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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, to watch episode one five the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am your host s, Brett Roland, coming to you

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Speaker 1: on a Sunday evening here at the end of October,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined once again by my co host. He's

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Speaker 1: back everybody after a week off. Scott Holman is here. Hello, sir,

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Speaker 1: Are you hey?

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Speaker 2: Brad? It's good to be on with you. It's been

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Speaker 2: a little while, like maybe ten days, which I mean

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Speaker 2: for our last, you know, five or six years doing

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Speaker 2: this podcast together. Ten days is a long time for

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Speaker 2: you and I to be a part and you did

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Speaker 2: a commendable job. I believe three maybe four shows while

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Speaker 2: I was away. I was actually not far from Brad

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Speaker 2: Roland Country down in Florida for a family trip, and

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you and Steven and our old podcast co

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Speaker 2: host Eric Cole doing a show. Lots of good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Even honestly, the best three shows of the podcast network

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Speaker 2: were probably done while I was away, and that is

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Speaker 2: no coincidence by any means.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. But it was nice to have Eric

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Speaker 1: on a show. He was heartbroken to have mischief, but

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Speaker 1: we'll do it again soon. And Steven and I had

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Speaker 1: not done a show together in six months, and we

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Speaker 1: did two in a row together, so it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. Here we are to talk about the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Braves once again. We are part by the way I

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Speaker 1: thought Territory. If you're just now joining the podcast, welcome aboard,

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Speaker 1: but we are part of that network. Please subscribe to

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory anywhere you find your podcasts, ratings and reviews

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Speaker 1: appreciated as well. We're on social media everywhere at Hammer Territory,

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Speaker 1: like the show on YouTube, this episode on YouTube, Apple, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. We do appreciate everybody joining the podcast today.

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Speaker 1: And as Scott just said, we did three shows last week.

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Speaker 1: It's been busy. We're not slowing down anytime soon. The

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Speaker 1: world series is now happening. Once that is over, things

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Speaker 1: pick up for the Braze and that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: topic of today's episode in some ways. And honestly, I'll

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Speaker 1: raise my hand, this is not an original idea that

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Speaker 1: we had. This has actually had something that's happened across

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Speaker 1: the network. I know our Yankee show Pits Right Territory

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Speaker 1: did this with our guy Derek. But basically we're going

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Speaker 1: to chronicle on today's episode the players who could be

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Speaker 1: maybe probably will be gone in twenty twenty five. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're going to declare anybody one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: gone necessarily on this episode, but the guys who project

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Speaker 1: to be gone probably more often than not, perhaps and

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Speaker 1: guys that are crucially not under contract. A lot of

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Speaker 1: free agents on this list, as you might imagine, But

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Speaker 1: that is the conceite of today's podcast, Scott and I

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Speaker 1: know we talked about a little bit of stuff before.

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Speaker 1: This is not brand new ground for us, but kind

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Speaker 1: of in one place if people are searching for stuff like, hey,

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Speaker 1: here's some decisions. Basically the Braks have to make and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this episode will serve as somewhat of just kind

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Speaker 2: going to break any new that Max Freed officially will

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Speaker 2: we did want to talk about Max and Charlie Morton,

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Speaker 2: especially those two in the rotation, a big question with

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Speaker 2: all played varying roles for this team in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: So there was quite a bit in terms of pending

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to think that if I had to guess,

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Speaker 2: Now we're gonna have to see just how much he

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Speaker 2: It's very much a mixed bag. Historically, this is not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not going to new ten minutes on Max

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Speaker 1: Because if you give him a six year deal, seven

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Speaker 1: would not criticize it. I'd be probably pretty happy about it.

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Speaker 1: But I also understand what you're getting into. And it's

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Speaker 1: allocate it well, and there are arguments on all sides.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that he could be back, but

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Speaker 1: probably commanding, that's the way to do it. I think

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Speaker 1: that the it would stun me kindidly if the Braves

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Speaker 1: and they're like, we're just gonna go ahead and pay

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Speaker 1: you six for two hundred, Well, you know whatever number is.

