1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: The Thread is a new hit podcast from Azzi Media 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: that explores history surprising connections in order to discover how 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: one thing leads to another, like how movie moguls in 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: early Hollywood helped spark the Me Too movement. Today, get 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: it on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen. Well, 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: what's going on everybody? John Middlecoff live here on the 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: three and Out podcast. Not live because we're recording this 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: bad Boy I'm a Colin Coward podcast. Now we've got 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: a big show today. Have Lincoln Riley, the head coach 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, will join me. He actually already joined me 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: because again podcast recorded it. You're gonna hear some knocking 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: in the background. People are working on the roof because 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: I'm a baller. I'm on the top floor, so the 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: roof is literally right above me. And uh not, nothing 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I could do. I was on Lincoln Riley's time. He 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: was great. Tell us a couple of Micae Leach stories. 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Uh what was It was a fun interview. So he'll 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: be on here in a second, and then all in 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: the podcast with the Middlecoff mail bag. As you know, 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, but specifically iTunes if you 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: go to iTunes, subscribe rate and in the review section, 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: leave me a couple of questions, uh, and I'll bang 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: them out, especially throughout the summer when when time slowed down. 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: As I said referencing guests, I'm gonna work in interviews 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: with this podcast, but I gotta start one place really quick. 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: I saw this number and it kind of jumped out 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: to me. And let me preface everything by this. I 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: worked in the NFL. My personal takeaway when it was 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: all said and done, was, you know, I thought it 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: was a little overrated. You know, I had different professional aspirations. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: And let me also say this because I'm gonna get 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: into here about the NFL versus the NBA and something 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: I think you see on social media and something I 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: think is just I mean, it is just. This is 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: an opinion, This is factual, untrue. I love the NBA 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: probably my favorite sport growing up like anyone, you know, 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: my age guy born in the mid eight I grew 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: up on Michael Jordan's uh. And I watch basically every 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: for the last five years, every single Warriors game, plus 40 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: another thirty or forty just random games. So I love 41 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: the NBA. So I'm not trying to be a hater. 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: I think the NFL has a tad been overrated. Working 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: love talking about it. I like doing what I do 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: now much more than actually working in the league, and 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: I like the NBA. That being said, I think there's 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: this notion and this narrative that the NBA is coming 47 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: for the NFL, the NBA is gonna be America's sport. 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: And my first reaction is just let's pump the brakes now. 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer. Like most people, in any business, 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: you're either growing or you're dying that there's not really 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: much in between. And most people you, most people listening 52 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: probably work in different businesses. You know, it's either it's 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: either trending up or training down. So you could argue 54 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: the NFL has been trending down. The thing is, though 55 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: the NFL has such had such a gargantel in lead 56 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: in terms of fandom, in terms of eyeballs, and I 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: think people forget this. And you say you often see 58 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: media members on Twitter when fans go, I pay their salary, 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: and media members like what you're wrong, Well, indirectly, fans 60 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: do pay people's salary. And here's how what pays all 61 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: this money for the three major leagues major League Baseball 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: than NBA and especially the NFL. Are these television contracts? 63 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: Why are these television networks paying so much money to 64 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: have the rights to the NFL Because the NFL has 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: the most eyeballs And where do the eyeballs come from 66 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: the fans watching the games? Well, last week the NBA 67 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: draft happening. It was one of the bigger drafts in years, 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: ton of star players, under three point like two million 69 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: people watch the draft. You know, damn that that's a 70 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of people. It's just I started thinking, like, how 71 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: many even watch the NFL draft, not all three days, 72 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: just that first night, the big night, Thursday night, the 73 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: first round, And I was like, you know, five six million, 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: just off top of my head. I'm not some like 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: media critic. It's not like I have these numbers in 76 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: my back pocket and I googled it. I looked around 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: almost four times as many people. This is not including 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Friday or Saturday. Now, I mean, even you've got to 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: be kind of a loser to watch all day Saturday. Hill. 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: I love the NFL Draft and I can barely keep 81 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: up on Saturday. But on Thursday night, almost twelve million people, 82 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: Like I round it up. Actually, like eleven point two 83 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: million people watch the NFL draft. The popularity of the 84 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: two sports is not even close. So when you see 85 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: this narrative that the NBA is going to take down 86 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the NFL, they have one of its most polarizing players 87 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: in the history of the NBA right now and Lebron 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: James now he's still in his prime and still fantastic. 89 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: They get three point three million people watch their draft. 90 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: More people on a regular season NBA game watch the 91 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: w w E and it's not even close. Relatively, the NBA, 92 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: like the NFL, is out so far in the league. 93 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: They're like secretariat now in the next twenty years cause 94 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: things change. Of course do does the NFL have issues 95 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: with concussion CT. But they have one thing going for 96 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: him and one thing that the NBA and definitely baseball 97 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: cannot replicate. And the NBA, for they have an irrelevant 98 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: regular season. The Warriors just admitted after the season they 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: did not try. The NFL, and college football, which is 100 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: probably the second biggest sport in America in terms of eyeballs, 101 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: also has this going for him. Urgency every week matters, 102 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: and their inventory because you only play once a week, 103 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: makes that game so much more important and also creates 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: more people to watch, Like you don't need to watch 105 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: some random game in December of the Sacramento Kings playing 106 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Lebron James. No one cares. The reason Thursday night football 107 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: is not only going away, it's become a success. Social 108 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: media loves to tell you like how shitty Thursday night 109 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: football is. And I'm not the biggest fan, and I 110 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: think it's very unfair to the players and the coaches, 111 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: But people watch, mean, millions upon millions of people watch. 