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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered because we are live from twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: training camp high above the practice fields at Jillette Stadium,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm joined by Paul Parrillo, Mike dus, Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazarre later Tamara Brown, and we're going to be giving

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Speaker 1: you the entire practice from our vantage point. We'll be

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Speaker 1: we'll have to go to audio per team rules, but

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Speaker 1: we'll give you what we see. I see Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: walking onto the field right now. The stands are full,

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Speaker 1: the hill is full. It's a good crowd. For a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: first day of training camp, and I think we're excited,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is how you picture it, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you had people tweeting last night Jalen Mills

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Speaker 4: You're right about the crowd, good strong crowd. Looks like

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Speaker 2: The weather well now, and there were some Patriots unfiltered

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of out there warming them up.

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Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales arriving for his first official practice, uh in

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Speaker 4: Get a look right there at one of the newer

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Speaker 4: Patriots just signed Jalen Hurd. Yeah, a wide receiver looking

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Speaker 2: I think they needed some death Paul, and that's you know,

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Speaker 2: I like eighty eight two. It looks good. In eighty

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Speaker 5: That's good.

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Speaker 2: It's a good number. I like that one, Paul.

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Speaker 4: You're infatuation with what they're wearing, you know, number ever

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Speaker 2: you think, Paul, what what do they always tend to do?

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Speaker 6: I guess you're gonna see some red zone.

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Speaker 1: Red zone Robert Kraft talking a long time video director,

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Speaker 2: It's who else we got out here? Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's warm, but it's not stifling hot yet,

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Speaker 2: To knock the rust off, Paul. It's can't just jump

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Speaker 2: right into hitting. Somebody might might get hurt. Thirty three

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Speaker 2: Some number changes this year, which Paul will go into

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Speaker 2: Bil Pepper's going back to his college.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's Anthony Jennings college number two.

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Speaker 4: So if you'd like me to tell say and Anthony

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Speaker 4: Jennings switch to thirty three.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Paul, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two is sneaking up the backside, but no ninety three.

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Speaker 2: Did you see how much I was sweating on that

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Speaker 1: We're gonna need you this year.

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Speaker 2: Where is everybody taking him into? Edgibill Pepper's making his

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Speaker 2: Has anybody seen Matthew Judon?

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Speaker 4: I have not circled Matthew Judon. I have a handful

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, But I did not have Judon circles.

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Speaker 5: I did not. I haven't who I have who.

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Speaker 2: Some teams don't let and I think I see yes,

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Speaker 2: Red and that is Matthew Judon. So that's that's good.

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Speaker 2: That would do. That would have gotten the old radar

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Speaker 5: Yes, did we see uh Nick Folk six? Because I

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Speaker 5: No, Cody Davis, when you know Calvin Anderson. Those are

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Speaker 2: You totally caught me off guard with that. As you transition,

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Speaker 1: With Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 4: Actually, we're gonna go and do his shows on his stage.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a nightly sixty minute variety show with

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Speaker 2: That's what I was waiting for, something like that.

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Speaker 1: Carol Lawrence and Carol Burnette will be his guests his

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Speaker 2: So do we ever find sixty six in blue? Let

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Speaker 2: I got you, Paul sixty six, okay.

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Speaker 5: You know, because it but also is it Bill or

441
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 5: is it right?

442
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to speculate here that I mean,

443
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: based on how my experience things have worked, that if

444
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: you really want a guy, then you go to the

445
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: man with the money and you say, we really want

446
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: this guy, we want to extend, and you know, then

447
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: the owner it can most probably say if you really

448
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: want them, you got them. I'm going to guess that

449
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,239
Speaker 2: they didn't want them that bad, They didn't want them

450
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 2: enough to go to the owner and say, you know,

451
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: we need to up this off for a little bit.

452
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: I think I think based on what he said, you

453
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: know what you kind of heard afterwards of what the Patriots,

454
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Greese reported this that they were a

455
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: little worried if he wasn't. You know, of course a

456
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: lot of their contracts are incentive later, but he's not

457
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: on track to meet those incentives. I think that there

458
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: was worries about are we going to lose the player?

459
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 2: Is the player going to be like unhappy and be

460
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: it disruption and then you know a whole problem. So

461
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: you know, right or wrong for you know, whatever you believe, Like,

462
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 2: I think that that is what they're getting out there,

463
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: of what their hesitation was to, you know, maybe try

464
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: to pony up with that extra money.

465
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Speaker 5: Not to lead off on a negative note, because it

466
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 5: is a day when a training camp, we should be excited,

467
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 5: but the incentives in the contract you make in that

468
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 5: bed yourself, like if you are worried about him being

469
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 5: unhappy with the fact that he's not on pace with

470
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Speaker 5: his incentives, and don't tie up all of his money

471
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Speaker 5: and incentive.

472
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Speaker 1: Right, And that was my right. I really think, you know,

473
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: we talked about it before, the whole pecking order, the

474
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: economics of what each player is making in the locker room,

475
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: what effect that has when you bring in a guy

476
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: like Hopkins, you've already signed Schuster to a number, You've

477
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: got you know, Parker at a number other players in

478
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: the locker room, what they're making. I think that's important

479
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: to Bill. I think he's aware of it. I think,

480
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, uh, in his mind, he knows what each

481
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: player should be making on that pecking order. And I

482
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: think they didn't want to disrupt that. I think that

483
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: was a big part of it. So like you could

484
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: justify it with incentives, but to just hand the guy guaranteed,

485
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, money, that's like fifteen sixteen. They weren't going

486
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: to do it.

487
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's I mean, it's it's funny how it

488
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: works out because in a few weeks we'll be down

489
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: in Tennessee and we'll get to see them. Yeah, Howkins

490
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 2: up close?

491
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: What that reality?

492
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: Like?

493
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, are the is there hugs between him and Bill?

494
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: Like what is that?

495
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 7: Like?

496
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 5: Yes, you know?

497
00:22:59,520 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

498
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 2: Or is you know, is Hopkins motivated to put on

499
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: a show at practice and you know, say, hey, this

500
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: is what you missed out on? Or is he not

501
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: even dressed? Who knows? You know, it's going to feed

502
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: the narratives one way or another, depending on.

503
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Speaker 4: I just feel like he could have helped the Patriots,

504
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 4: and I think he could have stepped in and been

505
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 4: the number one receiver. What he does in Tennessee really

506
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 4: is very of very little interest to me. He could

507
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: go there and blow up and be great, or he

508
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 4: could get hurt day one a training camp and not

509
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 4: play all year. To me, it doesn't change the narrative.

510
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 4: Like I think he could have helped the Patriots.

511
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: Have been their number one. Receive him, right, and we'll

512
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: never know.

513
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: Paul is positioning himself. So when people when he doesn't

514
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: have a good season, people say, see, it's a good

515
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: thing that inside him.

516
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 4: Right, Oh, no, that could happen. He could, he doesn't.

517
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 4: If he has a bad season, everybody's gonna say that.

518
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: But I don't know what would have happened if you

519
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: signed here.

520
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: Right right? No, I agree, I wanted to sign him.

521
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 4: I mean we got going on here, a bit of

522
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: a contact between some of the offensive and defensive player

523
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 4: as well.

524
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Speaker 2: Others, look like the some of the bigger guys, right.

525
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like Moses care is leading it. Who is

526
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: the head of strength and conditioning?

527
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a little different. Haven't seen this

528
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: look much?

529
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 5: This might be Remember in the spring, they were doing

530
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 5: those whatever calisthenics or whatever you want to call them.

531
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 5: I wonder if this is a way the big guys

532
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 5: are on their own thing. But this is all skill players, quarterbacks,

533
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 5: Yeah type of thing.

534
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: Right.

535
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 6: That was Moses in the middle, right, yeah.

536
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: Moses in the middle, the middle, knock in the middle.

537
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: What do you think of practice?

538
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: Now?

539
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: Moses then part of the huddle and.

540
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: Right too, right.

541
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: Jack Jones just out there participating like.

542
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: The nothing get used to it. Yeah, probably not going

543
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: to talk to the media, but I guess we'll We'll

544
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: just have to see. Yeah, well I would like to

545
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: talk about it, but I can't.

546
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, his next event is August eighteenth, is that correct?

547
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I believe so, and during joint practices with the Packers,

548
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: So maybe he's not a part of that trip. Maybe

549
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: he kind of joins later. But I mean, as we

550
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: talked about on the show, and I think Evan brought

551
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: it up, was you know, do you invest time in

552
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: this guy during training camp, right knowing that you know

553
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: you might not have him? Like I think that there's

554
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: a possibility. I'm sure the Patriots no more than we

555
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: do as far as what the NFL is thinking about

556
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: if you know, he might get suspended or anything like that,

557
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: or what the possible outcomes might be from that next

558
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: court hearing.

559
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: But well, it'll be interesting to monitor his reps when

560
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: is he on there, who is he with because because

561
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: that's exactly that point for exactly.

562
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: That's like he was all over the place in OTAs.

563
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he had a couple of interceptions one day.

564
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he just he looked crime to have a

565
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: really good second year as a you know, an outside

566
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: rotational corner between him, Gonzalez Jonathan Jones. That you had

567
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: three guys and you know, Mills is kind of now

568
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: in the middle of that, which I think is a

569
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: valuable thing to have with the uncertainty, you know, so

570
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: they it just it gave them that really valuable third

571
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: outside piece to to kind of keep guys fresh, to

572
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: not have to worry about overextending on Gonzalez and putting

573
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: too much on his plate. So they certainly could use

574
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: the player. And I think that's the biggest bummer of

575
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: all this situation.

576
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 5: For my money, he was the best player on the

577
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: field of the spring. Yeah, so at some point you

578
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: talked about Mills Jonathan Jones. If those guys have to

579
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 5: get ready to play outside corner because Jack Jones isn't

580
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 5: going to be there, that this is the time to

581
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: get him ready. You can't throw I mean, look, John

582
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 5: Jones's played a ton of football. Jalen Mills has played

583
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 5: a ton of football. So if you come to them

584
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 5: after August eighteenth and you're like, we got to kick

585
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 5: you back outside then I don't think it's the end

586
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 5: of the world, but you would just like to see,

587
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 5: especially with Christian Gonzalez being a rookie, him getting acclimated

588
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 5: and understanding with the same guys. You want to see

589
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 5: some continuity.

590
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: Especially with communication being such a thing in the secondary.

591
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: They're spinning, right, that's part of too. I mean, he

592
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: was probably a key piece of that communication. And you know,

593
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: a defense that spins the dial as much as they

594
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: do and has guys lining up in different positions, is

595
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: it's it's really vital that everybody's familiar with each other

596
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: and can talk and you know, knows what everything means.