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Speaker 1: That sounds too much, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: returning something like that, I think is probably what it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the one thing that that sticks out

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Speaker 1: Also quite emotional at the end of the season, as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, let's call it how it is. Basically,

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Speaker 2: every single one of Max's teammates worth of dam over

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Speaker 2: the last five or six seasons have all signed extensions

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Speaker 2: Braves and Nthopolis engaged with Max Fried's camp about a

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Speaker 2: potential extension. Obviously, nothing came to fruition, which tells me

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Speaker 2: clearly in agreement was not reached. You know, whenever you

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Speaker 2: negotiate with twenty nine other teams. I think that is

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Speaker 2: obviously going to work in the player's advantage. But we

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Speaker 2: just don't know. I mean, Max and his agent might

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Speaker 2: the Aaron Nola seven years, one hundred and seventy seven

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Speaker 1: So from here we can go to the less big names.

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Speaker 1: It will be obviously a little bit quicker on some

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the season that even like walking

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Speaker 2: up a flight of stairs was painful for AJ. And

434
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Speaker 2: hip injuries are not common for pitchers. I mean they're

435
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Speaker 2: really not common for baseball players in general. You don't

436
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Speaker 2: see a lot of players hit the il with hip

437
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Speaker 2: injuries and then eventually a hip surgery. Credit to AJ

438
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Speaker 2: for trying to pitch through it. There are many reasons

439
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 2: why it was in his best interest to try to

440
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Speaker 2: be healthy and to put together a good season. Of course,

441
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Speaker 2: now he hits free agency coming off a lost, injury

442
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: riddled year. But we'll see if AJ has a big

443
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Speaker 2: market or if it's more of a one year bounce

444
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Speaker 2: back kind of deal. I think he could come back

445
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Speaker 2: with the Braves, but it would have to be more

446
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Speaker 2: in the dollar rain job. This is a prove it

447
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: bounced back deal with some incentives and not anything guaranteed

448
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: because we just don't know how he's going to recover

449
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Speaker 2: from that hip injury.

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Speaker 1: You want to feel old, Scott, You and I I

451
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Speaker 1: believe have covered AJ's entire Braves career. AJ Mintor is

452
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Speaker 1: thirty one. Wow him, I'm in Max free both. I

453
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: can't believe Max is going to be thirty one in

454
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Speaker 1: like a month. It just means we're old. It just

455
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Speaker 1: means we're even older than we think we are. But yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: that's Aj being thirty one. I looked this up to

457
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Speaker 1: prep this podcast. I'm like, he's thirty one years old,

458
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: like he was a college arm all those things. But

459
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Speaker 1: I still like AJ. I think that if the hip,

460
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Speaker 1: we just can't know what about the hip right now,

461
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Speaker 1: But that's the way you have to put it. If

462
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Speaker 1: it checks out one hundred percent, He's been one of

463
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Speaker 1: the twenty best relievers in baseball for the last six

464
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Speaker 1: years and better than that at times. He's been truly awesome,

465
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Speaker 1: and it's worth a lot of money if he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: It's just we just don't know if he's going to

467
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Speaker 1: be so it's a big TVD and I do think

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Speaker 1: that if it's a if he's going to sign for

469
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Speaker 1: the most he can get for the most of the

470
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Speaker 1: years he can get, it's probably not gonna be in

471
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Speaker 1: Atlanta if I had to guess, But if you show

472
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Speaker 1: some I want to if he actively proactively wants to

473
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Speaker 1: stay in Atlanta, there's a pathway to that. It's my

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Speaker 1: guess from me.

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Speaker 2: For sure. I think that's perfectly said. You know, if

476
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Speaker 2: you're telling me that in ten days from now we

477
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Speaker 2: get the blue square on Twitter that AJ has signed

478
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Speaker 2: a one year, three and a half million dollar deal

479
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Speaker 2: with incentives up to eight million, would totally buy it.

480
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Speaker 2: I could see it happening. But I would agree I

481
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Speaker 2: would be surprised if he gets significant money from Atlanta.

482
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Speaker 2: Some other team might want him, take a chance on him.

483
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Speaker 2: But if if it is the end of age Winter's

484
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Speaker 2: time with the Braves, a fantastic reliever really has been.

485
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Speaker 2: The whole way was durable for the most part, and

486
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Speaker 2: again was part of that legendary run in twenty twenty

487
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Speaker 2: one as part of the night shift in the bullpen

488
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Speaker 2: that was so much fun. So we'll see where ag

489
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Speaker 2: ultimately lands, but I would say it's probably fifty fifty

490
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Speaker 2: that in my opinion that if he's up for a

491
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Speaker 2: bounce back deal, he could be back in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, let us go to the position player's side,

493
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Speaker 1: and this is a lot less sexy I have to say.