112 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 1: The NBA would die for a playoff game, let alone 113 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: a regular season game. They have that many eyeballs watching 114 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: their product. It just does not happen. And that's why 115 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: the social media and especially the NFL media. And this 116 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 1: is one thing I've never understood the media. Listen, there's 117 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: the sports media is not very good at business. They 118 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: don't have a good feel for it the sport. The 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: NFL media loves beating down the NFL, and I often 120 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: just think, like all these people in the sports media 121 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: have never made more money. I mean, several of them 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: are multimillionaires. Uh many. I would say a large majority 123 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: of guys on different major sites, you know, make six 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: figures have great lives and they just love beating down 125 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: the NFL. And think about in your job, if you 126 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: have a quote unquote partner that you work with or 127 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: do business with, you try and listen. I'm not trying 128 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: to like show for the NFL or saying they should 129 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: prop up the NFL. I like being critical. It's one 130 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: of the things that I think in my short media 131 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: career has helped me out. I don't really care. I'll 132 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: say whatever whatever I think, So I'm not like saying 133 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be critical of the NFL. But the over 134 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: the top nature and just pure emotion from so many 135 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: media members makes you often think, like, God, is the 136 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: NFL really in trouble. It's actually not. You know, you 137 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: could argue it's the it's having the greatest success we've 138 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: ever seen from a professional league and relative to the NBA, 139 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: and Bill Simmons says it all the time, like the 140 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: NBA is it should expand, we should expand? Like Bill, 141 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: have you not checked the television ratings and the majority 142 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: of these markets, like I live in the Bay Area, 143 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: the Warriors do enormous television ratings. People watch you go 144 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: to Phoenix, you go to Minnesota, you go to Atlanta, 145 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: you go to Orlando, Nobody watches. The Raiders were horrendous 146 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: last year, I mean terrible. They are the second team 147 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area and they are leaving, and they 148 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: did bigger numbers than the Golden State Warriors on their 149 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: broadcast locally in the Greater Bay Area. It is not 150 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: a fair fight, So just be careful when you see 151 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: like the NBA is a passing the NFL. I'm not 152 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: saying it won't one day. Listen, you you never say never, 153 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: but we are. I mean, I'll probably have multiple children 154 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: by then and they'll be you know, maybe heading to 155 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: high school if it ever were to happen. And right now, 156 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: for your information, I do not have children. So let's 157 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: just pump the brakes on some of these narratives that 158 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: take a life on social media and you see through 159 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: different media members because they're just factually incorrect. Uh. And 160 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: it just got me thinking last week with the draft, 161 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: which I like many of you, I like drafts, so 162 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: I was locked into the NBA draft. But the problem 163 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: is relative to the NFL draft, it ain't a fair fight. Okay, 164 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: very very excited. I've had Andy Reid, Matt Naggy, my 165 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: first college coach, the head coach of the University of Oklahoma, 166 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, Lincoln, what is going on? Not much? All 167 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: is good here summer. Summer's going well with the team 168 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, excited about the upcoming season. What's up? 169 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: What's the off season like for you right now? Just 170 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: mainly recruiting. Can you work with your team? Yeah, a 171 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: little bit, A little bit. Uh it's limited time right now, 172 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, a little bit of time with the team, 173 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: a little bit in ounce recruiting, got some we can't 174 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: be out, but some of the recruits are coming in 175 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: town to visit us during this time of year, so 176 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: that's been good. And then a chance to kind of 177 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: start playing in the head for for fall camp in 178 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: the season. So yeah, I always always at it, you know. 179 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: I was watching a couple of YouTube videos and some 180 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: interviews you gave and you were i think last week 181 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: somewhere in Tulsa, and they were just peppering you, and 182 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: it reminded me I live in the Bay Area, like 183 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan or Gruden would get on their quarterback about 184 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: your guy getting drafted, and obviously it was somewhat of 185 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: a wow moment here the Oakland A's took took Kyler 186 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: number nine overall. What was your first und I knew, 187 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: I think we all thought he was gonna go in 188 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: the first round. But ten, that's pretty high. Yeah, I 189 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: was excited for him. I mean, what a what an opportunity. 190 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: You know. I definitely, you know, kept up with him 191 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: through this year in baseball. I'm not an expert on 192 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: that by any stretch, So I mean, I know he's 193 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: a talented kid. It was hard for me to predict 194 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: or or have an opinion on where he would go 195 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: or when he would go. But yeah, for him to 196 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: go top ten and and uh have a team commit 197 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: to him that way and obviously gives him a great opportunity, 198 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: uh special moment, you know, a great moment for him 199 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: and his family. That's that's hard to do in any 200 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: professional sport, you know. I saw you say, and I 201 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: agree that he's almost being underestimated a little bit for 202 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: how he throws the ball because how fast he is, 203 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: and just watching some of his highlights last year when 204 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: he came in for Baker, I mean, he can throw 205 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: the pill. He can't, No, he can. I mean he 206 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: was a very efficient Pesser in high school. Um never 207 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: never had any questions about you know, his arm strength 208 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: or his his accuracy, any of his ability to throw 209 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: the ball. So, no, he's a he's a gifted He's 210 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: a gifted football player, no doubt. Gut can move. Guy 211 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: could throw um very little on football field that he 212 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: can do. What's this offseason been like without Baker? You know, 213 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: your first since you've been at Oklahoma without him around. 214 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: Has it been a little different in some ways? Yes, 215 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: but in some ways no. You know, you get used 216 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: to in college football. I mean you've you've got guys 217 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: leaving each and every year, you know, so you get 218 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: used to. You get used to that. You know, we've 219 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: had a lot of key players depart here over the 220 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: last few years. You've got to continue to have new 221 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: leaders step up and getting new players step up at 222 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: different positions. Baker was a big presence on this team, 223 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: no doubt about it, but we've got other guys that 224 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: are kind of stepping in so as it felt different 225 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: at times, maybe a little, but uh, that's that's part 226 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: of this game. Do you remember the first time you 227 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: were ever Obviously you guys didn't really recruit him. He 228 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: just kind of showed up, walked on first time you 229 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: met him. I mean, I would imagine you're taller than him, right, Yeah, yeah, 230 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I definitely. I mean, were you thinking Heisman Trophy potential, 231 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, guy who could lead us to a national 232 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: championship at the time he shook his hand. Yeah, I mean, 233 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I wasn't I was here. 234 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: Uh he had been here one semester, you know, before 235 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: I got here. Um, And so I got here in 236 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: January and I met him. Then I knew he had 237 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: been a good player at Texas Tech, you know, his 238 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: first year, and knew a little bit about his story. 