597
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 5: And yeah, Belichick yesterday his press conference, talked a little

598
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 5: bit about that it was on the heels of Jwan

599
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: Bentley and that that whole conversation about the extension. But

600
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 5: he mentioned the communication without Devin mccorty and how Bentley

601
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 5: is going to take on a little bit more responsibility,

602
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 5: But he didn't mention anybody in the secondary for who's

603
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 5: going to make the checks back there, And that's going

604
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 5: to be an interesting thing to see, is that who

605
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 5: is that? Is it Adrian Phillips, Is it Kyle Duggar,

606
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 5: Like usually it's not a corner that's making those types

607
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: of adjustments. But Jonathan Jones certainly has the most experience

608
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 5: in the defense, So who's gonna be the one that

609
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: does that? Because whether his actual physical play was declining

610
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 5: or not, over the last couple of years, Devin mccordy

611
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 5: had that group on a string ye yeah, every single

612
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 5: week and now coverags it extremely valuable.

613
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: So I think Adrian Phillips a really interesting player for

614
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: me because I think he was such a you know,

615
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: kind of a Darling twenty twenty twenty twenty one when

616
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: he you know, it was such a great fit and

617
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: he was that versatile safety they love and was able

618
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: to do a bunch of things, and you know, I

619
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: think last year the question for me is how much

620
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: did having to go to special teams? I think when

621
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: Cody Davis got hurt, he took over, you know, a

622
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: larger amount of special team snaps and it seemed like,

623
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, it looks on paper like he had a

624
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: little bit of a dip as far as safety. Wasn't

625
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: as productive as a safety. So was that because he

626
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: was kind of having to do more on special teams

627
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: or is he kind of a guy that now is

628
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: on the back end and is maybe maybe fading. I

629
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: would hope that he's still got that ability to play safety,

630
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: and if that's the case, I think he could certainly

631
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: be the guy who's super smart on the back end

632
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: that can get everybody on the same page. Played a

633
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: high amount, not on a high amount, but a significant

634
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: amount of free safety snaps last year, so I think

635
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 2: he's got a little bit more of that maybe than

636
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: Duggar or Peppers has.

637
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean your guy, Pepper's played better than him

638
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 5: down the stretch on defense, more impactful totally on the ball.

639
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 5: And now you got Marty Mapu. Wherever he ends up playing,

640
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 5: if it's safety, if it's linebacker, it's probably gonna be

641
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: at the second level, regardless of what position they truly

642
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 5: call him. So that's another guy that could take away

643
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 5: reps or snaps from Adrian Phillips. So I love Adrian Phillips.

644
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 5: I think he's a good leader in the locker room.

645
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: I think he's a guy that that's a little bit

646
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: of a dark horse to be a captain this year potentially, sure,

647
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 5: but they've leaned so much into that keeping those types

648
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 5: of veteran guys around the last four or five years,

649
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 5: and I can't see it necessarily being a true cut candidate,

650
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: but it is somebody that you you look at and

651
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 5: you say, have a lot of bodies at that spot.

652
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: He's on my surprise list.

653
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: If Josh Bledsoe comes on too, and he ends up

654
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: being somebody that can factor in, it's.

655
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. That's why it's so interesting. Everything you'll

656
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: laid out, it's a It seems like it could go

657
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways with him.

658
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: Belichick was spending a little time one on one time

659
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: with Time Montgomery. Days with the now now he's with

660
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: the offense.

661
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Speaker 2: I think Time Montgomery is another guy you talk about

662
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: wild cards. I mean every practice I've seen Toime Montgomery

663
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: play in, he's heavily involved. He looks like he knows

664
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: what he's doing. He looks fast, he catches the ball well.

665
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: When they were running the wide zone stuff a lot

666
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: last year, he looked the most comfortable to me in it.

667
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: He only got him in one game, suffered a couple

668
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: injuries there toward the end of training camp and into

669
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: the early part of the season that cost him the

670
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: whole season. But you know, it's hard to try to

671
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: like Trumpet a guy who I don't know what is

672
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: a year, seven, year eight, you know, and say, oh,

673
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: he's going to be a breakout guy. But I just

674
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: can't ignore every time we've watched the practice that he

675
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: is heavily involved and seems like he's a funny guy.

676
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: He's I think that I would be anyhow, I would

677
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: be equally sort of not surprised if he is a

678
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 4: huge part of the offense or if he's cut like

679
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: it would not really stun me either way that wide

680
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: of a gap because of the reason why you just

681
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: said it's I think it's you have to go back

682
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: to twenty sixteen for the only time of his career

683
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: that he had eight hundred script jobs, right, And the

684
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 4: reason for that is not because he can't play. It's

685
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: because he hasn't really been able to stay healthy and

686
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 4: remain a part of a team's nucleus on offense. And

687
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: I think we saw that last year. I agree with

688
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: everything Mike just said. Every practice that we've seen he

689
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: looks like he knows what he's doing and he looks

690
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: effective doing what he's supposed to be doing. But you know,

691
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: unfortunately for him five years, Yeah, it's been a while

692
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: since he's been really an impact player.

693
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: In the league. Yeah, I'm with you, Paul. I mean,

694
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised either way.

695
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do think that he has the ability,

696
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: and I think it gives I think it gives Belichick

697
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: and Bill O'Brien a luxury in that he can provide

698
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: depth at both spots. You know, you don't want a

699
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: guy who's like your front line guy. Is he like

700
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: could play you's the one, you know that way, if

701
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 4: he's hurt, you'll lose two spots. But if he's like

702
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 4: the fifth receiver in the third running back, that's kind

703
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: of a valuable thing to have if you could do

704
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: those jobs equally effectively.

705
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he Bill O'Brien loves empty so much. He

706
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: loves to go five wide empty. And now you have

707
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 5: a piece in Time Montgomery who can play back, running back,

708
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 5: or receiver based off of defensive personnel, based off of

709
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: how they line up, Like all of a sudden, you

710
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 5: could motion him back into the backfield and run the ball,

711
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: or you.

712
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: Could motion him up.

713
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: We used to see them do that all the time

714
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 5: with James White, Shane Veren. You guys like that.

715
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: Find a matchup out why, right, is he we've talked

716
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: a little bit about too, the jitterbug, quick slot guy

717
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: that Bill O'Brien, McDaniels, that they all, they've all really amplified.

718
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: He might be one of the quicker guys on the team.

719
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: So is he somebody that starts running some routes from

720
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 5: that number three spot in the slot, the juke routs,

721
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 5: the option routes over the middle of the field. I

722
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: think that there's a lot of creativity that you can

723
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 5: have with the formations and the flexibility that he gives.

724
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and worth pointing out too. Right now he's warming

725
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: up with with the wide receivers, so oh yeah, you

726
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: know he's he's definitely a wide receiver. I just don't

727
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: know if he could stay healthy.

728
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: But my guess right now, you know, day one, I'm

729
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: going to be on the optimistic side and say that

730
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: that he a lot of the things they Evan just

731
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: talked about. He's that's what the plan is, and that's

732
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: what he's going to open the season doing. Yeah, hopefully

733
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: he can stay a part of it, because I do

734
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: think he provides some value there.

735
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Speaker 2: Enjoying watching a little bit of juju too. I mean,

736
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: we mentioned he wasn't out there for any OTAs or

737
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: any camp and you know, having Jacoby Myers established such

738
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: a level of consistency the last few seasons and you know,

739
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: wasn't the most explosive, you know, dynamic, Oh my gosh,

740
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, blow your mind with all these crazy plays

741
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: kind of a catch, but he's just consistent there third down,

742
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: got to have it moments. Jacoby came down with plenty

743
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: of those, and tough catches too. So what's that trade

744
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 2: off look like? Yeah, going from Kobe to Juju.

745
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can you can see, you can already tell

746
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: that he's going to be that guy in practice that

747
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: kind of brings the energy. Uh. He was over by

748
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: the crowd just before or you know, revving them up

749
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: and they were reacting to him. You know, he's that

750
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: guy that he likes to have fun and so he'll

751
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: be kind of like that Cam Newton guy dancing and

752
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: getting his teammates.

753
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 5: Him and Kendrick Borne.

754
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you need that point, you need that that's the.

755
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 5: Tipping point for the offense. It's Juju and Kasiki going

756
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 5: in for Myers and for Johnny. If they can be

757
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 5: better than those two guys, then maybe this offense does

758
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 5: end up being better than we think.

759
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: And how do you guys, what do you guys think

760
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: with Marcus Jones this year? I mean, what do you

761
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: how do you think his involvement is going to be

762
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: in terms of offense defense. I mean, obviously he's gonna

763
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: probably return punts, that's probably a pretty easy bet. But

764
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: what do you think they're gonna do with with Marcus Jones.

765
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Speaker 4: I think that's another one that's sort of reliant on

766
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: Jack Jones. And back to the conversation that we had

767
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: at the start when they came out, we were doing

768
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: attendance because if Jack Jones and Christian Gonzales a year

769
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 4: short fire starting corners on the outside, and Jonathan Jones

770
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: can play in the slot, and now you have some

771
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: depth with Jalen Mills with the rest of the safeties

772
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 4: that we talked about, then there's not really that urgency

773
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: to have Marcus Jones be a huge part of the secondary.

774
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: And I think that frees you up.

775
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: I don't think ideally you want to do what you

776
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: did last year in a couple of games and have

777
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: him now taking significant snaps in all three faces.

778
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: But I look at Marcus Jones as sort of like

779
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: a specialty player, even at cornerback. I look at him like,

780
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, when you're playing Miami and you need someone

781
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: to just stick with Tyreek Hill, not necessarily you know,

782
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: back down passes, but just be hon as much, but

783
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: just be with him so that when he makes the

784
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: catch there's not a lot of extra yards. I see

785
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: him playing, you know, being that speed corner that sticks

786
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: with other guys speed. Obviously he's going to return punts.

787
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: I still think that they'll use him from time to

788
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: time on offense, you know, just throw him in there

789
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: from time to time. But I hope that that's not

790
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: a big role.

791
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: I like the idea of him not having to play

792
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: a lot of corner rights and then he gets he

793
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: needs to and he's and he's he's a special Like

794
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: when you started, I was really on board. How you said,

795
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 4: like a sort of a specialty at all of them.

796
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

797
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 1: I don't.

798
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm not sold on his ability to be a corner

799
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: now this league. I think he's too small.

800
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, certainly against Matt Collins last year.

801
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't want you don't want him down the edge,

802
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: you know.

803
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: I think he chases fifty. I think he chases a lot,

804
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: that's all I mean.

805
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: I it's a hard job. I mean that slot corner

806
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: stuff in that league. I mean it's it's really really hard. Yeah, Like,

807
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: and he was a rookie, and you know, I certainly

808
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: am willing to watch year two jump and see how

809
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 4: much more comfortably he looks as a secondary guy.

810
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: But he's just never going to be taller than five eights, right.

811
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: I like the idea of him sort of being, oh, yeah,

812
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 4: we can use him at corner in a pinch if.

813
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: You need him. But I don't know, maybe you know,

814
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: Evan's our film guy, but you know, is there a

815
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: role for a guy who you know sticks with your

816
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: speed guy?

817
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: And as if he does.

818
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: But as he travels through zones, he gets help in

819
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: the various zones.