494
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Speaker 1: At the end of the podcast. There are three guys

495
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Speaker 1: who ended the season on the roster who are free

496
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Speaker 1: agents as as position players. And this is in no

497
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Speaker 1: particular order, but they are Adam Duval with Maryfield and

498
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Speaker 1: gi Orchello. Adam Vall has a lot more history with

499
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Speaker 1: the Braves obviously than the other two guys, but he

500
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Speaker 1: was also the worst player of the three this year

501
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. As much as I love out a new

502
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: val Wait was pretty good. Then he got hurt and

503
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Speaker 1: played less after that. Also, I think you made a

504
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Speaker 1: note I thank of reminding me on this. We actually

505
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Speaker 1: shared in our podcast Audio if Hero. An audio listener

506
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Speaker 1: went did like twenty five minutes with Vali Territory and

507
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Speaker 1: it was pretty insightful. I think people shall listen to that.

508
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Speaker 1: You can find it in our feed. That was a

509
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Speaker 1: fun interview to listen to. We weren't there, but it

510
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Speaker 1: was fun. And then gi Orchella came out of absolutely

511
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Speaker 1: no to replace Austin Rally and did okay. But all

512
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: three guys are like not core pieces of the team,

513
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 1: and they're all three regions. So uh, I mean, how

514
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Speaker 1: do you want to frame of this? Will any of

515
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Speaker 1: these guys be back? It's more of interesting. It's almost

516
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Speaker 1: more than any of the three in particular, because I

517
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Speaker 1: think all three of them are less likely than not sorry,

518
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Speaker 1: more likely than not to go somewhere else. But well,

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Speaker 1: any of them back, is that'd be interesting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it advall it's time to retire. Man.

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Speaker 2: He he might catch on with a spring training invites somewhere.

522
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Speaker 2: I bet he can get the I bet he might

523
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Speaker 2: go get the minimum for come like the Pirates or something.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those things where like he's

525
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Speaker 2: a useful guy to have around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's hits the ball a long way sometimes, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: play every day and he's not good to to play

528
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Speaker 1: every day anymore. But the only way to get value

529
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Speaker 1: maut d ball is to play them every day, and

530
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Speaker 1: the Bridge can't do that. Well, the street was so

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Speaker 1: bad this last season, I mean was late on every

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Speaker 1: fastball in the zone. I mean, you know, Adam was

533
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Speaker 1: signed for a very specific role coming in, and all

534
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Speaker 1: of a sudden he found himself out there a lot

535
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Speaker 1: because of the injuries and Jared kell Nicks inefficiencies and

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Speaker 1: all of that.

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Speaker 2: So you know, Adam, he was.

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Speaker 1: Worse than I thought. Just the numbers. I have numbers

539
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Speaker 1: in front of me now, it was worse than I

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Speaker 1: was picturing. So Adam Deval slash line in three and

541
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Speaker 1: thirty flight appearances this year was two forty five three

542
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Speaker 1: twenty three for a five sixty nine ops e eleven

543
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Speaker 1: home runs, which is actually decent pace. It's like the

544
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Speaker 1: twenty five Honber pace if you play a full time.

545
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Speaker 1: But that's that's it.

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Speaker 2: That was it for Adam Deval. Yeah, and man that

547
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Speaker 2: I love him Devolve, but it's over. You're right, yeah,

548
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Speaker 2: I mean longtime listeners. No, you and I are have

549
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: been fans of Adams, yeah, you know in prior seasons.

550
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Speaker 2: But the offense was bad. The defense just I mean, man,

551
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Speaker 2: usually in your thirties, when the defensive decline hits, it

552
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 2: hits like a mac truck. I mean it's a quick,

553
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: steady decline. Just anecdotally, there were half dozen gaffes that

554
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Speaker 2: I can think of in the outfield. I would be

555
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Speaker 2: shocked if Adam is back next season. I think you're

556
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Speaker 2: probably right. I mean, if a if a non content

557
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: team is looking for like a fifth outfielder and Adam

558
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Speaker 2: wants to show up with a chance to win a

559
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: roster spot for like a million bucks, sure, kind of

560
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: similar to Charlie Morton. Adam family man, has kids, all

561
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Speaker 2: of that. He might just be ready to be a

562
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Speaker 2: full time dad. But hey, if this is the end

563
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Speaker 2: for Adam in Atlanta, and it probably is a man

564
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Speaker 2: who had some big swings with the Braves, and I

565
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Speaker 2: mean had a a legendary swing that maybe we don't

566
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Speaker 2: remember or talk about as much, but the Grand Slam

567
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Speaker 2: in Game five of the World Series Halloween Night. I mean,

568
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Speaker 2: obviously that game didn't progress the way we wanted to. Yeah,

569
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Speaker 2: it should, that should be more legendary than it actually is.