239 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: But uh, I just uh enjoyed kind of getting the 240 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: meet him, and we went to work pretty quick on 241 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: the playbook. We had a pretty interesting quarterback competition at 242 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: that point with three guys that had started all started 243 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: in one major college football game. So it was, yeah, 244 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: just trying to get the offense in as fast as 245 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: we could and get those guys ready to compete. So 246 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: but now I liked him. You could tell he was 247 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: serious about what he was doing, and then once you 248 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: got on the field, you could tell that he you know, 249 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: he definitely had some talent. Was there a game or 250 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: a moment where you go that first year coaching him 251 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: that we got something here, like this guy's this guy's legit. Yeah, 252 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: that's sure. We'd beat Tennessee. His second game, we'd played 253 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: terrible offensively. We played great defensively, but terrible on offense. 254 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: The first about three and a half quarters of the game, 255 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: we were down. How I can't I think twenty one 256 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: nothing and and uh and we rattled off. You know, 257 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: I think we scored touchdowns on the last four or 258 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: five possessions of the game to win the game on 259 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: the road, right on the road the last night game. 260 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Pretty hyped up game and a great atmosphere, and he, 261 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, I thought he really hung in there, competed 262 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: hard the entire game, even when it wasn't going our way, 263 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, stayed trusting within the system, which is hard 264 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: for a guy to do when he's young and and 265 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: new into a system and as a new coach. And 266 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: so I thought after that point that, you know, we 267 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: might have a chance to be pretty good, and that 268 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: that he had what it took to to be the 269 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: guy that we needed him to be. You know, I 270 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: I probably felt where most people did coming into the season, 271 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: Stott Baker was a good player. First round might have 272 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: been a little high for me. And then that Ohio 273 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: State game happened this year just for you him the 274 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: entire program. I mean that was a massive game and 275 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: he was just I mean, he was lights out and 276 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: then it was kind of off to the races for 277 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: you guys. What was the biggest wrote this offseason him 278 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: coming into a senior year that that you saw, you know, 279 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: just from a football standpoint, that that he improved that um, 280 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: you know it really there was definitely growth. Uh, there 281 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot different thought that I would say 282 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: that he did this year that he didn't do his 283 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: first few years. I mean, he played it pretty well. 284 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean almost almost won the Heisman as a sophomore, 285 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and I think uh and then was a finalist, uh, 286 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: you know again as a as a junior. So I 287 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: mean he has played had been pretty good. I think, 288 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, probably just probably just you know, when when 289 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: you went on such a big stage there that you know, 290 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: it's the most high nonconference game of the year with 291 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: U with US in Ohio State, you win in the 292 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: fashion we did there, and then after the count run 293 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: we did as a team, and uh did offensively. You know, 294 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: I think it brought some attention to it. And uh yeah, 295 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean he continued to play very, very efficient. Um. 296 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: I was probably the most proud of how he grew 297 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: with it with his teammates. You know, we had a 298 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: lot of new pieces on this offense, really an entirely 299 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: new running back and receiving corps. And for him to 300 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: be able to kind of learn those guys, get on 301 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: the same page with them and us to you know, 302 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: continue you know, or or even better the production that 303 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: we had had the previous few years. Despite that was 304 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: was you know, something that he had a big part 305 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: in and and took a lot of growth and maturity 306 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: from him. Yeah. And then obviously you guys were rolling 307 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: you know big you're one for one coach, I mean, 308 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: you coach one year, you've won one Big twelve championship. Uh, 309 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: and then you have the chance to play in the 310 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. How much I know coaches are always you know, 311 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: looking forward, but that that game. Have you thought a 312 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: lot about that games? Has that been you know, I 313 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: know you have. I think you said, one of the 314 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: youngest teams so far since you've been around the program. 315 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: This this upcoming year, you guys focus on on that, 316 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: use that as motivation or is it just all kind 317 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: of in the rear view mirror. Now, Oh, I always 318 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of both, because you have 319 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: some some carry over as a as a program and 320 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: and it have some of the guys that were for that. 321 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: We're a part of that. So I think you try 322 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: to learn the lessons from it, you know, both the 323 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: things we did well, because we did do a lot 324 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: of things very well last season, and and and and 325 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: even in that game. And then you always trying to 326 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: figure out the few ways that you can that you 327 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: can get better. So no, I mean it was a listen, 328 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: the game was a great experience. I mean it was 329 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think two of the two of the 330 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: three best college football teams in the country going at it, 331 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: a lot of momentum changes, a lot of unbelievable plays, 332 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: doing it in one of the best settings in all 333 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: of sports, and uh it came down to one play 334 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: here there, but by either team. And uh so you know, 335 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: of course we we didn't like or expect the outcome, 336 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: but but you know, you can't be afraid of the moment. 337 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: You can't be afraid of putting yourself there and putting 338 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: yourself out there. So we we love the chance to 339 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: do it, and we're gonna go fight like hell to 340 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: try to get back there again. You know, I think 341 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: most people have kind of got to learn, you know, 342 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: your story a little bit, your background coming from Texas Tech. 343 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: But I had Eric Burkhard, who's Cliff King Sperry's agent 344 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: and was at Texas Tech when you were there, and 345 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: he was rattling off when when you were playing in 346 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: a backup quarterback some of the coaches on on that, 347 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: Mike Leak stat Mike Leech staff, I mean that just 348 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: a think tank of of offensive minds from our Bryles, 349 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: the Sunny Dikes to to obviously, Mike, did you know 350 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: early on, even when you were playing, that coaching was 351 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a be an option? I thought it would be. 352 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: I kind of it's kind of planned on on trying 353 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: to be a high school coach. I I felt pretty 354 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: early in my career that all the football was going 355 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: to be a part of my life, you know, some way, somehow, 356 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: and yeah, and then once I got into college and 357 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: got a little bit of taste of that, I really 358 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: felt like that was the level I wanted to be out, 359 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: and so yeah, when I got an opportunity to do 360 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: it at Texas Tech, it was just an open door 361 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: that I didn't know if i'd ever get again or 362 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: if I didn't know. I originally never knew if I 363 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: would get an opportunity to begin with. So I just 364 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: kind of took it and ran with it. Obviously, obviously, 365 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: like you said, was on a a great staff, had 366 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: a lot of great, great minds. Uh, you know, coaches, 367 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: the guys that have gone on to do some great 368 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: things in this business, several of which are now you know, lucky. 