820
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, or in you know, more times that the

821
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: help would come from from man, you know. But like

822
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: I think that the thing is with him is that

823
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 5: he's gonna, to Fred's point, you're gonna match him up

824
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: against guys you're not. He's not gonna have to go

825
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 5: and run outside with T Higgins like in a week

826
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 5: to week basis. So if he's in the slot, then

827
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 5: if you're playing a team that uses guys that are

828
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: bigger slot receivers, and he's probably not.

829
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Your slot corner that way exactly.

830
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 5: But if you're playing guys that have, you know, the

831
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 5: quicker slots or the speed slots and those types of things,

832
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 5: then I agree with Fred that I think that he

833
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 5: can be an effective player there in a lot of ways.

834
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 5: I think he's got a great, great, maybe the best

835
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 5: possible guy to learn from in Jonathan Jones of how

836
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: to use four three speed and on defense and how

837
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 5: to cover guys with your speed being an advantage. And

838
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 5: I think Jonathan Jones a little bit bigger than him,

839
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: but it's not like Jonathan Jones is four or five

840
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 5: inches taller. He's I think an inch and a half

841
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: taller maybe, So I think that it's similar, and I

842
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 5: think he's gonna be a defensive player. I think Marcus

843
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 5: Jones wants to be a corner. I don't think he

844
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 5: wants to play receiver. And ideally, it goes back to

845
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 5: all the conversations we had all off season about the

846
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 5: receiver position, that that's something that you have, it's like

847
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: a trick play, like that's something you have in your

848
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 5: back pocket. If you're relying on Marcus Jones having to

849
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 5: be this explosive playmaker for you on offense. It's probably

850
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: because the other guys aren't making plays.

851
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: I agree, And I don't want to rely on that either,

852
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: just like I don't want to have to rely on

853
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 4: a wildcat package with an undrafted rookie year.

854
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: Well, you use the wordly and I don't want to.

855
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that tells me that my offense is started.

856
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: But neither I or Evan said rely on it. It's

857
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: just something that you have, like when you think this

858
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: could work here, you've practiced it and you're ready to mantics.

859
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 6: And we don't have to get bogged down it.

860
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 4: But my point is, if your offense is good, you're

861
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: not looking at some other way to move the ball.

862
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: That's my point.

863
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 5: I just look at the Cam Newton here and how

864
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 5: effective they were in short yardage because the quarterback's legs

865
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: were a fact. That's that's all that I look at.

866
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: I mean, they were a really good red zone rushing

867
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 5: team in the Cam Newton. You're as bad as they

868
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: were in other areas, and they were really good in

869
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: that area because.

870
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: The quarterback he was effective running the ball.

871
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 5: No doubt they're playing eleven on eleven right, And I

872
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 5: think if you don't have a full back those third

873
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 5: and ones, and you're not gonna have a lead blocker

874
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 5: to lead the way, it just it allows you in

875
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 5: a numbers advantage that you don't normally have with Mac.

876
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: And I think that that can be a factor. Not

877
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: something that you do, you know, fifteen twenty times a game,

878
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: but something that you do two or three. If that

879
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 5: then that who knows, maybe it can be a factor.

880
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: Just a couple of observations here. We got Michael I got,

881
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: I got Marty Mapu and Jalen Mills are with the

882
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: safety group warming up, and I have Steve Belichick is

883
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: is working with the safety group. It seems like he's

884
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: coaching them up right now. So just a couple little persons.

885
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: They're actually you know, they're down a coach because Brian

886
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Belichick suffered an injury during the off season, so I

887
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: don't think he's out there and I don't think he'll

888
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: be out there. Uh, so you know, they're down a

889
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: coach there in the in the secondary.

890
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: And I believe Steve. Steve had coached the safeties previously,

891
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: so you know, and.

892
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 5: Then they have Girodd to coach the linebackers for the time.

893
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so probably not a huge, huge deal, but

894
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: just interesting, certainly with Mills and ma and Mapu kind

895
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: of getting their early work.

896
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: I hate that Maphus with the safeties.

897
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: I hate it.

898
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 5: It just it irks my It grinds my gears. Mike, Yeah,

899
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 5: it grinds my gears. It does.

900
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. It's a line he's a linebacker.

901
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 6: Like his hair on fire.

902
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 5: This team, this team would get Matt Mulano and they

903
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: would make him a safety. Like it just it drives

904
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: me nuts, like you finally have somebody that can run

905
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 5: sideline to sideline. And when you watch him in college,

906
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 5: and I know it was against a lower level of competition,

907
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: but when you watch him in college, the kid can hit,

908
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 5: Like he comes downhill at the line of scrimmage and

909
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 5: he can blow people up. Like, go watch him at

910
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl if you don't want to watch him

911
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 5: at Sacramento State because you don't think it was good

912
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 5: enough football. Like he's coming downhill and blowing up wide

913
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: zone and all sorts of stuff. Like he's a physical kid.

914
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 5: I don't know why. I mean, look, if he plays

915
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: box safety and he plays the Adrian Phillips role or

916
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 5: the Jabriel Peppers role, And I guess it's semantics like

917
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 5: he's playing at the second level either way.

918
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: They're just not going to play him at first, first,

919
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: and second down mostly, you know, on as a linebacker, which.

920
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 5: Troubles me because that's when teams run option football, Like

921
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 5: that's when read option comes out. That's when RPO comes out.

922
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: RPO and read option stuff typically is not You're not

923
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 5: running that on third and eight. That's what you run

924
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 5: on first and ten. So if he's not going to

925
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 5: be out there for all three downs, then what you're

926
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: misusing it? Like, then what's the purpose?

927
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: I mean, is there something to be said that Maybe

928
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: it's about learning the defense from the back end first,

929
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe it's starting him there for a

930
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: certain reason and maybe not necessarily closing the book on

931
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: him potentially moving the linebacker full time.

932
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 5: Maybe.

933
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: I just this is my thing. I just I don't

934
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: think they're gonna play him at the line. I think

935
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: you're totally right. And one of the biggest problems too,

936
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: I feel like is they play so heavy and with

937
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: that two gap style with no penetration, you know, when

938
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: teams I feel I can take advantage of that, and

939
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: I think teams have been taken advantage of it.

940
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 5: I mean last year in the Buffalo game here, the

941
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 5: Bills didn't really run for like six yards of carryer

942
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 5: or anything like that, but they were getting four, three,

943
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 5: four or five at a time just because they were

944
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 5: just slowly gradually moving the line at scrimmage and there

945
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 5: was no penetration in the backfield. And he's just somebody

946
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 5: that we saw it in the spring that when he

947
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: sees it and he can just come downhill like a

948
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 5: missile and he can make plays all over the field,

949
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 5: and I just want to see him at the second level.

950
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 5: So I guess it's semantics, like if they end up

951
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 5: using him as that box safety, that hybrid linebacker safety

952
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 5: position that they have in their defense, then so then whatever,

953
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 5: if he's not working with the linebackers, and I guess

954
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 5: it's fine, But I just I wanted him thinking like

955
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 5: a linebacker. I want him out there playing like a linebacker.

956
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: Where he starts really isn't as important as where he

957
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: ends up after the ball snapped, you know. And you know,

958
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: we talked about big Nickel or whatever you want to

959
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: call that position. He could still perform those duties, Evan,

960
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, yep, so we'll see, you know, we we

961
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: have high hopes for him with third round pick.

962
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he was one of the darlings of OTAs

963
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: just because he was you know, like you don't want

964
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: to get too enamored with what happens without pads or

965
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: anything like that, but but he just you know, when

966
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: you see these rookies come out here, some rookies look overwhelmed.

967
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: Some guys you know, they don't do anything. You like,

968
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: was that guy even out there? But he was one

969
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: consistently out there getting reps, getting opportunities. And it'll be

970
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: nice to see when of the Red Jersey comes back

971
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: because I think, as Evan alluded to, he hit like

972
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: he puts his shoulder into guys like you wouldn't believe

973
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: in it. I mean, I know it's a you know,

974
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: FCS level, but he he turned some heads down there

975
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl, and I think that's probably where

976
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots.

977
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, So this first practice, so you know, it'll

978
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: be more of a walkthrough type practice. There's no pads today,

979
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: not even shells, and they'll slowly ramp up until the

980
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: point where we expect on Monday they will have pads on.

981
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: I think you know CBA rules don't allow pads. It's

982
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: not a Patriots thing. Oh, we're not gonna you can't.

983
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: Even if Belichick wanted to put pads on day one,

984
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: he couldn't.

985
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: This is part of the acclamation period.

986
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a good point that you bring up, because

987
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 4: I know that in recent years there's been I won't

988
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: say a lot, but there's.

989
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: Been some talk among the media, among the talk.

990
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: Shows and whatnot about, well, Belichick's lightning up on him

991
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: as he's getting older. He seems to be camp is easier.

992
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 4: I don't think it's all by design.

993
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: Some of it is. Some of it.

994
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 6: I think that they've sort of.

995
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 4: Try to revolutionize some of their training methods and getting

996
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: the players off the feet a little bit more. But

997
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: this early acclamation stuff is CBA mandated. They have to be,

998
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: like Fred said, no pads the first two days, the second,

999
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 4: the second two days they practice or in shells before

1000
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: they can even start to get into the equipment. And

1001
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: then I think it's something like they can't be in

1002
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: pads more than three days in a row. Every five days.

1003
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 4: You have to have an off day. So I think

1004
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 4: that what happens once those things start to pile up,

1005
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: you know, some of the some of the football experts

1006
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 4: chime in and tell you Bill's going soft on them.

1007
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, has high school followed suit Paul do. Yeah, this

1008
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: high school is stringent about no pads and all that.

1009
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: So they, yeah, they can't be in pads for I

1010
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 4: think the first full week. I think it's six full

1011
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: days on the field without pads. And they do have

1012
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 4: and I should point out the Patriots and all NFL

1013
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: teams are allowed to do two practices in the day.

1014
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 4: They can't both be padded and they and they are

1015
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: limited to a total of four hours, So they could

1016
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 4: go two hours in pads if they wanted to go

1017
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: in you know, sort of rehab whatever, watch the film,

1018
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: whatever they want to do, and come back out and

1019
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: do two more hours unpadded if they so choose. And

1020
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 4: I think that they do walk through sort of tempo

1021
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: in the afternoon that's not open to the media, not

1022
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: open to the public on occasion, but just I know

1023
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people like in my day it was

1024
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: two a day's Well, Fred and I were around when

1025
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: they did two a days at Bryant College. The two

1026
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: practices were never both padded. No one of them was

1027
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 4: always in pads, and one of them wasn't. Right now,

1028
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: back in the day when we used to get to

1029
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 4: watch both practices and get to get more like I

1030
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 4: had to.

1031
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: There was that morning and afternoon session, and to.

1032
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 4: Be honest, a lot of us we would really divide

1033
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 4: that up, and some of the outlets would just say,

1034
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: can you do me a favor?

1035
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: Let me know who died? You know, if if someone dies,

1036
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: can you let me know, because they would be writing, Man,

1037
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: I that's some of my I don't. I guess I

1038
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: call him fond memories. But when I had double sessions.