570
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Speaker 2: We remember it because we're sickos, but like that should

571
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Speaker 2: that should have been a never forget it for anybody

572
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: moment and it just didn't end that way. But yeah,

573
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Speaker 2: instead of the Jorge Solaier home run in Game six

574
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Speaker 2: that we've watched eight million times. It would have been

575
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Speaker 2: the Duval Grand Slam and hey, things were counting funny ways,

576
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Speaker 2: the Braves still won the series at the end, and

577
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: thank god for that. But uh yeah, if this is

578
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Speaker 2: the end for Adam, farewell, enjoy retirement or wherever he's

579
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Speaker 2: gonna do next. A really good baseball player for years.

580
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Speaker 2: But yeah, just this past season was terrible.

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Speaker 1: One more fun fact than Addam the ball. That's because

582
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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't help myself. In twenty twenty one,

583
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Speaker 1: which is the season, of course, he hit that home run,

584
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Speaker 1: Bras won the World Series, et cetera, et cetera. In

585
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Speaker 1: the same season. That year he won a Gold Glove.

586
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Speaker 2: That that happened.

587
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Speaker 1: He won a gold Glove that season, and he led

588
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Speaker 1: the league RBI. He led the league RBI that year.

589
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: Wow, huh, I didn't know that.

590
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Speaker 1: So right now I'll look at the box, look at

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Speaker 1: a baseball reference. I'm like, wall, he left legan RBI.

592
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Speaker 1: That happened?

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Speaker 2: Did yeah? Counting stat at RBI? Hey yeah, what means

594
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: you You got hits with runners on base and that

595
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: is the name of the game, something the Braves obviously

596
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: struggled with this past season. But yeah, I was. I

597
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: was surprised too when I looked. I knew Adam Duval

598
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Speaker 2: had struggled because we talked about it a lot on

599
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Speaker 2: this podcast, but just looking at the numbers on the whole,

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Speaker 2: he was genuinely one of the worst players in baseball,

601
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Speaker 2: regardless of how many innings he played, and it was

602
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Speaker 2: not a good experience this past year.

603
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other two guys you know, are much

604
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Speaker 1: more utility wit. Maryfield could play everywhere. He played second

605
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: base very adequately better than that. Actually at times for

606
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: the Braves this year, he was quite good.

607
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Speaker 2: In that role.

608
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Speaker 1: It's it's so weird because they're all intertwined with Orlando Arcia,

609
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Speaker 1: and we're we're not gonna do the Rcia thing on

610
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Speaker 1: this podcast because you have many times already it will

611
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Speaker 1: probably have it again. But if they get a different

612
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Speaker 1: shortstop and Arcia becomes the utility guy because it's under contract,

613
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Speaker 1: you only need one of those, and that kind of

614
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Speaker 1: would be the role that either Maryfield or Schellow would

615
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Speaker 1: be in in any theoretical world. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: be their start wicked play some outfield theoretict I maybe

617
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: that will give him a leg up and he's I

618
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: think he's a better player than Urshela, but Archela was

619
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Speaker 1: good in Atlanta. So like those guys are very useful

620
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: bench players then and and major League Baseball right now,

621
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Speaker 1: Maryfulle could start for a lot of teams, I will

622
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: say that, but for this Braves team, with all their

623
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Speaker 1: guys under contract, in the situation that just it's one

624
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Speaker 1: role that's available and it may not even be available.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would happily take Witt back. And he

626
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: talked on that interview on foul Territory, which you mentioned

627
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Speaker 2: is in our podcast feed now. He he spoke glowingly

628
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Speaker 2: of his time with the Braves. I mean it was

629
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: pretty clear based on an earlier interview that he was

630
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Speaker 2: hoping the Braves are going to sign him before the

631
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Speaker 2: Phillies did, and obviously it didn't work out. And the

632
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: fact is with Ozzie Alby's under contract and a healthy

633
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Speaker 2: Austin Riley, and I don't think Wit can really play

634
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Speaker 2: shortstop anymore. You know, he would truly have to take

635
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Speaker 2: a backup bench role with the possibility to play more

636
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: because injuries happen, as we all unfortunately saw very first

637
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: hand this past year. But if if Witt wants to

638
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: play more regularly, obviously it'd be tough for him to

639
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: find those reps in Atlanta. But hey, if he wants

640
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Speaker 2: to come back on like a one year kind of

641
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Speaker 2: minimum money back up infielder, throw him in the outfield.