369 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm lucky to have here with me at Oklahoma, and 370 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: so it was, you know, it was just a great 371 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: environment to learn and a great group of guys to 372 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: be around. You remember the first time he met Mike Leach. 373 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: M Oh, yeah, what was that? Definitely? Yeah, he he 374 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: put in the it was a quarterback meeting. After I 375 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: had got on the team. There was a first quarterback 376 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: meeting in the spring, and the whole quarterback meeting he 377 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: talked about He talked about dipp Um. He didn't talk 378 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: about football, not one word. Uh, And it's it was 379 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: just it was just you know, it's just him. I mean, 380 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: it's just him. I mean he's done obviously an unbelievable 381 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: job throughout his entire career, but he does it in 382 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: a way different than anybody I've ever been around. And 383 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: so I learned pretty quickly that you know, it was 384 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: you know, he got his quirks and and uh, but 385 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: he's obviously very effective at what he did. But it 386 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: was there was there was never a dull moment with 387 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Mike ever. You know, I remember I scouted, I went 388 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: through Washington State, and a and a graduate assistant. I 389 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: just kind of asked him what Mike was like, and 390 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: he's like, well, you know, it's a little different than 391 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: your traditional coach. He doesn't get here until around lunch, 392 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: and sometimes we'll start meetings at about midnight and they'll 393 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: go till three or four. You know, most coaches, i'd say, 394 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: are kind of early birds, you know, getting five to 395 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: six am, and then even during the seas, you know, 396 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: get out of there somewhat of a decent time. But 397 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: did you ever have a meeting obviously you coached for 398 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: him for a while, I mean what time when staff 399 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: meetings start? Yeah, no, we we definitely you throw your 400 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: life for a loop coaching for Yeah, no, he did, 401 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: and I was lucky by the time I became a 402 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: full time coach, I was used to it. And the 403 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: harder years for me was when I was a student assistant. 404 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: Was was, you know, having to take on my under 405 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: guard undergrad classes in the morning, get those done and 406 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: then you know, be up to the office about the 407 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: time that that we got rolling and then went pretty 408 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: late to the night. So those were the actually the 409 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: harder years. But I was, I guess pretty acclimated. But yeah, no, 410 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: it's a different it was a different, different deal. Yeah, 411 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: we I would say game plan meetings on Monday nights. 412 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: The average start time was probably between ten and ten thirty, 413 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: but we definitely had some that started midnight or past midnight, 414 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: without a doubt, I mean several each year. So yeah, 415 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: it was a different clock mix and night. Al Um, 416 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: he would be up there all night. Then he'd go 417 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: home and uh watch things, he'd t vote or this 418 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: or that, you know, for several more hours, and then uh, 419 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: I think he would you know, probably on average probably 420 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: sleep from like four or five in the morning to 421 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: probably uh you know, four in the morning too, maybe noon, 422 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, and then uh, yeah, then you'd see him 423 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: after that. For example, for people that don't quite understand 424 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: the football schedule, if you say you're game planning at 425 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: like ten or eleven at night, like at Oklahoma, what 426 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: time would that meeting take place. Yeah, not at that time, 427 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: not at that time. Not really good for the kids 428 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: and then other families, and so yeah, we uh we're 429 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: pieced together. But yeah, we normally we started pretty early. 430 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: We normally will hit a five thirty or six o'clock 431 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: in the morning type deal to do it and get 432 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: it done and still try to have the rest of 433 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: the day. So as a similar schedule, but completely the opposite. 434 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: You know, I remember watching you guys. It might have 435 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: been your first year there as offensive coordinator, maybe your second, 436 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: and there there was a I forget who you were playing, 437 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: but you know when you used to say Lincoln Riley 438 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: or the Oklahoma offense, you think spread, and I remember 439 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: you guys getting in a goal line situation and Baker 440 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: went under center and you guys had like a heavy package. 441 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you had a fullback on the roster. And 442 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 1: you see a lot of spread coaches that are kind 443 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: of unwilling to even acclimate that and that's been something 444 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: I know it's not a major part of your offense, 445 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: but something that you don't shy away from. So I mean, 446 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: you view yourself as someone that's just willing to, you know, 447 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: factor in anything to your offense. You're you're never gonna 448 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: just We're only gonna do this. You know. You see 449 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the best offensive coaches that do a 450 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: little bit of everything. Yeah, I think you you know, 451 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: if there's something you can do to help yourself, you've 452 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: got to be willing to do it. And I think 453 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: you've got to have the personnel to do it too. 454 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and we're we're lucky here. We've 455 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: got some good personnel. You know, we've got one of 456 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: the best offensive lines in the country and that's always 457 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: been a strong suit here, as well as the running 458 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: backs and and then obviously we've had a nice run 459 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks and receivers. So I mean, we've had some 460 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: good personnel if we've been able to use them different ways, 461 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 1: give people, you know, some problems here and there, and uh, 462 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: and we've ran the ball so well. I mean that's 463 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: been really you know, for all the attention that that 464 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: our receivers have gotten Baker's gotten you know, the really 465 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: the key for us has been how well we've been 466 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: able to run the football here over the last few years. 467 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: It's set up so much of what we've done and 468 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: and uh, we've been We've been pretty good up front. 