 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: little bit on everything that I'm seeing because there's obviously 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: those twenty two sexual as solid allegations that are still 81 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: out there. The sexual misconduct allegations, and there's still a 82 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: lot that we who have not been involved in the 83 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: investigation are I think, going to find out about down 84 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: the line. And I think it's important for us as 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: fans maybe to not pass judgment right away, even though 86 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: that's what we want to do, especially me in sports media, 87 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: Right what are we supposed to do? We always got 88 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: to take a stand, But I think in this case 89 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: it's important to maybe be a little bit more measured 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: and allow some more of the information to come out 91 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: before we maybe make a judgment call on the totality 92 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: of this decision by the Browns. I said this, so 93 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: I've been saying it, Um, why not reach out to 94 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: this attorney representing these women if you're if you're the Browns, why, 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, don't tell me you did in your background 96 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: check and your due diligence. Wh That's where I start, 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: And my thought is the Browns maybe they don't want 98 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: to know, Like maybe this you're already in. I mean, 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: he's there, he's your guy, so there's not much you 100 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: can do, no takebacks here. But I would have reached 101 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: out to the attorney just to say we're thinking of 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: trading for him. You know what? Can you tell us 103 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: and nobody reached out to this attorney representing these women. 104 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: I find that mind boggling. Yeah. I think what the 105 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: Browns had said about it is they were trying to 106 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: keep the pursuit of Watson as quiet as possible, and 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: that they knew if they reached out to the plaintiff's attorney, 108 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: that the plaintiff was going to try to use that 109 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: as some type of a leverage situation against Deshaun and 110 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: the civil litigation and the plaintiff attorney. He's kind of 111 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: got a history of flair and trying to be dramatic 112 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: and get his name out in the media, and so 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't want that circus, and they also felt 114 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: this is not something that they said the second part. 115 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: The first part is what they said. They said, Hey, 116 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: they wanted to keep it quiet. The second part, as 117 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: just my own analysis of the situation, is Hey, he's 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: a plaintiff attorney for a reason, Like, what do you 119 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: think he's gonna tell you. You think he's gonna say, yeah, 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: Deshaun's innocent, Like he's going to try to paint as 121 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: terrible of a picture as possible because his job is 122 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: to try to maximize the leverage that he can get 123 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: money for those women that he's representing. Now, with that 124 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: being said, if it was me, it doesn't hurt. Just 125 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: ask the question, right, what's the downside of hearing the 126 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: worst case scenario from the plaintiff's attorney, which obviously that's 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. You're gonna get a tremendous amount 128 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: of bias because that's his job. Yeah, and the Browns 129 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: are going to be paying this civil lawsuit because of 130 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: all that guaranteed money and the rays they gave DeShawn Watson, 131 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: so indirectly, they're going to be paying for whatever settlement 132 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: there's going to be. I was curious your thoughts on 133 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan going to the Colts. I love the move, 134 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: but also when teams say, hey, we're just kind of 135 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: talking to Shawn Watson, hold on here, we still love you, 136 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: and then I love that Matt Ryan said, no, don't 137 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: work that way, guys. I'm giving you my career here. 138 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: I was an MVP here and we went to a 139 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Here. You want Deshaun Watson, great, If you 140 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: don't get him, I want someplace else. So the Colts 141 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: end up with Matt Run Your thoughts I think it's 142 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: a great decision for the Colts. Right, they're a team 143 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: that's built to win now a little bit kind of 144 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: like the Browns are. Right. They've got a good defense, 145 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: they've got a very good offensive line, they've got one 146 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: of the best running games in the NFL. They can 147 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: throw the football if the quarterbacks making the right decisions, 148 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: which at times Carson Wentz was pretty good, and they 149 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: won when that happened. And so I think if you 150 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: bring in a veteran quarterback who maybe is not the 151 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: player he was five years ago, but he can still 152 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: make the right decisions, he's not going to put his 153 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: team in a bad situation. They feel that they've got 154 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: a really good running game, They've got a good enough 155 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: team built around that quarterback position that as long as 156 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan doesn't make the type of mistakes in critical 157 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: moments that Carson Wentz did, that's going to be a 158 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: big upgrade. And I also still think Matt Ryan can 159 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: still throw the football. He's not going to get outside 160 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: the pocket, which limits them a little bit what they 161 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: can do offensively. But Matt Ryan is still a really 162 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: good quarterback in the NFL, and I think he's a 163 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: great placeholder potentially for them drafting somebody this year or 164 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: maybe next year when there's possibly a few more quarterbacks 165 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: available in the draft. This transfer portal with the NFL, 166 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: there's not many seats left in the game of musical chairs. 