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Speaker 2: I would take that in a heartbeat. I don't think

643
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Speaker 2: Geo Orschelle will be back. I just I mean, it's

644
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Speaker 2: basically impossible for him to get any kind of playing

645
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Speaker 2: time short of an injury to Austin Riley. And I

646
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Speaker 2: think Geo probably will. We'll be able to catch on

647
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Speaker 2: in a utility type role somewhere else. Yeah, I think

648
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Speaker 2: he actually might even be a starter on a bad

649
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: team kind of guy too, Like, he's not a great player,

650
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: but he did he did his job with more in Atlanta.

651
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: He was for a guy that was available on the

652
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: market at that time that ended up working out very well.

653
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: It's a wit so those guys did a great job

654
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: in Atlanta.

655
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Whit is better. He'll also be thirty six in January,

656
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: so he might be on the end of his career too,

657
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure he knows that. And it's you know,

658
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: co playtill he can't, because most guys do but yeah,

659
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: I could say that happening. And to your point, he

660
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: does seem to be pretty high on the organization. He's

661
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: a Southeast guy, he's from South Carolina, all those things,

662
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: So would not shock me if you got the blue

663
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: the blue square on WIT too for for a cheap contract.

664
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: But I was still just because it's a free agent,

665
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: I still probably guess it's more more likely but not

666
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: he's not back, But you're right, I think it does

667
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: make more sense to bring him back than our shell,

668
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: just because of the role they can have.

669
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, I mean if he's on the true

670
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: back nine of his career, maybe on like the seventeenth hole.

671
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: You know, Marrifield seems like a guy who wants to

672
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: be on a contender. I can't imagine him going to

673
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: the you know, Chicago White Sox and being happy losing

674
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and eleven games. Next year going to the

675
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, pick a bad team of choice and partially

676
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: playing on a bad team. I mean, he's made some

677
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: real money in his career, so if I was him,

678
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: I would be interested in a contender, even if I'm

679
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: not going to play a ton. But yeah, I think

680
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: with maybe not fifty to fifty. But I think there's

681
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: there's certainly a chance that he could be back, but

682
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: I think as we've kind of outlined, we don't see

683
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: that for her Shalla.

684
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll we'll sign off here in a second.

685
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: One more guid of notes, and he's very much in limbo.

686
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: This is probably a deeper totic for no time Ramone

687
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: Loreano is under team control. Uh, it's gonna be a

688
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: situation where the projection for arbitration is like six million

689
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: dollars for Mo Loreano. So that's not a no Brenner. Yes, Uh,

690
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: he could be worth that, but it's not like a situation.

691
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: He's the only guy that's like a real choice that

692
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: Braves have. I feel like in arbitration, like Cavin Bigio

693
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: is not going to get his number and or you know,

694
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I think you share the list. He's really the only

695
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: one that's like a decision. So, uh, that's the that's

696
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: whey of the decision is like, Okay, they they either

697
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: won six million dollars and they'll or six ish million

698
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: dollars they'll keep, they'll tender in a contract and he'll

699
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: be back in that role. And even you know, beyond that,

700
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: there's once you have that decision. It's like, Okay, is

701
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: he your left fielder? Is he in a platoon with

702
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Jared Helnic What is your plan there? That kind of

703
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: folds into our long discussion about the DH and not

704
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: field spots from previously in the winter. But he isn't

705
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: so good that you have. I mean, he wasn't really

706
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: good in Atlanta, but that was not sustainable probably, And uh,

707
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: he's not like a guy they have huge ties to beyond.

708
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: They added him this year and he played very well.

709
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know what to do with Loreano. He's

710
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: kind of in his own section of the discussion because

711
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: he is under he's technically under Tea control, but he

712
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: may not be. And then you have the trade guys

713
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: beyond that, what do you think about Loreano? Shortly?

