WEBVTT - Izell Reese talks playing with Cowboys DB legends, Bringing flag football to 2028 Olympics and college sports 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:07.360 What's up, everybody. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.600 I'm Peanut to Himan, and this is the NFL Player's 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.040 Second Acts podcast with me, as always my chursity co host. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:15.880 This Roman Harbor. What's up baby? 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:16.280 What's up? 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.560 Dog? I like that shirt? Thank you. I appreciate it. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.840 Man, just learning that you can't count because you went 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.200 from one, two to ten and it's easily just to 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.479 say three and then start, but you don't like to 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:27.760 do anything that way. So let's just jump right to 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.040 I guess uh yeah. He is an Alabama guy. He's 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:37.400 from Alabama. Introduce the introduce you're stepping on my toes. 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.080 I don't even have my nose in front of me. Okay, 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:41.480 all right, I'm gonna make you do this one. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:41.880 All right. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:47.040 He's a defensive back that played for the Cowboys, Broncos, Bills. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.960 He is in the University of Alabama or u A B. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.040 All right, University of Alabama, Birmingham's Hall of Fame, and 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.800 he's now CEO of RCX Sports, which is a leader 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.520 in you sports in all different sports. Welcome to the 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.039 podcast Isael Reese and fellas. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.000 Thank you, thank you, thank you. I like that shirt too, man, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:09.600 I might have to. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.400 I get you off my back when I'm done. I'm 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.760 that type of guy. You are that kind of guy 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.080 I am. All right, So isaill kind of kind of 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.320 go through your path, your journey. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.839 You walk on at UA B, you earn. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.000 A scholarship, and then you end up playing seven eight 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:27.679 years in the league. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.160 Yeah yeah, man. It was called it the Cinderella story 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:31.679 if you will. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.600 Man. Yeah, going to U A B. People didn't even 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:34.319 know what had a program. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.640 I was going to say, because this was this was 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:37.960 because you're in the nineties. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.160 Man, Yeah, yeah, you ain't be in the nineties. Was 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.160 very very much so startup. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.240 Yeah, I blame in the nineties ninety nine. Yeah, I mean, 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.720 but they were around, but they still were early days, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.200 that's right, That's right. Yeah, they were recruiting me in 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.280 two thousand and one. Why don't you It was well, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.560 you know what happened Alabama for me, and like they 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.360 didn't have like a makeshift gym, like it was already done. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.360 It was like he knows, Yeah, yeah it was they 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.280 were still building. You didn't want to be a part 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.239 of that, no. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.920 Yeah it see see then you could have joined that 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.799 history train. Yeah, you know. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.760 It's fine. I'm I'm in I made another Hall. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:21.600 Of Fame, right but uh but no, man, walking on 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.200 there was you know, it was a great experience, you know, 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.920 and making a trail, you know, trying to open up 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.400 some more doors and playing in college and not getting 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.560 that opportunity, especially being from a state like Alabama. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.120 You know, I was thinking about two schools, and so when. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.640 UAB called me, it was just like, hey, would you 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.800 be interested in coming here? And then I was about 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.360 to go into the military. Oh, I couldn't afford to play, 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.840 couldn't afford to go to college, and so I was like, 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.080 you know, I want to go to college. So I 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.080 was going to take the military route, and uh, days away, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:54.919 the coach from U A B. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:56.919 Called their quarterback had. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.000 Just transferred from Southern miss His dad was my high 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.280 school coach, and he's like, I got this guy out here. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.760 I don't know how he's still here. You should just 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.079 call him. So they called me up. It was like, hey, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:07.800 we love to have you. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:08.000 Now. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.480 We don't have no scholarships for you, but I heard 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:11.000 a lot about you. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:12.760 If you want to give it a shot, and you know, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.160 I said, man, I don't want to leave myself with 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.280 a what if let me just try and see where 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.160 it goes. And so that was kind of how it 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.240 all started for me, man, and then I just had 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.200 a phenomenal career. Started as a freshman. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.919 You walked on and started. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.960 Walked on, started all four years and recruited. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.519 Yeah yeah, yeah man. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.680 So it was, uh, it was a good journey man, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.360 and then it got drafted by the Cowboys. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.920 Nobody ever been drafted from U A. B. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.840 You the first first pick me, and then another dB 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.480 Dana and Sidney he went to uh, he went to 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.680 the Titans. So me and I both came out ninety eight, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.120 so we both came out the same year. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:48.200 That's so good. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.360 And so I got to know this too now because 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.520 so when you get there and you walk on, because 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.640 you probably have zero expectations where you're a little nervous 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:57.600 and you're like. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.160 I'm just happy to be here. Yeah, then that what 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.920 point do you get out there like, man, I'm better 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.280 than a lot of these dudes out here. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:04.640 Yeah. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.400 Well I honestly, man, I went in with that mentality 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.760 because I didn't feel like I should have been a 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.200 walk on. You know, I just kind of got caught 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.880 up in that whole journey of recruiting and this and 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.520 that and not really knowing where it was gonna go. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.160 But I knew I could play, and so I kind 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.080 of went in more with a chip on my shoulder 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.200 of wanting to prove myself versus being nervous. 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.040 And so I was, I was. I was out for it, man. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.840 I was like, look, I got nothing to lose and 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.520 so and everything the game, because if I can show 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.240 myself then hopefully, you know, they can give me some 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.280 funding so I can afford this, you know, so I 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.200 can get my education. So and I just I just 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.000 left it all on the line, man. And it just 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.640 as soon as I got out there, you know, it 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.680 was it was pretty evident I knew I could play. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:52.000 What would you say one of your best characteristic characteristics 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.120 were you know, that that hot that guided you along. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.640 That journey man, just you know, being a defensive player. Yeah, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.440 I think at aggressing into that competitiveness of the game 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.240 and wanting to just compete, man, wanting to prove yourself. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.599 I being a dB. You know, you get out, you 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.520 get out on the island, you out there free safing 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:13.919 you that last line of this fence. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:14.160 Man. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.960 I just I've always had that kind of mentality, and 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.080 so I would say just the competitiveness of just want 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.520 to compete, you know, and just you know, wanting to 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.440 prove yourself. So for me, I think that was that 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:26.479 was the biggest thing for me. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:26.719 Man. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.240 It just it showed on the field and everything. I've 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.320 been able to put myself on and off the field too. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.080 Man. I kind of. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.520 Still take those characteristics with me in terms of business 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.080 life and how I go about things too. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.160 So well have. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.440 So No, you you clearly have shown the mentality and 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.520 that what you're doing, right. You told us about this, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.719 the sense of who you are, this mindset of going 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.479 to you a b walk on getting drafted that year, 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.440 to the Cowboys first, right, yeah, right, go to the 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.000 Cowboys first? And how do you how do you take 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:02.680 that in? You're a small school guy that a lot 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.160 of people have not even heard of. They've heard of 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.800 schools in Alabama, but it probably wasn't yours. Yeah, and 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.440 then how do you stick? So what is that mentality? 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.440 Because now you're like, dude, I'm right back at it. Yeah, 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.000 I gotta get right back into the mud. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.400 I don't know how now, If anything, that's what the 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.680 nervousness was Okay, you get draft, you go to the league. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.400 I'm going to the Cowboys as a dB. You got 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:27.280 Darren Woodson, Kevin Smith, Dion Sanders, George t You know, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.240 they don't want my guys, man, But to walk into that, 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.880 I'm like, I just want to make this team, you know, like, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.520 and that was a six round draft pick, and so 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.640 at that point, you know, you're already just going like, look, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.280 I don't have nothing to lose. I'm just gonna leave 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.839 it out. But I got some great guys in front 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.680 of me to learn from from. And uh, you know, fortunate, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.880 you know, to have that kind of secondary in front 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.760 of me playing with to learn from. And man, they 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.440 treated me like a little brother. So I mean, so 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.640 just to take that in as a dB, man, I 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.200 couldn't have picked a better secondary to be a part 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:02.440 of coming out. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.239 Then the uab's education piece, I think people understand how hard. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:06.920 Of the school it is. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:11.040 It is academically, academically, it's top notes. It's the best 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.120 school in the state, especially as far as like the medicals, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.200 the medical school. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.280 The hospital, that whole thing. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.000 Yeah, yeah, all that. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.920 You take the educational piece from ua B, how do 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.800 you think that that helped you apply yourself as far 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.120 as like in the NFL as well, Like, could you 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.760 just feel more confident that I could confidently learn and 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.200 take on anything that this thing has. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.600 Absolutely, I mean that whole thing of being a student 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.600 athlete and going to a program like UAB. I mean 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.280 I was an honest student in high school, so so 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.280 going into colleging and getting in and getting that opportunity 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.200 to do that and also be a student athlete at 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.840 a collegiate level, it just it's set such a good 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.760 foundation for me. And then coming into the league and 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.880 they handing you a playbook this big yeah, you know, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.680 and you're trying to learn it and so forth. So 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.520 just being a student of the game as well. I 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:05.120 prided myself on that. I was my main position. I 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.040 played virtually every position in the league in the secondary, 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:10.200 but I was a free safety. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:11.360 I mean that was my position. 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.120 So being that kind of quarterback, if you will, in 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.760 the secondary and learning the game, I was able. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:16.800 To do that. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.640 I had a very good dB coach as well to 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.400 kind of teach me the game, John Neal, coach of 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:23.400 Oregon Fever too. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.440 He was my dB coach man. So just I prided 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:27.360 myself on just. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.960 Knowing the game, not only knowing what DB's were doing, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.600 but what are the linebackers doing, what are the front 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.760 line doing, and just you know, just being a student 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.440 of the game as well, so. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.880 Being a being a six round draft pick and trying 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.960 to make that team with what you just mentioned are 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.720 the Deando Darren Woodson's Did. 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.319 You have to play special teams? Oh yeah, oh yeah, 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:48.720 absolutely absolutely. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.480 When when you first go out, that's the first thing 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.800 they say, Hey, you want to make this team. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.800 Make a name for yourself on special. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.320 Teams, just like that, no more, man, Yeah, they really 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:58.200 don't make guys. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.120 They don't well. And then in Dallas, I mean. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.560 Have respect for guys that don't play special teams. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.080 Yeah, this guy right. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.880 Here never played a special team in the NFL a 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:07.640 day in his life. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.960 Yeah, so he don't know. So Avazono, people know that 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.080 they had the long hair recorded. I mean special teams, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.400 coach Man, we had the number one special teams across 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.160 the board. So you didn't have a choice. In Dallas, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.520 then you didn't have a choice because you had you 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.000 had Darren Woodson on a punt team Pro Bowl on 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.840 the punt team. So so you know you come into that. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.120 That's just that's just the way Dallas culture was. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.120 I love it. I love that culture. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.200 Yeah, yes, I love that. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:39.280 I love that culture. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:42.160 Kick me. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.760 I'm sorry, you're not sorry. I'm sorry, you're right, So 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:48.520 don't even. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:49.000 I don't know. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.960 Sorry, he totally missed out. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.439 Being on a kickoff team, the real kickoff team. Back 0:09:58.480 --> 0:09:58.880 in the day. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.360 I did some kickoff coverage. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.320 Okay, well you like the safety man in the back, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.440 they don't count. Yeah, if you if you ain't like 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.680 the two to the five, yes, you know, and I 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:12.320 was the five. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.960 So we're coming right down the middle. Wedge bust, wedge buster. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.840 Well, when you're fast five, you're actually. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.600 Exactly you're getting it before the Yeah, you gotta beat 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:23.439 it because you get it. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:24.520 You cam that got me. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.440 Yeah, So just take it back to your rookie man, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:28.400 I'd be your rookieer. 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:30.040 What was we all have that? 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:30.240 Like? 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.240 Dang, this is the league? 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.679 Yeah, what was your welcome to the NFL moment? 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.720 Man? It was it practice. I'm welcome to the NFL moment. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:43.040 So again, I played at Dallas, so uh, I'm laughing 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.320 because Larry Allen is in it. So my my welcome 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.920 to the NFL. Is the La moment at practice. And 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.880 so I'm playing safety at the time, and you know, 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.960 you got to come down for run support. You know, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.440 they kind of run. LA is pulling on the play 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.440 and I gotta you know, I gotta turn the run inside. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.400 Right. So I'm getting this. I mean when I say. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.760 Low, I mean my elbow on the ground low and 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.960 hic come La coming around the corner, man and he 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.320 just like a Ronald, just plows me up. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:09.600 Man. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.600 And I go skirting back like twenty thirty yards. And 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.480 so I'm sitting on the ground laughing, everybody laughing. But 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.320 that was my La come pick me up because La 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:19.040 was my homeboy. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:19.800 Rest in peace. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.760 He was a good dude, man, and another guy that 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.840 you know, kind of took me in as a little brother. 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.360 But that was my That was my welcome, welcome to 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.440 the league moment. It was their practice. Yeah, but that 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.719 was funny, man. That was That was a moment man. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.319 But again, Larry was a good dude too. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.560 So we always like to talk about numbers, you know, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.480 or football players like we like numbers. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:44.600 I do, all right. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.240 I wore forty one, all right. I got that number 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.000 in college because it was my dad. I first of all, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:52.560 they gave it to me. Then I found out was 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.520 my dad's number, and I was like, okay, I'll keep it. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:56.840 But I enjoyed forty one. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.720 Why because the four is big, but the is slimming, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:06.040 and so it fits my body type. Slimming made it work. Yeah, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.120 forty three though for you for Tray, Yeah, used to 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.600 making it sound cooler than what I think. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.559 For Tray, it does feel better and naturally already feel to. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:21.280 It already, Yeah, Tray, I like it. Yeah, Okay, you're 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.160 already selling me on this because because the four is 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.920 big and the three is another big number. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.440 Big numbers, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, well, we 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.440 got a similar story. Okay, they gave it to me, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.840 and being a walk on, I don't get to pick 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.560 a number. Here you go, here, you go, walk on, 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.960 And so they handed me to it. Man, I wore 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:42.520 forty four, and uh. 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:49.560 Yeah that's so's I's heavy like a full back. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.720 I played linebacker in high school. I could hit. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.360 I could hit and uh me and Kevin Jackson you 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.000 know that now. I do know Kevin Jackson, Kevil, Alabama 0:12:59.040 --> 0:12:59.520 for a long time. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.880 Kenya from Dothan we played together. He and I were 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:03.680 the linebackers. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.040 I didn't know you played with keV. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.079 Yep, yeah, yep, yep. He's back in Dothan coaching high 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.559 school coaching. So yeah, we were the two linebackers together. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.240 Kevin was a little bit before me and so we 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.400 were just two small linebackers that could just hit, you know, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.679 basically DB's trying to play linebacker. And I can't remember 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.560 Kevin was seven. I think he always wore seven. But uh, yeah, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:27.440 I wore forty four. 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.280 Man. I think that was another number that was handed 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:30.240 to me as a freshman. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.280 So you kept it through college. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.680 I know I kept I had forty four, but when 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.280 I got to college and asked for forty four that 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.080 I was like, no, no, it's just taken. We're gonna 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.640 give you forty three, closest thing next to it. And 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:47.040 my dad never told me similar story. I got forty three. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.400 He didn't actually tell me this until I got draft. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.320 I don't know why I waited so long. My dad 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.959 told me I war forty three in high school, so 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.520 I didn't know that either. Man, So I had just 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.880 made a name for myself with that number. Man got 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.000 used to it. They used called me for a trade, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.880 and so when I got to Dallas, they had it 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.800 for him. I already had handed it to me, so 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.320 I was like, yeah, and I kept it. Keep it 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:09.480 through a league. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.360 History is way better than yours. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.920 Well, it sounds better when he calls it for That's. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:14.360 What I'm saying. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.520 It sounds way better, way better than for you. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.320 Just say forty one. It's real slimming. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:19.840 That's all. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:20.960 That's the only thing you got. 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.920 The one is slimming, the four is big, the one 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:24.400 is slimming. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:24.720 It's ok. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.480 It's okay, Yeah, it's okay. I accepted. Yeah. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.560 So you played both corner and safety. Yeah, I did play. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.000 I played both. I'm a corner safety. Yeah, which one 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:34.600 was harder to. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.760 Play corner for me? So, you know, I natural free 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.120 safety that was my position. Could play some strong you know, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.480 you always got to be an interchange with the safety position. 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.320 But getting out on that island was it was different. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.920 And then not doing until you got into the league. Yeah, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:56.240 so different animal, But again being trying to be a 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.320 student of the game and learning from prim them and 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.880 those guys. It definitely kind of that's what got me 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.560 into playing corner because I mean, I had such good 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.400 guys playing in front of me, and you're always trying 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.560 to learn as much as the game as you can. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.560 But man, just watching watching Prime, watching Kevin Smich, watching 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.200 those guys play the position and constantly coaching on the field. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.440 I think that had more to do with me going 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.320 into the corner position a little bit as well too, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.280 So because I could always we were unique too because 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.720 I could. I could cover the slot yep. And so 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.240 at one point we played a forty two defense the 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.160 whole season, and so here it is. We had five 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.640 DB's and that was our natural defense. Mike Zimmer was 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.400 our dB defensive defensive coordinator at the time, and so 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.960 I would come in and so me and t were 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.840 the safest, and Woody was so big Darren Woodson, he 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.480 could come down and play week linebackers. So we played 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.520 that as our standard package for a whole year one 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:48.800 year when I was in Dallas. 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.480 So and that was man. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:51.920 We were able to do a lot with Dian you 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.320 just left him on the island and I always have 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.120 to come over in motion with slot man. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:57.840 It allowed us to do a lot of different things 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.840 with a pretty solid secondary. 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:05.120 Then, yeah, you ain't ever play no no special teams. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.200 So you were in Dallas with Langham too, I'm not Laygham. Sorry, T. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.360 I apologize yeoh with T. Yeah, you weren't there when 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.560 the whole t O fight thing. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:16.960 I was on the field when it happened. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.160 This is exactly what I was anticipating. Let's talk about that. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:26.000 So the first time it happens, Teo gets a touchdown. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:27.840 First of all, I'm a forty nine Ers fan, so 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.080 I'm elated. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:30.880 Okay, I'm big. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:31.280 T O fan. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.800 He gets an end zone, does his thing. Then the 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:39.080 Emmett comes in, goes to does his thing, takes his 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.200 helmet off, adds a little bit more juice to it, yep, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:47.960 before the Emmitt rule. Yeah okay, and then Too scores again, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.240 said you know what, I'm gonna one up. And I've 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.240 talked to Tig about this since. Then te runs down 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.880 H's too on the star Yeah, and all hell breaks loose. Okay, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.240 So what are you thinking? How are you going to 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.879 respond to something on the sidelines go off? Where like, bro, 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.600 if this happens again, We're gonna do something. Some of 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.080 those things, it's. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.480 Oh, it's already brewing. I mean, that's one of those 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.399 match ups, you already just dislike each other. Just it 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.080