167 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: So where does Baker Mayfield end up? Well, let's getting 168 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: tough for Baker Mayfield. And I think listening to the 169 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: people in Cleveland, still got a lot of friends there, 170 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: got a house there. Listening to sports radio, there's a 171 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: lot of people that are kind of surprised by the 172 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: trade value. But it reminds me of like somebody asks, Hey, 173 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: how much is your house worth? Well, it's whatever somebody 174 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: else is willing to pay for it. And right now 175 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, I think himself, maybe his representation, and 176 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: even a lot of people that were Browns fans thought 177 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: that he would command maybe a second or third round 178 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: pick and he was a guy that teams would be 179 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: excited to build their franchise around. But that just hasn't 180 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: been the case. And I think it's a combination of 181 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: up and down performance, a little bit of a low 182 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: ceiling because he's not a big, strong, fast guy with 183 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: a big arm that they feel like maybe they can 184 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: develop him. And a guy that's been inconsistent. And so 185 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: when you have a low ceiling, you've got a history 186 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: of being prickly, maybe a little bit with a lot 187 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: of people in the organization and outside the organization, and 188 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: you've been inconsistent, and you've got you a bigger salary 189 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: for maybe a guy that's going to have to come 190 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: in and compete. There's not a lot of seats that 191 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: are going to be available to you. So I think 192 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: the two that really possibly could be on the table 193 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield would be a Seattle where he could 194 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: go in and maybe compete with Drew Locke for that 195 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: starting spot. Maybe Detroit, where I don't know what they 196 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: think about Jared Goff, but that type of a mentality 197 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: might play pretty well. Dan Campbell, you know, he's tight, 198 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: he's a little bit of an emotional guy, so maybe 199 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: he likes that in his locker room, with which Baker 200 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: may feel good bring. And then maybe Carolina, but Carolina 201 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: really hasn't shown any interest at this point, but they're 202 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: starting to run out of options as well. Always great 203 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: to talk to Joe, Thanks for joining us, Thanks for 204 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: having me, Dan, Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick 205 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 206 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific 207 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The 208 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or 209 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by 210 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: searching f s R, or stream us live on the 211 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: Peacock Act. Let's bring in Mark Sanchez, Fox NFL analyst, 212 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback and of course, former USC quarterback. And 213 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: he sits down, He's got his USC golf shirt on, 214 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: he's got his brackets there that he's showing us. And 215 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Mark's doing well on the bracket challenge right now. But 216 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: you lost Iowa in Kentucky, So you lost two of 217 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: your final four teams. Still got Arizona and Gonzaga. No, well, 218 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: I had Villanova, Kansas, Kentucky Gonzaga. So just one final 219 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: four team, right, I got you with k Hucky and Iowa. Wait, 220 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: is this a mistake? Ton, that's the sheet I got. 221 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: I'll take another look. Okay, I got Gonzaga Kentucky. I oh, no, 222 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: I printed, No, no, no, you're right, you're right, You're right. 223 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: I printed. I'm in another bracket with my brother and 224 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: his buddies and I printed the wrong one. Yeah. Are 225 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: you on another radio yeah? All the other radio show? Yeah, 226 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: although why are we zooming today? We normally just do 227 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: a phone call also good morning? Yeah, good morning. I 228 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I love when we zoom, but yeah, yeah, okay, 229 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: you know what that makes one of us? It's it's 230 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: good for this. The only thing that came out of 231 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: the pandemic that was good was this that you got 232 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: to zoom people. I agree in some ways, but the 233 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: over zealous zoomers, I'm out, totally out. If it can 234 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: be handled verbally on a phone call, like you have 235 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: a you know, there's a visual element to your show. Yeah, obviously, 236 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: keep being taught off camera is important, but you you 237 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: want to be you know, you got a lot of 238 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: chot skis, you got a lot that the viewers need 239 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: to see. I get that. But when people are like, hey, 240 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: let's jump on a zoom for twenty minutes, I'm like, 241 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: for what, Well, that bothers me because it feels like, yeah, 242 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. Nobody just calls you 243 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: on the phone. It's got to be we got to 244 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: do a zoom. Yeah, And I so I do have 245 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: a problem with that, but I think people want to 246 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: look busy, you know, like, oh, did you say twenty twenty? 247 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: What's the margin? Got it? Okay? There are times when 248 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm on the phone and you hit mute and you 249 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: can still hear what somebody's saying and I can't be 250 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: talking to my wife or you know, I could be 251 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: doing something and you know I can't do that on 252 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: a zoom. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, I'm glad you're here. 253 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Baker Mayfield at the 254 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: point of his career, because you played four seasons with 255 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 1: the Jets and then they were moving on from you. 256 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I think you were around twenty six maybe, and you 257 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: were a star there in New York. But I was wondering, 258 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: can you put us in the position that Baker's in 259 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: right now? That after four years, you're twenty six and 260 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: the Browns are moving on from you? So what do 261 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: you What would be your vice to him? You know, 262 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: it's it's just a reminder that this is the ultimate meritocracy. Right, 263 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: What have you done for me lately? Is there something better? 264 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: And if you remember going into my third year, I 265 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: want to say it was when Peyton Manning was getting 266 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: ready to you know, do his people were shopping him 267 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: and seeing what was going on, and the Jets kick 268 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: the tires on him. I have no doubt in my mind. 269 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: And did that bother me? Of course it bothered me. 270 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: You know, I'm their franchise guy. We had just been 271 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: back to back AFC title games, like, we're knocking on 272 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: the door. We got a shot to really build something here, 273 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: and they go and you know, now, in hindsight, if 274 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm the Jets, hell yeah, I'm gonna go check out 275 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: pay Manning. Hell yeah, I'm gonna go look at his 276 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: neck and make sure he could play and bring him 277 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: in for a workout if he's willing, and all this 278 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and try and keep it under wraps 279 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: for our young quarterbacks so he doesn't get you know, 280 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: all heard about it. But that's just the way it goes. 281 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: That's the nature of this business. And it's unfortunate, but 282 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: that's what you sign up for. And it's just a 283 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: harsh and unfortunate reminder that when you sign up to 284 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: play quarterback in the NFL, you sign up for everything, 285 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the ugly, the injuries, the success, 286 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: the failures. For Baker, you know, as soon as he 287 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: knew that that was going to happen, as soon as 288 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: he knew that Deshaun Watson was a possibility or whatever. Yeah, 289 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean to request the trade. You can't fault the guy. 290 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: I know he's been getting a ton of criticism, but 291 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: he's a lightning rod type person anyway, right, either love 292 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: him or at him. There's not many people that are 293 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: lukewarm on Baker. You just got to kind of be 294 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: either way. So, I mean, what's a what's what's one 295 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: more headline saying Baker wants to be out? Like? Who 296 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: if I'm Baker? Who care? Like it makes no difference? So, um, 297 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: do you think he's a starting quarterback next year? Somebody 298 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: will give him a chance to compete? And that's a 299 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: crappy answer. And I'm sorry because I do. You know, 300 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm too nice with this stuff, but I he's tough, 301 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: he's gretty. But where where can he compete for job? Think? Now, 302 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because Pete's gonna want 303 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: somebody who can move a little bit. And and that's 304 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: something I think um Coach Carroll has realized in his time. 305 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: You look at the USC Texas game in the Rose Bowl. 306 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: You look at anytime he's played a mobile quarterback like that. 307 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: He understands as a defensive guy, what stresses him the most. 308 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: We could play the perfect defense, and if Russell Wilson's 309 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: going to run around in the backfield for six second, 310 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: you can't cover for that long. You just can't do it. 311 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: And there's fifty three in the third yards of a 312 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: field that you got to cover. And this guy's running 313 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: around like a pinball back there, bouncing off the tackles 314 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: and spinning and throwing off his back foot. And you know, 315 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: hitting Tyler Lockett or DK Metcalf thirty five yards downfield 316 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: or behind the line of scrimmage on the opposite side 317 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: of the field, now the whole defense has to run. 318 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: You can't do that. So he knows what stresses him. 319 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: And that's that's a big point on you know, for 320 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: defensive head coaches, they want on offense what gives them 321 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: fits on defense, you know what I mean, that's just 322 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: natural that you want something that's difficult to defend. So 323 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if Baker moves enough for coach Carroll, 324 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: and he turns the ball over too much for coach Carroll. 325 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: So Coach Carroll is gonna want great defense, great special teams, 326 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: and a quarterback that can you know, lock in and 327 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: when we need you to make the miraculous play, go 328 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: for a kid, it's fourth down letter, rit But when 329 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: it's time to you know, second and ten, I need 330 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: a complete shouldn't get us into a third and manageable. 331 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if he would trust somebody like that 332 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: in that situation. Now, you know, there's something to be 333 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: said for him to be groomed into what they want 334 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: or molded into what they want. But Baker's a pretty 335 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: unique guy, pretty unique personality. He's you know, he's um, 336 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, he's he's a he's a different cat. 337 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: But he's listen, his Heisman Trophy winner. He can't take 338 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: that away from me. He's the first pig in the 339 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: NFL draft. He can't take that away from He's won 340 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of games. He took the Browns to the playoffs. 