714
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if anybody missed the episode that we

715
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: did a few weeks ago titled The Braves Have a

716
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: DH Conundrum, we talked about the dhs in the outfield

717
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: for about an hour and at the risk of turning

718
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: this into another hour long episode, the Braves have eight

719
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: million ways they can go with the outfield and DH,

720
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: which are essentially connected to each other. With how this

721
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: roster is built. I don't know what to do with

722
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: Hermo Mariano.

723
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: You know, he was great.

724
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: I mean, talk about a godsend. I mean he was

725
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: signed off the scrap heap for nothing and gave the

726
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Braves some real offense for what three months where he

727
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: was in the lineup most days and really hitting the baseball. Defensively,

728
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: he's okay, it's a pretty good athlete. He had some

729
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: notable gaffes in the outfield, but it was almost just

730
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: kind of like a case of the yips, where I

731
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: think it was more mental than anything physical. But six

732
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: million dollars is real money, and we just don't know

733
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: what they're going to do with, namely Jorge Solaire and internally.

734
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: It'd also be fascinated to know what they think of

735
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 2: Jared Kelnick, if they think there is something in that tank,

736
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: or if it was a worthwhile one year gamble that

737
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: just didn't pay off and now they view him as

738
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: more of like a fourth or fifth out outfield type.

739
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: We don't know those things. I'm I mean, it's a

740
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: fascinating decision the front office has. I could see them

741
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: bring back Loriano for six million bucks and they might

742
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: think they would have enough of a role to justify

743
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: that cost. But I also think you can easily aim

744
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: higher than him or even him and Kelnick Latune. And

745
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, you do kind of have to lock yourself in.

746
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: If you pick up his option, you're you're locked into it,

747
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: right are you. I'm sorry, If you tender him a

748
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: contract and arbitration, you're locked into it. Whereas if you

749
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: decline that option or decline to opt to pay him

750
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: an arbitration, you could always circle back in January and

751
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: sign him if you want, and then you're not necessarily

752
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: guaranteeing into anything in October or November. Yeah, it just

753
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: gives you some more flexibility.

754
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for a very quick, just piece of back record,

755
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure Brace fans that only watch the Braves would

756
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: be like, this guy's a no brainer. Obviously you keep him.

757
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: And he was really good Atlanta. He had eight thirty

758
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: two ops Like he was really good. The question is

759
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: is that at all and the underlying data was not

760
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: that encouraging. And then like the two and a half

761
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: years basically before that, he was an ops in like

762
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: the mid six hundreds, Like he was a replacement level

763
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: player for about two and a half years before that,

764
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: so which one of those is real or closer to

765
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: reel is the question Promis has to answer. If it

766
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: was just like if it was cheap, yeah you retain

767
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: him and whatever else. But it's not that cheap, and

768
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: so that's it's a position to have to make. I

769
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: think he's more likely to be back than a lot

770
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: of these guys are because they have the easy lever

771
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: to pull if they want to keep him, just like, hey,

772
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: tender a contract arbitration and here we go. Ramone, you're

773
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: really good this year, and he was. But I just

774
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: candidly don't know. And there's been I've been trying to

775
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: find there's been no reporting on this at all, like

776
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: there's been Alex wasn't asked about it and the one

777
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: presser he gave. I've been trying to find out what

778
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: he thinks about Roman Loreano, and I don't know the answer.

779
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: So we'll see.

780
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you pulled his numbers about the past

781
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: couple of seasons, because you're right. If you just saw

782
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: what Ramon did the last two and a half unch

783
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 2: with the Braves, it would be more of a clear

784
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: cut decision. But this was a player who was flat

785
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: out released by Cleveland. You know, has not been very

786
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: good the last few years. Once upon a time he

787
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: was quite good with the Oakland A's and then got

788
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: popped for peds and really struggled after that. You know,

789
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, this is an interesting decision. If

790
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: the Braves opted to bring Loriano back, I wouldn't be

791
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: shocked by any means. But there's also some underlying numbers

792
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: which you kind of hinted at. He carried a three

793
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: eighty five batting average on balls and play that's likely

794
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: to come back down. But at the same time he

795
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: does he hits the baseball hard, and he does a

796
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: lot of things in the batter's box that you like.

797
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: So this one for me really does kind of feel

798
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: maybe more fifty to fifty ish compared to like an

799
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: Urshella or Duval, where it's like a virtual lock that

800
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: they are not back.