469 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: So that's, uh, that's a big part of it. And 470 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: you've got to be creative. You got to change up 471 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: how your other football. You can't if you sit there 472 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: and do the same thing all the time. People are 473 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: good enough, they're gonna catch on. So so yeah, that's 474 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: it's been fun to continue to develop in that area 475 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: and that's definitely been a key to our success us. 476 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: You think that will be a different element this year 477 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. Obviously Baker ran, but Kyler's running is 478 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: just on a different level, just with the top end 479 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: speed that your offense may have just some different wrinkles 480 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: maybe that it didn't have in the past. I don't know, 481 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: we'll see. You know, both those guys, both Kyler and 482 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: Austin Kendall are pretty good athletes and so um, you know, 483 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: Baker was a good athlete to certainly, you know, good 484 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: enough to keep you honest. So you know, they kind 485 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: of all present their strengths. I think more for us, 486 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be about you know, seeing you know, who 487 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: the best guy is, who's ready to, you know, take 488 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: charge of this quarterback competition. And then, just like we 489 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: did with Baker, would with anybody else. Once once we 490 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: settle in on a guy, then then we'll try to 491 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: build some things around you know what they do very well. 492 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, I was looking at your schedule and in 493 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: the second game of the year, you've got Chip Kelly, 494 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: who you know, obviously hasn't coached in college football for 495 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: a little bit. I know. You know, coaching staffs all 496 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: across the country spend the off season just kind of 497 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: slowly easing into some of their early opponents. Where do 498 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: you even start with that? Do you look at his 499 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: forty nine or stuff? Do you look at his eagle stuff? 500 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: Do you look at everything? Do you go back to Oregon? Yeah, 501 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna have to take a look at 502 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: a you know, a little bit of everything. Uh, you 503 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: know on Chips obviously done such a great job offensively 504 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: and all the spots he's been that it's gonna, um, 505 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: you know that he's always gonna present some challenges and 506 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: and you know, we know how first games go, but 507 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: there's gonna be you can't obsess over it too much 508 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: because there's gonna be some things there that we haven't 509 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: seen and uh, you know probably you know, hopefully we 510 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: can present some things they haven't seen either. So that's uh, 511 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: you've gotta be a little open minded with those first 512 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: games going into it, and we've been. I think being 513 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: ready to adjust is always a big key to those 514 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: How much time do you personally spend watching tape over 515 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: the offseason on your opponents? Yeah, a decent amount. You know. 516 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: At times it's a little you know, my schedule is 517 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: a little bit different, uh, you know now, and so 518 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: that's uh, you know, there's kind of there's been different times, 519 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, especially during the spring when are the rest 520 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: of our staff is out recruiting and I'm not able 521 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: to be out or some some time to do some 522 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: of that and some prep works. So yeah, I try 523 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: to catch up on it a little bit so that 524 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: you're maybe ahead of the game going into the season. 525 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: You know, there was some reports obviously the NFL people 526 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: have been in and out of your program, especially this 527 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: year with with a quarterback going so high, but that 528 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: the coaches have come to learn from you have you developed, 529 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: even obviously as the head coach now, but even before then, 530 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: some tight relationships with head coaches around the NFL that 531 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: that you I know, Bob Stooves you've talked about, you 532 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: know how much you bounce stuff off them, Uh, and 533 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: obviously all the Texas tech guys. But what about NFL 534 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: personnel that maybe your friends with or maybe you bounce 535 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: ideas off of. Yeah, no, there's there's there's some guys. 536 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: They're definitely that have been good resources, uh, been been 537 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: good to, like you said, bounce some ideas off of 538 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: some guys that had developed relationships with before, you know, 539 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: certainly before this year and all this happened at Oklahoma 540 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: and then yeah, as as uh times have gone on 541 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: and we've been able to visit with more staffs, there's 542 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: been some more you know, good relationships developed. So there's 543 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of obviously great minds in that league 544 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: and very experienced guys, and so it's yeah, it's been 545 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: fun to get to know some of those guys and 546 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: and just have more resources and you know, friends in 547 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: the business that uh, you know that you feel like 548 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: you're on your side or that you feel like you 549 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: can go to with ideas, questions, are concerns and maybe 550 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: they've been through something similar. Uh, that that you know 551 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: gives you gives you just a little bit of a 552 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: leg up and helps you, whether it's as a head coach, 553 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: a coordinator, you know, however you're however you're looking at it. 554 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: They're an offensive guy. You stole something from the last 555 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: couple of years. Oh yeah, we steal from a lot 556 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: of people. All coaches still they say they if they 557 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: say they don't their lines. So there's you know, there's 558 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: only so many ways you know that you can you know, 559 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: change up what you're doing with the loving guys. You know, 560 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: there's very little you're ever gonna do that's the first 561 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: time it's ever been done. So a lot of it's, 562 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, more of how you package things or you know, 563 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: it's more you know, managing the players more from the 564 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: kind of head coach point of you. And so there's 565 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: so many different things that you can ask guys and 566 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: learn from. So we're always constantly trying to trying to 567 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: find ways to make ourselves better. Where does Lincoln Riley 568 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: vacation a little bit? Everywhere we're not a group that 569 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: has like just one spot that we always go to. 570 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: Always try to find a couple of places where cell 571 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: phones don't work, which that's getting a little bit tougher 572 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: this day and age. But I like to fish, like 573 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: to like to get out of town with friends, enjoy 574 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: some of the big cities for a day here and there, 575 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: like to golf, you know. So yeah, just uh, you know, 576 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: and then and probably the best thing now is just 577 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, quick little getaways with my family, with my 578 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: two little girls and just getting to spend some good 579 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: quality time with them. Is vacation a little different now 580 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: that you're the head coach, just in terms of things 581 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: you're always thinking about, or maybe just the responsibility you 582 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: bear or just still feel the same. Um, yeah, now 583 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: there's probably a little bit more on your plate now, 584 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: you know a few more things. I mean, it's you know, 585 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: it's always your responsibility and there's always something going on 586 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: that needs your attention. So yeah, I may be thinking 587 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: about it a little bit more some of the managerial 588 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: sides of it. Um, you know, when I'm out. But 589 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: I do know too that you know, you've got to 590 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: you've got to recharge your batteries, You've got to get away. Um, 591 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: this job can can burn you out quickly if you 592 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: don't do it. So I know, you know something I've 593 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: tried to take advantage of and make sure I do 594 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: that as well. Well. I know, Lincoln, I really appreciate 595 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: you coming on, and I think I speak for the 596 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: Bay Area. Now you've got maybe a West coast fan 597 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: base with you know, maybe the future center fielder for 598 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: the Oakland A's will be uh, we'll be keeping tabs 599 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: on you this fall. So so good luck and excited 600 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: to watch in year two. Thanks so much. I appreciate 601 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: you having me on today. Well that was pretty cool. Basically, 602 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, got the Sean McVeigh of college football. And 603 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: you know what, my biggest takeaway right there and kind 604 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: of a reflection, had to look at myself in the mirror. 