341 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, he's he's done a couple 342 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: of things that not just a couple a lot of 343 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: things that warrant some you know, cache in this league. 344 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: It's just are you willing to take a chance on him? 345 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: And now it's just so dang late for the guy. 346 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: Like all these spots are getting filled. Matt Ryan just landed, 347 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: like the dominoes have all fallen, and he's kind of 348 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: on the outside unfortunately looking in. So it's that's a 349 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: tough spot. Man. I don't I don't envy that position, 350 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: but he's in a I don't know. Listen, when they 351 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: did the whole paid Manning thing, back to my you know, 352 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: crappy story for a second. They ended up giving me 353 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: a huge contract. I renegotiated after like two years or 354 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: three years or whatever and got a huge payday, almost 355 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: as like a man colpa, like, I'm sorry, you know, 356 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: And so I can't complain about that. That's just kind 357 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: of the way it worked out for Baker. They ended 358 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: up signing the guy. Now, if the Jets would have 359 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: signed Paid Manning, then I'm out of there, you know, 360 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: I would have went somewhere else. Well, how much better 361 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: are the Browns today? Well, where did they go at receiver? 362 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: That's because they lose Jarvis. Well, I think they're trying 363 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: to get Jarvis back, aren't they. And they have a 364 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Mari Coope. Yeah, Mark Cooper is a huge pickup for them. Um, 365 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: you know, and that's going to be Deshaun's guy. To 366 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: bring back Jarvis would be huge if he's willing to take, 367 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit less. And you see that happening, 368 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: right And I've heard you talk about it. I've heard 369 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: Coward talk about it, and it's really the new The 370 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: new model is you get one of these young quarterbacks 371 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: for cheap, you build up the entire team around him, 372 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: and after four or five years, whether you pick up 373 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: their fifth year option or not, then you decide, okay, 374 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: is this guy worth this massive contract? And then we're 375 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: gonna have to dish out all these other players because 376 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: we can't keep everybody. So when Aaron Rodgers takes that 377 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: massive deal, Davante Adams is standing there like, all right, man, 378 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go get mine somewhere else. It's 379 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: not personal, it's business. I'll see you later. And so 380 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: when the courtment look at Joe Flacco, look at you know, 381 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: he gambled like nobody's business man on that last year, 382 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: no contract, nothing, super Bowl MVP, super Bowl champion signs 383 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar deal. They had to break up 384 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: that team and they didn't, you know, they didn't have 385 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: that kind of success. Ever again, so and that's not Joe, 386 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's his big payday. He deserved it. 387 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: There's a there's an argument for that. There's also an 388 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: argument for the Tom Brady approach, where yeah, could I 389 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: make thirty five? Could I make forty? Am I comfortable 390 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: with twenty five? Absolutely? Okay, let's go. Let's go pick 391 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: up these Other is that I'm gonna need down the 392 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: stretch and not just starters. I need depth. I need 393 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: two million dollars to pay our backup wide receiver slot. 394 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: Who's our ace on special teams and he's going to 395 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: go to a divisional opponent. We need two and a 396 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: half now, not just too Like those kind of decisions 397 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: factor into how long you can play this thing out 398 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: and how far you can take your team. So it's 399 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: it's difficult, but once you sign that massive deal, it's 400 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: it's hard, man, and it's good for those guys to 401 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: deserve it. But at the same time, it's like, okay, 402 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: what what's more important? What's you know, what are you 403 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: trying to do? Reverse engineer? Do you want to win games? 404 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: Do you want to sign a big deal? And then 405 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, reverse engineer it from there, he's Mark Sanchez 406 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: Fox NFL analyst, the Broncos with Russell Wilson. If if 407 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: we're going to have the hierarchy in the AFC West 408 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: Chiefs still at the top, you know, that's that's interesting, 409 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: I thought. And it's funny how things worked out in 410 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: the AFC. Right, Like you get even Matt Ryan going 411 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: to the to the Colts, like that's huge. They're in 412 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: a division where you know, it's them and the Titans. 413 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: The Titans slightly aging, might be you know, time for 414 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: them to start to turn some of those pieces over, 415 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: and you know, the Colts could could run away with 416 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: that division potentially. Who knows what happens in Jacksonville with 417 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, first year, great quarterback, but see how that goes. 418 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: But then he's got to play in the AFC. Who 419 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: the hell is gonna win the AFC. If you're in 420 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: the NFC as a quarterback, that's like fast path, that's 421 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: like you know, carpool lane, hov like you're good, just 422 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. You might have to face Brady 423 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: in the championship or Rogers in the championship. Like that's 424 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: where you want to be. In the AFC, it's bottleneck there, 425 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: and there's so many good players, so many good teams, 426 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: they just kind of, you know, knock each other out. 427 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: And what was crazy last year's the Bengals hang on. 428 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: All they had to do was get in the tournament. 