801
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were on the say page there, and look,

802
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: we intentionally did not talk about trade candidates. Look, we

803
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: talked about all the guys who either are free agents

804
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: or could be one. In Loreano, everybody else is pretty

805
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: obviously going to be all on the team unless they

806
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: are traded. And we spent a big portion of that

807
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: DH conversation talking about or Hilaire, I think that we

808
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: probably agree, correct me, he is probably the most likely

809
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: person to be traded on the roster if they make

810
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: a trade. Does that sound right to you?

811
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah so, because yeah, I mean he's he is paid

812
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: like a good DH, and that's what Joge Hilaire is. Yes,

813
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: but the Braves also have Marcelo Zuna, who is yeah,

814
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: very good, similarly paid d ah.

815
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: Listen back for more on theisode.

816
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we genuinely could turn this in,

817
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: like you want to talk another hour on the outfield brat.

818
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean we I'm sure we probably could, but yeah,

819
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: we intentionally want to talk about the guys who are

820
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: not just on the team, like they're gonna be free

821
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: agents or there may be a free agent in Loreano's

822
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: case that could come back. And of course there's this

823
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: whole trade side as well. We talked about a lot

824
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: of different guys there are, you know, leavers can always

825
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: be tree relievers are easy to trade in some respects.

826
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: If they're good. Could they pull a more shocking move

827
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: with one of the core guys. It could. I don't

828
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen, but they could they could do

829
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: it all in well, you know, there's all kinds of

830
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: something that they could do here. But the guys we

831
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: highlighted on this episode are the guys who are available

832
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: to Leaf, who might be gone. It's easy for them

833
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: to be gone. There's a big range there. Max Fried

834
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: is a star, a legitimate star player, and then you

835
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: go all the way down to Orchella and Duvall and

836
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: these guys are just you know, they're pure role players

837
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: at this point in time. So it's wide range. But

838
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: we've run the game at Scott at forty minutes.

839
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, we're not breaking any news here,

840
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: but this is a very important offseason that's on the horizon.

841
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: Two very large holes in the rotation. The bullpen. Maybe

842
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: they have a question or two, but the bullpen seems

843
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 2: like it's in pretty decent shape. And then of course

844
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: the lineup. What do they do with the outfield? Did

845
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: they clear up the d H log jam? And can

846
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: they improve shortstop? And god, let's hope that the new

847
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: head coach can get Sean Murphy back on track. Among

848
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: the catchers. You know, there are some questions this offseason,

849
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: to be sure, but I think on the more immediate side.

850
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: You know, are the Braves able to work out a

851
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: deal with one of these players who are penning free agents?

852
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: Will they be seriously involved with Max Freed and his

853
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: negotiations is a massive question. And then with Charlie Morton,

854
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: is he going to retire or did the Braves try

855
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: to bring him back again? These are all things that

856
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: we might get clarity on here pretty soon, especially with

857
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: the World Series potentially being over here in a couple

858
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: of days.

859
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll probably have some talk about that. Not

860
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna be covered the once series in depth, but more

861
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Speaker 1: baseball to come. They'll be busy all winner. The Braves,

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Speaker 1: even as we've said before, can sign their own guys

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Speaker 1: now or talk to their own guys now that are

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Speaker 1: free agents that they wanted to So we'll get into

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Speaker 1: all of that in the coming days. Scott, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you're back from your East Coast travels. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being here. Tell people that might not know are our

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Speaker 1: work and your work just yet where they can find

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Speaker 1: you on social media for more of your grand music's

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Speaker 1: on Arizona football and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, we don't need to go down that rabbit hole. Brad.

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Speaker 1: The Colts takes what you got going over there, that's

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Speaker 1: going on in a bad football year.

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Speaker 2: I my sports. People who don't know my sports allegiances

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00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: are all over the place because of family ties and

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Speaker 2: moving around a bunch as a kid. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: been a rough football year for me. But I do

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Speaker 2: appreciate you doing this show late into Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: Good to be back in our normal time slots with you.

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Speaker 2: I will say one quick note to go out on

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Speaker 2: the podcast. And I tweeted this like a week ago,

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Speaker 2: and people were coming in hot and heavy. But for

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Speaker 2: those who don't know, I live on the West Coast

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Speaker 2: and for the other half of my life I lived

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Speaker 2: in the Central time Zone. After spending one week on

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Speaker 2: the East Coast, I cannot tell you how miserable of

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Speaker 2: a sports viewing experience is for television purposes. I was

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Speaker 2: beside myself. I hated that I was falling asleep in

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Speaker 2: like the fifth inning of every playoff game last week. Man.