1039
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: My first year of playing football was when I actually

1040
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: discovered the gatorade powder like everyone's had regular gatoraye, but

1041
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: the gatorade powder that you mix with waters and art

1042
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: to it. And oh man, I couldn't believe I had

1043
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: to go back on the field after that morning practice.

1044
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: It was just so hot and get a headache, guzzling

1045
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: neck powdered gatorade like you know, and it's probably way

1046
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: too sweet, not enough water.

1047
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 5: But I never got a good mix with the powdered

1048
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 5: water to range can I have a little observation.

1049
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: They used to give us salt pills.

1050
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: I didn't get pills with the hydrae. I didn't do.

1051
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: Does that not make sense?

1052
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: It was the worst thing for you. I don't think.

1053
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 5: I don't think the scientists want to.

1054
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well.

1055
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: This is another one of those Paul things that he

1056
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: knows just a little bit about, probably going to get

1057
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 4: it all wrong.

1058
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 6: But when you are sweating, you need.

1059
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 4: To replace some of that that sodium that you're losing, right,

1060
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 4: That's what was the theory about.

1061
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: That was the theory behind salt pills, Like it's.

1062
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: Not necessarily dehydrated, Like salt's going to dehydrate you. And

1063
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 4: but obviously you don't want to just be like downing salt.

1064
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 4: Like chips when you're at the beach are always something

1065
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 4: that you know, a.

1066
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 6: Bag of chips, potato chips. Yeah, just to get a little.

1067
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: Of the sodium in you to replace what you're sweating.

1068
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 2: But go ahead, Evan, I think I know what do

1069
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: we got?

1070
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 5: What do we got? Anything?

1071
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: Do you?

1072
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1073
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know.

1074
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 6: By looking at his face, I don't think he don't.

1075
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 5: I just a couple of weeks ago I went to

1076
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: max a charity thing with the boys and girls covered

1077
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 5: Y M c A or whatever, and I noticed it then.

1078
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 5: But it's in good shape. It's like he's in really

1079
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 5: good shape, like low key fit king status different. I

1080
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: think he looked interesting seeing him up close at the

1081
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 5: at the event. He looks swollen like not.

1082
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 4: Just like skinny body change interesting.

1083
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: I think that a couple of years ago because I I,

1084
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's the best shape in my life season, right.

1085
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 5: I think he looks fitter now than he did last year,

1086
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 5: and that was supposed to be the big you know,

1087
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 5: mac loss weight. He stopped eating ice cream like that

1088
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 5: all came last year, last offseason and all his teammates saying,

1089
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 5: oh he lost the gut. I think he's even better shape.

1090
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: I know if he has you know, his own trainer

1091
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: or is he just going through football.

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Speaker 2: Just kicking it up as he goes.

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Speaker 5: He has his own team, I mean all these quarterbacks too,

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Speaker 5: It's not just him.

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Speaker 2: So that was not what I thought you're gonna say.

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Speaker 2: But this is an observation that that, you know, we've

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Speaker 2: talked about sometimes certain guys are with you know, the

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Speaker 2: else is sorry, Douglas Uh is the only one here

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Speaker 2: what you will. Time Montgomery's over there as well with

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Speaker 2: Pierre Strong. So those three guys are you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: Paul Parrillo, Mike dus So, Evan Lazar high above the

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Speaker 1: practice fields at Patriots training camp. We are live twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three training camp, and right now Mac is leading

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00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: the skill position players in some red zone drills, doing

1170
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: some passes. Same thing going on on the far side

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Speaker 1: of the field with with Zappi defense is to our left.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing. They're doing the same stuff. Yeah,

1173
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: they're doing the same stuff.

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Speaker 6: They're preparing defensively from the.

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Speaker 1: Other side of the ball. But right now, you know

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Speaker 1: I heard Evans saying Mac dropping dimes, is that this

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Speaker 1: is the.

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Speaker 2: Time against times against a If you're not dropping times here,

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Speaker 2: you're your probably JV high school team.

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Speaker 5: Well, right, but I'm always does look good against its

1181
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 5: always dropping times.

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Speaker 1: I'm always interested to see who Belichick is spending his

1183
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: time with and right now he's with Mac in that group.

1184
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Speaker 2: Yep, so Bill O'Brien and then doesn't trust Billy. Oh huh, No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure where where Joe Judge is at the

1186
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: middle of the field right now. Yeah, see, you know,

1187
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Speaker 2: I mean we saw a lot of Joe Judge with

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Speaker 2: the special teams and you know, now it's it's almost

1189
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Speaker 2: like they're divided, divide it up and you know, Cam

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Speaker 2: a Court's working with with the punters over here, and

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Speaker 2: then I'm not sure who Joe Judge is working with,

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Speaker 2: but it looks like some coverage guys. So there's plenty

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Speaker 2: of special teams to go around.

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Speaker 1: Paul.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think as.

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Speaker 2: Many coaches as he think, he's involved in everything.

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Speaker 4: When you're the assistant head coach and you know, beating

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Speaker 4: his bio and whatnot. Like, I don't think he's just

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Speaker 4: the Special teams coordinate. I think he's involved in a

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Speaker 4: lot of things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, I would.

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Speaker 5: I'd wonder how many teams have three special teams coaches

1203
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Speaker 5: on staff, Like I don't. Actually, it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 5: how big the staff is, not it counts against the

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Speaker 5: salary cap or something like that to have to have

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Speaker 5: a big staff, but they have three guys now basically

1207
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Speaker 5: exclusively on the practice field at least dedicated after the.

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Speaker 1: Last year's performance, they might need it. So I you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that do think that special

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Speaker 1: teams plays a role and it's important and you can

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Speaker 1: you can certainly lose games by bad special teams play.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can you can win them with good special

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Speaker 4: team play too, like they did against the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a factor. So what do we have now, Well.

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Speaker 2: We're moving on to something here and some punting Marcus Jones.

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Speaker 4: Marcus Jones first special teams periods looks like looks like

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Speaker 4: some shell work with the vice guys on on one

1219
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Speaker 4: field vice and gunners, and on the other field, it's

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Speaker 4: more of the interior guys lined up doing some some

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Speaker 4: punt simulation and it looks like Barringer and Weightman getting

1222
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Speaker 4: some reps here on the left field, the left side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now got some hang times. Macus still working

1224
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Speaker 1: with you know, the receivers. He's got the running backs

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Speaker 1: in there too, So it looks like they're doing their

1226
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Speaker 1: short yardage pass plays type of walkthrough with all the

1227
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks not just Mac, They're all in the same group

1228
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Speaker 1: in the far side of the field there and in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the field. They've got the special teams,

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Speaker 1: you know, the starting from you know, how do you

1231
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Speaker 1: start the play? You know, So they've got the not cones,

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Speaker 1: but they've got the markers there to make sure that

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Speaker 1: the alignment on at the snap is correct. Just just

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's fundamentals, it's breaking it down and building

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Speaker 1: it back up.

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Speaker 2: How hard do you think this day is for the players,

1237
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: Like just the first day out there, not really contact,

1238
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Speaker 2: but I mean a guy's in just such good shape

1239
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: now that this is you know, this this day doesn't

1240
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Speaker 2: really have much of an impact. I just remember from

1241
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Speaker 2: playing sports, the first day back, no matter how much

1242
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: shape you were, no matter how you felt, the first day,

1243
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: you were exhausted and up and oh yeah, I wonder

1244
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: if it's if it's similar even for today's modern NFL athletes.

1245
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, your boy Douglas by the way, taking some of

1246
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: these reps.

1247
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1248
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 4: So turning in between Marcus Jones and Miles Bryant.

1249
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Speaker 1: And we talked about, you know how the intendance was

1250
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: really good and encouraging. Yesterday they had their conditioning run,

1251
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: and if you hadn't, if you didn't pass your conditioning run,

1252
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be out here right now. So that's a

1253
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Speaker 1: good sign. The guys came not just without injury, but

1254
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Speaker 1: in shape.

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Speaker 4: Right, And the NFI stuff sometimes is an indication of that.

1256
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Speaker 4: And someone did you guys mention there was someone on

1257
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 4: NFI but immediately came off.

1258
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mitchell Mitchell, Yeah, Marcus Mitchell.

1259
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: They might have let him take a second shot at it.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if he just said, listen, I cramped up,

1261
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Speaker 4: can I take it again? Or something like that. Yeah,

1262
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 4: and he passed at the second time, right.

1263
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Speaker 2: I saw him walking off the field yesterday. They looked

1264
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: they look pretty tired. But I saw Kyle Vanoy tweeted

1265
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: out that they got a good one. Yeah, they got

1266
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Speaker 2: a good.

1267
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Speaker 5: One, so they some James White went on a podcast

1268
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 5: recently talked about it. But basically it's twenty sixty yards

1269
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 5: sprints with like a thirty second break at ten.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if they've changed it, but that

1271
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 4: varies by position, right, and by length.

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00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 5: So what if most of the varying is how much

1273
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 5: when I say twenty sixty yard sprints is not just

1274
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 5: you have to complete it in your all set, you

1275
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 5: have to do it in a certain amount of time.

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Speaker 4: Correct, Each one has to be done in a certain

1277
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 4: amount of time, and they all have to be done

1278
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Speaker 4: in a certain right time.

1279
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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: So in other words, your time to rest in between

1281
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: is limited.

1282
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, and then Trent Brown's time would be different

1283
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: than yeah time Montgomery.

1284
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably totally as different as you would think, which

1285
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: is always surprising with how big those how well those

1286
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: big guys move.

1287
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Speaker 5: David Andrews said at his press conference yesterday that a

1288
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 5: regular person that's in shape would be able to do

1289
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 5: the offensive line conditioning test. He said, like, if you

1290
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Speaker 5: you know your guy that goes to the gym four

1291
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Speaker 5: or five days a week, like you'd probably be able.

1292
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Speaker 2: To four or five days a week. Yeah, that's a lot,

1293
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Speaker 2: I challenged, not accepted. Duvie. We did have a I

1294
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Speaker 2: was when I was doing the Patriots blog. We have

1295
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Speaker 2: one of the writers. He volunteered to do it and

1296
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: he videotaped himself doing it and uh, yeah, he got sick.

1297
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Speaker 2: It was really hard, really yeah. Yeah, to me, it's

1298
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Speaker 2: all about the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, there's no rest, like you it's got to

1300
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Speaker 4: like go now, Like today, I couldn't do it at all.

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Speaker 4: But absolutely I could have done it, say, ten years ago,

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Speaker 4: but the time would be the issue because I'm slow.

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Speaker 6: I'm very slow. I'm slow afoot.

1304
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my problem too. I could do it from

1305
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 5: like a an endurance standpoint. It's the speed that I

1306
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 5: couldn't do.

1307
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: Now today, I couldn't do any any of it endurance

1308
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 4: speed whatever, nothing, I'd die.

1309
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 5: That was always my issue. Could I could run for days,

1310
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 5: but I could only run.

1311
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: Out one fast one speed. I always wanted to be fast.

1312
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: What's it like to be nikon? Oh tell us?