429 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: They had the old you know, New York Jets and mentality. 430 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: Just get in the tournament. However, you got to do it, 431 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: if you got to back end the last day, the 432 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: last night because the Falcons lose and we win or whatever, 433 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: and Indie sits their players and we win. Whatever it takes, man, 434 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: just get in. So if you're gonna rank them, shoot, 435 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean you got to take the Chiefs. They won 436 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: the division last year, you know, defending division champ. Give 437 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: them the you gotta beat the champ to be the 438 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: champ kind of thing. So I'd give them the number 439 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: one slot. But after that, I feel like the Charters 440 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: are right there man. And now with the Raiders with 441 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: their acquisitions and the Broncos with their acquisitions, it's just 442 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: kind of like one and then one ABC, Like I 443 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: don't even know how you separate those guys, and it's 444 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: all gonna it's all gonna play out obviously this season, 445 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: but that's gonna be the fun is or all these 446 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: debates on who's gonna be this, who's gonna be that. 447 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: I will say though that you know, I think the 448 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: Broncos might have won this trade. Now if the Seahawks 449 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: can play this thing right, and I don't know who 450 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: the hell are going to play at quarterback. Maybe it's 451 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: Drew Luck, I don't know, Maybe it's uh, you know, 452 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: Leek Willis. Maybe they go make a move in the 453 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: draft or something and they draft to developed. But if 454 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: they can hit on those two ones and two twos, 455 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: which is hard, I mean, that's really hard. Even if 456 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: they hit on three of those four, I mean, they 457 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: might have won this thing for the long haul because 458 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, Russ is coming off his worst year. He's 459 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: going to be motivated. Of course he's gonna have, you know, 460 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: offensive weapons, he's gonna have a great defense to help him. 461 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: But I don't know, I mean, this could be. I 462 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: think Seattle might have won this thing in the long 463 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: haul and in the next five years you look at it. 464 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: It might have been the right move for them. You're 465 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: flying the USC colors, are you You're going to practice today? 466 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: I am going to practice today. Check out coach Rally 467 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: and those boys for the first day of spring practice. 468 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: So I'm excited for that. Now, were you invited? Are 469 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: you just kind of show up? I always just I've 470 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: kept a close relationship with them. I'm like a you know, 471 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: a Tennessee tick man. I dug myself in. They can't 472 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: get rid of me. Wow. I love that place, and 473 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: they know that I support them like crazy. I was 474 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: crushed when they lost their first game of the tournament. 475 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: I was hoping our guys would show out a little bit. 476 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: But we'll see. Um, do you help them recruit a 477 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: little bit? I mean, if they need me, you know, 478 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: call them up and let them know his best place 479 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: in the world, no better weather. Maybe you talk to 480 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: the moms. I'd use you for that, but i'd have 481 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: you on a zoom call. I don't want to hide them, 482 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: do it. I don't want to hide the money maker there, Sanchez. 483 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: But it's all that m drive product. I've been using 484 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: this stuff all right. I've been using I really actually, 485 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: I've been using the brain whatever. So now I'm not 486 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: just a pretty face, you know. Now I got the 487 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: brain working. All six brain cells, buddy, I didn't know 488 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: there were any left after your your days very funny, 489 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: very funny. You got one more, one more than liner. 490 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: You got one more than Liner. Hey, we played at 491 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: that flag football tournament. I did all right two weeks ago. 492 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Did you see any of them? So Rogers, they got 493 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Leiner, Sam Darnold, Me, Kyle Allen, 494 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: and Desmond Ritter. I think that's eight of us. And 495 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: we played on these flag football teams. People bid on 496 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, like the first two quarterbacks. So somebody paid 497 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: like one hundred and ten thousand dollars for Aaron Rodgers 498 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: to be there quarterback. It was for r X three, 499 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: a part of Roth Capital, this investment group that we're 500 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: all in. Yeah, dude, it was. You should have seen 501 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: these guys. I mean, Carson came back out of nowhere, 502 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: mountain man from Idaho, finally back in so call. The 503 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: fact that they got him out here shocked me. And 504 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: you know, he's like my idol. So I always have to, like, 505 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, compose myself before I see Carson. But he 506 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: was slinging it, man, but here was shaking it. Who 507 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: took it the most