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Speaker 2: I know, people who have probably never lived anywhere about

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Speaker 2: the East Coast were coming for me. But the West

893
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Speaker 2: Coast is superior in every way shape imaginable for sports viewing.

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Speaker 2: And I was struggling Man, we were leaving dinner at

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Speaker 2: seven forty five on Thursday night and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a good football game on tonight Rams Vikings.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what the score is. I whip out my

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Speaker 3: phone app and the game wasn't kicking off for thirty

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Speaker 3: more minutes. Brad, I was losing my mind at the time.

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Speaker 2: Change. Anyway, that is my very random tangent for the pod.

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Speaker 2: If anybody is still listening, we appreciate you. But content, Yeah,

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00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: Central Mountain, I think Mountain is probably superior. But then yeah,

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Speaker 2: just I felt like such an old man, but I

904
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Speaker 2: was falling asleep, Like I fell asleep been like the

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Speaker 2: fifth ending of the World Series where Freddie hit the

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Speaker 2: walk off Grand Slam and caught the highlights the next morning,

907
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Speaker 2: and was like, man, that that was kind of a

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Speaker 2: bummer to you know, miss miss good sports regardless of

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Speaker 2: the situations. Yeah, no, there's there's this whole debate and

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Speaker 2: we won't have it now. But like, if you work

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Speaker 2: in sports, like if that's your whole job, Like if

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Speaker 2: you're like I think Mountain Central one of those is

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Speaker 2: probably like the way to go for you. Obviously, I've

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Speaker 2: lived in the East Coast my entire life other than

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Speaker 2: being born in California, very briefly. I don't sleep very much,

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Speaker 2: so I can manage it. But it's a lot of

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Speaker 2: late nights men, like if you try to cover a

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Speaker 2: team that plays on the East Coast, like I'll. In fact,

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Speaker 2: before this podcket I did, I did a hawk show

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00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: right before we started recording, and I hurried to get

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Speaker 2: it done. It was a road game.

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Speaker 1: I was at home instead of being at the arena,

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Speaker 1: and I still I'm not done doing it right now

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Speaker 1: as we're talking, I got more to do when we

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Speaker 1: when we signed off and it's midnight. He's it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not. You're just up till one in the morning

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Speaker 1: every every time. So it's it's crazy, easiest in the world.

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Speaker 2: And I know it sounds weird that like football starts

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Speaker 2: college starts at nine am on Saturdays and NFL starts

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Speaker 2: at ten am on Sundays. I know it sounds weird,

931
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Speaker 2: but it's so awesome. And then like prime time, like

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Speaker 2: Monday night football's at five o'clock or six o'clock. It

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Speaker 2: really is superior viewing for at least for your sleep schedule.

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Speaker 2: But if you are a night owl or a crazy

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Speaker 2: madman like you are, Brad. Maybe it's not as uh

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Speaker 2: as bad, but I had to. I wanted to make

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Speaker 2: a general comment on my East Coast TV viewing because

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Speaker 2: it was really throwing me off for a loop.

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Speaker 1: What a tough life you lead, Scott Coleman, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, my friend, Thanks for your flexibility.

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Speaker 1: We've almost gone into past midnight territory and you're back

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Speaker 1: on the West Coast, so I appreciate you being here

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Speaker 1: as everybody else. Please follow us both if you'd like

944
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Speaker 1: to on Twitter, slash x Scott. Is that scot Holm

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Speaker 1: fifty five? I am at BT Roland the show. More

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Speaker 1: importantly is that Hammer Territory on Twitter, slash x, Facebook

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Speaker 1: and Instagram. One day, I keep promising this one day

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Speaker 1: will be on TikTok. I don't know what one that

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Speaker 1: is going to be. It might just be Sean on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, love that, or we gotta get

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Speaker 2: an intern, Brad like a pod intern.

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Speaker 1: Just talk Sean and to be a TikTok guy on

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Speaker 1: the podcast would be funny just for his general esthetic. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Please subscribe to the podcast everyone. I appreciate everyone listen.

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Speaker 1: If you're still here by now, God bless you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, God bless you. That's sincesrely, the real heroes of

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Speaker 2: the real listener heroes, the ones still ten us in here.

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Speaker 1: That is correct, But subscribe, rate, review, like the podcast

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, Tell your friends about the show. We'll have

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Speaker 1: more this week and we'll see you all next time.