1313
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: Just to dust people like, just to know that no

1314
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: one can catch you. I must be nice. So this

1315
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: seems like we're getting maybe something.

1316
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 4: Anyway, Wait, a special teams period is wrapping up, so

1317
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 4: we can go back to watching practice.

1318
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: What is that competitive period here? So yeah, let's uh

1319
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: getting an early look here at the defense Lawrence guy

1320
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: back in his usual spot there at the left defensive

1321
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: end position. Yep.

1322
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: And as they always do, they they always start in

1323
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: that red zone, right, Paul.

1324
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is I think looking forward to the question tomorrow, it's.

1325
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 5: Gonna be some run stuff. I twitched the inn do

1326
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 5: a ton of in the spring.

1327
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so remonder in the backfield inside zone.

1328
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 5: Sorry, I don't know.

1329
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, this time they they gave ed Lee a

1330
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: little little jet sweep.

1331
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: I'm still not I still don't know what direction they're

1332
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 5: going in with the run game. Like, I don't know

1333
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 5: if they're going back to the Scarneckia McDaniel's power schemes

1334
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 5: or if they're going to try the zone thing again.

1335
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 5: I I just haven't done enough of it, so I

1336
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 5: haven't I can't really tell where where they're at right now.

1337
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: Riley Reef at right tackle, guy, I want to right

1338
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: guard in place of Mike.

1339
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: We mentioned it at the top, But I also I

1340
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: want to go back to the size of the crowd today.

1341
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: It's actually swelled size craff. You look at the stands,

1342
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: but then you look down the spine here. I mean

1343
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: it is packed with People's good.

1344
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: It's good, solid opening day crowd.

1345
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1346
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: It's worth pointing out too that the stands are one

1347
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: of the hottest places on Earth during this Like there

1348
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: was just no escaping the sun on those seats, So

1349
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: I imagine a lot of people are probably more company

1350
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: I got here earlier.

1351
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 4: And I also think the size of that that hill

1352
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 4: over here that people like to sit.

1353
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 6: On, Fred is kind of shrunk, yeah, in recent years.

1354
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: But that's packed.

1355
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 4: No, it's definitely packed. But I'm saying I think that's

1356
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 4: necessitating a lot of the people standing standing behind.

1357
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: If you look, if you look used to be hill area,

1358
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: if you look straight down though, where there's a lot

1359
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of people down there. So I'd say,

1360
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: what twenty thirty thousand, that.

1361
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 4: Sounds about just kidding, No, but I a good, good,

1362
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 4: solid opening day crowd.

1363
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: I think there's like three four thousand.

1364
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: Fred likes to to sort of tell you that there's

1365
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 4: five thousand every day.

1366
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: Today. There's a good solid crowd today. Yeah, Hey, first

1367
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: day of KIM. That's what it's about.

1368
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: Yep. Get those giveaways, eat the food, free parking, non

1369
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: good tape, red zone.

1370
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: It's really telling.

1371
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know how much I'm supposed to give away,

1372
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 5: but some of the things that they're doing schematically with

1373
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 5: mac over here. This is what This is what makes

1374
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 5: me excited about having Bill O'Brien back in the building

1375
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 5: because it's not just the play designs themselves, but you

1376
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 5: can see how they like build up to the different

1377
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 5: creative things that they're going to do with the run

1378
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 5: game and marrying that to urpo, marrying that to play action,

1379
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 5: and that's sort of what we're seeing now. First it

1380
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 5: started just inside runs, inside runs. Then they attach the

1381
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 5: pass routes to it, and then they now they're back

1382
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 5: under center and you can just see the sequencing and

1383
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 5: like sort of the build up of how they're installing

1384
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 5: and the entire thing, Like.

1385
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: Everything you're saying right now is like, you know, that's

1386
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: what players want. You know, like there's a purpose to it.

1387
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: They know what they're doing. We go back to last year,

1388
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: you think, like that's what they weren't getting. I feel like,

1389
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, they just they what's the plan?

1390
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 5: Like last year it just felt like we talked about

1391
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 5: it sometimes, you know, during the season it felt like

1392
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 5: how I play Madden where I'm just like grabbing plays

1393
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 5: right and it just but here you can see, Okay,

1394
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 5: we're gonna do this, and then we're going to add

1395
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 5: this to it, and then we're gonna add that to it.

1396
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 5: And that's that's how you build up the reps and

1397
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 5: you build up the confidence and and what you're running

1398
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 5: and the knowledge and what you're running. So it's I

1399
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 5: would have it's so different.

1400
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: I would have thought that you would have designed your

1401
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: own playbook for Madden.

1402
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 4: No.

1403
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: I think like you're like, No, I got my own

1404
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: playbooks elements that I've pulled from various I did that too,

1405
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: But you know.

1406
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: Not to not to harp on the past. But you know,

1407
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: it's not like Patricia hasn't seen how offenses build up

1408
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: exactly how you're talking. But for some reason it broke down.

1409
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 6: They didn't want it to work. Yeah, they never allowed.

1410
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: It to even have a chance.

1411
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1412
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 4: And by they, I mean the members of the offense

1413
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 4: too many of them anyway.

1414
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was just a complete breakdown and guys

1415
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: didn't buy in for whatever reason. It was just a

1416
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: bad situation.

1417
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 4: And it will be I mean, listen, Bill O'Brien is

1418
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: a good solid offense or coordinator. The stuff that Evans

1419
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 4: just said will happen. They will have a purpose, and

1420
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 4: they will do a better job of setting things up

1421
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 4: and understanding sequences than they did last year. I don't

1422
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 4: think there's much doubt about that. But they have to

1423
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 4: go out and execute it.

1424
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just think the point more so is just

1425
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 5: it's the building of the fundamentals and the actual actions

1426
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 5: that they're going to be using that you start here

1427
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 5: in stage one on day one, and you really start

1428
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 5: with the basics and then you build it up and

1429
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 5: build it up and build it up to the more

1430
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 5: complex stuff. And if you don't, it just felt like

1431
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 5: last year that they didn't start at square one. That's

1432
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 5: really it. And you know, they you can see, Okay,

1433
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 5: you know this is we're gonna do this, and then

1434
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 5: we're gonna run this off of it, and then we're

1435
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 5: gonna run that off of it, but it's not. We

1436
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 5: don't get to the second and third step in the

1437
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 5: process until we mastered number one. And those were the

1438
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 5: things that I think they cut corners on last year

1439
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 5: and that's what affected games well.

1440
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: And you know, for us, it didn't look that way

1441
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: because they were they were implementing that new scheme. So

1442
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was cutting corners, but it

1443
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: just didn't look the same because they were right right

1444
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: from the get go trying something new and.

1445
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: That requires reps, right.

1446
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: And it just threw everyone off.

1447
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 4: It never looked right now, it didn't from the second

1448
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 4: day of training camp on, it never looked right.

1449
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: It did not look right, and we saw it like

1450
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: my layman's eyes. I'm I'm no expert, but even I

1451
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: said this, this isn't right. And I, you know, naively

1452
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: thought that they'll get it. You know, it's new for everyone.

1453
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: Eventually they'll catch on. And they never did. They never did,

1454
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: and you know, I think at times they reverted back

1455
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: to the old ways and then kept it was just.

1456
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: But again, I don't want to It's a new season,

1457
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We're starting over, new new offensive coordinator. Uh,

1458
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go.

1459
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 5: A lot of wow, a lot of ready, a lot

1460
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 5: of zone running in that that goal line sequence, a

1461
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 5: lot of enthusiasms inside zone, split mid like they were not.

1462
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 5: That was not pull the guard and come down. He'll

1463
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 5: let people so that that's interesting. Might get something real

1464
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 5: going here, as.

1465
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: Real as you can get in shorts and t shirty

1466
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: in the red zone.

1467
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: Paul, I'm guessing it's my guess. Yeah, they got tired

1468
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: of working in that red zone. They're gonna start working

1469
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: on this one. I think it'll probably be seven on seven.

1470
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 4: I think the linemen have gone to the inferno.

1471
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: So this is the stuff that you're like, do I

1472
01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: read too much? Into that.

1473
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 4: Yes, the answer to that for every single one of us.

1474
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 4: We did every single day.

1475
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, it was Dante's Inferno. Now it's the Yates

1476
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: of Hell.

1477
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: Okay, good one, Fred Workshop, Where did you just come

1478
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: up with that on the fly?

1479
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 5: I did, Friend's the names guy, Fred's got the names down.

1480
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: Except for sexual assault with me. That one never started.

1481
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to get in trouble.

1482
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 6: It's not Clem's corner.

1483
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: Clem's corner sounds more like a convenience store.

1484
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: Right stop. Found a good start.

1485
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 5: I just hope he does that against everybody and not

1486
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 5: just Mac.

1487
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: It's a good stuff for I mean Douger, like like

1488
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 2: I know everybody. You know. The hypdream for Dougger is strong.

1489
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: But say why it wasn't a good start.

1490
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 2: It's got to be better. And I just said that

1491
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: Douger picked off the first.

1492
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 5: I didn't throw it up to seem trying to throw

1493
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,959
Speaker 5: it up to see him think it's sticky. And and

1494
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 5: Kyle Duggar is wearing him like.

1495
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: A yeah, top five defense there you go.

1496
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the bright side.

1497
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: Yep. Max in the shotgun, oh boy, threw.

1498
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 6: Into a defensive team meeting on that right.

1499
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales and.

1500
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: In coverage, not that we're keeping stats, but oh for

1501
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: two for the offense.

1502
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 5: We are keeping.

1503
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 6: Who was that one intended to?

1504
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 5: I don't even know.

1505
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: All I saw was fifty and forty eight.

1506
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: I feel like into a lot of bloom.

1507
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 2: I think it was, but that's what I was trying to.

1508
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 5: Looked like he came are we forcing to the new

1509
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 5: guy already? Kendrick Bourne was was wide over.

1510
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 4: So Parker Smith Schuster here in this set with with

1511
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 4: two tights.

1512
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 5: This is your base package. This is first and ten time.

1513
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 4: Montgomery a little Montgomery off a nice much nice pick

1514
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 4: by Hunter Henry touched down. That's the way it's drawn up.

1515
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 4: That's the Patriots bread and butter right there. Yeah, see

1516
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 4: if it's a little James White route right there.

1517
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the crowd seems into it.

1518
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 4: You know, Bill talking to Mac a little bit, Well,

1519
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 4: that absolutely has been something today to uh maybe you

1520
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 4: know silence, the you know the one, the one guy

1521
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,440
Speaker 4: who keeps saying that that's an issue.

1522
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 5: That was the to be fair to Greg, that was

1523
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 5: the most interaction that I've seen Bill and Mack have

1524
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 5: this entire all up to this point.

1525
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 4: I would agree I just don't think that much of

1526
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 4: it when you have a you know, we've spent the

1527
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 4: entirety of the offseason talking about how exciting it is

1528
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 4: to have a real NFL offensive coordinator that you don't

1529
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 4: have to worry about. And the Bill maybe spends some

1530
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 4: time elsewhere and is he avoiding Mac?