serious? Oh? As soon as the 508 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: whistle blew, everybody it was like especially the old guy 509 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: older guys, I should say, but Carson, like Matt like, 510 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: it was like, all right, here we go. The first game, 511 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: we're kind of feeling ourselves out. Okay, do we have 512 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: any players on our team? By the second game, I mean, 513 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: Carson was dropping just whizzing balls by these guys, and 514 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: some guys were like former players. We had like Chris Conti, 515 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: Dante Whitner, you know, a bunch of dudes, and it 516 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: was it was really fun. But you know, you get 517 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: these guys that were, you know, and venture capitalists and 518 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, guys who don't really play ball, like they 519 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: might have played in High Score or whatever, but they're 520 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: just getting their hands bloodied up by a ball over 521 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: the middle from darts and fall was awesome. It was 522 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've seen in the wild. That's great, 523 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: That's great. It's great to talk to you. So I 524 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: always have fun today at practice. And thanks for joining us, yes, sir, 525 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: thank you guys. All right, Buddy Thatt's Mark Sanchez, Fox 526 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: NFL alist, of course, a former quarterback at USC and 527 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick 528 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 529 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on 530 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on the 531 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the 532 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: Peacock app. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. 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Sean Salisbury 541 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: set to join us clean up the mess here, former 542 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback and host of the Sean Salisbury Show on 543 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston. I want to let 544 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: people know that Sean is in his car. If you're 545 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: watching on Peacock, you're not driving. Just want to make 546 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: sure that they know you're not driving while you're doing 547 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: this interview. I pulled over for you, Dan, because you're special. 548 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm not good enough to do two things at once. 549 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk to you. It's good to 550 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: be on with you guys. All right, A couple of 551 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: things to talk to you about. We spend a lot 552 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: of time talking about Deshaun Watson over the last year 553 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: with you, and how do you think the how did 554 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: Houston fair here in this situation? Oh, Dan, I think 555 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: I would have got more, but you would get a 556 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: one in a three and a one and a four 557 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: and a one and a four in whatever orders. He 558 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: gets six assets. I Deshaun Watson's a better player than 559 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: Russ Wilson is. In my mind. I think he's top 560 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: five player in the league at his position. I would 561 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: have gone after what Denver did, but you got to 562 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: have a player that wants to go after what Denver did, 563 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: and with his no trade situation, you know, three first 564 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: rounders was the place to start. And however, you've got assets. 565 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: I would have loved for the Texans to grab a 566 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: player two that could have helped a young team and 567 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: impact him with a little veteran experience, but I don't 568 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: think they got fleased when it comes to this. But 569 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: where you do get fleasd and for reasons we all 570 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: know Watson didn't want to be here. The legal stuff 571 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: is that you're getting rid of what everybody needs in 572 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: this league. Asked the Rams with Matt Stafford. Denver thinks 573 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: they got it with Rushed Wilson, Josh Alammes. You're getting 574 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: a top five player and you're not winning Super Bowls 575 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: anymore without not a guy, but that guy at quarterback. 576 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: Cleveland's better now they got better Baker Mayfield, hopefully he'll 577 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: be a good player again, but Deshaun Watson's better. So 578 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: anytime you get that franchise guy, you win the deal. 579 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: And Deshaun's won everything Dan two thirty guaranteed he gets 580 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: to go play where he wanted to play. He had 581 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: to set out last year, but he got paid. He 582 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: gets another year where his legs are fresh. Everything he 583 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: did worked to Deshaun Watson's favorite football wise, So listen, 584 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: you had to build it somewhere. You got six assets. 585 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: Good play start. Now. They got to win the draft 586 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: being the Texans, but Cleveland wins because you get a 587 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, it's going to be on the field for 588 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: you at some point. You get him for the next 589 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: decade and he'll be an MVP guy or candidate every 590 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: every damn year. Do we just assume that he's going 591 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: to write a check and the civil lawsuits all go away? Dan, 592 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: I listen judging from how he's won every step of 593 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: the way. I don't the legal part. You know, you 594 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: hear stuff go. But once the criminal charges were dropped 595 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: and pushed, you know, or we're done. I think teams 596 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: thought the same thing. Now people are gonna judge where 597 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: their moral compasses about Deshaun Watson. In this twenty two 598 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: he said, she said, I wouldn't know because I wasn't there, 599 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: neither to you. But I would imagine the commissioner is 600 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: going to have to do something right. I don't know 601 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: what it is, but do something with the optics of 602 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: this to send a message. But I would imagine, yeah, Dan, 603 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: at some point, I don't know what the money's gonna be, 604 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: but if it's civil, it's gonna come down to probably 605 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: some money. Move on and repair your reputation, play good football, 606 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: and hope that the off the field stuff remorse or 607 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: whatever it is. But Deshawn's maintained his innocence the whole time. 608 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: So Dan really does come down to that. Cleveland has 609 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: moved on and said, well, we can deal with whatever 610 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: comes down to civil lawsuits. We got a great football player. 