605 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's one year older than me, is that 606 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: he sounds like he's fifty years old. He sounds like 607 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: he's Bob Stoops. I mean, you talk about a guy 608 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: that just has it together or and just just really impressive. 609 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: And it's pretty clear that every year they're gonna be 610 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: NFL teams not only sniffing around. If he were to 611 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: make the playoffs, again this year with Kyler Murray, who 612 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: again was drafted number nine overall by the Oakland A's. 613 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: I I think he will have offers uh to go 614 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: to go coach in the NFL. That being said, the 615 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: one thing that I took away is he was a 616 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: student assistant in college. He had aspirations about being a 617 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: high school coach, you know, before he started working for 618 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: Mike Leach, who's just an all time character that I 619 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: don't think he's just some lock like Lane Kiffin. His 620 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: dad was an NFL guy, so he had been around 621 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, I don't know. I'm not saying 622 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: you never say never, and it wouldn't shock me one 623 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: day if he becomes an NFL coach. But some guys 624 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: just like college football, you know, Chris Peterson at University 625 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: of Washington like to me, my my big prediction one 626 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: day is that when Pete Carroll retires, he'll take over Seattle. 627 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: But I had heard from a lot of people that 628 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: have been around him that he once said, if if 629 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is not good enough for the NFL, then 630 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: maybe the NFL is not for me. And and his 631 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: point was, like Kellen Moore's the best player he ever coached, 632 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: and as you see him now in Washington, he gets 633 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: by his quarterback is not an NFL guy, and he 634 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: wins a ton of games. That some of these guys 635 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: just like college that they like molding young men. They 636 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: like the academic not necessarily like homework and stuff like that, 637 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: but but just the impact that a program has on 638 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: a young guy. And I think he just felt it 639 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: and molded it there with Baker Mayfield. Even Kyler Murray 640 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: drafted number nine overall, he wants to stay. He's at 641 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: the University of Oklahoma. This ain't you know, Oregon State, 642 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: the Highway State, probably a top three or four job 643 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: in all college football. And here's the other thing that 644 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: unlike maybe beside Alabama, and really Alabama is a little 645 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: bit of an outlier because sabans there, most of these 646 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: jobs are turnover coaches, you know, four or five six, like, 647 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, they're not going a decade with the coach. 648 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: Bob Stoops just had that job for almost twenty years. 649 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: Lincoln goes, God, I have one of the best jobs 650 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: in America. It's one of the most stable jobs in America. 651 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: And I can win big here and they pay so 652 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet on him just being a lock. Let's 653 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: get to the Middlecoff mail bag. Every week iTunes subscribe 654 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: rate and the review section. Leave a question and I'll 655 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: get to it first. One, Lucas K. Where do you 656 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: rank Aaron Rodgers in the top players in the NFL? 657 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: Obviously his injury dropped his ranking, and anyone that saw 658 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: the NFL Network top one hundred absolute joke. I mean, 659 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: let's call it what it is. You can't I don't 660 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: really care what players think. They clearly don't take his 661 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: voting that seriously. I don't even thin Khalil Mack was 662 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: in the top ten. Aaron Rodgers was tenth. Like, I'm sorry, 663 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: I Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. 664 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers the best player in the league. If he 665 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: he's not, I mean, he should be no further down 666 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: the list than two. Uh. I think he's the best 667 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: most talented player in the league. He is the He's 668 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: the closest thing to just one guy can carry an 669 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: absolute franchise, and he kind of has. For the last 670 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: three or four years. Their defense hasn't been very good. Uh, 671 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: They're a one man squad now. Davante Adams is really good. 672 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: H Randall Cobbs kind of hit or miss. Their offensive 673 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: line has been solid, their coach is good. That they're 674 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, general manager now Gouda Kins looks like he 675 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. They've drafted a ton of cornerbacks. 676 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: But but for my money, in two thousand eighteen, with 677 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: Brady being forty one years old, and I know he's 678 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: the reigning m v P, I still think Aaron Rodgers 679 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: is the best player in the league. Now again, Tom 680 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time, but that 681 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: the list is a joke. You can't have him anything 682 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: lower than two. So everyone in the league knows. I mean, 683 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: he's just he's the first ballot Hall of Famer and 684 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: if he's healthy, the Packers are a lock playoff team. 685 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: It's really that simple. Let's get to uh Blake domination. Basically, 686 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: long question here asked about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh, 687 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, continuous disappointing seasons. To me, the main thing 688 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: about Tampa Bay, and it really speaks to Jamis Winston, 689 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: and I think you have to take a step back 690 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: after Jamis I said this earlier. If you don't, you 691 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at John Middlecoff. I do 692 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: a daily Twitter show also on Instagram trying to expand 693 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: the Instagram at John Middlecoff too. I I went on 694 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: a long ran about Jamis. If you said, if you 695 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: put me in the situation and claim that I sexually 696 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: assaulted someone, I'm just speaking about me personally. I do 697 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: not care what my lawyer told me, what he advised me. 698 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: I would fight it till the death social media, any 699 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: platform possibly, I would fight it. Jamis basically waved the 700 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: white flag. I'm not gonna fight or appeal this. I'm 701 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: sorry that that's a pretty big red flag for me 702 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: and I've been a Jamis to ender. But the the 703 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: Jamie's getting suspended for something that happened in uber Is 704 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: is terrible. Like, I don't know what Tampa does. They 705 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: basically missed on the pick that there's no way around it. 706 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: He had issues coming out of Tampa or I mean, 707 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: excuse me, Florida State, and then he gets suspended. It's 708 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: one thing to get deflated balls or bounty gate or 709 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: do something football wise that I get it, hell, even 710 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: a P E. D suspension, But to get suspended as 711 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback for something that involves sexual assault. That's beyond 712 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: the head scratcher. I'm selling all my Jamie stock. I'm out. 713 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: I'm out on Jamis, and I've been maybe one of 714 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: the last guys that like I think this guy can 715 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: be a big player. I'm not only out on Jami's 716 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear they made the wrong choice. 