1531
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 2: Is there a thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1532
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 4: I don't think they're going out for dinner anytime soon.

1533
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 4: But I'm not necessarily worried about it.

1534
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 5: Was still going out to dinner with Brady, don't I

1535
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 5: don't think so, certainly not at the end.

1536
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: So last in the spring, when Mac wasn't in the

1537
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: in the play he was off by himself kind of

1538
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: mentally going through reps. Today he's standing right next to O'Brien,

1539
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, so it's a little bit different look for

1540
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: Mac here when he's not in the play time.

1541
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 5: Montgomery just makes plays in practice, does make plays two toddies.

1542
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: That's what he does. Look at the tuddies. Nice play,

1543
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: who is that in coverage? Who was didn't have terrible

1544
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 2: coverage on the player?

1545
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 6: Was good good throw, good throw, good catch. He was

1546
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 6: beat but not by not by.

1547
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: A ton And he got Zappi with with some rookies

1548
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: and train nicks and still got my company out there though.

1549
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 4: It's now Jack Jones, you know, is out there part

1550
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 4: of this group here with a bunch of other you

1551
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 4: know guys that maybe not in the.

1552
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: In the back end.

1553
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 6: Good shout out there, you know Rodney Randall.

1554
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: He's with Yep, we need to keep our eye.

1555
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:13,799
Speaker 4: Although Phillips was part of that, who was Brad Hawkins

1556
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 4: I think maybe twenty nine yep. Yeah, So that's a

1557
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 4: group of you know guys that you wouldn't think necessarily

1558
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 4: a part of the mix that Jack Jones was whipped

1559
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: on that rep.

1560
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: And now you got the trace McSorley.

1561
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 4: They're going they're going three plays each, Yeah, and who

1562
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 4: caught that touchdown?

1563
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: Fir sure.

1564
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 5: But when when Bill was talking to Mac, what he's

1565
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 5: he's talking about is the ballplace on the scene. If

1566
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,480
Speaker 5: if Mac had thrown it up and you know, basically

1567
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 5: to that that spot above Kasicki, then Duggar wouldn't have

1568
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 5: had to play on it. But because he threw tried

1569
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 5: to throw it a little bit underneath him, that that

1570
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 5: will allowed Dougger to make a play on it.

1571
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: It sorely throws one in the ground.

1572
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Mac is standing right next to Billy. Oh.

1573
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: I mean not not necessarily man on an island. But again,

1574
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: it's been reps dapts up Mike Kasiki and I think.

1575
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: Bro to throw it up here.

1576
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, that's my bad, Bro.

1577
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: I had you broad lifts perfectly.

1578
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 5: And sixty that's Lumpkin. I got a little eye on Lumpkin.

1579
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 5: He can block. I mean he looks like a tackle.

1580
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: I know, That's what I thought when I saw sixty

1581
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: five and they're pulling out the tackle eligible.

1582
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 5: They don't. They don't have a blocking tight end like

1583
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 5: the Hunter Henry and Mikasiki. That's not their thing. And

1584
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 5: if they're going to carry a third tight end, which

1585
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 5: I think they probably will.

1586
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Firksure really isn't that kind of.

1587
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 5: His farmy knife type. Yeah, I really think if there's

1588
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 5: one guy that can have a game day roll on

1589
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 5: first and ten from the one yard line.

1590
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 4: The coverage on the ninth place, the coverage was pretty tight.

1591
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 4: Now that was you know, that's probably the most difficult

1592
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 4: area for an offense to get the ball into the

1593
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 4: end zone.

1594
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 2: Via the passing game.

1595
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 4: You know, you're absolutely that's why you start real tight,

1596
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 4: real tight, like five yard line and in there, and

1597
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of room.

1598
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: But the defense certainly I could coverage on those plays.

1599
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 5: That's just why I that type of stuff. I just

1600
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 5: you're running. There's no bells and whistles to any of

1601
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 5: the red zone plays that maybe the little pick flat

1602
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 5: play was maybe the one that they kind of drew

1603
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 5: up something, so to speak. But you're you're just throwing

1604
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 5: your basic concepts at that point, and there's there's really

1605
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 5: no space.

1606
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, and there's also no thread of

1607
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: the run, right, you know.

1608
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: I saw Bill spend some time with Steve Belichick and

1609
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: drawed Mayo immediately after that session. Just a good job

1610
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of debrief what um Yeah.

1611
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: Right, Steve's already spinning the dial.

1612
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 4: So we go in the spring back to a little

1613
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 4: bit more of the special teams work. Third of the game, Paula,

1614
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 4: try telling that to Kansas.

1615
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: Got to do the I gotta figure out what the

1616
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: actual math of that is. What is the actual math

1617
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: of the special teams. It's actually an eighth.

1618
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 4: Of the game. If that if you, if you, if

1619
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 4: you consider the fact that most of the special teams

1620
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,440
Speaker 4: plays are not competitive because they end up being touchbacks.

1621
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: It's even less right you have an iron.

1622
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: You are you are so right, friend, Yes, so right,

1623
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 2: that's right. You got to establish the run.

1624
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 6: They do that, right, we got we gotta run the

1625
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 6: ball and stop the run.

1626
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 4: Be sound on special teams, Kansas City says, oh man, we're.

1627
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 2: Doing it all wrong.

1628
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: If you ply enough pressure, even a rock can become

1629
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: a diamond.

1630
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 4: Cool Cameron, all right, Yeah, same kind of deal as

1631
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 4: the first special teams that they're doing some actual punters

1632
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 4: on the left field with vice guys and gunners, and

1633
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 4: on the right side kind of more of a simulation

1634
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 4: with the interior of the protection units, and again same

1635
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 4: guys returning the punts. Marcus Jones deuces boy Douglas to

1636
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 4: Mario Douglas.

1637
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: That's right.

1638
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 2: Is he becoming my boy? I think I think I'll

1639
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: I would take although I think Kevin already called.

1640
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 5: Him, so I've kind of pivoted.

1641
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm pivoting away from him just on pure appearances.

1642
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna keep he little. All the tweets are

1643
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 5: out about Mac's first passive training camp.

1644
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 6: Intercepted Did they really tweet that out?

1645
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 5: What do you mean? Did they really? Of course, I

1646
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 5: thought we aren't allowed to do that. No, you can

1647
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 5: because the fans are here. If it's an open to

1648
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 5: the public practice, you can tweet ther in practice.

1649
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: That's a new thing.

1650
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: I think it is always It's always been that way.

1651
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 4: Okay, practice, so you know, you you have different rules

1652
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 4: than that. I wouldn't do that if I were you.

1653
01:15:54,160 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: You'll hear about it. Yeah, well that'll that'll certainly be

1654
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: out after practice too. I'm sure, Mac, what did you

1655
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 2: see on that play?

1656
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 4: Something tells me that'll be part of like the the

1657
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 4: updates on a hourly basis.

1658
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 2: Well, it's I mean, it's it's like everything here, it's uh,

1659
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: you know, I think everybody wants Kyle Dugger to be

1660
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 2: the guy who gets the extension and you know, is

1661
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: the next long term leader of the Patriots secondary, I guess, And.

1662
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's let's frame it Duggar boys for

1663
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: big year and first play.

1664
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 2: But I think he's he's got to, he's got to.

1665
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: I think the coverage is where he needs to make

1666
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 2: the strides this year. And I mean I certainly had

1667
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 2: picks last year, and you know it was around the ball,

1668
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 2: but I think there were you know, a couple many

1669
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 2: too many times that you know, just he didn't have

1670
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: the coverage that he needed. So I think that's where

1671
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: his game needs to take another step this year.

1672
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 5: I wonder if that's the usage. Like, I just don't

1673
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 5: love him covering tight ends and man coverage. And I

1674
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 5: know you have to use him like that sometimes, I suppose,

1675
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 5: but I would much rather watch him play zone and

1676
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 5: just play robber rolls or to people sea ball get ball,

1677
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 5: like doesn't make simplify it for him, like just let

1678
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 5: them ballhawk, let him chase guys down. Like I just

1679
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 5: think sometimes when you you put him in that man

1680
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 5: coverage role, it limits his playmaking a little bit. But

1681
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 5: when you add that freedom, he all of a sudden

1682
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 5: has Oh he's you know, interceptions.

1683
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 4: Like four raiders right, instincts. Instincts and athleticism. These are

1684
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 4: two things that jump out to me when I when

1685
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 4: I watch him play.

1686
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 6: So to Evan's point, let him showcase that.

1687
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, looks like the end of the Special

1688
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: Team's portion.

1689
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 2: And this is only what an hour and a half

1690
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 2: session to day, but yeah.

1691
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 6: This isn't gonna go This probably isn't going to go

1692
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 6: much longer.

1693
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, that's my fast.

1694
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 4: Me.

1695
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: Back up, where did they come back inside the twenties?

1696
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 2: What do you call that pall? That's the red zone

1697
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 2: or red zone right right going on? It looks like

1698
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 2: the eight yard line.

1699
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: I call it the money zone. Money zone.

1700
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 2: And we got some we got some old linemen here.

1701
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: So again Bill Murray, you know, filling in form when

1702
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 2: you just interesting drafted what three rookies that could all,

1703
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: I guess theoretically play right guard.

1704
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 5: But I just got to hope that this is a

1705
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 5: placeholder because they want the rookies to earn the reps

1706
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 5: and they don't want to just hand one of those

1707
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 5: guys the job or the camp reps, I guess I

1708
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 5: should say.

1709
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: So, this looks like it's eleven on a little bit

1710
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 2: eleven eleven team, and it looks like Juju's out there

1711
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 2: for at least the first rep, which is good.

1712
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 4: We haven't realy seen him have, you know, a whole

1713
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 4: lot to do because of the spring Juju.

1714
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 5: Tall Reek born Hunter Henry.

1715
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: So we got.

1716
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: Eleven and you got Trent Brown. Trent Brown at left tackle.

1717
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Trent Strange Andrews, Bill Murray, Robine Reef has been.

1718
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 6: The yeah and Reef has moved on.

1719
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: Jude On. I think might be in the conditioning fields

1720
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 2: or maybe rehabbing with something, but wonderful jude On. So

1721
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: you got in his spot and inside you got Peppers

1722
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 2: and Bentley the linebacker spots.

1723
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 5: To Dugger playing that deep safety in this one.

1724
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's Mac Wilson. I get he's three almost picked.

1725
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,560
Speaker 2: That was Miles Bryan.

1726
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 5: Taekwon Taekwon.

1727
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: Love this defense excited.

1728
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, you know, I'm I'm not going to.

1729
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,799
Speaker 5: Overreact, but yeah, defense all you know, the defense usually

1730
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 5: starts at a little bit of a higher point.

1731
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: It's easier to destroy than create. Evan, that's my.

1732
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: Uh oh, I didn't.

1733
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 5: Like that, So this is going to be the issue.

1734
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 5: So that was that was supposed to be an r P.

1735
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 5: But mccatt ain't whole in the flat defender right, Like,

1736
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 5: nobody is worried about him running around the corner. So

1737
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 5: josh U J just he faked it and josh j

1738
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 5: was just hearing anywhere like right.