611 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: Since he's not going to jail, they're going to deal 612 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: with this. And he's got a powerful, loyal and rusty Harden. 613 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, Dan, it'll be business as usual when the 614 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: fall comes up. A great quarterback who going to get 615 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: paid two hundred and thirty guaranteed million dollars whenever he's 616 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: on the field. I also wonder is there a parallel 617 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: with how the league looked at Ben Roethlisberger when he 618 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: wasn't charged criminally, but he got six games and then 619 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 1: it was reduced to four. I know that's his twenty 620 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: two civil lawsuits here, which is different. But I wonder 621 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: if they'll still look at this and maybe he gets 622 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 1: six games or eight games something like that, and then 623 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's reduced. Can you see if I don't know 624 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: if there's another parallel here, and maybe I shouldn't be 625 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: looking for one. I'm just looking at the punishment part 626 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: of this for football. Yeah, Dan, I'm right with you, 627 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: and we're discussed that this morning to my show about 628 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: all right, isn't that isn't that the parallel? You have 629 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: to compare it to and our society, even though at 630 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: any point in time I don't care if it's thirty 631 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: years ago or now. You have to take these allegations serious, 632 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: well how serious and people's moral compass. But yeah, if 633 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: you're the commissioner, Dan, I don't think we can go 634 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: the other way because we've seen the punishment smoking weed 635 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: one thing, domestic violence and other these situations. I don't 636 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: think if you're the commissioner, you can err on the 637 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: side of, hey, let's give him a game or two 638 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: and move on. If you're gonna air your better air 639 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: on the side of protecting women and making sure and 640 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: everybody needs to be protected, but making sure you do 641 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: it the right way. And if Ben was the parallel 642 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: twenty two of them is a bit more severe, it 643 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: would seem. I can't fathom that he's going to go 644 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: unscathed with any kind of suspension. But I would think 645 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: about as a commissioner getting it right with the optics 646 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: and with though not just the optics, but with a 647 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: moral fiber of our country right now as the way 648 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: it should be. I can't imagine Deshaun Wotson starts the 649 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: season under center in Cleveland, but then again, I'm not 650 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: that smart, but apparently the commissioner is going to have 651 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: to make a decision soon, so the Browns know what 652 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: to do. If I'm Deshaun's people, I would expect that 653 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna miss some games, and I think that would 654 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: probably be wise by the commissioner. I was told when 655 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: there was the flirting between the Browns and Deshaun Watson, 656 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: my source said the Texans don't want Baker Mayfield, and 657 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: then eventually turned out that that was true, that they 658 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,959 Speaker 1: weren't interested in Baker Mayfield. Why weren't the Texans interested 659 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: in Baker Mayfield? Dan? They believe Davis Mills is a player. 660 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: Now you think about last year they didn't have a 661 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: first or second round pick and Nick Kissia winning and 662 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: got Davis Mills in the third round, and people in 663 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: Houston moaned about it. Still wanted to Shaun kind of 664 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: weren't sure. He said he didn't want to be here 665 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: the legal stuff, but people held out hope that, well, 666 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: maybe Deshaun will want to play here. But it's like, 667 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: why would you take a quarterback? Well, he starts off 668 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: slow and ends the season. Aside from Mac Jones, you 669 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: could argue that the way he played, he was either 670 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: one or two is a rookie quarterback. So the third 671 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: round situation doesn't matter. But Dan, think about it, not 672 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: just Baker Mayfield. They didn't try to get Matt Ryan. 673 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: They didn't try to go in and get a Russ 674 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: Wilson or a star veteran. They didn't. They haven't inquired 675 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: about Jimmy Garoppolo. They didn't inquire. I mean, you go 676 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: l Carson Wentz, all these guys that they're going, and 677 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: they don't have any interest in any of these first 678 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: round quarterbacks because I don't believe there's a franchise at 679 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: least immediate changer in the draft. They think David Mills 680 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: is a player now this year is going to be important. 