717 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: And I'm not even that big of a Mariota guy. 718 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: But Mariota would never get hurt or I mean, excuse me, 719 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: never get in trouble. He just he might be the 720 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: nicest guy in the league. And clude j this has 721 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: already been suspended. I'm floored. I thought Tampa was a 722 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: borderline playoff team. I kind of bought into the hype train. 723 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: But I'm out. I'm out on their quarterback. You know, 724 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: the coach is now basically a dead man walking. It 725 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me if the franchise just kind of falls 726 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: apart this year. You have the first three games, I mean, 727 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: what if you start oh wing three? Now, I know 728 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: the record that Jamis didn't play that well. Jamis is 729 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: a much better quarterback than Ryan Fitzpatrick. This is a 730 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: major problem. I'm not trying to be over the top, 731 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: but I think Tampa is screwed, and I think it 732 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: all gets back to them picking Jamis Wins to number one. 733 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: They were adamant that he was this great guy blah 734 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Well, pretty clear that something happened 735 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: because I know this, if I put myself in this situation. 736 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: I think a lot of you can relate if you 737 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: put yourself in that situation. If you get accused of 738 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: sexual assault and you are innocent, you're fighting that bad 739 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: boy till the death. And clearly he just waved the 740 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: white flag and said I'm not going to appeal. I'll 741 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: take this as a mention. I can't wrap my head 742 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: around that, and I can't you know, I I basically 743 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: look at it as an admission of guilt, and that's 744 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: a major problem, uh for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Niners. 745 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: Pass rush. I love the podcast another finder Fortins brought 746 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: in a few nice pieces. One underrated factor I think 747 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: is going to ultimately kill their defense is a lack 748 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: of pass rush. Any guys on the team that can 749 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: sniff over six sacks don't see it. Uh. My biggest 750 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: issue last year in the I was very hard on 751 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: the forty Niners for taking Solomon Thomas as high as 752 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: they did. I did not. I didn't view him as 753 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: a top ten player. Now he was excellent the last 754 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: five games. I do think I need to be a 755 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: little careful. And again I still I didn't love the pick. Now, 756 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily in that given draft, there weren't 757 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: any other pass rush. They were kind of in a 758 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: tough spot. There wasn't a great corner, that wasn't a 759 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: sweet wide receiver. They were just kind of in no 760 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: man's land. So they just took They tried to hit 761 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: a double. They didn't necessarily try to hit a home run. Uh, 762 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: they wouldn't say that, but let's let's just call it 763 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: what it is. I'm gonna be a little careful with 764 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas because I have a life philosophy, especially when 765 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: it comes to football. You don't bet against high character 766 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: guys that are absolute grinders, that are smart. And Solomon 767 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: Thomas is only twenty one years old, and he is 768 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: just off the field in terms of work ethic, in 769 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: terms of working on his craft. He does everything possible 770 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: to maximize his ability. Some of it is gonna be 771 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: on the coaching staff, like he's not really an edge rusher. 772 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: He's an inside pass rusher. Put him over the guard. 773 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: So if they put him in the right position, I 774 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: think he could be seven eight nine sacks. I don't 775 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: ever see him being some dominant pass rusher like JJ 776 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: and his prime Khalil von Miller, you know, even Aaron 777 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: Donald one of those guys. But I do think he 778 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: can be a lot better than he showed because the 779 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: one thing he does that if you do this consistently, 780 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna end up with seven eight sacks if you 781 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: just play your ass off, and if you watch them 782 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: last year, he just never stopped playing hard. That's why 783 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: as the season went on, especially being a younger guy, 784 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 1: he made so many plays, you know, those last five games. 785 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: I think PFF had him graded as one of the 786 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: best defensive line in the last five games of the season. 787 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: And I have to be careful with this sometimes I 788 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,479 Speaker 1: make like hardcore stances with young guys, and young guys 789 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: do have a lot of ability to grow, especially when 790 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: you're years old. It's one thing. If nine, you've been 791 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: in the league for five years, you are what you are. 792 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: But this guy was an underclassman that came out early 793 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: at Stanford really just kind of hit the scene two 794 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: years ago. I'm gonna pump the brakes a little bit 795 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: on just saying that he can't be, you know, a 796 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: borderline Pro Bowl again. I when I take a guide 797 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: number top five overall, I need him to be Khalil 798 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: Mack or Von Miller. Now, the counter argument to myself 799 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: would be, well, you're only, you know, given what that 800 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: individual draft is allowing you to take. So it's not 801 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: like they passed on him, you know, or they took 802 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: so m and Thomas for Khalil Mack. But he's got 803 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: to be the guy DeForrest Buckner is an excellent defensive tackle, 804 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: but he's never gonna be a double digit sack guy. 805 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: It's got to be Solomon Thomas. And it's on the 806 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: coaching staff really to make sure that he's in the 807 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: right position, because if you keep asking him to come 808 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: off the edge like he's Von Miller or Khalil Mack, 809 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: it is not gonna work. NFC North, Why are the 810 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions not getting any respect from anyone in this division? God, 811 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: I love a good chip on their shoulder. Sure the 812 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: Bears will be better, agree, but they're still the Bears. Okay, fair, 813 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: the Packers only have Aaron Rodgers, very true, and they're 814 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: overrated to me agree, but Aaron Rodgers makes you actually 815 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: not overrated if he's healthy. But that's a big if 816 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: you can't you stay healthy. And of course the Vikings 817 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: are the team to be in the division. From what 818 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: happened last year, I think Detroit is the dark horse 819 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: in this division. My only question would be this Their 820 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: offense is gonna be good. I mean, Jim Bob Cootter 821 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: has proven that they can score points. They have a 822 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: first time head coach, They're not only and it's not 823 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: just your typical first time head coach. It's a Belichick 824 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: guy and his Belichick's defensive guy. So he has literally 825 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: not done that much. You know, in his time with Belichick, 826 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: he never ran the team. He didn't even though he 827 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: quote unquote called the defense it's Belichick's defense. And you've 828 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: seen in the past with Romeo Cranell, Eric Mangini. It 829 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: does not have a great track record and resume of 830 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: guys leaving the Belichick under his nest as a defensive guy. 831 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: In going to Detroit. Now, there was that hit piece. 