1739
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: So Mac had to kind of pull it down, reverse course,

1740
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: go the other way and basically threw it away.

1741
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're getting Gonzales, Miles Bryant in the slot

1742
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: and Jay Jones, Yeah, and then the back end is

1743
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: Pepper's and Doug.

1744
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: There you go, Juju over the middle.

1745
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 5: Juju.

1746
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: That wasn't his first read though, No, it.

1747
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: Seemed almost like Mac picked him up late and just

1748
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: kind of checked, kind of checked it.

1749
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only way they're really getting getting many completions.

1750
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 4: But it is like it's now you're at the four

1751
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 4: yard line. This like if you can't run and on

1752
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 4: these plays, that's really hard to get.

1753
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: Something or at least the threat of run.

1754
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.

1755
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 4: I don't mean you don't have the ability, right, you're

1756
01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 4: not good enough to run it in. I mean you

1757
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 4: feel he can't run the ball?

1758
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go some nice one, you go.

1759
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: Pops out.

1760
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 5: Henry.

1761
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: But that looked like that looked like it was supposed

1762
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:16,879
Speaker 2: to look.

1763
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: Yep, a cause the little coverage confusions.

1764
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 5: They've been using, these little splits put the like a

1765
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 5: stack alignment and then that one. KASICKI was more like

1766
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 5: the inside guy and Henry was, but they broke the

1767
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 5: opposite ways and that that confused the coverage.

1768
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: Time on company out there now, So Bailey zappy time.

1769
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: So so you're continuing what three or four reps, three reps. Yea,

1770
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 2: I got the Feva. Well, I mean, I mean, we

1771
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 2: know we're watching right now. But if ZAPPI were to

1772
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 2: throw a bunch of now, that's a good throw right there.

1773
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 1: And a good play.

1774
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 5: Did he get it or think for dropped it?

1775
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: Yes, he hit him right and bold hands got his

1776
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: hands in there.

1777
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 6: Evan, please because they always yell at me.

1778
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 5: I think it's a.

1779
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 2: Drop, but that was a good throw.

1780
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 5: We're not going to see the replay, so I can't

1781
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 5: tell you, but it looks like a drop.

1782
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: Zappy suck ups. Oh, I know it was a good throw.

1783
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: That was perfect even if it was defended.

1784
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was nowhere else to throw it. That's exactly where.

1785
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 6: But I think he put both both hands on it.

1786
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, the same thing.

1787
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 4: It's just yeah, he looked quick to you a boy, Mike,

1788
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 4: continue with that dog Douglas.

1789
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 1: So do you think that was the same play?

1790
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 5: And it was a different play, But it's the same

1791
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 5: problem is that thirty three he can just crash down

1792
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 5: because he's not afraid of Zappy turning the corner on him,

1793
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 5: and it just if you leave that guy unblocked, then

1794
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 5: the quarterback has to occupy that guy.

1795
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 1: So let's take that page out of the playbook.

1796
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 2: He really likes those side throws too. He was trying

1797
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: to mahomes it there look like it?

1798
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, care, I mean there's a time and a place

1799
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: for that.

1800
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 4: If the guys who high Jalen heard no idea, Oh yeah, like,

1801
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 4: how's the out there already?

1802
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 5: Love it?

1803
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 6: He can't run, he.

1804
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 5: Looks Yeah, he's a talented talented place.

1805
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 6: There's another defensive meeting thrown into.

1806
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you.

1807
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 4: You claim that I'm sucking up to Zappi. Yeah right,

1808
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 4: Zabi just threw the ball in the middle of three

1809
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 4: blue shirts.

1810
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 5: Jalen Herd's issue is not talent. That guy just can't

1811
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 5: stay healthy. He has had significant injury after significant injury.

1812
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 5: But he's fast, he's big.

1813
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: He looks good on the hoof. Yeah, he can run.

1814
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 6: Can you get me this second offensive.

1815
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 2: Line here, ro juice, I would be happy to you.

1816
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 4: From left to right if I'm not asking too much.

1817
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 2: It's a so sixty four left tackle and fifty five

1818
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: and left guard.

1819
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: There's a little timing, fate, timing rainbow.

1820
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 4: Say that one they looked like they knocked away. I

1821
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 4: think it's Marcus Jones right, so.

1822
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 2: I think it was heinz and McDermott at right guard,

1823
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: right tackle and it was stupor.

1824
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, so, I mean it wasn't a bad pass

1825
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: by Zappy. It was right where it was supposed to be.

1826
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: But who was the center defense was right there?

1827
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 2: I couldn't quite see that one. It's ference right now.

1828
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: It's sorely in there now.

1829
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 2: It was probably might have been okay, maybe could have

1830
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:38,560
Speaker 2: been Matthews.

1831
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, it sorely completes the pass about two years

1832
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: two yards out of.

1833
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 2: The end zone.

1834
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 4: That one needs to be I think on the other shoulder. Yeah,

1835
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:49,799
Speaker 4: and I think that's one of the ones that Bill.

1836
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: Will talk about.

1837
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, ball placement, see Fred, These uh, these guys won't

1838
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 4: remember back in the day when when Bill used to

1839
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 4: do the film sessions with us with the media and

1840
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 4: you showed the difference between Joe Montana and Steve Young,

1841
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 4: that throw right there by Joe Montana would have been

1842
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 4: perfectly on the outside shoulder.

1843
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,879
Speaker 6: Roger Craig would have caught it turned.

1844
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 2: Into the end zone.

1845
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 4: With Steve Young, it's in the middle or to the

1846
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 4: inside shoulder, causing a slight hesitation and allowing a linebacker

1847
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 4: to make a tackle. There's a run play in the

1848
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 4: red zone.

1849
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 5: Did he actually do that?

1850
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

1851
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: Did Bill say that?

1852
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: Now?

1853
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 5: Did the film?

1854
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1855
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 5: The film thing?

1856
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they showed the two plays. This is the difference.

1857
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 4: This is why we always thought differently of Steve Young

1858
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 4: than Joe Montana.

1859
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't just because he was a left to.

1860
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 4: Which I was triumphant, because I always thought Steve Young

1861
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 4: was one of the most overrated guys of his era.

1862
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 5: That's actually funny because tuas like throwing motion always looks a.

1863
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: Little bit like yeah, but if somebody like reversed saw that,

1864
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 2: it looks totally normal, right.

1865
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 5: Totally normal when he throws it right.

1866
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is true. Left he is a weird Paul,

1867
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: I know, I know, guy. We were meant to be pictures,

1868
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: not quarterbacks.

1869
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 4: Oh, time out, time out? Bledsoe didn't like the workers disgusted.

1870
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 5: They're already doing these little running back motions though, right,

1871
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 5: like start them out wide, motion them back into the backfield.

1872
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:14,759
Speaker 6: Sean Wade, Yes.

1873
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 5: And he was covering Rally Webb.

1874
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 4: And in his defense Rolly we caught a lot of

1875
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 4: passes in the springs active.

1876
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: In the active defense owning the day so far.

1877
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because it feels like the kicking

1878
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of goes on on the side of all these

1879
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 2: practices and you don't really usually clock all of it.

1880
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 2: It feels like a lot of that competition it's just

1881
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 2: going to kind of be happening in the background during

1882
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 2: training camp. I mean, everybody knows the end of practice,

1883
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: they'll they'll line it up and we'll see, you know,

1884
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: how many they hit. But a lot going on on

1885
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: the side with the kickers.

1886
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 5: Keon White, is it. I can't tell the difference between

1887
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 5: Keon White and Ronnie Perkins and that bother that booty.

1888
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, Perkins I think has a little bit of

1889
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 4: the white jersey hanging out the bottom.

1890
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 5: That was a pretty. That's the first time I think

1891
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 5: in a long time I've noticed Ronnie Perkins off the

1892
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:09,799
Speaker 5: ball rushing the quarterback.

1893
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: He and always have that like that lighter jersey hanging out.

1894
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 5: That was a pretty. That was a pretty good pass

1895
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 5: rush there.

1896
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 4: Yet, Yeah, he's getting some uh, some kudos from one

1897
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 4: of the way out of.

1898
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 2: My range ones back end. That's like what kind of

1899
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: so two tight ends.

1900
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 5: Christian Gonzales just outside corner day.

1901
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 2: One fixture with Jonathan Jones outside.

1902
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 4: You know, again for the this is now the third

1903
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 4: time that they've been out there, and this is the

1904
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 4: two corners that have started every every one today.

1905
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 5: You know, is that Stevenson andre on Chris Ford, Chris

1906
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 5: Bard gets the gives up the touchdown.

1907
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 6: I should say that gets the touchdown.

1908
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 5: That was good though that pocket was a little bit

1909
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 5: muddy and he just kind of stepped up and hit

1910
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 5: the angle route.

1911
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what stood up to me about Mac when

1912
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 2: we first saw him in those early days of twenty

1913
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: twenty one. It just he always looked comfortable in those

1914
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: early practices, kept his eyes downfield, and you know, I

1915
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 2: wasn't really concerned with the rush as a rookie, which

1916
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 2: you know was his contrast for me having watched.

1917
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: Stidham, Yeah, it looked like he was. That's the one

1918
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,759
Speaker 1: thing you see with these young quarterbacks. They just they're

1919
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: not decisive. They pull it down.

1920
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: That's a dead play.

1921
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 5: So that was an awesome play by Christian Gonzalez. So

1922
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 5: they ran like a banjo. So the two inside receivers,

1923
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 5: one ran to the left, one ran to the right,

1924
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 5: and instead of trying to travel or follow them, Miles

1925
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 5: Brian and Christian Gonzalez just switched and when that was seamless,

1926
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 5: like Christian Gonzalez had it perfectly, Like I expect Miles

1927
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 5: Brian to know what to do, but like Christian Gonzalez

1928
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 5: doing that right away is a really good signing. Miles

1929
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 5: Brian dapped him up after that, like as day one rookie. Like,

1930
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 5: that's a hard art assignment to get down.

1931
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 4: I'm glad you watched the coverage because I watched the

1932
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 4: blitz from the top with peppers and he got there

1933
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 4: effortlessly and toasted on that one would have been a

1934
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 4: strip sack. But that's where the coverage needs to be

1935
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 4: there because there's a chance. Now that happened really fast,

1936
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 4: so I don't know if he could, but there's a

1937
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 4: chance that Okay, we know this guy's coming, he's going

1938
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 4: to be unblocked. I got to get it out immediately.

1939
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 4: And if they're not doing what Evan just said, you

1940
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 4: know you're able to get the pass off anyway. Despite

1941
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 4: the blitz working.

1942
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 1: That just hit Hunter Henry in the back.

1943
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 5: He just got burned in the next place.

1944
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 2: Well, it's got shook at the top of the rout

1945
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: and rookie rookies. Nice little hesitation move by by Hunter

1946
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 2: Henry to get loose for Mac here.

1947
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: That had no chance.

1948
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 4: But that one was a good throw, Like throw it

1949
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 4: high to the outside, it's going to be incomplete or

1950
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 4: or his guy's going to make.