681 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: But they also saw growth enough mentally, emotionally and physically 682 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: to say we got a guy that we don't have 683 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: to spend a first rounder. And I'm not sure Dan 684 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: here that they think that they think Baker Mayfield's better 685 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: than Davis Mills. I think they think they got themselves 686 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: a fairly good steal in the third round, who can 687 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: spin it a little bit and who's got a pretty 688 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: bright future. Yeah, and you know he's not going to 689 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: cost you. We're talking to Sean Salisbury, former NFL quarterback, 690 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: host of The Sean Salisbury Show on Sports Talk seven 691 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: ninety in Houston. I thought about you when I saw 692 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: the news about John Clayton, are former co worker, because 693 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: you guys spend a lot of time together, certainly off 694 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: camera and then certainly on camera. Your relationship was back 695 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: and forth. How did you guys get paired up? To 696 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: begin with? Yeah, Dan, I'm taking this one. I'm struggling 697 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: with this one. And I don't mean to be emotional. 698 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: It's it's hard on me. When I got this news 699 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: over the weekend on Friday night, I was I took 700 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: like a seven pm nap. I was exhausted. All of 701 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, I wake up. There's like sixty messages on 702 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: my phone text mess I'm like, it's like an eight 703 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: thirty nine o'clock adamic What is what's sixty? And I 704 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: look at it and all of them from friends and 705 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: our guy Seth Markman and a bunch let me know 706 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: that what had happened. And I was devastated. Because I 707 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: talked to John a handful of weeks ago. Seemed fine. 708 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, he spent so much time taking care of 709 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: his great wife Pat and spending all these years being 710 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: one of the best in the business. How it started 711 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: with four downs, Dan was we were in I was 712 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: in the newsroom with our guy, Mark Preisler and Mark Shapiro. 713 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: Wanted to do something different and Mark was there at 714 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: the time, and they came up to me in the 715 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: news room at ESPN and John was doing a remote 716 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: somewhere and said, we want to do something different, like 717 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: the nerd or the you know, the smart guy versus 718 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: the jocket. I said, wait a minute, am I the 719 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: smart guy? But I said, someone would argue I want 720 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: to jocket a whole A lot of them are going 721 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: to say I'm not the smart guy. So they said, 722 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: let's try this, and it was Dan and I think 723 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: John and I were most proud of. It was the 724 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: original like sports debate thing, and I didn't know it 725 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: was going to catch on like this, and I still 726 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: do this day. You and I've talked about it over 727 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: the years. More questions about John Clayton and I and 728 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: whatever you want to however you want to ask them 729 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: than any question I've ever received in my playing time. 730 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: They don't want to know if I threw a touchdown. 731 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: They don't want to know who I think the first 732 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: pick of the draft. How's your relationship with John Clayton 733 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: and Dan? You know this for the years you were 734 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: that we never scripted it, We were never told what 735 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: to say. We would discuss it off camera with are 736 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: the people that ask the questions, and it was organic 737 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: and we let it rip and our relationship was all 738 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: we special. I've known him since nineteen eighty six before that, 739 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: but it became even more tight knit and close over 740 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: the years with this, and we weren't sensitive. We got 741 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: it after it. What you saw was real intensity. But 742 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: when the second book Cameron went off, John and I 743 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: were back to being great friends. I'm having a hard 744 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: time with this because I love him and he was 745 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: an original pioneer this and Dan over all the years 746 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: of covering sports and watching it and loving it like 747 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: you do. I don't know if I've ever been around 748 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: a guy who loved talking football on TV and radio 749 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: more than John did. And like the commercial which you 750 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: used to kid him about the ponytail, that's where it started, 751 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 1: and to get that commercial was like validation for John. 752 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: He loved it. Dan, and he's the one guy he'd 753 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: crawl fifteen miles, I mean fifteen hundred miles to talk 754 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: on a radio show at midnight because he loved it. 755 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: I was honored to be his partner. He was a great, 756 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: great radio and television partner in four downs. Was awesome. 757 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: And I'm having a hard time because he was a 758 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: special friend. Good to talk to you, and uh yeah, 759 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: I did think about you because you know the professor. 760 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: I called him Johnny good times because he always talked 761 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: about the positive. He loved It's like Tim Kirchen. Tim 762 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: always talks about the positives of baseball, and John always 763 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: talked about the positives. And he was always available always 764 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: you need him do a live shot, John's there. Need 765 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: him to be a guest on your radio show. John's 766 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: there always, And Dana didn't mean if it was midnight 767 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: or six am. John didn't care. A loyal friend, a 768 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: loyal worker. And I hope all the insiders that come 769 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: on after, you know, through these years, realized that this 770 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: was one of the greatest we ever had in the business. 771 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss him. Thank you.