832 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: I think it was the Detroit Free Press about the 833 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: team's already quitting on him because he was making him 834 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: like run sprints. I think that's a little bullshit, But 835 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: I do think there is something like, I don't know 836 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: if Matt Patricia is gonna be good or not. I 837 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: would probably red flag it, like I he's gonna have 838 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: to prove that he's good before that. I just think 839 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: like Kyle Shanahan thought was gonna be a good higher, 840 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 1: you know, uh, Pat Schrumer, I'm pretty confident that will 841 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: be a solid higher, even Steve Wilkes and all the 842 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: things I've heard about him. You know, in Arizona he 843 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: might be okay, But Matt Patricia just because the division 844 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: is really good, you gotta play Aaron Rodgers and Vikings 845 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: are stacked. And even even Matt Naggie, Uh, you know, 846 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: he was given the ability last year under Andy Reid 847 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: to call the offense. I think Andy Reid's kind of 848 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: resume of producing assistant coaches is much more fruitful in 849 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: terms of success than what Bill Belichick has obviously done. Uh. 850 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: Patricia's only known one organization and in the general manager 851 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: that hired him, Bob Quinn is also at you know, 852 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: New England guy. I just think bringing that New England 853 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: kind of mindset to do your job and stuff that's 854 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: great in theory, and we you know, Belichick's the goat, 855 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: no question about it. It's just hard to replicate sometimes, 856 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 1: So it's gonna They also have a lot of established players, 857 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that have been good under the 858 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: old regime. And it's such a stark contrast from from 859 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell, just the way that Patricia is gonna coach, 860 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: and you know, the things that he's gonna demand, like 861 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: ask you weird questions when you're walking down the hall 862 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: about the history of the league and all the stuff 863 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: Belichick does. I don't know if that works for everyone. So, 864 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think Detroit is a tough team and 865 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: on any given week that can be any given team 866 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: like they are there. To me, you're just classic like 867 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: seven and nine, eight and eight team that on on 868 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: any given week they're gonna upset some teams, but they're 869 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 1: gonna have some terrible losses. I I I don't really 870 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,720 Speaker 1: look at them like a dark horse in this division 871 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: unless Patricia is just some star head coach and I 872 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just not seeing it. Hi, John pretty 873 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: new to the podcast in general. Uh podcast in general? Well, 874 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: welcome and you and Colin got the ball rolling from 875 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: my interest. Thanks man, I'm glad you're on board. What 876 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: do you think the standard is in terms of win wins, 877 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: overall team performance, et cetera for Hugh Jackson to keep 878 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: his job at the end of the season. Tied into that, 879 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: do you think Brown's participation in Hard Knocks is a 880 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: play for Jackson to improve his image as a head coach. Okay, 881 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: let's let's start with the first part. I think he's 882 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: basically a dead man walking. I think there is almost 883 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: no chance unless maybe Acre Mayfield would be the Rookie 884 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: of the Year. But even then, I would say that 885 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: Todd Haley would get a lot of credit because Hugh 886 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: Jackson has even said he is not calling the offense. 887 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: Todd Haley is gonna do it. I don't see how 888 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: he keeps his job. They'd probably have to go five 889 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: hundred or above. And when's the last time a team's 890 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: won one game in two years and then they won eight. 891 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: I mean that's a pretty big jump. I mean from 892 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: one season to the next seven games, you know. I mean, 893 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: let's say the Niners made the playoffs. This year they 894 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: went ten and six. They they only would have improved 895 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: four games they won six last year. Well, even if 896 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: the Raiders, let's say bounced back and made the playoffs 897 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: and went eleven and five Undergrouden, that would be a 898 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: five game improvement. Like seven games. This team is gonna 899 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: win seven games or seven game improvement. Actually last year 900 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: would be eight. But I'm just talking about two years. 901 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't see there's any chance he keeps his job. 902 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: We see this consistently gms like John Dorsey that have 903 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: a track record coming. He's gonna want his own guy. 904 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: He now has his quarterback, He's gonna want someone to 905 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: mold his quarterback. I kind of personally think if if 906 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: Baker has some success with Todd Haley, they have a 907 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: good relationship, that there's kind of an inside track of 908 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: Todd Haley getting the job to me. The image thing. 909 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: You know, Hugh was kind of the star, what was 910 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: it four or five years ago when the Cincinnati Bengals. 911 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: It might not even have been that long ago, maybe 912 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: three years ago, maybe it's a little longer than that. 913 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,720 Speaker 1: And he was a running back coach for the Cincinnati Bengals, 914 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: and you know, he's just he's got a personality for television. 915 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: He's funny, he's got a huge ego, talks a lot. 916 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he's one of the you know, 917 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 1: if you had a Hard Knocks draft of just coaches, 918 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: he would be near the top. Like you'd rather watch 919 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: him on Hard Knocks. I mean, you'd rather watch Belichick. 920 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: But Belichick wouldn't give you anything. At least he will 921 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: give you a lot. To me. The image thing, I 922 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: don't know if necessarily matters. I do I'm somewhat of 923 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist that the moment that the Browns didn't, 924 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, fire him, the Bengals who want him to 925 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: be the coach because they're very quirky organization and it's 926 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: not easy to work from Mike Brown, that they will 927 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 1: just wait for him to get fired this year, if 928 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: they win five or six games, Dorsey fires him, and 929 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,439 Speaker 1: then if the Bengals missed the playoffs, Marvin Lewis will 930 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: be on and Hugh Jackson will be their next coach. 931 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: That's kind of what I believe that will take shape. Now. 932 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily who Dorsey's candidates will be. Uh. 933 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: Like I said, I think that uh, Todd Haley has 934 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: a good chance just because of the Baker Mayfield and 935 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: the opportunity to, you know, make him look good anytime 936 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: you can get an offensive coach with the young quarterback teams, 937 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: just kind of lean that way. But I think you 938 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: was a dead man walk in the moment. John Dorsey 939 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: came in what was like week fifteen, week sixteen. That's 940 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: never a good sign. So again, this is a middle 941 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: Coff mail back. You can leave questions in iTunes. I 942 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 1: still got a bunch to get to over the summer. 943 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: Subscribe rate in the review section. Leave your question. I'm 944 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: glad you got a chance to hear Lincoln Riley. He's 945 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: he's a stud. I mean he's he's big time and 946 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: you can every week Wednesday at least we might even 947 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: up This Bad Boy come to Fall. Maybe you a 948 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: couple of weeks three and out. Podcast. This is John Middlecoff. 949 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: That's me hosting This Bad Boy, brought to you by 950 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: the Colin Coward Podcast. New