1951
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: A great catch.

1952
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 4: All right, not bad, you know, I as opposed to

1953
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 4: the last time when we were talking about the one

1954
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 4: that Dougger undercut. Now this is a different route. This

1955
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 4: is a fade to the outside. But didn't throw it

1956
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 4: low where it could get in trouble.

1957
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: Paul, it looks like fifty three Jake Andrews will be

1958
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: your second center, So you think he was probably out

1959
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: there before.

1960
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 5: I okay, a little bit better that. Yeah, that go

1961
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 5: around I thought from Mac.

1962
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. We'll wait till the end

1963
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 2: to make anything definitive about Oh nice cat.

1964
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't the greatest pass.

1965
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 2: Now they had a lot I'll tell you, it's just

1966
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 2: a lot of blue jerseys around.

1967
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Yea.

1968
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 5: The ball that Matt Circle would have gotten blown up

1969
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 5: if you could have hit him. They all went for

1970
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 5: the ball because you can't hit anybody.

1971
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 2: So so second group we got, yeah, Jack Jones and

1972
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, Christian Barmore, Daniel Quale, Anthony Jennings. It looks

1973
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 2: like Ke and White still getting some But see now

1974
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 2: this is kind of where I thought more where we

1975
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: see White, and I do believe that is Key on

1976
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,799
Speaker 2: White but kind of playing more of the Detrich Why's

1977
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 2: hand down right? Defensive time?

1978
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 5: Montgomery three tds?

1979
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Who can it?

1980
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: Someone tell me who the guy is on the sideline

1981
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:19,560
Speaker 1: with the blue polo shirt, white hair. He's on the

1982
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: defensive sideline. He's got like a pad of paper in

1983
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 1: front of him.

1984
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 2: To the looks like he's record for the Daily Bugle.

1985
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, who is this guy?

1986
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1987
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: I saw him earlier taking pictures with his camera phone

1988
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 1: from the gates of the Yates of Hell.

1989
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

1990
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if he's someone they brought in, uh to

1991
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: kind of help with the defense. I don't know.

1992
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 5: He's on the defensive side.

1993
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's He's on the about the twelve thirteen yard

1994
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 6: line on our side.

1995
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I got yeah, I got you.

1996
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 4: He's got a shorts and a polo blue polo, and

1997
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 4: he has a pad of paper in his hand.

1998
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see a notebook.

1999
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 2: Of some sort.

2000
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,879
Speaker 1: He could be one of the from the referee.

2001
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it could be for NFL p A.

2002
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:19,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be an observer or something. Yeah against Yeah, oh.

2003
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 2: Nothing there for Zappy trying to connect with Mario.

2004
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting to see if some of these

2005
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 5: moving pocket things that they have been doing, those edge

2006
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 5: defenders are just all over the quarterbacks. You know, it's

2007
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 5: day one, but so those are things I don't know.

2008
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 4: For a couple of weeks ago, they on NFL Network

2009
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 4: they were playing some highlights of Max Crosby and do

2010
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 4: you remember the play? It gets forgotten because of all

2011
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 4: the nonsense that happened with the lateral and everything, but

2012
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 4: Patriots were up by a touchdown and had the ball.

2013
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 5: You're talking about the third down play where they try

2014
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 5: to run a naked boot.

2015
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 6: Yes, and it worked. Yeah, and it worked.

2016
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 4: It fooled everybody, and Max Crosby so easily ran down

2017
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,560
Speaker 4: Mac Jones ten yards short of the first down and

2018
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 4: it didn't matter.

2019
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 6: That's the kind of stuff that I'm thinking about. Like

2020
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 6: to Fred's point, I know, Fred, you will.

2021
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 4: Being a little tongue in cheek when you're like, maybe

2022
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 4: we want to put that one away. Maybe they want

2023
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 4: to put that one away. I don't really think there

2024
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 4: were a lot of edge guys that are going to

2025
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 4: be bothered by that, even when they get tricked.

2026
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just remember Scar talking about it with Brady

2027
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 5: and he said that, you know, they were taught. It

2028
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 5: was last year when all the wide zone stuff was

2029
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 5: going on. In that conversation and he was like, look,

2030
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 5: we didn't really feature that as much in our offense

2031
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 5: because Brady wasn't very good on the bootlegs and if

2032
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 5: you can't run boot off of it. I remember Dante

2033
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 5: said that it's really you know, that's really what you're

2034
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 5: trying to get to is the play action with the bootlegs,

2035
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 5: you know, the Shanahan stuff, And if you don't have

2036
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 5: a quarterback that throws well on the move or as

2037
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 5: an athlete on the move, then it's really not as

2038
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 5: effective as it is if you have somebody that can

2039
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 5: run around a little bit. So they just didn't do

2040
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 5: it because Brady wasn't comfortable throwing off the bootlegs. So

2041
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 5: I agree. I think it's something that we've seen a

2042
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 5: little bit of today that that maybe we see a

2043
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 5: little bit that was This was always the reason.

2044
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 2: Why I didn't really buy Kyle Shanahan want Mac Jones

2045
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 2: of three overall, like that's that's not a scam. Yeah,

2046
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 2: Johnny Lumpkin can't hold on. I do believe that last

2047
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 2: play though, was makes it for TDS for time on

2048
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Comy today.

2049
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 5: So Montgomery's on fire.

2050
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 2: I always like when you set something up at the

2051
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 2: top of the show and then lo and behold book

2052
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 2: what happened?

2053
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Will anyone dare right today? Offense struggling under Bill O'Brien.

2054
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 2: Oh, somebody will, somebody will.

2055
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2056
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 4: I mean I think they could finish the season with

2057
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 4: less points than he did last year, or no one.

2058
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 2: Will write that. Yeah, I mean, I I just remember

2059
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 2: last year it was all you know, contested catches in

2060
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 2: these drules and it hasn't been great missing out on

2061
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 2: Hopkins dooms offense. But I think they made a couple

2062
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: of plays and you know this, Max had a couple

2063
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 2: of throws. But you know, first day of camp, I

2064
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 2: don't think it's it's as concerning as last year.

2065
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 5: It was kind of Yeah, I mean the couple throws

2066
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 5: at me to Hunter Henry and the little ankle route

2067
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 5: Urmandre like that stuff. You're gonna have in your in

2068
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 5: your in your bag, and I thought like, just just as.

2069
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 4: A refresher, I sort of went over the stuff that

2070
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 4: we were writing last year early and the very first

2071
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 4: day was okay, yeah, it was beyond that that. It's

2072
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 4: like they never had a good day again. And it

2073
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 4: wasn't even red zones. It was stuff in the middle

2074
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 4: of the field.

2075
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it was that stuff that just did

2076
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 5: like no.

2077
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm talking about when we said this doesn't

2078
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: look right. Oh, it was it was everything with every

2079
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 1: stuff in the middle of the field.

2080
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, field goals. Might this be the end? Yeah?

2081
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 2: This is probably about this from the well.

2082
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 1: We should be noting who's kicking.

2083
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 2: It's the eighteen yard line, Nick Middle. For Nick Folk,

2084
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 2: everybody on a twenty eight yarder from the middle, snap down,

2085
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:13,799
Speaker 2: kick up, ain't true? Good, back them up, increase the voltage.

2086
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 2: Here we go. It looks like this one's gonna be

2087
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 2: about the twenty nines, about thirty nine yards. Also, Nick Folk,

2088
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 2: this is meanwhile, you've got a shadow with the rookie

2089
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Ryland kind of running, not kicking it, but snapping it

2090
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 2: and ate from the right hash it looks good to me,

2091
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 2: looked good interesting. Is it interesting though? That? No, that's

2092
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: fifty nine right. So Dietrich wise very enthusiastically signaling good

2093
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 2: at that kick. That's what he likes to do. So

2094
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 2: Baringer is holding twenty words. Baringer is holding for Folk

2095
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 2: while Weightman is.

2096
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 4: You know, they're kind of doing thirty eight from the

2097
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 4: left hash and you said Barunger has been the holding.

2098
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Does that give him a leg up on the punting? Uh?

2099
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's uh, you know those little observations

2100
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 2: weightments holding on the other side for Ryland is there,

2101
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 2: I guess just kind of listening to drive running at

2102
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 2: the call as well.

2103
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna meander our way out now.

2104
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:27,560
Speaker 4: Thirty five, six, seven, eight, forty eight yards going in

2105
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 4: ten yard increments today, snap his down right, hash.

2106
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 2: Snap down, wall down, kick us up.

2107
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 1: In plenty of leg.

2108
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:39,719
Speaker 2: You know you're oh there you go, Thank you, Ditrich,

2109
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: Hey you do it again. Yep, appreciate you.

2110
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 6: That's an extra large in that Arkansas man quarter.

2111
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 2: Zip. He's just that you promising me for four years.

2112
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: Moved to the other hash.

2113
01:37:55,680 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, still from the forty eight from the left

2114
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 2: hash and this one.

2115
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 1: Look good.

2116
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 2: Did not see anybody signal on that one, Dietrick Wis

2117
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 2: has got the two up. I don't know, okay. I

2118
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 2: wonder though, because it looks a little bit more celebratory

2119
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 2: than necessarily, like, you know, you need tight signals as

2120
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 2: a referee toy thing. I'm a referee, you know.

2121
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: Back to the other hash now still at thirty uh,

2122
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: still at the thirty eight so forty eight yards huh.

2123
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 2: That's funny sticking it for forty eight. Oh, it's a

2124
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: fun That's why it was funny. That's why it was funny.

2125
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:39,480
Speaker 6: We got problems.

2126
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,799
Speaker 2: The holder, this Bryce Barrener. Yeah, and he has wheels.

2127
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 6: I've seen that.

2128
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 5: Did he run out the combine? I feel like he did.

2129
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 6: That's Matthew Showalter.

2130
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 4: For those of you that like those Thanksgiving announcing clips

2131
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 4: on ninety eight five, the sports go.

2132
01:38:58,280 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 1: Man, you go, man, you go.

2133
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get our boy Rylan a chance or.

2134
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 6: Maybe another day, maybe another day.

2135
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 2: It's like a caged animal. He's getting ready to get

2136
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 2: out there.

2137
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 4: How do you guys feel about that? You think there's

2138
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 4: any chance that Folk is the kicker and Ryland.

2139
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: Is the kick off guy?

2140
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 5: I hope not. You know, I've roster spot on two kickers.

2141
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 6: I hope not too.

2142
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 5: I do wonder if look, they love to play those

2143
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 5: games with the fifty three, And I do wonder if

2144
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,719
Speaker 5: both guys make it initially just to try to sneak

2145
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:33,719
Speaker 5: toract this squad.

2146
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 2: Can you put folk on the practice squad?

2147
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 5: That's probably they could get because you know, with waivers,

2148
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 5: it's like they're going.

2149
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: To do some conditioning.

2150
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 2: Run here, yeah, this is it, This is it?

2151
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 5: All right?

2152
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,000
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2160
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2161
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2162
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2163
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